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<v Speaker 1>By Bill Cunningham, the Great American, of course. So I

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<v Speaker 1>had a talker gone last week about young American's nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old trying to commit suicide. It was an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>story in which this nineteen year old was extremely depressed,

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly on drugs, and he jumped off the Golden Gate

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge in San Francisco, hit the water at about seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five miles an hour, fell about two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five feet about twenty two story building hit the water,

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<v Speaker 1>and because of the intervention of a sea lion, confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>by the coast Guard, the sea lion picked up his

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<v Speaker 1>body and kept it afloat till they arrived. The unbelievable story,

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<v Speaker 1>but it brought up the fact that April twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>in the month of April is Fentanyl Awareness Month is

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<v Speaker 1>declared by the FEDS. And a person that deals with

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<v Speaker 1>the falloff from all this is our fine Hamlety County Coroner,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Lastmi Somarco and doctor Samarco. Welcome again to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham Show. So, first of all, you have available

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you facts and statistics about suicide, not just

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<v Speaker 1>in Hamilton County, but because you do autopsies you're pick

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<v Speaker 1>from around the other counties. Tell the American people the

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<v Speaker 1>facts about so many Americans committing suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, this is a really touching, difficult topic

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss, whether you're talking to parents or school groups

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<v Speaker 2>or anybody. But I think that, you know, the more

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<v Speaker 2>information we have, the more we can help these kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And we noticed March we had an unusual number of

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<v Speaker 2>suicides come to our office. Most of them were from

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton County, but we did have a couple from our

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<v Speaker 2>adjacent counties. And what's really disturbing about it is is

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<v Speaker 2>I think we average about eight suicides a month overall.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're usually in the range of about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred a year, but this was seventeen, and that's double

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<v Speaker 2>our normal number. And the age spread was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>younger than we normally see. Yeah, we had a twelve

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<v Speaker 2>year old and a fourteen year old and we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at a thirteen year old as we're not sure if

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<v Speaker 2>that's a suicide or not, but it was gunshot related

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<v Speaker 2>and most of I think we had one person in

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<v Speaker 2>the fifties and one person in their forties, but everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else was younger than that. And that's alarming because that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what we usually see. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about mental health issues, and I would just love

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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of the whole stigma around mental health,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, your brain is an organ just like

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<v Speaker 2>any other organ in your body, and it can develop

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<v Speaker 2>chemical imbalances or electrical imbalances, and you know, how is

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<v Speaker 2>that going to manifest. Maybe it'll manifest like a seizure,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it'll managas like mental health issues. So we

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<v Speaker 2>had to just start calling it brain health. And I

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<v Speaker 2>heard this. I didn't coin this, believe me. I heard

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<v Speaker 2>this at a pediatric lecturer I went to once, and

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<v Speaker 2>I really really resonated with me. And you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>dad practiced psychiatry in this area for fifty years, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we've we've talked about this, and I've talked

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<v Speaker 2>to him about the suicides and the depression and clinical

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<v Speaker 2>depression and what we're seeing and and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kids nowadays have a lot different but a lot more triggers,

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<v Speaker 2>and and he just shakes his head sometimes and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know ects. We've talked about treatments for

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<v Speaker 2>clinical depression. Most psychiatrists that I have talked to have

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<v Speaker 2>said nothing works as well as ECTS in those intractable

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<v Speaker 2>clinical depressed people that they've treated for years pharmacologically but

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been able to make a breakthrough. But this all

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to, you know, what are the triggers for suicide?

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<v Speaker 2>And for so many people, they're so different, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and the different age groups. I mean, we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>social pressures and social media and things that have really

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<v Speaker 2>caused some distress for young people. We've talked about job

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<v Speaker 2>related things, We've talked you know, we looked at COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>COVID to you know, four years ago, five years ago

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<v Speaker 2>was an incredibly isolating period of time for this country

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<v Speaker 2>and for the people of this country. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those people that were that were already sort of on

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<v Speaker 2>the edge and needing the extra help and then being

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<v Speaker 2>isolated made it very difficult for them. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we've had so many kids in their twenties this month

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<v Speaker 2>and twenties and thirties, and you look back you think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how old were they five years ago, And

