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<v Speaker 1>But welcome to Jewish History Uncensored with Mark Shapiro. This

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<v Speaker 1>is season sixteen, episode thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's as always a few comments. I listened in

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<v Speaker 2>the car when I check my kids, not only my

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<v Speaker 2>son to school. I only have one left in the house,

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<v Speaker 2>so I always listened to the last class, and I

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<v Speaker 2>pick up things that I didn't grasp or I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>understand when I was when we were online. It's hard,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with these comments on a regulars to respond.

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<v Speaker 2>But I heard from a Mel and also someone else

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<v Speaker 2>who commented about we spoke uh last class about the

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<v Speaker 2>manoa and uh lighting you know the double one. And

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<v Speaker 2>Mel said that Rebbi he was the rabbi official quoted

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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Remone as saying that when you like the oil lamp,

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<v Speaker 2>you can either light the What you do with an

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<v Speaker 2>oil lamp is uh you have like a lighter or

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<v Speaker 2>matt a lighter or a a candle, and that's the shamus.

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<v Speaker 2>But you don't that doesn't you don't use that after

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<v Speaker 2>that you just use it delighted and you have another

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<v Speaker 2>shamis that like we spoke about the which would be

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<v Speaker 2>so you don't get benefit from the light uh And

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<v Speaker 2>that he said that the rebbi remote said you can

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<v Speaker 2>light either one first, which I don't understand at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It would seem to me that when you make the

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<v Speaker 2>braha you should immediately only light the actual candle for

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<v Speaker 2>the minora, and then afterwards you light the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>If I misunderstood you, well that's what you said, mel

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<v Speaker 2>But if if it wasn't clear, if I miss them

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<v Speaker 2>stood you, let us know. Now there's a new thing today.

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<v Speaker 2>For some reason, lighting candles has become the biggest deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It began. I think in the Hasidic world every rebby

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<v Speaker 2>who lights candles, as if for some of them looks

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<v Speaker 2>like it's the ela with all the kavanas and everything

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<v Speaker 2>and all the videos. And now it's not just with them,

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<v Speaker 2>it's with the fardim also. But take a look at

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<v Speaker 2>the videos and tell me if you see any of

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<v Speaker 2>them where they like the they like the shamas, which

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<v Speaker 2>really isn't a shamas, but let's call it the shamas

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<v Speaker 2>at Shamash, and then like the candle. I'll just show

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<v Speaker 2>you one because we're by Labe sent It and we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a chuva of revmazus, so let

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<v Speaker 2>me just show you Revazoo's lighting it and you'll see

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I'm talking about. Which one is lit first?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me pull it up here, got lots of good

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to show you today. Here you go. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>even with the SPARGI look how they come close and

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<v Speaker 2>they watch you get the sound on. So there you

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<v Speaker 2>see it. And I don't understand how it could be

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<v Speaker 2>anything else because you're making the broca that that Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's not really that's not part of the midst

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<v Speaker 2>of at all. That's just like extra. So how could

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<v Speaker 2>you like that? First? That has to be with at

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<v Speaker 2>least we'll see a new studdy that has to be

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<v Speaker 2>with separately. Oh I quickly, I go through some things. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I get many emails, many of you email me if

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the community, our little community here as

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, if i'd interesting, I'll share it, and some

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<v Speaker 2>already for weeks I have it. I promise I got one.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of you're gonna be very upset, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to say it. The anti Zionist email I got, uh yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll you'll get it next week. But uh so, I

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<v Speaker 2>I'll I just I just want to share a few

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<v Speaker 2>more things with you. Oh I was looking through. But

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<v Speaker 2>I promise uh that I'll get to then the anti

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<v Speaker 2>Zionist email next week. And some of you will be

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<v Speaker 2>very angry with me, but uh forgiving him a platform.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's he raises an interesting point, and I think, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's important that needs to respond to it based upon

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<v Speaker 2>something I said. I I told you we spoke a

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<v Speaker 2>good deal about the word olam. Now you can impress

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<v Speaker 2>people by saying that means eternity, and in Rabbinic literature

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<v Speaker 2>it means the world. Incidentally, Shama Juda Friedman has about

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<v Speaker 2>three different articles dealing with the development of the word olam.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't know Shama Friedman is he's prostl Tolman

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<v Speaker 2>mohock of Lieberman, a great, great Talmudic scholar. I even

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<v Speaker 2>have a friend in Lakewood, a huge TOI doesn't yell me.

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<v Speaker 2>When he went to Israel. One of the people he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to meet was Shama Friedman. Shama Freeman. Almost every

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<v Speaker 2>one of his articles is a Hebrew but he's American.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah.

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<v Speaker 2>But so you can read it. But I also saw.

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<v Speaker 2>I just was looking for something else that I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to show you soon. And lo and behold, I came

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<v Speaker 2>across we saw how claim Kaniewski and Mazus and the

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<v Speaker 2>villain go and all say that adonolam it means not

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<v Speaker 2>like I thought, eternal world, not like the RCA sitter has,

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<v Speaker 2>but it means master of the world, not an eternal master,

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to a master of the world loon. And Behold, however,

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<v Speaker 2>if you google Ben snel Lamote, you'll come up with

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<v Speaker 2>something from the Academy of the Hebrew Language, and they

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<v Speaker 2>agree with me Burrushem that uh olam. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>whole piece here. How Olam Sometimes even in rabbinic literature

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<v Speaker 2>means eternity. For example, the expression lojayu de varimo alam

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<v Speaker 2>that means that this never happened. It's talking about time.

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<v Speaker 2>And they also give adono ms. So that's nice. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>just quickly, I uh, someone was smart caught it fast.

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<v Speaker 2>When I spoke about Ramosha Feinstein and the Israeli fig

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<v Speaker 2>from this book of Rabbi Ari Schwatz, by mistake, instead

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<v Speaker 2>of saying Paige, page thirty five, I said on nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five. And of course Ramosha was not around in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty five in America. Okay, A couple more things

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<v Speaker 2>I was as I'm listening to the talk today from

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<v Speaker 2>last week. Remember I spoke about the the the mel

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned you know the hey at the end, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the coherdative. That's one I couldn't remember, like

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<v Speaker 2>for example, eshmrah, I will indeed do it. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>remember the other word. The other one's called the jusseph.

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<v Speaker 2>I remembered it as I'm driving in the car. What

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<v Speaker 2>does the jussev means? So, for example, like the word

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<v Speaker 2>yichtov yechtov could mean or yeshmor y yechtov, he will

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<v Speaker 2>write or let him write. You often haven't Tannah. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks like the imperfect, but it's actually the jus of

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<v Speaker 2>Let him one more thing or two more things from

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<v Speaker 2>last week, and I'll get to something else again. One

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<v Speaker 2>of you was listening very carefully. At least you emailed me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking about I gave the whole story about

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<v Speaker 2>Rebbie cards and everything, and I and I and I

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<v Speaker 2>showed you we saw this book by William Grossman. They

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<v Speaker 2>did the interesting things of to hill him and I

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<v Speaker 2>read you from over here, I said, Smuno Spagdoli astral

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<v Speaker 2>Rashi Rambam et cetera. And someone emailed me. I think

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he was just listening in the car or reading

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<v Speaker 2>Go Back, or maybe he was watching it live, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, and said that that's not Rebbie cards, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just pictures. And he's right. I wasn't careful that this

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<v Speaker 2>is talking about what I read. You was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>pictures and pictures of godoin Go Back. We even have

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<v Speaker 2>a safer a commentary in the sho from a few

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years ago which has pictures of the Rambam and Rashi.

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<v Speaker 2>What I meant to read you was the one below it,

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<v Speaker 2>Miss clack Shell thirty cartis si. Everyone has a different

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<v Speaker 2>goldobistrol from Mosher Abenu. I got to see the picture

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<v Speaker 2>of Mosherbenu until the Godolia cronyme with the names of

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<v Speaker 2>their books, their pictures, and also on the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>the agrafiaban Ghli, their short biography, their statistics on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side. So thank you for catching me. Okay uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Actually we only have two more things. One of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Rabaili writes to me that Sofa mentions that in all matters,

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<v Speaker 2>like we saw a Donolam, you should follow Dick Dook

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't care what the python said. And really it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a shoptai sofur. If you look in the

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<v Speaker 2>Kuzari in book two, number seventy eight, the Kuzari gets

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<v Speaker 2>very upset about these piton name who ignore mil el milra,

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<v Speaker 2>you know where the accents who don't follow grammar. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's something to bear in mind. But what I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to mention because Bell Mel mentioned it. One more

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<v Speaker 2>thing he mentioned to me was in Yigdah. I'll say

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<v Speaker 2>one more point about Yigdeh, and then unless someone comes

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<v Speaker 2>up with a great Fritish, that'll be the end for Yigdh.

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<v Speaker 2>But before I say what Mel pointed out to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to show you how Yigdeh because this

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<v Speaker 2>is relevant to what I'm going to show you in

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<v Speaker 2>a minute. It was thanks to Mel's question and I

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<v Speaker 2>realized something. I dive in with this sitter all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>but I I never noticed this. First of all, Yigdah

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<v Speaker 2>is run. Yigdah has a formula like all these few

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<v Speaker 2>team I mentioned it last week, and the Yigdall formula

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<v Speaker 2>goes it goes state to New Oat. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>explain to you what this means now yah tage day two.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, tage day two oats oat, so what does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean? Vowels and then yet tad. So it goes

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<v Speaker 2>like this, this is the this is them the model

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<v Speaker 2>stay two vowels, yig doll. Then you have what's called

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<v Speaker 2>thee or the peg, and that's either a cheva or

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<v Speaker 2>a hataugh and then a vowel. So the second is

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<v Speaker 2>lo and then you have to him hi, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you have the aid they and then you have the

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<v Speaker 2>second bah. And that's how you get it in both

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<v Speaker 2>the first and the first half the second half. And

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<v Speaker 2>now that goes throughout the entire the entire thing. Mel

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out the following, which I hadn't paid attention, which

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<v Speaker 2>is correct. Hold on, let me give you another the

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<v Speaker 2>other picture of high Here he said that we were

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<v Speaker 2>speaking and this all started because of Adono lum, where

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<v Speaker 2>I made my point that the Python intended it to be,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, melek and a era. But he gave another example.

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<v Speaker 2>You see in this line here we sing it chefanav

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<v Speaker 2>chafanavatau natano. That really should be chefa. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>clear the only reason why we do it with the

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<v Speaker 2>accent on the second part is because of the song.

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<v Speaker 2>The python did not intended it should be read chefan

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<v Speaker 2>neva natano. But then I looked carefully. I never really

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<v Speaker 2>noticed this art scroll. Actually it has the syntax right,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't have the meter right. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the old RCA sitter, they have it right

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<v Speaker 2>and other sea during Really the word L is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to go on this side. It's chefa too ot ne

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<v Speaker 2>vu ya tad atau too netta ya tad no l.

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<v Speaker 2>So the L has to go on this side. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember when we sing it, if we sing

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<v Speaker 2>a chefon of uatau natano eh sha, or if we

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<v Speaker 2>put the al the second part. But the way it's

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<v Speaker 2>divided is incorrect here by arts grow. They also make

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<v Speaker 2>the mistake up in one of the other places. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>they divide it. Uh they divide it incorrectly. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>they do. I have to look. I'm not gonna yeah

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<v Speaker 2>here and lomoulatau. So uh take a look later you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see that. Uh it follows. It follows a meter. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>gonna continue with the response to me from Rabbi Mazous,

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<v Speaker 2>page two thirty nine. But before we get to that,

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<v Speaker 2>name Betel? Is that a holy name? Is that name

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<v Speaker 2>of God? Is that just the name of the place.

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<v Speaker 2>And it matters because in terms of writing, we know

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<v Speaker 2>that Ale is one of God's names, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>actually you can write it. It just can't destroy it

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't erase it or anything like that. So

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<v Speaker 2>can you send a letter? And we saw it rub

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<v Speaker 2>On Mazous said it, and I asked questions about him

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<v Speaker 2>that who says that Betel is a holy name? Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the name of the place. So for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have the name Yestrael, the name Yesterel or Shimouel,

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<v Speaker 2>it has the name of God in it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>become a name now, so you don't write a Shimuel

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<v Speaker 2>I raised the questions that from Mazous, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>asked him, if you recall it, what about the synagogues

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<v Speaker 2>that are called beth L. Clearly they are named for

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<v Speaker 2>the house of God. So can you write in Hebrew?

