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Speaker 1: So, guys, today we're gonna be having a roundtable on
Speaker 1: Gog and Magog and then you know, in the end,
Speaker 1: maybe we could do like a little Battle of Armageddon,
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. But yeah, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a roundtable and I'll basically just we're having a
Speaker 1: discussion just like we normally do. And the first question
Speaker 1: would be, so Gog and Magog war is found in
Speaker 1: Ezekiel thirty eight and thirty nine, and also in Revelation
Speaker 1: twenty verses seven through ten. Is there one Gog and
Speaker 1: Magog war or is there two? And if so, what's
Speaker 1: the difference between the two wars? I could start out
Speaker 1: with Ali first and then we go from there.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, great question.
Speaker 6: So you know, this is the way I look at
Speaker 6: it is that the Hebrew prophetic poetry is based on
Speaker 6: a system of pattern, a pattern prophecies pattern, Chuck Messer
Speaker 6: used to say, meaning that the Greek mind looks for
Speaker 6: a linear fulfillment. Everything in scripture has only one single fulfillment,
Speaker 6: and you look for that. But the Hebrew mind that's
Speaker 6: behind the scriptures is more like a spiral, something that
Speaker 6: speaks even to the setting of the life of the prophet,
Speaker 6: that now begins the process of pattern and has an
Speaker 6: ultimate fulfillment.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: So this the fact that you know God exists in
Speaker 6: after the millennial Kingdom, and for those who believe like
Speaker 6: I do, that there's going to be a literal millennial
Speaker 6: kingdom on the earth and that it exists, this enemy
Speaker 6: exists also before the second coming of the Lord.
Speaker 3: Tells me first of all that there is.
Speaker 6: A spiritual hand behind this war. It telegraphs that to me,
Speaker 6: and that this spiritual hand is going to exist now
Speaker 6: and is going to exist again at the after a
Speaker 6: thousand years. There is an interesting passage in Amos seven
Speaker 6: to one especially if you read it in the septuagen
Speaker 6: which is the you know, the Greek translation of the
Speaker 6: Old Testament done by these rabbis. It's got a very
Speaker 6: interesting story behind it, but it was a well respected
Speaker 6: translation of scripture used, it was authoritative. Amus seven to
Speaker 6: one says, thus, has the Lord God showed me? And
Speaker 6: behold a swarm of locusts coming from the east, And
Speaker 6: behold one caterpillar, king Gog, one cat So it places
Speaker 6: Gog as the head the locusts, which you know may
Speaker 6: tie to Revelation nine to eleven, and all the swarm
Speaker 6: that comes out of the Now. Proverbs thirty verse seven says,
Speaker 6: the locusts have no king, yet they go, yet go
Speaker 6: they forth, all of them by bands. So clearly, if
Speaker 6: the locusts have no king yet, Gog is the leader
Speaker 6: of a horde of locusts, the king of them, it says,
Speaker 6: then that tells us, of course that you know, it's
Speaker 6: not talking about locusts. It's talking about spiritual things, and
Speaker 6: they do exist now and after the thousand years, when
Speaker 6: the enemy, the adversary is let go of his bondage,
Speaker 6: you know, there's a chains and then he's let out again.
Speaker 6: For one last, uh, you know, purging of the human race.
Speaker 6: And so there we see the character of God, the
Speaker 6: spirit of God. So it's probably you know, a spirit
Speaker 6: like you know, we know the shadeem or spirits and
Speaker 6: felim that roamed the earth, and it exists now. And
Speaker 6: then it does seem to suggest the connection with the locusts.
Speaker 6: It does seem to telegraph Revelation nine to eleven. And
Speaker 6: I know we're gonna dig deeper into all of this,
Speaker 6: but I'm just giving that overview since you're saying that,
Speaker 6: So the answer is short of it is it's pointing
Speaker 6: to a spiritual force behind this war that exists now
Speaker 6: and later.
Speaker 7: Okay, and next up, Ryan Peterson, Yeah, sure, So I
Speaker 7: definitely ascribe to the view that there are two wars,
Speaker 7: and I agree with Ali.
Speaker 5: I think he described it beautifully in terms of how
Speaker 5: the Hebrew mind works and it understands prophecy and time. Right,
Speaker 5: And so Ali, I use the term the scroll of the time.
Speaker 5: You call it a spiral. I call it a scroll.
Speaker 5: That time to God is like a scroll where it's
Speaker 5: definitely not linear, right, It's the events are repeating and cycling, right,
Speaker 5: And God uses that in order to really prove that
Speaker 5: he is God, that he is Yahweh Elyon. He's said
Speaker 5: in Isaiah forty six that this is really it's props
Speaker 5: that God declares the end from the beginning and from
Speaker 5: ancient times the things that must come to pass. And
Speaker 5: so this is how God really shows that he's above
Speaker 5: all principalities and powers. And it comes to Zeko thirty eight.
Speaker 5: I think what we're seeing in thirty nine, I think
Speaker 5: again we're seeing this typology of two of more than
Speaker 5: one battle or war being described, and I actually think
Speaker 5: they're being described in reverse order. And I think that
Speaker 5: we look at Zeco thirty eight, we're seeing that description
Speaker 5: of that post millennial battle, and I'm like, Ali, I
Speaker 5: believe in a literal millennial reign of Christ on Earth.
Speaker 5: And at the end we see of courts in Revelation
Speaker 5: twenty that God and Magoda mentioned by name that final
Speaker 5: battle on the Holy City on Jerusalem, and what we
Speaker 5: see in the conditions that we see described in Zeco
Speaker 5: thirty I think really indicate prophetically that it's referring to
Speaker 5: that war. And the key thing I think is that
Speaker 5: it says that the prophet says that you know Jerusalem
Speaker 5: will be dwelling safely without walls, and that that to me,
Speaker 5: that description that God is going to say his mile
Speaker 5: go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will
Speaker 5: go to them that are at rest, they dwell safely.
Speaker 5: That language, prophetically, to me, puts it in the millennium.
Speaker 5: That is the time we see in other passages, prophetically,
Speaker 5: when Israel will be able to dwell safely, when Christ
Speaker 5: is ruling on Earth. Right, when there's peace on Earth, right,
Speaker 5: we turn our you know, weapons, or turn our swords
Speaker 5: into plowshares. Right, So we're now, we are now in
Speaker 5: that time, and I believe it's describing that battle, and
Speaker 5: then when you get to Execal chapter thirty nine, it's
Speaker 5: talking about an earlier battle. I think they're really separated
Speaker 5: by one thousand and seven years, really, And I think
Speaker 5: I think the first battle of God May God, which
Speaker 5: I think is described in Execal chapter thirty nine, is
Speaker 5: really kind of at the start of the Great Tribulation
Speaker 5: and may almost be perceived as Armageddon by the unbelieving
Speaker 5: world because it's out of the rubble and out of
Speaker 5: his battles. When the Antichrist will really emerge on the scene,
Speaker 5: and so that's I think the conditions being ascribed, and
Speaker 5: I think what we see also in the exical chapter
Speaker 5: thirty nine. We can get to more detail on this,
Speaker 5: but the key thing is that God says, so you
Speaker 5: have the unwalled villages in this condition of Jerusalem dwelling
Speaker 5: in safety in this Eagle chapter thirty eight, where the
Speaker 5: condition in thirty chapter thirty nine, God specifically says that
Speaker 5: He's doing this so that Israel will no longer profane
Speaker 5: his name from this day on. Now they'll know that
Speaker 5: I'm there God. So again, this wouldn't be at the
Speaker 5: end of the millennium. This is when Israel they're believing remnant, right,
Speaker 5: This is the entire Great Tribulation, the purpose of the
Speaker 5: Great Tribulations to bring that believing remnant of Israel to
Speaker 5: a full understanding of who God is. That yes, he's God, yeahe,
Speaker 5: but also that his son, the Son of God, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 5: is yeshue ahamashikh Dammasai. And so God is declaring at
Speaker 5: thirty nine that in this victory over this being God
Speaker 5: and Ali, like you said, I definitely agree that God
Speaker 5: is a spirit, realm being, that God is going to
Speaker 5: use us to awaken Israel to start bring that process
Speaker 5: of their reconciliation. So I think that's putting us at
Speaker 5: the beginning of the great Shibulation. Thirty eight is telling
Speaker 5: us what's going to happen at the end, when Israe's
Speaker 5: already been reconciled and now we're at the literally Satan's
Speaker 5: last strike.
Speaker 4: Okay, next up, Derek Well, I agree with with Ryan
Speaker 4: and with Ali that these are two separate battles Ezekiel
Speaker 4: thirty eight thirty nine and that Revelation twenty are describing
Speaker 4: separate conflicts. I do think the thirty eight flows into
Speaker 4: thirty nine, and that when is one conflict and that
Speaker 4: culminates at the Battle of Armagedin, and we can get
Speaker 4: into that. Interestingly amous chapter seven and the Seituagin. The
Speaker 4: newer translation of the Seituagen prepared by the the translators
Speaker 4: at Faith Life the Lexum English Septuagen translates instead of Gog,
Speaker 4: it translates it as a gag who was the king
Speaker 4: of the Amalekites back in the days of assaulop I
Speaker 4: remember correctly. But what it does show us, even if
Speaker 4: it was an error by the translators of the Subtuagen
Speaker 4: in the third century BC, is that Amos chapter seven
Speaker 4: is clearly an apocalyptic prophecy of the end times, and
Speaker 4: that they connected Gog with the end times. So even
Speaker 4: if they couldn't make sense of whatever it was they
Speaker 4: were trying to translate Gog a gag, whatever they used
Speaker 4: Gog because they saw it was an apocalyptic prophecy of
Speaker 4: the end Gog is clearly the great End Times enemy
Speaker 4: of God in Ezekiel, and so I think we can
Speaker 4: identify Gog as the spirit that we call Antichrist in
Speaker 4: the New Testament, the beast that emerges from the sea
Speaker 4: in Revelation chapter thirteen. At least that's how I see it.
Speaker 4: I also think that there's been a tendency among End
Speaker 4: Times Bible teachers to try to interpret Ezekiel thirty eight
Speaker 4: and thirty nine and the identities of Gog, may Gog
Speaker 4: and whether or not Roche is an entity or should
Speaker 4: be translated from the Hebrew word into the English word
Speaker 4: as head or chief where it is as it is
Speaker 4: everywhere else in the Old Testament, tend to look for
Speaker 4: too naturalistic of an explanation or an interpretation of Ezekiel
Speaker 4: thirty eight and look for that literal fulfillment, which then
Speaker 4: leads to some confusion. How can Gog and may Goog
Speaker 4: return at the end of the thousand years if they
Speaker 4: were destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the end
Speaker 4: of Ezekiel thirty nine or in the middle of Ezekiel
Speaker 4: thirty nine. But if you're dealing with supernatural entities rather
Speaker 4: than geopolitical entities or humans, then you really don't have
Speaker 4: a conflict as far as I see. So, yeah, I
Speaker 4: do think we've got two separate conflicts here, and we
Speaker 4: need to keep in mind as we're analyzing this that
Speaker 4: we're dealing with a supernatural enemy, the atti Christ and
Speaker 4: his chief of staff, or Satan and his chief of staff,
Speaker 4: the Antichrist.
Speaker 6: And there's also that mentioned in is thirty nine of
Speaker 6: the Fatlings of Bashan, which tends to be you know,
Speaker 6: a co exactly, yes, or the beam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is correct, Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: My next question would have been who or what is
Speaker 1: Gog and Magog and is it like a lot of
Speaker 1: people try to try to say, it's a country, it's
Speaker 1: a tribe, it's a nation. I mean, who would Magog
Speaker 1: be if you guys already kind of describe Gog as
Speaker 1: being like a spiritual entity. What about Megog. We'll start
Speaker 1: out with with you Ali, then we'll just keep going.
Speaker 1: We'll go Ali, Ryan, and then.
Speaker 2: Derek each time.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, So you know we're trying to look into
Speaker 6: the future, right, So there's a lot of conjecture. You know,
Speaker 6: we're having a conversation and are thinks evolves as the
Speaker 6: Holy Spirit continues to teach us as we move deeper
Speaker 6: into these times.
Speaker 3: So these are just working.
Speaker 6: Ideas, That's how I approach it. These are kind of
Speaker 6: working ideas, right, and there's there's mystery. So for me,
Speaker 6: there is something real being described. And it's interesting that
Speaker 6: it's right after right, Sorry, it's right after chapter thirty six,
Speaker 6: where it's the prophecy of the regathering of Israel to
Speaker 6: the land, which again has a pattern of fulfillment through history.
Speaker 6: I mean, Ezekielitz himself was an exile when you wrote that,
Speaker 6: and then the Persians came and they went back to
Speaker 6: the land, and this pattern I believe is fulfilled one
Speaker 6: more time in our in the twentieth century with the
Speaker 6: establishment of Israel. So this war definitely is happening. Never
Speaker 6: happened in the ancient history of Israel. It's happening therefore
Speaker 6: in the modern history of Israel, because we know the
Speaker 6: ancient history of Israel all the way to destruction on
Speaker 6: a second temple, and we don't see this war, even
Speaker 6: though we.
Speaker 3: See much conflict.
Speaker 6: So it is, it says in the latter years in
Speaker 6: Ezekiel chapter thirty eight, verse eight, which is another code
Speaker 6: term for the Atayamim, the end of days, which is.
Speaker 2: What you know.
Speaker 3: Our time.
Speaker 6: Now, the countries that are mentioned, there is a horde
Speaker 6: of people coming, right, there's definitely a list given. Uh,
Speaker 6: there's the prince of Mesche and Tubal, and you know
Speaker 6: there's Persia cushion put for me as far as what
Speaker 6: could these be if we were to bring it into
Speaker 6: the natural and say, okay, what do we know about Megog?
Speaker 6: By the way, the jim at the Gametria of Gog
Speaker 6: and Magog is seventy, which is interesting because it ties
Speaker 6: into the seventy you know nations, all of them.
Speaker 3: It's all of them?
Speaker 5: Has that bread.
Speaker 6: Now that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So well, I want to come back to that idea
Speaker 6: of you know who all of them were? Not in
Speaker 6: all because there are many wars. But Hessio the father
Speaker 6: of Greek didactic poetry, identified magog with Ascythians, you know,
Speaker 6: southern Russia, and the seventh century BC contemporary of around
Speaker 6: Ezekiel's time, Herodotus, the father of history, used the term
Speaker 6: Scythians and Magogians interchangeably and wrote about the descendants extensively,
Speaker 6: and you know, he lived in the In the fifth
Speaker 6: century BC, the ancient Jewish historian Josephus identified magog as
Speaker 6: Scythians of the far north in his Antiquities. The Latin
Speaker 6: father Jerome says that this word denotes Scythian nations, fierce, innumberable,
Speaker 6: who lived beyond the Caucus and Lake Maeotis and near
Speaker 6: the Caspian Sea, and spread out even onward to India.
