1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but it does feel like 2 00:00:02,799 --> 00:00:07,040 I've been radicalized in some ways, and radicalize, you know, 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,759 not obviously to take up arms is to do anything violent, 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,640 but radicalize in the sense that I realize that there 5 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:17,719 are some things which are broken that I don't see 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,120 how they can be repaired. 7 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: At this point, you know, we've. 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Reached over the line in ways that is beyond the pale. 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:53,039 Speaker 2: This is Jonathan Pehel. Welcome to the symbolic world. All right. 10 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: It's been a few weeks now since the assassination of 11 00:00:56,719 --> 00:01:00,679 Charlie Kirk, and I wasn't sure I was going to 12 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,280 make a video about this, but I thought that maybe 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,400 it would actually be an opportunity to make a video 14 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:10,359 of course about the event, about some of what I 15 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:14,159 perceived to be its effects, but then also about politics 16 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:19,480 in general. You know, I get comments all the time, 17 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:22,799 people asking me why don't I talk more about the 18 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,560 war in Ukraine or you know, the situation the war 19 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,200 in Gaza, or why I don't talk about you know, 20 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,439 Nigerian Christians being slaughtered, or why I don't talk about 21 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,640 you know, the different political things. And in some ways 22 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,239 the same thing goes with Charlie Kirk. Many people have 23 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:44,480 written messages and they asked, are you going to talk 24 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:49,400 about the assassination? And as you've noticed, I actually very 25 00:01:49,519 --> 00:01:52,799 rarely talk about politics. It's not that I don't have 26 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,280 political opinions. I definitely do have political opinions, but at 27 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:01,280 least in my public sphere, I feel like that is 28 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:05,680 not my function. I will talk about politics if I 29 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,240 feel that it's insightful and that it's helping you understand 30 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,319 bigger questions. You know, as you've noticed, I started talking 31 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:14,080 about the end of the World War two consensus, and 32 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:18,520 it is because I have insight about what is happening 33 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:21,120 to us can help us understand what's going on, but 34 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:26,240 then also help us understand deeper patterns and deeper stories 35 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,800 and understand how worlds end, you know, how worlds begin. 36 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:35,360 All of that stuff now, And you also noticed, maybe 37 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:37,759 or maybe you haven't, that if I am going to 38 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,080 talk about in a current event, I usually take a 39 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,759 lot of time before I talk about it. I want 40 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,000 to avoid virality and I want to avoid, you know, 41 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:50,560 getting into the fray and getting those rage bait clicks. 42 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,919 And so these are decisions that I've made and that 43 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,879 we made as a team in the Symbolic World in 44 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,520 some ways they are anti at mention decisions, but just 45 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,199 how it's going to be, because obviously I am very 46 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:10,120 worried about getting into the cycle of rage and of clicks. 47 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: End of finger pointing. 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: Now, having said that, I have to say that there's 49 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,159 definitely something that has happened with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 50 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:29,960 There's something very big that is changing, and you know, 51 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:33,120 I can see it really in myself. I have to say, 52 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,680 you know, because I wasn't particularly a fan of Charlie Kirk. 53 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,599 Speaker 2: You know, I just wasn't paying that much attention to him. 54 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: In some ways, I think his public was much younger 55 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,719 than I was, and his style, you know, and it's 56 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:48,400 he I'm not an Americans I'm not in American politics, 57 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,479 and his style weren't particularly the type of style that 58 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,159 I appreciate, and and some of his positions were not 59 00:03:56,319 --> 00:04:01,719 my positions, which is fine as well. But but obviously, 60 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,039 you know, when Charlie Kirk was shot, just after, even 61 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,000 before I knew that he was shot, we had a 62 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,199 Symbolic World meeting and there were several people on the 63 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,280 meeting and my friend Jordan Hall was on the meeting, 64 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,680 and so we found out about it during that meeting, 65 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,399 and everybody was kind of shocked and surprised. 