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<v Speaker 1>Good to see you. Yeah, you're wearing the same shirt

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<v Speaker 1>you were wearing last time.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a very limited wardrobe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we are now in mid I want you to imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>close your eyes and imagine we are in mid March. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a very successful live event, although because of

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<v Speaker 1>some warp in the space time continuum, we can't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to summon the memory of that experience, but it did

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<v Speaker 1>indeed happen, and we are convening to talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>guys today about how to enter the spring season. Engaged,

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<v Speaker 1>excited about your fitness athletic journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you made it through the winter, right, and you

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<v Speaker 2>start somehow come out of the cave and it's spring,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're excited that the work you put in is

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<v Speaker 2>now starting to be able to be used outside this

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<v Speaker 2>thing called fresh air, and your skin is actually touching

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<v Speaker 2>sun versus being layered up.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, careful though, because March is a very tricky

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<v Speaker 1>time of year for people that live, particularly in the Northeast,

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<v Speaker 1>because you think, because it's March that winter is over,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's still a couple last gasps grown before those

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<v Speaker 1>flowers bloom. I don't want to get too much false

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<v Speaker 1>hope here that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the classic scene that you see in late

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<v Speaker 2>March on in the northeast. One day it's sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>seventy and everybody's out running without their shirts on Central Park,

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<v Speaker 2>and then two days later there's a snowstorm.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, bless him. Yeah, good for that. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we took your advice, Chris, and we got through

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<v Speaker 1>those winter months staying engaged as consistent as we could

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<v Speaker 1>with releasing that pressure that we put on ourselves to

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<v Speaker 1>be perfect. It's time to go outside. It's time to

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<v Speaker 1>start thinking a little bit more precisely about that race

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<v Speaker 1>that we've got our eye on, or perhaps the one

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<v Speaker 1>that we're just now summoning the courage to sign up for.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye and spring is on the horizon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here we are, And now it's more about what

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<v Speaker 2>did I do over the winter that now will translate

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<v Speaker 2>to the outside, right, and how do I reward myself

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<v Speaker 2>with the hard work and the consistency that I put

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<v Speaker 2>in and put forth an event that I'm excited about

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm a little bit fearful of that will really

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<v Speaker 2>challenge me. But then also it's going to be fun

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm really happy be on this end. Of the

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<v Speaker 2>winter in this case of having done the work and

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm really excited to go do it, Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>now on the horizon, it's six, eight, twelve weeks away,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's powerful. Now we can feel it, now,

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<v Speaker 2>we can sense where we have the ability to train

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<v Speaker 2>for it. We don't know we can do it yet, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but we know we've put in good time and that

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<v Speaker 2>we're sort of going to have that slingshot effect out

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<v Speaker 2>of the winter and push us forward to do something

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<v Speaker 2>that we haven't done for right, something scary, something exciting

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<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the mistakes that we want to avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one is to write off more than we can chew. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>We've made it through the hours of the winter, which

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<v Speaker 2>are always limited, and now because it's the spring and

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<v Speaker 2>the days are getting longer, we think we'll have more

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<v Speaker 2>hours magically available. Right, the schedule will free up. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't work like that unfortunately as Masters athletes, So we

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<v Speaker 2>want to be careful not to add too many more

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<v Speaker 2>hours to our training that we think will be able

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and then that create a false reality and

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<v Speaker 2>then in a couple of weeks we're disappointed about what

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<v Speaker 2>we just signed up for. So Maybe it's a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>k instead of a fifty miler. Right, Maybe it's the

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<v Speaker 2>next progression from a fifty k to a fifty miler,

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<v Speaker 2>but not doing one hundred mile or one hundred k.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's a seventy point three instead of an iron man. Right. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>test the waters to see what you're capable of doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and gradually grow the schedule versus trying to all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden jump into a twenty hour week where all

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<v Speaker 2>winter you've gotten really good, your family's gotten good, your

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<v Speaker 2>work's gotten good around this routine and schedule that you've

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<v Speaker 2>created very diligently around ten hours. And we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to create any type of animosity in any respect and

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<v Speaker 2>any part of the three legged stool, as I say,

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<v Speaker 2>where they suddenly see, we'll owe now how the training

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<v Speaker 2>is really beginning. We knew it here it comes right.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want that now, you want that gentle sort

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<v Speaker 2>of all right, you know I'm going to go out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the gradual aspect of it is super important. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I've confronted this and my own experience

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<v Speaker 1>of coming into the spring months excited about the season

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and feeling engaged with my fitness and having to

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<v Speaker 1>resist the urge of going harder and going longer because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a beautiful day out right, and you've always been,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reeling me back and reeling me back against

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<v Speaker 1>my impulse, which is like I want to I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go. I want to go, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think you know, in retrospect, looking back on that, that

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<v Speaker 1>has been crucial in ensuring that I don't get injured

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<v Speaker 1>or I don't get burned out or overtrained. We together

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<v Speaker 1>were so careful in my ultraman training, years of airing

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<v Speaker 1>on the side of us to avoid injury, particularly with

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<v Speaker 1>run volume, like so careful and like being very incremental

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<v Speaker 1>and diligent about not doing too much running too soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's important. Again, we want longevity, right, and we

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<v Speaker 2>want you to be in this for a while and

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<v Speaker 2>in order to build that volume, that foundation ever so gradually.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way that works is if you're actually able

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<v Speaker 2>to do it healthy right, and that keeps you motivated,

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<v Speaker 2>that keeps you excited, It keeps the confidence growing for

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<v Speaker 2>your event. And again you're out there doing it, so

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<v Speaker 2>the more you're out there doing it, you can have

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<v Speaker 2>your own sensations avoiding injury is key, but also, as

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying, avoiding creating tension around your training. Many

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<v Speaker 2>of us have been in situations. I definitely have been

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<v Speaker 2>in situations where I'm out there wondering what I should

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<v Speaker 2>be doing at work right now, or wondering, actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>should have been home right now for my family like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're compromised. We're not going to have as

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<v Speaker 2>good of a training session because we're not as focused

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<v Speaker 2>and diligent about it. We might even cut it short

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<v Speaker 2>and we're still not there at work and family. So

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<v Speaker 2>now everything is done only fifty percent as well as

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<v Speaker 2>we could have. So a gradual build creates those those boundaries,

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<v Speaker 2>and it creates that patience and that tolerance by everything

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<v Speaker 2>in your world around you. In order to well in

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy, sustainable way, maybe grow the volume or just

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<v Speaker 2>do a better, stronger, faster, smarter in the limited hours

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<v Speaker 2>that you do have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Reires, We've talked about this before, but it requires

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<v Speaker 1>a different kind of discipline, the discipline of restraint, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which sometimes, at least I know for myself, can be

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<v Speaker 1>harder than the discipline of going hard. You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem getting up early and getting

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<v Speaker 1>after it. Like, I'm not challenged in my motivation with

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<v Speaker 1>respect to that, but I am challenged in holding back

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<v Speaker 1>when I feel good or when I have the free

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<v Speaker 1>time on this particular day. But it's not my best

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<v Speaker 1>interest physical preparation wise, to you know, let that horse

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<v Speaker 1>out of the barn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you touched on two things. That one

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely There are days in the schedule where I

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<v Speaker 2>tell all my athletes, if you have more time today,

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<v Speaker 2>Today is a good day for that, right you have

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<v Speaker 2>the week leading up this is an endurance week. We're over.

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<v Speaker 2>We're adding extra volume, low intensity all this week to

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<v Speaker 2>get extra hours in. So there's times for that. There's

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<v Speaker 2>other times absolutely where we need to show restraint. But

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<v Speaker 2>the first part that you said is I feel good today,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go harder. That's very most often actually

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<v Speaker 2>a bad idea because there's an intent and a purpose

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<v Speaker 2>to that workout and blowing it out just because you

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<v Speaker 2>feel good now compromises many workouts down the road. It

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<v Speaker 2>feels so good, it feels it's it's a temporary hit

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<v Speaker 2>and then you pay the price down the road. Whereas

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<v Speaker 2>we have maybe a workout in three or four days

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<v Speaker 2>where it's way more important to do that intensity, to

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<v Speaker 2>do that harder effort, to do that higher speed, and

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<v Speaker 2>by blowing it out today because it felt so good

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<v Speaker 2>is never the ideal. I answer, right, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>see how that fits into the bigger picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm lucky enough to have somebody like you to

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<v Speaker 1>hold me back or to hold me to a certain

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<v Speaker 1>kind of plan. Most people don't have the luxury of

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<v Speaker 1>working with a coach. So for the people that are

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<v Speaker 1>listening who have a goal, fitness goal, a race, they're

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<v Speaker 1>preparing for some kind of challenge, who are out there

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure it out on their own, how can

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<v Speaker 1>you counsel them to best navigate these treacherous waters of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what's best on a particular day

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<v Speaker 1>to day.