Speaker 6: Some say that the name represents the Assyrian Macgougie or
Speaker 6: the country of Gougu, the gigess of the Greeks. Reverend
Speaker 6: Archibald Henry says, you know mentioned that, So where does
Speaker 6: this put it in modern terms? Basically the northern Iranian
Speaker 6: plateau and the stands this is kind of would be
Speaker 6: where they would they were living, and so yes, they
Speaker 6: have migrated. You know, they were kind of nomadic. They
Speaker 6: migrated north. So is it possible to think of the
Speaker 6: Slavic people of the Russian Yes, Anatolia. Sure, there's different
Speaker 6: ways you can look at it. But no matter how
Speaker 6: I placed these countries, they seem to come from.
Speaker 3: That part of the world.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you want me to do all
Speaker 6: of them at once like Gomeher and everybody else, or
Speaker 6: just stock with megog they as far as is everybody involved.
Speaker 6: As I said, I think there's a pattern here. I
Speaker 6: do think Medica on this a lot, and came to
Speaker 6: the conclusion that I think that this is a separate
Speaker 6: war from Armageddon. But prophetically the pattern of Armageddon is
Speaker 6: already in this war. So these are two conflicts now
Speaker 6: Sheiba and di Dan. So for me, the Yaphetites and
Speaker 6: the Hamites are really in the Horde. The Semites seem
Speaker 6: to be on the side. And later what we see,
Speaker 6: of course is that when this army comes brought by God,
Speaker 6: defeated by God, then Israel takes the weapons of this
Speaker 6: army and burns it for energy for seven years, if
Speaker 6: that's what literally I'm reading here, And then there's a
Speaker 6: burial of the dead. On the value of having God
Speaker 6: and those people who see bones have to go and
Speaker 6: get these other guys and say, look, we're going to
Speaker 6: put a marker here. Come and bury the bones. It
Speaker 6: might be radioactive. This doesn't sound like a Messianic kingdom
Speaker 6: to me, right, This doesn't sound like what would happen
Speaker 6: right after the Battle of Armageddon. If the Lord is
Speaker 6: here establishing his millennial rule. We're not going to be
Speaker 6: burning weapons for seven years. We're not going to be
Speaker 6: burying dead people and putting markers, right. I think that
Speaker 6: him and his angel army, they're going to have the
Speaker 6: resources to deal with this stuff quickly. So I think
Speaker 6: that there's a pattern here that speaks of the Battle
Speaker 6: of Armageddon. There's lots of terminology here that is used
Speaker 6: again in the Battle of Armageddon. But for me, the
Speaker 6: fact that it focuses more on y Aphetites and Hamites,
Speaker 6: and the fact that it describes this burning of the
Speaker 6: weaponry and the burying of the dead in this very
Speaker 6: detailed and specific way, it does point to our world. Still,
Speaker 6: you know, this is what our world is going to.
Speaker 6: This looks like we bury people, so we burn weapons
Speaker 6: for energy. So it has echoes of Armageddon like the
Speaker 6: seventy as I said, is the Gematria. It has terminology
Speaker 6: that points to the pattern of the final fulfillment of
Speaker 6: this attempt to derail the prophetic word of God by
Speaker 6: destroying Israel, because that's what this is really about. This
Speaker 6: is about derailing the prophetic word of God and making
Speaker 6: sure that scripture is broken, because the Lord says that
Speaker 6: he has done nothing except that which he speaks through
Speaker 6: his servants, the prophets, and so this is an attack
Speaker 6: from the enemy to destroy Israel so that the prophecy
Speaker 6: can be fulfilled in the age of empire can continue,
Speaker 6: and so that pattern culminates an armageddon. But I think
Speaker 6: this battle is a distinct one with armagan armageddon patterns,
Speaker 6: and I can speak into why I think it's this
Speaker 6: thing more as we as we unfold the talk.
Speaker 2: All right, Ryan, you're up next.
Speaker 5: Sure, so you know I want to I want to
Speaker 5: first lit great job, Ali, and I definitely was. I
Speaker 5: definitely agree with that analysis for sure. But I want
Speaker 5: to talk about one more thing, well, several other things
Speaker 5: about the identity of Gog that I think kind of
Speaker 5: tie into some of the early comments already. So there's
Speaker 5: an interesting passage in Ezekiel thirty eight, where God says,
Speaker 5: I mean, you know. One thing we find too is
Speaker 5: that the language here is the way God is speaking
Speaker 5: through Ezekiel is very similar to how God speaks in
Speaker 5: other what I call esoteric passages like Isaiah fourteen, Ezekiel
Speaker 5: twenty eight, Ezekiel thirty when God is really saying a
Speaker 5: lot to this entities, which I get I think I
Speaker 5: think indicates that we're talking about a spirit around being
Speaker 5: a fallen angel. And in verse seventeen of Ezekiel thirty eight,
Speaker 5: God says, you know. God says, thus, say the Lord God,
Speaker 5: art thou speaking of dog Art thou of whom I
Speaker 5: have spoken in old time by my servants, the prophets
Speaker 5: of Israel, which problems that in those days, in many years,
Speaker 5: that I would bring thee against them. And so God
Speaker 5: is saying, are you this one who my prophets have
Speaker 5: spoken of? And then I'll be going back to the septuagen.
Speaker 5: In the septuogen it says it directly. It's not a question,
Speaker 5: it's a direct statement. It says, thou art he concerning
Speaker 5: whom I spoke of in former times by the hands
Speaker 5: of my servants, the prophets of Israel. So it's saying
Speaker 5: very clearly that this is someone who's mentioned in multiple
Speaker 5: pro fet in multiple books of the Bible. That God
Speaker 5: is mentioned in multiple books of the Bible. So how
Speaker 5: could that be right? Where do we else, you know,
Speaker 5: where we see this name? And when I submit, and
Speaker 5: I think this is how it kind of ties into
Speaker 5: everything we're saying. And this pattern, this cycle of repeating events,
Speaker 5: is that that God of the person, that being ultimately
Speaker 5: is either or a representation or in dwelled. I believe
Speaker 5: by the spirit known as Apolyon Abadon and the Assyrian
Speaker 5: in the Old Testament, and that he is gonna be
Speaker 5: one of you know when I talk about these misty kings,
Speaker 5: so I believe, you know, when you look at Revelation
Speaker 5: seventeen and identifies the seven headed dragon and says that
Speaker 5: the said the seven heads are seven kings. And John
Speaker 5: is given this chronology versus five or fallen one is
Speaker 5: I meaning he's alive at that time and one is
Speaker 5: to come and the beast, the Antichrist, he is the
Speaker 5: eighth and is of the seven and goeth into perdition.
Speaker 5: And so this, you know, I've kind of lay out
Speaker 5: this this lineage of rulers who I believe have been
Speaker 5: in dwelled by this spirit of a Poleon. And I
Speaker 5: believe God in this lineage is the seventh and he
Speaker 5: and this is and so he and this is how
Speaker 5: God can say, yeah, many prophets have spoken about you,
Speaker 5: because there have been, because He's this spirit has been
Speaker 5: allowed to in dwell different leaders, famous leaders who have
Speaker 5: been enemies of Israel and enemies of God throughout history,
Speaker 5: culminating with the final in dwelling of Antichrist. And so
Speaker 5: you think about Ali mentioned earlier the quote the verse
Speaker 5: from Amos to the month the Locus king. Well, of course,
Speaker 5: where do we see this again in Revelation nine when
Speaker 5: the abyss is open and these locusts come out. Well,
Speaker 5: I believe are the Genesis six s wallen angels who
Speaker 5: are locked in chains as we read in Jude six
Speaker 5: and seven, Second Peter, chapter two, and it says and
Speaker 5: they had a king over them. Right, we see a
Speaker 5: direct confirmation. Hear the locus and here's their king who
Speaker 5: is appalling on Abba Don, who I think at that
Speaker 5: point is coming out for his final kind of go
Speaker 5: around as the Antichrist. But I think God is one
Speaker 5: I believe is the seventh in this succession. And that's
Speaker 5: how it kind of all ties in into how he
Speaker 5: can he's appearing in the Millennium, he's appearing in the
Speaker 5: Great Relation, he's appearing at Armageddon, because it's a spirit,
Speaker 5: it's an angelic spirit that's in weelling these leaders. And
Speaker 5: so I just wanted to touch on that because I
Speaker 5: think it's a really interesting statement that God makes me
Speaker 5: says I had that you have been mentioned throughout my work,
Speaker 5: and I quote some other scholars too from the nineteenth
Speaker 5: century and some and even something from earlier who kind
Speaker 5: of arrived at that same identification that he is just
Speaker 5: a report. He's a one in this series of leaders
Speaker 5: ultimately culminating with the Antichrist possessed by that spirit of pollion.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Derek, next up. Valuable information and everybody
Speaker 2: so far.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is like a just a fascinating
Speaker 4: study resource for people, just a crash course on everything
Speaker 4: from Ezekiel to you know, revelation and the Battle of Armageddon.
Speaker 4: I agree with you about ninety percent of that. Ryan.
Speaker 4: The only place where we would disagree is I think
Speaker 4: the spirit of Antichrist is Leviathan chaos, because the seven
Speaker 4: headed beast that emerges from the sea is a representation
Speaker 4: the same way that the chaos dragon of ancient Mesopotamia
Speaker 4: was depicted. And there are scholars who have concluded that
Speaker 4: the little Horn of Daniel chapter seven, who speaks blasphemous things,
Speaker 4: is connected to Typhon, the chaos monster of Greek cosmology.
Speaker 4: And so I go in that direction. But that's not
Speaker 4: a hill I'm willing to die on. So I know
Speaker 4: that we're kind of in a minority in saying yeah,
Speaker 4: we think Leviathan is the is the Antichrist, because then
Speaker 4: there's some question about, Okay, how does he come back?
Speaker 4: Then how does God come back at the end if
Speaker 4: he's already in the Lake of Fire in Revelation nineteen.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know. So we'll work in progress.
Speaker 4: As Ali put it, I do think that all of
Speaker 4: the people, all of the people groups named in the
Speaker 4: Northern Coalition in Ezekiel thirty eight, Mishek Tuba, all Maygog Gohmer,
Speaker 4: and Beth Tagarma in Ezekiel's day, could be very positively
Speaker 4: identified throughout archaeology and located in what is now Turkey,
Speaker 4: Asia Minor even Maygog, which I know that there are
Speaker 4: others who believed that, even you know, going back to
Speaker 4: Josephus and before that connected them to the Scythians, who
Speaker 4: did make fairly regular incursions south of the Caucasus mountains,
Speaker 4: but their main dwelling place, their home country was north
Speaker 4: of the Caucasus, the steps of that region and what
Speaker 4: is now southern Russia. But when we go back to
Speaker 4: Genesis chapter ten, we find all five of these these
Speaker 4: nations mentioned as sons of Japhaths. So yes, these are
Speaker 4: the Japathites. There Genesis ten, verse two. The sons of
Speaker 4: j Feth were Gohmer, maygog Mad, the Meads, Yvon, the Ionians,
Speaker 4: the Greeks Tubol, Mishek, and Tiras. And Tiras are probably
Speaker 4: the Tyrhenians or the Etruscans who migrated from western Turkey,
Speaker 4: the Trojans, in other words, who wound up on the
Speaker 4: western coast of Italy, and the sons of gomer Ra, Ashkanas,
Speaker 4: Rivop and Togarma. So there you've got within two generations
Speaker 4: of jfth all five in this northern coalition. And then
Speaker 4: when we look at their rallying point in Ezekiel thirty eight,
Speaker 4: verse eighteen. On that day, the day that Gog shall
Speaker 4: come against the land of Israel. Nope, I want to
Speaker 4: back up to verse fourteen. Thus says the Lord God,
Speaker 4: on that day, wheen of my people Israel are dwelling securely,
Speaker 4: will you not know it? You will come from your
Speaker 4: place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you
Speaker 4: and many people's with you. And this is one reason
Speaker 4: that some will identify Gog or may Goog as Russia,
Speaker 4: because when you look at a map and you draw
Speaker 4: a line north from Jerusalem, Russia is as uttermost north
Speaker 4: as you can get. The phrase in Hebrew, however, is
Speaker 4: Yarkate Saphong. And that name Cephon just happens to be
Speaker 4: the name of the mountain that was sacred to Bale
Speaker 4: or all for you scholars out there, just so you
Speaker 4: know that we know how to pronounce it. This is
Speaker 4: Jebel al Akra in Turkey today. It's on the Mediterranean coast,
Speaker 4: near the ancient city of Antioch, very close to the
Speaker 4: Syrian border. This was sacred not just for the the Canaanites,
Speaker 4: you know, for the Mountain of Bail. It was also
Speaker 4: the sacred mountain of the storm God for the Hurrians
Speaker 4: and Hittites, and it was believed by the Greeks to
Speaker 4: be where Zeus defeated the chaos monster Typhan, who got
Speaker 4: his name from that mountain Cepon. This was so important
Speaker 4: that the Hebrew word for north comes from that mountain,
Speaker 4: because in all the related Semitic languages in the ancient world,
Speaker 4: the word for north was simal, meaning left, because when
Speaker 4: you're staring at the eastern sun as it rises, left
Speaker 4: means north south. Yamen is right, but in Hebrew it's
Speaker 4: tefan because that's the direction of Bales Mountain. So I
Speaker 4: think what we've got here is a cosmic north rather
Speaker 4: than a geographic north that Ezekiel is pointing to, and
Speaker 4: that again reinforces the idea that God and all of
Speaker 4: these forces that are coming against Israel are supernatural and ali.
Speaker 4: That's brilliant. I had never heard before that the jamatria
Speaker 4: of Gog and Magog is seventy, because I think that's
Speaker 4: what Ezekiel's trying to communicate here. We look at Kush
Speaker 4: and Persia and Put, and we could identify those, you know,
Speaker 4: Persia Iran, Okay, we can see them as an existential
Speaker 4: threat to Israel. But Put, that's Libya, that's not even
Speaker 4: a functioning state at this point. And Kush what is that?
Speaker 4: That's Sudan, that's Ethiopia. Again not really a threat to Israel.
Speaker 4: But what they were in Ezekiel's day were the nations
Speaker 4: that were as far away as any of his readers
Speaker 4: would have heard from where they were and from Israel.
Speaker 4: And if you look at a map and you look
Speaker 4: at Yarkite, Tephon, Mount safon the mountain, and Bale coming
Speaker 4: from the north, get Persia coming from the east. You've
Speaker 4: got Put coming from the west and Kush coming from
Speaker 4: the south. In other words, the same thing that we
Speaker 4: see in Revelation twenty with the Second War of Gog
Speaker 4: and Magog, the four corners of the world, in other word,
Speaker 4: seventy all of them. The entire world is coming to
Speaker 4: do battle against Israel. And that's what Ezekiel is talking
Speaker 4: about here in Ezekiel thirty eight and thirty nine. One
Speaker 4: of the reasons I believe that this culminates with armaged.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I prayed before to God, like God, I want more,
Speaker 1: you know, like I want more out of the Bible,
Speaker 1: and I want more. And honestly, I feel like when
Speaker 1: I do these roundtables, God is like blessing me with
Speaker 1: so much more to you know, information.
