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Speaker 1: all pumped up ready to go last week, all sorts
Speaker 1: of crazy stories and in fact, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a nuisance. But if I could Chuck. Are you
Speaker 1: there if you're hearing me now? And if you're there
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Speaker 2: Man? Oh yeah, I'm here. Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't want to bug you, but I I have
Speaker 1: to ask because I know you went through all sorts
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff last week. Yeah, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: We're not gonna get into that right now, but I
Speaker 1: will ask, did you did you catch the story that
Speaker 1: broke last week about Tenant media and all that? You
Speaker 1: caught that? Right?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, uh, of course I did. And I'm laughing
Speaker 2: because you know somebody that Mike if you ever met
Speaker 2: him or talked to him, remind you of me, has
Speaker 2: said a lot of times that there are these instances
Speaker 2: where because people say, oh, you know, that whole Russian
Speaker 2: thing's over and blown, and I'm like, yeah, but I
Speaker 2: know factually that there are people that we're getting Russian
Speaker 2: money at certain points. Now I'm not saying I know
Speaker 2: why or exactly what the source was at the begin
Speaker 2: of the trade, you know, at the beginning of the
Speaker 2: circumstance or anything else, but there are people who have
Speaker 2: popped up with Now on the back end of it,
Speaker 2: I find out there's Russian money. Okay, but on the
Speaker 2: front end of it, you see a guy who's suddenly
Speaker 2: successful as a content creator, okay, and then you see
Speaker 2: a guy who comes out of nowhere and gets into
Speaker 2: a group of successful content creators, and you'll see that
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the corporate media is willing to
Speaker 2: talk to a guy who two months ago was a
Speaker 2: podcaster and doing it badly. And then you'll see other
Speaker 2: people who have other professions and their profession is slumping
Speaker 2: a bit for one reason or another, and suddenly they
Speaker 2: have a well funded network media network that they're building
Speaker 2: off of other sub networks, much like we used to do.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you've taken a note, but
Speaker 2: the days of the collaborative, all team alternative media network
Speaker 2: are gone now too, right, because who's doing that? I mean,
Speaker 2: what do you call it? Uh? Oh man, the one
Speaker 2: that Statmueler ran. There, My goodness, it's red, white and
Speaker 2: blue all over and it is trump Bill. At this point, RBN.
Speaker 1: Are you talking? Are you talking about the one that's
Speaker 1: named after the quickly tragedy and Hope, No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, not that one. RBN Republican.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about the alternative radio networks themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying that those kind of things. Now, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that they're getting rushing money or nothing like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that
Speaker 2: RBN is an example of something that used to exist
Speaker 2: in this ecosphere of cooperative radio networks that kind of
Speaker 2: got divided into we're patriot media. And that's before the
Speaker 2: age of Trump. Okay, the patriot media over here, and
Speaker 2: then there was the you know, more off the wall
Speaker 2: alternative media, and then there was the Alex Jones universe,
Speaker 2: thus becoming the GCN universe. Right, But there were small
Speaker 2: and many, many small networks that would cooperate with one another,
Speaker 2: that would hold events together, that would share and even
Speaker 2: simulcast hosts, all kinds of stuff like that, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: And there was this cooperative effort and it literally created
Speaker 2: a whole universe of this online mixed with terrestrial radio.
Speaker 2: The micro Effect Network. I don't know if you remember them,
Speaker 2: I no, I don't. Micro Effect Network was all about
Speaker 2: terrestrial radio, very small radio stations that were either just
Speaker 2: barely legal or a few years ago they passed something
Speaker 2: I talked to you about, the the small transmitters, right, Well,
Speaker 2: the micro effect had those too, and they had them
Speaker 2: all over the country micro effects, so they had an
Speaker 2: FM presence that was, you know, in a very fringe
Speaker 2: place like it was all along where they stick college
Speaker 2: radio stations on the band, so all in that lower
Speaker 2: band that some people would buy radios and it didn't
Speaker 2: even tune that low, you know, stuff like that, right,
Speaker 2: And that micro effect network was again another example of
Speaker 2: this cobbled together sort of like we're not you know,
Speaker 2: we don't have the money to buy a fifty thousand
Speaker 2: watt station, you know, in every city going up a coast,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So so are all of those are you saying? Check
Speaker 1: that all those smaller networks have basically gone away, and
Speaker 1: now it's these Russian fronts primarily that have taken their place.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: The majority of the broadcast ones that actually had a
Speaker 2: terrestrial radio presence were also helped out by independent radio stations.
Speaker 2: So simultaneously, what's happened here is that clear channel and
Speaker 2: this is a weird radio business thing, and people are going,
Speaker 2: why do I want to hear about the radio business?
Speaker 2: Hold on, you're going to find out, you know, not
Speaker 2: only are are they taking up, you know, Clear Channel,
Speaker 2: and and iHeartRadio now owns every damn station, right, You
Speaker 2: go through just a couple of these groups, and that's
Speaker 2: how I got knocked out of terrestrial radio in one shot,
Speaker 2: where I had the you know, fifteen sixteen eighteen affiliates
Speaker 2: and anyway, all those disappeared in one shot because they
Speaker 2: were swept up and sold into a deal that I'm
Speaker 2: very sure ended up with iHeartRadio. If not them, it
Speaker 2: was Clear Channel. Because people are actually out there doing
Speaker 2: jobs where they're collecting up these small broadcasters and packaging
Speaker 2: them together and getting money from the bigger companies, you know,
Speaker 2: putting all these licenses together and putting them under a
Speaker 2: singular ownership. All right. Anyways, so that's been going on.
Speaker 2: So terrestrial radio got turned into this corporate wasteland where
Speaker 2: you know that that that's that the alternative media networks,
Speaker 2: you know, with all the turning against one another, the
Speaker 2: difficulties with either you're a patriot or you're not. And
Speaker 2: then right on time, that stuff was still breathing healthy
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, Eric, think back in twenty.
Speaker 1: Fifteen, Yeah, that stuff was, Yeah, this stuff was definite. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen to think about why that's an important year.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're saying. And this is what
Speaker 1: I've been trying to tell people too, that in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen there was a decided change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something happened, right, and that's something happened where all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, AJ got on the air
Speaker 2: and said this is our man. And there went a
Speaker 2: whole continue of the we're not in on the you know,
Speaker 2: we're we're against the two party system monopoly out there,
Speaker 2: but the right wingers are okay, but we're against the
Speaker 2: two party system, but the right wingers are okay. They
Speaker 2: did that, and of course he was selling you your
Speaker 2: fear porn and you're, you know, patriot, patriot, get it
Speaker 2: up pills whatever, all right, and and keemptrail busters okay,
Speaker 2: so you know, and Mike Adams was too embarrassed to
Speaker 2: even continue with it. I'm to take my health range
Speaker 2: of stuff and go here. And he did his own
Speaker 2: network anyway. And that's the thing is all of that
Speaker 2: was nice and healthy and great, and then the divide came.
Speaker 2: Now you're either on the Trump train or you're not. Yes,
Speaker 2: And I was personally offered money to get involved in
Speaker 2: certain things that the implications were, you want a traveling studio,
Speaker 2: because I had an idea that I wanted a traveling
Speaker 2: studio that I would live in a camper basically, okay,
Speaker 2: and have my all my stuff and be able to
Speaker 2: broadcast in a small area and run my radio show
Speaker 2: off of that, and I could go to different locations
Speaker 2: around the country stay temporarily.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This was also during a time when Kim and I
Speaker 2: were actually split up for a little bit and I
Speaker 2: was going to go it on my own if I
Speaker 2: could figure it out, if she, you know, we couldn't
Speaker 2: work it out, but if she could work it out,
Speaker 2: me and Frankie and you let's go. But either way,
Speaker 2: I had that idea, and I was offered that I
Speaker 2: could have that if I wanted with you know, brand
Speaker 2: new computers, you know, internet setup, so I've got a satellite,
Speaker 2: you know, direct straight from my RV. Okay, this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, I can have it. One thing, though, is
Speaker 2: I got to get involved in these projects where we're
Speaker 2: going to make positive videos about certain people and stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know, coincidentally, when that whole you know, bird
Speaker 2: refuge thing went on and there was that whole patriot
Speaker 2: media thing that went on, and you know they took over.
Speaker 2: You remember this in organ?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the Bundy Ranch thing?
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the second one. I covered the first
Speaker 2: one as it was happening with a friend who was
Speaker 2: on the ground there named Vince easily okay. But the
Speaker 2: second one, I was desperately trying to tell a man
Speaker 2: who apparently passed away some a few weeks ago, Jason Patrick.
Speaker 2: I was trying to warn him and some others that
Speaker 2: were involved in that group that first of all, you
Speaker 2: have a wolf in sheep's clothing among you, as far
Speaker 2: as your media connection that you have there, and that
Speaker 2: you guys are going to wind up getting screwed here.
Speaker 2: Certain people are going to be able to walk away
Speaker 2: without getting charged, but some of you are going to
Speaker 2: pay the price. And I have no need to discuss
Speaker 2: the record any further than that I was correct. Let's
Speaker 2: just say I could predict things at that point. But
Speaker 2: you know, during that time, there were some guys who
Speaker 2: showed up with guess what, the same kind of idea
Speaker 2: the RV, where all of a sudden they had brand
Speaker 2: new Apple laptops, they had an RV, they had enough
Speaker 2: money to pay staff yes, And some of these guys
Speaker 2: were on the same radio stations I was on and
Speaker 2: trying to do it as a living like I was doing,
Speaker 2: and they had nothing more or less than me. But
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they did have the money to travel,
Speaker 2: They did have the money for that new RV. They
Speaker 2: had brand new Apple computers, they had brand new professional cameras,
Speaker 2: they had equipment to be able to place it on
Speaker 2: people so they could hide it. They had body cams
Speaker 2: Okay in twenty fifteen, mind you, so that cheaper. And
Speaker 2: we're not talking about a couple of cunky GoPros anyway.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is but there were influxes of money
Speaker 2: that went to certain places, and some people knew what
Speaker 2: was going on, I think, and some people didn't know
Speaker 2: what was going on. But within eighteen months of the
Speaker 2: first emergence of this stuff in twenty fifteen, by the
Speaker 2: time we get to twenty seventeen, because you know, subtract, okay,
Speaker 2: part of twenty fifteen is gone, so you got to
Speaker 2: use up part of twenty fifteen. You got to use
Speaker 2: up part of twenty seventeen and use up the whole
Speaker 2: year at twenty sixteen. Once you get through all that,
Speaker 2: notice the entirely different landscape. Certain people showed up with
Speaker 2: a lot of money, Some people had to sit in
Speaker 2: jail for a while. Some people walked away even though
Speaker 2: they had a gun charge in Michigan and still were
Speaker 2: able to go to Oregon. Some people walked away from
Speaker 2: that as well, and some people didn't. I'm not even
Speaker 2: going to discuss what happened to Jason Patrick on this
Speaker 2: on this air because it's not my right to and
Speaker 2: I don't have all the facts straight. But he died,
Speaker 2: and he was the same age as man anyway, he
Speaker 2: was from Georgia and we had mutual friends, and I'll
Speaker 2: leave it there. But I was on the air with
Speaker 2: Clyde Lewis on Ground zero Radio the night Jason Patrick
Speaker 2: was taken into custody by the FBI. We were waiting
Speaker 2: to put him on the air to let the country
Speaker 2: know what was going on firsthand, and that's when the
Speaker 2: FBI took him into custody. And if you ever find
Speaker 2: the archive tape, Clyde Lewis doesn't know what to do
Speaker 2: with himself. He said, I've never had this happen before,
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, but our guests that we were waiting
Speaker 2: for and I was on the air with daniel Lewis
Speaker 2: Crumpton waiting for Patrick to arrive. We were there to
Speaker 2: help him go through the media thing. And ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: our guest has been taken into custody by the FBI.
Speaker 2: That happened live. Anyway, My point is that there was
Speaker 2: a and that all comes into play with Roger Stone
Speaker 2: examining my media and stuff like that and painting in
Speaker 2: the yash.
Speaker 1: Yes, guys like Stone have I clearly have access to
Speaker 1: deep knowledge bases, archives of what's going on in this world.
Speaker 1: They've When you realize that there's just so much going
Speaker 1: on there and nobody, it blows my mind that he's
Speaker 1: able to get away with what he does and everybody's
Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, he's that funny guy that was
Speaker 1: Nixon speech writer, and blah blah blah. Nobody ever asked
Speaker 1: the hard questions about him, and he's a.
Speaker 2: Dirty guy and this and that, and he was part
Speaker 2: of the Young Republican this or that, but he was
Speaker 2: also involved in various smear campaigns. He got behind other
Speaker 2: campaigns in order to torpedo certain mainstream candidates with off
Speaker 2: you know, outside of the norm candidates like imagine he's
Speaker 2: a guy helping strategy with the libertarian whether he believes
Speaker 2: in libertarianism or not, or he's helping the Green Party. Anyway,
Speaker 2: all of that stuff went down, And my point is this, Aaron,
Speaker 2: and I'll shut up about it. If you look at
Speaker 2: that landscape that you and I both know in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: I'm certain of it, and that's when my show really
Speaker 2: started to move. That's when I was live all the time.
Speaker 2: I started in twenty thirteen, but that's when I was
Speaker 2: live all the time. And I think you had been
Speaker 2: around a couple of years already doing radio. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know that if you blinked your eye and remove
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen from the equation, you would have thought you
Speaker 2: were in a totally different world. From twenty fourteen to
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, there was a concerted effort to atomize the
Speaker 2: conspiracy culture. You notice all those nine to eleven groups
Speaker 2: are effectively gone pretty much, except you know, Architexan engineers exist.
