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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan on WBS Causton's new radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, everybody. I have a nice four hours of comfort,

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<v Speaker 2>fun and trolic plans for you. And before I go

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<v Speaker 2>any further, Nicole, thank you for plugging that I am

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<v Speaker 2>on tonight and I've enjoyed working with you this week.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got one more night, Nicola, you want tomorrow night

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it or not, AM off tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the last night we have together this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Darn it. And I'm sorry. I had a subject for

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow that I'm leading with that I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been great to incorporate you to start it off,

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<v Speaker 2>but that we're going to be talking about breakfast cereals

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<v Speaker 2>that we when we were kids. I love breakfast cereal

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<v Speaker 2>on corn call in.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I very well, mind, I'll give it my

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<v Speaker 3>best shot. You know the inside numbers and I know

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<v Speaker 3>the outside number two and I'll be traveling so I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be listening on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll give it a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to it. You take care and have

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<v Speaker 2>a good night. Likewise, my friend. All right, everybody, I've

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<v Speaker 2>promised you on Monday or last Thursday, I promised you

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<v Speaker 2>every time I try to fill in or we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>filling in for Dan Ray, which periodically happens, I promised

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<v Speaker 2>to get somebody that I've never had before, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is a good get. Pardon the grammar. You all used

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<v Speaker 2>to watch this show and the line that blurred between

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw on the TV screen and reality, and

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<v Speaker 2>this actress, because of the character she played on TV,

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<v Speaker 2>periodically was attacked, physically attacked, cut nasty letters from people,

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<v Speaker 2>all because of that little Nellie Olsen out on the prairie.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got Allison. I'm grim here, Allison, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>coming on. This is a true pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. I know I'm terrible. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>Nelly also is holding out on you. I just you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was running around carting people from hospitals to pharmacy

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<v Speaker 3>to back and going, oh my god, I'm never going

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<v Speaker 3>to make it out.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I'm not even I'm not even going to

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<v Speaker 2>go there. You're here now, and that's all that matters.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm here and here, I'm live. It's happening, and.

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<v Speaker 2>If people want to call in. Normally, the first segment

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<v Speaker 2>we take right after the news and go to about

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<v Speaker 2>quarter pass the hour, and after that I take phone calls.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give the phone number now because I

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<v Speaker 2>know that there are a cartload of people that would

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<v Speaker 2>love to say booty you Nelly Olsen six.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they should two.

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<v Speaker 2>Five four ten thirty or eight eight eight nine, two

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<v Speaker 2>nine ten thirty if you want to speak, I have

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<v Speaker 2>my producers speaking to make sure I give the right

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<v Speaker 2>phone number. And oh he does and he is a

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<v Speaker 2>fan of yours. I know you got to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>him as he called you to set you up. And

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you who don't clearly remember, her character

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<v Speaker 2>was the daughter of the woman that owned the general

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<v Speaker 2>store in town, and all kinds of storylines would grow

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<v Speaker 2>from little elementary age school Nellie Olsen and how she

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<v Speaker 2>interacted with the Ingles kids and the other kids in

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<v Speaker 2>the community, and trouble ensued every Monday night. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>been fifty years since that show came on our TV sets?

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<v Speaker 2>How does that feel when you hear that fifty years ago?

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<v Speaker 3>It is absolutely like mind blowing after just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>all of these years, if you had told us fifty

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<v Speaker 3>years ago that people were going to still be watching

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<v Speaker 3>the show, let alone discussing the show ad nauseum, being

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<v Speaker 3>excited about the show and coming to fans later. Never

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<v Speaker 3>in a million years, we didn't remember when we started

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<v Speaker 3>the show. We're in nineteen seventy four. We started the show.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no cable television, There were no DVDs. There

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<v Speaker 3>was no such thing as a VC or VHS tape.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a cable TV hadn't been invented yet. There

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<v Speaker 3>or three channels, and certainly there was no such thing

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<v Speaker 3>as streaming, et cetera, et cetera. We didn't know how

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<v Speaker 3>someone was going to watch the show fifty years from now,

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<v Speaker 3>let alone that they would.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to see it that night or wait five

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<v Speaker 2>six months later, maybe for the rerun of your favorite episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was it.

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<v Speaker 3>Summer reruns. Summer reruns, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>And then and then we had like they started doing stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>We're okay, there was enough of it. It made syndica,

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<v Speaker 3>you go best fives. Oh, now they can show it

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<v Speaker 3>like in the afternoons after school. That was like a

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<v Speaker 3>big jump that they did that. And then they invented

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<v Speaker 3>cable TV and suddenly we were on that. And then

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<v Speaker 3>they came out with VH and suddenly started selling TV

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<v Speaker 3>shows at VHS tapes like, oh my god, what is happening?