Speaker 2: It's such such a blessing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So okay, So where and I'm asking some of
Speaker 1: these are going to be like where does the battles
Speaker 1: take place? Like I know the answer to these questions,
Speaker 1: but just so for the readers that don't know the
Speaker 1: Bible yet, where where does the where do the Gaga
Speaker 1: meg God wars take place?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 6: Geographically ali, okay, so they well, they take place on
Speaker 6: this mountain here all the multitude. Then they will call
Speaker 6: it the valley of Hamongod, it says the mountains of Israel.
Speaker 6: Now it has that feeling of you know, he mentioned
Speaker 6: Mount Zafon and has that feeling of Mount Hermon, like,
Speaker 6: especially if they're coming from the north. So let's just
Speaker 6: before we continue, I wanted to pause on this idea
Speaker 6: that Derek brought about Armageddon and this battle and the
Speaker 6: idea of the collector. So we have Psalm chapter two
Speaker 6: that talks about the kings of the Earth gathering against
Speaker 6: the garden is anointed the Messiah.
Speaker 3: And when you look at the.
Speaker 6: Dead Sea scrolls, it talks about in the commentary on
Speaker 6: the song too, it says that there was the King
Speaker 6: of the King of the Nations, you know, the because
Speaker 6: they went, you know, the Dead Sea Scroll. Guys, they went,
Speaker 6: wait a second, if all these kings are gathering against
Speaker 6: God and is annointed, they must have a leader. So
Speaker 6: there's a king of the King of the Nations. Right,
Speaker 6: they came to a conclusion. You have prophecy of the
Speaker 6: Nations being invited in the Valley of Judgment, in the
Speaker 6: Scroll of Joel. You have Zecuria chapter fourteen, which is
Speaker 6: my favorite camera lens into the final moment of this
Speaker 6: age of history. It's so rich with detailed information. You know,
Speaker 6: the Lord lands on the amount of olives. Then the
Speaker 6: survivors come to worship year after year. It deals with
Speaker 6: a lot of heretical thoughts that are out there. And
Speaker 6: then of course you have the Book of Revelation chapter nineteen.
Speaker 6: You know, the Lord comes the heavenly host. So there's
Speaker 6: definitely a war from Psalms to Zacharia to Jewel to Revelation.
Speaker 6: There is a final spiritual conflict that we can in
Speaker 6: our Christian language maybe just summarize as the war arm again, Right,
Speaker 6: we just call it that great. Yet there are other
Speaker 6: wars mentioned in the prophetic writings that may apply to
Speaker 6: the modern age. You know, I think it's Psalm eighty three,
Speaker 6: is it right? So there are all these countries that come,
Speaker 6: and there has been many wars. There's a war of
Speaker 6: independence in nineteen forty eight, there was you know, this
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty seven war that was very important because Jerusalem
Speaker 6: became part of the commonwealth of Jewish people. It was
Speaker 6: a prophetic ward happened on the jubilee the fiftieth year
Speaker 6: of nineteen seventeen when the Balthour Decoration was issued, and
Speaker 6: jubilee is the year with inheritances, a return to people,
Speaker 6: and there was, Yes, there was a young Peopoor war
Speaker 6: in the early seventies. But you know, so there has
Speaker 6: been these Arabs speaking Islamic nations that have come against Israel.
Speaker 3: For me, this.
Speaker 6: War in the system of pattern prophecies, pattern is perhaps
Speaker 6: speaking of a non Arab Islamic war. You know, so
Speaker 6: you've got who's in North Africa, Well, you have the
Speaker 6: Muslim brotherhood. You have to kind of see it more
Speaker 6: in not the concept of modern nation states, which is
Speaker 6: the nineteenth century concept. The Bible gives us tribes that
Speaker 6: we follow into the modern age, and it talks about
Speaker 6: groups of people. The whole country doesn't have to go
Speaker 6: to war, right there could be groups of people. So
Speaker 6: right now there is this Islamic Army under Iran's government
Speaker 6: that is being funded by Iran, by the Islamic Republic,
Speaker 6: I should say, And Sunny's and Sheas are coming together
Speaker 6: right especially lately, there is this Solimani's just general that
Speaker 6: President Trump killed. He put together this strategy called United Front,
Speaker 6: which means Shia and Sydney's let's put our differences away
Speaker 6: and form a united front against Israel. Because the idea
Speaker 6: is that you know, when the rightly guided one comes
Speaker 6: the matt d he will decide which is the right
Speaker 6: sect of Islam.
Speaker 3: So let's just for now put that difference.
Speaker 6: Away and go for it. So there is there is
Speaker 6: the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups in
Speaker 6: North Africa. I'm told in Ethiopia, in many of the
Speaker 6: mosques they tell you that if you don't, if you're
Speaker 6: not militant against Israel, you're not a real Muslim. So
Speaker 6: there is this. When I look into Turkey, of course
Speaker 6: you know Eradiwan, he's running out of steam in some ways,
Speaker 6: but he does represent the Muslim brotherhood. When I look
Speaker 6: at Russia, I see that twenty percent of the population
Speaker 6: is Islamic. When the Charlie Abdauh stuff happened, there was
Speaker 6: a huge uprising in Chechnya on behalf of the terrorists,
Speaker 6: I think by close to a million people came out.
Speaker 3: It was huge.
Speaker 6: I was surprised. I had no idea that. And the Chechens,
Speaker 6: you know, they're like this private army of Putins. So
Speaker 6: there's an Islamic front there. The Taliban that I've taken
Speaker 6: over Afghanistan, they are different from the Taliban that used
Speaker 6: to be there. They're more Muslim brotherhood. The old Taliban
Speaker 6: was SALAVII. They're connected to Saudi Arabia. The new Taliban
Speaker 6: has an office in Doa, Qatar and is connected to
Speaker 6: a much larger, wealthier, better organized organization.
Speaker 3: And this has allowed.
Speaker 6: Militant groups from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to come in and
Speaker 6: set up madrassas in Afghanistan.
Speaker 3: Where they're teaching.
Speaker 6: This is what they teach us how to overthrow governments
Speaker 6: because they just establish caliphates. So you know, we're looking
Speaker 6: through a veil in a way, right, we're trying to understand.
Speaker 6: We don't want to put too much of our ideas
Speaker 6: on here, but I think that there is a war brewing,
Speaker 6: and this is the echoes of armageddon right there. And
Speaker 6: this war coming against is reel from these nations. How
Speaker 6: is it going to happen? What's the trigger? I don't know,
Speaker 6: but there is this these players. Let's say, for instance, Persia,
Speaker 6: which is one of the main players. There is a
Speaker 6: revolution brewing inside of Iran. There is a massive Christian revival,
Speaker 6: the largest.
Speaker 3: In the whole Middle East happening. There is a new.
Speaker 6: Iran pushing against the Islamic Republic. If these guys are
Speaker 6: going to play the part in this war at this time,
Speaker 6: they've got to kind of you know it. It's got
Speaker 6: to happen somehow in the twenties. They're going to be
Speaker 6: fifty years of governance by nineteen, by twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 6: so maybe the Lord will return the country to the
Speaker 6: people of Iran from this Islamic rulership before that.
Speaker 3: Year of Jubilee.
Speaker 6: This war with Ukraine is very interesting. It has isolated
Speaker 6: Russia and in that isolation putin already a long time ago,
Speaker 6: replaced Eastern Europe as a base with the Islamic world,
Speaker 6: and he got involved in the nuclear programming ran because
Speaker 6: it was a local issue that gave him global importance.
Speaker 6: And you know, he came and parked his jets in Latakia.
Speaker 6: In Syria, he has a warm water port and Nebulis.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that he's going to declare war against
Speaker 6: Israel and go, but it's interesting that just two days
Speaker 6: before the invasion of Ukraine, the ambassador of Russia in
Speaker 6: the United Nations said, you know what, we no longer
Speaker 6: accepted Jerusalem is the sole capital of Jewish people, and
Speaker 6: we also think that Israel should withdraw from the Golan Heights.
Speaker 6: It's an article on Jerusalem Post you can google and
Speaker 6: read and it's like, where did that come from? With hindsight,
Speaker 6: they're giving a warning, look, be on our side as
Speaker 6: this conflict develops, or else we'll lose our levers, you know,
Speaker 6: against you.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting because there's a.
Speaker 6: Spiritual Anti Semitism has a spiritual origin, right, So there's
Speaker 6: sometimes it reveals something that's in the spirit in mind
Speaker 6: through through what seems like natural political maneuvers, right, So
Speaker 6: I don't know how exactly all the pieces are not there,
Speaker 6: but I think that we could see such an incredible
Speaker 6: war coming all this non Arabic, Islamic speaking nations, the
Speaker 6: Islamic Republic and it's sunny partners, the United in front
Speaker 6: of Sola money. When you look at the Soviet Union,
Speaker 6: they gave the weapons to the enemy's visual in a
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty seven war. In the Young Peper War, they
Speaker 6: gave the They're the industrial patron, they are the Eagle
Speaker 6: of the East, they are the Rome of the East, right,
Speaker 6: And I can see why they would think, well, you know,
Speaker 6: if we can replace the Judeo Christian world within Islamic
Speaker 6: Russian world, you know, we switch the world order in
Speaker 6: one chess move right.
Speaker 3: So who knows what's going.
Speaker 6: On in their minds, But I don't think Putin's gonna
Speaker 6: get up and go to war against Israelism makes sense.
Speaker 6: But behind the curtains the spirit. So this there might
Speaker 6: be something you're brewing that is worth paying attention to. Now,
Speaker 6: if these guys actually do come up against Israel and
Speaker 6: they are defeated on the mountains, because the Lord puts
Speaker 6: a hook, he brings them and he defeats them. The
Speaker 6: Lord brings them and defeats them, which is a good
Speaker 6: news because as this is going to be horrific, so
Speaker 6: it's good for us to go and say, don't worry, guys.
Speaker 6: The Lord has this whole thing in his hands. So
Speaker 6: it's got the whole world in it stands, and it's
Speaker 6: got this in his stands. So if these guys come
Speaker 6: and they get defeated, they get defeated.
Speaker 3: What would be the consequences of this defeat.
Speaker 6: First of all, the Islamic Hords they're religious people, they
Speaker 6: don't they're not not crazy, right, They're just deceived. They
Speaker 6: see this and they go, Wow, God was with Israel.
Speaker 6: So the Lord is glorified in their sight. They have
Speaker 6: a change of heart and mind, and I have some
Speaker 6: stories I can tell later about that.
Speaker 3: So there would be a glorification of God.
Speaker 6: In the Middle East. The Christian movement that's already among
Speaker 6: the Muslims growing very fast around as the leading part
Speaker 6: of it. It's also in our world, would expand. I
Speaker 6: think it would kind of bring a time of reprieve.
Speaker 6: You know, when you look at the history of Islam,
Speaker 6: only have disturbed it. One was in the ninth century,
Speaker 6: the writings of Plato and Aristotle were transseated into Arabic,
Speaker 6: which created a huge, huge division in Islamic world. Then
Speaker 6: in the eighteenth century, Napoleon soldiers in Egypt. They introduced
Speaker 6: the ideas of the French Republic to the Muslim world,
Speaker 6: which led to the secularism of Nasa and the democracies.
Speaker 6: And the third thing is Israel's presence. And so this
Speaker 6: may be, you know, something they can overcome. They can't
Speaker 6: overcome Israel, so when they come against it, they're broken.
Speaker 6: And this changes. Finally, let's say the Islamic Republic falls
Speaker 6: in Iran, it changes the landscape of the politics of
Speaker 6: the region. And now we can see kind of the
Speaker 6: ten Kings.
Speaker 1: The.
Speaker 6: Final you know, from this war. On one hand, there's reprieve,
Speaker 6: but there's geopolitical changes that happened in the region that
Speaker 6: allows some of these Islamic players to go fall down
Speaker 6: and governments rise that are more part of the world
Speaker 6: order where the eagles of the East and the West
Speaker 6: can tap into them, you know, like the Parliament of
Speaker 6: Iran is a pyramid with thirty three windows. I don't
Speaker 6: know where they got that idea from. Right today, this
Speaker 6: Parliament right now, right, so there's already maybe hands you
Speaker 6: know behind this, Like these guys are like, let's let's
Speaker 6: have them do this. If they win, great, If they lose,
Speaker 6: out of the ashes, the new world order rises. And
Speaker 6: it's interesting this idea of templates, because you look at
Speaker 6: the nineteen thirties, we had the great depressions. I mean,
Speaker 6: right now we might be on the verge of an
Speaker 6: economic crisis. I don't know, well, all this interest rate
Speaker 6: inflation is going to take us And if this war
Speaker 6: happens sometime in the twenties, then definitely the twenty thirties
Speaker 6: might be a time of economic depression. And that was
Speaker 6: the time where strong leaders came to power in Europe
Speaker 6: like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco. People look for strong leadership. So
Speaker 6: the twenty thirties could be a time where people look
Speaker 6: for strong leadership. And it's a fertile soil for the
Speaker 6: ten kings, and out of them the little horn like Hitler,
Speaker 6: you know is and his seven year war you.
Speaker 3: Know against the Jewish people.
Speaker 6: Like there is the templates, as though the twenty thirties
Speaker 6: might be like the nineteen thirties. So I see, first
Speaker 6: of all, a time of reprieve for the people of
Speaker 6: the region, a glorification of God as a result of
Speaker 6: this defeat, and a changing of the world order that
Speaker 6: sets up the rise of the Ten Kings and prepares
Speaker 6: us for the battle of Armageddon sometime later, you know,
Speaker 6: and maybe in the forties, I don't know, who knows.
Speaker 6: So people have to have a break. They can't just
Speaker 6: have a.
Speaker 3: War like this and then have Armageddon.
Speaker 6: And it's like, right now, there has to be like,
Speaker 6: these are birth pangs, and birth pangs come in a rhythm, right,
Speaker 6: So I see patterns of that.
Speaker 3: Global war of.
Speaker 6: All nations in this prophecy. Yet I see distinct specifications
Speaker 6: that identify it as a distinct war that has has
Speaker 6: echoes of the Armageddon. And that's how looking at modern
Speaker 6: day events, that's how I see. I think this may
Speaker 6: be what's on the horizon, even perhaps in the twenty twenties.
Speaker 6: And I have all kinds of ideas why I think
Speaker 6: that is, and then that might set up the rise
Speaker 6: of the world order that leads to Armageddon. And you know,
Speaker 6: that's just some ideas that I wanted to share with you, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ryan.
Speaker 1: Next up, So the question was where do these battles
Speaker 1: take place? Like, where do these wars take place?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So yeah, so again so yeah, so I of
Speaker 5: courts agree that this is talking about Israel. So again
Speaker 5: you know, in both battles, right, the file at the
Speaker 5: post blame is clearly at Jerusalem. And then I believe
Speaker 5: the first battle right when we see you know, the
Speaker 5: description THEREA says that got you know, the easy because
Speaker 5: it is Dash will come up against my people of Israel.
Speaker 5: So this is about the land of Israel for sure.
