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Speaker 3: about four or five years ago, quite some time. He's
Speaker 3: done this excellent Rod Harrell. He's done this excellent documentary.
Speaker 3: You could find it on YouTube, and you better get there.
Speaker 3: Why you can still find it. It's called John Lennon
Speaker 3: A Conspiracy of Silence. Got one hundred and eighty thousand views.
Speaker 3: The name of the YouTube channel is orthocon ghost O
Speaker 3: r thhic O n ghost and Rod Hall. You could
Speaker 3: find his block spot is a Rod dash Harrell at
Speaker 3: blockspot dot com. Rod are you there?
Speaker 1: Yes, hello, ed.
Speaker 4: Hey man, thanks for coming back, and how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm here in very rainy Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We got a lot of rain here in Vegas too, man,
Speaker 3: I tell you, in the past few months it has
Speaker 3: rained almost every freaking day. I don't know what's going
Speaker 3: on because normally you got like a three days of
Speaker 3: rain the whole year here, but we're getting rained out.
Speaker 3: Remind you, audience, who is Rod Harrell.
Speaker 1: Rod Harrell is well right now. Rod Harrell is happy
Speaker 1: to say he's a cancer survivor. I was diagnosed with
Speaker 1: ladder cancer twenty fifteen and had a successful operation that
Speaker 1: took me years to recover from, and actually only in
Speaker 1: the last year and might have been getting back into
Speaker 1: what I used to do, which is I'm a writer
Speaker 1: and an actor, and I also produce short videos.
Speaker 3: My brother survived bladder cancer as well, and I know
Speaker 3: that the procedures that they put it through is very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: It's a very difficult process that the procedures. And he
Speaker 3: also had a he had bladder cancer. He also had
Speaker 3: I think it was kidney. He needed another kidding transplant.
Speaker 3: And then even after that it was the bladder and
Speaker 3: the kidney. And then after that when they fixed all that,
Speaker 3: he needed a stent for his heart and he had
Speaker 3: a heard of it too that he had a hurdy.
Speaker 3: After that to the bionic command. They changed everything, every
Speaker 3: part of the guy. But he's walking around today. Fine.
Speaker 1: I was very you know, I was lucky. I was
Speaker 1: very close to the stage for part of it. Oh,
Speaker 1: but they had to remove the whole bladder, but they
Speaker 1: made a foot what they call a neo bladder, which
Speaker 1: is a bladder that's been made out of a piece
Speaker 1: of my intestine. Believe it or not, but I did
Speaker 1: lose a kidney in the process as well, and it
Speaker 1: was quite quite an experience, I wrote. I wrote some
Speaker 1: articles about it on my blog posts. And as far
Speaker 1: as this goes, as far as cancer grows, folks, I
Speaker 1: highly recommend it. If you can find a support group
Speaker 1: in your area, go there. It will help you if
Speaker 1: as far as your mental state goes. So that's my
Speaker 1: plug for that. I guess.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, hey, God, bless you man, Thank god you
Speaker 3: made it out of this. That's a horrific story. So
Speaker 3: you contacted me the other day to tell me about
Speaker 3: some issues you're having with YouTube regarding the John Lennon
Speaker 3: Conspiracy of Science YouTube video which has been up there
Speaker 3: for how many years?
Speaker 1: Almost nine years this fall.
Speaker 3: In nine years, okay, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: describe what happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, all of a sudden, I had got a
Speaker 5: notice from YouTube slash Google that they had put an
Speaker 5: age restriction on my video because someone and that's all
Speaker 5: it takes.
Speaker 1: Apparently some person some bought perhaps who complains about it,
Speaker 1: and they said it violated their community standards due to
Speaker 1: community and pornography. And I'm like going, I forgot all
Speaker 1: those sex scenes I put in the documentary. I guess
Speaker 1: you know. I appealed it, and they actually wrote back
Speaker 1: and said, well, I should say the artificial intelligence wrote
Speaker 1: back and said, well, it doesn't violate our community standards,
Speaker 1: but we're going to keep an age restriction on it anyway.
Speaker 1: But then I noticed just last night when I was
Speaker 1: preparing for this talk, that they had removed the age
Speaker 1: restriction without telling me. So it's a strange little thing
Speaker 1: that happens with the YouTube that's happened to me before.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're probably aware that there was sort of
Speaker 1: this purge that happened starting in twenty sixteen with YouTube
Speaker 1: accounts being demonetized, and I was I was a victim
Speaker 1: of that. All my videos had been demonetized. I had
Speaker 1: to answer every I had like fifty videos up there.
Speaker 1: I had to answer for everyone. I had to make
Speaker 1: it a feel for everyone, and lost every appeal. And the
Speaker 1: only odd thing about this for new conspiracy people out
Speaker 1: there is that I wrote on Twitter about this tragedy
Speaker 1: in New Zealand and simply pointed out that New Zealand
Speaker 1: was one of the five Eyes nations and forty five
Speaker 1: minutes later hear that video had put an age restriction
Speaker 1: on it, and I just not one to believe in coincidences,
Speaker 1: but that's what happened. But I'm glad the video is
Speaker 1: back because the age restriction means that the general population
Speaker 1: can't just simply watch the video like they used to
Speaker 1: be able to. When you have an age restriction, you
Speaker 1: have to actually have in a YouTube account, and you
Speaker 1: have to prove that you're, you know, over eighteen.
