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<v Speaker 1>This podcast is based on information sourced primarily from police

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<v Speaker 1>and media reports, but certain names and other identifying details

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<v Speaker 1>may have been changed or altered for privacy and security reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>While the events in cases discussed are based on real investigations,

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<v Speaker 1>some aspects may be simplified for time and for narrative purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>Voice actors have been used to read from statements or documents.

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<v Speaker 1>All information presented is intended solely to inform and raise awareness.

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<v Speaker 1>Hosts may discuss theories regarding the cases examined in this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>but such discussions are not intended to and should not

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<v Speaker 1>be considered by the listener to be legal conclusions. All

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<v Speaker 1>persons discussed are considered innocent until proven guilty in a

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<v Speaker 1>court of law. Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Chief Anna Lally. Welcome to Somebody Knows Something,

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast from the Elgin Police Department's Cold Case Unit.

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<v Speaker 2>In this podcast, we will shed new light on cold

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<v Speaker 2>cases in the city of Elgin by sharing untold details

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<v Speaker 2>and by encouraging anyone with information to come forward. You

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<v Speaker 2>will come along with real cold case detectives as they

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<v Speaker 2>investigate active cold cases in real time and seek justice

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<v Speaker 2>for the victims and closure for their families. We believe

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<v Speaker 2>that the Elgin Police Department and our community can work

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<v Speaker 2>together to bring closure to cold cases because we know

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<v Speaker 2>that in these cases, somebody knows something.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello and welcome to Somebody knows something the Elgin Police

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<v Speaker 3>Department Cold Case Podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Detective Andrew Houghton.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm Detective Chris Hall.

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<v Speaker 6>Last episode, we traveled to Joliet, Illinois to search for

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<v Speaker 6>clues in Myteria's disappearance, talked about other missing girls from

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<v Speaker 6>the nineteen eighties in Will County. We also identified and

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<v Speaker 6>visited the Joliet Motor Hotel and learned that the family

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<v Speaker 6>who owned both the Douglas Hotel and the Joliet Motor

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<v Speaker 6>Lodge had some ties to another hotel in Texas. In fact,

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<v Speaker 6>one former tenant told us that the owners helped facilitate

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<v Speaker 6>bus travel to Texas for several tenants in Joliet, So

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<v Speaker 6>we have to consider that maybe tenants from the Douglas

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<v Speaker 6>Hotel had that option as well, or that the owners

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<v Speaker 6>helped facilitate travel to Joliet.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we get into our theories for Aurora in this episode,

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<v Speaker 3>we do want to update listeners on that potential Texas

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<v Speaker 3>connection that we got a few weeks back. The tenant

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<v Speaker 3>from the former Joliet Motor Hotel told us that he

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<v Speaker 3>took a bus to Raymondville, Texas and stayed there for

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<v Speaker 3>a brief period of time at another hotel that the

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<v Speaker 3>Zema family owned. Last week, after digging through the Texas

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<v Speaker 3>hotel occupancy tax accounts corly reports from nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 3>I actually found a hotel that we believe is the

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<v Speaker 3>hotel he went to.

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<v Speaker 6>Andrew discovered that chet Zema paid taxes in the third

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<v Speaker 6>quarter of nineteen eighty six for the Raymondville Hotel located

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<v Speaker 6>at four point fifty East Hildago and Raymondville, Texas. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 6>the Texas hotel occupancy tax account records we found only

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<v Speaker 6>go back to nineteen eighty six, so we are still

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<v Speaker 6>looking to find out if the family owned the same

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<v Speaker 6>hotel in nineteen eighty two, but we feel that we've

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<v Speaker 6>at least identified the right property. We are also still

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<v Speaker 6>searching for more records for both the Douglas Hotel and

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<v Speaker 6>the Joliet Motor Lodge, so if any listeners have any

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<v Speaker 6>information about those hotels, or if any listeners in Texas

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<v Speaker 6>have the information about the Raymondville Hotel, please reach.

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<v Speaker 4>Out to us.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, now that that's out of the way, let's move

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<v Speaker 3>on to another city that's much closer than Raymondville, Texas,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a place that we know Whyteria definitely had

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<v Speaker 3>ties to Aurora, Illinois. As we talk about Aurora, there's

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<v Speaker 3>one more thing we should mention that might make Aurora

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<v Speaker 3>plausible destination than Joliette. As we reviewed the RTA records,

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<v Speaker 3>we discovered that there was a suburban bus line that

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<v Speaker 3>directly connected Elgin to Aurora. In fact, Bus eight oh

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<v Speaker 3>passing the Elgin Mental Health Center on its way to Aurora,

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<v Speaker 3>and that bus could have dropped by Terry Off on

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<v Speaker 3>Lake Street, just a few blocks from our house.