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<v Speaker 3>We had no idea, And I'm telling you it is

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<v Speaker 3>more popular now fifty years later than it was where

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<v Speaker 3>the damn thing was on. I mean, we are also floored.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to say this, when I mentioned that

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<v Speaker 2>you have been physically attacked, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>True, can you It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Stories for us real quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Before that, I mean, the dumbest thing I did was

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<v Speaker 3>go in costume once I was. It was for this

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<v Speaker 3>big charity thing for an Eastern fair, and Catherine McGregor

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<v Speaker 3>the Brilliant would have played missus Olsen. We were talked into,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yes, it'll be fun. I think somebody from the

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<v Speaker 3>network's kids went to the school. So we went in costume.

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<v Speaker 3>They got us all done up at the studio and

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<v Speaker 3>everything well, people were terrified of us. No one wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to autograph, no one would come near. And then two

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<v Speaker 3>little girls ran it behind me and kicked me in

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<v Speaker 3>the button, knocked me to the pavement. And then there

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<v Speaker 3>was a time I was in the Christmas parade. Mind you,

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<v Speaker 3>I was about sixteen at least I was older, and

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<v Speaker 3>I going down the street yelling Mary Christmas had a

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<v Speaker 3>great time, and someone threw a McDonald's cup of orange

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<v Speaker 3>soda at my face direct hit oh my goodness, and

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, of course, my reaction was like, you know, first, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well list it's not a beer bottle, so I'm not dead.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I was like, oh my god, this thing's

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<v Speaker 3>like half fold as a buck seventy five of centa left.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone's just so angry at the sight of me, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I still damn. I must be good doing something, right.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't go after Godzilla at s gwiff Nelly Elson

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<v Speaker 2>right right?

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<v Speaker 3>People were I thought, what am I doing? And it

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<v Speaker 3>did occur to me even at a young age, because

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<v Speaker 3>he came from a family of actors, went what am

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<v Speaker 3>I doing that? People think this is so real that

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<v Speaker 3>they're flipping out when they see me and doing crazy

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like this, What the hell did I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>And you're interpreting a writer's words on page, a director's

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<v Speaker 4>telling you do this, don't do that, but you were

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<v Speaker 4>doing it in such a way that you are tremendously convincing,

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<v Speaker 4>and thank.

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<v Speaker 3>You, thank you. I went all out. I did my best,

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<v Speaker 5>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take my break when we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to bring into the conversation your parents,

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<v Speaker 2>because your father managed people like Labaraci, Debbie Reynolds and

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<v Speaker 2>what can Chariton do for you? Miss Susan Antone, that

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<v Speaker 2>was one of her commercial lives. And aren't cloaky? How

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<v Speaker 2>many people raise your hands? If you know who are cloaky?

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<v Speaker 2>As people raise your hands, Nancy sitting next to me,

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<v Speaker 2>raise your rams. Aren't cloaky? Helped create Davy and Goliath,

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<v Speaker 2>Gumby and Pokey, and your mother was the voice to

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<v Speaker 2>Davy and Gumby can't and Casper the Friendly Ghost and Casper.

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<v Speaker 3>The Friendly Ghost and sweet pallidirr Bread Underdog's girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh where, oh where has my underdog guard? She had

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<v Speaker 2>to sing that every episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me she did, and she would do it. She

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<v Speaker 3>would do it for friends. My friends would go, could

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<v Speaker 3>your mom do? Could she do the voice? Could you

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<v Speaker 3>do the voice? She would go, where where is what?

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<v Speaker 3>She would do it? It was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me let me take my break. People, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call in, we're gonna have fun right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Alice yes and arm grim a r M. I am

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<v Speaker 2>is here, so come on give us a call. Six

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, I'm late eight seventeen sixty five degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Night Sike Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Alison arm Grim is my guest here. Remember Little House

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<v Speaker 2>on the Prairie. It's thing the fiftieth anniversary, nineteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 2>That show hit NBC and it just hang on and

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<v Speaker 2>people love it, loved it and do love it now.

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<v Speaker 2>And my producer just told me my headphones there are

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<v Speaker 2>stations dedicated to a single show twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 2>All they do is a show. Now, Rob said, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a network that plays Happy Days of Vernon Shirley all

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<v Speaker 2>the way through. But there are I'm gonna say, there's

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<v Speaker 2>at least a station that does nothing but show Little

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<v Speaker 2>House on the Prairie morning, noon and night.

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<v Speaker 3>This is true. This is the one that just blows

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<v Speaker 3>our minds, all of us in the show. So you've

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<v Speaker 3>got your channels that show a lot of Little House

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<v Speaker 3>and a few other shows here, the Hallmark, Cozy TV,

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<v Speaker 3>me TV, I those a Little House and like and

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<v Speaker 3>the Waltons and nn but there's a Little House like

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<v Speaker 3>Mad the Marathons, but now with Roku and all and

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<v Speaker 3>Pluto and all of these things, there is an all

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<v Speaker 3>Little House all the time. And I think there's now

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<v Speaker 3>at least two of them that are literally all only

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<v Speaker 3>show episode of the Little House in the Prayer. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it streams on Amazon, you can order it on

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<v Speaker 3>the streaming networks. But there's a couple where literally this

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<v Speaker 3>Little House in the Prey all the time, twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>hours a day, seven seven days, three week.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. And you know I had one of

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<v Speaker 2>your co stars on roughly four weeks ago. I had

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<v Speaker 2>Dean Butler on he as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Was we lovely. We loved Deane.

