WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:06.120 Forensic Psychology is a podcast that provides an illuminating window 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:11.439 into the workings of the criminal mind. Now here's your host, 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:13.919 doctor Carlos. 4 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:35.159 Welcome back everybody. Today we have a special guest, Ryan Blackwell. 5 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.240 You can find more information about Ryan at Well trained 6 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:41.679 elite dot com. He's a veteran of the US Navy. 7 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:45.719 He's also a Purple Heart recipient. He's a USA Wrestling 8 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.560 Bronze certified coach. He also has a bachelor's and Science 9 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:54.679 and exercise Physiology, Strength and Conditioning, Nutrition, wrestling the NCAA Wrestlers. 10 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:56.240 So today we're going to be talking about a lot 11 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.159 of different topics. One of the topics we're going to 12 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:04.879 cover is this incredible experience that he had, unfortunately and 13 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.599 fortunately that he made it through where he was actually 14 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:10.560 in the Pensacle and Navy base shooting. We're going to 15 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.040 be listening to that story. A little bit later on, 16 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:15.959 he's going to be talking about that when he confronted 17 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.319 the gunman who approached the door. We're going to be 18 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.840 listening to that story. We're also going to be talking 19 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.239 about fitness and health. We'll be talking about wrestling, but 20 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:27.400 most of all also about keeping cool and calm under 21 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:30.120 high stress situations. So this is going to be one 22 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:31.879 of those great podcasts. 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Welcome to the show, 26 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:39.920 Ryan Blackwell, Welcome sir. 27 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:41.640 Thank you, thanks for having me. 28 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:43.560 Thank you very much for being here. 29 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:46.680 And I forgot to mention this before we started the show, 30 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.719 but thank you very much for your service as well. 31 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.280 So Ryan, before we get to that incredible time that 32 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.840 you had two years ago, the herrowing experience, before we 33 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:57.120 get to. 34 00:01:57.120 --> 00:01:59.359 That, when I learn a little bit more about you, what. 35 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:00.079 Got you into right. 36 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:05.599 Came background. I mean my father he wrestled and it 37 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.400 never pushed it on me. Really. It was a actually 38 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:11.520 I was like in pe class I remember, like elementary school, 39 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.120 and they had like a wrestling week or whatever, and 40 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:15.919 that's where I first learned. I came home until my 41 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.240 dad said, hey, on a wrestle and he's like, I 42 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:20.319 got you. Then from there it was just like wide open, 43 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:24.000 you know. And I was when that happened, and you know, 44 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.319 it's kind of took me, took me for a ride 45 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.520 and really built me as a young man. 46 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:31.400 You know, I really love wrestling a lot. People who've 47 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:34.759 heard my podcasts are Urban Combatives. We've had a couple 48 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.159 of wrestlers on here, and I always found such a 49 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:38.879 great sport because it helps you in. 50 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.000 So many different ways. 51 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:45.680 The discipline factor, the conditioning factor, the mindset factor we'll 52 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:48.919 be talking about later. Also the I think the self 53 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:50.520 defense factor is pretty big. 54 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:52.599 I mean we saw that. I don't know if you're 55 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.759 a follower of UFC or not, Oh yeah, but. 56 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.840 You remember years back. I mean and even now, anybody 57 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:03.000 who sees a wrestler knows knows where that fight's going 58 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:05.120 to end up. It's very unlikely it doesn't go to 59 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.240 the ground. Did you find that wrestling helped you at all? 60 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:10.199 I mean, it helped you a lot in the sense 61 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.599 of feeling confident, feeling more secure about yourself. 62 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:18.759 Yeah, definitely, you know, especially developing like a competitive mindset 63 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:23.159 at an early age. It really kind of did that 64 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.439 for me. And then you know, you just just you 65 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.120 build on that, and then it just you set goals, 66 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.240 you accomplished them, So goals accomplished them, and it just 67 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.120 paralleled with life a lot and I feel like my 68 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.080 dad kept me kind of on the straight and arrow 69 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:36.919 as far as coaching me, and I had other great 70 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:41.759 coaches and mentors along the road as well. And yeah, 71 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.159 it really really I think played factor just molding me right, 72 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.439 because it was it was a mentality that I was 73 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:53.000 developing kind of subconsciously without really knowing, right, working hard, 74 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:54.919 knowing hard work pays off, or trying to be the 75 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:58.159 hardest worker in the room, or whatnot, developing all those 76 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.599 principles and characteristics. 77 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.960 Not just in the sense of feeling I don't want 78 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:05.800 to say secure, but I guess I guess you could 79 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.240 say secure in yourself, feeling that if somebody was to 80 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:09.879 bully you, somebody was to pick on you, and you 81 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:10.759 can take care of yourself. 