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<v Speaker 6>Aurora is a large city here in the western suburbs

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<v Speaker 6>of Illinois. In nineteen eighty two, it boasted a population

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<v Speaker 6>of over eighty thousand, making it one of the largest

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<v Speaker 6>cities in the Chicago Land area. When a number of

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighties, the blue collar town grew from the fifth

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<v Speaker 6>largest city in Illinois and nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 5>To the second largest today.

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<v Speaker 6>As of twenty twenty five, Aurora has a population of

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<v Speaker 6>just over one hundred and eighty thousand people, and it

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<v Speaker 6>remains a large industrial hub here in the Chicago land.

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<v Speaker 3>Area, similar to Joliette, Will County. We looked for missing

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<v Speaker 3>person cases in Aurora and the surrounding area from the

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<v Speaker 3>early nineteen eighties, but we didn't really find anything similar

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<v Speaker 3>to Whiteria's case. Because of its size, Aurora is actually

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<v Speaker 3>situated in four different counties, Caine County, DuPage County, Kendall County,

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<v Speaker 3>and Will County. We've already discussed some of the Will

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<v Speaker 3>County cases in our joliet episode, but the oldest Aurora

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<v Speaker 3>missing person case in the National Missing and Unidentified Person

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<v Speaker 3>System or NamUs is from nineteen ninety, so we haven't

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<v Speaker 3>found anything similar to Waiitiu's case from the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>at least not yet.

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<v Speaker 6>We checked the surrounding area cases and in the other

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<v Speaker 6>three counties too, but we didn't come across any women

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<v Speaker 6>who disappeared in Cain, du Page, or Kendall County between

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty five. DuPage County does have

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<v Speaker 6>Deborah McCall, who disappeared in nineteen seventy nine, who Andrew

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<v Speaker 6>and Matt mentioned in season one, but the rest of

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<v Speaker 6>the cases from those counties are from the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>Longtime listeners to our podcast will remember Deborah McCall. She

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<v Speaker 3>was a sixteen year old high school student at Downers

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<v Speaker 3>Grove North High School when she was last seen on

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<v Speaker 3>November fifth of nineteen seventy nine, wearing a beige hooded jacket,

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<v Speaker 3>a sweater, blue jeans, light brown.

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<v Speaker 4>Suede shoes, and a yellow necklace.

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<v Speaker 3>Polease suspect that she was the victim of the area

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<v Speaker 3>serial killer named Bruce Lindall, who potentially murdered at least

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<v Speaker 3>twelve women between nineteen seventy six and nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 3>because a photograph that appeared to be Deborah was found

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<v Speaker 3>in his belongings. Unfortunately, her body has never been recovered.

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<v Speaker 3>As for Waityria's case, Bruce Lindall was dead by nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty one, and so similar to Karen's case, he is

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<v Speaker 3>not a suspect in her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 6>As for Elgin, Andrew and I know all of our

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<v Speaker 6>missing persons from both Kine and Cook Counties. Currently, Waitityia

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<v Speaker 6>is our oldest case on record, and as the date

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<v Speaker 6>of this recording, we have not located any other area

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<v Speaker 6>missing people from Kane County that are similar to Waitiria's case.

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<v Speaker 3>Last season, Chris and I talked about the Ripper Crew,

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<v Speaker 3>and we know that during the nineteen eighties they were

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<v Speaker 3>active in the western suburbs Chicago. In fact, they were

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<v Speaker 3>even active in the fall of nineteen eighty two when

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<v Speaker 3>Waiteria vanished. A number of their victims were black women

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<v Speaker 3>who were alone, but most of their known victims remains

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<v Speaker 3>have been recovered, and they were typically recovered within months

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<v Speaker 3>of their murder. We certainly can't rule out that some

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<v Speaker 3>unknown offender abducted or harmed Whiteria in some way in

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<v Speaker 3>Elgin or Juliet, or Aurora or somewhere else, but so

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<v Speaker 3>far we haven't found any evidence to link her to

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<v Speaker 3>another case like that, or any serial offenders, or even

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<v Speaker 3>the Ripper Crew specifically.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, while we have not linked Witeria to any active

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<v Speaker 6>serial killers or other offenders in the area, it is

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<v Speaker 6>still possible that she was a victim of a violent

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<v Speaker 6>crime on our way to Aurora or while in Aurora.