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<v Speaker 2>For much of that I have them, I always suggest

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<v Speaker 2>write down your intentions for the week ahead, one long bike,

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<v Speaker 2>one short bike, one high intensity bike, let's say, one

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<v Speaker 2>long run, one short run, one high intensity run, so

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<v Speaker 2>that you have a skeleton for the week of what

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<v Speaker 2>you want to accomplish. And then a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>how you schedule that depends on a your own life schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say maybe the weather, but also how you lead

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<v Speaker 2>into the week of well, I need that. Everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>for intensity, I can't be completely shelled and exhausted. So

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<v Speaker 2>once you put that intention into it, and you've done

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<v Speaker 2>that a few weeks in a row or a few

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<v Speaker 2>times where you've seen it done successfully, then you get

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<v Speaker 2>better at sort of putting that skeleton together for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we've talked about before with regards to a journal,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, then, okay, last time, after an intense workout,

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<v Speaker 2>I needed two days so that I actually enjoyed the

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<v Speaker 2>workout again, that long run or that long ride. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many athletes that I come across in training

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<v Speaker 2>logs where they wonder why they were cranky and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy their long ride because they shuffled the week around

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<v Speaker 2>and put the high intensity the day before a long ride,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're just miserable. Right, and now you're out

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<v Speaker 2>there for four or five hours on a bike and

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<v Speaker 2>you're already tired the first few pedal strokes. It just

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<v Speaker 2>sets you up for not enjoying the training as much

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<v Speaker 2>as you can, as well as it should be, because

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<v Speaker 2>some of the best athletes in the world, they love

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<v Speaker 2>their training the way it's structured because they know their

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<v Speaker 2>bodies responding to each one of them and they feel

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<v Speaker 1>What are the are there, like resources that you can

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<v Speaker 1>point people towards who are attempting to get ready for

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<v Speaker 1>a certain kind of race. Like I'm just thinking, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to live in the mind of somebody who's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of new to all of this, like doesn't even really

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily know what periodization is or even how to like

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<v Speaker 1>why one long ride a week and not to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like just the very basics of how to approach whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's an obstacle course race or a five k or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the twenty nine to zero twenty nine or

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<v Speaker 1>something brand new. Where do people Where can people just

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<v Speaker 1>learn the fundamentals about how to approach these sorts of challenges.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of it can be found online right and

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<v Speaker 2>just continue to grow from there. So let's say it

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<v Speaker 2>four to thirty minute workouts with a couple of stretching

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<v Speaker 2>exercises and so forth. Well, you don't have to do

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<v Speaker 2>But again, keep yourself from judging yourself too harshly on

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<v Speaker 2>It's yours and it's your own special time. So use

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<v Speaker 2>that to say, this is my intention for today, this

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that sound advice. I mean one of

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<v Speaker 1>and like every week you can go faster in the

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<v Speaker 1>a similar experience when as a master athlete you get

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<v Speaker 1>quick results. But at a certain point that curve is

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<v Speaker 1>going to taper a little bit and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be You can't like go hard every day. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>to this, thinking like, well, I'm not getting better, or

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<v Speaker 1>those purposes are not always going to be It's not

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, It's like a puzzle, right. I Mean, some

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<v Speaker 2>puzzle pieces are nicely the outside pieces, they really fit nicely,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can see what the puzzle is going to

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<v Speaker 2>look like right based off the outside edges. But then

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<v Speaker 2>these individual puzzle pieces that you put into this thousand

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<v Speaker 2>piece puzzle, they might not mean any but they're a

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<v Speaker 2>image will be when it's done. And that's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>how workouts work right those puzzle pieces they have to

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<v Speaker 2>fit right there, otherwise it's not going to fit into

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<v Speaker 2>the picture that you're going to end up with in

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<v Speaker 2>the end. And our first races, in our first few

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<v Speaker 2>But then the hard work begins all the individual pieces

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of you start the grind of those little

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<v Speaker 1>And I think also when you're new and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything, you're going to be more likely to want

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<v Speaker 1>to adhere to whatever program you got off the internet

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<v Speaker 1>or in some book because you don't know anything different.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you progress, if you are doing the journaling

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind of introspect to work of connecting with

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<v Speaker 1>yourself to really gauge how you feel and how this

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<v Speaker 1>experience what it's like to push the edge here, hold

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<v Speaker 1>back here, and gauge how your body respondses.

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll know your body well enough that you know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm overdoing it today, but I know the next two

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<v Speaker 2>to three days, I'm going to pay for it and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go easier. And I know enough about my body.

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned from it. I know how to listen to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it works out well like this. I mean a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of athletes trained by the weather right because let's

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<v Speaker 2>say they're outside athletes. They don't have treadmills or a

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<v Speaker 2>gym membership. So today it's going to rain, Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to run today, I'm going to swim because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be out on the bike in the rain.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it's sunny tomorrow, so I'm going to do my

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<v Speaker 2>long ride tomorrow. And it actually doesn't fit that well,

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<v Speaker 2>but they'll modify well enough through the week in order

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<v Speaker 2>to get it done right. And I tell a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of my athletes the first step is to get the

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<v Speaker 2>week done how it's written right. That's idea in a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect world. But then beyond that, get the totals of

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<v Speaker 2>the week done, all right, shuffle around, make sure the

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<v Speaker 2>order is not too much quality in a row. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you can get the sixteen hours done like that

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<v Speaker 2>versus how I wrote it, that's fine as long as

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<v Speaker 2>we keep the principles of not too much quality in

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<v Speaker 2>a row. And then we start pulling out pieces if

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<v Speaker 2>they can't even make that right where it's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's take that easy run out of there, and just

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<v Speaker 2>to make it a complete rest day. Let's take that

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<v Speaker 2>easy swim out of there, make it a complete rest day,

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<v Speaker 2>or sleep in that morning so that you're just getting

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<v Speaker 2>Because again, at the end of the day, it's about

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we're successfully still moving forward, getting the key

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<v Speaker 2>concepts in. And then next week, when life freeze up

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit and there's less stress on us, then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get in at all. We'll get it all in again, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I say so often training should not be an additional

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<v Speaker 2>stressor in your life. Right. You do this to get

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<v Speaker 2>away from stresses, to exhale, to de stress and connect

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<v Speaker 2>with yourself and self care and go inside. So if

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<v Speaker 2>training creates the stress, you're not going to have that outcome,

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<v Speaker 2>and over time you're going to avoid that stress and

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<v Speaker 2>then you're not working out.

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<v Speaker 1>That explains how I've navigated this past fall and winter.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were joking at the outset about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nice to see you again, because we're taping back to

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<v Speaker 1>back episodes. It's actually November twenty seventh, the same day

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<v Speaker 1>we tape the last Coach's Corner, and yeah, No, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to take this opportunity to kind of talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what this experience has been like for me and to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about kind of what you're getting ready for this

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<v Speaker 1>year because I made a conscious decision to not race

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<v Speaker 1>this past year to focus on other areas of my

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<v Speaker 1>life that I felt needed my full attention or more

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<v Speaker 1>of my attention, I should say, because to train intensely

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<v Speaker 1>towards a specific fitness or race goal would I knew

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<v Speaker 1>well enough, would create more stress than I could manage

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<v Speaker 1>at the time given my other goals in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I just said, I'm not going to put

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<v Speaker 1>that pressure on myself. I've stayed engaged with my fitness,

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<v Speaker 1>but it certainly hasn't been structured or formalized in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm happy with that decision because I've made a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of progress in other areas of my life that

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be focused on. But I'm also not.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I like it when I feel super fit.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it when I'm ready to go, and I

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<v Speaker 1>miss that and I'm anxious to get back to that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm putting a book in front of him right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That is sort of where your expectations need to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>be adjusted to you rich right, Like, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to win these events or be at the top or

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<v Speaker 2>represent as your old self to still take part in

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<v Speaker 1>Did I give you the impression that I was delusional?

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<v Speaker 2>I just know you're an athlete through and through, and

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<v Speaker 2>for you to put challenges out there, you have been

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<v Speaker 2>successful in the past with getting it done, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know you add extra pressure of with your life schedule

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth. But it doesn't have to be quite

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<v Speaker 2>on switch off switch, And your off switch doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>you're not doing anything. It means you're still running and

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<v Speaker 2>cycling occasionally and of course swimming. But where you work

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<v Speaker 2>progressively towards something, there's a healthy medium in between.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what this is what has eluded me my

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<v Speaker 1>entire life. And spills over into every facet of how

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<v Speaker 1>I live, which is trying to find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>approach these things in a more balanced way where I

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<v Speaker 1>can where I let go of that because I have

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<v Speaker 1>this thing where it's like, I don't want to show

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<v Speaker 1>up at a race unless I'm a one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent and that's just yeah, it's ego, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole number of things, and that's my That's the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger mountain to climb than to train super hard for

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one you want to lean into. That's going

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<v Speaker 2>to make you uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Will super uncomfortable I show up like, oh, I only trained,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at sixty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm still show exactly to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would do most of them, the vast.

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<v Speaker 2>Majority exactly right. So I think there's an opportunity there

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<v Speaker 2>for something where you might want to explore that.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit. I know, this is what this is what, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is what I wanted to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's where it becomes interesting too, where it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, as I've said in the past, helping

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<v Speaker 2>you navigate through that schedule, we've tested it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit a few times, and also for Atillo. We definitely

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<v Speaker 2>did test it, but again we had a vision of

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<v Speaker 2>how well we wanted to do, we wanted to represent

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<v Speaker 2>well and so forth. We had talked about that. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a space there where we can have

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<v Speaker 2>you fit enough that you feel really good about who

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<v Speaker 2>you are competing at that given event. And I said

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<v Speaker 2>to you earlier, I would never put you into an

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<v Speaker 2>environment where it's the super measured like everybody like robots

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<v Speaker 2>competing the event. That's not who you are, but something

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<v Speaker 2>that you feel challenged by, that you respect, but also

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<v Speaker 2>that you feel really fit and good about going into

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<v Speaker 2>not your best right and you know you in the

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<v Speaker 2>past would have done more, but you go, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>this is who I am now. This is the fittest

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<v Speaker 2>I can be given my life, my age, my circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. It's like I just get uncomfortable even talking

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<v Speaker 1>switch guy, whether it's doing the podcast or writing a

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<v Speaker 1>book or being a parent. Like I liked, I go

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<v Speaker 2>A good no. They say, there's a lot on the

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's what they say about in that book Drive

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel pink Any. He talks about when we reward and

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<v Speaker 2>focus motivationally on one thing, we miss a lot of

423
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<v Speaker 2>the opportunities that come along with it on the periphery.