Speaker 5: And you know, in terms of you know, the war
Speaker 5: and how this is being set up, the timing, I
Speaker 5: think Ali, you know, I think you know that you know,
Speaker 5: in terms of what's taking place on the geopolitical front,
Speaker 5: I think it is all indications of what's going you know,
Speaker 5: we're seeing templates of how these things could be set
Speaker 5: into order. But you know, again I always go back
Speaker 5: to that even the national leaders of these nations are
Speaker 5: being led by the spirit, realm, right, you know, and
Speaker 5: we see we see a clear example of this in
Speaker 5: Revelation sixteen, where when it's time for armageddon, you have
Speaker 5: the Satanic Trinity, the devil, Satan, the anti Christ, and
Speaker 5: false prophet. They have demons come out of their mouths
Speaker 5: and they go and recruit. So it's the spirits are
Speaker 5: leading and you know, really pulling the strings of all
Speaker 5: the political imaginations and scheming against Israel and against God's
Speaker 5: land that's taking place in the human realm. And so
Speaker 5: what I wanted to point out also is is something
Speaker 5: about the timing of this, you know, and of the
Speaker 5: first battle, and something interesting that I think again because
Speaker 5: I think the first battle, and you know, Ali made
Speaker 5: an interesting point about how what will come out of
Speaker 5: the you know, the ashes of the war, how a
Speaker 5: new world order can arise out of it, and I think,
Speaker 5: you know, I think that the first battle of God
Speaker 5: May God, which will be a first attempt to strike
Speaker 5: Israel with this coalition, I think could be perceived and
Speaker 5: used as a deception by the anti Christ to help
Speaker 5: jump start his career as the defender of Israel, as
Speaker 5: the savior of Israel, because I believe he's definitely going
Speaker 5: to be Israeli, or claim to be of the line
Speaker 5: of David right. Ezekiel himself. Chapter twenty one calls him
Speaker 5: that wicked Prince of Israel, who's time shall come when
Speaker 5: iniquity is at an end, So it's calling him a
Speaker 5: prince of Israel. And you know, there's interesting there's some interesting,
Speaker 5: I think details in Ezekiel about the timing in chapter
Speaker 5: thirty eight, the end of when you get this verses
Speaker 5: twenty one to twenty three, you see these two God,
Speaker 5: and this is so personal. God is personally and supernaturally intervening.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of divine supernatural warfare taking place. And
Speaker 5: God says that I'll call for a sword against him
Speaker 5: throughout all my mountain and say it to the Lord God.
Speaker 5: Every man's sword shall be against his brother. So this
Speaker 5: is again God causing, you know, uh, comfitting the enemies
Speaker 5: we see in Joshua and the war with jehosaph Fat
Speaker 5: where everyone's the enemy's fighting against each other. And he says,
Speaker 5: and I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood.
Speaker 5: And God says, is gonna rain great hailstones, fire and
Speaker 5: brimstone and so and since that's I will magnify myself
Speaker 5: and sanctify myself, and I will be known in the
Speaker 5: eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I
Speaker 5: am the Lord. So again this idea that God is
Speaker 5: establishing and setting himself He's putting the world on notice.
Speaker 5: But I believe that's the beginning of the Great Tribulation.
Speaker 5: God's letting the world know, right. We see that at
Speaker 5: Revelation six where it says the great men, the mighty Man,
Speaker 5: they say, hide us from him who sits on the throne.
Speaker 5: It's like all the mighty, the Illuminati, the elites, they
Speaker 5: know this is God. God is now stepping into the arena,
Speaker 5: and Israel's waking up as well. But I think Israel's
Speaker 5: reconciliation is a process through the seven years. And so
Speaker 5: if you look and I put the timing of the
Speaker 5: rapture at the sixth Seal, I believe everything, the Great Tribulation, everything,
Speaker 5: I'm a pre tribulation believer, but I think everything starts
Speaker 5: at the sixth seal. And if you think about that,
Speaker 5: you know, the seventh seal, of course, is the silence
Speaker 5: in the space in the heaven for the space about
Speaker 5: a half an hour, and then you get to the
Speaker 5: first trumpet, and you have you know, we're seeing it's
Speaker 5: it's we're seeing the scene and heaven of the Mighty Angel,
Speaker 5: who I believe is Jesus. You know, at the altar
Speaker 5: with the incests, acting as high priest in the tabernacle,
Speaker 5: the temple in heaven, and uh, it says when the
Speaker 5: first trumpet sounds, it says, they're followed hailed and fire
Speaker 5: mingled with blood. And again, this is the only time
Speaker 5: you see this judgment. You see this mighty angel again,
Speaker 5: who I believe is God throwing the censer down to earth.
Speaker 5: So I believe that I believe this is the actual
Speaker 5: judgment of the first God May Good coalition attack. And
Speaker 5: you see because this is the only time you see
Speaker 5: that very unique combination of fire, brimstone and blood and
Speaker 5: being cast to earth and destroying I believe God May God,
Speaker 5: the first invasion of God May Good.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 5: Again going back to Ali's what Ali was saying about
Speaker 5: out of the ashes, this new order. I think in this,
Speaker 5: you know, if you think about this again from me,
Speaker 5: the perspective of this, the world at large, right is
Speaker 5: where non believers and believers are. Like from the non
Speaker 5: believing perspective, now you have the supernatural judgment. It's like,
Speaker 5: well wait a second, what's really happening. And then out
Speaker 5: of this you have this leader emerge who is leading Israel,
Speaker 5: who is now starting this revival who has supernatural powers,
Speaker 5: and he appeared and he's presenting himself as the Messiah.
Speaker 5: And I think that this first War could really be
Speaker 5: seen as a false Armageddon, and out of this it
Speaker 5: sets the stage and the antichrest to do the things
Speaker 5: we see in the Book of Daniel says he will
Speaker 5: restart the sacrifice noblation for the first three and a
Speaker 5: half years, this revival of saying yeah, I am pro Israel,
Speaker 5: bring back the Third Temple, the rebuilt Temple, start the sacrifice.
Speaker 5: And so I think it's gonna be it's gonna be
Speaker 5: a launchpad of the deception of the anti Christ to
Speaker 5: try and lure Israel obviously away from worshiping their true
Speaker 5: Messiah Jesus.
Speaker 1: Awesome amazing information. And Derek, go ahead if you want
Speaker 1: to add to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, actually, and that's exactly what I'm going to do,
Speaker 4: is add to that, because I think that at the
Speaker 4: end of Daniel chapter eleven, you get an outline of
Speaker 4: how this might actually play out. And this may refer
Speaker 4: back to a Psalmatey three prophecy. If bel Sallas, who
Speaker 4: wrote the book on that is correct, we could see
Speaker 4: this playing out according to Daniel eleven beginning of verse
Speaker 4: thirty six, and going through the end of the chapter
Speaker 4: reads sort of like the wars of Antichrist. The king
Speaker 4: shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and
Speaker 4: magnify himself above every god, and speak astonishing things against
Speaker 4: the God of gods. And this is very similar to
Speaker 4: the blasphemous names on the seven heads of the Antichrist
Speaker 4: who emerges from the sea in Revelation thirteen, very much
Speaker 4: like the little horn of Daniel chapter seven, and the
Speaker 4: blasphemous things that it speaks, which I remind you is
Speaker 4: like the chaos monster Typhon. But we'll see, we'll see
Speaker 4: how this all plays out. But from verse forty onward,
Speaker 4: he and I identify the King of the North in
Speaker 4: Daniels eleven as the as the Antichrist figure here. And
Speaker 4: he goes to war with the King of the South,
Speaker 4: and the King of the North rail russ upon him
Speaker 4: like a whirlwind, and he basically defeats all of Israel's
Speaker 4: near neighbors eat him, and Moab and the main part
Speaker 4: of the Ammonites escape from his hand. But he becomes
Speaker 4: ruler of the treasures of gold and silver, all the
Speaker 4: precious things of Egypt. The Libyans and the Kushites shall
Speaker 4: follow in his train. So there's cush and put from
Speaker 4: this coalition. But and then he shall pitch his palatial
Speaker 4: tents between the sea and the glorious Holy Mountains. So
Speaker 4: he sets up his headquarters in Israel. So I think
Speaker 4: when we get somebody like this, as you suggested Ryan,
Speaker 4: a dynamic political or military leader or both. You know,
Speaker 4: imagine say Mosha Dyan and Benjamin Netnyah who all rolled
Speaker 4: into one times ten, I think there are rabbis in
Speaker 4: Israel who would welcome this person as the Messiah, and
Speaker 4: they would see that as the war of God and
Speaker 4: may God, because for Jewish believers, of course, the War
Speaker 4: of Gog and Magog is the big final battle between
Speaker 4: God and the forces of darkness. Because they don't have
Speaker 4: the Book of Revelation. There are rabbis that have been
Speaker 4: claiming that the civil war in Israel or in Syria
Speaker 4: rather that began in twenty eleven was the war of
Speaker 4: Gog and Magog, and they were looking for Messiah to
Speaker 4: arrive soon. In fact, some of the most prominent Haradim
Speaker 4: or ultra Orthodox rabbis, like Rabbi kay Kaniewski, who just
Speaker 4: passed away a few years ago at the age of
Speaker 4: I think ninety seven. He had never until his last
Speaker 4: few years of life been known to make pronouncements that
Speaker 4: Messiah's arrival was imminent, But in the last few years
Speaker 4: of his life he was openly telling people Jews to
Speaker 4: make aliyah. If you're in Israel, don't leave, because Messiah
Speaker 4: is here. He just hasn't revealed himself yet. And so
Speaker 4: I think they were looking for that. They are looking for,
Speaker 4: or at least a small subset of Jewish religious leaders
Speaker 4: are looking for the Messiah right now, and they would
Speaker 4: be perhaps vulnerable to a deception so ingenious that would
Speaker 4: fool even the elect if it were possible in Jesus' words,
Speaker 4: So yes, I think there will be a conflict that
Speaker 4: will be presented as a false God. May God conflict
Speaker 4: or a false Armageddon, if you will, and Israel will
Speaker 4: be saved, apparently miraculously. And I think this leader, as
Speaker 4: you suggest, Ryan, will present himself to the world as
Speaker 4: a Jew and will be welcomed for a time until
Speaker 4: the Jews see through his deception, because he will not
Speaker 4: be able to stop himself from speaking blasphemous things against
Speaker 4: the Creator and then Jews will look on him who
Speaker 4: they have pierced and mourn. I think the wars will
Speaker 4: take place when it ultimately comes for real the actual God.
Speaker 4: May God conflict. It's clear in Ezekiel that it will
Speaker 4: take place on the mountains of Israel. It'll be in Israel.
Speaker 4: In fact, Ezekiel thirty nine gets more specific in verse eleven.
Speaker 4: On that day I will give to Gog a place
Speaker 4: for burial in Israel, the valley of the travelers east
Speaker 4: of the sea. It will block the travelers for their
Speaker 4: Gog and all his multitude will be buried. And this
Speaker 4: I think identifies it as that area between Jericho and
Speaker 4: Mountain Nebo. Because in the Book of Deuteronomy, when Moses
Speaker 4: is at the end of his life, he is told
Speaker 4: by God to climb this mountain of Avarim, that's aba Urim.
Speaker 4: That is the word that in Ezekiel is translated as
Speaker 4: travelers and lo and behold, there's an entrance for travelers
Speaker 4: in the dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible,
Speaker 4: because travelers is the word that was used by the Canaanites,
Speaker 4: the Amorite neighbors of Israel, for the spirits of the Refaem.
Speaker 4: The demonic spirits of the refae were literally called travelers
Speaker 4: in texts that summoned the travelers summoned the refaem to
Speaker 4: a ritual meal at the threshing floor of l or
Speaker 4: the tabernacle of l which was the summit of Mount Herman,
Speaker 4: which is where the Watcher's rebellion back in Genesis sixth
Speaker 4: took place. A scholar by the name of Edward Lipinski,
Speaker 4: who is very well respected ancient Near Eastern scholar, said,
Speaker 4: the best way to think about Mount Hermont is like
Speaker 4: the Canaanite Mount Olympus, is where the gods met. It
Speaker 4: was the tabernacle, the threshing floor of l. It's where
Speaker 4: he held court with Bail and Ashra and Astarte in
Speaker 4: all of the other Canaanite gods, the summit of Mount Hermon,
Speaker 4: and this is where these travelers, these Refaem spirits were summoned.
Speaker 4: According to these Canaanite texts that were from about twelve
Speaker 4: hundred BC, so twelve hundred years before Jesus walked the earth,
Speaker 4: the Canaanite neighbors were venerating these travelers, the refaim, who
Speaker 4: were known to the Greeks as the heroes. There's a
Speaker 4: scholar named amar Anu's by the way, who showed etymologically
Speaker 4: linguistically that the words the Greeks used for their demi
Speaker 4: god heroes of the Golden Age derived from Semitic and
Speaker 4: the Semitic root word behind refaeen. So I mean we
Speaker 4: can show etymologically it's not just they're kind of a
Speaker 4: like so that they must be related. No, we can
Speaker 4: show that they come from the same linguistic words. The
Speaker 4: Greeks knew who the refae were. It was Heracles and
Speaker 4: Persias and those guys. They were the spirits of the
Speaker 4: Nephelene destroyed in the flood, and that, according to Ezekiel,
Speaker 4: is who's coming back. What does it mean to block
Speaker 4: the travelers. It doesn't mean there'll be so many dead
Speaker 4: bodies on the King's Highway that they won't be able
Speaker 4: to get to go to Amman to go shopping in Jordan.
Speaker 4: It means that they will not be resurrected. And that
Speaker 4: I think was propheesed by Isaiah and Isaiah twenty six,
Speaker 4: beginning at verse thirteen. Oh Lord, other lords besides you
Speaker 4: have ruled over us, but your name alone we bring
Speaker 4: to remembrance, which was important because in these rituals where
Speaker 4: you had to venerate the spirits of the nepheline, these
Speaker 4: demonic spirits, and the spirits of your ancestors, who were
Speaker 4: also just demons, you had to summon them by calling
Speaker 4: their names once a month. Every month, you had to
Speaker 4: say their names and then feed the little terrafm statues
Speaker 4: representing your dead ancestors and pour out a drink offering.
Speaker 4: That's what that means. Your name alone, we bring to
Speaker 4: remembrance these others. They're dead and they're going to stay dead.
Speaker 4: And that's why Isaiah wrote, they are dead, they will
Speaker 4: not live. They are refaem they will not arise. Isaiah
Speaker 4: in chapter twenty six is prophesying resurrection. You see that
Speaker 4: in verse nineteen. But here Ezekiel saying that will be
Speaker 4: buried in the valley of the Travelers, the valley below
Speaker 4: the mountain of the avarein the mountain of the travelers
Speaker 4: where Moses got his only look at the Holy land,
Speaker 4: and it will block the travelers. In other words, when
Speaker 4: that final trump sounds and we are raised up into
Speaker 4: incorruptible bodies, the travelers, the refaee, the demonic spirits of
Speaker 4: the giants destroyed in the flood. They're still dead.
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing info.
Speaker 8: So yeah, and I gotta jump in that that was fire.
Speaker 8: I gotta add too also and also they're in Isaiah
Speaker 8: twenty six and also then gets into the resurrection of
Speaker 8: the believers.
Speaker 4: Yes, it does.