66 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: At what was going on. Didn't know. We didn't he 67 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,480 wasn't dead yet. 68 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: We found out that he was dead during the meeting, 69 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,319 and Jordanah Hall said something very wise to us. He said, 70 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:35,199 now is a good time for network pruning. And when 71 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:38,319 he met by network pruning was this is big, like 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,480 this is something big that's just happened, and it is 73 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:44,360 a good idea to pay attention to what people are 74 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:48,480 saying at this particular moment. People who jump in, people 75 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:52,560 who right away want to express their ideas, because you 76 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,560 will see their hearts, you know. He said, both for 77 00:04:55,639 --> 00:04:57,839 the positive and the negative, you know. And so sometimes 78 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:00,439 people will say something extremely wise and they it makes 79 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,879 you want to pay attention to them. 80 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: And then on the other hand. 81 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,199 Speaker 1: People will say something very foolish and it will make 82 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:13,560 you want to remove them from your circles. And I 83 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,959 took that very much to heart, and I watched what happened, 84 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:18,519 and I think, like most of you, maybe I'm wrong. 85 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,439 Speaker 2: I was very surprised. 86 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:25,079 Speaker 1: I was very surprised to see people that are too 87 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,480 close to me, people that are friends of friends, people 88 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,120 that are friends, people that are even going to my. 89 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: Church, who either celebrated his death outright. 90 00:05:40,519 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: Or you know, before his body was cold, started to 91 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:52,560 make derogative comments against them to in some ways not celebrate, 92 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:56,079 but at least justify or excuse or suggest that he 93 00:05:56,199 --> 00:06:01,639 was asking for it, that kind of stuff, suggesting also 94 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,959 that it's not a big deal. Why are we even 95 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,079 talking about this? Who cares? This person is not important, 96 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,680 It's not a big deal. And so it was actually 97 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:13,680 quite shocking to me, because I think, like most of you, 98 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,639 it was shocking. It was shocking because, like I said, 99 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:20,879 there are some things that I disagree with Charlie Kirk. 100 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,600 I don't I'm a Canadian. I don't necessarily agree on 101 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:28,959 his position on guns. I don't agree also on his 102 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,079 position on Israel, for example. But basically, apart from that, 103 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:37,279 this guy's just a basic conservative. And I understand that 104 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,639 there is there are people that have been seduced by 105 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,839 lies and let's say reframing of the things that he 106 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:50,360 said by the media. But even that makes it alarming 107 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:53,319 as well, is that, first of all, so many of 108 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,399 the things people were saying to let's say, excuse his 109 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,360 killing or to you know, kind of say, well he 110 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,160 was kind of it or was asking for it. Was 111 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,680 usually things that Charlie Kirk had actually not said that 112 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,199 we're reframed in tortuous ways that were light about. Like, 113 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,600 for example, there was this famous thing about how Charlie 114 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:18,000 Kirk said that now he has to think about I'm 115 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 not going to phrase it exactly right, but now he's 116 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,199 going to have to wonder if a black pilot is qualified. 117 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,120 And people said, well, that's racist, but it was weird 118 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,879 because the quote is actually anti racist. He was saying, 119 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,319 if you hire people only because of their skin color, 120 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,759 you're forcing people that are taking the flight if they 121 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,600 see someone who's black to now ask the question was 122 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,199 were they hired for their their capacity or where they 123 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,240 hired because of their race and they're not capable? And 124 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,959 so he's saying, no, let's not be racist and hire 125 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,959 people for the color of their skins, because what it 126 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,879 does is it creates the opposite of what you think. 127 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,839 It actually can encourage racist thoughts in people because now 128 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:00,319 they're thinking, well, why was this person hired? You know, 129 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:02,920 if I knew they were hiring for equality, and I 130 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:05,319 see a pilot that is of a different skin color 131 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:07,240 or you know whatever. I'm like, well, they know what 132 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,519 they're doing or what they're hiring qualified people. So that 133 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,120 was just one example. There's so many examples of people 134 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:18,600 that were deforming it. So that was already obviously something 135 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:20,800 that we've seen. Obviously I saw with Jordan Peterson, that 136 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:24,319 we saw with Donald Trump, that we saw in so 137 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:28,399 many