424
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<v Speaker 2>And this is the same thing for you, where you

425
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<v Speaker 2>might be surprised how good you are when you're asked

426
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<v Speaker 2>to apply all your fitness, knowledge, strategy intelligence to do

427
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<v Speaker 2>the event versus just knowing you've trained outtrained your the

428
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<v Speaker 2>others right, and I think you're knowledge and your experience

429
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.480
<v Speaker 2>and doing this for many, many years, I think you'd

430
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<v Speaker 2>be surprised how much better you'd be than what you

431
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<v Speaker 2>think you would not be right at the event, as

432
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<v Speaker 2>well as how much you would enjoy it because without

433
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<v Speaker 2>any pressure, without any type of like, I can only

434
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<v Speaker 2>be who I am here at this starting line, right,

435
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<v Speaker 2>and that'd be fun.

436
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<v Speaker 1>That is Yeah, it's weird how I interpret that as

437
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<v Speaker 1>a greater challenge than to go all in preparing for

438
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<v Speaker 1>a race, because that I know how to do.

439
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<v Speaker 2>That's our younger stand of ourselves.

440
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Right, it's a younger version, but it's also it's

441
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.480
<v Speaker 1>a mentality thing, right, and you as an Olympian, like

442
00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:46.880
<v Speaker 1>if I say to you, Chris, you're going to go

443
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<v Speaker 1>to this race, but you're only allowed to train, you know,

444
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<v Speaker 1>eight hours a week.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Now, you know, I've done a few travels like that, right,

446
00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:01.440
<v Speaker 2>falling into the anonymity of the field is there's something

447
00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:03.960
<v Speaker 2>very liberating about that and.

448
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Completely let go.

449
00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:07.960
<v Speaker 2>You can completely let go and you feel your body

450
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<v Speaker 2>just sort of exhaling and absorbing the day. And it

451
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<v Speaker 2>was the same thing with Attillo for us. I had

452
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<v Speaker 2>an amazing experience at a Tillo when we had to

453
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<v Speaker 2>walk a lot.

454
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I forced you to let go but expectations.

455
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<v Speaker 2>But we still I experienced that day totally different than

456
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<v Speaker 2>if we had been with blinders on the whole time. Right.

457
00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:32.680
<v Speaker 2>And I've had quite a few adventures like that where

458
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.599
<v Speaker 2>it's like, had I just tried to grind it out

459
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:37.839
<v Speaker 2>from the very beginning, I would have met the people

460
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<v Speaker 2>I've met. Right. Twenty nine twenty nine, I did that

461
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<v Speaker 2>event in Utah. One of the best experiences about that

462
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<v Speaker 2>I should describe what it is. Yeah, it's basically they

463
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<v Speaker 2>rent out a resort for a weekend and the challenge

464
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<v Speaker 2>by the twenty nine twenty nine group.

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<v Speaker 1>I could say it's Jesse, it's Larry. He's been on

466
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<v Speaker 1>the podcast a couple times. Yes, his company, and he's

467
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<v Speaker 1>got a team and they rent out these mountains.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the snow basin in this and so you hike

469
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<v Speaker 2>up the mountain from the base to the top and

470
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<v Speaker 2>they take the gondola down and you save your legs

471
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's brilliant, and you bet get to ascend

472
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<v Speaker 2>to whatever mountain top you designate, all the way up to.

473
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Everest versus nine zero twenty nine exactly.

474
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<v Speaker 2>And so I did that event in August of this

475
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<v Speaker 2>past year. And sure, could I have done all thirteen ascents?

476
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it was thirteen or sixteen ascents, yes, but

477
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:42.359
<v Speaker 2>I chose not to because I wanted to get to

478
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.519
<v Speaker 2>meet the people going up the mountain every single time.

479
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>They weren't famous athletes, they weren't you know, they hadn't

480
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<v Speaker 2>trained for it. They put themselves completely into a vulnerable

481
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<v Speaker 2>place and tried one and then two and then four

482
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<v Speaker 2>or seven or ten ascents And getting to meet those

483
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:05.759
<v Speaker 2>people out there and taking my time and having nice

484
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>conversations with them. Was incredibly meaningful to me, and I

485
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.599
<v Speaker 2>still get emails from people thanking me and that it

486
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 2>was a great time because we got to connect as

487
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 2>humans as we were doing this endurance event.

488
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<v Speaker 1>That's cool. I'm so bommed I wasn't able to go.

489
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really would have.

490
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<v Speaker 1>It was fun to have gone. I definitely want to

491
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 1>go to I think that he's got two of them

492
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 1>coming up in twenty nineteen.

493
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<v Speaker 2>Vermont in Utah. And what's really cool about it is

494
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>because you take that gondola down, you save your legs,

495
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>you save your joints, you know, quads don't hurt the

496
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<v Speaker 2>next day. Nothing the part that well.

497
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<v Speaker 1>For you Because I know a lot of people who

498
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>who went and thought, well, this is gonna you get

499
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<v Speaker 1>to take the gondola down. It's like, how hard can

500
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<v Speaker 1>it be? Its and on.

501
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Our glutes because it's so steep at times that you're

502
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 2>hunched over sort of hiking up, pushing on your knees

503
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.559
<v Speaker 2>and legs to get up. So but it's different than

504
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 2>the pounding of downhill versus the stress of uphill, right,

505
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>But it's all very well run event, completely supported a

506
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of motivation, really cool unique things that they do

507
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:07.440
<v Speaker 2>about it.

508
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 1>And they create like a village at the base, right,

509
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 1>you stay in tents or something.

510
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Like that in these great yurts that are super comfortable,

511
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:20.680
<v Speaker 2>sort of pretty plush. It's glamping at its best. And yeah,

512
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and then meals and all that, and every time you

513
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.160
<v Speaker 2>come down the gondola, you stamp your name and a

514
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 2>brand with a branding iron your name or the logo

515
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>of the event next to your name of each time

516
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.559
<v Speaker 2>ascent you've made, and so when you get to the

517
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>top you get a special jersey for the final ascent

518
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.759
<v Speaker 2>and everybody cheers you on. It's really well run. It's

519
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:42.519
<v Speaker 2>a fun event.

520
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Yet did you do panels and things like that? Were

521
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you part of that?

522
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:50.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we were part of a nutrition panel, mindset panel,

523
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>training panel and all that cool. So that was a

524
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. But again, it was one of those

525
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.880
<v Speaker 2>events where you can come in not have a lot

526
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>of training and really exceed your expectations on what you're

527
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 2>capable of because you're with people who will want to

528
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 2>just see what they're capable of. You're not alone, you're

529
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.240
<v Speaker 2>not vulnerable, you're not embarrassed. You could just go do

530
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:17.000
<v Speaker 2>there's people who did one. There's people who ran sixteen

531
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.759
<v Speaker 2>of them or thirteen of them, and so there's the

532
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>whole spectrum of athletes. But everybody gets cheered and Jack

533
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>definitely unique.

534
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Was Colin O'Brady at that one? No oh he wasn't.

535
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:29.559
<v Speaker 1>I know, he did one of them.

536
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Probably the Vermont won the first no mass, no mass.

537
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 1>So he is, as we speak, trapesing across Antarctica unassisted.

538
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Talk about a curated adventures.

539
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he doesn't stop. I mean the guy

540
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>like you know, broke the Explorer's Grand Slam world record

541
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.279
<v Speaker 1>and then went into some other crazy speed record thing

542
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 1>and then went straight to Antarctica.

543
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like that's evable. Of course, that's an extreme example,

544
00:29:57.920 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>but this is what I like to get.

545
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Across the pers the most extreme.

546
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but how everybody has a new normal waiting for them. Right.

547
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.359
<v Speaker 2>You might be off the couch doing your first five k.

548
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:13.480
<v Speaker 2>You've done the five k and now you say, okay,

549
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.799
<v Speaker 2>I can do that. The new normal becomes let me

550
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:18.559
<v Speaker 2>go for a ten k, let me go for a

551
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>half marathon. You look back and go five k. Right,

552
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>so your new normal just continues to shift. Now, of course,

553
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 2>like you were talking about earlier. We all reach plateaus

554
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.440
<v Speaker 2>where the improvements aren't that dramatic. But our new normal

555
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.119
<v Speaker 2>is constantly moving. Our new normal with regards to nutrition,

556
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>with regards to mindset, with regards to distances, with regards

557
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:43.359
<v Speaker 2>to training hours, there's new normals happening all the time. Meditation,

558
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>how we go about it. The time we spend meditating

559
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.920
<v Speaker 2>three minutes used to be impossible. Now you can do

560
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes right, or an hour or just wander off.

561
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.759
<v Speaker 2>So that's part of what I really like to tell

562
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.759
<v Speaker 2>athletes and people that I talked to on a daily basis,

563
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.359
<v Speaker 2>is create your own new normal, right, And that's the

564
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>beauty of training, that you're creating a new normal, and that.

565
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 1>New normal then becomes applicable in all these other areas

566
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>of your life because it expands your concept, your perception

567
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 1>of what you're capable of. And once you crack that

568
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:25.759
<v Speaker 1>door open in a physical sense, in an athletic sense,

569
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 1>you become more amenable to the idea that you can

570
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>break barriers in your professional life, that you can have

571
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>better relationships. It's just it's incredible the applicability of what

572
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you learn, not just skill wise, but just mindset wise

573
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 1>and how that can improve.

574
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Your life bleeds into all areas of our life. And

575
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 2>that confidence and the ability to motivate yourself to go

576
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 2>do something that you had an intention to do is phenomenal. Right,

577
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>It's truly what makes us hue human beings. There's not

578
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.759
<v Speaker 2>a lot of other beings on this planet that set

579
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>forth to do something and then methodically go about doing

580
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.839
<v Speaker 2>it right. It's like they're either instinctually doing it or

581
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>they learn it in a different way, but not not

582
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>like we do as humans. And so again, it's a

583
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 2>unique trait that I would want everybody to learn about

584
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and take advantage of. What is the challenge? What is

585
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 2>something that scares me? And how can I go about

586
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:31.799
<v Speaker 2>learning internally and externally physically and mentally as I'm on

587
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>that journey towards that adventure.

588
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 1>What are you excited about personally this year in terms

589
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>of your own What have you signed up to do?