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<v Speaker 2>He was talking about fifty years of Little House. How

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<v Speaker 2>were you chosen? I know, anything and everything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with that show went through Michael Landon would every single

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<v Speaker 2>half there was to wear on that show. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about how you get chosen to be Nelly?

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<v Speaker 3>I it was so incredible. We had you know Susan

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<v Speaker 3>who was a Susie Suckman and later married Kent McCray,

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<v Speaker 3>a Producerus McCrae, and you know Kate McCrae produced an

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<v Speaker 3>ed friend Lee, who had first tried to make a

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<v Speaker 3>show in the books than Michael Lenna. So I go in, God,

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<v Speaker 3>I was about love it, and I read for the

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<v Speaker 3>part of Laura, and I read for the part of Mary.

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<v Speaker 3>I think everyone did. I used to call out the

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<v Speaker 3>search of Scarlett O'Hara for eight year olds, so everybody

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<v Speaker 3>hears this. I go in and I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know I'm a kid actor. I go to

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<v Speaker 3>auditions all the time. I go, well, that was nice,

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<v Speaker 3>And I start reading and these three grown men are

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<v Speaker 3>And they said, could you do it again? Please? And

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<v Speaker 2>And Nellie never understood that in the run of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I walked out the door and they were like done, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>As maybe Harlan told you, I hit thirty eight states.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, Hi Morgan, Hey Allison, it's a pleasure to speak

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<v Speaker 5>with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm fine, thank you. As Morgan mentioned, he had Dean

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<v Speaker 5>speak with him. So now I've got you, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>an extreme pleasure. And I'm also pleased to remind you

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<v Speaker 5>that I was a while I am a resident of

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<v Speaker 5>the state of Michigan, and we were pleased to have

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<v Speaker 5>Melissa Gilbert as a fellow resident for about four or

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<v Speaker 5>five years. She I know, I know. She lives in

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<v Speaker 5>a town where my daughter lived in time Howell, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 5>And were you ever out to see her over there?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sadly no, she took off to the Catskills before

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<v Speaker 3>I could get over there. But the pictures at that

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<v Speaker 3>little house on the lake, oh my god, it's fabulous.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was hopeful, you know, to run into her

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<v Speaker 5>sometime and I could tell my daughter, Rachel. I said,

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<v Speaker 5>it's half pint. I never got that opportunity, never got

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<v Speaker 5>that opportunity. But anyway, I just wanted to congratulate you

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<v Speaker 5>on the job that you did on that show. And

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<v Speaker 5>I saw you on an interview with a fellow. His

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<v Speaker 5>name was Anthony, and one of the things that you

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<v Speaker 5>not as a you know, with a tutor on set,

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<v Speaker 7>How were you able to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Though though not everyone follows the rules, they did on

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<v Speaker 3>the set of Little House, they followed the code, and

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<v Speaker 3>the code in California was if you were under eighteen,

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<v Speaker 3>And during those nine hours it was three hours of school,

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<v Speaker 3>It was still very difficult because you'd bring your work

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<v Speaker 3>was seven out of thirteen episodes. So I would come

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<v Speaker 3>to them say, Okay, I'm in next week's episodes. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>exams and all of this. But it was still difficult

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<v Speaker 3>because I'd leave and go, Okay, I know I need

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<v Speaker 3>to get from page nine to page thirty two, but

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<v Speaker 3>the lectures, it's like really difficult. I slogged through, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I'd come back to school too. It was It

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<v Speaker 3>was great because I had friends I'd had my god

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<v Speaker 3>since the third grade, who I knew in junior high

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<v Speaker 3>in high school, who knew me as me long before

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<v Speaker 3>I got Little House, and they just didn't care. They would, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>Alison got a job. They were Hollywood kids, people got

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<v Speaker 3>jobs on TV. They went, oh, that's nice. I'd actually

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<v Speaker 3>they'd say that's good. And then they kept me caught

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<v Speaker 3>up on like who was dating who, and who'd broken

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<v Speaker 3>up and who took her to the dance because that

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<v Speaker 3>was the important news.

