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your support. As I said, I am a man of

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my word. In the first hour, I said I would

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be discussing this topic, and so here it is. Yesterday,

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arguments were heard in the US Supreme Court about IEBA,

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which everybody knows all about, at least on Twitter. I

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was not aware how many experts on the International Emergency

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Economic Powers Act of nineteen seventy seven existed on Twitter.

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There's almost as many experts on this as there are

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on deep water submersibles and the pressure required to crush them.

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But anyway, the Supreme Court heard the oral arguments in

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two different cases, but they were like put together. The

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case is I have it here, somewhere in the stack

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of stuff. Here it is Learning Resources Inc. Versus Trump, right,

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and this is about Donald Trump's so called emergency tariffs. Okay.

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There were three categories of tariffs at issue here. First

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was the worldwide ten percent tariff. That's the first one.

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The second one was the Liberation Day tariffs, aimed at

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closing trade deficits in goods, so the worldwide ten percent,

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then the Liberation Day tariffs, and then the third round

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where the tariffs on Mexico, Canada, and China. Those were

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in retaliation for fentanyl trafficking. Okay. The Solicitor General representing

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the administration in this case was John Sower, and in

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all of the reports that I have seen about how

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the oral arguments went down, this did not go well

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for him. And it kind of makes sense because, like

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from a legal argument standpoint, it's a tough sell. This

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is a pretty tough thing to try to defend. According

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to the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, or the IEEPA,

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or as I call it, the a EBA because it's

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just fun to say it that way, the Court this,

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according to the editors at National Review, the Court should

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rule that the congressional power to tax cannot be delegated

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without clear and unambiguous statutory language and identifiable limiting principles.

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This is the very core of the Article one power

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of the legislature, the power to tax.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: This has been a hallmark, a bedrock understanding in our

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American governing system from the very beginning. And it makes

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sense because you don't want a king. Dare I say

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it not to sound like a no king's lefty activist,

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but yeah, you don't want the king to be in

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control of all of the purse strings. AIPA has no

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unambiguous statutory language and no identifiable limiting principles. It never

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mentions tariffs, taxes, or any synonym for them. No prior

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president has ever argued that AEPA authorizes tariffs, so this

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is a brand new argument and a new use of

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this law. The most that AEPA says is that the

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president may regulate the importation or exportation of foreign goods

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during a non wartime emergency, can regulate import and export

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during non wartime emergency. Broader powers are granted during wartime,

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when presidents may have more sweeping Article two authority of

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their own. So, by the way, Article one of the

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Constitution is the legislature right. The powers of the legislature.

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Article two is the executive powers, and then Article three

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is the judicial powers. Okay, so the Solicitor General John

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Sower can seeded that the administration does not claim that

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presidents have any inherent authority to impose tariffs in peacetime.

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What they have has to come from a law. Moreover,

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many other statutes do grant teriff related powers to the president,

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but are much more carefully limited in doing so. Trump

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used AIPA specifically so he could circumvent all of those

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constraints while invoking an open ended emergency that courts would

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be hesitant to review. That's precisely the sort of too

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clever by half exploitation of vague at best statutory language

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that the court has regularly rejected. Right, it's a what's

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the When the left does something like this, they call

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it it's a it's a novel legal theory. Right, This

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is what it was. That's how they describe the lawsuit

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against the North Carolina legislature over the redistrict maps. It's

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a novel legal theory. In other words, it's made up.

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It's brand new, never tested. We're going to throw this

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against the wall, see if it sticks. There was broad

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concern about the nearly limitless powers claimed by the administration,

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and specific concern that it was invading the core control

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of Congress over taxation without a specific grant delegating that

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power to the president. Sour then had to acknowledge also

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that under Trump's theory, a future president could declare a

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global climate emergency. That's right. Roy Cooper did this as governor,

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except he did it with education. Right, he issued this,

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this fake emergency declaration. And what's to stop a Democrat

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who gets into the White House from issuing a climate emergency.

