1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,199 Speaker 1: What is up Fellaska's I Am Dana Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,560 you with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous. Mister 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,519 Grant Hugh's Hardware Nots has gathered you all here. 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: Today to talk about the offseason. 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: There's enough not so interesting basketball happening for us to 6 00:00:22,519 --> 00:00:26,480 start taking some macro stances or macro looks at what's 7 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:26,839 to come. 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,719 Speaker 2: So we're gonna do. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,719 Speaker 1: NBA teams that we already know are gonna define the offseason, 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,159 not that we're oh, if this happens, depending on what 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,920 goes on in the playoffs. We're predicting right now that 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,799 they're gonna do some seismic stuff over the summer, or 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,320 we expect them to before we get started. 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: Though, Grant, how heck are you doing? 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: Doing very well? I'm glad to uh pivot from very like, 16 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:54,320 let's talk about the basketball part of the basketball which 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,159 we just recorded. I'm not sure when you'll be hearing 18 00:00:56,159 --> 00:00:59,799 this to some offseason stuff because for a lot of 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,039 them league this season doesn't matter anymore. That's unfortunate. Listen 20 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:06,719 to our tanking discussion release last week, if earlier this week, 21 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:09,480 if you want our take on that. But yeah, got 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,519 to start talking off season, man, like, that's that's what 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,239 a lot of these teams are thinking about and have 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,799 been for a while, so we might as well do 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,120 it too. 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: So how did you before we get started? For real? 27 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: How did you approach? What are you looking for when 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,760 the playoffs haven't happened yet and you want to know, Oh, 29 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:26,719 this team is really going to shape what goes down 30 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:27,959 in the inn the off season. 31 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: It's a combo of just you know, some of the 32 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:34,920 where there's smoke, there's fire stuff right where if there's 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,200 been some I'm just going to telegraph it. But if 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,200 there's been some unrequited trade chatter with a certain team, 35 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,079 that's probably going to come up in the offseason. Again, 36 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:44,599 that's a a good chance you're going to get included here. 37 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,920 Cap space picks, big time free agent decisions that might 38 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:52,879 affect other teams and might affect the market, all that 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,239 kind of stuff. Just teams that have flexibility. There's a 40 00:01:57,239 --> 00:01:59,079 special category I have. I don't know if we'll get 41 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,599 to these teams necessarily, but that could undergo some fairly 42 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,920 significant changes, maybe if they disappoint in the playoffs or 43 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:10,080 have already disappointed before getting to the playoffs. For example, 44 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,479 So a lot of factors went in there. Anything to 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,680 add that went into your calculus for for these teams. 46 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:18,039 Just vibes. 47 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:19,599 Speaker 1: If the vibe is just off and you think that 48 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,159 we didn't even get to the pluck where you know 49 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:22,719 that's something this this is just weird. 50 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: The vibes matter to me. 51 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not wrong. 52 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,759 Speaker 1: Well, we'll give you the first pick, as per usual. 53 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: Where do you where do you want to take? 54 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, we have to just start with the Bucks because 55 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:39,719 Nis is going to be extension eligible. Not sure if 56 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:42,840 you're aware of that, because Jannis wants to stay in 57 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,159 Milwaukee forever and ever. Right now, dot dot dot, I've 58 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:49,439 already made that joke, but like, come on, that's where 59 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:52,080 we are. We're in We're in the ellipses territory of 60 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:56,960 the Bucks and Janni's relationship. So it's gonna be just 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,919 like the trade deadline I imagine, where although now I 62 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,840 wish I'd looked up his extension date when he talked Okay, 63 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,319 So this is a real problem because it's gonna later however, 64 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,960 if the Bucks and Yannis don't get to a point 65 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:15,479 this offseason where he's either gonna definitely sign it or 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:21,000 not and then we can act subsequent to that. Man, 67 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,159 that's gonna be rough if we just have to all 68 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:26,560 summer talk about this. But that's the next kind of 69 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:29,759 fork in the road potential moment, which is to say, 70 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,360 if he doesn't say I want to sign it, I'm 71 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,879 gonna sign it, then you have Then there's just another 72 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:40,039 element in the we gotta trade this guy equation. So 73 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:44,280 I don't really it's not like the Bucks suddenly well 74 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,080 if they lose, honest, they're gonna go out and get X, 75 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:48,840 Y and Z in free agency. It's just like that's 76 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,599 just the domino. That's the first domino I think are 77 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:55,319 the biggest one. Anyway, as far as what else happens 78 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,199 this summer. 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,919 Speaker 2: I agree they need to be on this list. 80 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:00,719 Speaker 1: What's gonna be fascinating is because cause you mentioned the 81 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:03,240 extension date, you have to have the answer well before then, 82 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,439 and I believe it will come organically because they'll know 83 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:08,639 where they end up in the draft. They'll have three 84 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,319 first round picks to trade. You have to kind of 85 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:14,599 see what you can do. Go to him and say 86 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:19,519 is this enough? And if he doesn't give the absolute 87 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:21,240 co sign yeah, I'll sign the extension. 88 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: If X Y and Z happens. 89 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:25,959 Speaker 1: You can't do X, Y or Z at that point 90 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:27,399 you've exhausted enough trying to keep him. 91 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:30,079 Speaker 2: I respect it. I wouldn't be you. 92 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:32,519 Speaker 1: You could reasonably make the case because of just how 93 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,279 important he is to the fabric of the franchise you 94 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,439 just roll with him until he leaves in free agency 95 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:41,879 in twenty twenty. You shouldn't do that, but that he 96 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:43,800 is that type of player to where if he still 97 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:47,199 is being ambiguous about it, you go until the wheels 98 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:51,480 fall off. That said, it doesn't mean we trade everything 99 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,319 just to because we know we have him for another year. 100 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,240 You need some type of control, where it be the 101 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,439 commitment of him signing the extension. I don't think he's 102 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:01,560 gonna sign me extension. I don't know what the Bucks path, 103 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,480 but I I don't know what level of player they 104 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,399 would need to acquire with their draft equity and whatever 105 00:05:07,439 --> 00:05:09,680 salaries they can send out for me to look at 106 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,639 them and say they have a real chance at an 107 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:14,040 Eastern Conference that next year is going to have a 108 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,959 full season's worth of Jason Tatum plus Tyre's Halliburn and 109 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,040 a Viza Zubats in Indiana. 110 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, why I haven't really thought about that's the will 111 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,959 he won't he of the extension. I was just thinking about, like, well, 112 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:29,519 that's the crossroads. Why do you think he won't sign 113 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,160 it or won't commit to signing it. 114 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean, even was it maybe it was mistranslated right 115 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,759 from the interview. I think it might have come from 116 00:05:36,759 --> 00:05:39,439 euro Hoops or something, but that he said he was 117 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,800 going to have the right to decide in twenty twenty seven, 118 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,680 which makes me think that was he not planning on 119 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,879 signing the extension or is I just feel look at 120 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:49,160 what's happened when he signed extensions in the past. They 121 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:52,639 needed to make this big move, and so do you 122 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,360 make the big move without the promise of Giannis saying 123 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,439 he'll sign you, like, because if it's even well, well 124 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:00,959 we'll see, well like we'll see if if that's just 125 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,720 what the answer he gives you, the responsible decision. 