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<v Speaker 5>Naturally, Matt, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And man, I hate to do it. I'm already late

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<v Speaker 2>to my news hits. So thank you for coming again.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, good evening, Allison. Keep by the great work and

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<v Speaker 5>the partners speaking with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care of Allison. Let me do my news hit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be right back, I promise, and uh, Peter in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, you will be next, I promise you. With

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Armgrim here, I'm busy with the time and temperature

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<v Speaker 2>eight thirty one sixty five degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read this off stage. She's an activist

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<v Speaker 2>for AIDS, also on the board for the National Advisory

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<v Speaker 2>Board of the National Association to Protect Children, giving children

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<v Speaker 2>a legal and political voice in the war against child abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Armgrim is here from Little House on the Prairie

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<v Speaker 2>and I was told to tell you hello by mister

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<v Speaker 2>William Keck.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Oh, he's he's such a terror. He has a

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<v Speaker 3>book out though he's marvelous, where he's confessed to everything

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<v Speaker 3>he has. He has begged all everyone's forgiveness for everything

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<v Speaker 3>he did at a national.

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<v Speaker 2>And he mentioned that he was on a show with

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<v Speaker 2>you and you apologize. No, he apologized to you and

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<v Speaker 2>you accepted his apology.

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<v Speaker 3>Did We had a complete, complete, like throwdown on my

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<v Speaker 3>show because he said he's on this like forgiveness work.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically it's kind of hilarious. But I said, okay, here's

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<v Speaker 3>what happened. He's like, oh my god, okay, I am

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<v Speaker 3>officially sorry. As he said, yeah, the National inquire mentality

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<v Speaker 3>and he was in this whole zone with the tabloids

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<v Speaker 3>and they asked him to do outlandish things because a

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<v Speaker 3>page true when they worked for the Inquirer is and

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<v Speaker 3>he has now lived to regret many of the things

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<v Speaker 3>he did at the time. And yes, we've we completely

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<v Speaker 3>kissed and made up.

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<v Speaker 2>He was armed with me Monday and he was on

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<v Speaker 2>the first hour eight and you obviously you know you

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<v Speaker 2>this hello from three days ago. It would have made

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<v Speaker 3>But still but still, yes, we we we have fully

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<v Speaker 3>forgiven William. We shook and made up.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell I promised Peter and New York he

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<v Speaker 2>could be next. So Peter, you've got Allison.

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<v Speaker 7>Allison, Michael. Did you know Michael Wandon's nickname?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well, because his full real name was Eugene Maurice Rowitz,

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<v Speaker 3>and they called him movie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 7>My friend Hebrew school with him, and she, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Because when he would win, they would you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>had football betting pools on those guys had bet on

421
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<v Speaker 3>everything him in the crew and I even bought a

422
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<v Speaker 3>square once in a while, and he won and they

423
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<v Speaker 3>took his cash and they put in a bag and

424
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<v Speaker 3>they hung it from the ceiling with a note saying

425
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<v Speaker 3>for Oogie and told him to jump up and get

426
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<v Speaker 3>it because he kept winning all the time.

427
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<v Speaker 7>They got mad.

428
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<v Speaker 6>And Walgan.

429
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<v Speaker 7>I got another story for you. You mentioned Casper the

430
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<v Speaker 7>Friendly Ghost. Yes, indeed, that was my uncle, Myron Woltman's cartoon.

431
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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, did he started it? Because my mom came

432
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<v Speaker 3>in around they were you know, it started wearing TV

433
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<v Speaker 3>in Josh Like Well movies the thirties, and then in

434
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<v Speaker 3>TV in the fifties, sixties and in the nineteen sixties.

435
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<v Speaker 3>Really all through the late fifties, sixties, early seventies. My

436
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<v Speaker 3>mom was the voice all the Hanna Barbera ones, all

437
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<v Speaker 3>the Harvey tunes.

438
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<v Speaker 2>That's all my mom, and if I'm not mistaken, it

439
00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:58.960
<v Speaker 2>was a comic book first and then a cartoon on

440
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<v Speaker 2>TV and movie.

441
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<v Speaker 3>Some of the comments.

442
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<v Speaker 7>He was also the first animator at Fleischer Studios.

443
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<v Speaker 2>It was a comic book.

444
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have the comedy.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Casper Baby he we all those were under the title

446
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<v Speaker 2>of Harvey Casper the Friendly Ghost, the Friendly Ghost. Do

447
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<v Speaker 2>you know, though grown up to might look at him

448
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<v Speaker 2>in fright, the children all love him.

449
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<v Speaker 7>So I could do the whole thing word for word

450
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<v Speaker 7>do you have the album?

451
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<v Speaker 1>Do you have that?

452
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<v Speaker 3>There's a they put out a cast musical album and

453
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<v Speaker 3>it's basically my mom and one guy playing a cast

454
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<v Speaker 3>of thousands because you know, cartoons, and it's available. You

455
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<v Speaker 3>can get it like on Amazon's It's like it's out there.

456
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<v Speaker 3>It's totally out there and get the CD or downloaded.

457
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<v Speaker 3>And it's this hilarious album of all these that like

458
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<v Speaker 3>it's a giant musical extravaganza with my mom and this

459
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<v Speaker 3>guy playing all these you know, Casper and the Ghostly

460
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<v Speaker 3>Trio and Nightmare and Wendy and my mother has one

461
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<v Speaker 3>song called I'm Boo Boo the Beautiful Ghost where she

462
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<v Speaker 3>does like a marily Monroe ghost, freaking hysterical. I've not

463
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<v Speaker 3>heard that Casper album is out there. You must get

464
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<v Speaker 3>it's right.