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I mean, the Guy of Earth is not happy going

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to kill us. So, I mean, we have generations of

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kids that have been raised on this belief, and so

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they'll believe it. They'll go along with it. They'll say, yes,

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it is a climate emergency. Throw a couple of people

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middle of the street to block traffic during rush hour. Yeah,

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I'm pretty sure that they could organize enough support, you know,

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astro turfed or not. But they can organize enough of

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these kinds of actions to apply pressure and get a

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Democrat president to do it. Not that they would need

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a whole lot of convincing because they believe it as well.

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So you call for a or you declare a climate emergency,

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and then you could unlock these kinds of sweeping powers

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that would get no review by the courts if this

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case succeeds for Trump. Justice Sonia Sotomayor suggested that such

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an emergency could have been used to forgive student law owns.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you actually had COVID emergency going on at

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the time, right, So Biden could have done that under

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this theory of the law that the Trump administration is using,

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Joe Biden could have used IEPA, declare an emergency for COVID,

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then use IEPA and and do whatever he wants.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Justice Neil Gorsitch raised more fundamental questions. Could Congress simply

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delegate away all of its powers, right if the court

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rules in Trump's favor. Is the court then creating a

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one way ratchet in which those powers can never be

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clawed back As a practical matter, Right, if Congress keeps

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delegating the Okay, well let'll just turn it over to you. Oh,

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we'll just turn it over to you. And you just

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keep turning over more and more power to the executive

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branch because it happens to be your guy in charge

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at the moment. Right when does it ever return to Congress?

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Sours insistence that tariffs are regulations with only incidental benefits

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of raising revenue. It kind of flails upon the administration'

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zone claim that they will raise trillions of dollars and

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help close the budget deficit. So he goes to court

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and he makes the argument that the revenue being generated,

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that's not really the primary function of the tariffs. No, no, no,

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that's just incidental. These are regulations, that's what we're after. Like,

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that's a theory.

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And here's a very good point from an anonymous seven

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name in a text like I can connect it. I

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can end your name just first name is fine, so

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I can identify you I name in the text when

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I read your text on the air. But this is

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a great point also that a future president could declare

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guns as a health problem right and declare national emergency

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over gun violence. And now that would allow a future

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president to do whatever he or she wanted to start,

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taking guns right or restricting their purchase, restricting AMMO, just

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doing all sorts of things without the legislative branch's input.

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The National Review says beyond allowing presidents to impose and

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change taxes without the legislature, And that's the lynchpin here,

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is that these are taxes and that has to originate

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in the House. That's the constitution. The creation of an

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executive slush fund of monies raised by executive FIAT gives

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presidents fiscal independence from Congress, right, because the money that's

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generated from the tariffs was used to pay off something

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with the shutdown. I forget what, I think it was,

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the Women and Infant Children's program. They took like three

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hundred million out of the tariff revenue. Well, so what

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the president now just gets a slush fund like that

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to fund different things in government. And it doesn't matter

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to me whether you think or I think the program

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was worthy of funding. That's irrelevant. The point is that

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some future president can decide to use the money for

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something else, and it's not going to be a good program,

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and it's not constitutional. The spending is supposed to originate

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in the House. Fear of a self financing executive goes

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back as far as England's Glorious Revolution. And was revived

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as recently as the Biden administry's threat to start issuing

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debt without Congress. This is the same argument I have

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with these calls now to scrap the filibuster. You're not

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going to be in power forever. Think about how these

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tools will be used by people that you oppose, and

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if you don't want to see your opponents with these powers,

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then you shouldn't be advocating the implementation of the powers.

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Let me go over here and get Mike on. Hello, Mike,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hello Pee, good afternoon, Good afternoon to you. I was

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telling and I think it was Isaac they picked up,

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and I said, you know, it's not every day. I

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guess she has to call up the PreK counter show

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and agree with your analysis.

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Speaker 1: You could. Well, that's not true, Mike. You could totally.

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You could do that every single day. My analysis is

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that good?

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Speaker 2: Well this afternoon, Yes, regarding this issue, I will give

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you big thumbs up, and you're right. I could do it.

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I could do it every day, but that would not

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be true being true to me here. Yeah, I know,

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but you know it's I think what you were saying

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and the way you analyze that I think was spot on.

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I actually listened to the argument yesterday Live, and you're correct.