126 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,199 Speaker 2: Would be to trade him. 127 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: I understand why you wouldn't, but you certainly can't turn 128 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:11,879 around and then trade two first round picks anyway without 129 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:14,439 knowing whether you're honest is gonna sign the extension. 130 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: Man, I mean, that's that's kind of how the Bucks 131 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:20,800 have operated. They did get the extension commitment, the one 132 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,120 the most recent time. But yeah, you can't do that right. 133 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,519 If it were any other situation, I would say, there's 134 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,959 no chance that they trade these picks and go get 135 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:32,399 some win now help without an assurance from you, honest. 136 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,279 But it's kind of like they've operated in a way 137 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:38,920 that's almost saying we'll go do all this and then 138 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,600 we'll present it to you and please sir favor us, 139 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,600 you know, holding out all these things they've done for him, 140 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:49,000 that's really scary. I do think if he does not 141 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:54,000 commit to signing the extension way before the deadline, if 142 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:56,079 I mean, if I'm the Bucks, I've traded him already. 143 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:58,839 But at that point you can at least go to 144 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:02,360 your fans and be like, fellas, like he was gonna leave. 145 00:07:02,439 --> 00:07:04,439 We can't. We can't just let you want him to 146 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,199 just walk. At least that I think that gives the 147 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:11,480 Bucks like just another just another like fingernail on the scale, 148 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,240 that that excuses them from being the ones. 149 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: To who initiates this and what we believe is it 150 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:20,480 inevitable or I don't know what's the who's the Is 151 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,920 there a player that you could say the Bucks traded 152 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,079 for him? That's enough to get Jannis to stay. How 153 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,279 high up the food chain are we going? 154 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,079 Speaker 3: Who's out there that could even so? Like if it's 155 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,000 Trey Murphy, not enough. 156 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:36,839 Speaker 2: Uh. 157 00:07:37,079 --> 00:07:45,319 Speaker 3: If it's I mean like someone who he's not going anywhere, bro, 158 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,879 that guy's the guy's getting his statue built right now? 159 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:50,000 Are you kidding me? I knew it all along, by 160 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,079 the way. Uh no, he I mean I would have 161 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,439 said marking in would have been interesting, but now he's 162 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:01,000 not moving. Brunson. Yeah, I think if you get brunts 163 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,519 and that's probably that's certainly good enough. 164 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,759 Speaker 1: What if you get Austin Reeves some type of sign 165 00:08:04,839 --> 00:08:06,399 and trade. I don't know why the Lakers help you 166 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:07,160 do that, but. 167 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:14,319 Speaker 3: That's borderline I think for you, Oh, COWI is interesting. Yeah, 168 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,920 you can't trust the health or that he's gonna be 169 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:25,199 allowed to play basketball. Potentially, the honest is out he's 170 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:27,720 that's enough to get it. Hey, that's what you do. 171 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,519 If you want to just rip the band aid off, 172 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:34,039 go get Polo and then you honest will believe. I mean, so, 173 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,360 I think if he doesn't say I'm signing it now, 174 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,240 please go make moves, then the Bucks are the ones 175 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:44,159 that come to him and say, like, you can't expect 176 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,120 us to go forward without a commitment. Right, we're gonna 177 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,080 trade you? Are you cool with that? And he's gonna say, 178 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:51,960 you'll be the ones to say that the franchise decided 179 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,080 to trade me, right, it's not. It's not that I 180 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,039 finally wont and gotten what I wanted without asking for it. 181 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,559 Then then you're good. 182 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:01,039 Speaker 1: Do you think that he because he's not gonna give 183 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,919 them an it would have to be the perfect trade. 184 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,960 I'm assuming I don't envision him giving them a definitive 185 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,440 answer before his extension date, because that allowed that gives 186 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:13,919 him plausible deniability. 187 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: Well there at least it won't be public. I guess 188 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,799 I think he's I think he has to commit. If 189 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,240 I'm the Bucks, I say it's it's July first. I 190 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:28,639 know there's three months until you have to decide. Tell 191 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,799 us today right now, And because we can't go make 192 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,240 like you said, they can't go do X, Y and 193 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,639 Z until they know do we have you honest or not? 194 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:40,279 Or do we have the honest or whatever else we're 195 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,360 gonna get for him, because then you just like, then 196 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:43,960 you keep all the picks you trade him, you get 197 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,039 a bunch more. You get like the two paths are 198 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,000 so divergent based on his answer that you one need 199 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,759 the answer way before October first, and you can't. There's 200 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,919 no like in between the road to go. Either you're 201 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,000 trading all this stuff or trade none of it and 202 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:04,039 you're trading him. So if he doesn't give you an answer, 203 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,159 then to me, that's a no, I'm not signing it, 204 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,919 and we're starting trade. We're restarting trade negotiations immediately. 205 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:14,399 Speaker 1: To rep they because they belong on this list, whether 206 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:17,200 they trade Jannis or keep him, because if they keep him, 207 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,559 it's because they've done something seismics. I want to ask 208 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:22,519 you for a prediction. Is Yannis on the Bucks to 209 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:23,480 start next season? 210 00:10:25,879 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: No? I think I think we finally have reached the 211 00:10:29,799 --> 00:10:33,840 last possible off ramp uh and I think the Bucks 212 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,240 are gonna take it. What do you think? I agree 213 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:36,519 with you? 214 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: I think I think. 215 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,799 Speaker 1: I just think that's where I if I thought Milwaukee 216 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:45,279 has currently constructed was closer to being an Eastern Conference 217 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:47,360 threat than it currently. 218 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 3: Is, playoff playing team, if you thought they were a 219 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,360 playing team maybe, which they aren't. 220 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:56,519 Speaker 1: My pick, I'm gonna go with the small market Los 221 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,759 Angeles Lakers, and this rights itself for a couple of 222 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:03,639 Austin Reeves has the player option, and there have been 223 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,679 questions about is he gonna get the twenty five percent 224 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:09,639 max he could. With that being said, there's also the 225 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,240 Lebron James at all, he's gonna be a free agent. 226 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: Seems like he's good as gone. That would be my prediction. 227 00:11:13,159 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: I don't think Lebron's on the Lakers next year, but 228 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:18,519 the Lakers can also while carrying Austin Reeves's cap hold, 229 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,799 carve out close to fifty million dollars in cap space. 230 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:27,480 They are now one of only three teams that project 231 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:31,360 to have cap space. I don't like cap space can 232 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,639 be used for more than free agency, because this free 233 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:36,519 agency class isn't any great shakes unless you think that 234 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:40,679 they're gonna go poach Jalen Duran from Detroit. The Lakers 235 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:43,919 just having cap space plus, by the way, three first 236 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,440 round picks to trade, so whoever they take this year, 237 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,759 plus twenty thirty one and twenty thirty three, there they 238 00:11:49,799 --> 00:11:52,279 have Luca. They're gonna do something. I don't know what 239 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,440 it's gonna be. I would I'm assuming they hope it's 240 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:59,639 multiple some things, but this is this feels like an 241 00:11:59,639 --> 00:12:02,600 inflac point type of offseason for them, because what if 242 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,559 you just kind of run this back paper over the 243 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,919 margins and then what now you're selling fans on Well, 244 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,360 twenty twenty seven is going to be the year when 245 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,840 it's Luca's younger, but he's not getting any younger. So 246 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,399 I think Lebron James leaves. That's its own sort of 247 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,679 separate I'd be shocked if he's back on a discount 248 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:21,440 with the Lakers. 