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<v Speaker 2>were they seniors and juniors in high school? Were they

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<v Speaker 2>freshmen and sophomores in college? And you know, my son

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<v Speaker 2>was a senior in high school and he had no graduation,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had no senior prom. He started as a

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<v Speaker 2>freshman in a college in a dorm where six people

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to be in the suite and there were

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<v Speaker 2>only two of them. And the dining halls had one

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<v Speaker 2>share per table. You couldn't even sit with anybody to

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<v Speaker 2>have a meal. There were no clubs, there were no

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<v Speaker 2>intermural sports. There was nothing. And you had to wear

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<v Speaker 2>a mask even when you were outdoors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's ridiculous, now, is there? When you think about

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<v Speaker 1>America today, I hear about cyber bullying, I hear about

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<v Speaker 1>revenge porn. I hear about young teenagers, twenty somethings isolated.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching I went out to dinner the other

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<v Speaker 1>night at a downtown restaurant.

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<v Speaker 3>I looked to my right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was three couples sitting there, seemingly late teens made

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<v Speaker 1>they might have been sixteen years old. And I watched

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<v Speaker 1>them for a few minutes, and they were all on

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<v Speaker 1>their phones in front of them and weren't communicating. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they were on a date. It looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>dressed the girls are wearing. They might have been seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and there's little communication sitting at a table

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<v Speaker 1>looking at each other. And the way to communicate today

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<v Speaker 1>is not about picking up the phone and talking where

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<v Speaker 1>one can understand the nuances of a conversation, accepting, not accepting,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it might be. And now young people are told

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<v Speaker 1>by the culture that there's good and bad, right and wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>However it's taught through social media. What role does social

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<v Speaker 1>media play and the idea that you're isolated, you're stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>you're fat, you're ugly, whatever term might be used. And

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<v Speaker 1>the person, especially maybe girls who are going through lots

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<v Speaker 1>of things in their life anyway in their teenage years,

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<v Speaker 1>that they can start to believe that my life's worthless.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be better if I wasn't alive anymore. That wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the case ten twenty thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, No, absolutely not. I think I think everybody that's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it is really hitting it on the head,

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<v Speaker 2>which is social media is isolating because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these people are looking for validation on the number of

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<v Speaker 2>likes they get or you know, the number of people

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<v Speaker 2>that have viewed their posts, and that somehow validates them

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<v Speaker 2>and what they're doing. Instead of hanging out with their

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<v Speaker 2>friends and having conversations and you know, I found that

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<v Speaker 2>out in my own house when when my daughter was

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<v Speaker 2>younger and they were in high school. I remember the

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<v Speaker 2>over friends came over. They were sitting on the couch,

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<v Speaker 2>the three of them, and they were all three of

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<v Speaker 2>their phones.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, will you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>You get your friends over, You're supposed to be hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out talking to each other. What are you doing all

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<v Speaker 2>your phones?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I took the phones away. So it was not

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<v Speaker 2>a very popular mom, but I took all three posts

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<v Speaker 2>away from them and I said, enjoy your time together,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is what you get. But honestly, it's it

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<v Speaker 2>is a huge problem across the world. I just came

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<v Speaker 2>back from India and you know, everybody has a cell

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<v Speaker 2>phone there there. Work show drivers have a cell phone there,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have massive networks, and they're all on their

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<v Speaker 2>phones and they're looking at their social media and they're

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<v Speaker 2>on their Internet and they're getting their tidbits of information

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<v Speaker 2>here and there, right or wrong, from the inner and

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<v Speaker 2>from social media. And it's just scary because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just our country, it's across the world and we have

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<v Speaker 2>just radically changed how we all communicate or don't communicate.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and I think it's unchangeable.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't maybe every now and then, you were there

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<v Speaker 1>for those three girls saying, take away your phones.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to each other. They don't know what to say.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not going to change.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it's accelerating when I see moms and dads

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<v Speaker 1>buying nine, ten to eleven year old's devices where they

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<v Speaker 1>communicate through the device and they don't communicate with human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>which causes an array of socially debaucherous condition including the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that dating doesn't take place. Boys live in a

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<v Speaker 1>world of porn and online gambling, and girls resist getting

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship because they're hurt and there's no dating going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Girls get married at the age of thirty and boys

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<v Speaker 1>get married at the age of thirty two, which used

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<v Speaker 1>to be you know that that was old.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's young.