465
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<v Speaker 2>He always says hello, He's really glad to meet you

466
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<v Speaker 2>wherever he may go. He's kind to every living understand

467
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<v Speaker 2>why children love him the most because the kids don't

468
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<v Speaker 2>know that he loves them. So Casper the Friendly Ghost.

469
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<v Speaker 2>I had to get that out. I'm sorry.

470
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<v Speaker 3>That's it's terrifying things imprinted imprinted on our minds.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, Peter, A lot of voices she.

472
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<v Speaker 3>Did, she did, She did Casper and she with Casper

473
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<v Speaker 3>things she did do Wendy, Nightmare, Spooky, and then she

474
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<v Speaker 3>was Davy and Davy's mom, Davy's sister, Davy's friends, and

475
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<v Speaker 3>then Gumby, and then she was also Goo when they

476
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<v Speaker 3>brought in Prickle and Goo, and she was in a

477
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<v Speaker 3>bunch of other cartoons. And then so she's Gumby and

478
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<v Speaker 3>Casper and Uh Davy and then Sweet and then she

479
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<v Speaker 3>did some other cartoons and she was on the first

480
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<v Speaker 3>Family album.

481
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<v Speaker 7>That's great, Alice.

482
00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:12.359
<v Speaker 3>In Wonderland in Paris, which is a darling little cartoon.

483
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<v Speaker 3>She did that.

484
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<v Speaker 7>That's great.

485
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.319
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell both of you. The first person that

486
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:20.359
<v Speaker 2>I ever interviewed on the radio in nineteen eighty was

487
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<v Speaker 2>Dows Butler, who was for Hannah Marbera. So many voices,

488
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<v Speaker 2>Yogi and Hock and Hoki Wolf.

489
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<v Speaker 3>My mom worked with him like crazy. She loved Does Dog.

490
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<v Speaker 2>I loved Does as well. He was He was supposed

491
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<v Speaker 2>to come on for one hour. He wound up doing

492
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<v Speaker 2>three hours with me.

493
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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

494
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<v Speaker 3>He also in Little House we had Chuck McCann who

495
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<v Speaker 3>was one of the great voices. Yeah, of course he

496
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<v Speaker 3>played a deaf mute on Little House. But there you

497
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<v Speaker 3>are go.

498
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Figure, you couldn't take advantage of Chuck McCann's character characterizations

499
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<v Speaker 2>in his voice.

500
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<v Speaker 3>I know he played it, and you know he did

501
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.519
<v Speaker 3>that a lot. He did a lot of voiceover, but

502
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 3>many of the characters he played on camera did not speak.

503
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<v Speaker 2>He was in the medicine chest. Somebody brought this up

504
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.039
<v Speaker 2>on my show the other day. That was right guard commercials,

505
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Hi guy, Hi guy.

506
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:11.160
<v Speaker 3>The medicine chest.

507
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<v Speaker 2>There was strack, my can Oh my goodness, Peter, Thank

508
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<v Speaker 2>you for the call.

509
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<v Speaker 7>Thank you, have a nice night, keep it up.

510
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the time and some of those stories.

511
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Grutten and speak with Mike. Mike,

512
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<v Speaker 2>you've got Alison Armgrim here on night Side.

513
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<v Speaker 8>Well, hello Morgan, and hello Alison. Wonderful to speak with you.

514
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<v Speaker 8>I am also I'm Morgan's producer, and Morgan notes this,

515
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<v Speaker 8>I am twenty four years old. Biggest fan of the show,

516
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.960
<v Speaker 8>you know, for someone my you know, just super fan.

517
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:49.599
<v Speaker 7>Amazing.

518
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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, I always say we're on like our seventh

519
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:54.759
<v Speaker 3>generation of viewers. It's just incredible. But I love it

520
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:56.960
<v Speaker 3>when I meet people in their teens and twenties who

521
00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 3>say Oh, yes, I watched Little House of the Bird's Great.

522
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Mike produces my show. I have a show separate

523
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>on Saturday nights. This week I'm filling in for the

524
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:09.079
<v Speaker 2>night side host Dan Ray. But my show has been

525
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<v Speaker 2>on busy for years and years and I do Saturday

526
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<v Speaker 2>nights and Mike is my producer then and he does

527
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:19.680
<v Speaker 2>an excellent job and he as the theater bug. Maybe

528
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<v Speaker 2>you two should speak about.

529
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 8>It's something I definitely, yeah, want to pursue on some level,

530
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<v Speaker 8>you know, and I love radio, so finding a way

531
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<v Speaker 8>to sort of combine both of those things. But Alison,

532
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.519
<v Speaker 8>my question for you, so I have so many favorite

533
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 8>moments of the show. I wanted, you know, because I

534
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:46.359
<v Speaker 8>listened to your book and you know, love the podcast.