Speaker 2: You notice that most of those groups had infighting and
Speaker 2: all kinds of destructive stuff going on. Get on or
Speaker 2: get in the Trump train or get lost. That all
Speaker 2: came together like what a perfect accidental storm, and Russian
Speaker 2: money floated around, and people like me were called, you know,
Speaker 2: liars and gatekeepers for the Democrats because we just want
Speaker 2: to push the Russian hoax. But there was Russian money there.
Speaker 2: Not saying that I know everywhere we're at win or anything,
Speaker 2: but I do know of a couple of people that
Speaker 2: actually took it. So I'm going to leave it alone.
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you that there was an effort to
Speaker 2: stop the alternative media thing that was happening in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: that had been building itself up since the early two thousands.
Speaker 2: And of course they had to take out Alex Jones
Speaker 2: one way or another, whether he was illegitimate to begin
Speaker 2: with or not, he had to go. He had to
Speaker 2: be part of it. He had to get sucked into
Speaker 2: the right column of the equation. And the truth is
Speaker 2: we were beating the legacy media. They had ratings problems,
Speaker 2: they had revenue problems. They couldn't keep things going because
Speaker 2: we were doing enough work and we were getting out
Speaker 2: stories they couldn't get to. We were giving information they
Speaker 2: wouldn't touch, and they were literally losing death by a
Speaker 2: thousand cuts, if you want, by a thousand paper cuts
Speaker 2: if you want, because we weren't. It's not like I
Speaker 2: was beating CNN, but a thousand of me were pounding
Speaker 2: on CNN and taking their audience. And the switch was flipped,
Speaker 2: wasn't it? As soon as the twenty four cycle becomes
Speaker 2: all about the Apprentice twenty four to seven, it was done.
Speaker 2: And what happened to that alternative media that had all
Speaker 2: these interlocking we're gonna be you know, unified, We're gonna
Speaker 2: work together, we all believe in truth. All smashed to pieces,
Speaker 2: the infrastructure smashed to pieces, all of those networks put down,
Speaker 2: put out of business one way or another.
Speaker 1: And it was also gobbled up. It was usurped and
Speaker 1: just transformed into the MAGA platform.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It just became That's all it became. It became like
Speaker 1: a wing of their New Republican Party. Well it was, it.
Speaker 2: Was a wing of the New Republican Party. Then it
Speaker 2: was then it was, you know, this thing on the
Speaker 2: outskirts that we have to accept because it crosses over
Speaker 2: into us. Now it is the Republican Party. And you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying the Democrats, don't you know you
Speaker 2: want counterbalance for me, I'll give it to you. I
Speaker 2: don't care. It's not the point. The point is that
Speaker 2: there was If this was not a planned action to
Speaker 2: adamize what was happening where the legacy media was losing readers,
Speaker 2: losing subscribers, losing, they wouldn't have dreamed of trying to
Speaker 2: charge you, you know, five bucks a month to go
Speaker 2: read a newspaper like they do now. Oh sorry, you
Speaker 2: already read an article. If you want any more, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to start paying us newspapers online. Right. They
Speaker 2: wouldn't have dreamed of doing that those years ago, because,
Speaker 2: as I said, they're ratings were falling. All of them
Speaker 2: were falling except Fox News. Fox News was pretty solid,
Speaker 2: but they had a solid, steady base. Everybody else was
Speaker 2: getting sucked down the dream where they belonged. And so.
Speaker 1: The alternative media, it's what it was, was scrapped in
Speaker 1: favor of transforming it into just a platform to promote
Speaker 1: one guy, essentially, Donald Trump, who is He's just a figurehead.
Speaker 1: He always has been and he even more so today.
Speaker 1: Is that the fact than ever? But he's just this figurehead.
Speaker 1: But that's the the way.
Speaker 2: They would do it. That's not the way they did it.
Speaker 2: They did it as Look, he's an outsider, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: but we agree with his policies. He's going to do
Speaker 2: the right thing. And don't worry, he's going to do this.
Speaker 2: He's going to do that. Don't worry about it on
Speaker 2: the fringe. He's going to address it all. Okay, So
Speaker 2: he didn't do it all, but he's on his way
Speaker 2: and he's.
Speaker 1: A good part of this. Slowly, that's acuelion thing. Just
Speaker 1: trust the plan. It's all gonna happen like all this.
Speaker 1: You just dump every conspiracy idea you've ever heard in
Speaker 1: your life into this online forum and say, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is part of the plan. And uh, you know, you
Speaker 1: just had to trust it and just wait. It's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Just keep waiting. They're still waiting today.
Speaker 2: But look at how brilliant it was. You took the outsider.
Speaker 2: You slowly pushed him in. You're still calling him an outsider,
Speaker 2: and you pushed all of these other people out, and
Speaker 2: you gave back the power to every corporate legacy media outlet.
Speaker 2: They got it all back in spades. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, like you said, all the all the all
Speaker 1: the networks are just being swallowed up by the bigger corporations.
Speaker 1: Everything's being everything's a conglomeration now and everybody's like buying
Speaker 1: up everything the big companies are. So that's happening in
Speaker 1: the media world now, and.
Speaker 2: Headline news disappears in order so that now your satellite
Speaker 2: you know, and it doesn't do headline news anymore, does documentaries.
Speaker 2: And that way your satellite network can have Newsmax as
Speaker 2: a TV channel. That's where we're at news Max's.
Speaker 1: It's it's just crazy that what was the alternative media
Speaker 1: got sucked up by this thing became mainstream. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, is has always been and is still
Speaker 1: now a conduit of foreign influence. Russia definitely uses it
Speaker 1: as their channel to propagate their message to us, the
Speaker 1: American people unwittingly, so they're doing psychological operations on us
Speaker 1: through these stupid things. So so like it's it's almost
Speaker 1: like everybody's getting what they want out of this, but
Speaker 1: it's it's to such a point that well it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Like oh, okay, let me, I just have to drop
Speaker 2: this last point, and then I want to I want
Speaker 2: to shut up. I want you to go through it. Man,
Speaker 2: you still got more than a half your hour, please
Speaker 2: here's the thing, and I want you to think about
Speaker 2: this carefully. You have sat here with me when we've
Speaker 2: talked to guests together off air, it's your your guest
Speaker 2: or whatever, right, and I start telling them about you know,
Speaker 2: it's amazing to me how RT came into play. I
Speaker 2: know you've heard me have this conversation with third parties
Speaker 2: and I say to them, you know, it's amazing because
Speaker 2: all these alt media outlets started going to RT, and
Speaker 2: Abby Martin was on RT, and look, they got Lee
Speaker 2: Camp on RT, and they created this thing with RT
Speaker 2: in the English speaking station, and that was on all
Speaker 2: your satellite distribute I don't know if it is today,
Speaker 2: but it was on all your satellite distributor. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of cable companies were starting to carry RT in
Speaker 2: dead channel spots. All of a sudden, It's Russian is
Speaker 2: stay TV and they were carrying it. And why the
Speaker 2: all media people were saying, but they're telling more of
Speaker 2: the truth on there than they are on our media.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they were wrong, but it also gave
Speaker 2: rise to the whole Look, Michelle Obama's a man. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Barack Obama is gay, and you know what
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin's a manly man of good values, you know,
Speaker 2: and that came and where did it come from?
Speaker 1: RT?
Speaker 2: RT is a good source. I literally would listen to
Speaker 2: all media networks and difference hosts different shows. They almost
Speaker 2: all to a t in twenty between twenty thirteen and
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, RT was part of their newscast one way
Speaker 2: or another, and they loved and reveled in the people
Speaker 2: that were on there. And then they started taking all
Speaker 2: media people and bringing them on to RT. As we
Speaker 2: have it. We have an American expert on this. We
Speaker 2: have an American expert on that. And I'm not blaming
Speaker 2: people who went on there and sputnicking everything else. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that now they had TV coverage, they were
Speaker 2: getting legitimacy from the fact that they were on a
Speaker 2: mainstream TV But everybody forgot that mainstream TV channel is
Speaker 2: still Russian state owned media and this is the way
Speaker 2: it ran. So they started sucking us up from within
Speaker 2: and without and took everybody in and they're telling more truth.
Speaker 2: And look, they're willing to expose the lives of the
Speaker 2: American government. No kidding, you know, Oh, look, you can't
Speaker 2: say it's all right. Way, here's Tom Hartman's on there.
Speaker 2: Tom Hartman's a liberal, Yeah, Tom Hartin is Lee Camp.
Speaker 2: Lee Camp's not really a conservative, no, but Lee Camp
Speaker 2: is a disgruntled American sounding person, a disgruntled Western or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I had Lee Camp on my show and even
Speaker 2: confronted him with this, don't you think that? You know?
Speaker 2: You you appear useful to Russian state owned media. They
Speaker 2: don't control anything I say. I said, look, man, I
Speaker 2: didn't say you they controlled anything you said. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying that you happen to be saying things that are
Speaker 2: useful to them in a propaganda sense, don't you think?
Speaker 2: And he was pissed and he got mad, and I said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say that you're a tool, you know,
Speaker 2: because I had him on specifically to say, I don't
Speaker 2: believe for a second that Lee can't believes he's a
Speaker 2: tool or acts it's thinking to himself, I'm a tool
Speaker 2: of the Russian government. I'm all for them. He's not
Speaker 2: doing that on purpose, but he's doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, isn't that exactly how it works?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: That's how that's how these influence operations work. You use
Speaker 1: it by finding people that are useful to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple punts and you just pop them up.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it is. It is specifically a KGB textbook
Speaker 2: operation to do exactly that. And like I said, Lee Camp,
Speaker 2: I thought he was great and everything. And then of course,
Speaker 2: when you know, when the trouble started between US and Russia,
Speaker 2: they you know, basically shut down RT because they were
Speaker 2: get kicked off of No, the same thing as what
Speaker 2: happened Alex Jones. Right, yeah, we're kicking them off of YouTube.
Speaker 2: We're not going to allow them to do this. Uh uh.
Speaker 2: They're batting us because we're speaking the truth. The globalists
Speaker 2: were defeated because Trump came in. I always repeat that
Speaker 2: line because I'll never forget the day after the election
Speaker 2: that the Jones repeated that line fifty times on a show,
Speaker 2: The Global superdefeated. Ladies and gentlemen, the global Super defeated.
Speaker 2: Now they're not so defeated anyway. The point is, though
Speaker 2: still in it stands, is that that's the way it went.
Speaker 2: I'm not anti Russian. I am not sitting here trying
Speaker 2: to attack them as people or anything else. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: open your eyes. And even I was fired from a
Speaker 2: station recently because why I wouldn't take the pro Russian stance.
Speaker 1: I was now chuck. This this is where your story
Speaker 1: gets fascinating because and I want I want to like
Speaker 1: spend some time on this because a lot of the.
Speaker 2: I don't read to take up your whole show, Aaron,
Speaker 2: I want you to know.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no. But this, this is
Speaker 1: I feel like this is like the key that people
Speaker 1: really had ought to hear because with the tenant media
Speaker 1: story that broke last week and the talent like Timpoole
Speaker 1: and Lauren Southern and those other goofballs, what they're doing
Speaker 1: now is that they're claiming ignorance, like, oh, we didn't
Speaker 1: know up that being Timpoole and all the ones that
Speaker 1: were on this, they're like, we never knew we we
Speaker 1: maintained editorial control of our content at all times. That
Speaker 1: they're all saying the exact same thing that you know there.
Speaker 1: It's it's a legal thing where they're you know, they're
Speaker 1: sitting there with the DJ.
Speaker 2: And that's the same thing. By the way, that is
Speaker 2: the same thing that these people who were American media,
Speaker 2: American comedians. Again, Lee Camp equals timpoole. Okay, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but this is the same thing that they said about
Speaker 2: working on our t all right, which is they never
Speaker 2: give me any editorial. They don't control what I say.
Speaker 2: Exactly the same argument. When I would say, but don't
Speaker 2: you think whether it's just coincidence, Fine, okay, nobody's giving
Speaker 2: you a script, but don't you think you're useful in
Speaker 2: this way? They didn't even want that question answered, which
Speaker 2: is why. And then the last time that Lee Camp
Speaker 2: was on, he was friendly with me for a little bit.
Speaker 2: He had been on a few times. He wouldn't come
Speaker 2: back after this because I said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: not playing here anymore. I am not saying that you
Speaker 2: decided to go and be a Russian agent or something.
Speaker 2: What I am saying is that what you're doing is
Speaker 2: useful to Vladimir Putin, whether you want to admit it
Speaker 2: or not. And that's why you're allowed to stay there,
Speaker 2: not because you know. And jeez, I almost said to him,
Speaker 2: I'm not because you're funny, but you know, and because
Speaker 2: I did think Lee Camp was pretty funny at one point,
Speaker 2: but he started getting into angry rants at all.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's a way that this stuff tends to go
Speaker 1: because thematically, one of the things involved in this home
Speaker 1: mess is the culture war and all of the right
Speaker 1: wing tropes that we should all be completely familiar with
Speaker 1: by now, they feed right into this propaganda stream that, yes,
Speaker 1: Russia wants to promote. The culture war clearly is a
Speaker 1: huge thing that they're pushing on.
Speaker 2: I've had listeners write to me that how dare I
Speaker 2: challenge the Russian mission basically, and not just Ukraine, but
Speaker 2: how dare I challenge you know, they actually in Russia.
Speaker 2: This is what these guys would say. They in Russia
Speaker 2: have you know, what used to be good American values.
Speaker 2: They are against the diseased and terrible things that you
Speaker 2: should be against. Morally, it's a good it's like, it's
Speaker 2: a good, clean Christian nation pretty much Russian and Vladimir
Speaker 2: Putin is on the right side of things. And wouldn't
Speaker 2: you agree that he is. You know, look, he's a
Speaker 2: church going guy, believes in God, he's against gay people.