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It did not go particularly well with John Sower, the

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Solicitor General, who was trying to argue the administration's point

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of view on this. And in fact, you will appreciate this.

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It reminded me a little bit of when I call

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your show on most occasions, because he was getting peppered

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with some really, really tough probing questions about his arguments,

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and I'm thinking to myself, you know, his should call

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on the pre Caunter Show sometimes because that'll be good

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practice when he gets to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very kind of you. But I look, I

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also maintain control over the phone connection, which the Supreme

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Court kind of does too. So that's your the lawyer like.

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It's one of the things that drives me nuts about

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the oral arguments is the amount of interruptions that they do.

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I don't I'm not a fan.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's kind of the nature of the beast.

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I've not ever been to never never been up to schools.

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I've been in front of the Supreme Court of North

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Carolina twice. But that's what they do. They've got their

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own issues that they want to talk about, and a

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good advocate will stop with whatever point he is making

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and listen to what they're interesting because they're the ones

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that decide the decide the issue, right. The other thing

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that gets the other thing about this In addition to

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it being well potentially illegal in the minds of a

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lot of folks, for me, it's it's also one can

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scarcely think of a more socialist policy. I mean, forget

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free mark gets Uh. We're wanting to invest in one

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person the ability to set prices on these issues. I've

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across the board. Uh, I hate to say it, but

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in many ways that's that's socialist behavior. Team No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with it as socialism. Tariffs, Uh is

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a It's a tax. That's how I've always viewed tariffs.

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They're taxes. And as a chief executive person, yeah, yeah,

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well but that power. But but again, like that's and

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of a tax is not socialism per se. Right, If

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your beef is that it's one person doing it. That's

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not an argument uh for or again socialism, it's an

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argument of consolidation of power in a in a single authority.

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more of a monarchy or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and you will, uh, you will rest assured

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that I am not, even though you brought in sort

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of no kings analogy that that was in this case.

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precisely for the reasons that we don't have kings that

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can unilaterally, by themselves, impose such widespread policies. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but see, here's the thing. I didn't see anybody

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at the No Kings rallies making any arguments about.

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Speaker 2: Tariffs, agreed. I think you know, it was more across

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just the Yeah, it's just they don't like Trump.

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They don't like Trump. I mean, that's that's all it was.

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It was a branding effort by Indivisible and that's yeah.

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that kind of a revenue stream is antithetical to the article.

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Speaker 2: What we're the yeah, to what we're about to what

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to what the American economy is supposed to be about.

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that type of authority. And and from my standpoint, and

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and off about the results of the election. I think

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to say, you know, uh, mister President, we we hate

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you were going to get But Mike, you know it's

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had to hate.

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Speaker 1: You know as well as I do. You know as

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well as I do that people were not showing up

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to vote for vy Lyles because they hate Donald Trump, right,

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figure in a school board district.

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Speaker 2: Race, all right. I disagree to this extent, Pete, because

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if all you were looking at was all it in

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Mecklenburg County in terms of the type of results you

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had on Tuesday, that'd be one thing. But what you

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red to blue. You had turnout site nobody anticipated across

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the board. And I think what that was, in my opinion,

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was a releasing of frustration, if you will, of people,

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not just Democrats, of people saying, look, this has gone

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too fall. I think what to do?

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Speaker 1: No, I think you're wish casting some of that. I

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have no doubt that anti Donald Trump animus motivates Democrats,

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no doubt about that. And the shutdown up in northern

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Virginia animated a whole bunch of them up in Virginia

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when some seers not a great candidate either. And sure

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there's a component I would agree that that turnout because

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they hate Trump absolutely, But yeah, I think a couple

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all the blue states with the kinds of turnout numbers

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you were talking about, that's normal. I mean, that's that's

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this is always the case. Virginia's blue, Jerseys blue, Charlotte's blue.