535
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 8>Could you just break down a little bit into the

536
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.559
<v Speaker 8>wheelchair going down the hill scene because I think, you know,

537
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<v Speaker 8>as someone watching that show, now like how did they

538
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<v Speaker 8>let that happen?

539
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:05.319
<v Speaker 3>So it was amazing. Now there was a stunt woman involved,

540
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 3>as they explained in the book, it was it was

541
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 3>actually a feat of editing. So they first I'm in

542
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 3>the chair and there's a steel cable on the back

543
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and they start to let it go down the hill.

544
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.000
<v Speaker 3>So she has a shot of me going wait what, Oh,

545
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 3>you're such a good friend, Alley, and it starts good

546
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 3>and they stops it. Then a very well trained professional

547
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.079
<v Speaker 3>stunt woman puts on the wig in the ninety and

548
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.279
<v Speaker 3>she does that thing when she goes bouncing out. She

549
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 3>does that like somersault in midair into the pond. I

550
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 3>definitely get to them. Then they take me to a

551
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 3>different hill. It was actually over by the little house,

552
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 3>because we're had the area of Seaeye Valley, Big Sky

553
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.240
<v Speaker 3>Ranch before we shot where the town isn't he go

554
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:44.920
<v Speaker 3>up the road about a mile in it's a little house.

555
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.079
<v Speaker 3>So we went over there and there was a hill

556
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 3>and it was like longer but much less steep because

557
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 3>the hill by the mill it's straight down. It is

558
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 3>straight down. It's like, I don't know how that woman

559
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 3>survived that fall. So they take me that hill which

560
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 3>is longer or less steep, put me in the chair

561
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.680
<v Speaker 3>and just say go. There's nothing stopping the chair. They've

562
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 3>got a camera on a track. Follow the cameras on

563
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 3>a track. I'm not on a track, and I'm in

564
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 3>a nightgown and a wig, and well not even the

565
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:13.599
<v Speaker 3>way because they did you know it was my hair

566
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<v Speaker 3>because I just had the nightcap and curls. So I'm

567
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:20.440
<v Speaker 3>in a nightgown, bedroom, slippers, underwear and nothing else. I

568
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 3>have no seat belt, safety equipment, no padding, nothing, And

569
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 3>I had a real broken arm because I had managed

570
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.680
<v Speaker 3>to break my risk skateboarding. So the eighteen hundreds cast

571
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 3>is over the fake cast. So I've got a real

572
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.960
<v Speaker 3>broken arm and I am bouncing completely out of control

573
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 3>with no seatbelt or safety equipment down this rocky hill

574
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 3>in this antique wooden wheelchair, hanging on for dear life. No,

575
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm screaming bloody murder. I did not no acting required,

576
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, holy wrap, how am I going to

577
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>get through this? And I get them They go those great,

578
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 3>can we do it again? I'm like, you want to

579
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.839
<v Speaker 3>do it again? As they did again, and they were like, going, oh,

580
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 3>the rope broke, trying to scare me. I'm like, I

581
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>don't please. The rope wasn't holding anything any way, you guys.

582
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.440
<v Speaker 3>So I get through this and then we go to

583
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<v Speaker 3>the pond where the woman had landed, and they have

584
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 3>me get in the nighty and the thing get into

585
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 3>the pond. Now, remember I have a real cast, and

586
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 3>this was the you know, plaster cast of the day,

587
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 3>so I had to They had the plastics and they

588
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:21.880
<v Speaker 3>had the wood and the thing over And what they

589
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:23.359
<v Speaker 3>did is I then put the cast and put the

590
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 3>plastic trash bag over my cast it wouldn't get wet,

591
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 3>taped it up, then put the eighteen hundred spandages in

592
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:32.400
<v Speaker 3>wood over that, and then got in the water so

593
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.960
<v Speaker 3>it looked up. They had a trash bag on and

594
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:36.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting in the pond and it's so dirty and

595
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 3>there's algae floating on the top. And Michael linn And

596
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 3>says to me, give a swimming pool at your apartment.

597
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.440
<v Speaker 3>And I said, no, no, I don't, and he says, well,

598
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:50.599
<v Speaker 3>after this, you can swim in your toilet. It's not clean.

599
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 3>And so I did the thing where I put my

600
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 3>face down and come up spitting. And they edited all

601
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<v Speaker 3>this together to the point that people go, I saw

602
00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 3>you go down, and the wheel chair I could. And

603
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 3>the same episode, remember I'd run face first on the

604
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.160
<v Speaker 3>horse into a tree branch. Right again, brilliant freaking editing.

605
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm never on that horse. I'm standing on a ladder,

606
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 3>hitting the ladder with the riding crop the horse is

607
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 3>off having a cigarette. You know, the horse is fine.

608
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Nobody's doing anything but the horse. Horse is totally fine.