590
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 1>What are you getting ready for?

591
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Well? I have it's November twenty seven. On December, first

592
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 2>I find out if I got into Western States. Oh wow,

593
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 2>let's ticket out there. I have a very very low

594
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 2>You've never done that before, they've done right. I've always

595
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do it, but I have not stuck with

596
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.279
<v Speaker 2>my entries every year, and so I reset the clock,

597
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>so I only have a two percent chance to get in,

598
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>whereas if you continue to put in every year then

599
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.359
<v Speaker 2>you're it's a Moneti style lottery. It goes up right,

600
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 2>So very low chance. But as a backup on the

601
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>same exact weekend, I set up that I'll do Alaskamand

602
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:21.720
<v Speaker 2>which is an iron distance race but more extreme location,

603
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 2>forty eight degree water. You start at three thirty in

604
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>the morning, longest day of the year January, you know,

605
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 2>the longest weekend day of right. Then you swim two

606
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 2>point four miles in that water and then you bite.

607
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit over one hundred and twelve. It's

608
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirteen miles uphill to a mountain on

609
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.799
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the Sewer Bay and then yeah,

610
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.000
<v Speaker 2>then you climb and then you run up a mountain

611
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>for twenty seven miles.

612
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, similar to norse Mountain.

613
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. It's part of the series. And just this

614
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>year they introduced that Norseman is now the world champion qualifier.

615
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:00.079
<v Speaker 2>These are all qualifiers for Norsemen, being the World Championships because.

616
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Championships of what extremely crazy travel.

617
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 2>So they now have ten or eleven of them. There's

618
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them. Canada Man, they have the Alaska Mand,

619
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>they have Hawaii Man, the Old Man, I felt that

620
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 2>had the Celtic Man, all kinds of Swiss Man, Hungaro Man.

621
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have athletes sending me examples of extra

622
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.039
<v Speaker 2>eyes from all around the world. I'm like, I'm good,

623
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm staying in the same time zone in Alaska.

624
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I just remember watching a video of Norseman.

625
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Was it?

626
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Tim Deboom? Yeah, won that year, and I just it

627
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>was the most epic thing. Yeah, super hard.

628
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tim, Tim is he made that race quite famous

629
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<v Speaker 2>because of because that was when he was winning Hawaii Ironmans.

630
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.039
<v Speaker 2>And so we went off and did that or just

631
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:48.159
<v Speaker 2>right after it and h and he won. That created

632
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 2>this huge curiosity around again adventurous iron Man. So you know,

633
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 2>I've done thirty eight forty I don't know how many

634
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 2>more Ironman's in my life, and so I'm ready to

635
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 2>try a different type of environment.

636
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:07.599
<v Speaker 1>So and you this past weekend was ultramad Did you

637
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.800
<v Speaker 1>follow that at all? You try to get for free? Yeah?

638
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Would you be put in again? You put it in again, Yeah,

639
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 2>hopefully if she sees my name on there and.

640
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>This, would you do one of the qualifier ultraman though,

641
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>like I can't.

642
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I would say no. And this is why because again,

643
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.519
<v Speaker 2>like we talk about life's busy schedule, I'm not going

644
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>to set myself up for success with work and family

645
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.599
<v Speaker 2>by training for two of these in a row. Right.

646
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I just know myself and I know the tax it'll

647
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:47.199
<v Speaker 2>put on my direct community, work, life, family, so forth,

648
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.559
<v Speaker 2>that for me to do that would be asking too much. Yeah,

649
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.559
<v Speaker 2>and I also know my body quite honestly, I've been

650
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 2>doing this for a long time, and to go through

651
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.159
<v Speaker 2>two of those training cycles in a matter of a

652
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>year would be a lot could defer to the following year.

653
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Let's say you do an ultraman in twenty nineteen and

654
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 2>it automatically qualifies you for twenty twenty, But that means

655
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing two years of this type of training and

656
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:13.800
<v Speaker 2>there's other adventures I want to do.

657
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>You're so well suited to that race though. Yeah, you know,

658
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I would really love to see you on cork it

659
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>on that court.

660
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>But I'm going to be fifteen next year. That's all right, man,

661
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting any younger. None of us are, and

662
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:28.119
<v Speaker 2>those guys are getting faster.

663
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The guy who won this year is thirty three,

664
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 1>I think, but I think like Mirra Krieger was up

665
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>there again, he still ran under seven hours. He's like

666
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.000
<v Speaker 1>fifty five or something like that, by ezy crazy.

667
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Those guys are a good though, at that distance because

668
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 2>they've done it a few times, like Miro, especially those

669
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.239
<v Speaker 2>every year. Yeah, so that's he knows the course, he

670
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 2>knows how he needs to train for it. It's sort

671
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.960
<v Speaker 2>of like me for Ironman. Right. Last year, I was

672
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 2>able to just go do Whistler out of my training,

673
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't. I wasn't in the fittest place of

674
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>my life. But again, and I've done enough of them

675
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.159
<v Speaker 2>where I can navigate my energy for ten hours well

676
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 2>enough that I'll know where I am at the finish.

677
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Should we talk about nutrition a little bit?

678
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

679
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 1>What is your general guidance.

680
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>In life or for the training?

681
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Well for the training? Training specific people are like what

682
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 1>do I eat? What do I eat when I ride

683
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.039
<v Speaker 1>my I mean I get this question all the time.

684
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:25.400
<v Speaker 1>What do I eat when I ride my bike? What

685
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>do you bring with you when you go running?

686
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

687
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>That kind of stuff.

688
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, biking and running are going to be two different things, right,

689
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 2>because of the stress on the stomach. Biking you're in

690
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:38.079
<v Speaker 2>a smoother situation without the rattling and the bouncing and

691
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>the jumping around. So I often say cliff bars or

692
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 2>something like that, something solid. I'm a big believer in

693
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>solids as much as I can. On training rides, I'll

694
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>actually make little sandwiches even and things like that, fruit

695
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and little sandwiches because my body will be able to

696
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 2>process that and the intensity isn't that high that I

697
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:05.079
<v Speaker 2>need to have any thing sugary or two glucose based, right,

698
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>that's just going to go glycogen based right into my blood.

699
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 2>For shorter intervals and cycling classes and ninety minutes or less,

700
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.199
<v Speaker 2>I rarely take any food. So what do I recommend.

701
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 2>I recommend that athletes create a stomach and a habit

702
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 2>that they know that they're suited to take on all

703
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 2>kinds of different foods because something will always go wrong. Right,

704
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 2>So if you think you're great every weekend after an

705
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.360
<v Speaker 2>iron Man, I get a race report from somebody that

706
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 2>says I thought I was fine on cliff bars or

707
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.559
<v Speaker 2>power bars, but after seven of them, I couldn't get

708
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 2>another one down, or after four of them or whatever,

709
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 2>And so I want my athletes to have as much

710
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>range as possible from it. I've had the shot, the gels,

711
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 2>I've had the choose, I've had the bars, I've had

712
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the potato chips, I've had the ore cookies. I've tried

713
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 2>it all, and I've narrowed it down to a plate

714
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>of food that I know I can bring to any race.

715
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what weekends are for, to test and train all

716
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>the possible foods so that you have a good list

717
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of items that you know you're safe with that you

718
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 2>can find anywhere in the world or bring anywhere in

719
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the world and have a successful nutrition plan.

720
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 1>I have this thing where I've eaten so many bars

721
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 1>over the years that just thinking about eating a bar

722
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>right now makes me like I've gone more and more

723
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 1>to just real food. Yep, because it's like I can't

724
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>handle the sugar or I don't know what it is,

725
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 1>but like I have this Pavlovian kind of reaction when

726
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 1>you start talking about like that performance nutrition stuff. But

727
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that's a.

728
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Great example of what happens because you pushed you went

729
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 2>over the edge, thinking I must eat more cliff bars

730
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>for your events, whether it was for Epic five or

731
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 2>for Ultramen. That's why I want athletes to when they're

732
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 2>done with to stop it, because you're going to be

733
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.599
<v Speaker 2>more successful with fueling over a long period of time

734
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.880
<v Speaker 2>if you eat up until when you can of that

735
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 2>type of food and then move on to another option.

736
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Because we want calories in you. You need to fuel

737
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:19.320
<v Speaker 2>right on average, I tell people two hundred ish calories

738
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.679
<v Speaker 2>one fifty to two hundred calories an hour for women

739
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>and two hundred to two hundred and fifty calories an

740
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 2>hour for men during cycling and running events. Right, So

741
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.000
<v Speaker 2>that adds up over many hours. Right, that's a cliff

742
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>barn hour right there. But again, you want to have

743
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>a good knowledge of a variety of foods that work

744
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.119
<v Speaker 2>for you. And that way you can sort of open

745
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.719
<v Speaker 2>that special needs bag that has options in it. You

746
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.840
<v Speaker 2>can get to a race at an ultra run where

747
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.320
<v Speaker 2>they have anything from potato chips to Smarties to Eminem's

748
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>to peanut butter and jelly sandwiches all around there, right,

749
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:57.199
<v Speaker 2>so that you can take in food that you need.

750
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.119
<v Speaker 2>And I agree with you all the sugars no matter

751
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:03.719
<v Speaker 2>how much somebody has a sweet tooth or they say

752
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 2>they'll be fine. At some point your body just stops.

753
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Your taste buds say no more.

754
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.159
<v Speaker 1>I was great on the iron Man, and then I

755
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 1>got to mile eighteen. I couldn't stop barfing, Like I

756
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>had fifty gels. Yeah, over the last twelve hours.

757
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like, But then there's winners, and there's athletes out there,

758
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.679
<v Speaker 2>and they're not just saying that for their sponsors. They

759
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 2>truly do twenty five gells, thirty jels. They're able to.

760
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.360
<v Speaker 2>And so nutrition is the ultimate and plus one right

761
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that where you are the only sample. If you know

762
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.679
<v Speaker 2>what works for you, and you've tested in a variety

763
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.320
<v Speaker 2>of temperatures and conditions and intensities that you know your

764
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.519
<v Speaker 2>palette and how it's going to work for many hours,

765
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.320
<v Speaker 2>ten to thirty hours, then stick with that.

766
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>You can't test enough. I mean, you can't overstate how

767
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.280
<v Speaker 1>important it is to constantly be experimenting in your training

768
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 1>with this. Even the very very best, the most elite

769
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>of athletes and durance athletes out there run into problems

770
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>when they miscalculated because of whatever external reason and have issues.

771
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 1>So the more the better in terms of that experimentation.

772
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 1>But I think also it's worth noting. I'm interested in

773
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 1>what you think about this. You know, I know that

774
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 1>when I go out on the trails around here, I

775
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.639
<v Speaker 1>see so many people who I know they're they're out

776
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>on a they're going out for forty five minutes or

777
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 1>something like that, and they've got their vest and they're

778
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 1>just loaded to the gills with all kinds of bottles.

779
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, you don't need all that stuff. Somebody's

780
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>marketed to you to convince you that you can't leave

781
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 1>your house without literally enough nutrition to survive for a weekend.

782
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, in some cases, I'm not saying this

783
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 2>is all the cases. In some cases they might be

784
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 2>testing weight and fair enough with the gear that they

785
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>want to do, because I'll have my athletes do that too,

786
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.840
<v Speaker 2>but not with the food. I'll have put water bottles

787
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.159
<v Speaker 2>in there for weight, right, because for long endurance events

788
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 2>you got to get used to that self supported way.

789
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:10.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there is also this industry brain feeding right

790
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:12.800
<v Speaker 2>where they've told us you need to eat, eat, eat, eat,

791
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and drink drink drink drink, and electrolytes electrolytes, electrilights and

792
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.440
<v Speaker 2>salt salt salt, and people overdo that dramatically. You're right.

793
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Killian told me he goes out for seven or eight

794
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:24.119
<v Speaker 1>hours without anything.

795
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 2>That makes my head explode. As a coach, that just

796
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>makes me because others will hear this, yeah I, and

797
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.239
<v Speaker 2>then think that that's okay, and you can. He has

798
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.679
<v Speaker 2>trained his body to go without food. I had a

799
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 2>coach way back in the day. He asked me to

800
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>go out for two three hour bike rides not eating

801
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 2>at all. He wanted to build up the tolerance that

802
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you can go on less. Luckily I got away from

803
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>that theory because that is completely not true. Our body

804
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.519
<v Speaker 2>needs fuel to operate, and at the lower intensities where

805
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:06.199
<v Speaker 2>you're burning primarily fats, you technically have enough storage on

806
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 2>your body for about a thousand days of exercise without food,

807
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:14.079
<v Speaker 2>but you can't utilize that and your intensity is way

808
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>slower than that. So no, it don't go out for

809
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.960
<v Speaker 2>seven hour runs without food. Right. And the other interesting

810
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 2>thing that you said is that the palette also changes

811
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.719
<v Speaker 2>over the years. So what you might have liked five

812
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 2>years ago and needed changes as you become fitter and

813
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 2>stronger and do different distances or even the same distance.

814
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>What worked for me five years ago in an iron man.

815
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I no longer eat that. I have to completely turned

816
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.960
<v Speaker 2>mine upside down because it was too much and I

817
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.239
<v Speaker 2>went to too little. Then I had up it again.

818
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.039
<v Speaker 2>You're constantly testing, Like you.

819
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Said, let's talk about swimming. Yeah, so this might get

820
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 1>granular for people that aren't interested in this, but if

821
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you're listening in you're a triathlete, or you're interested in

822
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>a swim run or becoming a master swimmer, I think

823
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 1>it is worth spending a few minutes talking about this

824
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 1>because the most common thing that you hear, I know

825
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.559
<v Speaker 1>I hear, I'm sure you do, is people who are

826
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 1>interested in exploring this world of multi sport, but they

827
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't grow up swimming. They don't really know how to

828
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:26.000
<v Speaker 1>swim all that. Maybe you know, they may know how

829
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to swim in general, but have never put themselves in

830
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.880
<v Speaker 1>any kind of competitive swim environment. And it's very intimidating,

831
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 1>and I think it scares a lot of people away

832
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.239
<v Speaker 1>from a sport that they might enjoy if they could

833
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>wrap their head around a way of, you know, learning

834
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.320
<v Speaker 1>how to get comfortable in the water.

835
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 2>I love master's swimming programs from that aspect because you

836
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 2>get some coaching, and there's a social aspect of it,

837
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:57.599
<v Speaker 2>and there's a structure to it. There's many choices usually

838
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 2>during the week to get in the pool, and it's

839
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 2>not like these are all former NCUBLEA swimmers at every

840
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>master's workout.

841
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 1>It's intimidating, though. It's scary for somebody who's never done anything, like.

842
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, but so is doing anything else right and having

843
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:19.159
<v Speaker 2>an embracing, warm community that all started as beginners at

844
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 2>some point. Maybe not the nc DOUBLEA guys at the

845
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.079
<v Speaker 2>far end of the pool who don't even remember when

846
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 2>they learned how to swim. But in every master's program

847
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I've ever come across, there's always a few swimmers who

848
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>you can see they just started a couple of months ago,

849
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and you'll swim with them and they'll be open to

850
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.440
<v Speaker 2>having you in their lane and growing from there as

851
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.519
<v Speaker 2>a swimmer, and you get instruction with it too.

852
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It takes a little bit of courage though to

853
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of walk through that door. I mean, I remember

854
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.360
<v Speaker 1>when I first was thinking like maybe I want to

855
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>do a triathlon, and I was terrified to just walk

856
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:00.400
<v Speaker 1>in the door of Helen's bikes, which is like kind

857
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>of a Tony high end bike shop here in Los Angeles,

858
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.199
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I swam at standard, like I'm an athlete,

859
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.079
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I didn't know the questions to ask,

860
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, those guys in there, they all

861
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.280
<v Speaker 1>are pro cyclists or whatever. It's very it's it's.

862
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Very all the sports like that are intimidating when you

863
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.119
<v Speaker 2>walk into most of those shops, probably trail running the least,

864
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 2>because they're sort of pretty chill, pretty chill, yeah, but

865
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:31.000
<v Speaker 2>track on and cycling and swimming for sure. And the

866
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 2>aspect of swimming is that, I mean, you have a

867
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 2>evolutionary response to drowning, right and a fear of that,

868
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.400
<v Speaker 2>So it makes sense. And that's why I always recommend

869
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.920
<v Speaker 2>a master's program where you can stand and take your

870
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 2>time and not be intimidated because of what they're doing,

871
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>but more because you're comfortable just being there. And that's

872
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the social aspect, right where people just are having fun.

873
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think beyond that though, it's important to make

874
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>sure that you're getting instruction. Like a lot of master's coaches,

875
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're they're creating a workout, but sometimes there

876
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 1>isn't a lot of individual attention so I think it's

877
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>if this does intimidate you or you feel like you

878
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:19.239
<v Speaker 1>really want to progress, to find somebody who can give

879
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.719
<v Speaker 1>you some one on one because there's nothing like having

880
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:26.239
<v Speaker 1>somebody just look at your stroke and and give you

881
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.400
<v Speaker 1>a couple things to work on, and then a couple

882
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.280
<v Speaker 1>of weeks later give you a couple more things to

883
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 1>work on, because you really can only master one or

884
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:36.599
<v Speaker 1>two tweaks at a time, and generally somebody who doesn't

885
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 1>have a background in this will have twenty things wrong

886
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:41.639
<v Speaker 1>with what they're doing, and you've got to really take

887
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:46.280
<v Speaker 1>it step by step and be patient with with it.

888
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.760
<v Speaker 1>I think the biggest mistake that most inexperienced swimmers and

889
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:56.679
<v Speaker 1>triathletes make is they're so worried about their conditioning and

890
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:58.760
<v Speaker 1>their fitness that they just want to get in the

891
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.320
<v Speaker 1>water and some back and forth worth for a certain

892
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.760
<v Speaker 1>amount of time to feel like they got to work

893
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 1>out in.

894
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:06.960
<v Speaker 2>They land their watch to make sure that they get in.

895
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, there's no structure to the workout, there's no

896
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.599
<v Speaker 1>real intentionality behind it. And at the same time, they're

897
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.000
<v Speaker 1>not working on their fundamentals or their stroke technique in

898
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.199
<v Speaker 1>such a way that they would be better off just

899
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.599
<v Speaker 1>scrapping that whole program and starting from zero and spending

900
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 1>three months on nothing but drills to perfect their shrup

901
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 1>because they're fighting the water. They're inefficient, they're creating all

902
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>this resistance, they're expending all this energy they don't need

903
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 1>to because they don't understand how to make the water

904
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:42.079
<v Speaker 1>work for them.

905
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's levers in that water for us. Yeah, to

906
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.159
<v Speaker 2>make us work work less and swim faster. There's also

907
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a few programs out there. I really like the swim

908
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Smooth program. I never heard about it regards to learning

909
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 2>how to swim. They have animation and so a lot

910
00:49:57.679 --> 00:49:59.199
<v Speaker 2>of it that you can swim on your own. And

911
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:03.280
<v Speaker 2>then you have certified swim Smooth coaches around the country

912
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and the world in this case, who you then can

913
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>schedule video sessions with and one on one time with.

914
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 2>And what's really cool about those swim Smooth certified coaches

915
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.400
<v Speaker 2>that's a lot to say swim, is that they're often

916
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 2>they run a master's program on the side anyway that

917
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 2>you could join or they'll know where you can find

918
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 2>a program to work with. But again, like you were saying,

919
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:31.039
<v Speaker 2>seeing yourself swim and then working with animation, and then

920
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.639
<v Speaker 2>getting one on one instruction. Combining all three of those,

921
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 2>you're going to learn a lot quicker than just on

922
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 2>your own.