of the right. We saw Gavin McGinnis get destroyed 138 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,839 because of people lying about what it is that he 139 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,000 actually said. There were so many of that happening, And 140 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,679 in some ways, how can I say this, like it 141 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,279 felt like this part of the problem was being taken 142 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,879 care of, Like it felt like in the past few 143 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,919 years we in some ways have been able to break 144 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,320 through and to avoid the media misrepresenting figures in ways 145 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:53,000 that are. 146 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,799 Speaker 2: Extremely damaging to them. But it seems like we haven't. 147 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:59,519 Speaker 1: It seems like we haven't, and that this is still 148 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,600 going on, and so that there are people use lies 149 00:09:02,639 --> 00:09:07,159 in order to misrepresent others and to stoke hatred against them. 150 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:12,440 But even if those the lies had been true, even 151 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,039 if the things that people said about him had been true, 152 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,600 the fact that this would lead to people diminishing his 153 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:25,960 assassination or diminishing or celebrating it, or thinking he had coming. 154 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:32,320 It's very telling about the state of our culture. Hello everyone, 155 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,039 we are finally announcing our Paradiso class. We have done 156 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,519 two already. We have the Inferno, we have the Purgatory, 157 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:42,879 and now we are moving to Paradise. 158 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: That is right. 159 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: Dante himself says Inferno that we prefer hell to Paradise, 160 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,440 and similarly, most of us prefer to read Inferno. But 161 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,559 when we come to reading Parodis, so we're very confused. 162 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,600 So we're going to be actually taking you through that 163 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,840 poem line by line like we with Inferno Purgatorio, and 164 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:06,799 actually looking at how Dante very carefully reconciles some. 165 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: Of the. 166 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 3: Contradictory traditions about the heavens in the Christian apocalyptic tradition 167 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,519 and does that through the persons of the saints. 168 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,279 Speaker 1: And so this is truly important for us right now, 169 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,759 with the re enchantment of the world happening, we have 170 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:24,960 to be able to look at those that that did 171 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,879 it in the most powerful way that we're able to 172 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:31,840 reconcile the ancient pagan traditions with Christianity. With his modern 173 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,320 understanding the most modern understanding of the cosmos that he had, 174 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,519 and so this is the work that we need to do, 175 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,200 so we need to learn from Dante. So the course 176 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,720 it starts November fifth to December third, right, is that 177 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:47,799 what I've got five weeks two to five on Wednesdays. 178 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:49,279 Speaker 3: So the cost is going to be one hundred ninety 179 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,320 dollars US. But we do have an early bird sale 180 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,080 through the month of October, which bumps it down to 181 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,360 one hundred and sixty one. You can use the code 182 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:00,320 early Paradiso and that is good through the end of October. 183 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,039 Speaker 1: And the Inferno and the Purgatorial class are also on 184 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,039 sale at the same time, so you have fifty percent 185 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:09,080 off during the month of October Code Dante fifty And. 186 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 2: You know that means you have no excuse. 187 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,039 Speaker 1: So if you haven't taken the first classes, now is 188 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,679 the chance to scoop all that up. 189 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you don't want to watch live or 190 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,200 it doesn't work for your schedule, you'll be able to 191 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,279 follow along at your own pace. Just like with all 192 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:25,519 of our courses. You'll have access to lecture recording, slides, 193 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,600 additional readings, and you can still ask questions and interact 194 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,519 with your fellow classmates in our circle forums. 195 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:33,639 Speaker 2: And so join us. 196 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: After all of this suffering through inferno and purgatorio, the 197 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:38,960 symbolic world finally goes to heaven. 198 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, join us. 199 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:51,759 Speaker 1: And so in some ways, I hate to say this, 200 00:11:51,879 --> 00:11:55,279 but it does feel like I've been radicalized in some ways, 201 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,960 and radicalize, you know, not obviously to take up arms 202 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,480 is to do anything violent, but radicalized in the sense 203 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:06,519 that I realize that there are some things which are 204 00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:09,360 broken that I don't see how they can be repaired. 