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<v Speaker 2>Even in English? If it's the name of God in Hebrew,

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<v Speaker 2>Even that Bethel's not theoretical. If you belong to the synagogue,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna write it on your check. I wrote it

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<v Speaker 2>on a check one of my neighbors. It was honored.

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<v Speaker 2>We got this thing called the Bethdel Tourras Center in Beatedale.

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<v Speaker 2>And my neighbor was one of the people. Are they honored?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't afford to go to the dinner, but I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a check and in the following year they came

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<v Speaker 2>to his house, which is not far from me, a

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<v Speaker 2>Yakov Katz. They call him Keatsila. He's famous, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the founders of Beatedale. So I wrote another check and

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<v Speaker 2>is it a problem the Russiashiva Bethel is Rosama Muhammad.

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<v Speaker 2>His son is Reveliaz Mohammed from her Brakha, who writes

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<v Speaker 2>the famous book Panini HAA. Okay, but before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to a Mazou's reply we have I wanted to just

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<v Speaker 2>get to the question of mentioning God's name the khlau

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<v Speaker 2>because Mosher raised this a couple of weeks ago. You

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm we're quoting psukim and I'm I'm quoting

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<v Speaker 2>from a pussk and I'm saying God's name. I just

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<v Speaker 2>He looked into a few things, because I said that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a unit, it's okay, that's what I thought. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>and uh. He did all the research and lo and behold,

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<v Speaker 2>it's correct. But even before I was correct. But even

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<v Speaker 2>before that, I was thinking, as I knew it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just show why I'm saying this. Here's here's

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<v Speaker 2>a sitter. What do we say when we lift the tower?

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<v Speaker 2>Iver's also kasha Al is not a complete pussic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a partial pussock. And yet that's the proof that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>cites that. There's other proofs as well that you can

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<v Speaker 2>if you're citing a portion of a pussk, you can

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<v Speaker 2>say Asham's name. What about just in general in learning

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<v Speaker 2>things like that you can find in in j have

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<v Speaker 2>Adas of of of of of Ady Joseph in volume

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<v Speaker 2>what volume is this? Three number four? Uh No number thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>He raises this question, if you're learning Gamarah and God's

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<v Speaker 2>name is mentioned, I mean through a you have a pussok,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, and you read the pussak, you mentioned Asham's name,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone who deals with it concludes that. According to AAA,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a problem at all. With the braha, you shouldn't,

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<v Speaker 2>but with the pussoka, it's no problem mentioning it. Moshas

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<v Speaker 2>sent me. However, the slipe work says that we're no

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<v Speaker 2>haig and I think he's speaking for Ashkenaze here, he says.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, Roy, it's better not to say the names

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<v Speaker 2>when you're quoting kutsy pussok. But that's I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what we're doing. Because we're quoting, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>quoting from a gamar. We're quoting for actually we're we're

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<v Speaker 2>we're reading the pussle. The question is what about in

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<v Speaker 2>a drasha? And Simon race test Avove of our Raim

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<v Speaker 2>says you shouldn't say in a drasha, but others disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>In general, there's a dispute here. Bet and Spardin. Spardin

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<v Speaker 2>have no problem. They say things like todala l. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe in using this kua kale kila, don't ashkenazine

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<v Speaker 2>But certainly in learning there's no problem. So also last class,

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<v Speaker 2>I I heard myself that I said about the names

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<v Speaker 2>of God. I wasn't sure if when the sofur writes it,

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<v Speaker 2>if he has to actually verbalize it, or it's enough

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<v Speaker 2>to have just the kavana that he's doing it uh

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<v Speaker 2>uh se mitzvah. And but I went I found some

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<v Speaker 2>good sarim on it. And the accepted halaha is that

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<v Speaker 2>he has to verbalize it. He asked Koskovades. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>enough just to think it. Even though now and when

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<v Speaker 2>they write the seame o sometimes they will do it

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<v Speaker 2>all they'll leave it out, unlike to fill in and

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<v Speaker 2>masusas that have to be written in a separate in

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<v Speaker 2>a straight order, in a straight line, uh, in the

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<v Speaker 2>order they appear. I should say, you don't need that.

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<v Speaker 2>So sometimes they'll leave the sofur will leave the uh,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get back to the question now of h

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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Mazus and what his reply here is. He thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that the shot is despite what I sold you, the

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<v Speaker 2>hussom sofa under the hussom sofa says Uncles doesn't translate

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<v Speaker 2>Basel as a base said, well, hi, he just translates

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<v Speaker 2>it as Basel, So that shows he doesn't think it's holy.

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<v Speaker 2>But Reb Mazus disagrees, and he brings a couple of proofs.

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<v Speaker 2>I put it in pericress. If you look in good Zion,

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<v Speaker 2>what does it say? It says that Jacob is the

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<v Speaker 2>story of y'all called after his dream. He says he

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<v Speaker 2>was afraid. He says, this is Basel king, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the house of God. And then what he needs to

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<v Speaker 2>call it and puss cud test he calls it basel,

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<v Speaker 2>so clearly Revmozous says, and it is another pusak. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 2>in Paraglamad, Hey where if Acrel I'm gonna come? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he called the place basel, So he thinks that that's

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<v Speaker 2>enough to show that it's uh, it means God's name,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to treat it with respect. He says.

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<v Speaker 2>The Emma Nites have the practice there for a writing

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<v Speaker 2>this in one word, So that's what he holds. And

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<v Speaker 2>as for what about my question that synagogues, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you call the synagogue betel? Because why didn't

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<v Speaker 2>a rabbi say anything? He says, no problem calling it beatedel,

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<v Speaker 2>because uh, what's the problem that my beat most of

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<v Speaker 2>Trani he calls, he called the name of his book beyel. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the name of the ohok and you can say it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can say Betho came if you wants. But he says,

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<v Speaker 2>you can say this because it's it's you're allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>say the holy name if it's relevant to to the

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<v Speaker 2>to a title or for something. Certainly that's the Spardic practice.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can't write it. That's the problem. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>understand my question so much. I wasn't clear of Mazusa

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<v Speaker 2>is saying, yes, you can call it Beth Betel Bethel,

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<v Speaker 2>just like you can always say with this fardan you

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<v Speaker 2>say to dala l there's no problem. They say it

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Ashkenazi may be more mahmir, but only

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<v Speaker 2>a min Goshnazim also agree. You can say it, but

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<v Speaker 2>according to Amasus, you can't write it. You can't even

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<v Speaker 2>write it the city in Israel. So I do not

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<v Speaker 2>have the answer those of you who you can answer

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<v Speaker 2>your local rabbis. If anyone can find an answer and

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<v Speaker 2>get back to me, how is it that we have

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<v Speaker 2>We can have shows with the name Beatedell. Yes, you

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<v Speaker 2>can have the name of the show. But then what

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<v Speaker 2>about every time you send out a newsletter? What about

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<v Speaker 2>and by the way, the newsletter sometimes have Hebrew on it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't just have English Bethel to have the Hebrew.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll say Bethdell And then people said, or how

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<v Speaker 2>that's God's name. I don't And with this and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>agrees it's God's name. It's not like the city in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>So if someone can come up with an explanation as

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<v Speaker 2>to how this is permissible and how the rabbis allowed this,

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<v Speaker 2>because it appears to me it's it's a problem the

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<v Speaker 2>names of their certain names of God. There's all list

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<v Speaker 2>of names of seven and you can say them. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about Sham, you know, Ado and then Shem,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can say them much easier. But you can't

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<v Speaker 2>write them. Or I should say that you can write them,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't destroy them. You can't throw them out or

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<v Speaker 2>erase them. So I don't have an answer to that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a problem. Okay, Then I come to the next

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<v Speaker 2>part of the question here, and for this I have

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<v Speaker 2>to give a bit of an introduction. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>little chair here now to put things at. And this

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't take us a little into Trump. And before I

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<v Speaker 2>explain to the question, and I asked ram Mazous, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to show you something. My paper's out here. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you have so many papers here it's it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>keep track. Okay, we all know we have Trump in Tora.

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<v Speaker 2>We we earn this Trump bar mitzvah. We don't always

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<v Speaker 2>pay such attention to it. But Trump actually can help

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<v Speaker 2>you understand Tommy Hammi krap in Hebrew can help you

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<v Speaker 2>understand versus. And when I say help you understand, that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that we're bound to it. That's what we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see in a minute. But we see through

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<v Speaker 2>trump An explanations. So let me give you a couple

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<v Speaker 2>examples of what I'm talking about, famous ones that I

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<v Speaker 2>think you will know. Okay, So here's a a Pustlen divarnment.

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<v Speaker 2>We know it from the Satyr. What does it say

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<v Speaker 2>in chapter twenty six, verse five, in the middle it says,

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<v Speaker 2>nissa arte if national kacha, you should recite as follows

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<v Speaker 2>before the words your god Arami of a dove. And

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<v Speaker 2>what is Arami? If you look in the many the Pashtanim,

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<v Speaker 2>they they translated as a wandering Aramian was my father,

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<v Speaker 2>referring to Avraham. But in the hagadasach and here actually

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<v Speaker 2>in this translation from Safari, I don't know which translation

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<v Speaker 2>they use, it has no Actually this one has my

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<v Speaker 2>father was a wandering era, a fugitive Aramir. But in Hagado,

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<v Speaker 2>what do we say an Arami in wanted to destroy

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<v Speaker 2>my father and am sought to destroy my father, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's referring to love one. Now, if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the trump here now here. Here's a tricky thing here

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<v Speaker 2>because that line there, that that goes up there. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at that that. I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 2>call it, even what it looks like, but that quarter

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<v Speaker 2>circle or whatever. It's confusing because it could be either

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<v Speaker 2>a pashta or a codma. At least it can't really,

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<v Speaker 2>but people look at it. They think it. Now these

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<v Speaker 2>are two. Let me show you what these things are

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<v Speaker 2>in the So here you have, for example, here you

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<v Speaker 2>have codma and then if you look up over here

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<v Speaker 2>don't see any difference, but there actually is a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, there's a difference. Now they look you

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<v Speaker 2>see the pashta the little mark is at the very

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<v Speaker 2>very end, and look over here at the codsma. The

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<v Speaker 2>codma it's not at the end. It's well, it's towards

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<v Speaker 2>the end, but it's the second to the last letter.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me now go back to the pussle. So

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<v Speaker 2>we see here arami ovad av this is a pashta,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh pashta is there's two types of trump. There's

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<v Speaker 2>what we call the conjunctive and disjunctive. Disjunctive means it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of like a stop conjunctive means it's connected.

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<v Speaker 2>This is actually a disjunctive. If it was a connected one,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be Rami ovade a v. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>a wandering Araman was my father. But it's disjunctive. It's

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<v Speaker 2>Arami and aramian ovei av sought to destroy my father.

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<v Speaker 2>So you see through the Trump the way it should

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<v Speaker 2>be understood. I'll give you another example here. You got

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<v Speaker 2>this verse here Isaiah forty three three cole core b

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<v Speaker 2>me bar. What does that mean? Well, if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the King James Virgin, what are they translated the

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<v Speaker 2>voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, cold Corey

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<v Speaker 2>bammy bar. However, look at the Trump. That's disjunctive, cold

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<v Speaker 2>Corey bambi bar. And this translation reflects that cold Corey

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<v Speaker 2>a voice rings out karma in the bambi bar panudera. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Trump actually teaches us how you're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>understand it. Okay. So my question was, as follows from Moss,

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<v Speaker 2>we have this pussle in uh Bracious chapter ten, verse

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, it says, oh Shame lad gam Hu Shame

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<v Speaker 2>also had children a vi coboneever ancestor volda sentence of

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<v Speaker 2>Aver Ahri yeffetagadol. What is aheadol mean? So the translation

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<v Speaker 2>we have here is older brother of jeff Ja. The

436
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<v Speaker 2>question is is it is is it Aver is he

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<v Speaker 2>older brother of Yeffet or is he the brother Ahi

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<v Speaker 2>and Yeffet is yet Yeffett is the older one? Which

439
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<v Speaker 2>is it as the brother of Theffet, who's the oldest one,

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<v Speaker 2>or that Yeffett is older? Well, if you look at Rashi,

441
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<v Speaker 2>Rashi doesn't. Rashi says he doesn't know. Rashi says he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know if Yet is the older one or if

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<v Speaker 2>Aver is uh the older one. So my question to

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<v Speaker 2>Ramazou's was, well, I don't see what rash rush go

445
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<v Speaker 2>in the mid rush. What's the problem, what's the issue?