Speaker 5: I think you're a respot on They're not going to
Speaker 5: be resurrected, but the believers will rise from the you know,
Speaker 5: our bodies, like like Christ will come from the dust.
Speaker 4: So what's what's really cool? Yeah, Isaiah twenty six nineteen.
Speaker 4: Your dead shall live, their bodies shall rise. You who
Speaker 4: dwell in the dust, awake and sing for joy, for
Speaker 4: your do is a dew of light. But then that
Speaker 4: last sentence there is translated badly. It says the earth
Speaker 4: will give birth to the refaee, and that seems to
Speaker 4: contradict Verses thirteen and fourteen above, But in the septuagen
Speaker 4: it's it's translated properly. Your due. The dew from you
Speaker 4: is a remedy for them, those who are in the
Speaker 4: dust and being raised up. But the land of the impius,
Speaker 4: or the land of the ungodly, will fall. And a
Speaker 4: scholar named Brooke W. A. Pearson analyzed that and said,
Speaker 4: this being translated in the third century BC by Jewish
Speaker 4: scholars who were surrounded by Greeks. I mean, these were
Speaker 4: in Alexandria. The Greek king of Egypt at that point,
Speaker 4: you wanted their holy books translated into Greek so that
Speaker 4: his citizens could read them. They knew who the Titans
Speaker 4: were of Greek religion and the land of the Impious.
Speaker 4: Considering that they're talking about the Refiene, and they knew
Speaker 4: the Rafayene where the children of these gods who were
Speaker 4: fallen angels. They knew that these were the heroes of
Speaker 4: the Greek religion. So when they're talking about the land
Speaker 4: of Thebias, they're talking about the land of the Refaene
Speaker 4: or Tartarus, which is where Abadon, Apollion and all of
Speaker 4: Chemiaza and all of the fallen sons of God from
Speaker 4: Genesis six, according to Peter and Jude, are currently in
Speaker 4: chains in gloomy.
Speaker 2: Oh amazing. Yeah, interesting, all right.
Speaker 1: So we so, so next to what I would ask
Speaker 1: is where does the United States fit in all this?
Speaker 1: You know, like, you know, we always see the United
Speaker 1: States backing Israel. Do you think they maybe backstab Israel
Speaker 1: and they you know, they ended up. You know, on
Speaker 1: the other side of this, where do you guys place
Speaker 1: the United States and the Gog and Magog wars.
Speaker 6: I'll go ahead, Yes, that's a difficult question.
Speaker 3: So just one thing before I launch into.
Speaker 6: That, just to finish the conversation that the gentlemen had,
Speaker 6: the the consequence of the wars for us, the antique
Speaker 6: crisis concerned. It may also try into Isa twenty eight
Speaker 6: and the Covenant would show the covenant with with Hell
Speaker 6: that Israel makes because it's imagine, if a war like
Speaker 6: this happens, the whole world's going to be like, we
Speaker 6: need peace. This has gotta stop, right, So you know,
Speaker 6: the Jihades are defeated, their spiritual awakening them. At least
Speaker 6: the Israel's has their because the resurrection that Zekal thirty
Speaker 6: seven talks about is in stages. There's bones, there's flesh,
Speaker 6: there's breath. So Israel is waking up in stages, and
Speaker 6: so this may be one of the stages of the
Speaker 6: awakening of Israel. And so the Israel God is glorified
Speaker 6: in the eyes of Israel, in the eyes.
Speaker 2: Of the enemies.
Speaker 6: The world war changes and sets up things for what's coming,
Speaker 6: and the Antichrist can come on the scene as the
Speaker 6: peacemaker and say, yes, we need peace, and this covenant
Speaker 6: may take place. And I don't see these things happening
Speaker 6: like in twenty four hours, and like I see like
Speaker 6: changes happening, new leaders coming up, you know, people in
Speaker 6: the West reorganizing, this conversation starting, and of course the
Speaker 6: Temple Mount would be in any final negotiation right as
Speaker 6: part of the conversation, because the Book of Revelation does
Speaker 6: seem to suggest that a piece of the Temple Mount
Speaker 6: is into the Gentiles, is cut out, and so the
Speaker 6: Muslims may get a piece of it, and the Jewish
Speaker 6: people may get a piece of it. There's a person
Speaker 6: in the can A set that recently, so that might
Speaker 6: be another consequence of this battle. Isaiah twenty eighth. Therefore,
Speaker 6: hear the word of ODAMAI use scoffers who ruled as
Speaker 6: people who are in Jerusalem, So it speaks specifically the
Speaker 6: rulership of Jerusalem. Because you have said, we cut a
Speaker 6: covenant with death, we made a pack with Shoul, so
Speaker 6: when the overflowing scorch passes through, it won't come for us,
Speaker 6: for we have made lies our refuge and hit ourselves
Speaker 6: in falsehood. So even though they think that they're making
Speaker 6: a deal, a final solution of peace with their enemies,
Speaker 6: but their covenant is not blessed by God. This is
Speaker 6: not how God sees it, because in fact, they don't
Speaker 6: make any covenants with the spiritual forces that are behind
Speaker 6: the nations, because they are not just nations, even though
Speaker 6: the secular Jewish miamay Night see it that way. They're
Speaker 6: spiritual forces, and Israel's entering into covenant with them, like
Speaker 6: the Satan offers as to the Lord, but he offers
Speaker 6: the empires to the Lord to have with Israel, and
Speaker 6: he refuses it. And of course God says that, you know,
Speaker 6: you should put your trust in the cornerstone, the firm foundation,
Speaker 6: which is, you know, the Messiah. So that's another consequence
Speaker 6: that we may see coming out of this war, the
Speaker 6: rise of this covenant, which itself is very important prophetically
Speaker 6: because the world will cry out for peace. As far
Speaker 6: as where is the United States in such a war
Speaker 6: as this, that's a great question.
Speaker 3: So basically I look.
Speaker 6: For patterns of previous wars. Where was the United States
Speaker 6: in nineteen sixty seven? Where was the United States in
Speaker 6: the Young Keeper War of nineteen seventy one, where was
Speaker 6: the United States? It really wasn't right there. Goldemeyer was
Speaker 6: able to convince Nixon to sense weapons during the nineteen
Speaker 6: sixty seven war. There's weapons that arrived fully, the bullets
Speaker 6: and everything loaded. And that's because of something that happened
Speaker 6: to Nixon when who was a child, his mother reading
Speaker 6: the Bible over him as a child.
Speaker 3: A memory came to him.
Speaker 6: Actually when Goldemeyer asked for aid. But I don't think
Speaker 6: America would get involved with the regional war. That's why
Speaker 6: these that if even if Russia is involved in this,
Speaker 6: I don't know, it would be like the pattern that's
Speaker 6: been set. They militarily give the weapons, but they don't
Speaker 6: politically get involved. Because yes, if Russia actually got off
Speaker 6: and attacked Israel to expand its influence, then yes, America,
Speaker 6: in the way that the world's powers are laid out,
Speaker 6: would have has to count counter that to protect.
Speaker 3: Its power base.
Speaker 6: So that's why I don't think that this may not
Speaker 6: have those that's the Armageddon war, that is the War
Speaker 6: of Omegon, that will have you know, the Knights.
Speaker 3: This will be a part of Armageddon.
Speaker 6: But I don't think in this war, the pattern so
Speaker 6: far has been that the great powers watch from behind
Speaker 6: and support from behind. So I think this is going
Speaker 6: to be the same. Chuck Missler used to suggest that
Speaker 6: the people that live security in the isles that are
Speaker 6: suddenly hit by the enemy are, in fact, you know, America.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure about that. I don't know, and I
Speaker 6: don't think so to be honest, but it's possible. So
Speaker 6: I see this more as the actual players of this
Speaker 6: battle to be perhaps still regional, non Arabic Islamic nations
Speaker 6: supported by industrial patrons. And so I see America in
Speaker 6: the kind of in the back and last point with America,
Speaker 6: it also depends who's in power, the Democrats, the Obamas,
Speaker 6: and the Biden administration that continues the Obama doctrine of
Speaker 6: foreign policy when it comes to them, at least does
Speaker 6: have an anti Semitic vein in it. That's why the
Speaker 6: Gaza War, where the Islamic Republic you know, okay, the
Speaker 6: Hamas to throw six thousand rockets because they pay for it,
Speaker 6: happened after Biden won the presidency. It didn't happen under Trump.
Speaker 6: There is this feeling that somehow, you know, the progressive Democrats,
Speaker 6: they tend to be more in line with Islamic militancy
Speaker 6: when it comes to their foreign policy vis the the Israel.
Speaker 6: They share a common bond of this anti Semitic antichrist,
Speaker 6: you know, spirit for different ends, right, they have different
Speaker 6: visions of the future.
Speaker 3: So it also depends who's in power when this war
Speaker 3: happened in the United States.
Speaker 6: Will it be a pros real government or will it
Speaker 6: be one that's more gives the cold shoulders to Israel?
Speaker 2: Oh something happened? Did I pin myself? Yep, I did.
Speaker 6: Let me remove that.
Speaker 1: Okay, there we go, Sorry about that, Okay, Ryan, Next up?
Speaker 1: Where do you think America fits in the end times
Speaker 1: or into these wars?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I've had an interesting observation that America
Speaker 5: is kind of not hasn't been involved in past wars,
Speaker 5: and I think that, you know, I think that will repeat, right,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's we kind of we're kind of
Speaker 5: going back to full circle to what was say in
Speaker 5: the beginning that this is, you know, ultimately, this is
Speaker 5: the world against God's nation, right, which is kind of
Speaker 5: how it was all set up in the beginning. You know,
Speaker 5: when you go back to the ideas of the Divine
Speaker 5: Council and God dividing the nations, you know, among the
Speaker 5: fallen angels and keeping Israel, you know, but his nation,
Speaker 5: his land for himself. That's really what the battle comes to.
Speaker 5: The geography of the battle is Israel versus the world.
Speaker 5: And so I think ultimately that means all nations that
Speaker 5: are outside of the Israel going to come up against
Speaker 5: against uh against Israel in the en Times. So I
Speaker 5: don't I don't see America really playing a big role.
Speaker 5: And if you think about too, if you think about
Speaker 5: two again, there's going to be what you know, kind
Speaker 5: of going back to Ali was saying in terms of
Speaker 5: there's going to be this big kind of stage set
Speaker 5: for this deception and that people are going to be
Speaker 5: I think probably in the initial phase supporting Israel, right,
Speaker 5: and then this kind of goes to the idea of
Speaker 5: Revelation seventeen and eighteen and Mystery of Babylon. And I
Speaker 5: think that when you see I think you see this,
Speaker 5: you know, the description of all the goods and the
Speaker 5: commerce that's taking place in Mystery Babylon, which I believe
Speaker 5: is end Times Israel. Israel in the Great Tribulation the goods,
Speaker 5: the scarlet, the gold, silver, ivory, cinnamon, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: thighing wood. All these things are specific to the temple construction,
Speaker 5: the tabernac, all the things are required for temple ritual,
Speaker 5: which again I believe we're going to see this revival
Speaker 5: of mosaic levitical sacrifice and oblation in the Third Temple
Speaker 5: in the first three and a half years of Antichrist.
Speaker 5: So I think the world will, probably with good intention, think, hey,
Speaker 5: Israel's back, the Temple's here, we want to support because
Speaker 5: it says there's massive amounts of commerce coming in and
Speaker 5: I tie that all back to the temple. Right that
Speaker 5: this is because the Temple has actually been restored, is
Speaker 5: doing daily sacrifice and oblation. So I think America might
Speaker 5: be in that role, unfortunately, in a deceived role. In
Speaker 5: one way, it's good, right, because it is that first stage, right,
Speaker 5: is the bones in the flesh getting on the bones
Speaker 5: of Israel that they are acknowledging Yahweh and reads doing this,
Speaker 5: but it's being ultimately led by the false Messiah. Right,
Speaker 5: this is still a part of the grand deception of Antichrist.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so that's kind of where I in a
Speaker 5: place American.
Speaker 2: And Derek next up. Derek, I think you might be muted.
Speaker 4: And since I'm using my iPad, I got to reach
Speaker 4: out here. So if I look like I really don't
Speaker 4: have a whole lot to add here, because I think
Speaker 4: we really have to dig really hard and try to
Speaker 4: read into the Bible to try to find the United
Speaker 4: States in there. And that's kind of an a meurocentric view,
Speaker 4: which a lot of us have when it comes to
Speaker 4: End Times prophecy. Anyway, Oh, you know we're not in
Speaker 4: the tribulation yet. Well, yeah, I think the church in
Speaker 4: China might argue that, or the church in the Middle East,
Speaker 4: where you know, Coptic Christians have been tribulated for about
Speaker 4: fourteen hundred years. So we have to be careful as
Speaker 4: Americans not to try too hard to see oh, young
Speaker 4: lions that must be us, or the eagle that carries
Speaker 4: or you know, the wings of an eagle to carry
Speaker 4: the woman out into the No. I don't know. There
Speaker 4: are a lot of countries that are not specifically mentioned
Speaker 4: in End Times prophecy. I don't see China specifically in
Speaker 4: End Times prophecy either. In China's a heck of a
Speaker 4: lot bigger than the United States in people. But the
Speaker 4: Kings of the East, by the way, that are mentioned
Speaker 4: in the Book of Revelation, I take as the ten
Speaker 4: Kings similar to the Ten Kings of Revelation, I take
Speaker 4: them as supernatural beings. But anyway, the yeah, I just
Speaker 4: don't see anything obvious other than what I said earlier
Speaker 4: about the opponents of Israel in Ezekiel thirty eight coming
Speaker 4: from all four corners of the world. I think the
Speaker 4: whole world is coming to fight against God at Jerusalem,
Speaker 4: and so the United States will be part of that coalition.
Speaker 2: You suck you guts, all right? Awesome?
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so my next question would be where in
Speaker 1: the end times do these wars take place?
Speaker 2: Like where in the end times timeline? Basically do these
Speaker 2: wars take place?
Speaker 6: So well, in my personal opinion, and this is and
Speaker 6: I changed my mind as I at this point in
Speaker 6: time where you've asked me this question. So this is
Speaker 6: I think that this particular war could happen in the
Speaker 6: twenty twenties right and kickstart a whole new stage of
Speaker 6: the prophetic plan.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why. I think that.
Speaker 6: It has to do with the window I have into
Speaker 6: the role of Persia, which is one of the main
Speaker 6: countries mentioned in this war. Apparently, you know, the first
Speaker 6: leaders in the war are the main countries, and then
Speaker 6: the second country mentioned is the main ally so the
Speaker 6: Islamic Republic. In twenty eighteen, Donald Trump pulled out of
Speaker 6: the nuclear deal JCPO, and then he said that he
Speaker 6: gave Iran one hundred and eighty days to accept his
Speaker 6: terms or he would bring maximum sanctions. And it's interesting
Speaker 6: because when the clock started ticking from when he said
Speaker 6: that the one hundred and eighty days, the one hundred
Speaker 6: and eightieth day fell on the anniversary when the Siment
Speaker 6: Republic took the US embassy hostage. Now that's a very
Speaker 6: important day in Iran. There's no celebrations, manifestations, everything. They
Speaker 6: make a huge deal of it. It was what sealed
Speaker 6: the power of the revolutionary head Promeni, the supreme leader.