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<v Speaker 1>And so doctor Somarco County Corner, Is there a way

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<v Speaker 1>to correct this or is it simply arming people with

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<v Speaker 1>the information? May God grant me the patience to accept

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<v Speaker 1>the things I can't change, the strength to change the

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<v Speaker 1>things that could be changed, and the wisdom to know

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<v Speaker 1>the difference. And so if we can't change the culture

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<v Speaker 1>and change society, that's not gonna I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>think we could change it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we can.

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<v Speaker 1>What can you equip parents and grandparents, brothers and sisters

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<v Speaker 1>with to stop the suicides from happening? When a person

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<v Speaker 1>feels so low and their life is meaningless, what do.

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<v Speaker 2>You do in it? Well, first of all, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>going back. I mean that horse has long left the gate,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wish I could go back to flip phones,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just foot phones. You can still make your

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls and do some crude texting, but you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get on social media and one another. That's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>happen anymore. But so we have to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with this, and we have to do it

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<v Speaker 2>quickly because there are more and more and more apps

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<v Speaker 2>being offered. There are more and more, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we have dating apps. And we were dating, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when we were going out with people, and now people

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<v Speaker 2>meet their partners on dating apps. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that's necessarily wrong or worse than meeting somebody at a

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<v Speaker 2>bar or something, but you know, if you meet somebody

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<v Speaker 2>at the gym, or if you meet somebody at a

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<v Speaker 2>social event, you're you've got face to face time with them.

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<v Speaker 2>You can read body language, you can you know, feel

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<v Speaker 2>the inflection of their voice when they're talking. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot more parameters, a lot more variables that

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<v Speaker 2>you can decide if somebody's right for you or if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to see them again, versus just swiping left

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<v Speaker 2>or swiping right. And I think we as parents are

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to set rules anymore. And I and I've put

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<v Speaker 2>myself in that too. I mean, there are times when

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say something and but you know, thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know they are adults. Now do I say something?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I not say something? And I think you have

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<v Speaker 2>to go with your instincts as as a parent and

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<v Speaker 2>say is this going to benefit your child? Is this

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<v Speaker 2>going to help them think it through? And have to decide.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, having grandparents in your life, I think

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<v Speaker 2>is really important. Having other family members that can show

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<v Speaker 2>that they care about you and stay connected with you,

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<v Speaker 2>even at a periperal level, just to know that you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a network of people that you can go to,

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<v Speaker 2>if not just your coaches and you know, your religious

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<v Speaker 2>leaders in your community, or you know that that person

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<v Speaker 2>that's in your music class or your dance class or

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<v Speaker 2>something I think that having kids more involved with and

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's soccer, there's hockey, there's all these other

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<v Speaker 2>sports too, but I think some of the arts are

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<v Speaker 2>are important just for a balance and for kids to

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<v Speaker 2>be exposed to people with different interests and different temperaments.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't have a solution. I just know that

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<v Speaker 2>we've become we've become more isolated, and it's showing. And

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<v Speaker 2>these are young people. These are young you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>that have the capability of being really productive members of

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<v Speaker 2>our society and you know, possibly even the next president,

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<v Speaker 2>but we won't know if we can't get them to

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<v Speaker 1>So the answer is, the answer is communication. And the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a twelve year old or a fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old or eighteen year old or nineteen year old killing

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<v Speaker 1>themselves decades ago that simply didn't happen except if you

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<v Speaker 1>were profoundly mentally ill suffering from paranoid schizophrenia with effective components.