446
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<v Speaker 2>Look at the trump, it says Avi Kobinahavi Ahri stop

447
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<v Speaker 2>jeff at hagado brother off at the older one. The

448
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<v Speaker 2>Trump tells you that Yet is the older one. So

449
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<v Speaker 2>if if if it was the other way around, if

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<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to say that Aver is the older one,

451
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<v Speaker 2>then it should look like this. Let me show you

452
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<v Speaker 2>how the trump. Earlier today, I wrote up this trump

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<v Speaker 2>to show you what it should look like. Let's see

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<v Speaker 2>if I can find it on my paper. Here, ah, yes, here,

455
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<v Speaker 2>this is how the trump should look You can see it.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be Effet, that's the brother of the Effete

457
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<v Speaker 2>and of course the oldest one. But it doesn't look

458
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<v Speaker 2>like that. It looks like this. Let me show you

459
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<v Speaker 2>again what it looks like. You can now see what

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like. I think you can see it's it's

461
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<v Speaker 2>large enough. Yeah, So what's the question, sir by Mazouz

462
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<v Speaker 2>answers me simply that what I say is correct. But

463
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<v Speaker 2>at the time of the mid Rush, they did not

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<v Speaker 2>have the trump as and he points out as the

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<v Speaker 2>ritz Vob mentions in his commentary on Youma Now, Ribariolai

466
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't think that this is the shot in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the Ritva. He thinks that what the Ritiva is saying

468
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<v Speaker 2>that in the days of Ezra, But I don't agree

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<v Speaker 2>with that, and it's not a dogmatic issue. Revellio Levita

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<v Speaker 2>and the Bahor says as follows and is sorry in

471
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<v Speaker 2>his book too, Tom, I'll read it to you. He

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<v Speaker 2>says that he's proven that he says that until the

473
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<v Speaker 2>end finishing of the Talmud, you didn't have any Trump

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<v Speaker 2>or even the written vowels chicamu balle hamasaura to Sherbet Tavaria,

475
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<v Speaker 2>Hamadina Vincio dorama. So, and I believe that's what the

476
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<v Speaker 2>Ritva is saying as well, because he says he says,

477
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<v Speaker 2>the Ritvas says that now we have Trump, so earlier

478
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<v Speaker 2>questions of interpretation have been settled for us. Uh, I

479
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<v Speaker 2>think it's I think that's that's obvious what he's speaking about.

480
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<v Speaker 2>But even if uh uh, he is not, others agree

481
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<v Speaker 2>with this. This is an important point, I think, because

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is not determinative in how we have to interpret.

483
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<v Speaker 2>We read the Trump and we see that the Trump

484
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<v Speaker 2>teaches us. We can see how the people who made

485
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<v Speaker 2>the Trump understood it, but that's not definitive. You have

486
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<v Speaker 2>a plenty of examples where commentators interpret including the mainstream Rashi,

487
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<v Speaker 2>Ramban et cetera, interpret it at odds with the Trump,

488
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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes the unculis is at odds with the Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>So Trump, although we use the Trump, and that's what

490
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<v Speaker 2>we need to lane, that's our tradition, but Trump does

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<v Speaker 2>not have any authoritative ruling in terms of how to

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<v Speaker 2>understand the puss of Trump is just another interpretation. What

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<v Speaker 2>I maya understanding. However, before I looked more into it

494
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<v Speaker 2>was that, yes, maybe you didn't have the symbols, but

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that still the way of reading. We would

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<v Speaker 2>assume that the Midrash would have preserved this way of reading,

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<v Speaker 2>and Remozoo's based on the rich things. Know that this

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<v Speaker 2>is just the master rates interpretation and Rashi's not. The

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<v Speaker 2>Midrash is not bound by that. Obviously. Uh. In the

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<v Speaker 2>days that the Midrash, you certainly would have had people

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<v Speaker 2>who said the same thing, You're supposed to read it

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<v Speaker 2>this way, but others said, no, you read it the

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<v Speaker 2>other way. So we're bound by uh Trump in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of how to read, but we're now bound by Trump

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of how to interpret it. And therefore, so

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<v Speaker 2>if someone says, well, you know what the shot is

507
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<v Speaker 2>because look at the Trump that that's that's just ape shot,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not deep shot, the next question I asked him

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<v Speaker 2>this is all again, were like ten questions in this

510
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<v Speaker 2>is He had mentioned that Ravvadio safe permitted Rodove cooked pesa.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's Rodolf cook? Let me show you a picture of him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's from rof Cook's family. He's a big macoubaal in

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<v Speaker 2>Tavaria and tom hochm traditional from Maubo. But he became

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<v Speaker 2>a Sardi as it were, and Ravavadi Josafe permitted him

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<v Speaker 2>to uh he kidney oh, to do everything. And Revmazou

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<v Speaker 2>says that that's because he became completely Spardik. And I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote to Ramazous, however, that about the laters, we saw

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<v Speaker 2>that rev Av ram yo Safe believes anyone could become Sardi,

519
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<v Speaker 2>and Revis like yo Safe, doesn't believe that only about

520
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<v Speaker 2>Chuva could become Sardi. I don't know how Josef would

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the case of Rodolf Cook. But then I

522
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<v Speaker 2>pointed out that that book, remember the controversial book mayan

523
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<v Speaker 2>Omer where we were. The question was how reliable is

524
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<v Speaker 2>it about Ravadio Safe how we're In this book it

525
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 2>says explicitly the Revvadya holds that any Ashkenazi can become

526
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<v Speaker 2>even if you're not about Shuva, you can become Sardi.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go, and Ramazu simply says that, in

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<v Speaker 2>his opinion, REVAi only said this to r. Dove Cook

529
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<v Speaker 2>because he became a real SARTI not only did he

530
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<v Speaker 2>adopt all him in hugging, he pronounces the words like asfardi.

531
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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean? To pronounce the words like asfardi?

532
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Not just what the iron and the hat, but the koof.

533
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>You can learn to say the hoof and cuff are different.

534
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>And gimme gimmel with the gash without if you know

535
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<v Speaker 2>how to do that. It's hard to teach an old

536
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<v Speaker 2>horse new tricks. Okay. And the final thing, I asked him, well,

537
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<v Speaker 2>the second, the final thing we're gonna deal with was

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<v Speaker 2>a few times Rabbi Mazous has spoken said negative things

539
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<v Speaker 2>about the about rabbi doctors. Okay, I don't take it personally.

540
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Not only don't personally. I even wrote him a letter.

541
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.240
<v Speaker 2>But when I didn't do this, it's not like I'm

542
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>playing along with him here. What I said, I meant

543
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<v Speaker 2>it because I think it's true. I said to him.

544
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<v Speaker 2>In some few places you wrote about the rabbi doctors

545
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<v Speaker 2>and the troubles they cause. Because there are Rabbi doctors

546
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<v Speaker 2>who cause troubles, no question about it. But if i'd

547
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<v Speaker 2>be speaking today, the rabbi not doctors, are causing more troubles.

548
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you haven't had any rabbi doctors, having people

549
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 2>dobvin and have giant weddings without masks and everything. So

550
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<v Speaker 2>but be there as it may. Yeah, there are the examples.

551
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<v Speaker 2>He gave. Some examples he gave from like left wing

552
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<v Speaker 2>types at least I think maybe some of you listeners

553
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think. I think it's a bit of a problem.

554
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.719
<v Speaker 2>One person in particular, he went off, is Rebbi Benny

555
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<v Speaker 2>Lau that he thinks he doesn't like Rebby Benny Lao

556
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<v Speaker 2>his interpretations. I like Rebbi Benni Lao, although I don't

557
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<v Speaker 2>like his first book on Ravid Josef. I wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>review of that because this is supposed to be an

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<v Speaker 2>academic book and it has an approbation from Revvad Josef.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a study of Ravud Josif how can you have

561
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<v Speaker 2>a study of someone where then you get an approbation

562
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<v Speaker 2>that's not an academic work. Then I in my review

563
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>of it, I said, it's politically correct scholarship. But uh,

564
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<v Speaker 2>his all sorts of interesting stuff and then an interesting figure.

565
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<v Speaker 2>But there's no question he's on the left. And uh

566
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<v Speaker 2>he said some stuff which it's basically like open Orthodox type.

567
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<v Speaker 2>So you couldn't expect Refmazous to approve of that. What

568
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<v Speaker 2>happened was that one of his students is a member

569
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<v Speaker 2>of Kanesset Full he could and he gave him one

570
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<v Speaker 2>of many Lao's books, one of the books on Nanazala

571
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<v Speaker 2>love you. I think it is sozus reddit and then

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote a big criticism of it. Be case. I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that I'm not referring to Rabbi Lao who, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying in general, so we have some rabbi

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<v Speaker 2>doctors who make I wrote, the reason I'm writing this

576
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<v Speaker 2>is because I'm the elites I want to give. I

577
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<v Speaker 2>think it's a que elites. And then I said, of course,

578
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<v Speaker 2>not all of them. And they were great Godolin. Who

579
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<v Speaker 2>are rabbi doctors or Reel Hildeseimer of W. C. Hoffen

580
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 2>vert Adrich Rohaim Heller. I said today they are great

581
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>rabbis who were doctors of Nacham Rabinovich. Uh Ravarusi Revokesin

582
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<v Speaker 2>was not alive then when I wrote this letter Ravarusi

583
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<v Speaker 2>I showed you his picture. He's the rev of uh period.

584
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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, he is the head of the dar Dam

585
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.519
<v Speaker 2>through a group. He has a PG from Bari Lawn.

586
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>He's on the Molesakatra sheet. But I said, I heard

587
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<v Speaker 2>him an interesting, a nice malitza about these troublemakers. So

588
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<v Speaker 2>here's the malitza. So let me show you the melitza.

589
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 2>Here it is. If you look in Lamad bays Zion,

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<v Speaker 2>it says vy the Bara, it says raid Am uh

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<v Speaker 2>go down because uh, you know, uh, the people have

592
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<v Speaker 2>dealt corruptly, so raid becoming a militza becomes doctor. That is,

593
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 2>you can read it. The doctors they've they've corrupted things.

594
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<v Speaker 2>So whatever, it's a elitza. I'm just playing. It's just

595
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 2>it's a game a little bit the malitzas. But his

596
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<v Speaker 2>answer is important because he doesn't take it as a joke.

597
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 2>He says, but there are doctors, who are you ASHAMAYI. No,

598
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:57.280
<v Speaker 2>he's upset. And I wrote that even though I thought

599
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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of cute. Uh. He says, like Ravona

600
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<v Speaker 2>Maertz spach you on a maertzpach. Matzpak's one of the founders,

601
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<v Speaker 2>early teachers in yushimas cul Tora comes from Germany, where

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<v Speaker 2>you had all these rabbi doctors, and he was a

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<v Speaker 2>great mathematician in Germany. As we know, well, you had

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<v Speaker 2>all the Rabbi doctors. That was a big thing because

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<v Speaker 2>the Reform and the Conservative wor old rabbi doctors, so

606
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<v Speaker 2>the Orthodox had to be Rabbi doctors. So you had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of rabbi doctors in Germany, including Adoli you Srow.

608
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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi doctors were a big thing in America too, in

609
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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties. It was very popular.

610
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<v Speaker 2>You had rabbis coming out of Yu. They gave a DHL.

611
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<v Speaker 2>So I've got PhDs. It's sort of going out of style,

612
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<v Speaker 2>but it's it was a big deal, and you think

613
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<v Speaker 2>it's only why you look what I have. I've never

614
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<v Speaker 2>published this. You're seeing this for the very first time.