Speaker 6: He started to negotiate with the United States the first
Speaker 6: you know, Prime Minister President under him wrote a book later,
Speaker 6: and I don't know if it's true or not, because
Speaker 6: they might just say things. They said that he said
Speaker 6: at least that he was involved in the fact that
Speaker 6: negotiations were done behind the curtains with wrong Reagan, that
Speaker 6: Reagan said, don't let the hostages free under Carter, because
Speaker 6: he'll use that as to show how Carter is weak.
Speaker 6: And then it's interesting because the hostages were released at
Speaker 6: midnight after Reagan won, and weapons began to flow into
Speaker 6: the hands of the Supreme Leader as he went to
Speaker 6: war with Iraq, and that was called, you know, the
Speaker 6: Iran gates later when it came out that there's weapons.
Speaker 6: And so that day of the embassy being taken was
Speaker 6: seen with hindsight as what sealed the power of the revolutionaries.
Speaker 6: It really clicked them into place. They were able to
Speaker 6: take the embassy United States and negotiate the America and
Speaker 6: come out victorious at the other end and begin their
Speaker 6: rule and shortly were so now Trump was saying that
Speaker 6: I'm going to pull out in a one hundred and
Speaker 6: eighty days, undred and eightieth day where all these sanctions
Speaker 6: would come over. Iran fell on that day, on that
Speaker 6: anniversary of that event, and so even the Shia and
Speaker 6: Iran felt there was a divine judgments happening here. They
Speaker 6: felt there was something strange and spooky about how it
Speaker 6: naturally felt. And so what Trump did fracture the power
Speaker 6: it made huge difference changes inside of the country's power structure,
Speaker 6: and he killed Soleimani, right, And you know there's dram
Speaker 6: has two horns, the military horn and the political horn.
Speaker 6: The I know it's the Meds and the Persians, but
Speaker 6: there was a military horn that was destroyed, even though
Speaker 6: the political horn, the supreme leader, the religious horn stays.
Speaker 6: And Iran was an ally of Israel until nineteen seventy
Speaker 6: nine and then this is time revolution flipped it into
Speaker 6: an enemy. So there was an ideological spiritual change. And
Speaker 6: it's interesting because the shaw of Uran had this entire
Speaker 6: inauguration for his He had this crowning in the nineteen
Speaker 6: seventies where he went to Persopolis, the ancient Persian capital,
Speaker 6: and crowned himself as an Achamenean king and accepted therefore
Speaker 6: the governmental decrees of the Acamenians, which ended the Hebrew scriptures,
Speaker 6: the Decree of Cyrus. So when the Issigment Republic took over,
Speaker 6: it actually in a way reversed that decree. Right, there
Speaker 6: was a spiritual change that happened. They had prepared this,
Speaker 6: so these guys, I think, have to be in power,
Speaker 6: but what Trump did to them created a massive shift
Speaker 6: there's something that happened. It was a wound that he
Speaker 6: gave them, and this wound is deep. I think the
Speaker 6: fiftieth year of their rule, you know, twenty twenty nine
Speaker 6: is the year of Jubilee, and there's a chance that
Speaker 6: they're going to So one of the changes that Trump's
Speaker 6: actions brought about was that the religious came to the
Speaker 6: forefront because the Supreme leader rules through a coalition, and
Speaker 6: he was convinced by this other faction that if he
Speaker 6: makes some sort of diplomatic solution with the West, this
Speaker 6: will prolong his rule because that's the most important thing.
Speaker 6: The Supreme the original guy, told them that to keep
Speaker 6: the rule going is the most important thing. But when
Speaker 6: the United States pulled out of that deal, the hardliners
Speaker 6: and the religious that said, no, we should stay true
Speaker 6: to the fact that this is a spiritual enemy America is.
Speaker 6: You know, they representative of Satan. We can't make a
Speaker 6: deal with them. They came to the forefront. They said
Speaker 6: to the Supreme there you see, we were right. You
Speaker 6: can't trust them. And so the religious came to the forefront.
Speaker 6: The hardliners came to the forefront, and they ramped up
Speaker 6: the whole idea of an apocalyptic war. They've created the
Speaker 6: entire department in the IRGCEE that teaches young recruits about
Speaker 6: Shia scatology and about the coming of the Mendia. They're
Speaker 6: indoctrinating them into this idea. And now they've put into
Speaker 6: place this idea of the United Front strategy of Soley money.
Speaker 6: So there is this the fact that there was there
Speaker 6: was this the fiftieth yearies coming. They were delivered a
Speaker 6: blow that made them go more into hardline religious apocalyptic mode.
Speaker 6: They you know, the Russia suddenly has had this problems
Speaker 6: that has brought them together closer with them and they
Speaker 6: feel they have this support. And finally, I'll end with this,
Speaker 6: but I think it's a good story. In nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 6: I had this urge, this voice kept coming into my
Speaker 6: spirit to go tell my dad that if this war happens,
Speaker 6: it's in Ezekiel, he should disagree with it in his conscience,
Speaker 6: even if you can't do anything about it. When I
Speaker 6: went to Iran, there's a whole long story that happened,
Speaker 6: but it led to a few things. You know, he
Speaker 6: was baptized as White, was baptized. Seven other people were
Speaker 6: baptized and on the road to Isfahan. We had this
Speaker 6: UFO siding close up that led to the creation of euphos,
Speaker 6: angels and gods. And his wife said, oh, this is
Speaker 6: a sign from God to tell us that all that
Speaker 6: Ali's saying is true. And so that was interesting that
Speaker 6: I went to deliver this message about Ezekiel and all
Speaker 6: these things happened. Now fast forward to two thousand.
Speaker 3: And eighteen.
Speaker 6: The last time I was there, my father at this
Speaker 6: point had passed away and I was just dealing with
Speaker 6: the state and I was going to sell a few
Speaker 6: things that he had left my and my sister to
Speaker 6: this man who decided to buy them. I don't know
Speaker 6: who he was, but when I got there, I realized
Speaker 6: that he was an IRGC guy. He was a hardliner,
Speaker 6: and he was even he had even done like camps
Speaker 6: with the Supreme Leader, like adult Islamic camps. You know,
Speaker 6: he had chosen and so I'm okay, but whatever, he
Speaker 6: wants to buy my stuff. At ten days here, I
Speaker 6: want to get out.
Speaker 2: And so we're in the car.
Speaker 6: Going to negotiate his country home, and suddenly it takes
Speaker 6: as an icebreaker. He brings the phone out and he says, hey,
Speaker 6: look at this video, and he gives me this video
Speaker 6: to watch, and it's a video of IRGC command saying
Speaker 6: to their own people, if the Americans attacked, don't worry.
Speaker 6: This is after Trump has taken pulled out.
Speaker 5: Don't worry.
Speaker 6: We have put bombs on the ground of the Straight
Speaker 6: of Horror. Moves will blow it up and sink the
Speaker 6: American economy, and this will sink Trump's presidency. So we
Speaker 6: have this. He wants to militarily come, we will economically retaliate,
Speaker 6: because you know, ninety percent of the oil of the
Speaker 6: world goes for the state of Horrmons, the Strait of Hormers.
Speaker 6: So and I looked at it and I said, well,
Speaker 6: you know, the CIA and Masada and these guys, they're
Speaker 6: going to pick up on this video. He said, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's the whole point. It's we're sending a message. This
Speaker 6: is you know, you can do that, but we've got
Speaker 6: this going. And then from there he took the phone
Speaker 6: back and then he launched until suddenly he became this
Speaker 6: other person. He launched into this whole apocalyptic monologue about
Speaker 6: how the end times had come and God would never
Speaker 6: give the victory to a horrmonger and a gambler. And
Speaker 6: you know, the Americans had made a strategic mistake to
Speaker 6: select an unrighteous man, and this had put them in
Speaker 6: a place of spiritual weakness. And that what they had
Speaker 6: been waiting for since the beginning of the Revolution to
Speaker 6: have their apocalyptic war. The time had come, and you know,
Speaker 6: Trump would deliver the victory to them because he was
Speaker 6: an unrighteous man and they were righteous.
Speaker 2: And he went on.
Speaker 6: It was huge.
Speaker 3: He just went on forever.
Speaker 6: And I was listening to him, and then I thought, okay,
Speaker 6: do I want to say something? Do I know to
Speaker 6: say something? I just want to make a deal, and
Speaker 6: they don't want to find myself like in a prison
Speaker 6: cell or something, you know, by declaring who I am.
Speaker 6: On the other hand, I'm like, well, I can't stay quiet.
Speaker 3: I got to say something. And so I was just
Speaker 3: praying about it.
Speaker 6: I just launched into into this, you know, and I
Speaker 6: was going to quote to him. So I said to him,
Speaker 6: you know, sir, there is another prophecy other than what
Speaker 6: the ones you've just quoted me from Schieskatology. There's another
Speaker 6: prophecy in the other book in which there is a
Speaker 6: battle against this rule and Iran is involved.
Speaker 5: But in that one you ran loses, and now I
Speaker 5: wanted to.
Speaker 6: Quote the verse to him about Persia being involved. And
Speaker 6: here I am trying to find it, first of all,
Speaker 6: even in English in my head, you know, now I
Speaker 6: have to translate it into Persian. I'd quoted this propheting
Speaker 6: person since I went to talk to my dad, you know,
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety nine. And suddenly I opened my mouth.
Speaker 6: And for about two years I didn't tell this to
Speaker 6: anybody because I was so shocked at what happened that I.
Speaker 1: Was, you know.
Speaker 6: Finally I said it to a small group of people,
Speaker 6: and that kind of opened the conversation up. As I
Speaker 6: opened my mouth, suddenly, a kid, you not, this is
Speaker 6: what happened. A light appeared on my chest, and in
Speaker 6: this I began to see in slow motion Hebrew script
Speaker 6: being written in black slowly like this. And then I
Speaker 6: opened my mouth and with perfect grammar, perfect punctuation, literally
Speaker 6: like I was reading the Bible right in front of
Speaker 6: my face, I quoted the whole thing to him, like
Speaker 6: the passage about Persia and the list of countries. And
Speaker 6: there was like a thickness, like there was like a
Speaker 6: brick concrete between us, like you could I felt like
Speaker 6: you put your hand in front of my mouth. You'd
Speaker 6: hit like you know, a brick wall or something. And
Speaker 6: it was like it was coming on like and and
Speaker 6: I like, I wasn't so much seeing him. I was
Speaker 6: just experiencing this. I was seeing the letters appear, and
Speaker 6: I was speaking. When I was done, I was myself like, wow,
Speaker 6: what just happened? Like in my head? And then I
Speaker 6: noticed that he was bent over on the steering wheel
Speaker 6: after he'd just done this huge, you know speech, And
Speaker 6: he looked up at me like this, like you know, surprised,
Speaker 6: and it was like someone had drained the color from
Speaker 6: his face. And he said to me then he said,
Speaker 6: where is this book? I need to see this prophecy
Speaker 6: for myself. I need to read this for myself. And
Speaker 6: at this point, we're driving through a small town and
Speaker 6: he looked around to see if there's a bookstore. I said, sir,
Speaker 6: you know this book is illegal here. This is from
Speaker 6: the Bible. You can't buy this here. He said yes.
Speaker 6: Then he looked at me again. He said, what am
Speaker 6: I doing buying your stuff? I should be selling mine
Speaker 6: and getting out of here. There was this huge, you
Speaker 6: know change on him. That's why that's where actually I
Speaker 6: draw the insight that when these Holy warriors come against
Speaker 6: Israel and they lose, they will have this exact insight.
Speaker 3: That this man had in the car.
Speaker 6: Some spiritual burden will fall from their heads that's haunting them,
Speaker 6: and it'll be free from that. But there are people
Speaker 6: who are really interested in God. They just have been
Speaker 6: deceived by a principality, and so they will start to look,
Speaker 6: you know, on the Bible side, and that I think
Speaker 6: will exasperate the revival that's already started and change the
Speaker 6: spiritual landscape of the Middle East. And then he said
Speaker 6: to me, Now the conversation relaxed and really started, and
Speaker 6: I was all relaxed, realizing about God intervened and he
Speaker 6: said to me, okay, so who are the Evangelicals? And
Speaker 6: I kind of explained that to him, and then his
Speaker 6: second question was who are the Masons?
Speaker 3: That was the second question.
Speaker 6: So for me, these guys that So when I came
Speaker 6: back here home Canada, I looked back at this story
Speaker 6: and I thought, wow, twice I had these spiritual experiences
Speaker 6: in nineteen nine nine into two thousand and seen, and
Speaker 6: twice it was related to this prophecy. Once I went
Speaker 6: to deliver it to my dad, and this whole spiritual
Speaker 6: thing happened. This time I quoted this guy, and this
Speaker 6: whole thing happened. And so looking at the book hands
Speaker 6: two bookkends that this is Zekil Prophets was the bookend
Speaker 6: of these two experiences. I thought, Wow, I think God
Speaker 6: is telling me that this war is going to happen
Speaker 6: under these guys. And these guys are actually quite brutal.
Speaker 6: I mean, they're strong in the country, they have power,
Speaker 6: and they have power region that they don't have popular
Speaker 6: support anymore. Over the past forty three years, one by one,
Speaker 6: every faction of society has pulled away from them, including
Speaker 6: the religious. You know, the people in the seminary wrote
Speaker 6: a letter recently to the Supreme Leader saying, you know,
Speaker 6: your interpretation is to narrow, et cetera.
Speaker 3: So now they're isolated to really their.
Speaker 6: Hardliners, which is maybe numbers over a million, like they're
Speaker 6: not like, you know, it's a country of eighty million.
Speaker 6: But still they're brittal in their isolation, and this war
Speaker 6: maybe in their thinking their ticket to power because they're.
Speaker 3: Doing God's work.
Speaker 6: They're going to win. They're going to bring them math.
Speaker 6: The natural everybody they were right, So I feel like
Speaker 6: there's a force within the country pushing against them. There
Speaker 6: is a revolutionary spirit, there's a revival as this new
Speaker 6: generation is rising. Because most people are under age of
Speaker 6: forty in the country, right, they were born after the
Speaker 6: war with Era, after the soldiers came back from the
Speaker 6: Randirect War, there was a baby boom and that's when
Speaker 6: most people are born. And then there is this fiftieth
Speaker 6: Jubilee coming. So that's why I think this war may
Speaker 6: happen in the twenty twenties. Just looking at this one
Speaker 6: player and their particular setup, I feel they're coming to
Speaker 6: the end of their story. I feel the religious have
Speaker 6: taken over since Trump pulled out of the GUCPOA. I
Speaker 6: feel they they're cornered and they feel that this apocalyptic
Speaker 6: wars maybe they're ticket to holding power in victory. And
Speaker 6: yet I see a force rising against them, both inside
Speaker 6: and outside the country. So I feel like if these
Speaker 6: guys are the players, they're going to do this, and
Speaker 6: the new government that comes into power after them will
Speaker 6: be a more of an established, respected world order government
Speaker 6: that could easily partake in the final armaged in battle
Speaker 6: because they'll be part of the you know, the antichrist
Speaker 6: imperial system. Persia Is is one of the empires of
Speaker 6: the statue after all. All right, anyways, so timeline, I
Speaker 6: think it's in the twenties and I think it sets
Speaker 6: up future prophecies.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Okay, Ryan, next up, and this this will be
Speaker 1: the final What we just went through will be the
Speaker 1: final question that I'll have you guys have ending comments. Okay, so,
Speaker 1: uh what I what I asked, like, where does it
Speaker 1: end up on the timeline will be the final one.