Speaker 3: So it's really interesting because if you go, I've done
Speaker 3: a lot of investment, they they demand they shut down
Speaker 3: one of my channels altogether, they demonetize another channel altogether.
Speaker 3: And I've done a lot of investigations into YouTube and
Speaker 3: then their practices over there, and you talk about the
Speaker 3: how you have to long and improve your eighteen. There
Speaker 3: is slews of pornographic material on YouTube, yes yeah, right right,
Speaker 3: involving a little kids, you know, and it's not like
Speaker 3: outright penetration stuff like that, but these are like porn
Speaker 3: type videos of little kids eight years old, nine years old,
Speaker 3: and yes, right, yeah, yeah, you get to prove your
Speaker 3: eighteen to watch is an eight year old kid and
Speaker 3: you got to prove your eighteen to get a log
Speaker 3: get to show you eighteen to watch it. It's like,
Speaker 3: so you're trying to tell me they're not aware of
Speaker 3: all that going on. Got millions of hits on these videos, so.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's ridiculous. There was just a news story
Speaker 1: that broke yesterday about a very popular YouTube channel. They
Speaker 1: involved children doing crazy things. There's a lot of them
Speaker 1: out there, and this woman, I guess all these kids
Speaker 1: in her shows were adopted. Anyway, the woman was arrested
Speaker 1: for child abuse because apparently she was walking the kids
Speaker 1: in closets, spraying them with pepper spray, and doing all
Speaker 1: sorts of a horrible things to them to get them
Speaker 1: to be in these videos and these I'm not going
Speaker 1: to mention what this channel was, but you know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about a channel that has like a two hundred
Speaker 1: million total views, you know, and these and these things
Speaker 1: are up and running. You know, it's not only like
Speaker 1: what I would call, I don't know, soft channel porn,
Speaker 1: but you know there's you know, videos of people being
Speaker 1: hurt and mangled and such. And you know, my channel
Speaker 1: doesn't not have that much traffic to begin with, so
Speaker 1: stuff like this happens to me obviously. It kisses me off,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. It just seems to prove that
Speaker 1: there's the weird dichonomy going on out there in the
Speaker 1: social media platforms as far as who gets to you know,
Speaker 1: say things. You know, Twitter had blocked to the Christina songs.
Speaker 1: That's Julie Masone's mother. They locked her account for like
Speaker 1: almost seventy two hours for no reason. Hey, it's like
Speaker 1: if you have if you have an anti war voice
Speaker 1: or you know, anything against the official line of certain things,
Speaker 1: they seem to come down on me.
Speaker 3: You mentioned that you had posted on Twitter about New
Speaker 3: Zealand being a Five Eyes nation. What does that even mean?
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1: Oh, Five Eyes Nations is an intelligence group. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's like anglifi Ale of intelligence because the Five Eyes
Speaker 1: nations of the United States, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, and they have a history of well
Speaker 1: like intelligence agencies too. They go in and push themselves
Speaker 1: around so called third world nations for to you know,
Speaker 1: break the natural resources. Five Eyes doesn't get as much. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, how did you put it? Press and
Speaker 1: other groups that people talk about, like what is it Beetleberg.
Speaker 1: Is that the right word, Pietelberg group, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: So that that's five eyes in a nutshell and that's intelligence.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And actually part of what I talked about it is
Speaker 1: John Lennon documentary is the fact that he was constantly
Speaker 1: spied on by intelligence agencies when he was had moved
Speaker 1: to the United States. So I'm not a big fan
Speaker 1: of the latest push the last couple of years to
Speaker 1: put the intelligence agencies on a pedestal and you know,
Speaker 1: giving them power and control. And they're like nice guys.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not nice guys. Folks are Yeah, they
Speaker 1: evil cruel people.
Speaker 3: M yeah, and a lot of people like to well,
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty much it. I think that's what
Speaker 3: they're It's on their resume, you know, how you get
Speaker 3: those gigs. You're an evil, cruel person, you know. I
Speaker 3: think that's for the job, you know. But there's a
Speaker 3: lot of attention made to Jose Perdermo, the doorman at
Speaker 3: Dakoda there and his connections to the Bay of Pigs
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Do you think it begins and
Speaker 3: ends there? Though?
Speaker 5: You know it's good I was gonna be how do
Speaker 5: you mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they're gonna pin this whole assassination on Jose Perdermo.
Speaker 3: What wouldn't they pick a guy a little less high
Speaker 3: profile than having this really long bay of pigs name.
Speaker 3: You know, it can easily be found and attached to
Speaker 3: the bay of pigs and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh. Well, I'm like I said before when
Speaker 1: we talked before, I'm not a big fan of that
Speaker 1: particular conspiracy theory involving Jose Prodomo, which I noticed this
Speaker 1: it came out after he had died too, right Fenton Bresla,
Speaker 1: who really was an inspiration for me to do the
Speaker 1: documentary anyway. Uh, I think he was the first person
Speaker 1: to even mentioned Jose Prodomo in print in his books.