249 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: I think they'll keep Austin Reeves, and I think. 250 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:28,159 Speaker 1: The goal will be they're trading multiple first round picks 251 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:30,679 while also hoping that they sign at least one in 252 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:32,399 But like, this is a team that I think ads 253 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:35,320 I'll put it this way, two players that should be 254 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:37,399 a part of their closing lineup next year. 255 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,759 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think that was my next pick, by 256 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:42,759 the way, So it just has to be them, because, 257 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:45,720 like you said, Luca's not young, but you kind of 258 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:49,679 I mean, this is a pretty successful like transition year 259 00:12:49,799 --> 00:12:51,720 or gap year, if that's what you want to call it. 260 00:12:51,799 --> 00:12:54,360 As those go, you only get one if you have 261 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:56,559 a player like Luca. If you're not trying to win 262 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,879 the championship and you have Luca, what are. 263 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: You doing if sign his extension, Well then we're really 264 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:07,080 get to that we're really interesting. 265 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,799 Speaker 3: So that yeah, they're they're you. I would echo everything 266 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:14,320 you said. I I think in addition to all that, 267 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,399 like it's everything has been gearing towards this, Like the 268 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,600 fact that Lebron's gonna leave is a result of him 269 00:13:19,639 --> 00:13:21,840 not getting an extension, which the Lakers could have done, 270 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:24,840 and that would have eaten up the capsp Like they've 271 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,679 been signaling by not making a trade involving one of 272 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,639 their picks at the deadline to preserve the ability to 273 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,480 trade a bunch more over the offseason. All their moves 274 00:13:34,519 --> 00:13:38,360 over the last really post Luca have suggested that we're 275 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,440 just gonna kind of figure it out until we get 276 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,440 to the twenty six offseason, and then then we'll make 277 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,879 this team because they've kind of just you know, messed 278 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,000 around and not done anything that's gonna prevent them from 279 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,679 doing big things since then. So yeah, they're they're a 280 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:53,159 great pick. 281 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: They need to get some wings and a center in there, right. 282 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,960 I did want to ask you, though, is cap hold 283 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,120 will still be smaller so they can get to around 284 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,159 close to fifty million dollars in capitol, and they of 285 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,000 course open up more if they find, let's say, a 286 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,519 taker for Jared Vanderbilt's deal, or if we assume that 287 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,279 A eight and is picking up his player option. Austin 288 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,039 Reeves' maxes from the Lakers could be four years one 289 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,720 hundred and eighty five point nine million or five years 290 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,360 two hundred and forty point seven. Do you think and 291 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:23,399 if he was to go sign with a separate team, 292 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,039 it's four and one seventy eight point five. 293 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:27,639 Speaker 3: That's I don't know that there are. 294 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:29,759 Speaker 2: Enough teams with other cap space. 295 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:33,279 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna unless he gives them a dis 296 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,360 I think he won't get the five year. 297 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,639 Speaker 2: Max would be my prediction. 298 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,159 Speaker 1: But if he's signing a five year deal, it's he 299 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,799 gave them like a haircut off the two forty. If 300 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,759 it's only a four year contract, I think it's gonna 301 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:48,759 be ninety five percent, if not one hundred percent of 302 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:49,200 the max. 303 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:53,279 Speaker 3: I think it's the Pascal Siakam situation with Indiana, where 304 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:55,879 it was basically this exact thing they could do five 305 00:14:56,399 --> 00:15:00,799 and more than anybody else. I thought from the that 306 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:03,799 it's you just need to be able. You just offer 307 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:07,279 him a dollar more than the other than any other 308 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,559 team can offer on a four year deal and say 309 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,000 you can't beat this and you're gonna be in LA 310 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,039 and you move up the pecking order at least one 311 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,399 spot with Lebron gone. Come on, man, like you're this 312 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,120 is you're taking this. I think it's gonna be four 313 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,639 for one, seventy nine or whatever whatever the max is 314 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:27,759 from another team, that's what it'll be. And like, I'm 315 00:15:27,919 --> 00:15:29,919 I'm pretty comfortable with that number. I think if you 316 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,679 get the that the I don't know, it's probably like irrational, 317 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:37,519 but the five year max max max number, I don't 318 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:40,840 love it. And the just just knowing that if I'm 319 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,320 the Lakers, just knowing that I didn't pay him anything 320 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,240 more than another team could have, so therefore it was 321 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,559 like a market rate. I'm okay, I'm comfortable. Yeah. 322 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:52,759 Speaker 2: The final question I have for them is would you 323 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:53,120 take this? 324 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:56,679 Speaker 1: Would eat up most of your cap space basic basically 325 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,399 all of it, because it's the same it'd be the 326 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,120 same max deal that Austin Reeves can say are you 327 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,360 taking or close if Austin rus was to leave, are 328 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:06,879 you taking your cap space? And offering a four year 329 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,320 max offer sheet to Jalen Duran. If you're the Los 330 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:15,639 Angeles Lakers man daring the Pistons to see whether they're 331 00:16:15,679 --> 00:16:18,320 gonna pay him the match forty plus million a year. 332 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: Uh, I don't think Jalen Duran's worth that. I think 333 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,879 if I'm the now, I'm scared because I'm the Lakers 334 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:29,320 and I decided that DeAndre Ayton at this rate was like, 335 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:32,200 that's good enough for you know, so you got to 336 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,519 find something in the middle there You're not You can't. 337 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:36,799 I don't think you can pay Durhan forty a year. 338 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:38,240 My crazy? 339 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: You think if you went so instead of let's say 340 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,759 the four for one eighty ish, if you went four 341 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,759 for one sixty, do you think that's still forty eight year? 342 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:44,919 Speaker 3: Like? 343 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:46,519 Speaker 2: What is the number you have to go to? 344 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: A number that makes the Pistons hesitant to match? 345 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:57,519 Speaker 3: I don't know what that number is. I I don't 346 00:16:57,519 --> 00:16:59,320 think I'm doing that because I think the Lakers not 347 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:02,360 either each other stuff. I think, then you're not going 348 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,400 to get your defensive wing that can make threes. Then 349 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,839 it's just Duran's your guy. Reeves is your guy, Lucas 350 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,519 your guy, and you're playing minimums in the mid level 351 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,480 for the rest of the roster. I don't think that's 352 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,680 good enough. So I don't from a team building perspective, 353 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,240 I just don't think you can commit all that to 354 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:19,200 Durrant and then, especially if the Pistons might just match 355 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,640 it anyway, because who knows, well, at. 356 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: That point that's hey, we messed with the Pistons books, 357 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,920 you might almost appreciate that type of game spinship. 358 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,279 Speaker 2: Who's in next team? 359 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 3: Okay, those are the big two. I think we should 360 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,640 talk about the Thunder just because they're about ninety million 361 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,240 over the cap in the in their projections, they're gonna 362 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,920 be into the second aprin unless Isaiah Hartenstein makes twenty 363 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,519 eight and a half on a team option lou Door 364 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,920 eighteen point two on a team option. This just is 365 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,000 gonna be the offseason where some trimming probably needs to happen. 