615
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<v Speaker 2>I've never written about it. Some of the stuff I

616
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<v Speaker 2>share with you i've written about. You know who else

617
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<v Speaker 2>has a doctorate? Here is from Hapar Daves magazine aardase In.

618
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<v Speaker 2>I wrote it down, what year it is, hold on

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty three, I believe it is. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>fifty three. I don't see the page where I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>it down. Six I forget what year it is. Apardaset

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<v Speaker 2>recorded that Mary Stral decided they got approval from the

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<v Speaker 2>government for from the boards that determine these things to

624
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<v Speaker 2>award a doctorate. And the whole article is how this

625
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<v Speaker 2>doctorate doctoral degree from Maryastro is going to help with

626
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<v Speaker 2>harbtos Torah. And the author says how upset he was.

627
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<v Speaker 2>At first he'd understand it. It's a three page article,

628
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<v Speaker 2>but as he goes further in, in fact, let me,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hold a second. I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>you the exact date in case you want to check here.

631
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going on my butzer hahma here so I can

632
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<v Speaker 2>give you the exact date. What year do we say

633
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<v Speaker 2>it is? It's rough Zion? So year Parties is the

634
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<v Speaker 2>big rabbinic journal, so your tough Zion is, yes, nineteen

635
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<v Speaker 2>fifty three. No one explains why there's a necessity because

636
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<v Speaker 2>you have Yeshiva students who want the doctorate, and if

637
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<v Speaker 2>we don't offer it, they'll go to the university and

638
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<v Speaker 2>that'll be a lot of bit to Torah. And this

639
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<v Speaker 2>way we can keep them here and making the doctorate

640
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<v Speaker 2>for just learning Torah. Who uh, just like, did you

641
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<v Speaker 2>have the BTL Bachcher of Talmunich law? So then you

642
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<v Speaker 2>have the doctor? Tell me I even met, I don't

643
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<v Speaker 2>know how many of these near strals had But I

644
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<v Speaker 2>met one years ago before Archsco had the translation of

645
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<v Speaker 2>Schulling for Daffiolmi if you wanted to use Dafiolmi, because

646
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<v Speaker 2>Thesino never translated it. There was a rabbi at Nerystro

647
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<v Speaker 2>He translated Schulling and it was published in that it

648
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<v Speaker 2>looks like Sancino, but it's not, and he was a

649
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:04.920
<v Speaker 2>rabbi doctor. I don't know how many they awarded. And

650
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<v Speaker 2>you can read the entire article here about how this

651
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<v Speaker 2>is a positive thing because it's going to keep them.

652
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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a it's gonna be a kosher degree

653
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<v Speaker 2>basically because they won't have to go at the Davod.

654
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<v Speaker 2>Because people want the degree, they feel they need it,

655
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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Therefore we should have it. So an are

656
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<v Speaker 2>you stroll awarded the doctorate degree? Also so and so,

657
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<v Speaker 2>and of course I can go through the list of

658
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<v Speaker 2>all the rabbis. It was expected, basically not required, but

659
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<v Speaker 2>it was expected at the Ubbinical Seminary of Berlin that

660
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you get a doctorate. Now, mind you, I hope I'm

661
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<v Speaker 2>not offending anyone, but the doctorates in Germany are not

662
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<v Speaker 2>They were not like American doctorates. You look at these doctorates,

663
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<v Speaker 2>some of them are forty pages, fifty pages, even the ROVs,

664
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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like eighty pages. These are not American doctorates.

665
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<v Speaker 2>In Germany, you can go thel for like a superdoctorate

666
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<v Speaker 2>afterwards when you did a real project. But this is

667
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<v Speaker 2>you spend. You could spend let's say, two semesters and

668
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<v Speaker 2>a German university and then you write up, you know,

669
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<v Speaker 2>fifty pages and they award the doctor to you. We're

670
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<v Speaker 2>not dealing with We're not dealing with such great hochmah.

671
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<v Speaker 2>And some of them are interesting, but many of them

672
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 2>are have no lasting value for us. What part of

673
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<v Speaker 2>the value was that is doing doctor ritz? Basically, the

674
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<v Speaker 2>entire commentary of the Rambam's commentary of the Rambam on

675
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the Mishna was retranslated into Hebrew by various people looking

676
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.840
<v Speaker 2>for doctor o degrees. Now we don't need that because

677
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 2>we have arabai kaf. But then and then he says,

678
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<v Speaker 2>listen to this. After saying that there are doctors who

679
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<v Speaker 2>are erasha mayim, he says almost all the early Sardi,

680
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<v Speaker 2>and he includes the Balamor and the Ramban. Learn the

681
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 2>works of Aristotle. And the Greeks, with the exception of

682
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 2>the Riff because he came from Morocco. What he's saying here,

683
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<v Speaker 2>and this is something around Mazous feels strongly on that

684
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:58.360
<v Speaker 2>we should not be afraid of coman Cochma's valuable. Of course,

685
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.039
<v Speaker 2>you have to understand the Tora goes up. But this

686
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 2>extremist Ashkenazic rejection of wisdom, this was never the Spardak approach,

687
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<v Speaker 2>as he says, virtually all the Spartan learned Aristotle and

688
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.960
<v Speaker 2>other Greeks, but today, you know, we don't feel like

689
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.760
<v Speaker 2>we're getting wisdom from Aristotle. It's more antiquarian interest or

690
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.960
<v Speaker 2>if you want to understand the rhum bomb, you read Aristotle,

691
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<v Speaker 2>but you just have to substitute what's the Aristotle today?

692
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Who's the leading scientist today, the leading philosophers. So this

693
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>is not this is not modern Orthodoxy. Rabbi Mosus would say,

694
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<v Speaker 2>this is tradition in this Sardic world. We know that

695
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<v Speaker 2>the Ashkenazic world was not open minded, but there's a

696
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<v Speaker 2>reason for that because they were persecuted and they were

697
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<v Speaker 2>closed off. But wherever Jews were allowed entree access into

698
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<v Speaker 2>the outside world, they partook and Simpson. Rafael Hersch's whole

699
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.800
<v Speaker 2>idea is that we never wanted to be in the ghetto.

700
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<v Speaker 2>We were put in the ghetto against our will. Jews

701
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 2>are supposed to be out there. The model for Jews

702
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 2>is the Golden Age of Spain. We're supposed to be

703
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>involved in civilization and bringing Jewish wisdom to bear. We

704
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 2>spoke about this, Rabbi Sachs. So this is not a distortion,

705
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<v Speaker 2>this is this is the mission. Hirsh actually uses the

706
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<v Speaker 2>word mission of the Jews and this and if you look,

707
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<v Speaker 2>you see who Hirsh's uh. He sees himself as following

708
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 2>in that path. So it's ironic here that one of

709
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<v Speaker 2>the leaders in the Swardi kri kuasi Hiradi world, he

710
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>is like defending the the honor of the Sartan that no, no,

711
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<v Speaker 2>we're not afraid of Hakchma. And it's not just Krochma

712
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.119
<v Speaker 2>as he says in other places, it's dick took for

713
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<v Speaker 2>the Ashkenazim, dicktok is for the muskillium ussir tanach No,

714
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<v Speaker 2>that's for the muskillium user. All these things philosophy, Migiel

715
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<v Speaker 2>all us sir uh. The only thing that you do

716
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<v Speaker 2>is shasum postky no. The Jewish curriculum is much wider

717
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:56.119
<v Speaker 2>than that, and at least from his perspective, you can't

718
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<v Speaker 2>be an authentic Tom with Hocham without knowing that the

719
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Nazar without knowing, the Ramas, without knowing she raised far

720
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.280
<v Speaker 2>without knowing. Because this is this is all part of

721
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.719
<v Speaker 2>it great that some people are gonna be more inclined

722
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<v Speaker 2>to this than to that. But I hate to say it,

723
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.079
<v Speaker 2>but if from his standpoint, and this would make us

724
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<v Speaker 2>all them arotzim. If you don't know you got taped

725
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>noa what I just showed you about Yigdah and the poetry,

726
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.639
<v Speaker 2>these are our great ingubby row And you know, laed,

727
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:23.559
<v Speaker 2>if you don't know how to read a Hebrew poet

728
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<v Speaker 2>with the meter and all these sorts of things, you're

729
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:32.119
<v Speaker 2>also it's a deficiency. These are important matters, so quite interesting.

730
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<v Speaker 2>And the last thing I asked him has to do

731
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<v Speaker 2>with that's just a small point about Revellia albana moasaic.

732
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<v Speaker 2>We don't need to get into. It's not that relevant. Okay,

733
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<v Speaker 2>the last thing we'll do tonight, we have time for

734
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<v Speaker 2>one more. We moved to a new person fascinating individual.

735
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:51.519
<v Speaker 2>His name is Ravyakov Couple Schwartz. I'll show you a

736
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:56.719
<v Speaker 2>picture of him. Here, here's one picture I'll show you

737
00:44:56.920 --> 00:45:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Here he's speaking. This took place just and a half ago.

738
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<v Speaker 2>So you're asking, well, they're not wearing masks. Of course

739
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 2>you know. Unfortunately Sotmar, they don't believe in masks. They've

740
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<v Speaker 2>suffered terribly. I can't explain it. I don't know what

741
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 2>happened to be cool fish. I'll never understand this. Where

742
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.039
<v Speaker 2>by Schwartz was speaking, I know he kept away, he

743
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.679
<v Speaker 2>didn't go to show he was, but he ended up

744
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<v Speaker 2>getting it. Also, he is a children bropark. This is

745
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 2>he's speaking at the celebration, just like Habad have their

746
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<v Speaker 2>own Yontov Satmar huff Off kiss Lev is the anniversary

747
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<v Speaker 2>of the Starebi being saved when he made it into Switzerland,

748
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.320
<v Speaker 2>when he crossed into Switzerland and the Castner train Strebi

749
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 2>was saved by Kastner. I have new book just came

750
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:52.480
<v Speaker 2>out about the Sutarebi. It's called Hakani by Menachem Karen Kratz.

751
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:56.679
<v Speaker 2>He's a dentist, but uh, he's a real scholar. I

752
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know where he finds the time and he goes

753
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 2>to go the libraries and everything. He also wrote you

754
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 2>can see on tablet a couple of articles on the Satarebbi,

755
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and he I, it's very good. The facts are correct.

756
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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, though I don't look there's a

757
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<v Speaker 2>lot to criticize it. Something no quick, no question about it.

758
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.880
<v Speaker 2>But he writes in one of his English articles that

759
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<v Speaker 2>the Sata Rebbi abandoned his fluck. I don't like using

760
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<v Speaker 2>that word abandon his fuck, abandon has that negative term.

761
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Is the satmea rebi abogad to stay and die with

762
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>his flock. Uh maybe you'll think so. So. Lots of

763
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<v Speaker 2>people left, but the Hasidim want the rebbe to leave.

764
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 2>That's part of their ideology. The bells Arebbi and the

765
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Gera Rebbi and the Ababach Rebbi, they also left, and

766
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.639
<v Speaker 2>the Hasidim want that for the bells a rebbi. Someone

767
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:45.679
<v Speaker 2>even took his place and was in it, was killed,

768
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:48.599
<v Speaker 2>but took his place as like the stand in. So

769
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis would think that that's the rebbie. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like saying the abandoned. If someone can get out in

771
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 2>those times, I don't think it's I'm not we're out

772
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 2>here to judge. But it's so, it's the whole history

773
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>and we're not going to go into it. Now. You

774
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:05.079
<v Speaker 2>can listen to the old classes, and I did on

775
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the SAtma Rebi, the whole Castner affair and the Rebby's

776
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>views of Zionism. Suffice it to say, there's a lot

777
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to discuss and we can disagree. But Rabbi Yakov kople Schwartz,

778
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:18.719
<v Speaker 2>let me get you a better picture of him. He

779
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:24.519
<v Speaker 2>is Sotmer. There he is. There's another picture. This picture

780
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:31.320
<v Speaker 2>was taken last week by someone I know who's in

781
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 2>his show, and he took that picture. He happens to

782
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 2>be one of the most interesting. Tell me, who ever

783
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.519
<v Speaker 2>heard of a satmar who's writing for Omizra, Forramayon Zionist

784
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:50.079
<v Speaker 2>and journals, who is corresponding with Rabbaiohona Adler from Yu

785
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.440
<v Speaker 2>and other people and the culture. I've only I've corresponded

786
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>with him. I only spoke to him twice. I only

787
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:59.559
<v Speaker 2>saw him once. I was at a conference in two thousand,

788
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:05.719
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four, which is the anniversary and the

789
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 2>anniversary of of the Rambam's death. We had a conference

790
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<v Speaker 2>and I see all these I say, I mean, I say,

791
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<v Speaker 2>we had all these people coming to hear this conference

792
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<v Speaker 2>at the Center for Jewish History in New York, and

793
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 2>there's this one guy. He just saw his picture with

794
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the long beard and the bekisha, and he had Agabe

795
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.480
<v Speaker 2>with him very much at a place, and he's speaking

796
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<v Speaker 2>to Avi Rovitsky. Avi Rovitsky unfortunately, not long after that

797
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:32.639
<v Speaker 2>was hit by I think it was a bus and

798
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the great scholar of jewsh philosophy and other things. He lived.