Speaker 1: But I mean Jose, I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: He does have an interesting or he did have an
Speaker 1: interesting past as far as the baby pigs go. Uh.
Speaker 1: I guess for your listeners who don't know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people believe that Jose Prodomo was either directly involved
Speaker 1: in John and his assassination and or he was a
Speaker 1: handbler of Mark David Channell. Well, that's when that's something
Speaker 1: I'm really outboard with.
Speaker 3: Why don't you lay out lay out your theory. It's
Speaker 3: a very well done documentary. You can find it on
Speaker 3: YouTube again John lenn Conspiracy Science, Thank you, No no,
Speaker 3: it really is one of the best things out there,
Speaker 3: and it's an orthocon. Ghost is the name of the channel,
Speaker 3: So so layout Garry.
Speaker 1: Well. I was researching a script I wrote in the
Speaker 1: mid nineties totally different topic. But while I was doing
Speaker 1: my research, I had read it because I was a
Speaker 1: firm believer in the official story that you know, oh
Speaker 1: crazy gon gunman killed John Lennon, crazy fan right, And
Speaker 1: I had run across this discrepancy of the fact that
Speaker 1: he had a five shot revolver and there were more
Speaker 1: bullets fired than it was possible because did not reload
Speaker 1: according to all the witnesses. So I decided I would
Speaker 1: make this documentary. First, it was an article in PDX magazine,
Speaker 1: which was published in Portland in the nineties. And when
Speaker 1: you go online and you read about conspiracies to do
Speaker 1: with John Lennon, you're going to find things like Jose
Speaker 1: Perdomo and things of that nature. But no one wants
Speaker 1: to talk about the Oh no one mentioned Unlet's say
Speaker 1: linked to me, you know, link to my site about
Speaker 1: this discrepancy with the bullets, which to me was like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's like if your pardon the pun, the
Speaker 1: smoking gun of this whole thing, you can't you know,
Speaker 1: if you have more bullets than what the so called
Speaker 1: perpetrator had in this gun, that means there was another gunman.
Speaker 1: You can't get around that fact as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: And that's basically my thesis on the documentary is there
Speaker 1: was more going on than what we were told.
Speaker 3: And you came to this conclusion by counting the bullet
Speaker 3: holes and reading all the reports.
Speaker 1: And John was shot four times and only two of
Speaker 1: the bullets passed through him totally, and one of Chapman
Speaker 1: shots we are told missed. So that's three bullets that
Speaker 1: are flying around, right But in the glass office door,
Speaker 1: which I'd like to get back to, But in the
Speaker 1: glass the glass door of the office, there were at
Speaker 1: least three bullet holes according to Steve's Spiro in his port,
Speaker 1: and plus there was a bullet hole in the office window,
Speaker 1: and according to the New York Times, there were bullet
Speaker 1: holes in the facade of the building. So right there
Speaker 1: you have anywhere from seven to ten bullets being fired.
Speaker 1: You can't get around math as much as some people
Speaker 1: would like to.
Speaker 3: Do we know if any bullets were left in the
Speaker 3: gun when Chapman Do we know if there were any
Speaker 3: bullets live rounds in Chapman's gun when he was rested.
Speaker 1: No, he didn't, because he fired all five shots.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, what about the possibility that some of these
Speaker 3: were ricochets or or passed through John Lennon and then
Speaker 3: entered into a glass door. Is that possible?
Speaker 1: No, because there are too many bullet holes. Only two.
Speaker 1: Chapman supposedly missed with one bullet, and two bullets passed
Speaker 1: through John Lennon. So that's three bullets. If you say
Speaker 1: that only three bullets hit the glass door, Okay, that
Speaker 1: takes care of three bullets. But what about the bullet
Speaker 1: holes in the facade, And what about the bullet hole
Speaker 1: in the office window. You've already had more than five
Speaker 1: bullets right there.
Speaker 3: It is it possible if someone else could have been
Speaker 3: what do you call it ricochets?
Speaker 1: Oh like Robert Kennedy, Oh my goodness, they're flying all
Speaker 1: over the place. No, there is not. Because a bullet
Speaker 1: passes through glass, it doesn't ricochet off the glass. Right,
Speaker 1: I'd look at this you know, as long has it
Speaker 1: been now over twenty years ago, there's just no way.
Speaker 1: You know, two bullets passed through him, one missed. That's
Speaker 1: three bullets, and that can't account for the office window,
Speaker 1: and it can't account for the bullet holes in the
Speaker 1: facade of the building.
Speaker 3: You also describe that there was two different bullet trajectories.
Speaker 1: There had to be, because even though John Lennon's autopsy
Speaker 1: is officially under wraps, the corn Or did release what's
Speaker 1: known as a preliminary autopsy report to the press at
Speaker 1: the time. And I don't know, I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how graphic to get about this, but he was
Speaker 1: hit twice in the back, left back, and twice in
Speaker 1: the left shoulder. And all the witnesses who've come forward
Speaker 1: said that Chapman was standing behind him and to his right,
Speaker 1: so that means he was shooting from right to left.