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To suggest that tariffs are a tax on the American

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public would bring the assumption that every single dollar that

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is included in the tariff is then passed on to

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the American public. But I don't believe that's the truth,

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nor can that be positively proven. Okay, so no, it

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does not require an assumption that every single dollar included

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in the tariff is passed or the tax is passed

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on to the American consumer. But in the court arguments yesterday,

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the Solicitor General representing the Trump administration acknowledged that it's

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somewhere between thirty to eighty of the tariffs are passed

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on to the American consumer. So that's why, like the again,

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like I said this at the very beginning, I said

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two things. When Trump announced all of the tariffs, I said,

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number one, like, he better be right because otherwise, you know,

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the expectation from the people who are experts in this

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sort of thing. You know, they're saying that this is

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a tax and it's going to it's going to hurt

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the American taxpayers and consumers. So I but, like with

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all things Trump, I say, let's wait and see. We'll

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see what happens, but he better be right. And then

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the second thing I said was that, you know, maybe

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I am the fish that doesn't know it's wet because

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I am of an age where I grew up in

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this world where uh, the experts largely all agree that

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tariffs are taxing is on the consumers, and maybe that

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was wrong, and so we'll see. So anyway, that's what

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they I mean, that's what the Trump administration acknowledged in

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the court yesterday. So let me go to Richard. Hello, Richard,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Yes Hi, where I got through.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time to get here to talk

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to you. What I don't hear is I keep hearing

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it's a one way street with the tariffs. Whatever happened

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to the idea there reciprocal tariffs. We're being texted by

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all these countries as well. This is just reciprocal.

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Speaker 1: That's what we were told. But then the tariffs came

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out and they were the numbers were all over the place.

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We were when we uh, we've got tariffs on countries

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that we were running a surplus.

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Speaker 3: With the whole the whole idea of the program in

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long term, not short term and short term. It's going

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to cost us, but long term is to bring industry

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back to the country and get people more employed than

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they are now by millions. That's the long term. That's

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the long term.

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Speaker 2: Look at this.

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Speaker 3: We all know that short term, you know it's going

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to be a text on us for higher courts. I agree,

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but but that's not what you're look at the short

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term of is You've got to look at the long term.

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Speaker 1: Benefits, right well, I mean that's what they're That was

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the pitch, right, that was the pitch that, yes, you know,

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some of these costs are going to get passed on,

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but there's going to be some benefit down the road.

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That that was the pitch. But again, I've not seen that,

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and I don't know what that time frame is, and

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it doesn't it doesn't explain why certain companies or industries

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have gotten carve outs, you know. So like I again,

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like just because that's what they say, doesn't mean that

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that's the actual result, that's what they predicted.

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Speaker 3: What were I mean, Okay, I mean it's what you

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can hold on to and believe in. But things do

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take time. It took, you know, over four years to

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get this country screwed up.

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Speaker 2: It's only been.

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Speaker 3: Nine months he's been in office to try and get

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the straded.

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Speaker 1: Look. I just got through saying like we will see,

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we'll see what happens. And maybe, you know, the belief

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that tariffs are taxes and they hurt the American consumer more,

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maybe that's all wrong. But if that were the case,

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then you know, I don't know, like if everybody's been

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wrong all this time, I'll be the first to acknowledge

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that Trump was right, but the jury's still out on this,

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and in the meantime, the way they went about doing

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all of this is being challenged in court because they

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did it as an end run around Congress. So that's

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what they're deciding now. I appreciate the PASA Richard, Thank you.

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This is from Aaron Solomon at The Hill. The case

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that sounds like a fight over toy imports, but it's

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really about the future of presidential power. The law at

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the heart of this case written in nineteen seventy seven

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to let presidents act fast in actual crises, to freeze

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terrorist assets, to cut off hostile regimes, etc. It was

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not designed to micromanage trade policy. But Trump's team argued

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that America's trade imbalance with China was itself a national emergency,

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and the result, companies like the one that sued this

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toy manufacturer makes educational toys and classroom supplies. They got

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hammered with new tariffs that had nothing to do with

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any genuine emergency. The core issue is actually pretty simple,

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he says, can the word emergency be stretched so far

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that it covers anything that a president feels like tackling

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without Congress, because if the answer is yes, that's not

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just a trade story. That's a blueprint for a permanent

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emergency presidency.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Congress wanted to reign in executive excesses after the Vietnam

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War and after Watergate. That's when this law was passed.