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<v Speaker 2>But unfortunately he's not able, I mean mentally, this really

800
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<v Speaker 2>did him. And I find out later that was Yakov Koppschort.

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<v Speaker 2>So clearly dealing with someone who's quite unusual. He has

802
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:57.119
<v Speaker 2>anyone who's interested in the Ramban. He has his commentary

803
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<v Speaker 2>on the Ramban, not just on the here you see

804
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<v Speaker 2>a thick it is two volumes, but also he deals

805
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<v Speaker 2>with the puting of the Rumba. He has letters, five volumes,

806
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:12.079
<v Speaker 2>he has works on ala et cetera. But I find

807
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.559
<v Speaker 2>this interesting. Five fons and mildeve Tora that's where one

808
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.920
<v Speaker 2>of his letters is to me, and letters to Rabi

809
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:23.280
<v Speaker 2>sha Lot and Professor Hallamish from Blad. How sometim I

810
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>was able to do this. Let me just before I

811
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 2>get to my letter, I just I was looking for

812
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.639
<v Speaker 2>for some interesting things and I pulled off the shelf

813
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:37.679
<v Speaker 2>his book. He has an amparsha. 'm just read you

814
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.280
<v Speaker 2>something that he wrote. This book came out. This is

815
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:45.039
<v Speaker 2>volume two, so it came out in twenty sixty. Let

816
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.920
<v Speaker 2>me read to you what he says and ask yourself

817
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 2>if someone else said this when people be shocked. But

818
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 2>he has all sorts of unbelievable stuff. He knows philosophy.

819
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's because I was reading his stuff. That's

820
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 2>why I thought he's someone I want to correspond with.

821
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 2>And as I said, we had a very long conversation

822
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 2>one night. You know, their culture is so much different

823
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 2>than ours. After we had this conversation, he was marrying

824
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 2>someone off a daughter. I think a few months later,

825
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.679
<v Speaker 2>he sends me a wedding invitation and he also sent

826
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<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine and he went to the wedding.

827
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<v Speaker 2>It's like there's such a memous there. As you know,

828
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<v Speaker 2>he enjoyed talking to me, so I wanted to share

829
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.440
<v Speaker 2>as simpler with me. We you know, we gotta pay

830
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<v Speaker 2>for every seat. We make a big deal. We have

831
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>to apologize. I can't invite you because you know I

832
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.559
<v Speaker 2>have too many for them. It's just the more the merry.

833
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Her just come in and I was sorry. I would

834
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<v Speaker 2>have gone, but I had a conduct to be in

835
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<v Speaker 2>Scrampton that night. But in his volume here Volume two

836
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Partials Vallieri, he says, Oh, actually, no, no, this is

837
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>a different thing I want to share with you, but

838
00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll show it to you. I just pulled it up.

839
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 2>He gave an amazing krish. I think here's this kiddish. Oops.

840
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.599
<v Speaker 2>I never thought of this before till he pointed out

841
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:17.360
<v Speaker 2>where we know the rumbum rumbum speak. It says in

842
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.199
<v Speaker 2>this is hell. Else here it says avel. I actually

843
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:26.119
<v Speaker 2>think it's a vel h. Avel is mourner as opposed

844
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:29.239
<v Speaker 2>to mourning. I think we assume it's a vel. This

845
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:33.159
<v Speaker 2>is the Rabbad site. But what about the Rambam says

846
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 2>anyone who deviates from the past of the community porda

847
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 2>at sebur, who are they? An as shim shaparko a

848
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:44.039
<v Speaker 2>mixed post. Those who will reject Torah? What are we suppose?

849
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 2>And they don't observe the holidays, et cetera, et cetera.

850
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.239
<v Speaker 2>The oppy car team. What's the halaha or read in English,

851
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.079
<v Speaker 2>we do not mourn for them. They're brothers and their

852
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 2>other relatives. Wear white clothes, robin softs and white, eat,

853
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.280
<v Speaker 2>drink and celebrate for the enemies they only wanted Irish.

854
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:02.239
<v Speaker 2>That's the that's the We don't practice this anymore because

855
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 2>we assume that everyone who's irreligious they don't know any better.

856
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 2>But the old halaha is if someone was non observant

857
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:14.159
<v Speaker 2>the public, non observant person rejects torah, Well, they're not

858
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 2>our brother in tora, therefore we don't warn for them.

859
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 2>What did he says something which I don't think anyone

860
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.639
<v Speaker 2>has ever said before. Everyone assumes you don't warn for them.

861
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 2>We pull up the street again. What does by Schwartz note?

862
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.320
<v Speaker 2>What does it say here? He says here that for

863
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.960
<v Speaker 2>these people ain't me toabli in l am. We don't

864
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:37.679
<v Speaker 2>mourn for them ella, but achem usharkrovaem their brothers and

865
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.719
<v Speaker 2>their other relatives. You know, they just they rejoice, They

866
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>act normal because a wicked person has died. It says

867
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.559
<v Speaker 2>that they're brothers and there are other relatives. He points

868
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.400
<v Speaker 2>out and Makuti Dibor in volume two, page thirty. It

869
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:53.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't say a vm ay i mom. It doesn't say

870
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.719
<v Speaker 2>their father and mother. And he says, that's because according

871
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:59.519
<v Speaker 2>to a lacha, the father and mother are always supposed

872
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 2>to mourn child. He says, hat to remotovvarenega teva chatauga.

873
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:10.719
<v Speaker 2>The Torah does not ask parents to ever uproot this

874
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.880
<v Speaker 2>natural love for their children, even if the child is

875
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the biggest heretic. You're always supposed to mourn for your child.

876
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.039
<v Speaker 2>What's the te ra? And he says, look at avra.

877
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone has ever said that before that

878
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.880
<v Speaker 2>when they say you're not supposed to mourn for a sinner,

879
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:37.519
<v Speaker 2>excludes the parents, and looked and the ramas language. He

880
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:39.960
<v Speaker 2>derives us from the rama's language. What I wanted to

881
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 2>show you, and then we'll get to the probably get

882
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 2>to the question next class. The question is we'll see

883
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.119
<v Speaker 2>with the rever of Kamenescilo has a radical idea, and

884
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>we'll see what he says about it. But I thought

885
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.519
<v Speaker 2>something else I think you find interesting, which I hate

886
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 2>to say it, but it's true. If if some liberal

887
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.880
<v Speaker 2>mon orthodox rabbi were to say something like this, people

888
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 2>be very upset. He deals with the passage in the Gamara,

889
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 2>and I say it's nine twenty six. Maybe we'll go

890
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.639
<v Speaker 2>five minutes later. Because I think you'll like this. I'm

891
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:13.199
<v Speaker 2>going to read you the passage in the Gamara. Now.

892
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I even I thought maybe arts girl would do something explanation.

893
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't, so I had my brother send me the

894
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:25.480
<v Speaker 2>arts girl earlier today. Just listen to this passage. This

895
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:32.639
<v Speaker 2>is in Tractate Sota forty nine eight. Over here, Ravaka,

896
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll just read the English Ravaka. Barryakov reared Ravyakov, the

897
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 2>son of his daughter from childhood. It happened once after

898
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:44.480
<v Speaker 2>the child Ravyakov grew older that his grandfather, Raja Barryakov

899
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.639
<v Speaker 2>set to him give me water to drink. Ryakov replied,

900
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 2>I am not your son, and therefore I am not

901
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 2>obligated to honor you as a parent. Isn't that a

902
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:01.039
<v Speaker 2>strange story? What kind of a way is that to

903
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:02.920
<v Speaker 2>treat your grandfather? Even I have technically you don't have

904
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:07.360
<v Speaker 2>the obligation. We have all sorts of strange stories. Did

905
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I tell you already my theory, my heretical theory about

906
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.880
<v Speaker 2>how Talmud is an internal work for the rabbis, And

907
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.360
<v Speaker 2>I shared it in this class. I don't know if

908
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I shared it, but I only show you a similar story,

909
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and then you're gonna wait till you hear what itrock.

910
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:25.599
<v Speaker 2>A couple of shorts has to say, let's see, here's

911
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna read this to you. Here's a story

912
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.360
<v Speaker 2>from uh Khani, I'm just gonna read it twenty b.

913
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.599
<v Speaker 2>The sage is further taught in praise of the read.

914
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.400
<v Speaker 2>A person should always be soft like a read, and

915
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.840
<v Speaker 2>he should not be stiffed like a ceeder. An incident

916
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.400
<v Speaker 2>occurred in which Rabbi Aluzzer, the son of Rabbi Shimon,

917
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>came from Migdal Gadoor from his father's house, and he

918
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 2>was riding on a donkey and strolling on the bank

919
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:48.960
<v Speaker 2>of the river, and he was very happy, and his

920
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 2>head was swollen with pride because he had studied much

921
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Tower criticism of revl. He happened upon an exceedingly ugly

922
00:55:57.159 --> 00:55:59.559
<v Speaker 2>person who said to him, greetings to you, my Rabbi

923
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Alzzar did not return his greeting, et cetera. Blazar said

924
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to him, worthless person, how ugly is that man? Are

925
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 2>all the people of your city as ugly as you?

926
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:11.400
<v Speaker 2>The man said to him, I do not know, but

927
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 2>you should go and say to the craftsman who made me.

928
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Craftsmen capitalized God, how ugly is the vessel you made.

929
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 2>When Rabbi a Lezzer realized that he had sinned and

930
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.119
<v Speaker 2>insulted this man merely on account of his appearance, he

931
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:25.960
<v Speaker 2>descended from his donkey and prostrated himself before him, and

932
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.280
<v Speaker 2>he said to the man, I have sinned against you.

933
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Forgive me. The man said, I will not forgive you

934
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 2>until you go to the craftsman who made me and

935
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.159
<v Speaker 2>say how ugly is the vessel you made? And then

936
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it continues how he walked behind him, trying to appease him,

937
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera. You read a story like this,

938
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 2>and you got to ask yourself what's going on here?

939
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Who would ever say to someone you don't reply to him,

940
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and then you call him ugly in and then he

941
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 2>rebukes him. And this is the big problem any one

942
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:57.519
<v Speaker 2>of the wordes do feel me? You get to this

943
00:56:57.639 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 2>what to do with it? So this gets to my

944
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 2>my quasi heretical idea, which I know they'll throw me

945
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:04.760
<v Speaker 2>out of the base matters for saying it. But today

946
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 2>we all have to feel me. Everyone learns this, and

947
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.920
<v Speaker 2>that's the problem. I think you see from passages like

948
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.480
<v Speaker 2>this and other passages where they criticize the rabbis that

949
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.400
<v Speaker 2>they never intended Atoma to be read by the masses.