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<v Speaker 1>But today it is you're sounding the alarm this afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>because you're saying, is it is a problem that's accelerating

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<v Speaker 1>in southwest Ohio, that it's going to get worse before

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<v Speaker 1>it gets better.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, unfortunately, it looks that way right now, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that this is just a weird month and we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to have any more months like this. But

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<v Speaker 2>we already have two suicides in the month of April,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's only been a few days. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm raising the alarm because I think that bringing awareness

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<v Speaker 2>to people looking around at other people, those who you

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<v Speaker 2>work with, those you go to school with, those you

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<v Speaker 2>live with, I think, just take an extra look, just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, put yourself in their shoes, see if there's

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<v Speaker 2>something you can do to lighten the load for some people,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, just talk. Just be there so that

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<v Speaker 2>they can communicate with you if they communicate. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing. You stop looking at your phone. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of friends and people around you that you can

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<v Speaker 2>look up. Don't look down, look up, look up and

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<v Speaker 2>around you. I mean, you know, look at the flooding

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<v Speaker 2>out there today. Talk to people that are being affected.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, volunteer. There's a lot going on in your community.

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<v Speaker 3>Get out there, volunteer.

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<v Speaker 1>I could not imagine when I was eight seventeen or

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen years old on a date with little Penny Asbroc

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<v Speaker 1>that I'd be on I'd be looking down and not

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<v Speaker 1>communicating with her, and girls want communication. I think girls

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot more problems in life than boys. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's much harder to be a girl or a

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<v Speaker 1>woman than a man or a boy. That's my that's

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<v Speaker 1>my sexist opinion. It's hard to be a woman and

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. I think we're sounding an alarm.

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<v Speaker 1>That suicides are way up and that it's a big problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and parents have got to look to the left, look

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<v Speaker 1>to the right, pick up cues from their child and

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<v Speaker 1>from the loved one that something's amiss, something's not right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the message you know, to you you were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the social media and these kids, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>how some of these kids have committed suicide because of

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<v Speaker 2>what's posted about them and whatnot. You know that also

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<v Speaker 2>comes from a sense of self worth And what's happened

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<v Speaker 2>to that? Have we not armed our children with a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of value and instead they're looking for social media

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<v Speaker 2>for this validation. Do they not have a sense of

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<v Speaker 2>their own worth? And where along the way has we

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<v Speaker 2>missed that ball? And how do we go about fixing

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<v Speaker 2>it so that we're arming our kids with confidence and

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<v Speaker 2>the sense of I am a good person who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to do great things in this life. I just need

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<v Speaker 2>a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course fentanyl is another thing. It's terrible fentyls

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<v Speaker 1>and drugs that that the little pill may say xan x,

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<v Speaker 3>That's another issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's another thing though, is that people reach for

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<v Speaker 2>these escapes, you know, when when they don't when they

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<v Speaker 2>can't find it on their own and in their in

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<v Speaker 2>their own little environment, and they're looking for a way

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<v Speaker 2>to escape some horrible situation or feeling. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>drugs are drugs are an easy way to escape. Alcohol

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<v Speaker 2>is an easy way to escape. And you know, of

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<v Speaker 2>course those things just make depression worse. I mean, alcohol

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<v Speaker 2>is a depressant, So I mean that doesn't it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a you know, it's not a it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>long term fix. And you know, we always say suicide

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<v Speaker 2>is is a very impulsive most of the time, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not even a solution, but it's an act that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't come back from. You can't fix it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever might be the problem, you never get a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to fix, so solution for a long term problem, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I think I just wanted to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure people were aware that, Hey, you know, we're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of seeing this out there in the community. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at some of the statistics about high

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<v Speaker 2>school kids, you know, one in twelve either has attempted

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<v Speaker 2>or considered suicide. I mean, that's an alarming number. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's an old number. I don't know what it is

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<v Speaker 2>even now. That was from five years ago, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and that in itself ought to be alarming to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I think it's I think it's even

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<v Speaker 2>a smaller number now unfortunately, or a bigger number however

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<v Speaker 2>you want to look at it at the ratio. But

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<v Speaker 2>here it is. We've got young adults in our region

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<v Speaker 2>who are taking their own lives and are desperate enough

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<v Speaker 2>and find this world a horrible place to live in

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't want to be here anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Samarca, you're the best of what you do. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for being there, and once again, thanks for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Willie God bless it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more. If you have a classroom with

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, for example, there's two or three kids on

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<v Speaker 1>average in that classroom who thought about killing themselves. Let's continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW