Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Leazy
Speaker 1: Boston's video.
Speaker 2: Well, there was a big phone call today. Well most
Speaker 2: of you were working from about I guess ten o'clock
Speaker 2: until eleven thirty. There was a phone call between President
Speaker 2: Trump and President Vladimir Putin. And there's some things that
Speaker 2: are coming out of the call. There's apparently there's I
Speaker 2: can I'll just give you the the White House readout,
Speaker 2: which obviously is intended to represent the call between the
Speaker 2: presidents from the most positive light, the White House wrote,
Speaker 2: Today President Trump and President Putin spoke about the need
Speaker 2: for peace and a ceasefire in the Ukraine War. Both
Speaker 2: leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with the lasting peace.
Speaker 2: They also stressed the need for improved by lateral relations
Speaker 2: between the US and Russia. The blood and treasure that
Speaker 2: both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in this war
Speaker 2: would be better spent on the needs of their people.
Speaker 2: This conflict should never have started and should have ended
Speaker 2: long ago with sincere and good faith peace efforts. The
Speaker 2: leaders agreed that the movement to peace will begin with
Speaker 2: an energy and infrastructure cease fire, as well as technical negotiations,
Speaker 2: an implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea,
Speaker 2: full cease fire and permanent peace. These negotiations will begin immediately.
Speaker 2: In the Middle East, the leaders spoke broadly about the
Speaker 2: Middle East as a region of potential cooperation to prevent
Speaker 2: future conflicts. They further discussed the need to stop proliferation
Speaker 2: of strategic weapons and will engage with others to ensure
Speaker 2: the broadest possible application. These two leaders shared the view
Speaker 2: that Iran should never be in a position to destroy Israel.
Speaker 2: The two leaders agreed that a future with an improved
Speaker 2: bilateral relationship between the United States in Russia has huge upside.
Speaker 2: This includes enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace
Speaker 2: has been achieved. The one other item that came out
Speaker 2: today a little bit late, which is which again to
Speaker 2: me is interesting it might be interesting to you, is
Speaker 2: that apparently in that ninety minutes in which they talked
Speaker 2: about Ukraine and Iran, and I'm sure they talked about Israel,
Speaker 2: although again I was not on the call, there's an
Speaker 2: article here that that suggests that there was a release
Speaker 2: from the Kremlin, you know, we which summarized topics from
Speaker 2: a call between the two presidents on Tuesday. I'm reading
Speaker 2: from Yahoo Sports here. The included a mention of potential
Speaker 2: hockey matchup between players from the NHL and the KHL,
Speaker 2: the Russian Hockey League. The KHL is not as good
Speaker 2: as the NHL. It is. KHL was sort of like
Speaker 2: it's professional hockey. But it would be interesting. It would
Speaker 2: be interesting, that's for sure. President per the release. Per
Speaker 2: the release from the Kremlin, President Trump supported President Putin's
Speaker 2: suggestion to hold hockey games between NHL and KHL players
Speaker 2: in both the US and Russia. The NHL responded to
Speaker 2: news of the phone call with identical statements shared with
Speaker 2: ESPN and the Athletic We are not a party to
Speaker 2: those discussions. It would be inappropriate for us to comment
Speaker 2: at this time. Russian hockey has not competed internationally since
Speaker 2: February twenty twenty two. Obviously, that is when Russia invaded
Speaker 2: Ukraine after the International Ice Hockey Federation placed sanctions on
Speaker 2: the team. When Russia invaded Ukraine. Last month, the IIHF,
Speaker 2: the International Ice Hockey Federation, extended the band through twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, meaning the team. The Russian team will not
Speaker 2: be allowed to participate in the twenty twenty six Olympics
Speaker 2: in Milan under the Russian flag. Twenty twenty six is
Speaker 2: said to be the first time in a decade that
Speaker 2: NHL players will participate in the Olympics. The NHL broke
Speaker 2: off their Kahl broke off from the KHL in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, around the same time as the initial sanctions
Speaker 2: from the IIHF. Prior to the invasion, the NHL was
Speaker 2: connected to the KHL, with the two even holding a
Speaker 2: few cross league friendlies in two thousand and eight and
Speaker 2: twenty ten. I do not remember those. Maybe they were
Speaker 2: exhibition games and that would that would be the extent
Speaker 2: of it. But the issue here is this, at least
Speaker 2: Presidents Trump and Putin talked today. Now, my question to
Speaker 2: all of you is who do you trust. Some of
Speaker 2: you are going to tell me you trust Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Some will probably tell me they trust Vladimir Putin, and
Speaker 2: some will probably tell me they trust neither. But I'd
Speaker 2: love to know who do you trust? Here. There's a
Speaker 2: lot at sake if somehow, some way, these two men
Speaker 2: of different backgrounds, maybe similar personalities, arguably can get together
Speaker 2: and actually bring an end to the conflict in Ukraine,
Speaker 2: of which Russia is responsible because Russia started this. Okay,
Speaker 2: If somehow, some way Vladimir Putin can be convinced that
Speaker 2: it's in his interest now to end this, that would
Speaker 2: be a great achievement. It would be a great achievement
Speaker 2: for Ukraine, it would be a great achievement for Russia,
Speaker 2: be great achievement for both presidents. Now there will be
Speaker 2: I'm sure, some tough sticking points, and we'll have to
Speaker 2: see where it goes again. As of now, according to
Speaker 2: the White House, there is already underway with an energy
Speaker 2: and infrastructure cease fire. Obviously, we know from the White
Speaker 2: House meeting of a couple of weeks ago that President
Speaker 2: Zelensky doesn't trust Putin as far as he could throw him.