950
00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 2>This was a work from rabbi rabbis for other rabbis,

951
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.400
<v Speaker 2>and therefore you can understand why they would make do

952
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 2>a story like that because they're trying to rabbis can

953
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:32.199
<v Speaker 2>criticize other rabbis and they're making a point. The problem

954
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.559
<v Speaker 2>is when non rabbis see this, and you ask yourself,

955
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:36.800
<v Speaker 2>but they would never print a passage like this. I

956
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.559
<v Speaker 2>think if they figured we look at it, but among

957
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>themselves when they want, and the result of it is

958
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.079
<v Speaker 2>in the end of it, bauz I realized that he

959
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.480
<v Speaker 2>was being arrogant and that he was being cruel. It's

960
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:49.840
<v Speaker 2>not for us to say. The Gamara says it. So

961
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:52.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that we can see many examples of where

962
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.599
<v Speaker 2>we see passages that were not intended for the outside

963
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:57.920
<v Speaker 2>world as it is. Incidentally, that's why there was criticism

964
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.199
<v Speaker 2>of translating the tomotive of the augotic portion is in

965
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.559
<v Speaker 2>particular because they say the masses are going to see

966
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:04.159
<v Speaker 2>this and they'll say, oh, what kind of a jerk

967
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>he is? Things like that. They won't understand it then,

968
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:09.840
<v Speaker 2>or maybe they will understand it, but they're not supposed

969
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 2>to because it's not intended for them. I think it's

970
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 2>an interesting point, and historically, I think it's true that

971
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:21.480
<v Speaker 2>until modern times, basically Tomwood was kept separate for the intellectuals.

972
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:25.000
<v Speaker 2>So we had a similar passages for a Jew, where

973
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:29.000
<v Speaker 2>you have one of the m raimes saying, why should

974
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I get you a cup? You're not my father, I'm

975
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:36.519
<v Speaker 2>not obligated Revaca couple shorts in Yekta Fraum, volume five,

976
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:41.039
<v Speaker 2>page two oh one. He says his follows after quoting this,

977
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:46.360
<v Speaker 2>he says, this Aga does Zara. It's it's strange because

978
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.840
<v Speaker 2>even if you say he's not obligated to respect him

979
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.360
<v Speaker 2>from the ikarha Din, nevertheless, he's not any worse than

980
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.880
<v Speaker 2>a stummy who he's a gain. So luckysmim wish don't

981
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.639
<v Speaker 2>even if I forget it's your grandfather. If an old Jew,

982
00:58:57.719 --> 00:58:59.599
<v Speaker 2>any old Jew, asks you to give him some water,

983
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:01.760
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna give it to him. You're not gonna say

984
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:04.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to. And he says, Eli has are

985
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.920
<v Speaker 2>asked from Rifka what a to drink? And she said

986
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:10.760
<v Speaker 2>drink and for your donkeys as well. So what's going

987
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:12.559
<v Speaker 2>on here? How could he? How could he do that?

988
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:16.880
<v Speaker 2>And this is what he says al carnmarsha ain lumdi magadozo.

989
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:18.719
<v Speaker 2>He says, we have to say, we don't learn from

990
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:22.239
<v Speaker 2>this agado. It's not it's not in our tradition. I

991
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:26.960
<v Speaker 2>guess you could say it's not something we accept. He says,

992
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.920
<v Speaker 2>this is this is an individual opinion. We're not bound

993
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:32.000
<v Speaker 2>by this, and then he cites the Rumbam, just like

994
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:34.480
<v Speaker 2>the Ramam says about astrology. The Rumam says, hey, you

995
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.280
<v Speaker 2>can find passages in the Talmud that support astrology, but

996
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 2>we don't accept those passages. They're wrong. What he's saying

997
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:44.800
<v Speaker 2>is basically is that we don't accept this agada and

998
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:47.840
<v Speaker 2>that this is putting forth a wrong approach to life.

999
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:55.559
<v Speaker 2>We don't like this approach and ain herehem we have

1000
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:57.719
<v Speaker 2>to learn from this. That is, we see this, we

1001
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:01.079
<v Speaker 2>find it strange. He says. The answer to a adult

1002
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 2>stranger adn't like that is simply that we don't accept it. Then,

1003
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:08.840
<v Speaker 2>after saying this, he says, however, certainly what I say,

1004
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 2>or batalium move attelium against what the custom soface is

1005
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<v Speaker 2>a sofa uses this to learn something else, and all

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<v Speaker 2>the acronym that brought this tomorrow. And he says, I

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01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.960
<v Speaker 2>so what I said rejected. But this is a common

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01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.599
<v Speaker 2>game game is not the right word, a common device

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<v Speaker 2>that great rabbis sometimes use. They say, an opinion, a

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01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:31.760
<v Speaker 2>radical idea, And then they say, but nevertheless, since the

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01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.440
<v Speaker 2>great rabbis disagree with me, what I said is batel

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01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.239
<v Speaker 2>muveotel forget it. But if they really meant to forget it,

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01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:41.159
<v Speaker 2>they weren't have written it. They write it because they

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01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.000
<v Speaker 2>really do believe it and they want it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But then, in order not to be seen they're so disrespectful,

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01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:49.920
<v Speaker 2>they say, nevertheless, my words are battali move atalium against

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01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.400
<v Speaker 2>the hussom sofa and all the others. And I'm just

1018
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:56.159
<v Speaker 2>dealing with it. But this is this is I think

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01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:59.920
<v Speaker 2>a quite a provocative approach for an acorn, a modern person,

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<v Speaker 2>not even an a person, to say that if we

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01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:06.719
<v Speaker 2>find a Talmudic passage troubling to our moral sense, basic

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01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Jewish values, will simply say, we don't have to answer

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01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.360
<v Speaker 2>for it. We don't accept it. We're not bound to

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01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.280
<v Speaker 2>every passage in the Agada. Some things reflect ideas that

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01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:20.119
<v Speaker 2>we don't like. I this is the sort of thing

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01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.719
<v Speaker 2>that people would be put in Kairam in the liberal Orthodox.

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<v Speaker 2>And here you have Swartz. So we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to my question and answer. We'll get to that

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<v Speaker 2>next class. We'll deal with Raveeka Kamenetsky, who of Yakov

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01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 2>really says something radical, and we'll see whether that can

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01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 2>be supported. Three questions to a couple of Schwartz. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into the issue of a voter zar is a

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<v Speaker 2>voters that or Yakov wanted to argue that a voter

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01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:49.719
<v Speaker 2>zar could have some reality to it, that the world

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01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.920
<v Speaker 2>is created in such a way that a voter zur

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01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:55.880
<v Speaker 2>could be like the universe could be structured, that a

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01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.039
<v Speaker 2>voters are actually works. You think that's crazy, you think

1038
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.480
<v Speaker 2>it's a radical. We to sear a Yakov's proof for it.

1039
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.079
<v Speaker 2>But then we'll see what you jocoult couple Schwarts has

1040
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:05.880
<v Speaker 2>to say, and then we'll get back to refine and

1041
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.519
<v Speaker 2>rap report. Wait, they see what the balatonia says about

1042
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:10.199
<v Speaker 2>what you're supposed to ask us? What I us is

1043
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.000
<v Speaker 2>supposed to ask a rebby you think you're supposed to

1044
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.719
<v Speaker 2>ask a rebby everything under the sun hardly. And then

1045
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we'll get to a next class.

1046
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:20.639
<v Speaker 2>But the lesson which we just learned from couplets, which

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01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I think is only radical when applied to the tumud

1048
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.119
<v Speaker 2>not want to apply to show name, at least not

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01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:28.079
<v Speaker 2>in our circles. When applied to I think we're gonna

1050
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:30.239
<v Speaker 2>have to use that because we're gonna see something in

1051
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the tour that you're gonna find it very troubling. And

1052
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:35.760
<v Speaker 2>the question is what do you do with a troubling

1053
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:38.159
<v Speaker 2>passage like that? So I see we're going five minutes over.

1054
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.639
<v Speaker 2>But that's okay, I think, because we had good stuff today.

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01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Let me get the questions here. Mel says he was

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01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:50.960
<v Speaker 2>repeating with then quoted from Rimo's News Safer perhaps the question.

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<v Speaker 2>But I said that once you liked it once, you

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01:02:54.199 --> 01:03:01.000
<v Speaker 2>should like the first candle. You like no, no, you

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01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.800
<v Speaker 2>like the shamash before you make the brohl, you like

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01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.599
<v Speaker 2>the shamash you make the braha. But then you said

1061
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:10.920
<v Speaker 2>that you said you can light and the shamash before

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01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:12.639
<v Speaker 2>you make the broh, after you make the brokle you

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01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:16.840
<v Speaker 2>light at first? That was my question, says many people

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01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.480
<v Speaker 2>like the shamash before making the braha and lighting. Yes, okay,

1065
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.960
<v Speaker 2>that's true, and that's what you saw la Zou's he's

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01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.719
<v Speaker 2>holding what we would call the shamas the candle. But

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01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.679
<v Speaker 2>then there's the second shamas, which is built in to

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01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:32.079
<v Speaker 2>keep away the light. Like we spoke about last week.

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01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:35.239
<v Speaker 2>The question is, though, when you like the broha and

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<v Speaker 2>you're holding shamas number one, can you light shamas number

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01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:40.400
<v Speaker 2>two first?

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01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:40.800
<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I think my point is and I thought, if I'm

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01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:44.400
<v Speaker 2>wrong now, I thought that's what you were saying that

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<v Speaker 2>He said you doesn't matter if what you like first,

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01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it's clear you have to light the khanika

1077
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:53.880
<v Speaker 2>lights first. So Zana says, as Bethel, Connecticut. Yes, question

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01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:54.800
<v Speaker 2>is what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah?

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01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Kellman tells us that a weader who's great, Bob Korey.

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01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.079
<v Speaker 2>In my next blog post, I will be citing him.

1082
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:09.039
<v Speaker 2>We'll be giving a five part series on you heard

1083
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.639
<v Speaker 2>it here first. Yes, tom Amikra is one of those

1084
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 2>things that very arcane, let's put it that way, and

1085
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:20.360
<v Speaker 2>you really feel like it's another world because most people

1086
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.159
<v Speaker 2>don't know it, and there's all sorts of interesting things

1087
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and you see it every day, so uh, every time

1088
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:27.920
<v Speaker 2>we look at Dovening. Let me just show you one

1089
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:32.079
<v Speaker 2>more thing. I forgot. I forgot to say this because Mel, Mel,

1090
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you reminded me. Mel asked me a question. We're gonna

1091
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:48.360
<v Speaker 2>be laning this Thursday. Hold on on fast days. Let

1092
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:52.880
<v Speaker 2>me pull it up here. It's in Schmos now Friday,

1093
01:04:53.280 --> 01:05:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Friday will be laming here it is. Mel asked the following,

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<v Speaker 2>why on why you have sometimes the word kuma. Let

1095
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:17.920
<v Speaker 2>me read you his the word kuma, for instance, Sometimes

1096
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.480
<v Speaker 2>it's kuma like uh, and other times it's kuma. So

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01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:25.239
<v Speaker 2>in Ahm's name it's kuma and other times it's kuma.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, it's the reason is is because of uh.

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<v Speaker 2>If you if it's a shem's name, or I guess

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01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 2>even other gutt roles, then you make it mila l

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01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.039
<v Speaker 2>And I said, it's like the word lama lama. If

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01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:42.880
<v Speaker 2>it's before a gut role, it's la ma, and then's

1103
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:45.639
<v Speaker 2>name like an olif and if it's otherwise, it's mela

1104
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.679
<v Speaker 2>al lama. And now pointed out reminded me that in

1105
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the Tora reading this Friday. We will see that. So

1106
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:56.199
<v Speaker 2>for example, looking puss to get oliph, it says it

1107
01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:59.079
<v Speaker 2>says la ma has shem. But look at the next

1108
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:04.400
<v Speaker 2>pussook lama, and it usually is lama. That's the standard way.

1109
01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:08.800
<v Speaker 2>But here because you'd swallow it if you say, if

1110
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:12.719
<v Speaker 2>you said la ma, then ado, you'd swallow the the

1111
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:17.760
<v Speaker 2>first letter. So instead if you said lama lama dough shem,

1112
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:20.199
<v Speaker 2>it would be swallowed. So instead you say la ma.