Speaker 1: So go ahead, Ryan, and uh.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 5: So in terms of the the timing, you know, I
Speaker 5: don't have a date per se. I do think, you know,
Speaker 5: I always said I look to revelation and the prophecies
Speaker 5: and the details of revelation and what couldn't be achieved,
Speaker 5: what's left, right, I mean, think about things like the
Speaker 5: mark of the beast, something that can control buying and selling.
Speaker 5: It's inserted into our hand. That is very feasible nowadays,
Speaker 5: you know, in this day and age, we're living with
Speaker 5: RFID technology and even beyond that, now they can have
Speaker 5: RFID tattoos to have a chip anymore. So in terms
Speaker 5: of the logistics, you know, the two witnesses being slain
Speaker 5: and their bodies are seen by the entire world. Again
Speaker 5: even ten years ago that wasn't feasible, now completely feasible
Speaker 5: on multiple social media outlets TikTok, Instagram, it can be
Speaker 5: all but billions of people can watch this event take place,
Speaker 5: so we all this can happen in our lifetime and where.
Speaker 5: But in terms of the sequence of the events, again,
Speaker 5: I think that you know, the battles are happening in
Speaker 5: order of that God May God is really kicking off
Speaker 5: the rich relation. And then of course you have Armageddon,
Speaker 5: which I think this ties into because you have this
Speaker 5: language in his Eco about the flesh, inviting the birds
Speaker 5: and the beast to dine right on the flesh of kings,
Speaker 5: as you see in Revelation at Armageddon and then the
Speaker 5: final battle of courts at the end of the millenniums
Speaker 5: what at Colled Satan's last strike on the Holy City
Speaker 5: when he's defeated permanently and finally cast into like gafire
Speaker 5: by Jahweh. And so one thing though, in terms of
Speaker 5: the timing that I wanted to talk about also, Derek
Speaker 5: Maan you know, kind of alluded early to the idea
Speaker 5: of the ten Kings, these ten Kings that emerge being
Speaker 5: divine realm angelic beings. And I think when we think
Speaker 5: about the timing and everything that's happening in these years,
Speaker 5: I think after the first God Made God War, it's
Speaker 5: really again like the days of Knowing in terms of
Speaker 5: the veil being removed between the the spirit realm and
Speaker 5: the human realm. So you're going to have this interaction
Speaker 5: of angelic beings on Earth, manifesting beings who have supernatural powers.
Speaker 5: And I think the ten Kings also, I also believe
Speaker 5: are going to be angelic fallen angelic rulers, right, and
Speaker 5: who are going to come and be a part of
Speaker 5: this big deception of trying to point the world to
Speaker 5: Antichrist and Jerusalem and then ultimately betraying Jerusalem. Right. And
Speaker 5: so you know, this again goes back to Revelation seventeen
Speaker 5: eighteen and mister Bablin says that they the ten Kings
Speaker 5: ultimately they give they reign with the beast for an hour,
Speaker 5: but then and give their power over to the Beast.
Speaker 5: But then it's in their heart to attack, mister Babylon,
Speaker 5: to attack the Horn. I think that judgment is going
Speaker 5: to be at the midpoint, right when the Antichrist, Now,
Speaker 5: when the deception is over and he now proclaims himself God,
Speaker 5: He's not presenting himself as a Jewish faithful part of
Speaker 5: the leader of their Jewish religion anymore. He's going to
Speaker 5: just present himself as as clearing himself himself God commit
Speaker 5: the abomination of destollation. And that's when we see the
Speaker 5: the you know, the high term, you know, when Israel's
Speaker 5: betrayed by the anti Christ and so so yeah, so
Speaker 5: I think the ten Kings play a huge role in that,
Speaker 5: and it will be a part of the actual attack
Speaker 5: on Jerusalem, on the Holy City. And the thing is
Speaker 5: also when you talk about the t I means that
Speaker 5: we talked about Zachariah fourteen. It's interesting that you have
Speaker 5: I think Zacharai twelve, thirteen, and fourteen are just taking
Speaker 5: us right through this exact same period of the Great Tribulation.
Speaker 5: And it starts in Zacharai twelve with a victorious battle
Speaker 5: where the enemies of Jerusalem are conquered and Israel is
Speaker 5: fighting valiantly, and then zacharia A fourteen when you get
Speaker 5: to fourteen, all of since it's a battle where Israel's
Speaker 5: losing since the city will be ravaged, that half the
Speaker 5: people will have to flee. And I think that's the
Speaker 5: timing of the Antichrist's betrayal of Israel and setting the
Speaker 5: stage fore arm again where now now there's going to
Speaker 5: be some suffering and continued purging by the enemies of
Speaker 5: God before Jesus comes. And so I think ultimate's gonna
Speaker 5: happen is that God is going to have to step
Speaker 5: in and judge the kingdom of Antichrist of the beast
Speaker 5: to force him out of Jerusalem. And you think about
Speaker 5: the ten Kings without this whole idea of the number
Speaker 5: ten being symbolic of God's divine judgment, you know the
Speaker 5: ten Commandments, when what you know in numbers Chapter thirteen,
Speaker 5: the twelve Spies. It was ten spies who said the
Speaker 5: benefeling that God could not defeat the sons of An,
Speaker 5: the nepheline giants who are blocking the entrance to the
Speaker 5: Promised Lim.
Speaker 4: And this got it.
Speaker 5: And God said, you have tested me these ten times,
Speaker 5: and so now I'll punish you. At the Exodus, there
Speaker 5: were ten plagues, and God specifically said he was judging
Speaker 5: not just Egypt, but they're gods as well with those
Speaker 5: ten plagues. So we see this idea of this number
Speaker 5: ten being this God's judgment and also this spiritual warfare
Speaker 5: being waged, and so I think the ten Kings will
Speaker 5: start leading this attack. They will, and the vile judgments,
Speaker 5: you know, God pours out these judgments that they are
Speaker 5: specifically targeted at the anti Christ and his worshippers. Right,
Speaker 5: you have the boils on the skin, the sun scorches them,
Speaker 5: and then there's darkness on the throne. It says, in
Speaker 5: the seat of the beast. And I think that's what
Speaker 5: forces him to flee and rally at Meguedo, and that
Speaker 5: where and we talked about Armageddon earlier. I believe Armageddon
Speaker 5: is a series of battles that's gonna stretch from Meguedo
Speaker 5: where it starts. Basically, it's almost like thinking about like
Speaker 5: a boxing ring. We have the Antichrist at Meguedo. You
Speaker 5: have Christ I believe will be in Edom with the
Speaker 5: remnant of Israel who have fled to Edom to be
Speaker 5: protected supernaturally for the last three and a half years,
Speaker 5: and then they meet in Jerusalem, and ultimately would be
Speaker 5: in Jerusalem. I believe in the Valley of jehosephat the
Speaker 5: Kidron Valley, and we talked about that. Of course, you
Speaker 5: see this this in zach Ar fourteen where Jesus is
Speaker 5: gonna set his feet on the Mount of Olives and
Speaker 5: and the mountain separates. And I believe the last because
Speaker 5: you know, it's it says that when Jerusalem is being attacked.
Speaker 5: It says that in Zachar fourteen that a remnant will remain,
Speaker 5: will not be cut off from the city, so there's
Speaker 5: still going to be the believers. And I believe when
Speaker 5: the Antichrist is coming from a guido coming south and
Speaker 5: this I think, and I believe his warpath is actually
Speaker 5: detailed in Isaiah ten, and we talked about the Assyrian
Speaker 5: the path he takes that they that the final is
Speaker 5: Jewish believers will flee when that mountain, when Jesus sets
Speaker 5: his feet on the Mount of Olives is it will separate,
Speaker 5: it will split, it will split in half north and south.
Speaker 5: And I believe that's a repetition of the Exodus, that
Speaker 5: just like the Red Sea Party, to set up Pharaoh,
Speaker 5: to allow the Israelies this to escape and set up
Speaker 5: Pharaoh for his doom. I believe it's going to be
Speaker 5: exact repetition where the mountain now separates in half, the
Speaker 5: Israel's flee through the valley that is created supernaturally in
Speaker 5: that moment, and as the Antichrist pursues, that's where Jesus
Speaker 5: will destroy him in the Valley of Jehols about the
Speaker 5: Kidron Valley, which of course is in between the Temple
Speaker 5: and the Mount of Olives. So I think that's how
Speaker 5: it will all in terms of the timing, culminate right
Speaker 5: in the Holy City.
Speaker 4: Derek next up, Well, I don't know what the dates are,
Speaker 4: but it's awfully close. We look at a number of
Speaker 4: geopolitical things out there, Ali, I think summarized a lot
Speaker 4: better than I could have because I wasn't aware of
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff, what was going on inside Iran.
Speaker 4: But certainly what we've seen with the reproach mall, to
Speaker 4: use the French word, the restoration of relations between the
Speaker 4: Saudis and Iran is mind boggling. I didn't see that coming,
Speaker 4: but I don't understand Islam as well as you do.
Speaker 4: But what I do know is that there's been centuries
Speaker 4: of division between Shia and Sunni, and that is not
Speaker 4: a small thing that we in the West shouldn't take lightly.
Speaker 4: That is really huge. You've also got a split in
Speaker 4: the global economy that's developing. The bricks nations Brazil, Russia, India, China, Okay,
Speaker 4: South Africa soon to include in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran.
Speaker 5: All banding together.
Speaker 4: So you've got about sixty percent of the world's population
Speaker 4: and a big percentage of the natural resources. Between Russia
Speaker 4: and Arabia, you've got a huge chunk of the oil,
Speaker 4: and Iran with natural gas as well, which of course
Speaker 4: the Chinese love because they're going to take advantage of that.
Speaker 4: But what we in the West have not really also
Speaker 4: heard much about is the fact that China's one child
Speaker 4: policy that they enforced since the days of Mao sixty
Speaker 4: years has worked a little too well. The United Nations
Speaker 4: demographers predict that by the time this century ends, China
Speaker 4: may have shrunk from one point six billion to as
Speaker 4: few as a nine hundred million, and some put it
Speaker 4: as low as seven hundred million, which means they're getting older,
Speaker 4: which means you've got a lot fewer men of fighting age.
Speaker 4: So if China is going to provoke something, try to
Speaker 4: make the twenty first century the century of China, just
Speaker 4: as the twentieth was the century of America, to get
Speaker 4: revenge for what they call a century of shame from
Speaker 4: the eighteen thirties until the end of World War Two
Speaker 4: where they were abused and exploited by the Western Powers.
Speaker 4: The Chinese are going to have to make a move soon.
Speaker 4: So I think the world is really going to be
Speaker 4: turned upside down here in the next few years because
Speaker 4: of what has been going on geopolitically with the Bricks
Speaker 4: Nations on one side. There's some reports now by the way,
Speaker 4: that they planned at their meeting coming up in the
Speaker 4: fall to launch a new gold backed currency to counter
Speaker 4: the power of the United States dollars, the world's de
Speaker 4: facto reserve currency, and with the Saudis on board with
Speaker 4: this plan. If the Saudis are on board with this plan,
Speaker 4: because their insistence on US dollars in payment for their
Speaker 4: oil has made the United States style of the world's
Speaker 4: reserve currency. The United States dollar is really backed by
Speaker 4: Arab oil. I mean it could be, you know, it
Speaker 4: almost was under Donald Trump, backed by American oil. But
Speaker 4: if they proceed with this and decouple from the United States,
Speaker 4: and this is why Janet Yellen, as we're recording this,
Speaker 4: by the way, has just spent several days in China,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if you've seen any of the
Speaker 4: pictures or video of Janet Yellen constantly bowing to her
Speaker 4: Chinese counterparts. I think that Biden or somebody behind the
Speaker 4: scenes made it very clear to the Secretary of the
Speaker 4: Treasury that she needed to make nice with the Chinese
Speaker 4: because one point six billion people world's potentially largest global
Speaker 4: economy here in the next few years, we can't decouple,
Speaker 4: otherwise the US dollar will collapse. That may be, by
Speaker 4: the way, why the United States does not play a
Speaker 4: role in end Times prophecy if our dollar collapses, in
Speaker 4: our economy collapses, so that our economic influence is no
Speaker 4: greater than the percentage of our population of population. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know what, have we got three hundred and fifty billion,
Speaker 4: three hundred and seventy a million, rather three hundred and
Speaker 4: seventy million compared to one point six billion Chinese one
Speaker 4: point seven billion Indians. We have it in our minds
Speaker 4: here in the United States that we are the world's
Speaker 4: only true superpower, and recent events are kind of showing
Speaker 4: the cracks in that facade, and I think the Bricks
Speaker 4: Meeting that is coming up this year is going to
Speaker 4: are going to highlight those even more. The fact that
Speaker 4: we've not been able to push Ukraine to victory here
Speaker 4: in the war with Russia is another clue that we
Speaker 4: are not as powerful geopolitically and militarily as we would
Speaker 4: like to think we are. We are over extended, like
Speaker 4: the late stages of the Roman Empire. So having said
Speaker 4: all of that, what is going to happen is going
Speaker 4: to happen sooner rather than later. I know that Tom Horne,
Speaker 4: when his book The Wormwood Prophecy came out a few
Speaker 4: years ago, was we were recording a program. This was
Speaker 4: still in the old SkyWatch TV studio, and as Tom
Speaker 4: was talking about this, if the prophecy of Wormwood in
Speaker 4: Revelation eight is connect and there are a lot of
Speaker 4: ifs here, so this is all speculative. If it's connected
Speaker 4: to asteroid of Popos, Okay, and that's supposed to make
Speaker 4: a near passive Earth so close that it passes inside
Speaker 4: the orbits of some of our satellites on April thirteenth
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty nine, and if as some believe that
Speaker 4: marks the midpoint of the seven year Great Tribulation. Again
Speaker 4: if then, if you back up three and a half years, okay,
Speaker 4: so what would the beginning point did the Great Tribulation be?