923
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's different from running or riding a bike.

924
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>It really is technique driven. It's much more like learning

925
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.920
<v Speaker 1>how to swing at golf club than it is how

926
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 1>to ride a bike.

927
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I compare swimming the way we swim in the pool

928
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot to track running. The times are shorter, just

929
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:02.079
<v Speaker 2>like that forty sixty seven seconds, and most of the

930
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.400
<v Speaker 2>time for a track athlete at the track is drills,

931
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.920
<v Speaker 2>warming up, stretching, doing a few short bursts, and then

932
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 2>being done and focused on technique. And swimming is similar

933
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 2>warm up, a variety of drills, a main set with

934
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.519
<v Speaker 2>some bursts and efforts, and then warmed down, focused on

935
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 2>technique all the time. And so you wouldn't go to

936
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:26.960
<v Speaker 2>a track if you want to be a four hundred

937
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.480
<v Speaker 2>meter runner and just run four hunimeters over and over

938
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and over again at a slow speed. You want to

939
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:37.920
<v Speaker 2>have variability and drills and bounding and strength and explosiveness

940
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 2>and drills all built into that workout. And similar in swimming.

941
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.320
<v Speaker 1>And if you're not coming from a swimming background and

942
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 1>you're interested in triathlon, you have to understand that you

943
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 1>don't need to go fast, and you're not going to

944
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.119
<v Speaker 1>be competitive anyway because you didn't grow up with the sport.

945
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.400
<v Speaker 1>So you need to forget about all of that and

946
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 1>understand that the goal or the priority should be getting

947
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:05.320
<v Speaker 1>out of the water feeling good, learning how to swim

948
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 1>efficiently enough so that you are moving forward in the

949
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:14.119
<v Speaker 1>water with some degree of aptitude and efficiency, but that

950
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.719
<v Speaker 1>you're getting out excited about the next stage. You're not

951
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.920
<v Speaker 1>going to be in the front pack, you know, forget

952
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 1>about all of that kind of stuff, which.

953
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I feel most most don't have that expectation, but they

954
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.880
<v Speaker 2>do have an expectation that it would go better or

955
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:30.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a different strategy.

956
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.119
<v Speaker 1>But you would have to the amount of time you

957
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.280
<v Speaker 1>would have to put into it doesn't make sense, and

958
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:41.079
<v Speaker 1>ultimately it doesn't matter because the swim the way triathlon works,

959
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:45.239
<v Speaker 1>with the exception of ultra Man, the swim is almost irrelevance.

960
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 2>It's a means to an end. I call swimming the

961
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.239
<v Speaker 2>first part of a trithlon. It's a longer warm up.

962
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:53.719
<v Speaker 2>It's a means to an end. It's designed to get

963
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 2>you from the starting gun to T one and nothing else. Right,

964
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.880
<v Speaker 2>So if you can get through the swim efficiently, using

965
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the least amount of energy, but still in the time

966
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that you wanted to in order to then have a

967
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 2>more significant bike and run, that's the goal, right, And

968
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of swim coaches, and this is my biggest issue.

969
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a lot of issues with swim coaches,

970
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.920
<v Speaker 2>but my biggest issue with swim coaches is that they

971
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:25.920
<v Speaker 2>teach triathletes how to be swimmers versus traffon swimmers or

972
00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 2>open water swimmers. And there are clear differences between the two. Right,

973
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:35.280
<v Speaker 2>one is more shorter speeds, shorter bursts and speed for

974
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>hundreds and two hundreds and four hundred meters let's say

975
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:41.239
<v Speaker 2>that's a total of six minutes maybe, Whereas if you're

976
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:43.760
<v Speaker 2>getting ready for thirty forty to fifty an hour and

977
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 2>a half worth of swimming, it's a different workout, right.

978
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't need you to perfect your butterfly, backstroke, comb

979
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.800
<v Speaker 2>brushtro I don't need you to have good streamline off

980
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:57.519
<v Speaker 2>the wall and to dolphin kicks off the wall. I

981
00:53:57.519 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 2>don't need your flip turns to be great. If you're

982
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>going to do open water swimming. I need you to

983
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 2>be able to get through that efficiently, like you said,

984
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 2>in order to have an effective bike and run, and to.

985
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Be able to maintain your equanimity and your composure in

986
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.639
<v Speaker 1>a stressful situation where there's people kicking you in the

987
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.000
<v Speaker 1>head and there's a lot of chaos, to be calm

988
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and relaxed and to understand how to site. You know,

989
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.199
<v Speaker 1>you have to be able to raise your head and

990
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 1>see where you're going.

991
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 2>See where you're going. You're often dragged along by a

992
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of other swimmers when you're in the middle of

993
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.119
<v Speaker 2>the pack, so you sort of know that part, okay,

994
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 2>you just sort of follow all the minnows. But the

995
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.599
<v Speaker 2>part of being comfortable when you swim is also important

996
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>because wetsuits can feel incredibly restricting, and a lot of

997
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:51.519
<v Speaker 2>athletes get great athletes get panic attacks, anxiety and almost

998
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>have to stop the swim because they have shortness of

999
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:57.360
<v Speaker 2>breath and the whole thing and what I always say there,

1000
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.119
<v Speaker 2>understanding the dynamics of a wetsuit is very very important

1001
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 2>because a dry wet suit, the liner hasn't gotten wet

1002
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 2>yet to absorb the moisture so that it properly stretches

1003
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:13.599
<v Speaker 2>and sticks to your skin and can become a second skin.

1004
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:19.239
<v Speaker 2>When it's dry, it's just a tight plastic suit constricting

1005
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.880
<v Speaker 2>your breathing around your neck and everywhere on your body.

1006
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.400
<v Speaker 2>And it's pressure on your body, and we have a

1007
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 2>response to that, same as when we hit the water.

1008
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Everything seizes. In general, it's a response of our way back,

1009
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:37.039
<v Speaker 2>of our great ancestors that can make the swim in

1010
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the beginning very very panicky.

1011
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:43.639
<v Speaker 1>I still am not used to wet suits that cover

1012
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.639
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder, like unless it's freezing and we're in Sweden,

1013
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.559
<v Speaker 1>like I would rather have a sleeveless like that restriction

1014
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.480
<v Speaker 1>around the shoulders like I just cannot acclimate to that.

1015
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I've never swum without them because I love that extra

1016
00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.039
<v Speaker 2>pointance on my arms.

1017
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you think is the future of iron Man?

1018
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, when you look at these races, there's so

1019
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>many of them now they sell out a year ahead

1020
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:14.159
<v Speaker 1>of time, thousands and thousands of people. And you see

1021
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.039
<v Speaker 1>these clips on the internet or if you track this

1022
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:21.119
<v Speaker 1>stuff where all they're just massive packs of people. It

1023
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:25.440
<v Speaker 1>looks like a giant drafting peloton. I mean, what is

1024
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 1>going on?

1025
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.840
<v Speaker 2>The sport has definitely changed and it's become an everyman's sport.

1026
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:34.039
<v Speaker 2>The uniqueness of an iron Man and a seventy point

1027
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:38.280
<v Speaker 2>three has definitely shifted. It's still quite unique, but I

1028
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:43.079
<v Speaker 2>think iron Man in general knows the customers. It's getting

1029
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:48.440
<v Speaker 2>a certain type of person. And when I say the customer,

1030
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:52.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking repeat customers, ones that do it for many years.

1031
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:56.159
<v Speaker 2>And I think Ironman and their parent company is completely

1032
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.079
<v Speaker 2>happy and fine with that. They're not willing to spend

1033
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the dollars orsments in order to grow that. They have

1034
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:08.719
<v Speaker 2>a very religious following in that space, and everybody else

1035
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:10.880
<v Speaker 2>is sort of on the periphery. They do it once

1036
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:13.079
<v Speaker 2>or twice and then they either go on to other

1037
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 2>adventures or they move on to something else. Right, And

1038
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 2>so the future, I think is those people who are

1039
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.679
<v Speaker 2>already in it and love it and are religious about it,

1040
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.320
<v Speaker 2>They're going to continue to accept those price increases and

1041
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:31.519
<v Speaker 2>that drafting type of racing because that is what it is.

1042
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:32.360
<v Speaker 2>It's their sport.

1043
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:38.360
<v Speaker 1>But I think that is now going to be challenged

1044
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:42.559
<v Speaker 1>with future generations of young athletes who now have a

1045
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.519
<v Speaker 1>lot of options absolutely in terms of what they want

1046
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:48.599
<v Speaker 1>to specialize in and what they want to explore and experience,

1047
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.840
<v Speaker 1>whereas the people that are kind of from our age

1048
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:55.119
<v Speaker 1>bracket and above. It was iron Man, was it?

1049
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 2>That was the ultra endurance?

1050
00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:59.559
<v Speaker 1>There was a cultish sort of allegiance to this and

1051
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:05.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, a fervor around these races that created a

1052
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.239
<v Speaker 1>lifestyle for a lot of people, which is a great,

1053
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.760
<v Speaker 1>you know me, amazing thing. But I you know, if

1054
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:14.760
<v Speaker 1>you're a twenty four year old aspiring endurance athlete or

1055
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you know a younger even younger, now you look, you

1056
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:21.119
<v Speaker 1>can canvass this landscape and there's so many options.

1057
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:22.199
<v Speaker 2>So what is that adventure?

1058
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.119
<v Speaker 1>How does that bode for iron Man twenty years from now?

1059
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:29.000
<v Speaker 2>In my personal opinion, I don't think it bodes well

1060
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:33.000
<v Speaker 2>because again, there's so many other adventures out there and

1061
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:39.239
<v Speaker 2>choices as well as being associated in a certain group

1062
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:42.599
<v Speaker 2>for that in that way is also what the younger

1063
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:48.039
<v Speaker 2>generation doesn't like. They rather be associated with a variety

1064
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 2>of endeavors and the versatility of doing other endurance events.