Speaker 2: These are good, pure things, Okay, Aaron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: And they think for some reason, by the way, the
Speaker 2: delusion is usually that, oh they're Russian they look white,
Speaker 2: they must be white. They don't think they're white people.
Speaker 2: They're Russians.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's that's the other hilarious thing. It's like
Speaker 1: the people on our side that have bought into this
Speaker 1: whole thing and are pushing the culture wars on us.
Speaker 1: What they constantly say is our Western values and like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at the Libs. They're trying to destroy Western culture
Speaker 1: and it's all about y you know. But they're going
Speaker 1: on on about Western civilization and Western values all the
Speaker 1: while they're being backed by the East right.
Speaker 2: And we are you know, anybody who speaks up about it.
Speaker 2: You are a disgusting supporter of the perverted things that
Speaker 2: have gone wrong in this country. You are exactly the
Speaker 2: person who is part of the decay. You see putin
Speaker 2: he does things the right way. The Russians are in
Speaker 2: the right. How dare you? You know what, as liberal
Speaker 2: as you're supposed to be, because they keep calling me liberal.
Speaker 2: As liberal as you're supposed to be, you should, above
Speaker 2: everybody else believe in the in the removal of the
Speaker 2: Nazis from Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Yeahs in Ukraine. And I'm still using that.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, but how about this? Are there anything
Speaker 2: like white supremacist movements in Russia. I can you know.
Speaker 2: I had somebody who used to be friendly to me,
Speaker 2: who hates my guts now who you know, pointed out
Speaker 2: rightly that there were over fifty registered organizations of white
Speaker 2: supremacy in Russia. But you know anyway, they're okay, No,
Speaker 2: it's made up. I make it up because I'm a
Speaker 2: liberal and I'm a scumbag and I'm supporting You know
Speaker 2: what did they accuse Ukraine up? They make chemical weapons,
Speaker 2: they're child traffickers, they're uh, you name it, they're making
Speaker 2: illegal chemical.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I've brought up. I brought up
Speaker 1: the whole like Ukrainian smearing tactics, like there's Nazis there
Speaker 1: and all the stuff they're talking about right now. I
Speaker 1: brought this up to somebody and they got so mad
Speaker 1: at me. They basically disowned me. Somebody that I've talked
Speaker 1: about on the show that disowned me, did it because
Speaker 1: I brought this up. I'm like, what the hell is
Speaker 1: this stuff that they're going on about Ukraine? This is idiotic?
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they turned on me
Speaker 1: and they dropped me because I said.
Speaker 2: That because you now are on the side of pedophiles,
Speaker 2: war criminals, Nazis, all of that stuff. You're you're protecting them,
Speaker 2: you want them to succeed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Chuck, this is somebody that knows better than
Speaker 1: to buy into those stories too. It's like even worse
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter what they should know better. They
Speaker 2: are buying some part of it, whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: Pizzagate was real, no matter what you tell me, whether
Speaker 2: it was you know, look the hunter Biden obviously did
Speaker 2: worse things than Donald Trump, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: You know, they're all molesting each other over there and
Speaker 2: then they go have pizza at Ping Pong. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it doesn't matter. They will sling it
Speaker 2: all back at you. And besides that, Michelle Obama was
Speaker 2: a man anyway. You know, there were videos, whole video
Speaker 2: essays about this. You know, look at her fingertips, look
Speaker 2: at look at the shoulders. Look there's a bulge in
Speaker 2: the picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always new Kamala Harris is a man.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: They always they keep you running the same story with
Speaker 1: whoever they don't like that's a woman, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's actually a man. I think Taylor Swift has been
Speaker 1: called a man. Everybody that they don't like and go
Speaker 1: after in this culture war sense, they call if you're
Speaker 1: a woman, you're a sally.
Speaker 2: A man or, or you're just simply a completely mk
Speaker 2: ultra mind controlled And some of these celebrities and stuff,
Speaker 2: they're the servants of those that want to do this.
Speaker 2: That's why Jay Z makes hand symbols of the illuminati
Speaker 2: at you. Uh, That's why every single presentation in public,
Speaker 2: every every super Bowl halftime show is a satanic ritual, right,
Speaker 2: all of that and it all comes from that same cauldron.
Speaker 2: And what kills me is that nobody sees it. And
Speaker 2: now the worst part of it is it is not
Speaker 2: just residing among well these are just coops talking to
Speaker 2: each other on you know, message boards and Facebook. Right,
Speaker 2: It's not just there anymore. Now you have literally a
Speaker 2: president of the United States repeatedly screaming about they're eating
Speaker 2: dogs in Ohio. Yes, okay, I'm just saying, you know it,
Speaker 2: it's the same. It's the same propaganda stream it's been.
Speaker 2: It's it's the same thing as I'm always pointing out
Speaker 2: the mainstreaming of alternative weird fringe things and then also
Speaker 2: the fringeitizing of the mainstream. Yeah, but that's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 2: And now because of the cat thing. You know, even
Speaker 2: better is you know people will say, no, no, no, you
Speaker 2: don't understand that's real. Now people are going to argue
Speaker 2: over whether it's real or not, whether it's real or not,
Speaker 2: whether it's real or not. But never look at this,
Speaker 2: even if Ronald Reagan okay, and again not a guy
Speaker 2: who I appreciate as an individual, because you know, if
Speaker 2: you were poor during the time Reagan was in office,
Speaker 2: outside of that, free cheese and butter, you're hurting, okay,
Speaker 2: and free cheese and butter is not going to fix
Speaker 2: all what was going on during the crack epidemic. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: but you know, and I suffered through that. I not
Speaker 2: only suffered through that, you know, much like I wrote
Speaker 2: in the book that I'm still working on and you know, hopefully,
Speaker 2: actually one good thing is I might be getting my
Speaker 2: hand back a bit more.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I'm going to finish that book. Sam, I too, Lett
Speaker 2: and I are writing a book and at some point
Speaker 2: there it's gonna say the drug war has child soldiers too. Okay,
Speaker 2: but anyway, all of that going on, imagine Ronald Reagan
Speaker 2: coming out will I know they're eating cats in Ohio
Speaker 2: tonight because the Haitians have come here and they're terrible,
Speaker 2: sick people. And you're for that, mister Carter. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's gonna happen, head Bobin or not nearly.
Speaker 1: Clearly, the standards have changed. It's obvious. It's obvious the
Speaker 1: standards have changed.
Speaker 2: Its it it makes it hilarious. Clinton with the blue
Speaker 2: dresser ready, okay, I mean please? Yeah. So so look,
Speaker 2: all I'm trying to say is all this stuff graduated
Speaker 2: into something. The alt media, the conspiracy fringe, the truthers
Speaker 2: have all been sucked into the same a removable vacuum bag. Okay,
Speaker 2: And that's what's gone on here. It's good to be
Speaker 2: on that other side. You know, fifteen years ago, excuse me, heir,
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, if somebody was even being sympathetic to
Speaker 2: the Russians, even though you know, the Soviet Union fell,
Speaker 2: they would have said, you're a comi. Yeah yeah, Not
Speaker 2: only are you a comi, you're a dirty, filthy left
Speaker 2: wing commie pinko whatever. You're siding with our enemy, and
Speaker 2: you tell them, look, the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 2: Yes it does. They would have told you, yes it does.
Speaker 2: And even if it doesn't exist, there, don't forget China. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I was thinking the other day
Speaker 1: was I was like, man, this whole thing just seems
Speaker 1: like it's so insane. It's almost like some like teenagers
Speaker 1: who are watching Rocky four but they're like super stoned.
Speaker 1: Then they're all thinking about whoa man?
Speaker 3: About future where the Soviet Union's not gone anymore, man,
Speaker 3: but it's Russia and Russia comes and they like take
Speaker 3: over to the US.
Speaker 1: Man. But yeah, you want to feel like that. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's how stupid reality.
Speaker 2: You want a real mind blower. Brother, I got it
Speaker 2: for Yoda. Here's the thing. I bet if we were
Speaker 2: born in Russia, we wouldn't see it the same way.
Speaker 2: We'd be on Drago's side. Okay, we'd be on Drago's side.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, I don't care how tall his
Speaker 2: wife is. We'd be on his side. Brother. You know,
Speaker 2: I mean mister t had to die for this man. No, No,
Speaker 2: that was Carl Weathers and that was just his character. No,
Speaker 2: I'm still my point skins. Okay, if we just got
Speaker 2: them both to sit down and smoke some of this,
Speaker 2: the world would be safe. Man.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, this is the level of reality that
Speaker 1: we're living in. This is why I feel insane all
Speaker 1: the time. It's like, how how does everybody just go
Speaker 1: on propping this up? How? Because you can't I know that.
Speaker 1: Pool's legal defense now is I've maintained complete editorial control.
Speaker 1: I never knew anything.
Speaker 2: I ain't. No, I was.
Speaker 1: Being helpful to the rush of blah blah blah. That's
Speaker 1: what they're all saying. Yeah I was, But you can't
Speaker 1: tell me that. They're all so stupid they never realized
Speaker 1: the connection. Are They're all that dumb?
Speaker 2: Yeah I was a dupe, is his best defense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's that's the thing too. So if you
Speaker 1: believe that, then you go, okay, well you're so stupid,
Speaker 1: then you're useless. As in any sort of investigative journalist
Speaker 1: or anybody trying to present me with the truth where
Speaker 1: you're like digging into the truth. Clearly you can't do that.
Speaker 1: So why don't we just toss him aside. He's like
Speaker 1: going back about his business. He's back at work. I
Speaker 1: think he's doing his podcast. He's tweeting away. That's like,
Speaker 1: what this never happened? Like it's driving me insane.
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, is crying Alex Jones still on
Speaker 2: the air somewhere because I think he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing too, because all these people are
Speaker 1: always like, yeah, they're gonna shut shut us down, just
Speaker 1: like they shut Alex Jones down. I'm like, he's screaming
Speaker 1: away every day he's in my feed. I can't get
Speaker 1: away from the guy. They don't shut anything down. What
Speaker 1: the hell are you even talking about?
Speaker 2: I love it. It's like the Milania book commercial that came out.
Speaker 2: I have seen in America that they have tried to
Speaker 2: silence my husband, and therefore I know that nothing is
Speaker 2: fair here now. I mean, that's what you get for
Speaker 2: an Einstein piez there. And I gotta tell you it's
Speaker 2: it's a thing of beauty, it really is. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's either that or the I'm not sure if it's human. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Hillary, that was choice between two evils, Okay?
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 2: I mean she was so bizarre, you know, Like I said,
Speaker 2: to begin with, the problem is that even if the
Speaker 2: CIA were just outright steel the American election and handed
Speaker 2: to Hillary Clinton. Nobody would have believed it. But anyway,
Speaker 2: the funny thing is Tim Poole has been this topic
Speaker 2: of discussion for a long time, and his comedian friends
Speaker 2: have defended him. Now he is, you know, what he
Speaker 2: does his thing, and you guys are picking on him
Speaker 2: and free speech and this isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, free speech, just like Charlottesville. Free speech. It's always
Speaker 1: that about.
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is even better. You know, this guy has
Speaker 2: done nothing but profit on excuse me, but profit on
Speaker 2: government subsidies basically. I mean, that's what he's gotten off
Speaker 2: on that and the promise, all these different things he's
Speaker 2: gotten out of promising to make cars that he doesn't
Speaker 2: even deliver on time. And meanwhile he's still shooting rockets
Speaker 2: out there. Right. Everything is ex SpaceX twitters now and
Speaker 2: he's exit out a lot, Aaron gotta tell you. But anyway,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk, No, he's a purveyor of free speech. Not really,
Speaker 2: but they're gonna say he is because he restored Alex Jones.
Speaker 2: He restored Donald Trump, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. He says. What they've done is like
Speaker 1: they've laid claim to the label the marketing brand that
Speaker 1: is free speech. They've branded free speech as their culture
Speaker 1: war nonsense. They're like, yeah, this is free speech, and
Speaker 1: so just so that they're trying to own it, they're
Speaker 1: never actually talking about what it actually is. They don't
Speaker 1: really even want it for everybody either for that matter.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's definitely what they're doing right right.
Speaker 2: And like I said, the thing with you know, Pool
Speaker 2: and some of these other guys, and you know, I
Speaker 2: feel sympathy because I guarantee you there are some guys
Speaker 2: in there who did not know what was happening. Sure, sure,
Speaker 2: but somebody like him Tinpool of Ball. See, this is
Speaker 2: the funny thing about Joe Rogan too. Hey, keep this
Speaker 2: in mind, all right, And I'm not flinging any libelest
Speaker 2: accusations here. I'm just asking you to consider Joe Rogan's
Speaker 2: the funniest guy that could dominate the podcast world. He's
Speaker 2: worth his two hundred and fifty million dollar podcast deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about that as you and I sit
Speaker 2: here and I tell you I can't afford to take
Speaker 2: an uber to go to the hospital. Okay, this guy
Speaker 2: has two hundred and fifty million dollars worth of his
Speaker 2: podcast is worth that much. These two sports guys, the
Speaker 2: two what is the two brothers or whatever that are
Speaker 2: football players.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty million dollars Joe Rogan makes sense
Speaker 1: because they're already celebrities anyway. Okay, but I kind of
Speaker 1: get that sort of But you really.
Speaker 2: Believe that their podcast is worth one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see what I'm getting there.
Speaker 1: Where's the money coming from?