Speaker 1: But the office window and the office door were to
Speaker 1: his right, So I think that the second shooter was
Speaker 1: in the vestibule across from the office. For those who
Speaker 1: steady things about political assassinations, there are you know, there's
Speaker 1: a guy who is called the insurance guy in case
Speaker 1: the target is brought down. His job is to make
Speaker 1: sure that happened. I was just reading an article last
Speaker 1: night too, where this doctor was saying that the original
Speaker 1: doctor who took credit, if you will, for working on
Speaker 1: John ln and was lying.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: So this guy, I can't remember his name, but this
Speaker 1: guy was saying, Oh, I'm the one who held John
Speaker 1: Lennon's HURRT in my hands. And anyway, I bring that
Speaker 1: up because he was describing that all the interest wounds
Speaker 1: to John Lennon weren't for in his back, they were
Speaker 1: in his chest. It totally contradicts everything that I've ever
Speaker 1: read about it.
Speaker 3: Where is that the contention that the Chapman yell dot
Speaker 3: hey John, and John turned around and that's how he
Speaker 3: got shot?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: We make that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the that's the official story. And I don't
Speaker 1: buy that at all, because none of the people who
Speaker 1: were there said that he said anything. And even Chapman himself,
Speaker 1: who's been interviewed a few times in prison, he's never
Speaker 1: mentioned that he's said Hey John, Hey, mister Lennon. So
Speaker 1: I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: Let me let me ask a question too. We also
Speaker 3: hear about that John and Yoko's and their group that
Speaker 3: they had a group of people with how come we never?
Speaker 3: Do we know who these people are?
Speaker 1: No. That was written by a woman whose name escapes me,
Speaker 1: and I believe that her article appeared in perhaps in
Speaker 1: New Yorker some publication. She mentioned the group, and I
Speaker 1: know it was also picked up by EPI, but I've
Speaker 1: looked into it. I can't find out who this group
Speaker 1: that she mentioned is because no one's come up. You know,
Speaker 1: famous killings, and there's always people that are going to
Speaker 1: come out and go, hey, oh I was there, right,
Speaker 1: you know, or even something like Woodstock, Yeah I was
Speaker 1: at Woodstock, But in this case, no, no one was
Speaker 1: like running out there going hey, I was with John
Speaker 1: and Yolka at that time.
Speaker 3: So exactly.
Speaker 1: The thing about it is the pressor I portrayed as
Speaker 1: a quiet, lonely night in New York and they just
Speaker 1: got out of the limousine and there's no one else around.
Speaker 1: But that's not true. There were a lot people around.
Speaker 3: This might be a good time, take a little commercial break, okay,
Speaker 3: okay with Rod Harrell. You can can find them at
Speaker 3: the Rodharrow dot blogspot dot com. I think it's Rod
Speaker 3: dash Harrel dot blogspot dot com is a YouTube channel
Speaker 3: is orthocon Ghost where we're talking about his film Conspiracy,
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Speaker 3: Okay, welcome back to the Operaman Report. I'm your host,
Speaker 3: private investigator at Opperman. We're here with Rod Harrell, who's
Speaker 3: the filmmaker behind the John Lennon Conspiracy of Silence. You
Speaker 3: can find it on his YouTube channel orthocon Ghost, or
Speaker 3: you can also read He has a very detailed description
Speaker 3: of this, uh, this screenplay type thing. Roddsh Harrell dot
Speaker 3: blogspot dot com. Now, Rod, you're not the only one
Speaker 3: who thinks that there was a second shooter there, because,
Speaker 3: if I recall, uh, the cop, one of the cops
Speaker 3: who arrested Chapman and was walking was walking in said
Speaker 3: he was using Chapman's body as a shield in case
Speaker 3: because of the other shooter. Am I correct about that?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm trying to recall a cops name. Anyway, his
Speaker 1: report said that he used the suspect as a shield
Speaker 1: because he thought there were other people involved, right, But
Speaker 1: he was told that I, oh, no, that's the only guy.
Speaker 1: So that's what he left him. What about it is
Speaker 1: sort of odd because the cops weren't They did show
Speaker 1: up pretty fast, because the first two on the scene
Speaker 1: were very close to the Dakota. But still to think
Speaker 1: that something was still going on, you know, it's an
Speaker 1: odd It's definitely an odd thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, were there any other witnesses at the scene
Speaker 3: who described by hearing more shots as many as you
Speaker 3: have counted?
Speaker 1: I there are several people who were witnesses, either eyewitnesses
Speaker 1: or ear witnesses. I always found a couple that thought
Speaker 1: they aren't more than five shots, so I think that
Speaker 1: the other shots were silenced, much like this whole you know,
Speaker 1: thinking about his murder, people have to understand, you know,
Speaker 1: it's been almost forty years, believe it or un since
Speaker 1: he was shot. And I can't remember if it was
Speaker 1: Sean Win and someone had come out and said that,
Speaker 1: if that, John would be the only person at that
Speaker 1: time who could have rallied a million people to go
Speaker 1: to the White House and protest, for example, And that
Speaker 1: seemed like an exaggeration, perhaps to our younger singers out there,
Speaker 1: But no, he was. John Lennon was a big deal
Speaker 1: on his time, and.
Speaker 3: Back in those days, two people actually left their house,
Speaker 3: they did insiround all day long, looking at Twitter and
Speaker 3: staring at their phones all day long. They actually went
Speaker 3: to events and actually did things, interacted with other people.
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna ask you for that. Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: Now, John Lennon was under constant surveillance, right FBI irons,
Speaker 4: every everyone had, We're keeping their eye on John Lennon.
Speaker 3: Am I correct?
Speaker 1: Yes, John Lennon was. Once he moved to the United States,
Speaker 1: he was under constant surveillance. Initially by my I n
Speaker 1: S which is now ice and uh. But even the
Speaker 1: Army intelligence is spying on him too. I mean these
Speaker 1: you can look crap. I can't remember the name of
Speaker 1: the book, but there's a very good book about the
Speaker 1: author's John Lener. I can't remember the name of his book.
Speaker 1: Good book that looks into how the US government was
Speaker 1: spying on John Lennon. You know, why why was there
Speaker 1: so much? I mean, that's a lot of time and
Speaker 1: effort and money to be spent on you know, a
Speaker 1: quote unquote ex beetle. But he was survealed, I think,
Speaker 1: on him up until the day he died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my question. If we have all these different
Speaker 3: agents and cops tripping over each other to keep an
Speaker 3: eye on John Lennon, where would they the knife if
Speaker 3: he was being shot? Though we don't have a report
Speaker 3: from them, you know, like where's this?
Speaker 1: There? Probably is, I don't you mean? John Weener definitely
Speaker 1: did his homework. It got those of freedom of information
Speaker 1: at requests, but you know that doesn't well, we know
Speaker 1: that the government doesn't always give you the information you
Speaker 1: asked for. Anyway, It's definitely in a FBI document that
Speaker 1: he encovered. I believe or Bresler that I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but anyway, they said, then after he got his green
Speaker 1: card and Carter was an office, they said, you know,
Speaker 1: let's back off on a surveillance, but if the subject
Speaker 1: i e. Jounglemen does anything outside the scope of the
Speaker 1: agreement that his lawyers had reached to the government, in
Speaker 1: other words, stop In other words, John stopped, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about the government that he was supposed to go
Speaker 1: back on twenty four hour surveillance. And I think the
Speaker 1: fact that he was planning on and Yoko and Sean
Speaker 1: were planning on going to San Francis Ago, if he
Speaker 1: had lived that following weekend to support striking doc workers
Speaker 1: against the conglomerate Kiko mom that definitely violated the agreement
Speaker 1: that he had put up or had agreement that David
Speaker 1: patched out with the government.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's any truth to that story or
Speaker 3: is it like an urban legend that they were following
Speaker 3: David Peel that night instead of Jolling and that they
Speaker 3: got mixed up and we're following the wrong guy.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised because there are documents that have
Speaker 1: been released from the FBI where they have they're talking
Speaker 1: about their surveillance. This is around nineteen seventy two. I
Speaker 1: believe in the pictures have David Peale as longing for Chung.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, then maybe that's how the story got started there, Okay,
Speaker 3: because he rested the stated recently in the last year.
Speaker 3: I know I wanted to get him on the show.
Speaker 3: I should have. I was always putting it off as
Speaker 3: one of those guys like, yes, a lot of people
Speaker 3: out there, you gotta grab now before they pass on.
Speaker 1: Man the moral Yes, he was, I moralized in the
Speaker 1: song New York City.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. What about Now? Have you looked into
Speaker 3: the whole connection of Elliott Mints and all this?
Speaker 1: You know? Elliott Mints is described officially as the good
Speaker 1: friend of John and Yoko, a confidant and for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, at the time in the early seventies,
Speaker 1: he was working here in Los Angeles. I can't remember
Speaker 1: what station he worked for off in, but that's how
Speaker 1: he met John Lennon when John Lennon had come over
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles journey the so called Lost Weekend when
Speaker 1: he was separated from Yoko. Elliott is an interesting character.
Speaker 1: He just seems to be there. I don't know where
Speaker 1: you're trying to say that he was maybe operative.
Speaker 3: Well, I find it interesting that you know his his story,
Speaker 3: his his version of events. You know that he was
Speaker 3: calling down to the guard House down there because he
Speaker 3: happened to have the phone number of the guard house.
Speaker 3: And then he left and he left LA to come
Speaker 3: to New York before he knew there was a death.
Speaker 1: Uh. Oh, that's true. That is true.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple of other things about Elliott
Speaker 3: mans that he pucks up my ears and he later
Speaker 3: on went to work for Paris Hilton. Uh. But what's
Speaker 3: probably no one else in the whole world knows is
Speaker 3: that he also worked with Gino Rodriguez, who was the
Speaker 3: agent for Stormy Daniels and uh, Karen McDougal. Y.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Elliott gets around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's quite wealthy today. What how does he
Speaker 3: make this money? Just producing? Because he didn't have a
Speaker 3: lot of big.
Speaker 1: Clients Elliott or Auvanatti, Elliott, Elliott is Elliott. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: had to throw in my AVNATI think anyway, good question.
Speaker 1: It's the same question of like, how do politicians go
Speaker 1: into office making one hundred and seventy four thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year and come out millionaires. Elliott, My main criticism
Speaker 1: with Elliott is that he really seemed to be someone
Speaker 1: who took advantage of people's misery for his own game.
Speaker 1: I know that's cruel to say, but that's my take
Speaker 1: on Elliott. Sorry Elliott listening. But Elliott was sort of
Speaker 1: the de facto spokesperson for Yoko after John was shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: And he was right there. I mean, he came to
Speaker 1: the Dakota. He said he was answering phones and and
Speaker 1: all this. He was the one who supposedly handled this
Speaker 1: whole the blackmail scheme of someone had gotten into the
Speaker 1: morgue there in New York and took a photo of
Speaker 1: John on the slab, as they say, and they were
Speaker 1: threatening to sell it unless Yoko gave him ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And he worked that out, but he didn't do a
Speaker 1: good job of it, because the wound up being published
Speaker 1: in the National Choir anyway. And of course, if you
Speaker 1: really want to go into it, there's the whole project Walrus,
Speaker 1: which was the name given by Frederic Seamen to this
Speaker 1: thing that Frederick Seema was a personal assistant of John
Speaker 1: Yoko at the time, and after John died, he was
Speaker 1: stealing a quit out of the apartment and he stole
Speaker 1: John on his journals. And their whole thing was to
Speaker 1: discredit Yoko and Frederick Seeman to be the real keeper
Speaker 1: of John Lennon, you know legacy.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 1: Charged but didn't serve any jail time. I think he
Speaker 1: got five years probation. So there was a lot of
Speaker 1: crap going on. I mean there were things where like envelopes,
Speaker 1: dates of envelopes had been changed, and just a lot
Speaker 1: of weird stuff that was happening in the first couple
Speaker 1: of years after he was shot, Like.
Speaker 3: Dates of envelopes were being changed. What do you mean.
Speaker 1: There was a There was a This was David Schiff
Speaker 1: and his partner had wrote this article and appeared in
Speaker 1: Playboy I want to say, early nineteen eighty three about
Speaker 1: Yoko and about Project Walters. And there was a letter
Speaker 1: that had been sent to the Dakota before the shoot
Speaker 1: that the anonymous author said that he was on the
Speaker 1: mission and he was going to go to New York
Speaker 1: on his mission. The mission wasn't clear, but when they
Speaker 1: looked at the envelope again, the postmark had been changed
Speaker 1: from before the shooting, after the shooting, and that's another
Speaker 1: odd aspect of the of what was going on. There
Speaker 1: was just a lot of people have to understand too,
Speaker 1: that there was Watergate, there was the Church investigations, rank
Speaker 1: Church into the nefarious nature of our intelligence agencies and
Speaker 1: really blew the lid and showed the public about such
Speaker 1: programs as say, Operation Mongoose or MK Ultra. And to
Speaker 1: believe that just because they were exposed by Congress in
Speaker 1: the mid seventies, that these operations disappeared and are no
Speaker 1: longer in use as naive I think, and what was
Speaker 1: I trying to say? I guess basically that John Lennon
Speaker 1: was really at the forefront of doing a lot of
Speaker 1: things that you know, musicians would never dream of doing today. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is on sites such as YouTube.
Speaker 1: You could go and watch his interviews with Tom Snyder
Speaker 1: and Tomorrow Show. I would also recommend watching his interviews
Speaker 1: with David Frost or the Cabot because he was quite
Speaker 1: upfront about how he felt about what was going on
Speaker 1: in his new adopted country.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, see you mentioned how this is
Speaker 3: very unlikely that these assassination programs and m K ultra
Speaker 3: and stuff like that would have stopped, especially especially when
Speaker 3: there's no oversight of it now, no one's even no
Speaker 3: one's even looking into it. So you know, if there's
Speaker 3: less attention toward it now by the Congress and by
Speaker 3: the House, you know, it would be flourishing even more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because now they're all portrayed as our heroes, which
Speaker 1: I think is like to me growing up during that
Speaker 1: period of time, that's ridiculous. Intelligence operas aren't your heroes.
Speaker 1: I mean, they work to subvert subvert our democracy every day.
Speaker 1: I think. Unfortunately, just John Lenning got caught up in
Speaker 1: that whole thing, there are a lot, I mean, there
Speaker 1: are other things that were happening it. You know, there
Speaker 1: were other people who were being targeted to if you
Speaker 1: want to get into it. I mean there's a whole
Speaker 1: list of people who are just mysteriously were killed, not
Speaker 1: only during the seventies but even up to today. I
Speaker 1: mean John Lennon was the person I think who was
Speaker 1: uncomfortable though with sort of the mantle and crown that
Speaker 1: he was given as far as being a you know,
Speaker 1: radical subversive person. He was just trying to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: Like one of my favorite songs of his is called
Speaker 1: give me some truth in truth, the truth sometimes that
Speaker 1: gets you killed.