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<v Speaker 6>So let's consider the option that Waiteria did actually arrive

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<v Speaker 6>in Aurora and talk about the people that were in

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<v Speaker 6>her life when she did live there. The most notable

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<v Speaker 6>person perhaps is her husband and the man who reported

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<v Speaker 6>her missing, Wayman Jones.

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<v Speaker 3>Anytime we look at these old cases, the one thing

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<v Speaker 3>we spend a lot of time doing is reviewing criminal

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<v Speaker 3>history of all the people involved if they have one,

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<v Speaker 3>and we interview as many people as we can who

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<v Speaker 3>knew the victim or any suspects around that time that

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<v Speaker 3>the case happened. Typically we start with the missing person

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<v Speaker 3>because we need to know if they've been arrested, what

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<v Speaker 3>type of background they have, things like that.

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<v Speaker 4>For this case, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Know that Waiteria did not have any criminal history in

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<v Speaker 3>her background and that she was never arrested.

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<v Speaker 6>As for Wayman Jones, he died in twenty thirteen, so

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<v Speaker 6>while we can't interview him about the case or his background,

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<v Speaker 6>we can review his criminal history to get a sense

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<v Speaker 6>of his background. On May nineteenth, nineteen eighty Wayman Jones

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<v Speaker 6>was arrested by the Chicago Police Department in the tenth

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<v Speaker 6>District of Chicago for a simple battery. The tenth District

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<v Speaker 6>is located on the West Side of Chicago and includes

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<v Speaker 6>the neighborhoods of North Lawndale, Little Village, and Lower West Side.

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<v Speaker 6>The records that we have document that Wyman was living

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<v Speaker 6>in a when he was arrested, but he clearly still

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<v Speaker 6>had ties to the city of Chicago, where he and

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<v Speaker 6>Whityria lived prior to their move to Aurora. The problem

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<v Speaker 6>was that for months we didn't know who the victim

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<v Speaker 6>was in that case or the circumstances surrounding it. And

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<v Speaker 6>because it is over forty five years old, the arrest

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<v Speaker 6>records for a simple battery case are far beyond the

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<v Speaker 6>retention period, so many records like that no longer exist.

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<v Speaker 6>Longtime listeners who will recall that when Andrew and Matt

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<v Speaker 6>tried to find records from the nineteen eighty three case

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<v Speaker 6>related to the person who left the series of beaver

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<v Speaker 6>squeezer letters in Susannah's car at PM Bentley's, those cases

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<v Speaker 6>no longer existed, so we were afraid that the same

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<v Speaker 6>might be true in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Luckily, Chris was able to get some records from the

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<v Speaker 3>archives of the Chicago Police Department, and we learned that

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<v Speaker 3>the case involved a juvenile at a school in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>Weyman at the time was working at the Chicago Public

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<v Speaker 3>School System and the complainant for the case appeared to

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<v Speaker 3>be the mother of a child at a school where

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<v Speaker 3>he was working in nineteen eighty. The report is brief,

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<v Speaker 3>but we can at least say that Waitia was not

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<v Speaker 3>the victim in that case. Initially, we were concerned that

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<v Speaker 3>she might be because the Illinois Domestic Violence Act wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>passing Illinois until several years after the nineteen eighty arrest,

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<v Speaker 3>a domestic battery as a statutory offense wasn't on the

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<v Speaker 3>books until nineteen ninety. Our initial thought was that this

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<v Speaker 3>case could have been a domestic battery and just classified

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<v Speaker 3>as a simple battery back in nineteen eighty, depending on

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<v Speaker 3>how the law was written then. But based on the

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<v Speaker 3>records we got from Beth and at Chris Scott, we

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<v Speaker 3>now know that Whyteria was living in Elgin in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty when this battery occurred, and she was not the

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<v Speaker 3>victim in that case.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, so now we know that she was not involved

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<v Speaker 6>in that case. But knowing that Wyman was accused of

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<v Speaker 6>in charge with the battery to a girl is helpful

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<v Speaker 6>and gives us a little more insight into his background,

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<v Speaker 6>and to be fully transparent, we should add that the

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<v Speaker 6>case against Wyman was later dismissed, but any arrest in

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<v Speaker 6>a person's history is something that we wanted to at

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<v Speaker 6>least be aware of or consider.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though Wyman's arrest for battery was not against Waiteria,

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<v Speaker 3>some family members reported.