Speaker 2: But you see what I'm getting at here. Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: was kind of a celebrity too, but I mean, fear
Speaker 2: factor and stand up comedy is not getting you two
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar deals usually, all right. And he's been
Speaker 2: on top of the Spotify list and he's the number
Speaker 2: one podcast in the world, and they claim he's got
Speaker 2: how many three billion downloads you know per episode or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, literally, they're almost saying half of the planet
Speaker 2: and more than half of the entire country listens to
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan. That's what it says, and that's why he's
Speaker 2: worth that money. But there are many of these deals
Speaker 2: out there where you look at it and you go,
Speaker 2: this guy got into podcasting two years ago and wasn't
Speaker 2: a mega celebrity or was a minor celebrity, and now
Speaker 2: they're on the fifty million, one hundred million, one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty million, two hundred million dollar plateaus. You and
Speaker 2: I know the money involved in podcasting. How much do
Speaker 2: you have to generate in order to get there? And
Speaker 2: these YouTubers that are all so rich, some of them,
Speaker 2: I can understand it. But you know, if you've ever
Speaker 2: collected a penny off of YouTube, or if you knew
Speaker 2: somebody that did, they'll tell you I can get a
Speaker 2: fraction of a penny for you know, ten to fifty views,
Speaker 2: because that's how Google pays. Okay, how do you ascend
Speaker 2: just like that? It's usually a big investment. Somebody shows
Speaker 2: up and I have no objection to that. You can
Speaker 2: get an angel investor, you can get a philanthropist to
Speaker 2: say do something like that, beautiful, go to it. But
Speaker 2: you must consider that when somebody does that and they're
Speaker 2: being propped up. You know, most people don't give away
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million or twenty million or thirty
Speaker 2: million or whatever these deals are. Usually you don't give
Speaker 2: away that kind of money without expecting something in return.
Speaker 2: Whatever that maybe, so, you know, I mean, and also
Speaker 2: take a look at this. Some of these monster legacy
Speaker 2: media outlets. They have podcasts out there, they're advertising dollar
Speaker 2: and their intake of money when they have a media
Speaker 2: organization behind them like NBC. Okay, it's a billion dollar
Speaker 2: company or whatever. You know, how much you want to say,
Speaker 2: it's worth many, many millions of dollars. Some of them
Speaker 2: can't make podcast float all right, yeah, yeah, I could
Speaker 2: point So tell me again, what so Joe Rogan is
Speaker 2: that entertaining? He gets all the best guests. The President
Speaker 2: of the United States goes on his podcast. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure Obama was still in office when he went on.
Speaker 1: There wasn't, I don't remember, but yeah, the guests are ridiculous,
Speaker 1: the caliber of guests that he gets here.
Speaker 2: Right, you know. And and these guys in the meantime,
Speaker 2: a lot of them tried to sell it as I'm
Speaker 2: just doing a podcast in my garage. A guy like
Speaker 2: Bill Burr is sitting on his bed in his house
Speaker 2: doing his podcast. Yeah right, and he's you know, funny,
Speaker 2: famous all that. Do you think he's making one hundred million,
Speaker 2: fifty million, twenty million dollars off of that? Podcast answers. No,
Speaker 2: he's sitting there reading me Undy's commercials. Okay, seriously, me
Speaker 2: Undis ordered the wine of the month. You should try
Speaker 2: the meal in a box, blue Apron or whatever.
Speaker 1: He was be getting paid decent for that volume of ads. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he must be getting paid pretty good for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but take a look, he's nowhere on the
Speaker 2: radar of when you start to look at heres the
Speaker 2: absolutely most outrageous, you know, successful podcasts in the world.
Speaker 2: He's not getting the kind of money at all, whether
Speaker 2: it's revenue or his personal pay, like Joe Rogan, like
Speaker 2: these other guys. And again the.
Speaker 1: Comedians use it also to maintain their public profile and
Speaker 1: get people out to their shows and things like that too.
Speaker 1: So that's the silver thing.
Speaker 2: That's why all those Yeah, but again it's about levels.
Speaker 2: That's why all of them that podcast. Yes, true all
Speaker 2: the way around. But here's the thing. Some of them
Speaker 2: they're not trying to sell out Madison Square Garden when
Speaker 2: they're doing the podcast. They're selling chuckles. They're selling the
Speaker 2: laugh factory in you know, a town you never heard
Speaker 2: of in New Jersey. There's I mean literally I've heard towns.
Speaker 2: You know. It's We're going to be at the at
Speaker 2: the Haja House and it's in blocks of box of Jersey.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, I don't even know where the hell
Speaker 2: that is, you know. Or even if they go to
Speaker 2: New York City in a small club or they go
Speaker 2: to you know, but in a lot of times they'll
Speaker 2: be like and I'll be in Idaho at the Boise uh,
Speaker 2: you know, at the Boise racquetball arena, you know, like whatever.
Speaker 2: They're not selling out stadiums. So yeah, they're using a
Speaker 2: podcast to pump up something that does pay them a
Speaker 2: decent amount of money, but it's not on the level
Speaker 2: of again, stadium pillars things like that. Okay, they're filling
Speaker 2: comedy clubs using their podcast. Even if you charge everybody
Speaker 2: in that place, you know, fifty dollars a ticket, it's
Speaker 2: not that much money. Okay, It's just realistically, it's not
Speaker 2: so I mean, you know, people got to use their
Speaker 2: heads a little bit. That's all I'm saying is that
Speaker 2: these guys who pop up suddenly have massive success, suddenly
Speaker 2: have all the resources, Suddenly they have that, and then
Speaker 2: giant contract comes for them, and it just so happens
Speaker 2: they get the most controversial guys, and they happen to
Speaker 2: be steering part of the discussion, and every news network
Speaker 2: has to mention, what did Elon Musk say on Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan's show He smoked weed with him? You know, all
Speaker 2: of these things go on. Bill Maher tries to smoke
Speaker 2: weed on a podcast. You know, he's not getting paid
Speaker 2: that much for club whatever it's called clubs something.
Speaker 1: That guy needs to disappear into obscurity and that needs
Speaker 1: to happen tomorrow. I've had it with that guy.
Speaker 2: You've had it with Bill Maher.
Speaker 1: Oh god, he's insufferable.
Speaker 2: Me too. I'm you know what, I was a fan
Speaker 2: of his at one point. Done with him. He makes
Speaker 2: no sense whatsoever. He just you know, he hates a
Speaker 2: certain kind of people. And and he's also and I'm
Speaker 2: not even talking about the Muslim thing in case somebody thinks, well.
Speaker 1: He's bought into the culture war nonsense himself.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, yes, he The good thing is he's
Speaker 2: willing to point out that liberals are crazy with certain things,
Speaker 2: you know, with the you know, with the sex changes
Speaker 2: and a lot of weird stuff. You know that, yes,
Speaker 2: some of that stuff is outrageous. You know, you're gonna
Speaker 2: You're gonna throw a fit and make somebody lose their
Speaker 2: job because they didn't realize that instead of a he
Speaker 2: or her, you're a day No screw you.
Speaker 1: Well with this ridiculous works on both sides, absolutely, but
Speaker 1: it's definitely a weapon. No, I'm just saying he's not
Speaker 1: doing this. I would love to go away.
Speaker 2: I would love to, but it's not going to go
Speaker 2: away so long as it's a useful lever. Anyway, Look
Speaker 2: at this man, I totally sat here and talked over
Speaker 2: your whole podcast. I didn't even want to do that.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is good because last week I
Speaker 1: was more excited to do the show last week than
Speaker 1: I have been in a long time because it's just
Speaker 1: that story. And I ruined the tenant media. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I no, it's because it's weird. It's an ever changing story.
Speaker 1: It's something that's important. It's something that people keep sweeping
Speaker 1: under the rug in the alternative media just would like
Speaker 1: it to go away. If you bring it up to somebody,
Speaker 1: they ignore you.
Speaker 2: And all the things I keep saying, and I just
Speaker 2: want you to take note of this, all the stuff
Speaker 2: that I keep saying that that people hate my guts for.
Speaker 2: You know, when I said it doesn't matter, Alex Jones
Speaker 2: will still be on the air, nobody believed me when
Speaker 2: I told people, don't worry, they'll restore Trump to Twitter.
Speaker 2: He'll be able to run. Oh, he's going to be
Speaker 2: in jail by the time they're done with these hearings.
Speaker 2: And before anything happened, I said, they're gonna nothing's gonna
Speaker 2: come to these because they're going to push it back,
Speaker 2: push it back, push it back, undermine it, figure out
Speaker 2: a way to get out of it, and it'll go away.
Speaker 2: What has happened so far. When they pushed trials to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, they pushed them beyond the selection. They've
Speaker 2: done all that exactly as I said. But I'm an idiot, right,
Speaker 2: no problem, Okay, I see all this stuff happening, and
Speaker 2: this is where we're at. Man, I see it coming.
Speaker 2: I tell people it's coming, and they don't hear me.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what to do anymore. It's
Speaker 2: so to a point of sentimentality is the thing that
Speaker 2: rules all substance. There is no escaping. Your opinion is
Speaker 2: more important than anything, which, by the way, it would
Speaker 2: be a useful thing to look up the etymology of
Speaker 2: the word opinion, Aaron, if you wouldn't mind, because we
Speaker 2: do have a couple of minutes here if you want
Speaker 2: to take them, well maybe I'll look it up if
Speaker 2: you want, and you could talk for a minute.
Speaker 1: You want to do that, because sure, sure do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love this. This is so useful and you're
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna appreciate it, I think, Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I do like etymology. I am in an
Speaker 1: etymology dictionary paper one and that I love. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: this this is a big mess. I anytime this it's
Speaker 1: just frustrating. And I I now like the term post
Speaker 1: truth world because I think it describes perfectly. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start using this, the fact that there is
Speaker 1: no truth movement left there. I mean, we could uh
Speaker 1: rightly criticize what it was to begin with and always
Speaker 1: had problems. It was never it was always problematic, but
Speaker 1: there were good aspects too. All of the good uh
Speaker 1: just swept away. It's not even there anymore, as we're saying,
Speaker 1: it's just this like maga cheerleading thing and that's all
Speaker 1: that's left. And then the culture wars and all this,
Speaker 1: and yes, the foreign influence is all a big part
Speaker 1: of it. It's all it's everybody scratching each other's backs.
Speaker 1: It's the Republicans, it's the Russians, it's the Maga.
Speaker 2: But anyway, and they removed right, and they removed all
Speaker 2: of the fish from the giant school and the body
Speaker 2: of water, you know why. And they left the bluefish
Speaker 2: in there. And then they just threw shiny things in
Speaker 2: the water. Why do you do that? Because then the
Speaker 2: bluefish will run around biting each other. And that is
Speaker 2: what you're left with, just the easy to catch fish
Speaker 2: moving around biting each other. That is literally the behavior
Speaker 2: of a bluefish. Okay, anyway, etymology, if you don't understand that,
Speaker 2: you know, metaphor cool, I'm with you. It's fine, I'm stupid,
Speaker 2: but pay attention to this opinion. It is a noun
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And this is from Edemah. Let's see
Speaker 2: ETI Edemon time right, Yeah, okay, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: try and read it properly, but I can't so anyway,
Speaker 2: but I can read these words very clearly a judgment
Speaker 2: formed or a conclusion reached. Everybody, Remember it's always about
Speaker 2: you'd say facts. You tell them, well what about this?
Speaker 2: What about this? And they go, doesn't matter my opinion ever.
Speaker 2: Notice that no matter what you throw at them, whether
Speaker 2: it's facts, it's figures, it's possibilities, it's what things look like. Well,
Speaker 2: my opinion, it's always the thing they push forward. Doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what you just said, my opinion. Back to etymology
Speaker 2: of opinion. Excuse me, early fourteenth century opinion okay, because
Speaker 2: it was one of those frenchy things and opinion opi
Speaker 2: nio un originally. Now, a judgment formed or a conclusion reached,
Speaker 2: especially one based on evidence that does not produce knowledge
Speaker 2: or certainty. Wrap your mind around that for a moment.
Speaker 2: Very serious. Now, okay, let's go through it one more time, Aaron,
Speaker 2: just real fast, real fast. A judgment formed or a
Speaker 2: conclusion reached, especially one based on evidence that does not
Speaker 2: produce knowledge or certainty. From old French opinion view, judgments
Speaker 2: founded upon probabilities, okay. From the Latin opinion okay, nominative
Speaker 2: opinion opinion no, okay, I screwed that up. I haven't
Speaker 2: read my Latin in a while. Opinion conjecture fancy belief
Speaker 2: what one thinks appreciates esteem from stem of opinion? Are
Speaker 2: a think judge, suppose opine from piop to choose? Now,
Speaker 2: what does that sound like to you? Those things eron.
Speaker 1: Does? It's not like much that's useful or that you're
Speaker 1: actually learning anything.
Speaker 2: No, see, you're basing you. You've made a conclude usion.
Speaker 2: It says a judgment or conclusion reached, especially one based
Speaker 2: on evidence that does not produce knowledge or certainty. So
Speaker 2: what is evidence that does not produce knowledge or certainty?
Speaker 2: It's inconclusive at best, and it is counterintuitive at worst.
Speaker 2: Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, it describes everything that's going on online today.
Speaker 1: That's everything. It's like so much evidence and there's no
Speaker 1: shortage of evidence in these social media streams that were
Speaker 1: bombarted with but it goes nowhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you have it. Man? What else can
Speaker 2: I say? But this kills me. I love that you
Speaker 2: let me on with you for a while. I've run
Speaker 2: over your time of Screwjump. I'm sorry I screw Jump
Speaker 2: last week. I appreciate that you even cared that I
Speaker 2: didn't show up. I really do. And you read my
Speaker 2: email you'll know why I explained it to you. But
Speaker 2: thank you, man, and thank you for having been by
Speaker 2: me now for many years. I am grateful that I
Speaker 2: have gotten the chance, even if I do nothing else
Speaker 2: in this media world. Again, I am grateful to have
Speaker 2: worked with Aaron Franz. I am grateful to have worked
Speaker 2: with Uncle. I'm grateful for our time that we have had,
Speaker 2: no matter whatever happens from here on out. And I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. It's one of the proudest things I have
Speaker 2: in my time, doing this full time, all the time
Speaker 2: for a decade.