205 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,519 Speaker 2: At this point, you know, we've. 206 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,799 Speaker 1: Reached over the line in ways that is beyond the pale. 207 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,159 And you know, and you see this with the kind 208 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:25,200 of celebration of assassination and the desire for assassination for 209 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,639 the president of the United States. You know, how people 210 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:32,000 celebrated the what is his name, Manjoni, the guy who 211 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,399 killed the CEO. All of this is very disturbing, but 212 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:42,080 at the same time, it is not that disturbing. It 213 00:12:42,159 --> 00:12:46,480 is not that disturbing because the notion that violence is 214 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:48,960 not a part of politics is a very recent thing, 215 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,639 and it's a great thing. I'm happy that we have 216 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,200 kind of come to the conclusion that violence should not 217 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:03,399 be part of the national political discussion. But the revolutionary thinkers, 218 00:13:04,039 --> 00:13:08,320 I mean, revolution means cutting the king's head off, folks. No, 219 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:14,840 that's what revolution entails. Revolution means violence. And so it 220 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,679 is not surprising that the people that are on the 221 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,600 that's a further left, are celebrating or at least seeing 222 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:31,360 that this is normal fair for political action is to assassinate, 223 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,279 to bomb, to do the things that the revolutionaries have 224 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:38,440 always done. And at the same time, you will see 225 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:40,039 that this goes both ways. 226 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: It just does. 227 00:13:40,799 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: This is how it works, is that there is also 228 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,200 a kind of celebration of let's say, authority violence that 229 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:50,120 comes from the other side. And so the right in 230 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:55,480 general tends to think that violence is legitimate if it 231 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:58,480 comes from the source of authority and is there to 232 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:02,639 protect and exclude, and the left thinks that violence is 233 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:05,879 legitimate if it goes against authority and it is there 234 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,960 to remove authority in order to free us from tyranny 235 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:13,320 and fascism in all of these types of things. Now, 236 00:14:14,799 --> 00:14:17,519 I am obviously more conservative. I tend to think that 237 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,720 there is a legitimacy of state violence that is inevitable. 238 00:14:21,799 --> 00:14:23,679 You know, you put people in prison, you arrest them. 239 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,919 All of these things in some ways are inevitable. And 240 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,519 you know, for a very long time, you know, we 241 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,000 have the death penalty for certain things. This is something 242 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,440 that is I think more normal than revolutionary violence. But 243 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,759 you can understand the story and how as people on 244 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:49,639 the right, you know, are celebrating arrests, are celebrating deportations, 245 00:14:49,799 --> 00:14:54,039 are celebrating you know, these gestures, then the people on 246 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,159 the left start to and I'm saying one is the 247 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,840 cause of the other. I'm saying these two are kind 248 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:02,960 of happening simultaneously, and we're seeing a desire for revolutionary 249 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:06,600 violence and a desire for assassination. I mean, you know, 250 00:15:06,679 --> 00:15:10,200 the former head of the FBI, for goodness sake, you know, 251 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,159 suggested on social media that we should assassinate the president 252 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,279 of the United States. It means that assassination culture is growing. 253 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,399 And I want to point out something. You know, my 254 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,360 brother Mattur is preparing to write his next book, and 255 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:32,440 he recently put out a video. We can link it 256 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,919 in the description where he was interviewed by a Spanish interlocutor. 257 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,360 Because his book has been translated into Spanish, which is 258 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,759 great for all you Spanish speakers. 259 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: You can get a language of creation in Spanish. 260 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,159 Speaker 1: But I think Matsieur my brother, had one of the 261 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:50,360 best takes in terms of the Charlie Kirk assassination. He 262 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,320 had the wisest take, and he mentioned that debate is 263 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,840 something like the role of opposition within a society. That 264 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,759 is that within a system, within a family, within a country, 265 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,159 you know, within whatever body that you can imagine, there 266 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,080 are means by which to express opposition in order to 267 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,840 make ourselves better. Right, so you need an opponent inside 268 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:17,320 a system to tell you when you're doing something wrong 269 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:20,440 so that you can improve yourself. And we know, you know, 270 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,720 as that's happening, that we're all nonetheless working for a 271 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:27,679 higher goal, you know, for the unity of the nation, 272 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:29,879 for the unity of the family, or