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How are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Do an absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a

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conversation with you because you're touching on something here that

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I swear in all of my training as a martial

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artist and even everything that I've even studied in sports,

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I've never heard of this, but yet you know, darn

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goodnwell it exists.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that's for sure that I got the

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statistics at ten million men that are affected.

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Speaker 2: So I mean it was a twenty year struggle for me.

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Speaker 3: So it was something that I felt like I had

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to share and shed some light on and hope to

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start a conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, this conversation starts with this book Weight class a

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fighter's life or death battle with an eating disorder. Do

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we know that we're actually going through this because even

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as a martial artist, I wanted to, you know, to

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beef up. Even though my master was very disappointed with me,

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I wanted to beef up so you wouldn't throw me

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around that ring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think being an athlete and having a

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regimented schedule and discipline and you know, kind of competing

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as an athlete and.

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Speaker 2: Is one thing, but then getting into an eating.

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Speaker 3: Disorder is a completely separate thing, you know, And I

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think the awareness needs to grow about them, the severity

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of them. They are life's threatening. I mean, I was

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in the ICU. I almost lost my life numerous times.

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So I think it's just, you know, a awareness I

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didn't know at the age of fourteen, stepping on a scale,

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just trying to compete to be a champion could lead

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to a eating disorder that would then wreck havoc all

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my life for you know, fifteen years. And so I

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think having that conversation early, having the awareness spread so

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that people know that they can be affected.

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Speaker 2: Males, females. It doesn't matter who you are.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody eats and so I think having that

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awareness spread and understanding this severity and understanding when your

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life is at risk, and being able to speak out

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and find those supports.

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Speaker 1: Well, look at the way that we are being trained

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by advertising in the way of saying you've got to

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have more powder. Do the powder, do the power bars,

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do this, do this, you will look good, the muscles

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will look well defined. And to me, that's the world

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that I thought that we were lost in until your

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book came out, and I'm going, wait a second, I

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now have a new different view of what people are

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going through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, And that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Eating disorders are so very complex and they're kind of

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always hiding in plain sight. So between the professional staff

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that was keeping me alive and my wife, who has

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been my wife for fifteen years and who has been

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that crucial support, there wasn't really anyone else in my

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world that knew the depth of this. And it was

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in direct conflict with what I was doing for my career, right.

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My whole career was to make weight, to maintain that weight,

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to compete at an elite level, and to chase a dream.

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So the more the eating disorder got out of control,

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the more of those two things were in direct conflict

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of each other, and so I thought it would be

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vital to share my experience because the reality is when

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I realize, well, there's two parallels here. Number One, there's

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the insane weight manipulation that I did to myself and

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to my body to make a way class that was unhealthy,

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acutely right off the bat. And then you have the

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other parallel that after a while I developed this life

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threatening eating disorder that then went beyond my control, that

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it became something more powerful than me. And so you

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have two parallels, because you can absolutely compete in a

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weight class sport without an eating disorder, right you feel

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yourself the right way, you train hard, you stay disciplined,

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and you compete with all your skill.

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Speaker 2: But ultimately I didn't do that.

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Speaker 3: There was not a ton of awareness and education about

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these negative habits and things within myself that then developed

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Speaker 2: Was definite, definitely debilitating.

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Speaker 3: And so because there wasn't a lot of conversations in

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twenty thirteen when I kind of came out and said, hey,

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I need help, Like I'm putting even with my life

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at risk, even with my career at risk, even with

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you know, fighting for a world championship belt, none of

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these things equated to being able to control this eating disorder.

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didn't know what a eating disorder was. I had no idea.

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no idea. And then, I mean it was a fearful time.

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my body was doing something separate. And I've had such

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a discipline throughout my whole life as an athlete that

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when that, all of a sudden was just gone one

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day and I couldn't control the simple act of eating,

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I realized, like, WHOA, something's really.

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Speaker 2: Going on here.

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Speaker 3: And when I tried to come out, there wasn't a

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ton of information like for males, like to be honest,

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right Well, in my span of twenty years dealing with this,

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a man, it was a child, And so it was

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kind of a lonely like, Oh, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: You know, where's the connection. I didn't have that.

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Speaker 3: Man readily available to sit down with me and have

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a cup of coffee and say, hey, man, you know

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what the hell has happened into my body?

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Speaker 2: What is going on with me?

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Speaker 3: Because it was a super fearful time in my life,

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like I didn't understand what was happening to me and why.

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that other men, other people affected by eating sorts, people

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that are cutting weight, could have a real insight into

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what I went through. Because ultimately, you know, you got

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ten million men, right.

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Speaker 2: That's the statistic.

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Speaker 3: Well, adults can master symptoms, so you have to estimate

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that a lot of those stats are coming from children, Okay,

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so that means children are affected here. And number two,

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from all my education and the journey, I realized how

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early intervention is such a key aspect in eating disorders.

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Speaker 2: So I look at this.

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Speaker 3: Somewhere in the world, you know, Iowa, there's some kid

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eighth grade stepping on a scale to be the next

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champion with these visions of being an NCAA champion, right,

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and so their life style risk and they don't even

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know it. If they make any of the same decisions

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I made, they could venture down a path that they

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might not be able to come back for. And so

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early intervention is key. I thought putting my story out

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there so that everybody's stepping into a weight class sport

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could kind of understand the pitfalls I fell into, and you.

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Speaker 2: Know all the things that I created in myself.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Please do not move. There's

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more with Danny O'Connor coming up next. The name of

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the book weight Class A Fighter's Life or Death Battle

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with an eating disorder. We need to talk about this stuff.