82 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:11.400 Did you ever have that? 83 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.360 Yes, definitely. I mean it's you always kind of like 84 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.240 every wrestling season, anything about it, Like if it's a 85 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.680 lot of kids tested, you know, you wrestle for two 86 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:22.279 years and you wrestle for three years. Now the new 87 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:24.399 kid comes in room. What's easy to wrestle somebody that 88 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.000 doesn't know what they're doing, you know what I mean. 89 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.600 So it's kind of like, yeah, you get a sense 90 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.519 of like a little bit of like, Okay, I have 91 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:33.920 self confidence for sure, you know what I mean. I 92 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.319 know how to use my body, you know, a little 93 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.879 bit of spatial awareness, you know, because of boundaries on 94 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:41.399 the wrestling mat, right, you have to keep it in 95 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:46.120 bounds and body positioning and just leverage and yeah, all 96 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.240 that stuff really really just like I said, runs that 97 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:51.920 parallel with just life and applying it. 98 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:53.160 I did it. 99 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:55.720 I'm sorry. 100 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:57.040 Did it help it all. 101 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:58.160 During your Davy days? 102 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:03.680 Navy days? Yeah, definitely with the mindset coming in being structured, 103 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.480 you know what I mean. Wrestling's eighty percent mental uh, 104 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:09.560 twenty percent physical. That's just the skills and techniques you learn. 105 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:13.240 Then from there it's just muscle uh conditioning and reps, 106 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:17.040 you know, muscle memory and your mindset. That's what you 107 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:19.399 get out. There's a lot of goal setting and self talk, 108 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:21.480 you know, I mean, arousal control. You got to be 109 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.959 able to you know, like control your breathing, be able 110 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:27.319 to kind of like see yourself in the arena or 111 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.560 on the mat, wrestling some visionary opponent, right and getting yourself. 112 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:33.319 That's a sports psychology aspect behind it. So like that 113 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:35.839 that's the biggest thing, Like a lot of competitors and 114 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.079 all sports across the boards where we're really with something 115 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.920 as a individual as wrestling, where it's a one versus 116 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:44.279 one type of thing. That's that's where I think the 117 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.279 differences are one and lost the master. They're one of loss. 118 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.040 Like it's in your mind, like how how well you 119 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:52.160 like really tapped in and that's likes and wrestling's one 120 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.720 of those deals where like you got a choice put 121 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:56.240 to really, if you want to be successful, you got 122 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:58.480 to kind of adapt and adjust, you know what I mean, 123 00:05:58.519 --> 00:05:59.800 You got to develop that mindset. 124 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:02.680 That's great, that's extremely true. 125 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:04.920 And wife, a lot of people don't tend to adapt, 126 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.319 get stuck where they're at. And that's the interesting part 127 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.519 is when we talked. Now we'll talk about a little 128 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:16.279 bit about your story about what happened in Pensacola, because 129 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.879 you attribute a lot of why you were able to 130 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:20.279 get out of there and why you're able to do 131 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.279 what you did to your wrestling background, to your mindset. 132 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:25.160 But before we get to that, tell us a little 133 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.040 bit about what happened. 134 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:26.360 What it was. 135 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:29.399 The first thing you heard was it was a gunshots, 136 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.160 people yelling. What was the first thing to give you indication? 137 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:32.839 There was trouble. 138 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.959 Definitely, there's a gunshot that had sounded. It just echoed 139 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:38.879 through the building and then you kind of hear the 140 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:40.680 commotion unfold after that. 141 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.319 What did you do when you heard the gun shots? 142 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.079 So we there was like two other people in my 143 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.920 office and then like what we said, secured the office, 144 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.000 so you know, closed the door, and it took cover 145 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:58.120 on some furniture office twelve by sixteen roughly furniture as 146 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:00.639 you know, probably about ten feet away in the doors, 147 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:04.959 press press furniture, you know, basic office material. And there's 148 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:07.000 two windows located in the back of the office, and 149 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:09.920 one of the sailors that was in there took cover 150 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.560 behind one desk, and the other one took cover behind me, 151 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:14.920 behind the other desk and the other side of the office. 152 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.519 And that's kind of like as you know, and we 153 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.240 got we got to call off, called on on one 154 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.040 and then I had called the supervisor, told them not 155 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:24.319 to enter the building. And that's pretty much how how 156 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:28.480 the initial reaction went. Once the uh, the initial chaos unfolded. 157 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:30.079 Did you have any. 158 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:33.720 You know, people who are obviously who know about guns 159 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:37.079 that bullets can go through those desks? You still put 160 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:38.680 it in front of you because you never know why 161 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.839 you could hit inside of there. Did you think about 162 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.120 that at all, realizing Okay, this is kind of somewhat comfortable. 