1065
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Right, So, like being an iron Man athlete is kind

1066
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:58.119
<v Speaker 1>of like having a job. And the mad Man era

1067
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:03.679
<v Speaker 1>and now the freelance economy, gig economy, young people they're

1068
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.239
<v Speaker 1>going to be doing all different kinds.

1069
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Of ye and exactly they'll be able to do an

1070
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:11.480
<v Speaker 2>iron Man and an ultra un and an adventure race.

1071
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.480
<v Speaker 2>And you know it's like, why would we put a

1072
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:17.880
<v Speaker 2>full year of training into something that we already know

1073
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the outcome to, Right, that's the hardest part for a

1074
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of endurance athletes. I can already close my eyes

1075
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and see myself crossing that finish line of an Ironman.

1076
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I've done it before, and they're all the same. So therefore,

1077
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I would rather apply my time, my dollars and all

1078
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:41.559
<v Speaker 2>those weekends to something that is unfamiliar to me too,

1079
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that is more creative or more scary, or more dangerous,

1080
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:52.400
<v Speaker 2>or more instagram worthy or I mean again, like we

1081
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:54.800
<v Speaker 2>just got to be real. I mean, we're going to

1082
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 2>do a lot of these adventures for the coolness factor,

1083
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.199
<v Speaker 2>and that coolness factor, in my my opinion, will run

1084
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:03.000
<v Speaker 2>out within iron Man after a while.

1085
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see.

1086
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think. Well, I've already seen the numbers be

1087
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:12.280
<v Speaker 2>quite flat in their growth, actually not negative really, but

1088
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 2>sort of flat. But you know, they came the seventy

1089
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:21.599
<v Speaker 2>point three series is what really grew them so quickly

1090
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:25.559
<v Speaker 2>because it became way more approachable, less training hours.

1091
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So, in your experience of competing at a very high

1092
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:35.559
<v Speaker 1>level over many decades, and your experience working with so

1093
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:40.639
<v Speaker 1>many athletes over the years, what can you distill from

1094
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.920
<v Speaker 1>all of that in terms of the mindset, principles or

1095
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:50.559
<v Speaker 1>the habits or practices that you've employed and that the

1096
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:55.800
<v Speaker 1>successful athletes that you've worked with have employed to great benefit,

1097
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Like are there you can you canonize like the things

1098
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that you've you've seen work for yourself and the athletes

1099
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.079
<v Speaker 1>that you work with that seem to come up time

1100
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and time again.

1101
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I would say the longevity aspect of it is what

1102
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:12.199
<v Speaker 2>works best over time for the athletes, and of course

1103
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.400
<v Speaker 2>longevity and over time. But what I mean by that

1104
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:19.199
<v Speaker 2>is that the athletes that have the most success and

1105
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.199
<v Speaker 2>can last the longest in the sport, because a lot

1106
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:26.840
<v Speaker 2>of this is outlasting too, is the ones that truly

1107
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:32.400
<v Speaker 2>enjoy the training, the journey, the self exploration, nature outdoors,

1108
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:36.199
<v Speaker 2>daily self care, and so forth. Those that are just

1109
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.960
<v Speaker 2>focused on an outcome on a placing on a time,

1110
01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:44.920
<v Speaker 2>they do not last long in the ultra endurance world.

1111
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.559
<v Speaker 2>And I've noticed it for myself, but a lot of

1112
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:52.280
<v Speaker 2>the athletes that I coach, if they have certain numbers

1113
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.719
<v Speaker 2>or times in mind for their whether it's an Ironman

1114
01:01:56.599 --> 01:02:01.000
<v Speaker 2>or other events that are measured, and they don't achieve, that,

1115
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:06.400
<v Speaker 2>frustration just grows. And those that love the activity, the fitness,

1116
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 2>the health benefits, the joy of doing it, the outdoors,

1117
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:14.800
<v Speaker 2>all the adventure with it, those seem to progress naturally

1118
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:18.679
<v Speaker 2>and out they're not outcome driven. They're process driven. And

1119
01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:21.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, we hear that in all kinds of facets

1120
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:24.960
<v Speaker 2>of life, not being outcome driven, being more process driven.

1121
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.440
<v Speaker 2>And it works really, really well in ultra endurance athletics

1122
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:31.440
<v Speaker 2>because again, there's too much that can happen on that

1123
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:35.800
<v Speaker 2>day then in that event, whether it's many days or

1124
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:40.000
<v Speaker 2>one day, that will affect your outcome. But if you

1125
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 2>already enjoyed the process, the journey so call it, then

1126
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.639
<v Speaker 2>you're already ahead of the game and you're winning.

1127
01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:50.119
<v Speaker 1>So what do you do if you're working with an

1128
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:54.679
<v Speaker 1>athlete who's very outcome driven to try to nudge them

1129
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.679
<v Speaker 1>or contole them into being more process driven.

1130
01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, the important piece there is to understan and that

1131
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:02.679
<v Speaker 2>the a they choose to do this every day. Right,

1132
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.960
<v Speaker 2>This back off a little bit and realize and look

1133
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.920
<v Speaker 2>at yourself and realize this is your choice every day. Now,

1134
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:12.880
<v Speaker 2>I understand if your choice is to be outcome driven,

1135
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:16.440
<v Speaker 2>but you can only do your best right if you

1136
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:20.880
<v Speaker 2>compare constantly to others. You're stuck in this quagmire of

1137
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.800
<v Speaker 2>constantly having to do better and better and better, and

1138
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:27.360
<v Speaker 2>you will out that will out put, that will push

1139
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.559
<v Speaker 2>out the joy and your best because you will never

1140
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:34.159
<v Speaker 2>achieve that right. And so the more I can work

1141
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:38.079
<v Speaker 2>with them realizing that family and career and this whole

1142
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:41.280
<v Speaker 2>choice of doing this, it's their hobby, not their career,

1143
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:44.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not their identity. That then I can gradually move

1144
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:48.559
<v Speaker 2>them into more enjoying the process. And quite honestly, I've

1145
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:50.880
<v Speaker 2>lost a lot of clients because of this over the years,

1146
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.480
<v Speaker 2>right because we don't see eye to eye on this,

1147
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and not every workout is going to fit perfectly in

1148
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.599
<v Speaker 2>line to the outcome in four months from like, you're

1149
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:02.760
<v Speaker 2>going to have bad workouts. You're going to have bad weeks,

1150
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you might even have a bad month or two. But

1151
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:07.599
<v Speaker 2>we're doing the work, and we feel good about it

1152
01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:09.719
<v Speaker 2>and we're enjoying it, and this is what I would

1153
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:13.800
<v Speaker 2>be doing today anyway. So accept that and you're always

1154
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.440
<v Speaker 2>learning as well. Right, if you're in the process, you're

1155
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:19.400
<v Speaker 2>learning about your nutrition, you're learning about your mindset, you're growing,

1156
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:23.119
<v Speaker 2>You're you're already a better person than you were yesterday. Right,

1157
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:26.280
<v Speaker 2>What was that that quote? You know you never step

1158
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:28.840
<v Speaker 2>in the same river twice because the river's changed and

1159
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:32.480
<v Speaker 2>you've changed, Right, It's always a different river. And so

1160
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.519
<v Speaker 2>that's what training in the process is. You are never

1161
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:37.519
<v Speaker 2>going to be the same person as you were yesterday

1162
01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:41.639
<v Speaker 2>because there just something you learned in that workout about yourself,

1163
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 2>about your fitness, about your mind, about your nutrition. I

1164
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.440
<v Speaker 2>can spin that into twenty different angles of why you're

1165
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 2>a better version.

1166
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And so, what do you think is the hardest lesson

1167
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:56.239
<v Speaker 1>that you've had to learn in this evolution from you know,

1168
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:03.719
<v Speaker 1>super elite Olympic German precision driven you know fitness machine

1169
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:08.280
<v Speaker 1>into you know master's athlete and coach, Like, what was

1170
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:11.559
<v Speaker 1>the hardest piece of advice that you had to digest

1171
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:12.400
<v Speaker 1>for yourself?

1172
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:17.039
<v Speaker 2>That the path isn't linear right for me? And you

1173
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:21.599
<v Speaker 2>know from a swimming background, everything seemed to fit orderly

1174
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:26.119
<v Speaker 2>into a linear progression. If I do this work, these yards,

1175
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.760
<v Speaker 2>this training, Sure not every single lap, but over the

1176
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:34.559
<v Speaker 2>weeks and months, the outcome will come no matter what.

1177
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's such a controlled environment. I mean, the world

1178
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:41.480
<v Speaker 1>of ultras ultra running versus swimming is you know, yeah,

1179
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess they're both you know, individual sports that are

1180
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.280
<v Speaker 1>have some level of endurance, but a pool is the

1181
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:53.559
<v Speaker 1>pool is always the same, the time standards. It's like

1182
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:58.360
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't control an environment more, you know, completely than

1183
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:01.679
<v Speaker 1>a swimming sport. And so yeah, yeah, it must tap

1184
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.800
<v Speaker 1>into that precision mindset of like I do these things,

1185
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:06.119
<v Speaker 1>this is the time I need to do.

1186
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I used to coach like that with regards

1187
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:11.519
<v Speaker 2>to saying, if you put in the work, the results

1188
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:15.320
<v Speaker 2>will come, I guarantee it. And I had to accept

1189
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.280
<v Speaker 2>that that doesn't always work. We're all human beings and

1190
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:19.639
<v Speaker 2>life gets in the way.

1191
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:22.320
<v Speaker 1>But if you it depends on your time window though, right.