whatever group that 273 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,320 you're participating in. And you know, my two points out 274 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:38,440 that in some ways debate is a friendly version of that, 275 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,600 where we accept certain rules, we accept that we're going 276 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:45,759 to duke it out in words, and the purpose is that, 277 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:48,360 you know, we understand that we are not enemies, actually 278 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:51,799 that we are kind of opponent in the sense of 279 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,240 opponent processing. Really that John Raveki talks about this need 280 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,360 for check and counter check in order to get better 281 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,319 and to align ourselves properly. That if you transform that 282 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:11,440 into violence, then you are creating the true Satanic relationship. 283 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:14,119 Right so now the opponent is outside. Right now, the 284 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,240 opponent wants to kill me. Now the opponent wants to 285 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,279 devour me. And so it is, you know, political assassinations 286 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,240 are ways to cause civil war, are ways to provoke 287 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:34,240 true physical conflict in the country. And so I thought 288 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:36,680 that his insight was very wise and that we should 289 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,160 really pause and think about it and consider this as 290 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,519 we move forward and as we see this happening, and 291 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,200 once the problems that once this is breached, once political 292 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:51,359 violence starts to be acceptable in the. 293 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: World, it is hard. 294 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: It is going to be hard to stop it, you know, 295 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,519 because the problem with political violence is that it works 296 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:05,359 like it does what people want it to do, especially 297 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,559 if what you want is to accelerate the conflict, you know, 298 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,440 and you know, it's very difficult to deny that terrorism works. 299 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,480 It actually does the things that it tries to do. 300 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:23,079 I mean, look at at Muslim terrorists, Like Muslims kill Christians, 301 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:26,880 they bomb, they create acts of terror, and because of 302 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,200 those acts of terror, people are afraid to criticize Islam, 303 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,279 and they don't, and they justified in all kinds of ways, 304 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:37,880 but really they're just afraid of violence. And so this 305 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,720 is of course a frightening time when they when we 306 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:44,039 see this happen. But one of the things that I've 307 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:47,880 appreciated and that I've been in some way surprised about, 308 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,839 is that the reaction from many of the right leaning 309 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:57,720 pundits has been to appeal to christ right, appeal to Christianity, 310 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:05,240 and appeal to forgiveness, appeal to you know, an understanding that. 311 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,279 Speaker 2: In some ways Charlie Kirk is a kind of martyr. 312 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: Obviously he's not a martyr, you know, in the strict sense, 313 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,359 but he in some ways acts as a kind of 314 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:20,799 martyr for the for the Conservatives, for the right, and 315 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,400 instead of using this only as a battle cry, is 316 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,599 to see it mostly as a way to unite their side, 317 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,680 and to unite their side under a banner of debate 318 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:37,960 and honor and also forgiveness. So if that holds, I 319 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,319 think that we will we might have something powerful that 320 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,720 is coming downstream. But we'll see it's a very fragile 321 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:53,160 thing because for the past few years, the conservative movement 322 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,839 or the right wing, especially in America, has been very 323 00:19:55,839 --> 00:20:01,640 divided over the question of Israel, and so, you know, 324 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,319 and so that's why you can see, like it's interesting 325 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,519 mythologically to watch it happen. What you can see is 326 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:12,119 that you know, this man dies, is killed, is assassinated 327 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,039 in public, you know, as a kind of human. 328 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,559 Speaker 2: Sacrifice type gesture. 329 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: And then what you see is you can see the 330 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:24,799 faction of the right be united immediately and say, all right, who, 331 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,039 all right, let's this bickering, Let's stop it, let's let's 332 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,920 not let's not fight over these secondary things. Let's focus 333 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,640 on the fact that you know, we have people that 334 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,319 are trying to kill us, and that we have to 335 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,720 rise up and be better. But then also what you 336 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,480 see right away in the second wave is you see 337 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:47,960 faction of the right trying to claim the martyrdom for themselves, right, 338 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,319 and so what you see is people trying to posit 339 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:55,160 certain positions that Charlie Kirk had in order to. 340 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,519 Speaker 2: Align the martyr with their cause. 