163 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:44.279 I can't relate too much on this. 164 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:49.879 Yeah. So it was kind of like quick and it 165 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:53.199 wasn't really like you had like time. It was just 166 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.360 like that happened, and then we are our target was 167 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.279 engaged or our office was engaged, and we were the 168 00:07:58.360 --> 00:07:58.680 next two. 169 00:07:58.759 --> 00:07:58.959 Wow. 170 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.399 Yeah, So it was just kind of happened, and then uh, 171 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:04.480 we were able to take cover and get a call 172 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.759 off and say, you know, kind of report the shooting 173 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:09.879 and then till the you know, the the other supers 174 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.160 for office, not the end of the building, and you know, 175 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.000 as he said that, that's whenever the gumy he had 176 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:19.480 shot out. The door was like half window pane half wood, 177 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.120 so he shut the window pane and stayed on the 178 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:23.800 other side of the door. So he just kind of 179 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:26.720 had the barrier of the door between us and just 180 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.959 shot us. Like I said, ten and twelve feet away. 181 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:34.080 I got hit six times, and then he had put 182 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.519 for he had hit a fourteen round magazine, so they 183 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:40.200 had put fourteen rounds in our office between the between 184 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:44.120 all of the wounds received between everyone rounds. Yeah, so 185 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:47.000 he had he had a pistol, a nine millimeter pistol 186 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:49.399 and fourteen rounds. 187 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:51.759 Man, what was going through your head at the time. 188 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.320 Initial reaction was like, oh, man, I've just been shot, 189 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.320 you know what I mean? But even prior to that, 190 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:04.399 I would say, you kind of it's like fight or 191 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:10.159 flight or freeze, right do And my initial reaction was like, 192 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:13.679 I'm not dying today, you know. That was that was 193 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:15.879 just kind of my mindset was like I just went 194 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.600 straight to that. And then it was like automatically like 195 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:21.840 solved the problem, you know, like that's like what this 196 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.120 is what we're it, what we got like solved the problem. 197 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:29.120 So that's like how it unfolded. Like once we were 198 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:32.000 there and we got engaged. I took around in my 199 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:34.919 arm and I was still on the call, and I 200 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.039 had dropped my phone, and I rotated and I covered 201 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.000 the female behind me, so I was still like a 202 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:41.039 I wasn't on top of her, but I was, you know, 203 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.559 roughly like a foot away from her, and I was 204 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.120 in a crouching position. And I had gotten hit five 205 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.720 more times and one off the side of my rib cage. 206 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:52.000 Under my right arm, and I took two in my 207 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.519 back since I was crouching. One on the right side 208 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.720 of my lower back hit came outside inside of my thigh, 209 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.759 and then the one and the left side of my 210 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:02.799 back hit my public and kill my left hip. And 211 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.200 then I took another round into the back of my 212 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.080 right calf then went into my left foot, and from 213 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:10.440 that moment, I just I I fell over right, and 214 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:13.639 then I just was like, was really stunned, you know. 215 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:15.919 And then I just like remember covering my head and 216 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.840 just saying like, all right, I don't get hit in 217 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:20.879 the head. Don't get hit in the head. You know. 218 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:22.799 It was my initial reaction. And then from there I 219 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.080 was like I kind of started like you don't want 220 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.039 to die, and then like you start getting a little 221 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.720 I got a little bit comfortable in a sense. I 222 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.039 found a little bit of peace, kind of accepted my 223 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:36.000 fate just because it was just ongoing and you're like, 224 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:37.919 all right, play dead from me in my dead you know, 225 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:39.080 I mean, you don't know if you're dead yet. Then 226 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.200 all of a sudden, my phone just started going off 227 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.600 against this so on the call, and it was just 228 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.720 saying like black while he's still there, so it made 229 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.480 me snap back into uh into things. I kind of 230 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.039 had a daze to me, and I was able to 231 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.600 come back through and I crawled over and got my 232 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.279 phone and I told him that we have all I 233 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:59.159 made a visual of the room and it was this 234 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.279 is fractions and I saw the female I had been 235 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:04.559 hitting her leg and I saw that the other sailing 236 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:06.600 office said that he's been She had a flesh wing 237 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.000 her leg and he had been hitting his leg. And 238 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:10.840 I looked at the door. I didn't see a shooter, 239 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:12.720 and I just said, hey, we've all been hit. I'm 240 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:14.279 gon get us out here. I'll call you back. And 241 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:16.840 then I just kind of just something like I only 242 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:18.919 