1192
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Your time window. Sure, I mean we could, we could

1193
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:29.199
<v Speaker 2>always play that super long window. But I also want

1194
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:33.400
<v Speaker 2>athletes to understand that, you know, because it doesn't line

1195
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.039
<v Speaker 2>up like that, you might be you might have different

1196
01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:38.880
<v Speaker 2>goals in eighteen months from now on different interests and

1197
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:43.559
<v Speaker 2>different priorities, and so hopefully you're enjoying the training and

1198
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:48.519
<v Speaker 2>the healthy lifestyle versus just must complete race in X

1199
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:52.280
<v Speaker 2>amount of time otherwise I'm not good. Of course you're good.

1200
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:55.960
<v Speaker 2>You have four kids, you work sixty hours a week,

1201
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.159
<v Speaker 2>and then you're fitting in this training. That's amazing. There's

1202
01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:01.440
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of people that are doing that. But

1203
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.480
<v Speaker 2>you're comparing yourself to the guy who's a lifeguard and

1204
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:11.880
<v Speaker 2>has no kids and has you know, works out all day, right,

1205
01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And so we're stuck in this world of like what

1206
01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:18.079
<v Speaker 2>we're constantly comparing, Well, these guys do have Ironman in

1207
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:19.920
<v Speaker 2>under five hours. If I don't do it in under

1208
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:23.519
<v Speaker 2>five hours, I'm not really good. Well sure, if you

1209
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:26.079
<v Speaker 2>look at it a black and white on paper like that, Yeah,

1210
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.599
<v Speaker 2>but they don't work like you do, or have family

1211
01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:31.239
<v Speaker 2>commitments like you do, or you know, volunteer at the

1212
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.719
<v Speaker 2>church like you do, or you know the sillian things

1213
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:36.199
<v Speaker 2>you can pick at.

1214
01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:41.960
<v Speaker 1>And so, was there a specific moment in your athletic

1215
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.480
<v Speaker 1>career where you had to meet your maker with that?

1216
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I saw it with Ironman Triathlon quite honestly.

1217
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean I didn't win my age group in Hawaii

1218
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:56.679
<v Speaker 2>for many years, despite knowing that I should be able to,

1219
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:00.280
<v Speaker 2>but there's too many factors that come into play and

1220
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.360
<v Speaker 2>too many outcomes that I'm not in control of. Or

1221
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:07.320
<v Speaker 2>that little difference was the difference between second, third, and fourth,

1222
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and fifth and sixth. I had every place in the

1223
01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:13.480
<v Speaker 2>time over ten years, I hit them all. But yeah,

1224
01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:16.920
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't that easy to just say I've put in

1225
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.560
<v Speaker 2>the work, I've seen the numbers. I know I can

1226
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:21.760
<v Speaker 2>hold this wattage, I know I can run this pace.

1227
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not going to give me that result. Actually, I

1228
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:27.479
<v Speaker 2>had to let go and just sort of train truly

1229
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:29.640
<v Speaker 2>for the fun of it and the joy of it,

1230
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.199
<v Speaker 2>in order to win my age group in Hawaii.

1231
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's the lesson. Right, when you finally were compelled

1232
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:39.880
<v Speaker 1>to let go is when you had the success that had.

1233
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Alluded and I relied on others. I mean, I had

1234
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:44.800
<v Speaker 2>friends who said, no, this year, we're going to train differently.

1235
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Let's go do adventures, let's go do cool rides and

1236
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:51.680
<v Speaker 2>cool different places, and create this training that was completely

1237
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.680
<v Speaker 2>different than when all the years of structure. In May,

1238
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.279
<v Speaker 2>I must be doing this, and then therefore in August

1239
01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll feel like this, and then therefore in Hawaii, now

1240
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:04.279
<v Speaker 2>we did it. Completely differently, and we trained differently and

1241
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:05.359
<v Speaker 2>that was what I needed.

1242
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Right. How many athletes from your generation of professional triathlon

1243
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.399
<v Speaker 1>iron man are still getting after it?

1244
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Not a lot, Yeah, not a lot. There's still I mean,

1245
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:22.199
<v Speaker 2>there's still some you know, the Ken Glass of the world,

1246
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:27.039
<v Speaker 2>still doing Hawaii. But yeah, there's I mean again, I'm

1247
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:30.880
<v Speaker 2>not sure what other adventures they've stepped into, but many

1248
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of them are still active in some way. Yeah, but

1249
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:39.239
<v Speaker 2>not racing or looking for the next adventure the way I.

1250
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Write, all right, we got to wrap this up. But

1251
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:46.039
<v Speaker 1>let's let's leave all the athletes and aspiring athletes that

1252
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:51.880
<v Speaker 1>are listening and watching with a couple takeaways to fuel

1253
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.039
<v Speaker 1>the spring months to come.

1254
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, we came out of the winter

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<v Speaker 2>with some strength work and hopefully we're on a stronger platform.

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<v Speaker 2>But because of those hours and those reduced hours over

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<v Speaker 2>the winter, hopefully were healthy and fresh and ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But one thing I would tie in is set up

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<v Speaker 2>these training adventures that I just talked about. Look at

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<v Speaker 2>your calendar and see maybe a Memorial Day weekend or

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<v Speaker 2>July fourth weekend, and create something exciting or a mini

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<v Speaker 2>event that you yourself or your friends or your family

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<v Speaker 2>and you do to create a training weekend, enjoy the

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<v Speaker 2>fitness that you've built and been consistent about over the

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<v Speaker 2>last month's weeks, whatever it is, and enjoy it with

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<v Speaker 2>your community. That's something I try to tell my athletes

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Create your own adventure, even if you're

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<v Speaker 2>on a path to something that you've already signed up

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<v Speaker 2>for that was a really cool weekend. Or I took

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<v Speaker 2>up trail that I never take and I ran down

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<v Speaker 2>it for an extra hour and a half and I

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<v Speaker 2>saw corners of my park that I never see right

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<v Speaker 2>or run to a location. Last year, I was getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready for to Low and other events, and I ran

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<v Speaker 2>forty miles in one direction to a town that I

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<v Speaker 2>usually cycled through, stayed there overnight, great restaurants, cool little places,

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<v Speaker 2>and then ran back the next day. I know that's

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<v Speaker 2>a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Extreme, yeah, but what I'm sacked to back forty create

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<v Speaker 3>the adventure right like run ten or bike somewhere or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, bike somewhere, swim the next day, bike the

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<v Speaker 3>third day back or some you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I don't like to have too many

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<v Speaker 2>structured aspects to my training. I like to create many

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<v Speaker 2>adventures all the time. And I think if more people

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<v Speaker 2>did that and their community and understanding their immediate environment better,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll enjoy the training in a completely different process. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was one of the things that you encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>me to do when I was training for Ultraman is

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, when when that long bike or that

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<v Speaker 1>long run, you know, a distance that I'd never done

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<v Speaker 1>before came up, like to make it like create a

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<v Speaker 1>route that would be exciting and interesting, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a point to point so a you know, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>bag out, but also to make it like an adventure

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<v Speaker 1>in and of itself. And I remember, I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>was transformative. I'd I'd never you know, run such a

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<v Speaker 1>great distance. And I had that forty mile I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was a forty mile run that you'd put on

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<v Speaker 1>the on the on the schedule, and so I decided

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<v Speaker 1>to run from Venice to Point Doom and back like

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<v Speaker 1>a long pH which is like not the best advice

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of like a road to run on, but

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<v Speaker 1>it made it like super epic to like run along

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<v Speaker 1>the beat, like because you I could wrap my because

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<v Speaker 1>you can see point you know, it was like and

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<v Speaker 1>I chant that that was like that changed my life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to think like, wow, I never would have

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<v Speaker 1>thought I've been able to do that, rather than running

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<v Speaker 1>in circles or you know something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell a lot of athletes on long bike rides

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<v Speaker 2>to ride to a lunch spot, stop there for literally

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<v Speaker 2>an hour, learn what that feels like, and then ride

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<v Speaker 2>home like four hours one way, sit, hydrate, fuel, enjoy yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>get lethargic, and then re engage to ride home. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's an adventure, you know, pick a point on a

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<v Speaker 2>map and explore. You create the coolest part about endurance

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<v Speaker 2>athletics is that you create fitness that you can apply

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<v Speaker 2>on any type of adventure. You're with your kids camping, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>do something around that right where you hike in or

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<v Speaker 2>you carry an extra load, or you're off getting stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>or you run to the store to get them a

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<v Speaker 2>milkshake or something right and they're like, WHOA, you did what?

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<v Speaker 2>Or that you're with friends at a high school reunion

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<v Speaker 2>and they want to do something cool and you have

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<v Speaker 2>the fitness to actually just jump in, right. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I talk about endurance fitness, that you have the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to take on adventures that come up and just go

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<v Speaker 2>do it. That's all around fitness. And that's truly taking

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<v Speaker 2>it to not just structured events, but like cool tidbits.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is process, not outcome exactly. It is the journey,

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<v Speaker 1>not the destination, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it is and I know it's cliche these days,

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<v Speaker 2>but for understanding that for athletic outcomes is quite important

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<v Speaker 2>because you will have us liberating sort of freeing experience

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<v Speaker 2>with him. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, my friend. As always great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for dropping the wisdom. All the athletes out there,

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk to me anytime. Let's do more

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<v Speaker 1>live events, Let's do more stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. Yeah, I love talking about this and as all

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<v Speaker 2>my athletes and listeners know, you know, it's just I

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<v Speaker 2>sit there on my own podcast and talk for an

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<v Speaker 2>hour and a half and I have to stop myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said last time, like I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>you do that now? The Weekly Word, Yeah, everybody check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. If you want to go super down the

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole and get really granular on these concepts that

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<v Speaker 1>Chris knows so well specific to endurance, multi sport, training, fitness, lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 1>all of that, check it out at a I m

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<v Speaker 1>P Coach on Twitter a I m p coaching dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Sign up for his newsletter. He will send you every

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<v Speaker 2>December January one. I don't know if i'll make ja.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a tough one.

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<v Speaker 1>And good luck at Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Thank you. We'll get you out there, we'll get.

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<v Speaker 1>You to figure something out. All right, cool man, all right. Peace,