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<v Speaker 4>That he was physically abusive.

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<v Speaker 3>At least one family member told police in twenty fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>that Waiitiia was missing her two front teeth because Wayman

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<v Speaker 3>had knocked him out when he punched her in the

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<v Speaker 3>face during an argument sometime around nineteen seventy four. So

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<v Speaker 3>we have some potential evidence of domestic abuse, and we

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, so we have a family member making allegations of

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<v Speaker 3>According to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, nearly one in

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<v Speaker 3>four women have experienced rape, physical assault, or stalking in

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<v Speaker 3>their lifetime, and according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics,

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<v Speaker 3>seventy six percent of female murderers were perpetrated by someone

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<v Speaker 3>known to the victim. That's twenty percent higher than male victims.

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<v Speaker 3>So statistically, women are much more likely to be killed

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<v Speaker 6>We can also take the reverse approach when looking at statistics.

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<v Speaker 6>When looking at stranger murders, only twelve percent of females

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<v Speaker 6>and we know that at least from a statistical perspective,

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<v Speaker 6>it is much more likely that Wayteria, if she was murdered,

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<v Speaker 6>for example, was killed by someone she knew. And obviously

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 6>Since we are on the topic of domestic violence, we

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<v Speaker 6>that factor is strangulation. We want to be clear that

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<v Speaker 6>we don't have any reports that Wayman or anyone else

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<v Speaker 6>strangled Wayteria in the past, but we thought we would

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<v Speaker 6>mention that here since we are talking about domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 6>In the Journal of Emergency Medicine in two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 6>researchers reviewed data from eleven cities and determined that forty

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<v Speaker 6>five percent of women who were murdered by an intimate

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<v Speaker 6>partner have been non fatally strangled at least one time

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<v Speaker 6>prior to that homicide. In fact, a single instance of

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<v Speaker 6>non fatal strangulation increased that victim's chances of being murdered

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<v Speaker 6>by that suspect by over six hundred percent. While some

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<v Speaker 6>of the research is a bit dated, even as recently

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<v Speaker 6>as twenty twenty four, organizations like Domestic Shelters dot org

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<v Speaker 6>noted that strangulation is the highest predictor of murder.

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<v Speaker 3>While they are not related to Iteria's case, our cold

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<v Speaker 3>case homicide caseload currently includes three strangulation murders, all from

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen nineties, and all three of them involved women

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<v Speaker 3>who were murdered in their own homes. To make them

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<v Speaker 3>even more tragic, all three women were mothers. Let's briefly

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<v Speaker 3>discuss those three homicides.

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<v Speaker 6>On November seventeenth, nineteen ninety two, Ginia lang Goosh was

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<v Speaker 6>strangled in her apartment on Saint Charles Street here in Elgin.

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<v Speaker 6>She was murdered one day before her thirtieth birthday, and

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<v Speaker 6>her two year old son was sleeping in the home

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<v Speaker 6>when she was murdered. Gina's case remains an active cold

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<v Speaker 6>case investigation on our current caseload.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, on November twenty first, nineteen ninety four, twenty eight

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<v Speaker 3>year old Tracy Boyer was found strangled and stabbed to

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<v Speaker 3>death in her apartment at the River's Edge Apartments near

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<v Speaker 3>downtown Elgin. Her nine year old daughter returned home from

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<v Speaker 3>a weekend with her biological father and a day at

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<v Speaker 3>school and found Tracy. Tracy's two and a half year

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<v Speaker 3>old daughter was also discovered alive in the apartment with

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<v Speaker 3>her mother. The unknown offender left that toddler alone the

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<v Speaker 3>apartment with her mother for possibly twenty four to forty

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<v Speaker 3>eight hours. Her case, like Gina's, is an active cold

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<v Speaker 3>case homicide on our case load.

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<v Speaker 6>And lastly, on April thirteenth, nineteen ninety nine, a witness

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<v Speaker 6>observed a two year old little girl wandering the hallway

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<v Speaker 6>of an apartment building on Locust Street. Police identified the

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<v Speaker 6>mother of the child. When they checked the apartment, they

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<v Speaker 6>discovered twenty year old Monique Love dead inside. Her eleven

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<v Speaker 6>apartment with his dead mother. Her case remains a cold

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<v Speaker 6>case to this day.

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<v Speaker 3>Reminding people that these cases exist and educating people about

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<v Speaker 3>domestic violence is one more way we can use this

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<v Speaker 3>platform to help solve cases and help people in our community.