609
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 3>Fake in the whole thing. And when you see the stunt,

610
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:22.920
<v Speaker 3>lady dresses me on the horse and the horse is

611
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 3>rearing up, and you hear the horse screaming. People like that,

612
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:29.319
<v Speaker 3>poor horse. The horse screaming are special effects that were

613
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 3>put in later in the recording studio. The woman is

614
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 3>on the horse and the only sound you heard when

615
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.680
<v Speaker 3>she did that was up, and the horse would go

616
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 3>up as you go, good boy, okay, up again. Literally

617
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 3>they're doing that, and then they put it so it

618
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.400
<v Speaker 3>looked like this terrible thing is happening like nothing. So

619
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<v Speaker 3>they put me. I'm sitting on a box going like

620
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<v Speaker 3>Gidea up, and these two guys are holding a piece

621
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<v Speaker 3>of plexiglass in front of my face and I pretend

622
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.759
<v Speaker 3>like gide up, gideaop, bouncing and then on cue, a

623
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<v Speaker 3>third guy swings a tree branch even to the plexiglass,

624
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 3>at which point I go oh and fall over.

625
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>And that's the magic of folly people and editors, and

626
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 2>I can.

627
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 3>Watch that footage and goo damn, that looks like I

628
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 3>just went face first new treat branch. It looks so good,

629
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<v Speaker 3>and I mean there were windexing the thing, so there's

630
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<v Speaker 3>no like marks of the plexiglass. This is nineteen seventies technology.

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<v Speaker 3>We had no CGI, there was no way to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is nineteen seventies technology and editing, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>freaking brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Mike, you know, Mike No by being a producer

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<v Speaker 2>that I am well beyond my break time.

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<v Speaker 8>So I'm going to be done. All right, I'll speak

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<v Speaker 8>with you, Alison.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll speak you on Saturday night. And Rob, I am

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry for being this late for my break time

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<v Speaker 2>and temperature here on night Side eight forty eight, and Dennis,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be next, I promise. After Reese take our break

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<v Speaker 2>time and temperature again, eighty eight sixty five degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guests here at night Side, Allison, I'm grim and

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<v Speaker 2>she has a one woman show, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>tippy toe around one of the words in the title. Allison,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta remember I'm on AM radio confessional of a

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<v Speaker 2>Prairie witch. Take out, take out the W and put

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<v Speaker 2>in the B. Okay, and this is on a national

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<v Speaker 2>tour and it as well is the name of her book.

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<v Speaker 2>And did you get in any trouble when you put

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<v Speaker 2>that title on your book?

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<v Speaker 7>I did not.

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<v Speaker 3>When I came went to Harper Collins with that title,

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<v Speaker 3>and they said, best damn title anybody's brought in all week. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>they thought it was great. They were like, this, this

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<v Speaker 3>is fat, this will sell. And it's true because people

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<v Speaker 3>who came into the store. There were people who bought

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<v Speaker 3>it because he knew who I was, or people bought

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<v Speaker 3>it he knew. But Little House and the Prairie Nellielson,

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<v Speaker 3>And there were people who came into the store and said,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a hot pink cover with this face and the

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<v Speaker 3>B word on it. I need to copy that book

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 6>It's so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it was as people went yet that's pretty accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she was the Prairie I being okay, confessions

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<v Speaker 3>of it. And the only time I remember, we were

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<v Speaker 3>at in Minnesota, Wisconsin, at one of the sort of

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<v Speaker 3>prairie sites. They said, okay, we have a gift shop.

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<v Speaker 3>We sell a lot of stuff here, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we are out here in the country and not sure

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<v Speaker 3>what the title like, obviously want to sell your book.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you die if we covered just that part of

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<v Speaker 3>the cover like on the display rack? I said no,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean people know what it is, they'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, do what you have to do, they said. Finally,

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<v Speaker 3>the woman the said, Okay, rather than sit here and

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<v Speaker 3>feel I'm censoring something stickering the cover of their book,

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<v Speaker 3>let me put several of the books on the counter

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<v Speaker 3>next to the cash register for three days and see

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<v Speaker 3>if people complain or what the her comments are.

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<v Speaker 1>And she did.

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<v Speaker 3>She put them in full view, uncensored, and phone the

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<v Speaker 3>cash register and waited and people came up to the counter,

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<v Speaker 3>looked at it, did a double take and then started

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<v Speaker 3>laughing hysterically. She had like one person go oh my.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when she said, well it sounds who played,

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<v Speaker 3>she goes, oh, well, she was, I mean that's accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>And she at no point did anyone say oh my god, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't have that out there. That's bad. Why A

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<v Speaker 3>couple of people express shock, and then they went well

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<v Speaker 3>it is. Nellie al said okay, well that's totally accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>And you you you used that word a half hour

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<v Speaker 2>ago when you talked about going into the original reading.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's I mean, it's true, She's awful. And then

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<v Speaker 3>of course you know, I mean, my god, I tried

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<v Speaker 3>to go about my business at school. In the first

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<v Speaker 3>day at school, I get yelled at. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what people started calling me. And I was like, Wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is really gonna stick. I guess, I guess this

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<v Speaker 3>is my new nickname.