Speaker 3: Can you give us some other examples of other people
Speaker 3: with mysterious tests around around a period.
Speaker 1: Around that particular in the seventies, It doesn't have to.
Speaker 3: Be the seventies in recent history.
Speaker 1: Uh well, I always start with the famous one in Dallas,
Speaker 1: or John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy. I
Speaker 1: even believe, like Peter Tosh, for example, for those people
Speaker 1: who are into Peter Tosh, I don't think he was
Speaker 1: murdered by a drug bust. I think he was killed
Speaker 1: by the government. People speak out because you have attendance,
Speaker 1: if they have a huge platform, and they have a
Speaker 1: tendency to be simons one way or another. The conventional wisdom,
Speaker 1: of course is it JFK, Martin Luther King, r ok
Speaker 1: All killed by just like John Lennon crazy one assassins.
Speaker 1: But you know that's not true, even though the the
Speaker 1: you know, the mouth piece of the government that we
Speaker 1: call our media, continues to tell us that they were
Speaker 1: long nuts. But even the King is a great example
Speaker 1: where there was a uh what do they call it,
Speaker 1: a civil civil trial that said the government was involved
Speaker 1: in in Martin Luther King's assassination.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think one of the judges involved with that
Speaker 3: was that TV judge judge Joe Brown.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, good old, yes, good old judge Joe Brown.
Speaker 1: So I mean you can get I mean, you can
Speaker 1: get into a lot of that. You could say, you know,
Speaker 1: did Frank Zappa really die when they say died. I
Speaker 1: mean there are a lot of rabbit holes who could
Speaker 1: certainly go down to again go down.
Speaker 3: Let me it's back the John Lennon for a second.
Speaker 3: Did you come Have you come up with any new
Speaker 3: information since you've put in the document.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have, but not it wasn't a big enough
Speaker 1: thing for me to go back and like put it
Speaker 1: into the documentary. I found out just to happenstance about
Speaker 1: two or three years ago, because someone had posted a
Speaker 1: link to my to the documentary on some chatboard, and
Speaker 1: someone had said that in the winter, the staff of
Speaker 1: the Dakota would put a would set up an outer
Speaker 1: door that you could walk into before you actually went
Speaker 1: into the office. They'd set that up in the winter
Speaker 1: so people could go in and like wipe their feet off.
Speaker 1: So that's what was actually hit. It wasn't the actual
Speaker 1: office door of the building. It was this little vestibule
Speaker 1: that they would put out during the winter. But that
Speaker 1: didn't change anything as far as what I believe happened
Speaker 1: that night. If anything, had made it more obvious that
Speaker 1: there was more than one shooter. I've seen more pictures
Speaker 1: of the better pictures of the off the office store,
Speaker 1: and there's four bullet holes in the office door.
Speaker 3: Oh really? Okay, right?
Speaker 1: And another thing I should bring up too is Jay Hastings,
Speaker 1: who was featured in the Rolling Stone article that came
Speaker 1: out right after that famous Rolling Stone issue with John
Speaker 1: naked John Lennon on the cover with the Yoglano. Jay
Speaker 1: hasting is. His tale has remained the same, hasn't changed
Speaker 1: as far as I know. But he said that he
Speaker 1: had heard gunshots and then the office window broke right
Speaker 1: above his head, so the bullet had passed right over
Speaker 1: his head, which to me is another example of a
Speaker 1: second shooter, because you know, bullets travel faster than sound.
Speaker 1: And he was very explicit by saying that he heard
Speaker 1: gunshots and then the office window broke.
Speaker 3: It's interesting too that the gun wound up in the drawer.
Speaker 3: That's drawer of a maintenance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's another That's another thing that we talked
Speaker 1: about earlier, was the chain of evidence had been broken.
Speaker 1: Chapman dropped the gun and started calling me reading a
Speaker 1: picture in there as you do you shot someone, and
Speaker 1: Jose Prodomo kicked the gun away. I can't remember his
Speaker 1: her name, but like the maintenance man of the Dakota
Speaker 1: billing manny manny m a n y manny kicked the
Speaker 1: gun up, took it back down to the basement to
Speaker 1: his office, and stuck it into the desk drawer. And
Speaker 1: we know this because of one of the police reports
Speaker 1: where the policeman said that he discovered, you know, he
Speaker 1: learned that this happened, and he went down and got
Speaker 1: the gun out of the office. Uh, you know, out
Speaker 1: of the desk in the office. So that's thirty minutes
Speaker 1: where you know, anything can have happened to that. But
Speaker 1: in the long run, none of that mattered, because as
Speaker 1: far as the New York Police are concerned, the case
Speaker 1: was closed. They had the killer, you confessed, There was
Speaker 1: no real investigation, and everyone was happy.
Speaker 3: Am I confused? Was did they put a bag over
Speaker 3: Chapman's head? A paper bag?