341 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: And so we have to be very attentive as we 342 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,960 see that happening, because it is a it's kind of 343 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,240 inevitable that that will that that will happen. 344 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: But it's good to notice it, to notice that. 345 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,519 Speaker 1: That's why there's this whole discussion now about you know, 346 00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:17,240 this letter that Charlie would have written to Netanyahu about Israel, 347 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,240 and others saying it's not the real letter, it's a 348 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,119 it's a fake letter, uh, and that in fact it 349 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,000 was a letter that's. 350 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: Critical of Israel. 351 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:29,319 Speaker 1: All of that is in some ways people on the 352 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,720 right trying to kind of claim the martyrdom for their 353 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:36,839 side of the of the debate right, and so to 354 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:39,519 continue to act as if this is uniting us, but 355 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,240 to want to frame the unity in their side. So 356 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,000 pay attention to that, you know, in terms of watching 357 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,319 things happen, it's worth it's worth noticing. 358 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: But you know, but I have to say that. 359 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: I've been very affected by this, like not because like 360 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,880 I said, not not of course, a father. 361 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: Being assassinated in front of his children. I mean, it's 362 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,279 a horrible thing. 363 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:10,519 Speaker 1: But I think it's because of everything surrounded surrounding it, 364 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:13,720 you know, everything surrounding that event that is making it 365 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,839 remarkable and worthy of paying attention to because it's exposing, 366 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,920 it's exposing things about our society. You know, my friend 367 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,680 of mine, Winston Marshall, who I've done interviews with. He 368 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,799 went to the vigil in New York a few days 369 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:32,960 after the after the death Right, you know. 370 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 3: And. 371 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: He said that Antifa came and they were all dressed 372 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,200 in black and masked and holding their phones, and they 373 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,519 were laughing like little demons, he said. And they were 374 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:51,759 creeping through and like putting their phones up in people's 375 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:56,200 faces and coming right up to people, to people's faces, 376 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:01,000 laughing and giggling as they were remembering this man who 377 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,119 was just like two or three days like three days before, 378 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,480 who was assassinated, you know, because of his political opinions. 379 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,759 And so you can understand how that has an effect 380 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,839 on people. Yeah, And so I would say, you know, 381 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,480 to everyone who's watching, I would say, to watch your hearts, 382 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,319 to make sure that your hearts are aligned properly. It's 383 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,559 okay to have a political side. It's okay to have 384 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,839 political opinions, but of course we always have to couch 385 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,839 those political opinions into higher truth and if you're an American, 386 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,960 into a higher unity and to if you want to 387 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,799 preserve the unity of your nation, you have to be 388 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,240 very cautious in formulating the other side of the political 389 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:46,720 aisle as an absolute enemy, because if you do that, 390 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:51,079 then that at some point will yield, that will yield 391 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,559 civil war, and we have to be able to recapture 392 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:59,359 the possibility of opposition as debate within unity. 393 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:01,839 Speaker 2: So, like I. 394 00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: Said, different thoughts to consider. You know, don't forget to 395 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:08,720 check out the video that mets your did. It's very insightful. 396 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,039 He also talks about Antichrist in ways that is just 397 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,480 in passing. He says these things in passing extremely wise 398 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,519 and extremely extremely worth considering. 399 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:20,759 Speaker 2: So thanks everyone for your attention. 400 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: I feel like this was not completely coherent, but hopefully 401 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,839 these thoughts are valuable to you, so I'll talk to 402 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,400 you very soon. 403 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,039 Speaker 2: Bye bye. 404 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,079 Speaker 1: If you enjoy these videos and podcasts, please go to 405 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,799 the Symbolic World dot com website and see how you 406 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:38,000 can support what we're doing. There are multiple subscriber tiers 407 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,960 with perks. 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