thought I got hit twice, like I felt it my arm. 243 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.519 I felt the back of my leg, but I didn't 244 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:22.120 feel the rest right. And I had a lot of 245 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.080 adrenaline rolling, so I was I just hopped up and 246 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:27.480 I just ran to the window and worked on getting 247 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.840 the window open. But my there was an AC unit 248 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.840 in the window and I had removed the window AC unit, 249 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.200 but the window had slid down. In my right arm, 250 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:38.200 I got hit my median nerves, so that gave me 251 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:42.720 partial paralysis of my right limb and it I kind 252 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:44.200 of I didn't have function at the time of being 253 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:47.440 able to lift the window up, so I had another 254 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:49.240 two in office were able to get up and help 255 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:51.039 with the window. And then we had jumped out the 256 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.200 window and proceeded to you know, carry on to find 257 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.000 them and provide first aid. 258 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.080 Tense and tense man, So when. 259 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:01.440 You were. 260 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:04.639 You think you were you were helping. Did you go 261 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:06.440 out the window yet? Did you use your bloody arm? 262 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:07.639 I think it was a winded. 263 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.320 Yeah, so I had. I had went out the window. 264 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.519 It was probably like seven foot droppers, so nothing too 265 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.039 too bad. I was an elevated first level building, multiple 266 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:17.960 story building. When we're on the first level, I was 267 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.279 elevated and jumped out land in the butshes. The other 268 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:24.600 two proceeded to come behind me, and I just remember 269 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:27.320 elevating my arm on my head and I saw three 270 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.799 guys standing at a building across is about one hundred 271 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:35.840 yards away, and I the other person I was in office. 272 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.679 When they got out, they kind of heard somebody they 273 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:40.519 felt like coming back in, so they had went one 274 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.759 way and I had already took another sailor with me 275 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:45.080 and we started running towards the gentleman that I saw, 276 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:47.639 telling him active shooter and you know, trying to get 277 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.320 some help. And once we had gotten into the building, 278 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.639 that's whenever we were able to kind of like stop 279 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:56.960 for a second, you know, like really kind of like 280 00:12:57.159 --> 00:12:59.200 take a look at what just happened, because that at 281 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.799 first it was initial just get get out of there, 282 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:04.480 you know what I mean, And then like now it's like, okay, 283 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:08.039 let's see what we have. Let's like make the call again. 284 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.559 So I like, but but prior to all that, I 285 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:12.600 had to like really get myself back into the right 286 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:13.960 state of mind. So I was like trying to catch 287 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.559 my breath and process everything. So I just called my 288 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.759 wife real quick and told her I loved her, and 289 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:20.240 I told her to call the family and told my 290 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:22.080 love them. So I wanted to make sure she knew, 291 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:24.720 you know, and everything that just happened. And I went 292 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.320 right back to telling them like trying to get towels 293 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:30.639 and provide first aid. And then on my arm, I 294 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.039 was I was starting to black out a little bit 295 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:34.759 because I was a lot of losing a lot of 296 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:37.360 blood and I had just ran and I sat down 297 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.279 and I kicked my feet up, and then I ended 298 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:42.480 up kind of coming through again, and I just remember 299 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:44.559 on my belt. I reached for my belt and I 300 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:47.159 was able to get some assistance and take my belt 301 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.639 off and apply a tournique to my right arm with 302 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.759 my belt. And so that's where I thought the most 303 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.120 like quick fixed option was my arm because my leg. 304 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:56.879 I knew I had a bad spot on my leg. 305 00:13:56.919 --> 00:13:58.600 I just you know, I was just trying to move 306 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.919 and get out of the building. So I had gotten 307 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:02.840 them back on the phone. So I made the tourniquit 308 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.120 and the guy that I had previously called that my 309 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:08.840 supervisor that was on during the the he heard the 310 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.559 whole shooting. He was en route to come get me 311 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.720 because he was already on base, so I gave him 312 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.240 some directions. He came to the building, he picked me 313 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:17.879 and the other guy up, and then we were able 314 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.960 to get to the front gate. And once we got 315 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:22.879 to the front gate, it was kind of there was 316 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:25.240 a lot of traffics all pushed back and everything was 317 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.320 locked down, and there was trying to get the ambulance 318 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:32.240 up front wasn't working. So we ended up getting transported, well, 319 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:37.279 I got transported by the Sheriff's department here locally because 320 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:40.639 we just have time to wait, right, And so they 321 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.120 had put me in the back of the cruiser, and 322 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:45.679 I guess I was. I was like I got out 323 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:46.960 of the truck and I was walking around like when 324 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.639 I pulled up in the pickup truck from my supervisor. 