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<v Speaker 7>Yike, let me take let me take one run with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so let me take this last call, because had

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<v Speaker 2>been holding for about fifteen minutes four things, so I

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<v Speaker 2>can say two or three minutes for Dennis and Lowe.

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<v Speaker 2>You were nervous. Dennis. You didn't think I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring you into the conversation, did you No?

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<v Speaker 6>Morgan, but you always do me great favors, good evening, Morgan,

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<v Speaker 6>and Allison, great stories, Allison. Love it. My question for you,

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<v Speaker 6>I was a big football fan and I was wondering

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<v Speaker 6>about your relationship with Merlin Olson fourteen year old remember

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<v Speaker 6>of the Los Angeles Rams, fearsome fulsome I was wondering, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I was wondering what type of relationship you might have

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<v Speaker 6>had with Merlin Olsen.

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<v Speaker 3>Merlin was a wonderful person. And yes for your football fans. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 3>Merlin and Rosie Greer in the Gang the fearsome force

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<v Speaker 3>in daily rams, and he was the least fearsome person

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<v Speaker 3>you could possibly meet in person. He was so sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, when you say gentle giant, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 3>the guy. He was big, and Michael liked that because

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Michael Anna was quite short. He was all

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<v Speaker 3>the side, very cute, very adorable. Want to pick him up,

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<v Speaker 3>put him in your pocket. And he liked the idea

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<v Speaker 3>of having Charles's friend, this enormous guy who towered over

728
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<v Speaker 3>and he said, oh this is this is hilarious, and

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<v Speaker 3>they went all out with that. Well, Merlin shows up

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<v Speaker 3>and he's so quiet and so just sensible and sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>And we kids adored him because we would go we

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<v Speaker 3>would watch him eat at lunchtime. We get in line

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<v Speaker 3>and we'd all get a lunch dead wonderful catered food

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<v Speaker 3>on locations and of course to brun enough to have

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<v Speaker 3>enough calories for him to just even like breathe. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of food. He ate very healthy, had huge

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<v Speaker 3>salad and then some kind of protein chicken. He ate

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<v Speaker 3>very healthy. But my god, that was a lot of food,

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<v Speaker 3>and we kids would line up and we'd follow him

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<v Speaker 3>to his table and we'd sit down and next to

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<v Speaker 3>him and watch, and he's like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>We just want to see if you're really going to

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<v Speaker 3>eat all that?

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<v Speaker 2>That was your lunchtime entertainment to watch Merlin.

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<v Speaker 3>Is Merlin seriously going to eat all that? We would

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<v Speaker 3>literally sit there and watch him eat lunch because we

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't believe the exactly and he did very quiet, Lincoln,

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<v Speaker 3>he was very sweet. We just adored him. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when Michael died, it was Merlin who presided over his

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<v Speaker 3>whole funeral. Into the eulogy. There was a rabbi, many

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<v Speaker 3>people spoke, but it was it was Merlin who really

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<v Speaker 3>ran the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just incredible, all right, Dennis, I got to let

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<v Speaker 2>you go.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, So thank you for your car. Thank you, Thank

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<v Speaker 7>you Alison, great guy, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have tremendous energy. I wish I could go see your

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<v Speaker 2>One Woman Joe tomorrow if we're playing here.

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<v Speaker 3>It was great fun, great fun. We just I just

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<v Speaker 3>did San Francisco and it was a smash.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever come to Boston?

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<v Speaker 3>I do you know? I was just in Provincetown, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks ago and was a smash there,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have performed in Boston, and I love Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>I have friends. Okay, shout out in Boston to Howie Green.

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<v Speaker 8>Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>Howie Halloween has a company called Howie Green Design. He

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<v Speaker 3>is an artist and he's done He's done some art

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<v Speaker 3>for the city of Boston. There's been some murals for

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<v Speaker 3>the city and miss the ballpark and whatnot. That's all

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<v Speaker 3>Howie stuff. He's marvelous and he teaches art, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I often stay with him when I'm in Boston. So

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<v Speaker 3>we love Boston. I have many, many friends from Boston,

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<v Speaker 3>and I do try to go there whenever I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Alison, thank you very much. Tell Harlan that I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>we stuck with this. You were a home run for

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<v Speaker 2>me and I will have you on again, probably in

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<v Speaker 2>the fall, I promise.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Go get a lobster roll for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh please. Now you and I are best friends, Alison,

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<v Speaker 2>get a.

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<v Speaker 3>Good lobster roll. Get a good lobster all.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, Allison, I'm grim everybody, Alison, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>News is next year. Bus's the night Side Time? Oh

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<v Speaker 2>good Grief eight fifty nine sixty five degrees