366 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,480 And that might be especially interesting because they might be 367 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,160 coming off a second straight title. But if you've got 368 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,920 Shay making forty one million, Chet and Jada both making 369 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,640 forty one and a half million next year, Alex CRUs 370 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:08,119 is making nineteen six, this is when it's going to 371 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,599 have to happen. I think, and maybe what happens is 372 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:14,920 those team options get declined, longer term deals get signed 373 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,480 for lower annual value, you move the Joe's and Wiggins 374 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:22,240 of the world or something else. But the Thunder just 375 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:24,720 feel like a team that will look different coming in. 376 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:28,640 And that's relevant because if they're losing players from their rotation, 377 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:30,559 that means there are very good players that are going 378 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:34,200 to be either traded or moved elsewhere, and a potential 379 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,960 two time champion looks very different trickle down wise. It's 380 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,880 not like they've got sixty million in cap space and 381 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,839 they're going to control the market or anything like that. 382 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,799 It's a different kind of control of the offseason. But 383 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,599 they sort of have to be a team that is 384 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,519 at least focused on don't you think. 385 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just curious. 386 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: So they're they projected to be about twenty eight million 387 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,000 dollars into the second apron and that's before factoring in 388 00:19:01,079 --> 00:19:01,799 what are they down to. 389 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,839 Speaker 2: They have one first. 390 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: Round pick in this draft, so but it's before accounting 391 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,759 for any of that they have, Like you mentioned the 392 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:14,559 team options on Hartenstein, Dort and Kendrich Williams as well. 393 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:19,240 You're not making up though you can, but you can't 394 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:23,119 just man shaving thirty million dollars or whatever in salary. 395 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,079 That's gonna cost you one of Hartenstein or Dort and 396 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,599 then a Joe and An or. 397 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:29,559 Speaker 2: An Aaron Wiggins. Is that like, do you see them 398 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:30,200 going there? 399 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,039 Speaker 3: Like? Yet? 400 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,559 Speaker 1: It feels I'm wondering if this could be a season. 401 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,279 I agree with the pick. They're fascinating. I just wonder 402 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:39,400 if for a season do they trim their bill a 403 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,640 little bit by saying, oh, we're gonna decline these options 404 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,480 on Dirt and Hartenstein, but they're coming back cheaper. And 405 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,039 then I don't know if does that leave them within 406 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:48,680 if you get those two to take a haircut or 407 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:51,599 the span on a longer term deal, are you Alex 408 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,640 Caruso dump or Isaiah Joe dump away? Then from Ducking 409 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,480 to say maybe, I mean that. 410 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: That presupposes that there's not gonna be I mean, maybe 411 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:02,799 you work this out in advance. So it's not like 412 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:06,480 Hartenstein will be surprised when his team option is declined 413 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,680 and he goes on the market. But like, I think 414 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,240 that there there will be those guys agents are talking 415 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,640 to other teams or like, so I would imagine there's 416 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,240 an understanding of like what's out there on the open market. 417 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,200 Should that. I think the only thing I feel confident 418 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,720 in is that of the three, certainly at least two 419 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,079 of those are going to be declined those team options, 420 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:32,559 and so free agency will become a thing for a 421 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:35,960 couple of those guys, maybe all of them. Are they 422 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,559 willing to take a haircut to come back? If and 423 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:41,119 how big a one? And if you're another team, are 424 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,519 you like, yeah, we'll pay Hartenstein twenty five million a year? 425 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:46,640 That makes sense? Or Dort, like Dort could be the 426 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,079 missing piece for us? Whoever? Trying to think of the 427 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,759 team the Hornets are just like we need him. He's 428 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,240 a lakery on James the Lakers, decent fit, got the 429 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,920 cap space. I mean, Hartenstein, I don't hate that on 430 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,680 the Lakers. As you're starting, he just signed. 431 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: They sign Yeah, they worked. 432 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 3: Out pretty well over there. Why not us? It's just 433 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,000 I think I don't know what I think is gonna happen, 434 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:14,720 But it does feel like there's room here for some 435 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:17,359 of these guys to get away, or the thunder to 436 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,839 have to trim elsewhere in order to bring them back 437 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,759 at deals that'll keep them from signing elsewhere. It's not 438 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,599 just like Hartenstein's ecstatic to get twenty eight and a 439 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,720 half million dollars taken away, and yes, sir, I will 440 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:31,720 come back for ten million a year, no problem. Like 441 00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:34,759 that's he that's not happening. So there's there's gonna be 442 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:39,880 some uh tensions not the right word, but things could 443 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,559 happen here. I'm not rolling it out. 444 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: Most likely player that you think wouldn't be back then. 445 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,319 Speaker 3: Uh, if it's me, it's Dort just because you've got 446 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,240 Cason Wallace, you've got Alex Caruso, and you've got Jalen Williams. 447 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:55,720 Your perimeter defense is good. Like it just he's the 448 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:56,880 most expendable to me. 449 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: Alex Caruso is a little bit older then Ludort, And yeah, 450 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:07,400 I'm gonna go. I think it's Hartenstein. I think there 451 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,319 just might be like because if you decline, I think 452 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:12,200 someone would be willing to give him the balloon payment again. 453 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: For at least two years. 454 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: And so if you decline his team option, I don't 455 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,720 know that he's just gonna come back for sixteen or 456 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:17,559 seventeen million. 457 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,039 Speaker 3: And if that's the way it goes, then suddenly the 458 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:22,759 Thunder need another center. Unless you think Sorber is ready 459 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:25,119 to just step in because they don't like injury. Yet 460 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,960 they don't like chet at the five full time, and 461 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,079 I don't think that's the best use for him anyway. 462 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,920 So there's another that now they're on the market for 463 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:36,039 a guy who maybe they need to start. That'll be wild, 464 00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:38,559 a two time champion, just like, well, shit, we need 465 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,519 a starter now we have no way to pay one. 466 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:43,720 That'd be interesting my turn. 467 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,799 Speaker 1: Let's go with the Brooklyn Nets, one of the other 468 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,480 three teams that are projected to have cap space this 469 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:55,759 coming summer. Here's something I clocked. Everyone clocked this. They 470 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:58,119 don't know in their own first round pick last year. 471 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,759 But we just went through a trade deadline where not 472 00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:05,759 only did they keep Michael Porter junior, but they didn't 473 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:09,640 add any salary for next season, And so you start 474 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,279 to look at the space they could carve out where they're. 475 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,799 Speaker 2: Below the Lakers. 476 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:16,559 Speaker 1: I think the Lakers are gonna have league best cap 477 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:18,960 space now, but the Nets can pretty easily get to 478 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,480 forty five plus million themselves. 479 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,319 Speaker 2: Are they grant? 