325 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:52.399 I was walking around like saying, hey, you know, like 326 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.559 we got to get to the hospital now, and they're 327 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.759 like an once is coming and it wasn't coming yet 328 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:59.080 because it was so you know, traffic was backed up 329 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:02.799 and everything. So just tough situations since morning rush hour, right, 330 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.279 and that was on base and whatnot. And so the 331 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:08.759 one of the sheriffs you said, you're not dying on 332 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:11.320 my watch game my cruiser. So then I had opened 333 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.600 up the door and I saw another police officer back 334 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.480 that had been shot in the leg and it was 335 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:18.840 just bleeding out pretty good in the backseat of the car. 336 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:20.759 So as I crawled in the back of the car, 337 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.240 I stuck my left elbow into his wound on his 338 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:27.480 leg to stop the loss of blood. And then he 339 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:30.360 had ended up pulling on my turniquit because I was 340 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:32.559 holding on the tournique with my left arm to apply 341 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.279 the pressure. So we had to help me out by 342 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.320 pulling on the belt to help like keep my arm tight, 343 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.639 and that's what we did to the hospital, and yeah, 344 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.360 I ended up going into the hospital and once we 345 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.120 had pulled up the hossbody and I walked right in 346 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.480 and then kind of went from there as far as 347 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.279 what what actually happened happened, you know what I mean, 348 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.039 get the to what the damage is. 349 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.240 Incredible amount of mindfulness that you had being in that 350 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.559 presence stays that phenomenon. Now you attribute a lot of 351 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:06.200 that to you mentioned earlier, to wrestling helping you to 352 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.000 be able to stay calm and focused. 353 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:08.960 Is that true? 354 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:10.279 Right? 355 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:13.879 I would say, just with you're presenting a lot of 356 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:16.279 stressful situations in life in general, but especially with the 357 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.679 sport of wrestling. You know, you're a competitor. You're having 358 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.039 to make weight, You're going to practices, you got to 359 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.879 do school. There's a lot of different things. And I 360 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:28.440 haven't competed, you know, since two thousand and fifteen seasons, 361 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:30.039 so I've been I've been out of college for a 362 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:34.600 while now, but still sticks with you because it becomes 363 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.600 so muscle memory and second nature that the mindset is 364 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.519 just kind of instilled and you just it just builds 365 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.360 throughout life, right, you get a little bit of a 366 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:44.120 callus and a little bit more of a callous and 367 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.960 definitely staying composed. And I want to say like through 368 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.039 some of the military training as well, just being in 369 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:55.039 a stressful environment, staying composed and just like kind of 370 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:57.879 figure it out, yeah what I mean, not don't like 371 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:01.159 freak out, figure it out. So that was kind of 372 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:05.039 like the motto, but it was also like it's one 373 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:09.200 one shot. That's it, you know, like there's it's not 374 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:12.720 really like you can run it back or this don't work. 375 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:14.839 We got something. I was like, we're on a limited timeline. 376 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.279 Like throughout that duration of events, like I just described you, 377 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.480 it took twenty seven minutes from the moment I got 378 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.920 shot because of that phone call that I had made 379 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.119 to the point of acting the office, through all the 380 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.880 little checkpoints along the way to the to when I 381 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.480 had ride to the hospital. I had made one last 382 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:33.279 phone call to my father right when I was pulling 383 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.240 up tell him at where I was at, and he 384 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.440 was on his way there. My parents live out of states, 385 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.440 They're on their way already, and the kind of everything 386 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.160 logged the timeline, so it just kind of shows you 387 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.680 there in twenty seven minutes. It was it was a rush. 388 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.799 It was it seems like hours, you know, as it 389 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.839 unfolded in minutes in between, but it was seconds in fractions. 390 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:54.880 It was it moved fast. 391 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.680 Well, that's the weird things when I've spoken to police 392 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.680 officers and special forces guys as well, who in combat, 393 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.920 especially that the officers. There's one officer, Brian Murphy, a 394 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.799 buddy of mine. He was he encountered a mass shooter 395 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.039 and at a sick temple in Wisconsin. But we were 396 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.279 talking about time dilation. In twenty seven minutes, that's like 397 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:16.680 a week. Yeah, when you're that kind. 398 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.720 Of everything just slows down. 399 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.000 It's kind of interesting how our brain starts slowing everything 400 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:23.519 down and. 401 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:25.920