Speaker 2: Whether or not Zelensky's willing to take a chance, that's
Speaker 2: a huge question. And whether or not Putin is perceiving
Speaker 2: that Trump is now in his corner as opposed to
Speaker 2: in Ukraine's corner because of that meeting, that big kerfuffle
Speaker 2: at the White House. You don't know, but I think
Speaker 2: it's it's I think it's wonderful, and it's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's good that they're talking. And I know that some
Speaker 2: of you are going to say, hey, in a deal
Speaker 2: between Putin and Trump, Putin will pick his pocket, uh,
Speaker 2: pick Trump's pockets. I want to hear from you on this,
Speaker 2: that's all. I think. It's a it's a topic that
Speaker 2: may never be resolved. Maybe this will will continue until
Speaker 2: the bitter end of the last soldier dies. I hope
Speaker 2: not six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
Speaker 2: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I'd love to
Speaker 2: hear from you on this one. We'll open up these
Speaker 2: phone lines. I'd love to talk for a couple of
Speaker 2: hours about it. If it's a big story, I think
Speaker 2: it's the biggest story of the day. It is monumentally
Speaker 2: more important than Karen Reid uh in some of the
Speaker 2: stories we deal with. It's more monumentally more important with
Speaker 2: any political race here in Massachusetts. But we talk about
Speaker 2: political races, and we talk about Karen Reid, we talk
Speaker 2: about international politics. Sometimes my audience doesn't want to participate.
Speaker 2: Please feel free to pick up that phone. I'd like
Speaker 2: to hear what you think. Six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: There are no experts here. We're all individuals on North
Speaker 2: America's back porch, talking about a big event today which
Speaker 2: hopefully will result in peace between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Back after this, Now back to Dan Ray live from
Speaker 1: the Window World night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're looking for your analysis, your thoughts. The
Speaker 2: fact that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are speaking. That's
Speaker 2: a step, that's a big step, and it's a step
Speaker 2: in the right direction. Let's start it off with Rashid
Speaker 2: from Dorchester. Rashid first, this hour on Nightside. I know
Speaker 2: that you are a Trump fan. I'd love to know
Speaker 2: what you think might have transpired today.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say much of a fan. I would say,
Speaker 3: you know, somebody that supports the president and his policies.
Speaker 2: But fair enough, Okay. I wasn't trying to be a
Speaker 2: wise guy when I said that. I'm just saying that I.
Speaker 4: Did he go way back. It's all good.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think that we should look at
Speaker 3: this a little bit deeper than just.
Speaker 2: Trump and Pludin.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, obviously, Dan, I'm a geopolitical guy,
Speaker 3: and or you're a geopolitical guy. We see what's going
Speaker 3: on in the Middle East, you know, Israel has reopened
Speaker 3: up its fronts on Gaza, They're probably going to reopen
Speaker 3: up its fronts on Hesbola. And you know, the United
Speaker 3: States is at war right now with the Hoofies, and
Speaker 3: it seems like a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities is eminent.
Speaker 3: I think that right now it's in the best interest
Speaker 3: of President Trump to close this war in Ukraine, because
Speaker 3: the thinking is this, if we're going to go to
Speaker 3: war with Iran, whether it's in a few months or
Speaker 3: a few weeks or a few days, you really don't
Speaker 3: want the Russians coming in behind Irans. They're gonna be
Speaker 3: Iran's biggest ally when it comes to providing them supplies,
Speaker 3: providing the military support, and you know, if you're going
Speaker 3: to hit Iran, I think that obviously the thinking for
Speaker 3: the United States is like, Okay, we want to go
Speaker 3: in there and do this, but we don't want a
Speaker 3: war with China and Russia. So I think that the
Speaker 3: whole point why they were probably on the phone for
Speaker 3: so long is that Trump knows it's like, we gotta
Speaker 3: close up this front in Ukraine. We cannot have this open.