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<v Speaker 3>You can read more about the cases we just discussed

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<v Speaker 3>on our website, and if you have information about Gina's case,

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<v Speaker 3>or Tracy's case, or Monique's case, please contact us.

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<v Speaker 6>Also, if you are someone you know I have experienced

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<v Speaker 6>domestic violence, especially domestic violence in which an intimate partner

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<v Speaker 6>has strangled someone, please contact law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 5>We are all here to help.

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<v Speaker 6>You can report domestic violence to your local police department,

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<v Speaker 6>crisis center, or to places like the National Domestic Violence

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<v Speaker 6>Hotline at eight seven seven two end DV.

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<v Speaker 6>Victor, which is also eight seven seven eight six three

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<v Speaker 6>six' three three. Eight breaking the cycle of domestic violence

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<v Speaker 6>is extremely, hard but taking that first step allows us

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<v Speaker 6>to provide services and hopefully prevent further, abuse including a potential.

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<v Speaker 5>Homicide the main.

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<v Speaker 6>Takeaway from our research into domestic violence and our own

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<v Speaker 6>experiences with it as police officers is that a person

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<v Speaker 6>who physically assaults an intimate partner is more likely to

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<v Speaker 6>also then murder that partner in a subsequent, incident especially

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<v Speaker 6>if a prior assault involves. Strangulation For, wyman we don't

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<v Speaker 6>have any evidence of, strangulation but we certainly have at

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<v Speaker 6>least one prior arrest for a battery against a, victim

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<v Speaker 6>and we have a family member who reported that there

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<v Speaker 6>was physical violence within the. Home so while again we

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<v Speaker 6>are not saying That weyman was responsible For waitia's, disappearance

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<v Speaker 6>we can eliminate that as a. Possibility yet if she

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<v Speaker 6>did go back To, aurora.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah we can't say for, sure at least not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet If waiitia did make a trip back To aurora

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<v Speaker 3>in the fall of nineteen eighty, two So, Chris beth

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<v Speaker 3>AND i decided we should take a trip down To

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<v Speaker 3>aurora ourselves to see the place where she lived and

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<v Speaker 3>a continue investigation into the disappearance Of Whiteria.

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<v Speaker 4>Jones to get To.

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<v Speaker 3>Aurora we decided to drive the same route that the

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<v Speaker 3>bus would have taken from Downtown elgin to the bus

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<v Speaker 3>stop near her, home so we could recreate that potential

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<v Speaker 3>route best that we.

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<v Speaker 4>Could All, right so it.

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<v Speaker 6>Looks like we've traveled directly from one of the bus

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<v Speaker 6>stops In elgin southbound On route thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>One all the way To.

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<v Speaker 6>Aurora, here this probably would have been the most direct

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<v Speaker 6>route that Why teria would have taken back in the

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<v Speaker 6>day that she chose to travel From elgin To.

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<v Speaker 3>Aurora, yeah the Direct aurora bus went from Downtown elton

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<v Speaker 3>down thirty one and then Fits Lake. Avenue i'm, Sorry

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<v Speaker 3>lake streams once you've been under a la here Because

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<v Speaker 3>i'm standing.

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<v Speaker 6>At the bus, stop it looks like this bus stop

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<v Speaker 6>here is probably only a few walks away from her

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<v Speaker 6>address On hammon talking about, Right, YEAH.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's when it's the eight hundred. Block, yeah

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<v Speaker 3>so it's about six or seven blocks.

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<v Speaker 6>From here to, there which is a very walkable distance

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<v Speaker 6>from our house to the bus stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Alone, yeah thirty. ONE a couple of different bus stops

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<v Speaker 3>Along Lake avenue bins seem like the most logical and

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<v Speaker 3>con didnt Olver panhammer Because hammond run in the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Direction it's parallel we are, now so we're gonna walk

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<v Speaker 3>this bus stop to the eight hundred block from kind

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<v Speaker 3>see how long it takes. Us not a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>sidewalks through these, neighborhoods but pretty. Goods but you can

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<v Speaker 3>definitely make it pretty much straight over To hammond from,

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<v Speaker 3>here and as we kind of get up To, hammond

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<v Speaker 3>it took us what fifteen, Minutes, YEAH i would say

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<v Speaker 3>maybe to walk over.

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<v Speaker 4>Here so.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that, Far, no not at.

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<v Speaker 4>All and it's a nice residential kind of. Area this

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<v Speaker 4>neighborhood that we're.

