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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. On

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this episode, we're gonna check out some of the headlines

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that have happened overnight and in the past few days

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and get caught up on where things currently stand as

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of this morning. And to do that, we're once again

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going to use the Independent headline Idaho murders update, source

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reveals victim grab knife as Kaylee Gonsalve's family appeals the

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gag order. This article was authored by Rachel Sharp and

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Andrea Blanco. Now there's also another article out this morning,

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or I guess it came out yesterday from The Daily

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Mail talking about the surviving roommate and how one of

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Ethan Chapin's relatives made a post on Reddit about the

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roommate and about how the roommate didn't act fast enough

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and stuff like that. However, what the Daily Mail forgets

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to do is let you know that that post was

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made literally a few days after the murders, so context,

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especially here is very important. We haven't heard anything from

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Ethan Chapin's family, at least publicly, that has anything to

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do with anything besides talking about Ethan's memory, right and

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how they're going to remember their lost son. But this

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post from Reddit three months ago, well, it has daily

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Mail out here writing an article. And I'm not one

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of these people that really piles on Daily Mail. I

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think they do pretty good work when it comes to

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true crime stuff, and they certainly did good work when

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it came to Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew. But you

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have to have some context here, because it's important. A

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lot can change, you know, a few days after the murder,

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all the way up until now as far as opinions go.

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When you get more information and things are put into

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context as a relative and you're hearing from the police

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that you know there's suspect who is Brian Koberger, well

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it puts things in context for you and hopefully answer

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some of the questions you may have. Now, that doesn't

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mean there aren't questions that need to be answered around

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the surviving roommates. I'm not somebody who believes that they

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had anything to do with these crimes, but there's a

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lot of things that are missing and a lot of

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gaps that need to be filled in. For sure. These

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poor girls went through a traumatic experience as well, and

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none of us know how we would react. But that

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doesn't mean we can't have questions about what went down,

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and hopefully we'll get some clarification about all of that

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come trial time. But as far as framing it in

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this article, like Ethan's family is coming out and questioning

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if Dylan had something to do with these crimes without

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putting it into context of when that comment allegedly was posted,

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well it makes it look like they don't believe what

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the police are saying. However, when you read that in

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context and you find out that this was four days

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after the crime happened, way before the affid David was released,

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way before Brian Koberger was arrested, then you start to

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see things a little more clearly. Right, if Ethan Chapin's

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family truly felt like this, I think we'd be hearing

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it from his parents, not from some alleged family member

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on Reddit. So while I understand that the Daily Mail

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has to drive traffic and keep interest in the story,

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but I'm not a big fan of reporting things out

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of context to drive clicks. I think that's a bit ridiculous.

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But the overall question of what happened that night, what

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the roommate's reaction was, and why why she did what

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she did. All of that's valid, and all of those questions,

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hopefully at some point are going to be answered by

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investigators or at the trial. Because remember the defense team,

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they're aware of all of this as well. Who knows

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what Brian Kolberg and his team are cooking up as

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far as what the roommate had to say during those

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fateful hours that morning in Moscow, because she's gonna be

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put on the witness stand and Ann Taylor is going

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to have a chance to cross examiner. So that's going

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to be very interesting to see how that all breaks

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out and what comes after that cross examination. So instead

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of reading that whole Daily Mail article where it's basically

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out of context, I figured we just touch on it

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real quick before we dove into the rest of the

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updates for this morning. So with that said, let's get

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to it and let's check on the other headlines. One

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of the victims in the Idaho murders reportedly fought the

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attacker before she was killed. Sources close to the investigation

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told News Nation that slain University of Idaho Xana Kernodle

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had suffered wounds to her fingers after repeatedly grabbing the

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knife from the killer during the November thirteenth attack, And

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if there was that kind of strung, you have to

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think that Brian Cohberger's DNA is going to be on

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Zana's body. When you have a fight like that and

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her fingers are slashed to the degree that they were,

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you have to think that she at least got her

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hands up and grabbed them at some point and maybe

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just maybe some skin or something like that went under