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01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:23.360
<v Speaker 2>That's why we think it is that the master rights

1114
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:25.840
<v Speaker 2>did that. Okay, I just bring that up because Mel

1115
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Speaker 2>reminded me, and Mel says, pashta is always on the

1116
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:33.320
<v Speaker 2>tip and a codma is never on the tip. Right,

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01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:35.679
<v Speaker 2>That's what that was probably before I mentioned that, And

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01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:39.119
<v Speaker 2>that explains why you'll see sometimes the two it looks

1119
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:44.320
<v Speaker 2>like the two pashta's are the two codmas, because that

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01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:47.440
<v Speaker 2>explains it. Also because it's telling you that the accent

1121
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:52.400
<v Speaker 2>is earlier on. But it's it's it's a pashta, very nice,

1122
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 2>many ballet kream Michael says, make mistake with it, especially

1123
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.239
<v Speaker 2>in case of the coda isn't followed by an asa,

1124
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:05.840
<v Speaker 2>correct the sardine. Incidentally, they don't call what the well,

1125
01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:08.559
<v Speaker 2>they have different words for it. I will go into

1126
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:13.159
<v Speaker 2>against that. Now, yes, now ishaving to what mel said again,

1127
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:23.840
<v Speaker 2>but then you have something in on a disjunctive. Uh okay,

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01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:25.440
<v Speaker 2>so maybe on your creak. I don't know if that

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01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:28.960
<v Speaker 2>could be, but I have to look. You might be

1130
01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:32.800
<v Speaker 2>able to do that. I don't know, but it's a

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01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:35.159
<v Speaker 2>good point. Uh. Then you happen to have to use

1132
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<v Speaker 2>a different Trump. Very nice. Who determined the Trump? Well,

1133
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:45.360
<v Speaker 2>the master eats according to the Bahor however others hold that. No,

1134
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.920
<v Speaker 2>it goes back to Ezras even earlier. But I think

1135
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:55.159
<v Speaker 2>we assumed it's the Master eats who did that. It's

1136
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:57.039
<v Speaker 2>not because in the case of two pastas, wanted to

1137
01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:59.119
<v Speaker 2>tell you that as affect the pasta and not Comont's

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01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:01.760
<v Speaker 2>tell the emphasis go yes, that's what I said. Thank

1139
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you very much, Michael Simpler, Cogot publishing two volume center

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01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:08.440
<v Speaker 2>differences about mysa as embodied in Trump many instances, and

1141
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 2>for you, I'm sok. Yes, and we have distinctions, we

1142
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:15.719
<v Speaker 2>have a disagreements. There's Ben a Cher and Ben naff

1143
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:19.560
<v Speaker 2>tally as to how, for example, like the word everyone

1144
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:22.560
<v Speaker 2>knows how you pronounced his sucher right, well, that goes

1145
01:08:22.600 --> 01:08:25.520
<v Speaker 2>back to a dispute. Bennoff Tally had it differently. We

1146
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:34.319
<v Speaker 2>have other things. Someone says my sound is not as

1147
01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:36.319
<v Speaker 2>good as tonight, but I thought it would be better.

1148
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I guess I will go back. It's not because the

1149
01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:40.199
<v Speaker 2>shirt is because I'm using this thing on me where

1150
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.119
<v Speaker 2>someone said it would be crisper. If if I have

1151
01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the sound is not as good, I'm gonna go back

1152
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.159
<v Speaker 2>to the old way of doing it. I was told

1153
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:51.199
<v Speaker 2>that wearing this would it goes right from this microphone in.

1154
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.720
<v Speaker 2>But others at the end, let me know. Did you

1155
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:56.800
<v Speaker 2>find the sound? Just type it in. We're getting close

1156
01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:59.159
<v Speaker 2>to the end here the same, A little bit not

1157
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.720
<v Speaker 2>as good, a little bit better. And then, because someone

1158
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:03.600
<v Speaker 2>keeps telling me that he finds it hard to hear

1159
01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:05.600
<v Speaker 2>me when he listens, I put it on YouTube and

1160
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:07.319
<v Speaker 2>it's so loud. I need to turn it down. But

1161
01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:12.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought I would do something. Israeli and Mazu's critical

1162
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:14.199
<v Speaker 2>of honor. I talked to her as well. I don't know,

1163
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:17.560
<v Speaker 2>good question. The Rashbo was, Asfardi was against philosophy. No,

1164
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:20.279
<v Speaker 2>the Rashapu was not against philosophy. The Rashba was against

1165
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:24.000
<v Speaker 2>studying it too early for the young people. He wasn't

1166
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 2>against the study of medicine and philosophy for people who

1167
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:32.039
<v Speaker 2>were of age the rush was, but the Rashba if

1168
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you were of a certain age and you had background.

1169
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously he's opposed to heretical views, but he

1170
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:42.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't opposed to Hama like the Rush was. But he

1171
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:44.960
<v Speaker 2>was certainly opposed to people who are not ready for

1172
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it all Sfardim war Darristad. Oh no, no, he's talking

1173
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:55.439
<v Speaker 2>about medieval Sfardin, not later on. Yeah, yeah, yes. And

1174
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:58.359
<v Speaker 2>of course when you get into the effect his language

1175
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:11.439
<v Speaker 2>is his actual language is read it to you. Cohas FARDINKADMONI.

1176
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, all the early Swardin studied Hama. Incidentally,

1177
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:19.600
<v Speaker 2>they even the ones who started studying Kaboba early on,

1178
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 2>they didn't see it as in contradiction to philosophy. They

1179
01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:25.560
<v Speaker 2>saw it as even the rama, the Ramah who knew

1180
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:28.479
<v Speaker 2>Aristotle and he also knew Kabbola. He thought that he

1181
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:34.039
<v Speaker 2>could be brought together iPad hasn't. Professor Knwsner, along with

1182
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:40.439
<v Speaker 2>his grad students, translated Tomud Bovley. Newsner translated tom Ud

1183
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Bovley himself all by himself and then you're shaw me.

1184
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.439
<v Speaker 2>That's what he translated with his graduate students. And how

1185
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:50.159
<v Speaker 2>he did it. I know Sea Weberman attacked the translation,

1186
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:54.159
<v Speaker 2>but still for one person to do that. No, no,

1187
01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:57.800
<v Speaker 2>he translated 'shawmi by himself and Bovley divided with his students.

1188
01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:01.199
<v Speaker 2>I believe that's what It is believable how we could

1189
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:04.800
<v Speaker 2>do that. The ram Bomb he did not translate. Newser

1190
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.359
<v Speaker 2>never translated the Romm. The first translation to Rambamb was

1191
01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the Yale University Press. They still haven't done at all.

1192
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:16.159
<v Speaker 2>They haven't done yet a recently calendar published Mada or

1193
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:19.960
<v Speaker 2>vice versa calendar to Dava. They're still missing one volume.

1194
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:21.880
<v Speaker 2>But they started this in the fifties. The fact Canon

1195
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Danby Herbert Danby did the mission, translated one of the

1196
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:28.720
<v Speaker 2>volumes of the Rambamb and then RaBaD translated it and

1197
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.439
<v Speaker 2>it's a good translation. The RaBaD Arts Girl has not

1198
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:37.560
<v Speaker 2>translated it. I'm assuming eventually they will have the problems

1199
01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:41.560
<v Speaker 2>with say for Mada. But yeah, Sotmer holds that they

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01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:43.439
<v Speaker 2>have heard immunity. The problem was that they were doing

1201
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:49.079
<v Speaker 2>this before they before they had heard immunity. Mike says

1202
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:50.720
<v Speaker 2>it's an argument that the stmar should have given a

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01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:52.960
<v Speaker 2>seat to someone else since he had told them to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if the st Mart told them to

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<v Speaker 2>stay when by the time he was leaving, he definitely

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01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.560
<v Speaker 2>told me to stay beforehand. In the book I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>a few times o emoshal Abba there abby their attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>the suthing a rebbi for telling people to stay. But

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01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.159
<v Speaker 2>he did tell them to stay, and then he had

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not like he couldn't give a seat. The

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01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:19.000
<v Speaker 2>seats were given Pastner. Whatever the reason is, Castner picked

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01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:22.319
<v Speaker 2>certain people at a If the somethinger Ruby wasn't going

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01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:24.319
<v Speaker 2>to take his seat, then Castner would give it to

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01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:26.800
<v Speaker 2>someone else. It's not like a ticket to a movie

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01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.000
<v Speaker 2>theater that the somethinger Rebbi could then It's like a

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01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.159
<v Speaker 2>ticket to an airplane today. When I was young, remember

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01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.239
<v Speaker 2>you had to take it to an airplane, you can

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01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:34.600
<v Speaker 2>give it to someone else. No, today, it's your ticket.

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01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:38.000
<v Speaker 2>If you can't go, then the airline takes it back up.

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01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.039
<v Speaker 2>So and I'm not defending the satmore a rebbi the

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01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:43.680
<v Speaker 2>way he then treated Castner afterwards, or anything like that

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01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:47.239
<v Speaker 2>without publicly thanking him, but to say that he abandoned

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01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.920
<v Speaker 2>his flock, especially when the flock wanted him to save himself.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see that as a criticism. Simuley says, somethinger

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01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:57.479
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really aids before the war. Well, I don't. I

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01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.399
<v Speaker 2>did not agree with that. He had the something rebbi

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01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:03.359
<v Speaker 2>opened up in Sotomar. He he functioned as a rebbi there.

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01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.680
<v Speaker 2>He had a yeshiva, he had a tish, he had

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01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.880
<v Speaker 2>every even though he was young. He had everything that

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01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:11.000
<v Speaker 2>he had, everything that a rebbi has, and he came

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01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:15.159
<v Speaker 2>he had the Euros as well. The strudents of rom

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<v Speaker 2>Ban or Abena Yona were against uh, studying philosophy, yes,

1235
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.600
<v Speaker 2>but but the Ramban, not the Rmban, but even against

1236
01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:30.000
<v Speaker 2>studying philosophy the Rabbino Yona definitely. But you have a

1237
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.239
<v Speaker 2>dispute between the northern scholars of Northern France and southern France.

1238
01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Really in Provence, they they were in line with Catalonia

1239
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:42.600
<v Speaker 2>and the whole spartic approach. K K was a lot

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01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.319
<v Speaker 2>more critical than use of abandoned include Sotmore's whole career. Yes,

1241
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and with particular attention behavior in a casting trade. Yes, Uh,

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01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:52.800
<v Speaker 2>that is true. If you read the Tabot articles he is,

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01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:55.520
<v Speaker 2>he is much. It's not just dealing with Castner, He's

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01:13:55.520 --> 01:14:06.079
<v Speaker 2>dealing with everything that is true. Who Mike says, I

1245
01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:08.119
<v Speaker 2>don't buy this theory. All the post games say it's

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01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.079
<v Speaker 2>a three of an old Jeish males to learn Talmud.

1247
01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Where where do you see that? The post schemes say

1248
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:14.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a three of an all Jewish uh males uh

1249
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:19.000
<v Speaker 2>to learn talmud? And what does that mean? It's a

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01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:20.720
<v Speaker 2>three of an old Jewish males. If you don't know

1251
01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:23.680
<v Speaker 2>how to learn talmwood? Uh, how you supposed to learn talmud?

1252
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Most Jews throughout history never did. But where do you

1253
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:29.640
<v Speaker 2>see that it's a three of old Jewish males to

1254
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:33.319
<v Speaker 2>learn above comma and mass vain and things like that

1255
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:37.760
<v Speaker 2>that they have to learn that. Look, look in the

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01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:41.920
<v Speaker 2>rumbam in in Yesodia Torah what he in clude where

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01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:44.840
<v Speaker 2>he puts talmwood? And everyone has to learn obviously, But

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01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:48.800
<v Speaker 2>who says they have to learn talmuld the way we

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01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:50.800
<v Speaker 2>think of it today and throughout history they never did

1260
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.600
<v Speaker 2>treat I gotta te ritva treated trump not binding. Well,

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01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:05.279
<v Speaker 2>there's a whole tradition in treating it not binding. This

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01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:06.840
<v Speaker 2>goes back to the go name. And you see this

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01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:10.600
<v Speaker 2>in the Ramban in Zikuach where he says that agada

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01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:12.680
<v Speaker 2>is like sermons. You could take it or leave it,

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01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.279
<v Speaker 2>and that's the whole revo ben Araman, there's a whole

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01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:20.399
<v Speaker 2>tradition Vaco couple Schwartz. I find this interesting is because

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01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:23.960
<v Speaker 2>we're not in the Reshonic period and he's writing from

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01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a tradition in satmar In, which is more like a

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01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Mahrald type of tradition. That all agadata is binding. It

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01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:34.119
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean it's all literal, and it doesn't mean that,

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01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:36.239
<v Speaker 2>but then you might have to reinterpret it. But to

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01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.960
<v Speaker 2>simply say that we don't hold of it. The problem

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01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:41.920
<v Speaker 2>with this Agada I read you is that you can't

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01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:44.239
<v Speaker 2>really reinterpret it. It's a whole blong story there, and

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01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it's clear that the Amadi he treated him poorly, and

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01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:52.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the lesson there By the way, I'm not Mike,

1277
01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying my theory is correct, but that's how

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01:15:57.479 --> 01:16:00.720
<v Speaker 2>you can explain. I think certain string passes che passages

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01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:04.119
<v Speaker 2>where great stages are made to look not so great,

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01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:06.479
<v Speaker 2>which we if any of us, would say it. And

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01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:12.039
<v Speaker 2>it's uncomfortable to say that Okay, so people are saying

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01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:14.680
<v Speaker 2>I faded in and out and it wasn't bad, not

1283
01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:18.640
<v Speaker 2>so good. Okay, I'm not going to uh next week,

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01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:21.279
<v Speaker 2>I will be back to the old way of doing things. Uh.