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<v Speaker 6>In this is you, know your typical blue Collar northwest

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<v Speaker 6>Suburb chicago. Neighborhood you, know mainly blue.

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<v Speaker 5>Collar probably most of these houses were built in the.

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<v Speaker 6>FIFTIES i would take, guess, yeah something like.

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<v Speaker 3>That, right and look at. It the size of the

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<v Speaker 3>time pounded al the mental Health center when she used

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<v Speaker 3>to be, there and she used to walk all over

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<v Speaker 3>the place over. There, yeah SO i MEAN i think

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<v Speaker 3>her walking what seven BLOCKS i think is what we. Counted,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah there's not anything. Crazy it seems like it would

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<v Speaker 3>make sense if this was her destination that getting back

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<v Speaker 3>To hammon would be pretty. Simple from Downtown elgin is

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<v Speaker 3>not unheard of for her to go that. Far like you,

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<v Speaker 3>said she walked around quite a bit when she was

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<v Speaker 3>At Belgium Mittal Health. Center and then to get From

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<v Speaker 3>elgin To, aurora it's about a.

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<v Speaker 4>Two block walk To Grove.

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<v Speaker 3>Top the bus ride about a half hour and then

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<v Speaker 3>walk fifteen minutes to get To. Hammond pretty, givable so

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<v Speaker 3>it would make sense this was the route she decided to.

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<v Speaker 3>Take The jones family's former home is a, small single

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<v Speaker 3>family brick home in the eight hundred block Of Hammond,

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<v Speaker 3>avenue and it was built in nineteen twenty. Seven the three,

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<v Speaker 3>bedroom one bath home looks pretty much what you would

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<v Speaker 3>expect out of A chicago suburban, home or even a

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<v Speaker 3>home In chicago. Itself it's a pretty little house with

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<v Speaker 3>a porch and a and it sits along a free line.

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<v Speaker 3>Street the lawn is well, kept and a single car

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<v Speaker 3>garage sits behind the. Home in the nineteen eighties and even,

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<v Speaker 3>today it looks like the quintessential working class neighborhood Of,

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<v Speaker 3>chicago reminiscent of a film By John, Hughes The Brick.

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<v Speaker 6>Homes that's just a few blocks from the bus stop

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<v Speaker 6>where bus eight on one could have Dropped watiria off

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<v Speaker 6>on its route from Downtown elgin Through. Aurora With famiies

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<v Speaker 6>still in town at that time and with prior connections

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<v Speaker 6>to the, city that trip does make logical sense when

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<v Speaker 6>we think about the logistics of travel in The Fox

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<v Speaker 6>valley area in nineteen eighty. Two while we now know

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<v Speaker 6>that she was not living In aurora prior to her

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<v Speaker 6>move To elgin in nineteen seventy, five it's still is

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<v Speaker 6>possible that she decided to travel back there after The

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<v Speaker 6>Douglas hotel, closed but we still don't know what happened to.

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<v Speaker 3>Her we, did, however find out one more thing as

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<v Speaker 3>we reviewed old records For Wayman, jones and it involved

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<v Speaker 3>another violent incident that could be relevant To whiteria's. Case

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<v Speaker 3>nearly two decades before her, disappearance all the way back

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen sixty, Seven Wayman jones was arrested in the

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<v Speaker 3>city Of, chicago and that arrest was for. Murder next, Episode,

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<v Speaker 3>Beth chris AND i will be traveling To chicago to

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<v Speaker 3>see the site of a murder connected To Wayman jones

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<v Speaker 3>and visit the neighborhood where he And whiteria lived prior

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<v Speaker 3>to their move To. Elgin while we're, there we will

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<v Speaker 3>dive deeper Into Wyman jones' background in his nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 3>seven arrest as we continue considering our theory that something

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<v Speaker 3>could have happened To whiteria And aurora back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty two here On Somebody Knows.

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<v Speaker 4>Something if you or.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone you know has information about this case or any

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<v Speaker 2>other cold case In, elgin please contact The Elgin Police

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<v Speaker 2>Department Cold case email at Cold case tips at elginil

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<v Speaker 2>dot gov or the cold case tip line at eight

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<v Speaker 2>four seven two eight nine. Cold you can also review

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<v Speaker 2>cold case information on The Elgin Police department's cold case

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<v Speaker 2>page at www dot elgincoldcases dot, com where every cold, case,

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<v Speaker 2>homicide and missing person's case is listed with photographs and

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<v Speaker 2>information about each.

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<v Speaker 5>Case