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her fingernails. Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin, and her roommates Madison

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Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalvez were also murdered that night. Washington

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State University criminology PhD student Brian Coohberger has since been

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charged with the slayings. Last week, the Gonsalves family attorney

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Shannon Gray appealed to gag order in the case that

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he described as unconstitutional and fascily overbroad and vague. Fox

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News reported. And remember, it's not just Shannon Gray who

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thinks that, it's the media as well. Over twenty media

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organizations have banned together to challenge the vast scope of

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that gag order as well. So it's not just Shannon

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Gray and the Gonsalvez family here who believes that the

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scope is overbearing. The measure bans investigators, law enforcement personnel, attorneys,

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members of both the prosecution and the defense, and any

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attorneys representing witnesses, victims or victims families from sharing new

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information about the investigation or the suspect. The order issued

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by the Leyta County Chief Magistrate on January fourth was

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extended on January nineteenth and is set to remain in

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place throughout court proceedings until a verdict has been reached

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or unless the mandate is modified by the court. So

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hopefully it'll get modified by the court and they'll find

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a common ground where they protect the integrity of the

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case as well as doing the best they can to

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ensure that the jury pool is not tainted. But you

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have to remember that there's constitutional rights that go along

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with all of that, and you can't just trample the

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constitution whenever it's convenient for you. The UNI Brian Coberger's

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distinct eyebrows may have been among the first in a

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string of details that linked him to the Idaho murders.

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According to a new report. Airmel's The Eyes of a

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Killer Part Two offers a vivid description of the Moscow

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police hunt for evidence that would ultimately materialize in mister

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Coburger's arrest for the murders of four University of Idaho students,

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based on an affet David released earlier this month in

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sources close to the investigation, and those eyebrows being so

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bushy happened to be the distinguishing feature that the surviving

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roommate remembered, And then when she reported that, things started

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to snowball from there when they started looking at people

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who owned the launtras and vehicles that were close in

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the description to the one that Brian Coburger owned, and

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then when they pieced it all together and started stitching

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it up, led them to Brian Coburger. According to her report,

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a lead investigator first had in inkling that mister Coburger

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would become a suspect in the crime after he ran

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the Washington State University PhD student's license plate and noticed

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his bushy eyebrows. One of the surviving roommates at eleven

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twenty two, King wrote home had recounted how she unknowingly

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saw her friend's killer leaving the scene before going back

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into her room in a state of shock. The woman

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said the killer was wearing a mask, but his bushy

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eyebrows stood out to her, so all she really got

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was a description of what he looked like as far

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as how tall he was, was he fat, was he skinny, athletic, muscular, whatever?

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And then the clincher, the one thing that he didn't

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have covered up was those bushy eyebrows, and that one

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little detail, added up with all of the other stuff

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that they had come up with, led them to Brian Coburger,

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and using the entirety of that evidence, they were able

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to build that probable cause and strong probable cause to

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go after him and eventually get a judge to sign

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off on arresting him. But that's the easy part. Getting

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the judge to sign off on a probable cause warrant

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isn't the most difficult thing in the world. It's certainly

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not getting a jury to believe what you want them

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to believe. And that's what the prosecution is going to

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have to do. Their job is going to be to

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turn all of these allegations into concrete proof. Are they

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going to be able to do that, Well, that's the

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million dollar question, And what we see so far is strong.

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What we see so far seems to be the foundational

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building blocks for a conviction, but like usual, I always

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leave some room for things to go south. New evidence

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can be introduced to the case, there can be prosecutorial misconduct,

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just a whole slew of things that could possibly go wrong.

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So this certainly in some slam dunk that they're gonna

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get a conviction on. And the prosecution has to continue

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to be on their game and they have to continue

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to build these blocks on top of each other so

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that a jury believes that Brian Koberger, the man the

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government says killed those four college students, gets convicted. And

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if they can't make that case and they can't put

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those pieces together, then well the conversation is gonna be

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something else entirely, all right, folks, that's gonna do it

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for this one. All of the information that goes along

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with this episode, well that can be found in the

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description box.