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01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:25.720
<v Speaker 2>I gave it a try. Uh. And no one else

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01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:28.159
<v Speaker 2>except for the one listener who I appreciate and listening,

1287
01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:31.680
<v Speaker 2>has said though that listening on YouTube or on the podcasts,

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01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:37.800
<v Speaker 2>the sound is at all uh problematic. But yes, So

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01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:39.560
<v Speaker 2>when the ro mom says one third of your time

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01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.359
<v Speaker 2>is spent on gamorrow, what what do you mean by goamorrow?

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01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:46.319
<v Speaker 2>That's the that's the question, And who's he speaking to?

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01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Is every single person supposed to do that? The average

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01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:54.119
<v Speaker 2>person never made it beyond later, So so yes, if

1294
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:57.439
<v Speaker 2>anyone's able to get beyond, If anyone's able to do that,

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01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.399
<v Speaker 2>then they then they're able to. But uh uh if

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01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.279
<v Speaker 2>they're not able to, if there the reality is that

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01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:09.159
<v Speaker 2>most people never made it beyond basic education. So maybe

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01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you're saying, Mike though, but in theory everyone should. But

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01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:14.439
<v Speaker 2>but the point, my point is that when anyone who's

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01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:17.920
<v Speaker 2>able to learn tomorrow and divide their day like the

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01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:22.640
<v Speaker 2>ramam says, he's already part of the elite they they

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01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:25.399
<v Speaker 2>never imagined something where the masses would have an English

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01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:27.439
<v Speaker 2>translation and can sit there and be exposed to it.

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01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Anyone who's able to learn tomorrow is already part of

1305
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.159
<v Speaker 2>the elite, so they're able to be brought in to

1306
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.720
<v Speaker 2>this inner circle. D Ramam also says that the elites

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01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:39.840
<v Speaker 2>are supposed to learn philosophy as well. Is that for

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01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:42.279
<v Speaker 2>every is that for the masses. When you reach the

1309
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:45.680
<v Speaker 2>level you're supposed to learn Talmud, that includes my Summerkova,

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01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:53.119
<v Speaker 2>my sebiratis, that's not for the masses either. That that's

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01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:57.439
<v Speaker 2>my only point that that the masses, I think they

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01:17:57.520 --> 01:17:59.920
<v Speaker 2>thought that this a lot of the stuff in he

1313
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Or is not for the masses. When the masses reach

1314
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:04.680
<v Speaker 2>the level that they can learn Gamara, then they're not

1315
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the masses anymore. Today we have an interesting situation where

1316
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:10.880
<v Speaker 2>the masses are learning Gamora. So you tell me, Mike

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01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.039
<v Speaker 2>that the Rama says you're supposed to spend your time,

1318
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:16.119
<v Speaker 2>but that we're not dealing with the masses now, we're

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01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:20.119
<v Speaker 2>dealing with people who already can learn. But just like

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01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:21.920
<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna go tell the Rob says that you're

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01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:24.760
<v Speaker 2>supposed to study included in Gamarra by the way, you

1322
01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:27.920
<v Speaker 2>have I mean he's talking about you have to Madama,

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01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.039
<v Speaker 2>mils and milsa. These are not the masses. That's my point.

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01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:33.760
<v Speaker 2>It's only it's not for the masses. Matt Lewin says

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01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:35.640
<v Speaker 2>that his father had a doctorate from the University of

1326
01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:37.760
<v Speaker 2>a Loove, but he never attended any class. You had

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01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:40.399
<v Speaker 2>it in Germany. Also, you had people in Germany who

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01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:42.159
<v Speaker 2>go to university, let's seem ber Win, and then they

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01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:44.199
<v Speaker 2>want to write a doctor dissertation. I go to Heidelberg

1330
01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:46.079
<v Speaker 2>and they speak to a professor and they submit it

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01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:49.199
<v Speaker 2>there and sixty pages and then it's published and they

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01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:53.680
<v Speaker 2>have a doctorate from Well, next week, Mike, I'll get

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01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:56.319
<v Speaker 2>back to this topic because it's getting late. Over the

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01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Rambam on the of you could say, I have any

1335
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:02.720
<v Speaker 2>and what do I mean? Let me just make one

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01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:04.640
<v Speaker 2>say one more thing about that. I just want to

1337
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.359
<v Speaker 2>pull up the rambam and say what I mean. And

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01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:12.039
<v Speaker 2>and with this what the Rumbam says in the end

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01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:17.079
<v Speaker 2>of chapter four in hilhos uh is so de ha

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01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:28.239
<v Speaker 2>tora is you know, be better. Let me wake you

1341
01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:30.600
<v Speaker 2>next week where I can. I'll have it here. I'll

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01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:32.560
<v Speaker 2>start with that next week and then I'll get to

1343
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the anti Zionist letter. Uh. By the way, what I'm saying,

1344
01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:39.439
<v Speaker 2>really it's not even with the Rumbum, because even if

1345
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.000
<v Speaker 2>what you're saying is correct, I'm saying what the sages

1346
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:44.319
<v Speaker 2>the talm would thought. That's my theory. But I'm gonna

1347
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.199
<v Speaker 2>make the claim that the Rama does not disagree with

1348
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:50.000
<v Speaker 2>this as well. But we will. We'll pick up with

1349
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:52.159
<v Speaker 2>that next week. I'll make a note of that. And uh,

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01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:56.119
<v Speaker 2>it's it's not uh, it's not It's not Dayra here.

1351
01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:59.600
<v Speaker 2>It's just a thought I've had over the years about

1352
01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:02.880
<v Speaker 2>seeing some things. So if you don't accept it, it's

1353
01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:06.439
<v Speaker 2>okay with that. I'll see some of you, hopefully on

1354
01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Thursday night.

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01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:11.840
<v Speaker 3>But I've often quoted by your comic. You've mentioned a

1356
01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:14.399
<v Speaker 3>few times on the Trips. I know that the Tumwinder

1357
01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:17.920
<v Speaker 3>is written by rabbis for rabbis, and like every piece

1358
01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:21.039
<v Speaker 3>of literature, lawyers write for lawyers, and that's how it works.

1359
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:24.600
<v Speaker 3>And that can explain I think a little bit on

1360
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:27.479
<v Speaker 3>some of the harshness of a language. I mean, you

1361
01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.399
<v Speaker 3>just touched upon, you know, the tip of the iceberg.

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01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:32.159
<v Speaker 3>Some of the language and the tim when you read

1363
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:34.399
<v Speaker 3>it and you want to like, it's unbelievable. And because

1364
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:37.359
<v Speaker 3>of Tafayomi correct now people get to see it before

1365
01:20:37.479 --> 01:20:38.359
<v Speaker 3>nobody would ever see this.

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01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:41.199
<v Speaker 2>And the Beni Schai says it's forbidden to translate this

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01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:44.039
<v Speaker 2>into the vernacular because we don't want the masses to

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01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:47.600
<v Speaker 2>see this. There's a whole stop more polemic against not

1369
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:52.680
<v Speaker 2>just Stmorrow, because others have written to Ramos's a whole

1370
01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:55.239
<v Speaker 2>polemic against art scroll and the point of this is

1371
01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that the masses are not supposed to warn Tomorrow, and

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01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:00.439
<v Speaker 2>they have I have a whole countriest but with all

1373
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.199
<v Speaker 2>these people write and it's saying that in Europe we

1374
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:05.239
<v Speaker 2>never taught the messes Gamora that arts girl was upslrugging

1375
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the entire system. The mass is supposed to do mishnaias

1376
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, simple things and that so uh,

1377
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:14.359
<v Speaker 2>this is a dispute in in the Haredi or the

1378
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Hasidic world because they don't want the messes to have

1379
01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:22.359
<v Speaker 2>access to it. The uh the Kits speaks against not

1380
01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:26.520
<v Speaker 2>because one of them speaks against translating works into a

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01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.399
<v Speaker 2>works into vernacular because then they won't need the rabbis anymore.

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01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:32.279
<v Speaker 2>So I'll but I'll get back to your point, Mike,

1383
01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:34.000
<v Speaker 2>because I do want to deal with the rum bumpers

1384
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:37.520
<v Speaker 2>that you cite from Sodiantowa. I think it's RK Gimmel

1385
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:39.359
<v Speaker 2>actually not about next week.

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01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I already said it. If you can't understand the mission

1387
01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:44.359
<v Speaker 3>buru and the original, you shouldn't be learning it. That's

1388
01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:47.479
<v Speaker 3>my if you I got the translation of short thing this,

1389
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:49.079
<v Speaker 3>But you can disagree with me, and.

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01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I'll just say one thing. Rev Schachter Uh, someone in

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01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:53.880
<v Speaker 2>my show asked and me. He gave a sher there

1392
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:56.680
<v Speaker 2>about ten years ago. So someone who's big into women's

1393
01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:59.680
<v Speaker 2>issues said to Rev. Schachter Rebby. He called him Rebby.

1394
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:01.399
<v Speaker 2>He was very respectful for it. To him, he says,

1395
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't one thing I can't accept. I know you've

1396
01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:06.880
<v Speaker 2>spoken often that women should be learning tomorrow. I don't

1397
01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.199
<v Speaker 2>accept that. How can you say that? Harv Schefter says,

1398
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:11.199
<v Speaker 2>when did I say only women learned? He says, I

1399
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:13.760
<v Speaker 2>don't think men should be learning tomorrow. That is correct.

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<v Speaker 3>I was read immersiaries here for four years and when

1401
01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:19.239
<v Speaker 3>we asked them once, I remember when it first came

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01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:21.479
<v Speaker 3>to year should women Lingmar said, why do you want

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01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:24.640
<v Speaker 3>to ruin the women's education right now, at least the

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<v Speaker 3>girls learned that what they learned, you know, homesh and

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<v Speaker 3>mahava and the boys their education is destroyed because all

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<v Speaker 3>they learned is kamara. The men have to learn everything

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<v Speaker 3>the women have to learn. Then if they're on the level,

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<v Speaker 3>they can also learn mar y ref. Schuckter often did

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<v Speaker 3>speak against this sort of Uh, kumar is not meant

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<v Speaker 3>for everybody. Yeah, you have to learn all the basics first,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to learn Kromish and all the other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. We obviously everyone has to learn Tomorrow. We have

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<v Speaker 2>teacher kids because that's the ultimate, and lady, you'll do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point is, if you're dealing with someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five years old has never had a Jewish education,

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<v Speaker 2>do we do we teach them? What re you? Safe

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<v Speaker 2>says he should learn halaka nackamara. So but well, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get back to this next week with the round bombick listen.

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<v Speaker 3>Intellectual history. That's a whole other interesting discussion, the trends

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<v Speaker 3>and intellectual history, what they're popular and maybe one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>years from them, nobody will learn daffiom anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe though everybody will learn. But it's these things go.

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<v Speaker 3>It took took nineteen hundred years for duffio Mee to

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<v Speaker 3>becoming even an idea that you know, it never existed

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<v Speaker 3>for nineteen hundred years. Anyways, Mark, please God, We'll see

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<v Speaker 3>you on Thursday night.

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