Speaker 1: All right, Oh well, thank you, Chuck Likewise. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, this is a live show because of you, man,
Speaker 1: So I appreciate it. Yeah, I did itoh Man, to
Speaker 1: say the least. So, yeah, that's that's our show on
Speaker 1: this topic. We will return to it because it's important.
Speaker 1: I know everybody wishes we could just not talk about
Speaker 1: it and pretend that it's fake and it only wheels
Speaker 1: around to every time there's an election, like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: the Russia hoax again, which it's already being spun into that.
Speaker 1: But no, it's real. It has been real, still real,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot to it. It's not just a
Speaker 1: one dimensional thing. But this is the Ocelliot Radio Network
Speaker 1: It's Friday night. This is the age of transitions, and
Speaker 1: now we're moving in beyond government hour, thank God to
Speaker 1: the Uncle Show. So please stay tuned. That's coming right up.
Speaker 1: But yes, my name is Aaron Franz, and as always
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Speaker 5: Gentlemen, we are on a three one hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: Click click, four o'clock. We're at four o'clock. Okay, very good. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a show. And uh let's see here.
Speaker 1: You said the number. Okay, so we got the uh,
Speaker 1: we've got the chat up.
Speaker 5: Oh my clockloom. Let's hear it in the ears. Let's
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Speaker 1: Let's hear it in ears. I don't hear you. We've
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of it. I like that, a
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Speaker 1: It was pretty easy actually a lot of these, like
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Speaker 1: the live streams, Uncle. You know, the VHS watch parties
Speaker 1: have been going pretty good for us.
Speaker 5: I have been some people in the clock room. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and also was on the glad to have
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Speaker 1: We've got images from old Nintendo games in hand.
Speaker 8: We haven't had those playing.
Speaker 5: We've been doing the watch party with the with the videos.
Speaker 1: We haven't been playing them for a little while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we haven't been doing the vintage gaming with Uncle streams.
Speaker 1: We've been concentrating on the VHS watch party, which I've
Speaker 1: been enjoying. I've been enjoying that thoroughly. Uncle playing the
Speaker 1: old VCR tape you're in.
Speaker 5: This past week, we had a very good one cartoon experience.
Speaker 8: That was very good cartoon experience.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. We did. Yeah, we watched the tape
Speaker 1: said it was over two hours. It didn't seem that long.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if that was false advertising. Honestly, be
Speaker 1: a little bit it seemed like the shorter that somebody's
Speaker 1: talking what today is? Not only is it Friday the thirteenth,
Speaker 1: which is a special day for me, uncle.
Speaker 8: But a minute, hey, Jason, you might be coming.
Speaker 1: Jason. I forgot about that. This is Jason Knight. But
Speaker 1: it's a special day for me, just Friday thirteenth, right
Speaker 1: off the bat. But my wife just came in for
Speaker 1: me that today is bald is beautiful day, which you know,
Speaker 1: I love that, you.
Speaker 5: Know, his boor head, that's what the poor head contest.
Speaker 1: No shame in this, Uncle. I'm not Tim Poole. I
Speaker 1: don't have to wear a hat to cover it up.
Speaker 1: I'm happy about it. Eh, it's good on you. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there we go. Don't even have to comments as bald
Speaker 1: as beautiful, Uncle, Today's a whole day. Let's say, are
Speaker 1: what's going? Oh, there's Jason. I was talking about Tod.
Speaker 2: There he is.
Speaker 1: That is Jason, and I get it a bit. That
Speaker 1: was Jason music Friday the thirteenth. It is Friday the thirteenth,
Speaker 1: it's bald, just beautiful day. It's all sorts of crazy
Speaker 1: stuff are happening here. We'll on Uncle the podcast. Uncle
Speaker 1: call us.
Speaker 5: Everybody gets the calling down here, and let's give us
Speaker 5: the first caller.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna guess it's Jimmy. Gonna be Jimmy, but
Speaker 1: please do call in. We would love to speak with
Speaker 1: you as always. Go come on it, come in. Don't
Speaker 1: mind me, I can playing on the topic.
Speaker 8: Oh, yes, there is that's Jimmy.
Speaker 1: That was right on time. That's Jimmy. Kind of is gracious.
Speaker 1: We got to call it.
Speaker 8: Hello, Jimmy, bigot aunt CALLI.
Speaker 6: Oh Jimmy, James is expected and I want to get
Speaker 6: your gay react. Oh yeah, I want to get your
Speaker 6: guys reaction. Jess a year in a row. She's an opener.
Speaker 6: The Lions three bailed over the Rams coming.
Speaker 5: That is a comment I had to say.
Speaker 1: They they ready started, the Rams weren't quite ready. They
Speaker 1: weren't ready.
Speaker 8: Because look at what they had. They did not have
Speaker 8: the starters.
Speaker 5: They didn't play any starters in preseason, just like that
Speaker 5: coach does every year. He doesn't have him practice before
Speaker 5: the first game. And none of them maybe had it
Speaker 5: hand one in.
Speaker 8: The last game, but other than that, there was none.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a preseason game for the starter for
Speaker 1: the Wookies.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Hey, though, I got some news for you, Jimmy. Guess
Speaker 5: what I got. I got the first Wookie shoot.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uncles, gott Rams Jersey. It's a Florida State
Speaker 1: player that they just picked up, fisk Fist, who is
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman. They got two of those guys from
Speaker 1: Florida State this year first and they got him. It's
Speaker 1: number eight the night Skuy. Yeah, you already got the
Speaker 1: Fiske Jersey there, Jersey. Yeah, this weekend you got us, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: Your your Lions did beat us Sharron square and that
Speaker 1: overtime was painful to watch. Man, at least it won
Speaker 1: over time. And yeah, I mean they did. They did good.
Speaker 1: I mean both teams played good. But then that over time, man,
Speaker 1: the Lions were like a bulldozer just would not be stopped.
Speaker 1: They just came right through.
Speaker 5: They got a good defensive line and it's a good
Speaker 5: running back.
Speaker 1: Gibbs is a good winning back anyway. Yeah, well, what
Speaker 1: what's what's your take? What what stood out in the
Speaker 1: game to you, Jimmy?
Speaker 6: Well, first off, they played way better than I expected
Speaker 6: the Lions. That is, Hey, they beat my expectation, So
Speaker 6: I'll tell you that much. So I didn't have too
Speaker 6: much of a positive outlook. Uh, I think just this season,
Speaker 6: but eh, so far so did.
Speaker 5: As we were watching it, I was thinking about you
Speaker 5: give me and tell and sidekick here boy, Jimmy's going
Speaker 5: to enjoy this game.
Speaker 6: The end was the best part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well it got crazy that that Oh god,
Speaker 1: the overtime is painful that I was like, oh, come on,
Speaker 1: it would not stop. There was just the defense is
Speaker 1: worn down at that point. And yeah, like Uncle said,
Speaker 1: they've got work to do. I do believe that this
Speaker 1: year the Rams will be good. They'll be a very
Speaker 1: good team. I think they already are, but I mean
Speaker 1: the Lions are also an excellent team. The Rams have
Speaker 1: stuff to work out, which I believe that they will
Speaker 1: and I'm not too worried. And at least they lost
Speaker 1: to a good team and that a Lion's team is good.
Speaker 1: Well in a.
Speaker 5: Way, a Detroit is gonna go somewhere this year. Having
Speaker 5: a first win contest in a first week.
Speaker 8: Now usually usually they usually lose for some reason that
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 5: The Lions do usually in a first game, but Bits supplies.
Speaker 2: And has seen that.
Speaker 6: Of course, Chuck doesn't like the Bills. He lets the
Speaker 6: Jets well, at least Darren God is Aaron Rodgers. God
Speaker 6: is untouchdown man. So he managed to pull that off,
Speaker 6: but then lost and then the bills went and total
Speaker 6: that that lot, that dolphin. He's in rough shape. I
Speaker 6: don't even think he should anymore.
Speaker 5: I think I believe Toua is in his canoer. My
Speaker 5: thinking is, what's gonna happen? This is what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I was horrendous.
Speaker 2: They said.
Speaker 5: They said, it's up to him. Does he want to
Speaker 5: play or does he want to retire? But but but
Speaker 5: but with the payment they got, he.
Speaker 1: Can live a good life.
Speaker 5: He'll have he'll have the payment off of his higher
Speaker 5: his last ways if he wants it.
Speaker 1: They've already been talking like how he'll get paid out
Speaker 1: if he if they've already talked about I was talking.
Speaker 5: I was listening to it on on the talk show
Speaker 5: the of the sports station in Nani's car, and they
Speaker 5: were saying they're gonna they if he if he decides
Speaker 5: to stop, he has a family, has kids. Uh, I
Speaker 5: would take the advantage of just retire and he'll have
Speaker 5: all that money to live on.
Speaker 1: He really had ought to because I believe he should.
Speaker 1: He keeps getting these horrible.
Speaker 8: And he has a scene scene you things.
Speaker 1: Like to do that. I mean, honestly, it seems like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna die on the field. It looks at when
Speaker 1: he's lucky he hasn't already. He's just he's had so
Speaker 1: many debilitating.
Speaker 5: Evens is ope he retires and I think he should.
Speaker 5: And uh, and I can see I can see who
Speaker 5: they can I can see who they can go after.
Speaker 1: You'd be supposed you wouldn't think they may mean to
Speaker 1: pick up as a new quarterback. Yeah, there's already talking this,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm sure it's underneath the carpet to find out
Speaker 5: still talk. But and there's going to be a talk
Speaker 5: about it. I mean, I bet you by the end
Speaker 5: of the year, well.
Speaker 8: Before the middle of the week, the middle of.
Speaker 1: The season, there's going.
Speaker 8: To be talking about getting a new quarterback.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's gonna happen. And you haven't heard any word
Speaker 1: about who that would be. Have you don't talk about
Speaker 1: not yet.
Speaker 8: But there's this guy from the San Francisco they used.
Speaker 9: To No, there has been talk of space, but they're
Speaker 9: the ones that we think the other ones and me
Speaker 9: and missus sidekick was talking and saying, you know, when
Speaker 9: they should pick.
Speaker 1: Up the guy they had, you know what, he was
Speaker 1: bending his knees, the guy who bends his knees. All
Speaker 1: you're talking about Capern.
Speaker 8: Cap cap He's the only he.
Speaker 5: Don't have nobody him and uh and.
Speaker 1: I go there, he could come back, He can come back.
Speaker 1: Would be interesting. I would like to see him anyway. Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe all right, Kaepernick making a comeback maybe with the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I yeah, I feel like TUIs should hang
Speaker 1: up the helmet because nobody wants to see him die.
Speaker 1: That's it's horrible. He's got to have he has to
Speaker 1: have sustained injuries that are classified as traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 1: He had to have a couple of them these times.
Speaker 1: And they had that crazy thing with his hip in
Speaker 1: college too.
Speaker 8: That was really bad to it.
Speaker 1: So he's he's been nothing but hurt bad. When he
Speaker 1: gets hurt, he gets hurt bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you guys. I think he bear
Speaker 6: walk while they still can literally walk.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I believe you're gonna hear it breaking news. We have
Speaker 5: fitting news that he is retiring.
Speaker 1: I feel we're breaking that right now. Uncle.
Speaker 5: I have a feeling he's gonna say something to his
Speaker 5: family and they're having discussion about it because I know.
Speaker 5: And there was a guy on the morning show, the
Speaker 5: morning sports show, said he was on it and he.
Speaker 8: Knows him, he was within him, so he knows about him,
Speaker 8: he knows about it, he knows about cool.
Speaker 1: That he shouldn't and he knows he has kids and.
Speaker 5: It and it and it should he should retell you
Speaker 5: because that morning show on at eight o'clock, the uh
Speaker 5: Morning Show with the lady and two men and him and.
Speaker 1: And okay, one of those silly shows. Silly shows. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of those shows. Yeah, yeah, it's one
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I was listening to him and he said today,
Speaker 5: actually I was listening to it, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 5: he's a good friend of mine, and I think he
Speaker 5: should retire.
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Hawaii fella, Hawaii from Hawaii. All right, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to join us, you still can call
Speaker 1: him the number three one nine five to seven five
Speaker 1: zero one six. Jimmy's here with us. We don't have
Speaker 1: you as well. You can also skype, uh for sure.
Speaker 6: For song close knocked.
Speaker 2: Me right out.
Speaker 6: But on the video game.
Speaker 2: I'm uh, you know, I'm not.
Speaker 6: Too much of a video gamer. But one thing that's
Speaker 6: aggravating me is I wanted to get that Boyce City
Speaker 6: game for my phone because I've seen it for sale
Speaker 6: before for like six bucks, say bucks, something like that.
Speaker 4: And now I went.
Speaker 6: There and it says, no, your phone's too new is uncompatible.
Speaker 1: You can't say too it's too new. That's a problem.
Speaker 6: It says this this game was made for an older
Speaker 6: version of Android or some such thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I know what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: I feel like, usually it's the opposite problem where your
Speaker 1: phone is too old, no updating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's new Android problems now where if his phone
Speaker 2: is too advanced. Yep, that's exactly what happens. There's certain
Speaker 2: things you can't get from the old Androids. That's why
Speaker 2: some people are paying money to get some of the
Speaker 2: older Androids that have games that are no longer available.
Speaker 2: They're just you know, they're not using them as phones now,
Speaker 2: but just like it's like their own personal little gaming
Speaker 2: tablet because their favorite game is on a generation or
Speaker 2: two behind.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's great, and it doesn't work with.