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Why it was passed. The idea was to keep presidents

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from declaring emergencies that never actually end. And over time

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those guardrails have eroded. There are right now more than

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forty official national emergencies still on the books. Most of

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them are many years old. They quietly get renewed every

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twelve months, like streaming services that nobody remembers ordering. So

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if you allow this precedent to stand, any president could

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call an economic problem an national security threat and start

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call an economic problem a national security threat and then

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start rewriting the rules, imposing tariffs, freezing investments, even restricting

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technology or energy flows without a single vote in Congress.

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Once the precedent exists, it becomes the playbook. Now, yes,

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Congress could step in. The Constitution gives it the executive power,

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or sorry, gives it the exclusive power to regulate commerce

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with foreign nations and to levy tariffs. That's reserved for Congress.

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But for decades, lawmakers have handed that power away, preferring

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the convenience of broad statutes that let presidents take the

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heat while they issue press releases. This is something that

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I don't believe the founding fathers contemplated. They set up

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the system with the belief that these lawmakers in power

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would protect their own powers from encroachment from the other branches.

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And at the federal level and the state level and

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at the local level, same dynamic right that these elected

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lawmakers would try to protect their power. And so they

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basically pitted them against each other. And it's brilliant. What

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I think they did not contemplate was TikTok, because how

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could they really right? I don't think they contemplated the

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idea that people would would run for the office draw

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the paycheck, become you know, masters of stock trading. I

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think it's a it's part of the orientation classes. They

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get all of the the key tips on how to

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make good stock trades. That's how they all get so

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rich on their their trades. And so anyway that they

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would go to Congress, draw the benefits, draw the salaries,

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and just be more interested in putting out viral videos

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of you know, a one minute SmackDown against some bureaucrat

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they drag in front of their hearings. Right, So, I

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think he's exactly right about this, is that they've offloaded

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so many of the of their own responsibilities to the

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executive branch. They've done it willingly because they don't want

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to take the heat, they don't want to be responsible,

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and it's easier just to all the paycheck. How much

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authority can Congress delegate before it stops being a coequal branch,

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though the Court has been hinting at this moment for years.

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In West Virginia versus the EPA, the Justices told the

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federal agencies that they cannot make major policy moves without

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clear authorization from Congress. In low per Bright versus Raymondo,

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they killed the old Chevron rule, which I celebrated that

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because that rule told judges that they had to defer

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to the interpretations of the agencies, and so if the

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law wasn't clear, then the agency would say what the

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law is and the judge had to differ. It's called

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the Chevron deference based on a case that Chevron Oil

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Company had sued over, and that went away because that

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is unconstitutional, and it was from the very beginning when

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the Court initially made that stupid ruling. That's how you

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ended up with Obamacare having I don't even remember. It

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was like thousands of uses of the phrase the Secretary

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of Health shall do these rules like all over the

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Obamacare law. The Congress just like gave a free hand

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to the Department of uh of Health, the secretary of

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the Secretary of Health and Human Services, right, and that's inappropriate.

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Congress rights the law. You don't just offload all of

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that to the executive branch. And so Chevron deference was

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killed by this court, as it should have been. That

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was the right decision. This case takes that same logic

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and points it at the Oval Office itself. Now, if

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the Court means what it said about restoring constitutional bounces.

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This is the natural next step. And so by doing

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what he did with the tariffs, forcing the lawsuit and

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then losing the case at the Supreme Court, Donald Trump

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might actually be reconstructing the guardrails and telling Congress forcing Congress,

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this is your job. You're supposed to be doing this stuff. Now.

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Whether Congress will actually do anything, that's uh oh hell,

522
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that's a different tail. If they uphold this sweeping emergency

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tariff power, any future president could come along and slap

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tariffs on let's say, gas powered cars, right because there's

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a climate emergency, and so we're going to tariff all

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of the gas guzzling cars. And that's not speculation. That

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is the conclusion of the Trump administration. His own lawyer

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during the oral arguments, that's what he said, that ruling

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in favor of the administration would open the door to

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precisely that. We'll see what the Supreme Court does. All right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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