480 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: Are they They're either gonna use that to facilitate other 481 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,160 teams as big swings, or they're gonna be looking to 482 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,240 be players themselves. They've already been cited as, oh, could 483 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,319 they be a dark horse Yiannis destination if they just 484 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,440 decide to go though, what, we're flexible and we'll give 485 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,039 you draft equity route. I do wonder if part of 486 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:44,000 the reason they held on the Michael Porter Junior was well, 487 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,279 we're gonna try and be good pretty quickly again, We're 488 00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:48,559 gonna have another high draft pick. We have other draft 489 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:50,480 picks if we need to make trades, plus all this 490 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:51,720 financial flexibility. 491 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,519 Speaker 2: I just kind of looked at the. 492 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: Fact that they didn't take on It wasn't that that 493 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,599 they didn't make a bigger swing or trade Michael Porter 494 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,880 Junior specifically, It's that they didn't impact their tap space 495 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,400 really in any way, shape or form, and they could 496 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,720 get incredibly Like if let's say you're if a team 497 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,359 is willing to take back terns Man's contract, they can 498 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,319 just take back sixty million dollars in money. That is 499 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,799 not nothing when you're looking at like what trade. 500 00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:17,799 Speaker 2: Proposals could be out there. 501 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:20,599 Speaker 1: So I think the Nets are going to be active, 502 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,759 and not necessarily in the way that everyone would expect 503 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:25,640 a team in their position to be. 504 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,279 Speaker 3: No, they were. Might we've gone in order now that 505 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,599 they were my next pick, just they might have the 506 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,640 number one overall pick. That in itself puts them in 507 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,640 some pretty interesting conversations when you add in the cap space, 508 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,400 you add in the like they could. I think everything's 509 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,880 pointing to we're going to try to do some stuff 510 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,559 and like actually be fairly successful next year. You could 511 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,000 still trade Michael Porter Junior for some stuff if you 512 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:50,119 wanted to. If you wanted to, maybe go the other way. 513 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,519 So I think most signs point to them trying to 514 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:58,359 get good and they have the resources to do that. 515 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,720 I don't know what that looks like. The honest of 516 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,960 it all is a possibility, but yeah, they're they're going 517 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,119 to do something, whether that's the cap space play, putting 518 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,160 that number one pick on the table, probably that would 519 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,039 be crazy, but. 520 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: But that would be like, what is the player Yannis 521 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:14,039 is too old for me to do that. 522 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 2: I'm not, No, I'm not. 523 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: As the Nets, there might be a team at the Hawks. 524 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,920 Let's say I still probably wouldn't do it, but that 525 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,319 that's a team's timeline where you could envision it. The Nets, 526 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:29,400 if they have a number one pick, cannot just cannot 527 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,480 trade for Giannis, right, I guess if that's the only 528 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:32,359 thing you're sending. 529 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,319 Speaker 3: Conversations, we're having a conversation right now. It's a conversation. 530 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:35,599 Speaker 2: By the way. 531 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: They could also do what they did with Cam Johnson 532 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,519 to get Michael Porter Junior to where it's they trade 533 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,519 him to Portland for Jeremy Grant and then Bucks picks. 534 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: Or something along those lines. 535 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,839 Speaker 2: They absolutely could do something like that. 536 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, that's a good team. So the next one 537 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:52,640 is gonna rub up against this a little bit. My 538 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,079 I guess this is my last pick. I have the Hawks. 539 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,440 They have that Pelicans pick. They have this Jonathan kaminga 540 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480 twenty four million dollar free ride. If they want to 541 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:09,279 use it, they, I to me, are a sneaky Giannis suitor. Potentially, 542 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,559 I do think they have. If I'm looking at it right, 543 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,359 They've got like twenty four ish million in cap space, 544 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,680 so I could see them. That Pelicans pick is interesting 545 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,160 because it's probably not gonna be Number one, might be, 546 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,160 but it's a high enough point. 547 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,319 Speaker 2: Where it probably won't be. 548 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably won't be, but but uh, it's high 549 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,880 enough to where that's a real asset. They could put 550 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,839 that on the table with Kaminga and another matching salary, 551 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:35,119 and now you're really like, all right, well that's that's 552 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,480 a honest that's a starting point for your honest package 553 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:38,960 if you you might even be able to keep Jalen 554 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,920 Johnson out of it if you can put all that together. 555 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:45,880 So they're kind of like nets Light in terms of 556 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480 the cap space, the value of that pick, and the 557 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,720 the like cominga versus the MPG salary slot as a 558 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,240 trade piece. But I do think they're obviously like far 559 00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,359 better than Brooklyn, So it wouldn't take the size of 560 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,640 move you would need to make Brooklyn relevant to make 561 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,920 Atlanta more relevant. So I just they'll just they just 562 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,519 feel like a team too. To me, that is kind 563 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,400 of nosing its way into like the Houston tier of 564 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,319 like non coastal glamour markets that keeps getting brought up 565 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,960 in superstar trade possibilities to where it's like, I think 566 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,480 it's time to start thinking of Atlanta as as like 567 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,319 a second tier. They're gonna they're gonna attract somebody big, 568 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,839 whether it's like he's on my they're on my list 569 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,240 of trade demand like acceptable team, right, or they just 570 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,799 have the stuff to go get somebody and the players 571 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:37,319 is a high end guy is good with that because 572 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:39,559 Atlanta's like a pretty good place to be if you 573 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:40,920 can't be in LA or New York. 574 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: They're just tough. And I think I'm scarred because I 575 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:45,880 was so high on. 576 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: Them coming into this season and they just under delivered 577 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,759 yet again that I'm sort of like, what are you 578 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:52,480 doing here? 579 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: If you're really gonna if. 580 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: You trade a high draft pick for who Jannis and 581 00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:00,240 Jalen Johnson? Is that and then you're playing with a 582 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,319 big as well? Is that that the plan there? 583 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't love that. 584 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,839 Speaker 3: Well, then maybe flip it. Do you think they just 585 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,599 come into next season? Will Cominga's coming back? We like 586 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,440 what we have with Johnson and a kong Wu And no, 587 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,599 we'll give you one further. 588 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,079 Speaker 1: What if you just trade Jalen Johnson and build around 589 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,920 Jonathan Kaminga? 590 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:24,559 Speaker 3: If you only play the Wizards, you will have a 591 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,319 dominant team and he'll he'll win MVP. But yeah, I 592 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,240 don't know. You don't like my Hawks pick. I can 593 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:30,559 feel it. 594 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: It's something I don't like it. They were not. 595 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: That's a fascinating because I think it troubles me that 596 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,279 they're a team that would consider trading wherever that Pelicans 597 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:43,279 pick is gonna land because what is the what's the 598 00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:47,160 player you look at? Well? That would because Jannie even 599 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,519 it could have happened one of two ways. Well, okay, 600 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,400 we got Giannis and kept Jalen Johnson. What are we 601 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,279 kind of like? Is Jalen Johnson a three now hour? 602 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:57,759 Are we going without a big or did we just 603 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,119 trade Jalen Johnson to age ourselves up? 604 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,119 Speaker 2: You don't feel great about that? 605 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: And so if it's not Giannis, who is the player 606 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,000 that you want to identify as, Oh, we're happy that 607 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,720 the Hawks made this big splash. 