Speaker 2: The new one because they changed the way the memory
Speaker 2: is stored or some crap. As I understand it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they what really bugs? And it bugs? Mean
Speaker 6: I was like, well, why it says it was hasn't
Speaker 6: been updated in three years. Why can't they just add
Speaker 6: a new update so would work now?
Speaker 2: Because if they did that, Jimmy, then you wouldn't have
Speaker 2: to go to Samsung and pay them more money, would
Speaker 2: you do? You see, there's the problem.
Speaker 6: But that's backwards. I'd be going the wrong way a currently,
Speaker 6: I gotta go backwards to play the game. I watch it.
Speaker 6: It says I gotta revert.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see, if enough of you complain, then instead
Speaker 2: of a six dollars game, they'll offer you a twenty
Speaker 2: dollars game, and it'll have all the same features and
Speaker 2: new ones and it's a new upgrade. That's what they're doing.
Speaker 6: Say yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2: So now they'll sell you. They'll sell you the Vice
Speaker 2: City along with San Andreas, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They'll package it together and be like, look, now you
Speaker 2: have three games and you're like, yeah, I only wanted
Speaker 2: the one. Well, yeah, but this way you get to
Speaker 2: pass forty bucks.
Speaker 8: You know, because that's how they want to make money.
Speaker 2: Exactly that's what they're doing. That's why I'm I'm going
Speaker 2: to replace this. I got to replace the Nintendo sixty
Speaker 2: four console.
Speaker 1: You have to replace them, but you have to replace
Speaker 1: an old Nintendo sixty four with another old Nintendo sixty
Speaker 1: fours every time out.
Speaker 2: Well, they don't make a new one. I mean, they
Speaker 2: make emulators and all that. But I went and got
Speaker 2: all the stuff so that, you know, Frankie could do
Speaker 2: the n sixty four deal because he wants to do
Speaker 2: Mario and he wants to do GoldenEye, and and I'm like, well, there,
Speaker 2: this is the best way to do it. So I
Speaker 2: went and up bought the memory expansion and you know,
Speaker 2: by piece, I couldn't afford all it once but here
Speaker 2: and there, Okay, this is your birthday present, so on
Speaker 2: and so forth, and then the console crapped out on me.
Speaker 2: I see, I didn't even know there was memory expansion
Speaker 2: packs in these things, you know, And and they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't make those anymore either, by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all. It's all vintage old stock you find on eBay,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now it's at that weird point.
Speaker 6: You can get NW once from wish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but those are emulators, and like I have a
Speaker 2: Nintendo emulator and it was great for three months.
Speaker 6: Well then these ones. I've seen one where they will
Speaker 6: actually take the original characters.
Speaker 1: They say, M.
Speaker 2: Send me a link, I'll look at it, because yeah, definitely,
Speaker 2: I'd love to see uncle play something like that on
Speaker 2: your if.
Speaker 1: He hasn't on the machine.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, well I have I have what do you
Speaker 8: have it?
Speaker 1: I have emulators on the computer and that's what we play.
Speaker 1: And we have these super Nintendo style controllers. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: if I can hold one up on it? Okay, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I have one right here. So we have these style controllers,
Speaker 1: which is basically it's a Super Nintendo controller with different colors.
Speaker 1: So this this is the has the exact same butnd's
Speaker 1: exact same shape. It's a cheapy thing I bought. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure on eBay about this thing. So it's it
Speaker 1: works good. And I have a bunch of one.
Speaker 2: I got you. I got you if you you know what,
Speaker 2: if you still had the cartridge console, I would send
Speaker 2: you something on loan. You know what I got is
Speaker 2: uh okay, you know GoldenEye, right Aaron.
Speaker 1: Everybody of course used to play it a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so imagine this. How about GoldenEye with Super Mario characters.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one of those ones the pirated games where
Speaker 1: they do that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I have that and I and you know
Speaker 2: what else I got is one of the pirated games
Speaker 2: with twent games.
Speaker 1: On yes, yes, yes, I see. My emulator in the
Speaker 1: computer also has those games. I have the like twenty
Speaker 1: five and one, sixty four and one. You can come
Speaker 1: across some really weird games on those things.
Speaker 2: Nice. I don't know. I went with the console.
Speaker 1: I really loved the.
Speaker 6: I had one of those. I bought it from a
Speaker 6: mall in Toledo from people who were from the former
Speaker 6: Eastern Block. It's this thing. Yeah, this thing had like
Speaker 6: a couple hundred games on it, including a lot of
Speaker 6: Japanese Nintendo games that we never even seen in this country.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I love those like fighting games
Speaker 2: that are like completely bizarre, like giant babies, fighting frogs
Speaker 2: and stuff like weird, like it looks like anime, like
Speaker 2: really good good graphics, like literally like an anime you're
Speaker 2: controlling of like fighting games and stuff.
Speaker 1: The thing that I want to really get it's something
Speaker 1: that's an emulator and that we can play old arcade
Speaker 1: games on I I know they have them by it
Speaker 1: look too into it. I would love to play old
Speaker 1: arcade games like the Simpsons arcade, the X Men game arcade,
Speaker 1: the old Aliens arcade game. Like, there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: arcade games that I loved as a kid.
Speaker 2: Well, search your yeah, search your Apple Store, because one
Speaker 2: of the advertising deals I almost got was on the
Speaker 2: the arcade games. Yeah, I almost that was one of
Speaker 2: my Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well looking.
Speaker 2: Apple had a thing where there was a setup where
Speaker 2: you buy bundles of the arcade games and they are
Speaker 2: literally like Galaga, and you know like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see, I have Gallagh already. I want some
Speaker 1: of the like next generation ones where the graphics started
Speaker 1: getting better. A lot of these were like the multiplayer games,
Speaker 1: like in a teenage Max Man, it was six players
Speaker 1: could play at once. I know it's gonna be different
Speaker 1: on an emulator, but you know those kinds of games, like.
Speaker 2: They had the teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and each each
Speaker 2: person could be a turtle. What is there for them?
Speaker 1: I forget how correct you get me in that? Still,
Speaker 1: I'll show you how to.
Speaker 5: Get them, and I'll go with you and I'll show
Speaker 5: you how to pick them up.
Speaker 1: You're gonna show me how to buy a game. Pick
Speaker 1: these things up.
Speaker 8: You want to get them built up, get over all the.
Speaker 5: Games you want to fine to put in you so
Speaker 5: you have a load of Yeah, if they were just
Speaker 5: on the computer, yeah, well, and then you can set
Speaker 5: them on the computer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Aaron Zell, you can do that, but you have
Speaker 1: to playing though.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the punch Out game with the where
Speaker 2: basically it looks like you're a green, gritted guy and
Speaker 2: you actually fight guys in front of you.
Speaker 1: And I believe what you're talking about is the Super
Speaker 1: Nintendo sequel to the Mike Tyson's punch Out became punch Out.
Speaker 1: It's the same game, but the sequel was Super Nintendo,
Speaker 1: I think, is what you're talking.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. This is not a home game.
Speaker 2: This is an arcade game which you put on boxing
Speaker 2: gloves in the arcade and you were a green guy okay,
Speaker 2: you were this green like gritted guy okay, okay, and
Speaker 2: you fought opponents. It was much like punch Out okay,
Speaker 2: except that that was the thing about it is literally,
Speaker 2: if you could keep winning, you could keep playing in
Speaker 2: the arcade. Yeah, it was like game.
Speaker 1: Yeah talking about do you remember that game? Uncle?
Speaker 2: Do you remember a sound?
Speaker 8: Because it was in you know what we were going
Speaker 8: into those things.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would. Oh you're talking about
Speaker 1: you're talking about actual uh arcade consoles, stand up arcade machine. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And it's that's what he's that's what uncle, that's what
Speaker 1: Uncle wants gave.
Speaker 8: But they have those are things and they go, well
Speaker 8: they have.
Speaker 5: I stepped into the ring of those things playing on
Speaker 5: those things in and it was that at a gang box.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about, like David Buster David yeah, Da,
Speaker 1: And I was.
Speaker 5: Sitting there and shooting these things, looking around for something
Speaker 5: to punch and boom there was one. I was going
Speaker 5: nuts bang, it was actually going bananis.
Speaker 2: Yes, well I picked up a creed too for at home,
Speaker 2: which is virtual reality boxing. But no, yeah, I'm talking
Speaker 2: about a literal stand up arcade game. But this one
Speaker 2: was the one that you used to hear in the arcade.
Speaker 2: It would get real loud, body blow, body blow, body blah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember yeah that one. Yeah, okay, now you
Speaker 1: remember it right, Yes, I remember that noise.
Speaker 2: But the neat thing about that game. Is that you
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you paid fifty cents or a dollar
Speaker 2: to play. It was, you know, ridiculous at that time
Speaker 2: to pay that money. But if you won, if you
Speaker 2: kept winning, you could keep playing, if you could keep.
Speaker 1: In your fights, got it. Oh yeah, that's okay, that's hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, no, but it was. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if you could get a home version of that. Walmart
Speaker 1: was making the combo stand up arcade games for a bit. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I've seen those in a lot of those stores, Walmart,
Speaker 1: Target and all that. They were what ain't they would do?
Speaker 8: So I kick, I think I know what you should do.
Speaker 5: Uh, start throwing to these places, start looking for these things,
Speaker 5: and then we'll have them here to put it on
Speaker 5: a computer. Yeah, so let's just work on that before
Speaker 5: we start playing computer.
Speaker 1: I might look into a really cont emulator on those
Speaker 1: old arcade games. If I could find versions of some
Speaker 1: of my favorite old arcade games, I would love to
Speaker 1: play those.
Speaker 2: Well, there was the Apple Yeah, there was literally an
Speaker 2: Apple Arcade series, and this was one of the things
Speaker 2: they wanted me to sell, was Apple Arcade Series. And
Speaker 2: you could get the Acclaim or you could get the
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what was it? Trying to think of
Speaker 2: the games the game companies when it was stand ups
Speaker 2: like Capcom, right, there you go, Capcom, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: Now you're getting it, Konami. And there was a great
Speaker 2: car game too that was really popular. I can't remember
Speaker 2: the name of the I'm trying to think of or
Speaker 2: that was a good one. But in USA there was another. Now,
Speaker 2: this is one where you have like weapons in your
Speaker 2: car and stuff, but it wasn't. It wasn't Spy Hunter
Speaker 2: Spy Hunters old. Uh, yeah, you have weapons? Is like
Speaker 2: you could put an oil slick behind you and you know.
Speaker 1: This was an arcade game. Yeah, I can't remember that
Speaker 1: one specifically.
Speaker 2: Well either way, what I'm saying is that they had
Speaker 2: that and uh, you know pac Man was made. Who
Speaker 2: made pac Man? I'm trying to think of who made package.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know who the developer on that
Speaker 1: one was. That's a good question. That wasn't an Atari game?
Speaker 1: Was it Atari? No?
Speaker 2: Because Atari even had such a fight with them they
Speaker 2: had to come out with that crappy square pac Man
Speaker 2: when they first put it out, Ah, I see, and
Speaker 2: it was still a popular game. But then when they
Speaker 2: actually made Miss pac Man on Atari. It actually looked good,
Speaker 2: you know. But they had that.
Speaker 1: That's why the misspack Man, because that was their property.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the regular pack man. There you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what that was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what you're gotta have to do do what
Speaker 5: you were saying, go to these places and trying to
Speaker 5: find those games that you want to have, the Find
Speaker 5: and Boom Home.
Speaker 1: And Midway, Midway get it Midway, Yes, Midway is a
Speaker 1: good run. Oh the Midway, I like that one. You
Speaker 1: know their games Midway, well, they used they started shooting ship.
Speaker 2: They had a Midway Okay, so they had a Midway
Speaker 2: combination game where you press buttons and you could pick
Speaker 2: between games, and that was a regular arcade game. At
Speaker 2: one point they started making those because in those days
Speaker 2: they put them into like laundry mats and stuff where
Speaker 2: they only had, you know, space for two games. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that was also back in the days where they
Speaker 2: would clear out of space like near the front window
Speaker 2: of a seven eleven and put two games in the
Speaker 2: seven elevens, remember that. Yes, So, so they made the
Speaker 2: combo games so that you could press the button and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I want to play pass.
Speaker 1: Yea, I remember Neo Geo had those combo games.
Speaker 2: There you go another one, right, yeah, I remember those.
Speaker 2: And then there was the really crappy ones that had
Speaker 2: the ball, the roller ball control.
Speaker 1: Yes, the roller ball I hate. They would have like
Speaker 1: golf games and bowling games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like submarines for some stupid reason, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: bandaid on that thing.
Speaker 5: They shoot and then they shoot out and they shoot
Speaker 5: out all the lowest ships.
Speaker 2: I could go.
Speaker 5: Submarine submarine game goes up and down, up and down
Speaker 5: and they and they see a ship and well.
Speaker 2: I hated that submarine. That submarine game had the paras
Speaker 2: Remember the periscope, Uncle, you had to you had to
Speaker 2: look at what I'm talking. Oh, I couldn't stand the.
Speaker 5: Telescope going up and down, up and down, and were
Speaker 5: sitting there, He's.
Speaker 1: Ready to go for.
Speaker 2: Well, you got to think with my bad eyesight, that
Speaker 2: periscope wasn't helping me, you know what I mean? It
Speaker 2: was bad. It was a bad time. Even better, you
Speaker 2: know what one of my favorite arcade games was. But
Speaker 2: you can't do this at home. Remember the the thing
Speaker 2: where you basically just got two metal sticks that vibrated
Speaker 2: real fast.