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We are back with Danny O'Connor. I got to know

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what the doctors were saying. And the reason why is

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because my doctor's pissed off at me. And the reason

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why is because I went from two forty two at

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heart attack time to one seventy two now and the

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doctor is not happy with me. And I sit there

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and go look at John Cena. I mean, I look

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at the rock. They've all lost the weight healthy, so

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did I. But doctors are not stepping in and getting

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loud enough. What's your gut on this.

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Speaker 3: I've had a lot of experience where professionals from psychiatrists

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to sports psychologists, to doctors of psychology to.

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Speaker 2: Probably every different I went to a shaman.

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Speaker 3: I mean literally when I went on the recovery, I

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tried everything because some supports were not you know, I

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went to an intensi ab outpatient.

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Speaker 2: It was all females.

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Speaker 3: It was all female practitioners, like the professional staff, and

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so a lot of the stuff in the traditional eating

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disorder world, I didn't feel like I fit. So I

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literally tried everything under the sun, million things, multiple things

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at one time at some points to try to get

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a handle on it. So the one thing that that

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I will say, like, you have to find the supports

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that fit for.

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Speaker 2: You, just because it's just because it's a.

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Speaker 3: Support that might be out there, it may not be

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the best support for you.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of like, you know, that is a

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hard thing.

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Speaker 3: You go somewhere and you're trying to save your own

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life and you're desperate and things are chaotic, and then

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all of a sudden it doesn't work, and that's pretty defeating,

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you find that support. And I think professional help is

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a lot like finding a girlfriend, Like just because you

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find one that's wicked credential doesn't mean that it might

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be the right one for you.

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Speaker 2: So you have to have that.

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Speaker 3: Resiliency to kind of keep going until you find the

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right fit for you. Who's gonna listen to you and

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who's gonna, you know, be supportive of what you want

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to do in a healthy way. So I think it's

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just a matter of finding those right supports.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Danny. And it also has to include

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those in the sport talking to each other, because how

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many times have we gone up to somebody and said whoa, WHOA,

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what's going on here? And they go, shut up, leave

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me alone. I got this handle, I got it undercover.

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See we're hiding in front of those that are doing

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it right there with us.

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Speaker 2: I mean I hid him plain sight, in front of

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the whole world for twenty years.

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Speaker 3: I mean I didn't tell anybody in the sport of

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boxing because I viewed it as a direct liability to

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being able to compete. If I can't compete, how am

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I going to achieve my dreams? Right?

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Speaker 2: And so I literally hid in playing.

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Speaker 3: Sight for the whole world when I decided, Okay, this

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story is so impactful, I got to tell someone.

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Speaker 2: I just wrote a book and told the whole world

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that's it.

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Speaker 3: So outside of like my wife and my professional team,

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no one really knew. So I think that in this

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in combat sports, it's just a cultural thing, and I've

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seen it change. Like, you know, the old mindset was

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let me artificially, you know, get my body down to

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a certain size that it shouldn't be there, and I

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can compete because I'll have a better chance.

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Speaker 2: But in reality, that isn't the way to be the

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Speaker 3: The best athlete is to not cut way, to train

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as hard as you can, to be disciplined, to be

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a savage, to go out there and compete with all

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your skill and be fully fueled. And so I think

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people are realizing that more now, you know, And hopefully

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it's just a cultural thing and it will change the

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more people that speak out about it, you know, hopefully

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it will change, because at the end of the day,

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the reality is death should never ever be the result

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of making weight. It just shouldn't like that shouldn't even

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be a thing you should be healthy, you should be

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an athlete, and you should go compete fully fueled and

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at your best skill.

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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about you? Danny?

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And this book because I want your voice to be

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heard every day, not just in this moment of now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know it's funny.

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Speaker 3: I don't love talking about the stuff. You know, I'm

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a pretty private person. I thought if I write a book,

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it could be the blueprint for everybody that's struggling.

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Speaker 2: You can go read it. Then I realized when you

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write a book, you got to talk about it more.

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So yeah.

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Speaker 3: So so now listen, this is the market and plan.

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I'm gonna make my way to the Joe Rogan podcast.

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Once I get there, you have the audience of the

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whole world. Then I can tell everybody my story. And

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here's the thing, guys. There was a book written in

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two thousand and seven a guy from Canada. His name

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was McDonald, and it was about his experience as male

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eating disorder, and it did talk about combat sports.

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Speaker 2: Now, it wasn't lived experience, but here's the deal. That

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message wasn't being talked about loud enough. I didn't hear that.

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It's not in print now, I.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't read it like if I had maybe some more

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guidance in my earlier years before I started down this

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path of cutting weight and manipulating my body and ultimately

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developed this eating sort, I think things could have been different.

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So it's really important for me to get to the

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highest platform and speak my message.

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Speaker 2: You can buy the book on Amazon or bite like

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aman dot com.

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Speaker 3: Is my personal website that has all the links to

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the different ways to get the book and to uh

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to to you know, book me for speaking. So that's

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really my my message here is to to shout it

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louder than than than I possibly can, so that everybody

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can hear it.

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Speaker 1: If I see Joe Rogan slim down like the rock,

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I know we're all going to hell. There's no I'm

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telling you that, because that man is at the perfect place,

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the perfect time, and if I see him start slimming down,

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it's gonna bug the hell out of me. And I'm

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gonna reach for your book even deeper to figure out

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what we're gonna do to get this man back on track.

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But man, you've got to come back to this show

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anytime in the future. Danny. I love your story. I

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love your heart and we've got to talk more than

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this one time.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I love I'd love to be back and

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I appreciate the time today.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, sir, I will. I'll talk to you soon