608 00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: Probably John Morant? Do you think. 609 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,079 Speaker 1: I don't think I feel that way about any team. 610 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,839 If that's the question, I don't think any team should 611 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:19,119 be answer. 612 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: Do you think we should have just picked the Grizzlies 613 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,400 because the Joah Morant sweepstakes will be such a hotly 614 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,279 contested affair. 615 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: I think they are bound to drum up more interest 616 00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:30,839 in like a Zach Edie or jalhen Wells if they've 617 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:35,960 become available at this point. Tough times my final pick 618 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400 before we'll each have a dark horse. I thought about 619 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,200 making this team I'm surprised you didn't pick them. 620 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,759 Speaker 2: The Warriors. I thought about making them my dark horse. 621 00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: They have unless you just believe that their content to 622 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,680 spin their wheels for what's left to the Steph Curry era. 623 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,319 They're gonna have five first round picks to trade that 624 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,559 monster Jimmy Butler expiring contract and he's not gonna play 625 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,000 until probably before twenty twenty seven, right coming off ACL injury. 626 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got to be a full year. 627 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,839 Speaker 1: They also could have a Draymond Green on an expiring 628 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,519 says he picking up that twenty eight million dollar player 629 00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:13,000 option or whatever it is, and then if if he doesn't, 630 00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:16,119 or if the Warriors decide, because it's not just I'm 631 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,440 assuming the Warriors will be aggressive and searching for trades, 632 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,119 which they will have. I apparently or Discord called me 633 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,920 out for saying the Warriors Janni's offer was trash. I 634 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,880 don't know that it moved. Like not being able to 635 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,960 send out a blue chip youngster to Milwaukee. I think 636 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,839 should be a deal breaker from Milwaukee. If you're putting 637 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,559 any just combination of five first round picks on the table, 638 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,319 like when you get the equivalent of it, that's a 639 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:36,960 real offer. 640 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,279 Speaker 2: For some one. 641 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,759 Speaker 1: Do the Warriors feel beholden to the Steph Curry wanted 642 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:41,960 to go? 643 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,319 Speaker 3: Do that? 644 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,759 Speaker 1: And if they're not, does Draymond want to be like? 645 00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:49,119 Does is he okay going out like this? Can they 646 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,720 even get value for him? And is Steph okay going 647 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,240 out like this? 648 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:53,519 Speaker 2: I assume that he will be. 649 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: I don't expect other Warriors or trading Steph Curry report 650 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,400 or news break, but I just do they just want 651 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,000 to be in mediocrity then until Steph ages out of 652 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,960 the NBA that feels off to me as well, and 653 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,559 so forced to choose, I think they're gonna commit to 654 00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:13,039 a path, and I'm assuming that path is gonna be 655 00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:16,119 even if it's not the Yannis level type offer. 656 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: We're gonna look back and say, oh. 657 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: The Warriors traded two plus first round picks and did X. 658 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,079 I don't necessarily know what X is, but it's gonna 659 00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:24,440 be something. 660 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,279 Speaker 3: No, that's a good pick, I think. I mean, you've 661 00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:33,480 got you've got the assets to go. I mean, I 662 00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:37,200 guess why I'm kind of like hesitating is they keep 663 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,200 they keep being a team that's involved in high level 664 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,640 trade talks. At least you. 665 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: Remember that commercial I think it was for car insurance 666 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:47,880 where the guy has the fishing pole and there's like 667 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,680 a dollar on it and he's like holding it out 668 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,079 for the people. 669 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:51,839 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm good, You're gonna get you. You're gonna get you. 670 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 3: That's what the Warriors are like in trade though, So 671 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:57,000 you would assume then, you're right that this offseason it's like, 672 00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:00,519 well they we will know that they they've got a 673 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,759 very competitive offer for your honest and it's just okay, 674 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,119 we knew that this time or this last time around. 675 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,440 What's that get you? Yeah, you're right. I think that 676 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,160 just because they're at a point where it's are we 677 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,759 what are we doing with all these picks if we're 678 00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,319 not you know, shopping them basically. So I think that's right. 679 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,400 I'm on board with that. I don't know. I'm just 680 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,279 so the Warriors were just since Steph and Butler have 681 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:25,839 been out, it's just like they're not even on my 682 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,599 radar right now. I'm just not paying attention to them. 683 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:32,799 They slipped my mind. All right, Uh, dark horse time? 684 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, who's your dark horse pick? 685 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 3: So I got a couple. I hope you'll just take 686 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:44,720 the other one. I think the magic based on the 687 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:49,000 way this season is gone, They're gonna have decisions to make, 688 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,759 and I think I think it's very very likely that 689 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,839 Jamal Mosley is gone. The question is how, if if 690 00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,240 it goes beyond that at all, because if it's just that, 691 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,920 which everybody's kind of like that was almost like a 692 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,559 before this season even started, it was like, if this 693 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,519 doesn't go great, like that's the obvious next move, So 694 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,200 that won't be a seismic thing. But we've talked before 695 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,240 about like they're getting very expensive. Some of these extensions 696 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,079 are kicking in. You've got and we mentioned like Anthony Black, 697 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,400 that's a keeper. You're gonna have to start thinking about 698 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,480 what to do with him. But like maybe there's a 699 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:27,559 Jalen Sugs trade, Maybe there's a Fronz trade. Maybe you 700 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,440 joked about a Pollo trade, But like, I don't know, 701 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:35,160 it just seems like there's a potential for post Moseley 702 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:40,240 firing to be something else here. Yeah, I don't know 703 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:42,160 if that's why they're a dark horse, because it's like 704 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,759 it might just be they fire the coach and then 705 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:45,839 go into next season saying we fixed it like that, 706 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,599 we we started, you know, we did the easy thing. 707 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,960 But there could be more. 708 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: And they're not. 709 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,279 Speaker 1: They don't fall into the if you're talking about to say, 710 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,759 the Calves or the Knicks or maybe the Rockets. It's 711 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,599 very much what we need to see. This is predicated 712 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,160 on what happens in the playoffs. The Magic might not 713 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,559 get that opportunity. This is much is gonna be predicated out. Okay, well, 714 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,440 how does the regular season end? Are they even going 715 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,719 to be in the playoffs? So that's what makes them 716 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,039 a more fascinating. So I'm with you on that one. 717 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,440 It's because they don't have picks to trade really after 718 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:15,800 this year. 719 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 2: They could trade some, but I wouldn't advise it. 720 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: You could trade for four or five though, could you? 721 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,519 The market says, could you? That's he's worth You saw it. 722 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: I bet you we get a bunch of pallo for 723 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,639 Giannis hypothetical trade proposals. That's gonna be the trendy top 724 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,599 once his max extension kicks in. That's gonna be sort 725 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,239 of the trendy topic that people are gonna discuss. 