Speaker 1: Yes, what the hell were those things? It was like
Speaker 1: love testers.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it wasn't. It was the opposite of
Speaker 2: a love tester. It was how much pain can you
Speaker 2: stand because it causes this weird shock feeling in your
Speaker 2: hands and your arms. Yes, yes, and most people let
Speaker 2: go before the time's up. Yeah. Yeah. So it was
Speaker 2: like a toughness test where you had to and it
Speaker 2: really all it was these metal bars would vibrate at
Speaker 2: this bizarre rate of speed and you had to hold
Speaker 2: on tight to them.
Speaker 1: Interesting concept.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just reporting, Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 1: No, no, I remember I remember those I do remember
Speaker 1: seeing those things. Okay, yeah, unction And then to do is.
Speaker 5: Before we start that looking for some of these things, okay,
Speaker 5: and then what I really want to get.
Speaker 1: I keep saying this is my favorite old arcade games.
Speaker 1: I'll look for them, look for them. And I will
Speaker 1: also say I'm doing lots of fun stuff with the
Speaker 1: live streams. I'm really excited about connecting the VCR, which
Speaker 1: we've been doing, but I'm kind of trying to conceptualize
Speaker 1: taking that further, maybe connecting my old camp quarder and
Speaker 1: Goofen and playing old tapes from it. So utilizing old tapes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love old camp quarders. I tried to buy
Speaker 2: one of those, uh, like two years ago because somebody
Speaker 2: was trying to sell like three or four camp quarders
Speaker 2: they had in a shed because they were doing some
Speaker 2: kind of like you know, video the project or business
Speaker 2: at one point, and they shut down the business and
Speaker 2: just put the stuff in the boxes and left it
Speaker 2: there for like fifteen years, and they were pulling them
Speaker 2: out of the shed and stuff was brand new. You know.
Speaker 2: It was like, I don't know where you're gonna get
Speaker 2: taped from. But these things work perfectly. I try.
Speaker 1: No, that's great, I love them.
Speaker 2: Only problem with that you have is that sometimes no
Speaker 2: matter what you do, the battery just expires and then
Speaker 2: you have to plug it into the wall to make
Speaker 2: it work. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, for my setup, like the camera would be
Speaker 1: right here in the room where I just plug it in.
Speaker 1: It's another thing I plug in anyway, So that would
Speaker 1: be like kind of a subat scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you won't care, but it's not portable anymore because
Speaker 2: a lot of times the batteries are done. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would always buy multiple batteries when I had the
Speaker 1: camquarders because I carried mine around everywhere I went. Me
Speaker 1: and my friends wo tape stuff. So I always had
Speaker 1: several batteries. So for each camera.
Speaker 2: I had, that's important because they would die after twenty
Speaker 2: minutes long.
Speaker 1: But he usually's got a bigger one than the one
Speaker 1: that came with the kid. Oh yeah, no, always more power.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, whenever I bought one. My first question, but yeah,
Speaker 2: how many backup batteries you got on your shelf? Because
Speaker 2: I went backup batteries and they'd be like, we don't
Speaker 2: really need a back Yeah I do, two? Three? How
Speaker 2: many you got every time? Bally Midway, That's what I
Speaker 2: was trying to think of, Bally slash Midway. They the
Speaker 2: two companies together, and that was the push product. Now
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever happened with that product that was
Speaker 2: successful or whatever, but that was a deal that I
Speaker 2: almost had. Was the Bally Midway video game situation. And
Speaker 2: they made emulators and they made special controllers for this
Speaker 2: package or whatever. So try and find the Bally Midway
Speaker 2: arcade you know, Apple arcade product.
Speaker 1: Now you got messing it.
Speaker 5: So I kicked that to look forfore we start.
Speaker 2: To see it took me a minute. I had to
Speaker 2: think of pac Man, which one made pac Man? Okay,
Speaker 2: but oh yeah, that's right Bally, because they used to
Speaker 2: make pinball machines.
Speaker 1: That's right, yeah Bally. Now is that the same Bally's
Speaker 1: as the casino check? I don't think so, but Bally.
Speaker 2: But here's the funny part about that. I think that
Speaker 2: they make the machines that did go into the Bally casino,
Speaker 2: but it's a different Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Funny because also those poker weird iterations of poker and
Speaker 1: slot machines, all those weird digital gambling machines are basically
Speaker 1: weird arcade games for adults that like to gamble anyway.
Speaker 2: And a lot of the same companies you know, either
Speaker 2: slightly changed their label or didn't bother to change their label.
Speaker 2: If you look closely, the you know, real professional gambler
Speaker 2: machines are made by the same people that used to
Speaker 2: make the kiddie toys basically, you know. And pinball machines
Speaker 2: is another crossover because there's different types of pinball. There's
Speaker 2: pinball that you know of, and then there's the gambling
Speaker 2: type of pinball, which they used to have in the
Speaker 2: you know, in the thirties forty fifty sixties. No, I'm
Speaker 2: not kidding. I brought this up to somebody not long
Speaker 2: ago that Jim Garrison was involved at the whole thing,
Speaker 2: the pinball machine scandal, because the mob was controlling the
Speaker 2: fixed pinball machines, and Jimmy James on the line, he
Speaker 2: knows about it. I don't want to go in that direction,
Speaker 2: but I'm just pointing out that, Yeah, there's a whole
Speaker 2: thing to those machines and everything.
Speaker 1: I love a good pinball machine. I love a good
Speaker 1: arcadic I can hear it.
Speaker 5: I had those pinball machines just then the bulls itself
Speaker 5: hit the thing and boom. It keeps hitting the balls,
Speaker 5: backing for it before it goes down.
Speaker 1: We're trying to hit this thing with the pull like
Speaker 1: I'll tell you if I was mats in that.
Speaker 2: I love that stuff. If I was a rich man,
Speaker 2: you know which pinball machine I would get. Uncle. Did
Speaker 2: you ever see the Space Invader's Pinball Machine?
Speaker 1: No, I see that.
Speaker 2: The Space Invader's pinball Machine is one of the greatest
Speaker 2: arcade pinball machines ever. I love that thing. It's so
Speaker 2: weird and it's got.
Speaker 1: To do those guys come out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they has the thing with all the balls
Speaker 2: that come out. And also it's got the loops where
Speaker 2: you can shoot the thing through the loop and if
Speaker 2: you get it all the way through, you get a
Speaker 2: bonus stuff like that. And that's the other thing with
Speaker 2: the stand up arcade games. Aaron, did you ever play
Speaker 2: the Star Wars game where you're actually in the next
Speaker 2: wing you you're in a Next Wing.
Speaker 1: Fighter an arcade game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an arcade game where you're on the
Speaker 2: mission to go blow up the Death Star.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the arcade game. I recall all sorts
Speaker 1: of games for computer and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, I swear to you, yeah, I swear to you.
Speaker 2: Have creative accidents. Was in my chat right now. He'd
Speaker 2: probably find it. Let me see if I can find it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, let me shut up because you guys are
Speaker 2: going on and pinball. But uncle, pinball is a good deal,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, mean nuts.
Speaker 5: Every time I see a pinball in the play in
Speaker 5: a place, I.
Speaker 1: Got to hit this.
Speaker 8: Because then these crazy things and uh, what's you call it?
Speaker 1: What's that place? Seeing anything anything like that, I go
Speaker 1: to it. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 8: They have them all over the place. That the fact
Speaker 8: what I have.
Speaker 5: Do you know those cards that you can get a
Speaker 5: we filled on. I got David busted bunch of cord.
Speaker 5: So you just add all you have to do. You
Speaker 5: don't have to pay, you just have to add money
Speaker 5: to it and you go play. I got loads of them.
Speaker 5: I got loads of them because when me and his
Speaker 5: son went and we was going nuts with going all
Speaker 5: over the place hitting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all about you buy those cards and then
Speaker 1: either the card, depending on where you're at, the card
Speaker 1: works either a timed card where you get like an
Speaker 1: hour's worth, or it's a card that's worth this many.
Speaker 8: Plays, Yeah, many plays, depending on.
Speaker 1: Where you're at. I think Chuck E Cheese is timed
Speaker 1: and David Busters is one that gives you cerain amount
Speaker 1: of plays. Last I checked, Chucky Cheese.
Speaker 2: Didn't Chuck e Cheos go bankrupt?
Speaker 1: Guys there. I think there's isn't that one still over
Speaker 1: here in Corona? I think there's still one in Corona.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll go look that up. Next. I found the
Speaker 2: Star Wars machines I wanted to show you, and it's
Speaker 2: unbelievable because I just remembered by looking at this that
Speaker 2: they had one that you could sit down inside of
Speaker 2: the machine, and then they had another one that you
Speaker 2: could stand up and play, and that you got handles
Speaker 2: like you're controlling an X wing fighter.
Speaker 1: That's great, right, that's fun. Yeah, Yeah, they have them,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 6: Too one would actually move around, right Chuck, it would
Speaker 6: move around.
Speaker 2: Yes, there was a version that moved around, and there
Speaker 2: was a version that was still. You had both. Yep.
Speaker 2: These were expensive machines. I mean, I'm surprised they even
Speaker 2: made them, but they were out there.
Speaker 1: That is crazy. Yeah, and David Busters.
Speaker 5: Here, it's the company up Dead Busters And what was
Speaker 5: that other place.
Speaker 1: It's a new place that we want to know. There's
Speaker 1: a few of these places, John's and Creble Pizza Company.
Speaker 1: There's that Round nine. Was it called Round one? Is
Speaker 1: Round one?
Speaker 8: I believe it was. That's the one we went into.
Speaker 1: A Japanese we went into that one. That's the one
Speaker 1: we went into.
Speaker 5: And they had these oh pick you pick a thing out,
Speaker 5: watch it don't crab grab.
Speaker 1: It goes in the hole.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 8: The key with it that though, is wed. I found
Speaker 8: out a situation. Make sure they're full.
Speaker 5: If they're full, you don't have to do this lifting
Speaker 5: and jumping.
Speaker 1: All we had to.
Speaker 5: Do is move them along and full and they'll dry
Speaker 5: drop in the hole.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: Because there's a strategy there, a strategy to it. You
Speaker 1: gotta find the strategy to these games. That's how you win.
Speaker 1: That's who we found out for sure.
Speaker 5: His son says, no, wait, let's do it this way,
Speaker 5: and this is a fool is a full one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a full one. So we can go ahead
Speaker 1: and just teg it down and let it Are you
Speaker 1: talking about back? You're tut it down.
Speaker 8: Drag it down, ding ding ding.
Speaker 1: Here we come with the lotus stuff. You're talking about
Speaker 1: the claw machines.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's one claw machine, clow machine.
Speaker 1: They love the claw machines, my kids.
Speaker 8: That's what that's what we're talking all about.
Speaker 1: The class. In fact, I don't know if you've seen
Speaker 1: these yet, Chuck, but there's entire YouTube channels dedicated to
Speaker 1: people in these arcades, like Dave and Busters and all that.
Speaker 1: But they're mainly doing the crane games, and they just
Speaker 1: do videos where for like forty minutes they're playing crane
Speaker 1: games in arcade place.
Speaker 2: They dedicate themselves to like everything. Yeah, any any thing
Speaker 2: you can imagine people could do. There are video there
Speaker 2: were YouTube channels devoted to it. Absolutely, I've seen that
Speaker 2: with the Crane games and what is the other thing?
Speaker 2: You know those ski ball skey ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah, ski balls? Yeah, I haven't seen those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. Food and Games Chain, which also owns Peter Piper,
Speaker 2: is reportedly exploring a sale three years after it emerged
Speaker 2: from bankruptcy. That's Chuck E Cheese. They went bankrupt three
Speaker 2: years ago and they're exploring sales now. And most stores
Speaker 2: are closed.
Speaker 1: I swear there's one in Corona here that's still open
Speaker 1: with Chuck Cheese. Yeah, that's still open over there, Uncle,
Speaker 1: we went there. We went there, I think in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. I swear we went there in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at photos of it the other day.
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty twenty two. Is still open? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the one down there on McKinley, Oh yeah, that's open.
Speaker 1: It's still open. Yes, we will investigate this stuff over there.
Speaker 1: I want to go wig over there. I want to
Speaker 1: see what's going on. He still open. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: oh what's going on? But a little cash on me California, California.
Speaker 1: We make things happen here. Okay, chuck e cheese. It's
Speaker 1: that closed.
Speaker 6: But I think we're there. The evil star Breaker was
Speaker 6: taken over everything. Carls Junior is popping up everywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's crazy how many of those things
Speaker 1: there are they pop up. Yeah, it's I don't understand
Speaker 1: how Carls Junior does, but it does because I don't
Speaker 1: even know how many people go to it.
Speaker 8: Honestly, there in the business, them in business.
Speaker 5: But I mean, I'm never scene a fast food service
Speaker 5: ever yet.
Speaker 1: Didn't poke down. I mean, you haven't seen one yet, the.
Speaker 5: Point down, Like you got Kinds that's good king that's
Speaker 5: still hooking, and even on piece that that that has
Speaker 5: the meat still still kicking.
Speaker 2: You haven't lived in a bed enough neighborhood yet, because
Speaker 2: what happens is you're you got Kentucky probably Chicken on
Speaker 2: one corner, you got McDonald's on another, you got Burger
Speaker 2: King on another. Taco Bell comes in and Burger King
Speaker 2: goes out. That's what happens in bad neighborhoods. They compete
Speaker 2: and choke out the market from each other.
Speaker 1: Well, then that's that's the key. That is the key, Chuck.
Speaker 2: That is it.
Speaker 5: They fight each other is to the death.