Speaker 4: That points to October thirteenth of twenty twenty five, which
Speaker 4: just happens to be the final day of the Feast
Speaker 4: of Tabernacles or Sakote. That was a seven day festival
Speaker 4: in ancient Israel that was the most important on the
Speaker 4: calendar because during that seven day period, Jews would sacrifice
Speaker 4: seven bulls on the first day, eight bulls on the
Speaker 4: second day, nine bulls on the third day. You see
Speaker 4: the pattern. At the end of the seven days, you've
Speaker 4: sacrificed seventy representing the gods of the nations, in other words,
Speaker 4: all of them, the rest of the world under the
Speaker 4: influence of these fallen angels. It was God's reminder to
Speaker 4: his people that he was rescuing them, saving them, delivering
Speaker 4: them from the hands of these rebellious Elohim, these rebellious
Speaker 4: sons of God. So wouldn't it be interesting if that
Speaker 4: was the day the Feast of Tabernacles in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five where God decides to take us out of here.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm not planning
Speaker 4: for it to happen. I'm going to keep working as
Speaker 4: though we're going to be here as long as we
Speaker 4: draw breath. But I'd be okay with that because, interestingly enough,
Speaker 4: April thirteenth of twenty twenty nine would be seven days
Speaker 4: after Passover, which you go back to the book of
Speaker 4: Book of Joshua, and it was seven days after they
Speaker 4: celebrated the passover, seven days of marching in a circle
Speaker 4: around Jericho, that the walls came tumbling down.
Speaker 5: Is that going to happen?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Could be.
Speaker 2: Oops, there we go so interesting? Definitely?
Speaker 1: Okay, So now I just give it to Ali and
Speaker 1: just say any last words for our audience.
Speaker 2: You know, what could we do to prepare anything that
Speaker 2: you want to say to our audience before we get off?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well, the Prophecy of Ezekiel in thirty eight thirty nine,
Speaker 6: it's interesting how God is the one that puts a
Speaker 6: hook and brings the enemies. He is the one that
Speaker 6: defeats them. They don't really even get too deep into
Speaker 6: into Israel in the way this prophecy has written. So
Speaker 6: one important point is that these prophecies are not put
Speaker 6: here to scare us, but to comfort us, to show
Speaker 6: the sovereignty of God that even twenty five hundred years ago,
Speaker 6: God already was aware of the schemes of the enemy,
Speaker 6: like them in the Book of Job. He is sovereign
Speaker 6: over even what the enemy can do. And so when
Speaker 6: we see such tremendously scary things unfold on the stage
Speaker 6: of the world, we as the ambassadors of Christ, can
Speaker 6: go forward and say to people, God has this coverard,
Speaker 6: he has this in his hands. He's told us beforehand
Speaker 6: that it's under his control.
Speaker 3: And the fruits of this.
Speaker 6: Liking the story of Job is going to actually result
Speaker 6: in blessing. People are going to become aware of God.
Speaker 6: Israel is the nations are. God is going to be
Speaker 6: glorified through this. God is God, his hand over the enemy,
Speaker 6: his their weapons. You know, they don't work. He brings them,
Speaker 6: he defeats them, he buries them. So even though it
Speaker 6: looks very scary, you know, have faith in the Lord.
Speaker 6: This is a great opportunity to share the faith actually
Speaker 6: and to comfort people with a message of peace and
Speaker 6: the providence of the Lord through the prophetic word and
Speaker 6: the guarantee of the prevailing and victory of His purposes
Speaker 6: over the enemy as we move forward towards the utopia,
Speaker 6: which is the millennial reign of the Lord. These are
Speaker 6: the birth banks. So that's how I want people to
Speaker 6: see it in the light of God's providential care and power.
Speaker 2: Amen to that.
Speaker 5: And Ryan next up, Yeah, Ali said it beautifully. You know,
Speaker 5: it's the apostlele right. He says comfort, you know, comfort
Speaker 5: each other with these words, right, And that's the beauty
Speaker 5: of prophecy. And that's what God wants us to know.
Speaker 5: He wants us to trust him and show and prove
Speaker 5: to us, right, the Christian faith is not blind faith.
Speaker 5: God wants to demonstrate his knowledge, his prophecy. He wants
Speaker 5: us to be have that comfort. And so yeah, so
Speaker 5: I agree completely. And I just hope and pray that
Speaker 5: there are people watching and listening who don't believe in God,
Speaker 5: who doubt the Bible, who are questioning, who might believe
Speaker 5: in other faith and realize that there's no other book
Speaker 5: written in human history that can tell the future much
Speaker 5: less with the accuracy. You look at the details you've
Speaker 5: heard today, the nations, the locations, the timing, the repetition.
Speaker 5: The Bible is the only book that can do that. So,
Speaker 5: you know, so you know, for those who who are
Speaker 5: listening or watching, who don't believe, or are wondering or
Speaker 5: maybe you know, on the fence about this whole Christianity thing,
Speaker 5: I hope this helped, you know, I help, just help
Speaker 5: to give you some encouragement and some some desire and
Speaker 5: some curiosity to see that, Wow, there's a lot going
Speaker 5: on in this old book, the Bible, that has a
Speaker 5: dramatic and remarkable relations and implication for exactly what's happening
Speaker 5: right in the headlines today, and obviously for believers, for
Speaker 5: our brothers and sisters, just stay encouraged. You know, the
Speaker 5: the end times are coming, and yes, there're gonna be
Speaker 5: some devastating judgments on this world that they're gonna that
Speaker 5: this world has never seen before. Frankly, and you know,
Speaker 5: Jesus said that men's heart failing them for fear when
Speaker 5: they see what's gonna come upon the earth. People are
Speaker 5: going to drop dead when they see these beings. You know,
Speaker 5: the ancient the gods of the ancient worlds of Greek
Speaker 5: mythology were real beings coming on this earth, and so
Speaker 5: what does that mean for us. We have to use
Speaker 5: that to to inspire and to generate our witness, right,
Speaker 5: we want to be Noah and get people on the
Speaker 5: arc before all this happens, because it's coming. It's coming,
Speaker 5: and it might be even sooner there we think it
Speaker 5: might be a few years from now, maybe twenty twenty five, right,
Speaker 5: and so you know that's just let this be an
Speaker 5: encouragement to get out there and share the gospel. And
Speaker 5: the time is short, and so we want to get
Speaker 5: as many people into the love and salvation of our savior,
Speaker 5: you shoe ahamashiik as soon as possible. So that's the message.
Speaker 2: Amen to that.
Speaker 4: And next up, Derek, there's not much to add, but
Speaker 4: you know, the precision of prophecy is astonishing, just to
Speaker 4: add to what Ryan said when you look at Daniel
Speaker 4: chapter nine, and this is where a lot of us
Speaker 4: get the idea that there's that final seven year period
Speaker 4: called the Great Tribulation, the prophecy of seventy weeks that
Speaker 4: was given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel seventy weeks
Speaker 4: decreed for his people and for the Holy City, and
Speaker 4: we are now in that pause between week number sixty
Speaker 4: nine and Week seventy what blew our minds? I heard
Speaker 4: Chuck Misler refer this years ago, and we looked it up.
Speaker 4: About one hundred years ago, a fellow by the name
Speaker 4: of Sir Robert Anderson wrote a book called The Coming Prince,
Speaker 4: where he went and analyzed the prophecy of the seventy
Speaker 4: weeks to try to determine whether or not Daniel accurately
Speaker 4: prophesied the arrival of Jesus, which would be the end
Speaker 4: of the sixty ninth week. When the Messiah is cut off,
Speaker 4: an anointed one is cut off. And Sir Robert Anderson
Speaker 4: was no slouch. He was an investigator in Scotland Yard
Speaker 4: who worked on the Jack the Ripper murders. So there's
Speaker 4: a couple of different connections here between Jack the Ripper
Speaker 4: and Mount Hermon. The fellow who was the commissioner of
Speaker 4: Scotland Yard when those Ripper murders began in eighteen eighty
Speaker 4: eight was Sir Charles Warren, and found that stone inside
Speaker 4: the temple on the summit of Mount Herman that said
Speaker 4: those who swore an oath proceed from here by order
Speaker 4: of the Most High and Holy God. So and that
Speaker 4: stone by the ways in the British Museum in London. Now.
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, anyway, Sir Robert Anderson approached this with the
Speaker 4: rigor of a detective, because that's what he was. He
Speaker 4: went to the Royal Astronomer at Greenwich and said, okay,
Speaker 4: when was the beginning of the new year in four
Speaker 4: forty BC when King artist Xerxes issued the decree in
Speaker 4: Nehemiah to go back and rebuild the walls and rebuild
Speaker 4: the temple? And so he calculated to the date on
Speaker 4: the Julian calendar. And Anderson wisely figured that God, giving
Speaker 4: this prophecy to a Hebrew prophet, was talking about a
Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty day prophetic year, not a three
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty five day year. And so when he
Speaker 4: calculated it out from the date that the Royal Astronomer
Speaker 4: had calculated that the first sliver of the new moon
Speaker 4: would be seen in four forty BC from somewhere in Persia,
Speaker 4: he calculated that it fell on Good Friday. And I
Speaker 4: forget the year exact, thirty AD I believe, But anyway,
Speaker 4: Anderson was convinced that this nailed to the day Jesus
Speaker 4: arrival in Jerusalem. Chuck Missler, who was a brilliant man,
Speaker 4: was convinced. And that's where I first heard this, and
Speaker 4: it blew my mind, and I had the interview. I
Speaker 4: had the blessing to interview Chuck Missler a couple of times,
Speaker 4: and he said that was what convinced him to study prophecy.
Speaker 4: Because even if, as skeptics claim, Daniel didn't write the
Speaker 4: Book of Daniel, that it was written by somebody else
Speaker 4: after the return from Babylon, it was still written before
Speaker 4: the events prophesied in Daniel, all of this stuff between
Speaker 4: a king of the North and a king of the South,
Speaker 4: which was basically the wars between the Greek kings of
Speaker 4: Syria and Egypt, the successors of Alexander the Great, because
Speaker 4: it was translated from Hebrew into Greek before some of
Speaker 4: those wars took place, the septuagen translation. So he nailed
Speaker 4: it supernaturally. Whoever wrote the Book of Daniel, and I
Speaker 4: believe it was Daniel, nailed all of that. And he
Speaker 4: nailed the arrival of Jesus, the triumphal entry into Jerusalem
Speaker 4: to the day. And Sir Robert Anderson, who is a
Speaker 4: sober minded individual, a theologian as well as a police detective.
Speaker 4: When he wrote that section of his book, The Coming
Speaker 4: Prince was writing it in all caps. I mean, you
Speaker 4: could hear him saying he got it exactly right. Do
Speaker 4: you understand what this means. It means you can trust
Speaker 4: the prophecies of the Bible that they will come true.
Speaker 4: We can document this one. And he didn't have the
Speaker 4: Internet and Google. I mean, like I said, he had
Speaker 4: to write to the Royal Astronomer and wait for the
Speaker 4: Royal Astronomer to take out his compass and sextint or whatever,
Speaker 4: and he had and figure it out on pen and
Speaker 4: paper and then send it back. This to me is
Speaker 4: mind blowing. So when we look at this stuff and
Speaker 4: realize that this was inspired by the same Holy Spirit
Speaker 4: that inspired Daniel to nail all of those prophecies so
Speaker 4: precisely that there is no natural explanation. We need to
Speaker 4: be prepared for these days that are coming. We have
Speaker 4: the answers will people will be freaking out at what
Speaker 4: is coming on the earth in the years ahead, but
Speaker 4: we can say, look, we've got a book that foretold
Speaker 4: all of this, and we can show you how to
Speaker 4: guarantee your safety and the safety of your family. Yes,
Speaker 4: the times ahead will be difficult. We can show you
Speaker 4: how to secure your future, not just in this life,
Speaker 4: but for all eternity. And we can prove it because
Speaker 4: we can go back and show you how these prophecies
Speaker 4: foretold the coming of the Messiah the first time precisely,
Speaker 4: which means we can trust the prophecies of his return
Speaker 4: just as it's guaranteed. It's guaranteed by the precision of
Speaker 4: the prophecies that have already been fulfilled. So when all
Speaker 4: of this happens, however it happens, whenever it happens, we
Speaker 4: just need to be prepared to show the love of
Speaker 4: Christ the people around us who will be literally out
Speaker 4: of their minds with fear, preparing to share with them
Speaker 4: the love of Christ and the hope that we have
Speaker 4: in Christ Jesus. And those days days are coming.
Speaker 1: Soon definitely, And thank you guys so much for this
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: This is amazing. You know, you guys understand what we're.
Speaker 1: Going through, like we're going through these times right now,
Speaker 1: you know, the end times. So we have to make sure, guys,
Speaker 1: like I always say, man, concentrate on you know, having
Speaker 1: your relationship with God.
Speaker 2: Concentrate on have a relationship with Jesus. Concentrate on reading
Speaker 2: the Bible.
Speaker 1: You know, understand how they they They all just intertwined
Speaker 1: everything so beautifully, you know, and the Bible is so
Speaker 1: interesting and amazing, and I just it's so captivating, and
Speaker 1: it's captivating me, like you know, in this, in this
Speaker 1: moment listening to these gentlemen speak and that the Bible
Speaker 1: is no joke. You know this stuff is coming, and
Speaker 1: like you said, it's so accurate that I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I just want you guys as listeners to understand that,
Speaker 1: you know, fear is something that is not of God.
Speaker 1: God is not trying to cause fear to you guys.
Speaker 1: What's happening is, you know, He just wants you to
Speaker 1: get closer to him. If you bring you and draw
Speaker 1: you closer, draw you near, and understand that God has you.
Speaker 1: You know, there can be ten thousand people dying to
Speaker 1: your right, ten thousand people dying to your left, but.
Speaker 2: When you're when God has your back, you're not gonna die.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be good.
Speaker 1: So make sure that you guys just get closer to God.
Speaker 1: And like I said, and this is a beautiful and
Speaker 1: awesome explanation, and I appreciate everybody that that was on
Speaker 1: this panel. Thank you reach out you guys to not
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. And I always like to
Speaker 1: end this in prayer. Okay, thank you guys so much
Speaker 1: for listening though, Father God, in the name of Jesus,
Speaker 1: we appreciate everything you do. God, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for these gentlemen and the knowledge that uh that was
Speaker 1: expressed on this show. And thank you God so much
Speaker 1: for your word. I know that the Bible is illegal.
Speaker 1: Ali was saying it's illegal in certain countries. And we're
Speaker 1: able to have the Bible at our at our fingertips.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you giving us your word and giving us
Speaker 1: the Abible ability to read and to research and and
Speaker 1: uh you know, to be able to use the Internet
Speaker 1: as as a as a source to to study and
Speaker 1: research your word Lord, and and.
Speaker 2: And not of the evil that it does do.
Speaker 1: And in other circumstances, God, we appreciate you so much
Speaker 1: for giving the knowledge to these gentlemen. And everything was
Speaker 1: all inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2: And we appreciate everything you do for us.
Speaker 1: God, thank you for the food that we eat, the
Speaker 1: water we drink, the air that we breathe, and thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your protection.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you please to protect these gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Obviously they're there's they're out, uh, you know, spreading the
Speaker 1: truth and and I just want to say, please send
Speaker 1: a legion to angels around their families and protect them
Speaker 1: on their travels and all they travel to different conferences.
Speaker 2: And all that stuff. So please protect them. And we
Speaker 2: love you so much God and Jesus name. Amen.
Speaker 1: Wow, seriously, God, this is probably one of the best
Speaker 1: episodes that we've had. And we appreciate everything you guys do,
Speaker 1: and thank you guys so much for everything you do
Speaker 1: for God and for the industry.
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