726 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 3: I could see. 727 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: I also wonder, not even just the coach stuff, but 728 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,239 the lack of health. Do the Magic sit there and say, 729 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,280 we just don't have the sample size to say this 730 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,559 isn't gonna work. At the same time, Anthony Black is 731 00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,039 going to be extension eligible, so he's not he doesn't 732 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:54,920 get expensive next year. 733 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,119 Speaker 2: But after the season he's had. 734 00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:01,559 Speaker 1: Why would you accept anything less than what Jalen Suggs got, 735 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,440 which was five and one fifty And so that's gonna 736 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,800 have to be in the back of your mind too, 737 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,000 is it. Well, we're not gonna move Fronds or probably 738 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,280 that's too nuclear, but we're gonna move Jalen Suggs. 739 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, who arguably has been more integral to their success 740 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,599 when he's been available than either of those two bigger names. 741 00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:21,559 But just the unavailability is you just can't pay a 742 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:23,760 guy that much that you don't know if he's gonna play. 743 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 2: My dark horse here. 744 00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: I thought about the Bulls just because they're the only 745 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,480 other team that's projected to of cap space, but that 746 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,000 just doesn't seem fun. I'm gonna go with the Charlotte Hornets. 747 00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:34,719 Were they your other team that you wanted me to 748 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,320 pick or no. 749 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 3: I thought you might. I also had Cleveland just because 750 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,719 of the Mitchell extension stuff, and who knows what James 751 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,119 Harden is say. 752 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: They were in the playoff category. For me to where 753 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,519 it feels like we're getting ahead of our skis if 754 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:47,320 we pick them now. 755 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, they're totally dependent on what happens. Yeah, 756 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:51,639 go ahead. 757 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:55,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Hornets because they're so fucking 758 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,760 good as we're we're and it's not as we're forget 759 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,079 that as we record this. For more than a quarter 760 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,119 of the season, they have been basically a top let's say, 761 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,280 top seven offense and defense. There have been stretches where 762 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,239 they're top five in both, but like the defense is, 763 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,039 I don't know how great it is. I don't know 764 00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,239 that I trusted to win a playoff series right now. 765 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,119 Speaker 2: I'd like to see them. 766 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,039 Speaker 1: You might even want them to get better than a 767 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,960 Musa Diabate at the five. I still certainly think the 768 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,519 Miles Bridges minutes or just even t John Salon, like 769 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:24,280 the four spot is low hanging fruit for them, or 770 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,079 even just another perimeter guy with size. If you say, well, 771 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,320 we Brendon Miller could be the form we have Conko Nipple. 772 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,719 Whatever they're they're itching if they finished the season as 773 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,000 they are now st especially if they get into the playoffs, 774 00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,440 they have those Miami and Dallas picks in twenty seven. 775 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,400 They have an extra first round pick in twenty twenty 776 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,760 nine as well. They have all their own first round picks. 777 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,480 They have some I think if you're making a move, 778 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:51,360 you don't want to touch the Canipple Miller LaMelo Ball trio, 779 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,280 but you have enough matching salary elsewhere, none of which 780 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,119 is toxic financially. It's no deal that you're looking at 781 00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:03,039 and say, oh, no, no, no, there's no Jeremy Grant contractor 782 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,119 Karl Anthony Towns type deal on the books. What if 783 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:10,159 they just decide that, yeah, like we're gonna go for Giannis. 784 00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:12,599 What if they're the team that's if Yanna said he 785 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,920 wants to go to the East Coast because it's apparently 786 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,159 a closer flight to Greece, and he wants to be 787 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,440 with a guard who's not ball dominant. Now, LaMelo Ball 788 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,440 is pretty ball dominant, but he doesn't need to be. 789 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,320 He takes more catches you threes this year, but it 790 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,039 doesn't have to be honest. What if they're the Trey 791 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:30,519 Murphy team. What if they decide to go after two 792 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,920 doubles and it's, oh, like, we're the lou Dort team 793 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,519 and we like we trained for Isaya Hart side of 794 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,239 loud Dort from the Thunder or something. So this team, 795 00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:41,239 I think that you could have made the case they 796 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,559 were gonna be looking to get good after this year, 797 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,639 regardless the fact that they've been able to be this 798 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,719 good for such an extended period of time. Add some 799 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,400 I would say pleasant variants to what they might do 800 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,320 over the offseason. There is any big name that's in 801 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,880 the front court, I honestly, short of it being a 802 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,920 small ball dominant guard, is there someone that can ambal 803 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719 onto the trademarket of note that you would say that 804 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,679 they don't make any sense in Charlotte. That's also the 805 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,599 type of malleability this corps provides them with. 806 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 2: Two. 807 00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 3: The thing I am now obsessed with because I just 808 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,719 was looking at the cap sheet ten seconds ago, is like, 809 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,480 could you use your picks to clear the salaries of Bridges, 810 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,760 Green and Williams, which is like fifty ish fifty plus 811 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,760 closer to fifty two, I guess. And then you get 812 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,280 in the restricted free agent offer sheet game and it's like, 813 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,679 it doesn't have to be Durham because that would take 814 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,400 almost all of it. But it's like, what if this 815 00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:46,000 is just you make an offer to Tari Easton that 816 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,199 the Rockets can't match it. Now Tari Easton is in 817 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,920 there at the four, and you still have Dyubat at 818 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,960 the five, or you just they to some of the 819 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,239 restricted free agents are really tantalizing, and maybe the way 820 00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:01,760 there's a lot right like that you could. I mean, 821 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,360 you still have you Kobe White that you're gonna need 822 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,800 to pay it to bring back. I do think he. 823 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,440 I mean, he's kind of a luxury, but I'm interested 824 00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:13,159 in continuing that relationship if I'm the Hornets just because 825 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,280 you don't. Your bench offense is awesome now too, but 826 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:20,280 it would take a lot of like precursor moves. But 827 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,079 to get in the restricted cap space free agency game 828 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,599 would be because there's just such a handful of guys 829 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:27,559 that make a lot of sense. It'd be really exciting 830 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:29,559 for them. And then like, even if you're trading your 831 00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,079 own picks, who cares because you're awesome and you can 832 00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,679 just go now and you're gonna be conveying the twenty 833 00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:38,880 fourth pick in the draft a couple of times or whatever? 834 00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: Do you think would they be? Let's just say I'm 835 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,400 assuming maybe if Milwaukee was acquiring this player while giving 836 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,719 up Yiannis. They want to keep him, but what if 837 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,280 he's extension eligible? So maybe if they're thinking about the 838 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,039 next duration of their team, it's do they want to 839 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,440 pay him Aman Thompson if they latch on to just 840 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,000 sort of like if he gets sent out in a 841 00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:59,880 g honest deal. If that's the I don't think Houston 842 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,760 wants to give up and Thompson I don't, so I 843 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,800 bet against it. But that would be do they just 844 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,559 come in and throw more picks the bucks his way 845 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,880 and you swoop in and come get like imagine him 846 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,000 on this team? 847 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,679 Speaker 3: I mean, because then he's your four, right, and that's 848 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,159 a more sensible role I think for him. 849 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, they that's a good just even like just throw 850 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,280 like a lower level but still really good name out there. 851 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,119 Speaker 2: What do the Hawks want to do with a Kung Wu? 852 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: Like? 853 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 2: Could you get him? 854 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 3: A lot of interesting What's interesting here is we've praised 855 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,800 the Hornets and and for behavior that has gotten them 856 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,400 to this point, which is like they've been very measured. 857 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,079 They've they've just picked up little incremental wins. They've been 858 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:41,719 opportunistic in going and getting someone like White, and they 859 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,400 were opportunists to go get Sexton before, which allowed them 860 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,360 to go get what then to then say time to 861 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,320 swing like that would be just character. But like the 862 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,239 timing feels right. 863 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,639 Speaker 1: And the other thing too is could they have their 864 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,800 darn Fox moment with san Antonio to where it's, oh, 865 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:00,920 they got that guy. 866 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,119 Speaker 2: But the price was just reasonable. 867 00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,679 Speaker 1: It's not we gave up four first round picks for 868 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,440 Desmond Bane. 869 00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 2: It's we gave up. 870 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,199 Speaker 1: More so like the Utah deal, didn't feel like they 871 00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:12,519 did anything outlandish, even though they gave up three first 872 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:16,960 round picks and Taylor Hendrix and Walter McNeely to get 873 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,400 to Jared Jackson. Your excuse me playing Tome, who, by 874 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,960 the way, would have been a fun ortage trade to 875 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,320 that's what you said earlier. 876 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 3: Stands like they have their one, two and three set 877 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,960 and so just four and five is easy because any 878 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,679 player type is going to make sense as long as 879 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,639 you're a credible defender. So just the the like the 880 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,199 runway is clear, just this. The problem is they're over 881 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,480 the cap like right now. It's just it would have 882 00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:46,239 to be a big trade, it can't. 883 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: You know, can you get Peyton Watson from Dent because 884 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,079 Denver will match the mid level exception, like the fifteen. 885 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,159 Speaker 3: Million a year. If Denver doesn't match the mid level exception, 886 00:41:56,519 --> 00:42:00,519 some investigations need to happen. That's yeah, that I wish 887 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,639 they had cap space and they could get it. They 888 00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:05,280 would just cost them those picks trading these guys away. 889 00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: I will say, you, you need to know you're getting those. 890 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,000 I can't do it to get go after a restricted 891 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,440 free agent because I need to know. 892 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 3: That, right, because then what you're doing then is clearing 893 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,760 the decks to just and then phase two of that 894 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,320 plan is we're definitely overpaying for this restricted guy because 895 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,760 we can't risk a match having done all this stuff 896 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,239 leading up to it. So, yeah, that's that's my pie 897 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,679 in the sky plane. It's not going to happen. I 898 00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:30,360 wish they'd do it. 899 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: Here's the better pie in the sky plane. They don't 900 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,679 even need to get him. I just want the Hornets 901 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,480 to make Jannis's list of preferred trade destinations. 902 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,079 Speaker 2: I need some. I want to. 903 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 3: Just yeah, I would. 904 00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: I just want to play to identify an up and 905 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,360 coming team and say, you know what I want. I 906 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,599 want to be the He'll be the focal point now 907 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,440 for the most part. But then they're like built to 908 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,199 just let him age gracefully. 909 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 3: You would think Yannis puts them on the list. Steph 910 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,679 sees it, says, you know what, like in my career 911 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,039 back home, Joannis and Steph come in and that's just 912 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:05,920 the rest they become. 913 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 1: They've become the twenty whatever Brooklyn nets was that the 914 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,639 twenty eight team Brooklyn. That's when they blew up there 915 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:15,039 promising like team that they that's weren't nearly as plucky 916 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:18,480 as the sideration of the Hornets, but they're I think 917 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,559 there's a chance that their off season isn't compelling, which 918 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,719 is just because that's how they've operated over the past 919 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,960 few years. I do expect them to do even on 920 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,599 a not this player specifically, but on a Peyton Watson 921 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:31,199 level move. 922 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,559 Speaker 2: I think they'll do something like that. 923 00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 3: I hope. So, I mean, just it's sitting right the 924 00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:39,440 room for you guys upgrade the listen. Sorry, but this 925 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,519 is gonna be the first in a series of episodes 926 00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,280 where we find a way to shoehorn the Hornets in 927 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,239 and have a ten minute conversation about them, because this 928 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,960 is the most fun young team that's emerged in I mean, like, 929 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,199 I don't even know what the list is in a 930 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:50,719 long time. 931 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 2: I just I would love to fast bottom. 932 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: Don't necessarily need to fast for over, but if they 933 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,719 for some reason make the playoffs and give let's say 934 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,480 the Pistons or the Celtics or the Nicks hell in 935 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:03,760 a first round series, the number of inflammatory things that 936 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,360 I'm going to demand that they do over the off 937 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,360 season is going to be out of control. 938 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 3: You could take your huge victory lap too on the 939 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,079 LaMelo of it all, because well, I mean, maybe they 940 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,840 need to do that playoff noise thing to really just 941 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,599 give his full w This is the still. 942 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,159 Speaker 1: Let's hope he stays healthy for the rest of this season, 943 00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:25,280 and then he needs to continue being on the court, 944 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,280 and this needs like another season of I was before 945 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920 I take my victory lap. Okay, all right, I gotta 946 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,960 build up my stamina to get to that amount of 947 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,239 cardio that I'm prepared this time. 948 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,199 Speaker 3: Next year, I will force the victory lap out of you. 949 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 1: Anything elish Hornets or a third in the Eastern Conference 950 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,280 or something flirting with fifty victories. Johannis and Labello would 951 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,880 formed one of the best one one two him can nipple. 952 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 3: Dreams, I don't know. 953 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 2: Anything else those I think those were good dark Horse tyears. 954 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 3: I mean, Charlotte Shure was put my Orlando pick the same. 955 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,920 Thanks everybody for watching, for listening, rate, review, and subscribe 956 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,679 to your friends till your enemy. Let us know if 957 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,440 we missed anybody. There's thirty teams. We only talked about 958 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,199 like eight of them, so I'm sure there's an actual 959 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,039 other dark horse, big offseason mover and shaker that is 960 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,199 worth discussing, and you can do that in our discord 961 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,840 as well. 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