Speaker 6: I want to ask you, Chuck, because your location and
Speaker 6: I want to ask you a question. When you go
Speaker 6: to McDonald's, do you ever get warm burgers or food
Speaker 6: even in a timely manner? No, my guess with.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. The McDonald's that's near here, and you
Speaker 2: can ask me Pete next Friday is one of the
Speaker 2: worst McDonald's ever.
Speaker 6: No, this is typical. I've noticed this. Anytime I want
Speaker 6: to know what a city's like, the first thing I
Speaker 6: do is go to McDonald's. That's what I did in Toledo.
Speaker 6: That's what I did, all right. I was like, well,
Speaker 6: I got to be in Toledo for like the next year,
Speaker 6: so I want to see And I'll tell you what
Speaker 6: I tested McDonald's that I went there three days. Every
Speaker 6: single time, the food was cold, the fries got the
Speaker 6: old dunk backed in the hot grease trick. Well, this
Speaker 6: is garbage, all right.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the fries are hot here. Sometimes you can get
Speaker 2: lucky and the fries are hot, but nothing thing else
Speaker 2: ever is. And you know the other thing. They can't
Speaker 2: stack their burgers correctly. Every time you get a burger
Speaker 2: from this place. The meats all the way off to
Speaker 2: one side, the cheese over on what it's It looks
Speaker 2: like somebody blindfolded themselves before they stacked the burger. It's
Speaker 2: almost as if a crap Yeah, kind of searing up.
Speaker 2: Sear enough.
Speaker 6: Mike's tests, Uh, pretty conclusive that you go to any
Speaker 6: place if you're thinking of moving there, go to McDonald's
Speaker 6: and you'll find that's how everything runs right down to
Speaker 6: the constabulary.
Speaker 2: How mm hmm.
Speaker 6: You're right, that's your work, your work epic of the area.
Speaker 5: Do you know I'm beginning to believe this fast food
Speaker 5: crazy crap one. I think now I think the bena
Speaker 5: one is in and out.
Speaker 8: They have apprendice dos lunch and just eat in and out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have those.
Speaker 5: And they have a they have a hamburg with uh
Speaker 5: a lettuce forget it, built the bread. We don't need
Speaker 5: to eat the bread repete sakes. Get this one. What
Speaker 5: a postyle postyle food? And man, then that's more delicious
Speaker 5: than having a handbag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have those here.
Speaker 1: We don't have Yeah, that's California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not just California. Somebody was gonna buy me.
Speaker 2: Somebody was gonna buy me one in Texas. So I
Speaker 2: know they exist in Texas, but I never got it.
Speaker 2: And uh, anybody I know that's been in California, they
Speaker 2: go all, you got to come out of here. You
Speaker 2: know what, I'll take you to the In and Out Burger.
Speaker 2: You'll be happy.
Speaker 8: You want to do a favorite psychic, you want to
Speaker 8: do a.
Speaker 1: Favor, favor, mail him in and out. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: you a favor of our Chuck. We're gonna bail you
Speaker 1: a hamburger.
Speaker 2: If you could figure out how to do it, you
Speaker 2: know what, it'll still be warmer than the McDonald's burger
Speaker 2: over here. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to see how you taste, and
Speaker 5: then if you get it, let us know how you
Speaker 5: feel about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, and you know, well, I would love to
Speaker 2: see you guys come to Texas. Man, meet me down there.
Speaker 2: Maybe we could have a burger there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we shall see. I I don't know about the
Speaker 1: Texas thing, to be quite honest, Chuck, I understand going
Speaker 1: on going on a cruise. Yeah, I know that we
Speaker 1: could do something. I'll take a look at it, but
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's it he's already got his vacation blocked up
Speaker 2: for his cruise. Can't take another one.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we're not We're not the rest
Speaker 1: of the family. Oh, it's a different time where not
Speaker 1: even going. I don't want to go. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of factors that play totally. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep it at maybe I'm gonna keep it at maybe.
Speaker 2: I don't know. This is a I understand. My daughter
Speaker 2: was trying to tell me she wanted to come down there,
Speaker 2: you know, go down the same time as me, but
Speaker 2: she won't leave her dog home alone. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, look, I'm not gonna deal with that.
Speaker 1: We got a neighbor. We got a neighbor. We can
Speaker 1: have helped the dogs and stuff if he wanted to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, as long as she lives near
Speaker 2: North Carolina, it'll be perfect. I'm not gonna joke my
Speaker 2: daughter with the dog and she's in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of this is a cross country experience, uncle,
Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts, you know, not literally literally,
Speaker 1: there would be to pull it off. I wish that
Speaker 1: was in driving distance. If it was driving just that
Speaker 1: a driving trip entices me so much more, first of all,
Speaker 1: than a damn airplane trip.
Speaker 2: I tried to well, if I can convince them, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm going by car. But if you know, if we
Speaker 2: ever have a conference in Vegas, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vegas is easy. Yeahga. Texas is a different story.
Speaker 1: But Vegas.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like, oh I know. I mean you
Speaker 2: could do Vegas, no problem.
Speaker 5: Maybe like six six hour drive maybe, yeah, something like that,
Speaker 5: six five and six something.
Speaker 1: No, no, No, Vegas is less than that. I think.
Speaker 1: Really it's like maybe four from where you are. Four
Speaker 1: I want to say four.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it takes longer longer to get to San
Speaker 1: Francisco than it does to Vegas for us. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe at six. I don't know, I've been I don't
Speaker 1: go out there very It's been forever since i've been
Speaker 1: out there. I can't remember whatever. I don't go many
Speaker 1: places these days.
Speaker 2: Oh. I think we lost Jimmy. We did, Hey Jimmy,
Speaker 2: what do you say? Yeah, he's gone?
Speaker 1: What happened to him?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just looked over he's gone.
Speaker 1: Well we uncle. We have Sally in the chat? Anybody
Speaker 1: else on the rings?
Speaker 8: And who's listening, chick, Well, nobody else.
Speaker 2: Is on the rings, but I can find out who's
Speaker 2: listening because I don't have the crash computer problem like
Speaker 2: we did that week. So hold on, I'll find out
Speaker 2: were you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Sally is in the chat at YouTube
Speaker 1: and she's saying it takes two hours or less to
Speaker 1: get from LA to Las Vegas. See, so it's even
Speaker 1: less than I'm thinking. Oh geez, it doesn't take long
Speaker 1: to get out there, it really doesn't. It takes forever
Speaker 1: to get to San Francisco, which people think that's next door.
Speaker 1: That takes six hours to get up there. That's a
Speaker 1: six hours.
Speaker 2: Well, Sally, find out how much how long it takes
Speaker 2: to get from LA to Dallas.
Speaker 1: Oh, LA to Dallas takes a minute.
Speaker 10: That's takes a minute, more than five hours, Kenneth Ey, Yeah,
Speaker 10: before I don't know something something like that, i'd say, well.
Speaker 2: Well, well, okay, we have three listeners in Canada, we
Speaker 2: have all night tonight. They turned us on right right
Speaker 2: when my show went live, and they've been live the
Speaker 2: whole rest of the time.
Speaker 1: Germany, we got too many company.
Speaker 2: I think that's that. I think that's that pub again.
Speaker 2: Drink up boys.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh man, let's see, that's where we all
Speaker 1: need to travel to the German pub. Well, you forget Dallas,
Speaker 1: that's Lamesville.
Speaker 2: I got you. But that restaurant puts on ocelly dot
Speaker 2: com radio and leaves it on for like two three
Speaker 2: days sometimes.
Speaker 1: That's my point. Any place that does that must be
Speaker 1: an interesting place. He say, that place needs places we
Speaker 1: need to go to.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's funny. You got something there.
Speaker 1: What is their motivation to do this? I like it,
Speaker 1: but I want to I want to interview you know.
Speaker 2: I want to know too. I would love to get
Speaker 2: an email or you know, or something or look, I'll
Speaker 2: figure out a way. I can call you on Skype.
Speaker 2: I have Skype credits and I can call internationally if
Speaker 2: need be. We can call them into the show.
Speaker 5: Well, let's let us do something. I got an idea
Speaker 5: for next week. All right, let's try what you just said.
Speaker 5: Try to cool them in and see what they say
Speaker 5: how you like us should?
Speaker 2: But I need a phone number. See, I don't have
Speaker 2: their phone number.
Speaker 1: How do you find that out?
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I just have you know, they're there,
Speaker 2: they're a listener. I don't know. There's no way to
Speaker 2: You can't get a phone number off of that. They
Speaker 2: would have to call us or email me. Email me,
Speaker 2: give me a phone number. I'll call you so you
Speaker 2: don't have to an international rate.
Speaker 5: The question is, though, is to get to them to
Speaker 5: get the message and to come to get you a message.
Speaker 8: They have the habit off of you saying it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: All they gotta do is if they hear me say this,
Speaker 2: and they send me an email with a phone number, Okay,
Speaker 2: give me the German phone number. I will call them
Speaker 2: during the show and I'll put them in. That's it.
Speaker 2: But I don't have a phone number to call. They
Speaker 2: gotta send me a phone number and I'll call it.
Speaker 1: You gotta figure this out, so anyway, freas on how
Speaker 1: to do that?
Speaker 2: Three listeners in Canada.
Speaker 5: I want to listen to guys in a conversation. I'm
Speaker 5: pretty sure we'll have a good conversation.
Speaker 1: Why I don't need to make this even more confusing
Speaker 1: than already is. But Sally said it would be two
Speaker 1: hours from La to Vegas in a bullet train, So
Speaker 1: it is longer where it's like four hours or something.
Speaker 2: Well, bullet train two hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that fast of a bullet is it.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the bullet that. But that's even
Speaker 1: if they make the damn thing, which they probably won't,
Speaker 1: So don't hold your breath.
Speaker 2: On another Elon Musk project.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't need Elon Musk to not do things
Speaker 1: around these parts.
Speaker 8: Eon Mush is the Devil's fool.
Speaker 1: He's with him.
Speaker 8: Man, when I hoot him to him, you don't like that,
Speaker 8: I hear them non.
Speaker 1: Just just saying say uncle. At the end of the
Speaker 1: show here, well we have a guess.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, No, Jimmy's Jimmy's gone. He hung up?
Speaker 1: What the henk happened to him? I told you, Sally says,
Speaker 1: the bullet train is happening. I've heard from people that
Speaker 1: they're working on too. I've actually heard tell that the
Speaker 1: next Olympics it's gonna be in l A. Is sort
Speaker 1: of speed rushing the train project into being, and.
Speaker 8: That probably will instill that one it comes out.
Speaker 1: That's another story for another day. Uncle, this is the
Speaker 1: end of the show. Should we do shout outs before
Speaker 1: we go? Do you want to shout anybody out?
Speaker 8: And just to the listeners, an the outside listeners?
Speaker 1: But he get in touch with it. You shout out
Speaker 1: to Germany, Jiminy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, shout out to you, Jeminy. And hopefully you can
Speaker 5: hand us then number to give to me and and
Speaker 5: a sign in for my show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, send you your German phone number. I will gladly
Speaker 2: call you during the show and bring you on so
Speaker 2: you can tell us what's going on. Why are you
Speaker 2: listening to Chelly dot com radio in the restaurant? Are
Speaker 2: you playing it for everybody who's eating or drinking or
Speaker 2: what are you doing? It's a pub, I know, but
Speaker 2: it's got.
Speaker 8: Food, right, it's kinda had food.
Speaker 2: Can we say that Uncle and Aaron are good for
Speaker 2: the digestion?
Speaker 1: Huh? What he must be? We must be listening to
Speaker 1: us And shout out to Count Pupper who is in
Speaker 1: the chat. To Sally that's in the chat. Creative Accents
Speaker 1: was in their earlier Thanks everybody for being here in
Speaker 1: the live stream. Thank you anybody who happened to see
Speaker 1: this on Twitter X. We're doing pretty good over there
Speaker 1: with the stream. That's really the reason I have the
Speaker 1: damn blue check mark is for the live streaming. The
Speaker 1: live streaming. I'm really enjoying Uncle, well, I really love it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, the VCR all this stuff, there's more
Speaker 1: stuff I want to do to like play around with it.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have the show for this weekend.
Speaker 1: You're sure going to have the show for this weekend.
Speaker 8: Comedy show out for another show on my show?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we should. We should be doing a
Speaker 1: live stream of the VHS watch party. Maybe we'll switch
Speaker 1: it up with a video game one. But I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the VHS. Uncle, I think so maybe
Speaker 1: we'll do both.
Speaker 8: I said.
Speaker 5: I feel like, I said, let's go to the stores
Speaker 5: and like we've been discussing in my hour, let me
Speaker 5: get the arcade get the arcade stuff, okay, and just.
Speaker 8: Have it here so we won't have to let.
Speaker 1: What I want to get it here. I have it
Speaker 1: set up. I have a very small technical issue with
Speaker 1: the controllers and the Nintendo games am I set up here?
Speaker 1: I have I have to unplug something. Well, it's it's
Speaker 1: a long story. It's make a long story short. It's
Speaker 1: difficult for me to plug two controllers onto my setup
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yes, unfortunately, I'm trying to remedy that,
Speaker 1: but I haven't yet.
Speaker 5: Well, you have to figure it out before then, before
Speaker 5: we have to go looking for the things though, But
Speaker 5: I'm just saying we can go shopping. They not use
Speaker 5: them yet, yeah yeah, and just have them on hand,
Speaker 5: That's all I am ass, So we can go looking
Speaker 5: and just.
Speaker 1: To do that. Thanks everybody. Making sure you press the
Speaker 1: buttons at Uncle podcast on you to twitch, uh something else.
Speaker 1: I'm getting really tired and my brain's not working Uncle.
Speaker 1: The podcast dot com website that's getting tired people, Cake
Speaker 1: is getting tired over here. I'm tired, but you're you're
Speaker 1: charged up? Uncle, Why bring bring us on for the drink?
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