Speaker 1: The photos of Chapman being hustled in and out of
Speaker 1: the police. Uh, he's got what it looks to me
Speaker 1: like he's got a coat over his head.
Speaker 3: Okay, But like a lot.
Speaker 1: Of weird things, we've seen this before with assassins. I
Speaker 1: suppose it's that they're being dragged in front of what
Speaker 1: they call it the perp walk. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of times, a lot of times they're covered and we
Speaker 1: don't even see their faces. Since I brought up New
Speaker 1: Zealand earlier, they won't even you know, when they show
Speaker 1: the picture of the suspect in court, they blur his
Speaker 1: face out. So this odd thing about why can't we
Speaker 1: see these people's faces?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's just in New Zealand too, that he
Speaker 3: actually live stream that he filmed it when he was
Speaker 3: doing it, and like one million, three hundred thousand people
Speaker 3: tried to post it on Facebook and they blocked it
Speaker 3: every single time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mentioned earlier about artificial intelligence. You know,
Speaker 1: we're not dealing with a lot of times we think
Speaker 1: we're dealing with people, but we're not. We're dealing with
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence, which I think is kind of a scary thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, eventually is artificial intelligence is going to decide
Speaker 1: that your electricity is going to be cut off or
Speaker 1: now in the modern cars, you know you don't pay
Speaker 1: your insurance, that they just shut your car off.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: It's definitely yeah, you could. Well it's marketed is Oh,
Speaker 1: here's the thing that you can plug into your car
Speaker 1: to help the insurance company track your miles and maybe
Speaker 1: you'll get a lower rate. That's how it sold to you.
Speaker 1: But you know, eventually it's going to happen if you
Speaker 1: don't pay or build and your car won't start. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the slippery slope of this what's been going on,
Speaker 1: especially I think in the last ten years.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, the whole thing is getting really scary, and
Speaker 3: people are just hypnotized where their phones are just staring
Speaker 3: at those things twenty four hours a day, losing all
Speaker 3: human contact. But Rod, we are at a time that
Speaker 3: what do you want to leave Okay, what do you
Speaker 3: want to leave us with?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that the video is no longer get restricted,
Speaker 1: and so I hope people go out and watch it
Speaker 1: and you know, you can come to your own conclusions.
Speaker 1: But it's another example of a story that We've been
Speaker 1: told that is not what it seems. And you just
Speaker 1: can't get around the fact that people you know, at
Speaker 1: the time, as high up as Nixon and the Army,
Speaker 1: the CIA and FBI and all the other alphabets, we're
Speaker 1: out there spying on John Lennon because they thought he
Speaker 1: was a subversive threat to the United States government, which
Speaker 1: is wild when you think about that. So you know,
Speaker 1: do your due diligence. People go out there and research.
Speaker 3: Rod Harold, thank you so much. You can find him
Speaker 3: at Rod dash Harrell at blogspot dot com and the
Speaker 3: YouTube is orthocon Ghost. Thank you Rod, Thank you.
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Speaker 3: host prev investigator at Opperman. You might want to go
Speaker 3: back and check my first interview I did with Rod Harold,
Speaker 3: so you can find it on YouTube and spreaker everywhere,
Speaker 3: and really go into a lot of detail on that
Speaker 3: first interview basically about different aspects of the general and assassination.
Speaker 3: In this interview, we really wanted to talk about the
Speaker 3: censorship of the first video and how I don't think
Speaker 3: we went into it in great detail as much as
Speaker 3: we could have, but basically what happened was, you know,
Speaker 3: he posted about New Zealand. Forty five minutes later, they
Speaker 3: have his age restricted. You know, all of his content
Speaker 3: has been demonetized years ago, so they're really trying to
Speaker 3: shut this down and silence his work. And then out
Speaker 3: of the blue, right after he messages me on Twitter
Speaker 3: and says, hey, you know I said you want to
Speaker 3: come on a show and talk about it, say, hey,
Speaker 3: they took the infrastruction off. So yeah, there's so many
Speaker 3: things that go on with YouTube and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's just such a shady place, man, And I really.
Speaker 4: Get creeped out by YouTube in all different directions you
Speaker 4: can't imagine. And the kind of stuff I was talking
Speaker 4: about there where they have these little kids doing these
Speaker 4: perverted things on there, and the comments in there are
Speaker 4: just so blatantly Everyone visiting those those YouTube videos are
Speaker 4: there for perversion.
Speaker 3: There's just no doubt about it. And but yet nothing
Speaker 3: is done to shut that down. But on the other hand,
Speaker 3: you know you have to be age restricted to watch
Speaker 3: you John Wannon assassination video. So that's where we're headed
Speaker 3: with all this beware of YouTubers. Guys, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: tell you, beware of YouTuber is if you're out there,
Speaker 3: if you're not being attacked, and silence on YouTube is
Speaker 3: a brom Okay, all right, think of that, and maybe
Speaker 3: people shouldn't getting all their news and information from YouTube,
Speaker 3: all these wild bizarre theories out there. All right, guys,
Speaker 3: have a good night. Thank you so much,