Speaker 3: And I think the unfortunate part of this whole situation
Speaker 3: with Iran is that Houton has a lot of leverage
Speaker 3: right now because he knows it's like, okay, well, if
Speaker 3: you guys want to go to a ward for us,
Speaker 3: when you open up the front with Iran, we're going
Speaker 3: to go for Eastern Europe and we're gonna supply youran.
Speaker 3: So I think that's kind of what I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people are missing regarding this particular topic, and
Speaker 3: I just wish more people would talk about it.
Speaker 2: Well. I think your phone call is really interesting and
Speaker 2: I think it may very well be the key to
Speaker 2: the solution. I believe that Iran is a wild card
Speaker 2: because Putin you can deal with. He's probably not a
Speaker 2: good guy. Understand that, we see what he's done with Ukraine.
Speaker 2: He's not someone who you want to be friends with,
Speaker 2: but you don't need him as an enemy. And Iran
Speaker 2: as a theocracy, as a theocracy is a wild card
Speaker 2: because if the leaders of Iran are willing to see
Speaker 2: the world blow up because they're going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: taken to wherever they think is their afterlife, that's that's dangerous.
Speaker 2: That's very dangerous. It's one thing for Pope Francis to
Speaker 2: believe that in the Vatican. But the Vatican do they
Speaker 2: have the Swiss guard that they don't have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2: When you have nuclear weapons in control of people who
Speaker 2: are theocrats, and in the case of Iran, nutty theocrats,
Speaker 2: nutty theocrats, that's a right. And I think that your
Speaker 2: analysis is spot on, Rashid, and maybe that is the
Speaker 2: ultimate clo conflagration that both Trump and Putin want to avoid.
Speaker 4: And look, we probably have Trump then.
Speaker 3: You what I said, I think more so Trump than Putin,
Speaker 3: because again, if the United States goes to war with Iran,
Speaker 3: Putin benefits from it because Iran is going to be
Speaker 3: like like they supplied Iran with all of its anti
Speaker 3: air defenses that got blown to some of the rings
Speaker 3: by Israel a few months ago. So I think that like,
Speaker 3: we don't bet we don't benefit from from from you know,
Speaker 3: the war if Iran. I mean, obviously we protect Israel,
Speaker 3: which I think obviously is top priority. But sure Putin
Speaker 3: has a lot of leverage if we go to war
Speaker 3: if Iran, because he could jump in on their side,
Speaker 3: and then we have a bigger problem. And I think
Speaker 3: Trump that.
Speaker 2: Will be known of the history books, if the history
Speaker 2: books are still around as World War three. No one
Speaker 2: wants that, no national person once exactly. Let's see received
Speaker 2: really a challenging phone call and a good one. Let's
Speaker 2: see what people have to say. I appreciate your calls
Speaker 2: about calling as well. Absolutely if you want to react
Speaker 2: to what Rashid has to say, by the way, uh,
Speaker 2: to either Wednesday night or Thursday night. I haven't booked this,
Speaker 2: but we will be talking again with the Israeli console
Speaker 2: general here in Boston. Uh. Console general, uh uh, the
Speaker 2: Israeli console General. I'm gonna he's he's reached out to
Speaker 2: us today and I will get back to him sometime
Speaker 2: tomorrow and make sure that we get his point of
Speaker 2: view in front of all of you. Uh as I say,
Speaker 2: probably I can't. I can't promise you tomorrow night, but
Speaker 2: I would say, before the week is out, let me
Speaker 2: put it. Let's put it like that, simple as that.
Speaker 2: Back on, let me go now to Mark in Mark right.
Speaker 5: Ahead, Hi Dan, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2: Welcome.
Speaker 5: Look, I thoroughly agree with PRESIDENTIALISKI that I don't trust
Speaker 5: Vladimir Putin any more than I can throw him. And
Speaker 5: if he wore at all trustworthy, he would not have
Speaker 5: invaded Ukraine in the first place. But Zelenski's doing the
Speaker 5: absolute best he can. He's like a twenty first century
Speaker 5: version of Winston Churchill, democratic leader who very capably leads
Speaker 5: his nation in wartime and anyway, So where do we
Speaker 5: go from here? I'm glad to see on one of
Speaker 5: the cable channels that USAID is back in business.
Speaker 2: Okay, we mark, Mark, We don't need I'd like you
Speaker 2: to focus. If you could, there was a we could
Speaker 2: talk about USAID another night. Okay. The issue before us
Speaker 2: is Trump and Putin spent ninety minutes today on the
Speaker 2: telephone together. I don't know what the Ultimerzel is. I
Speaker 2: read the readout from the from the White House, which
Speaker 2: I hope you heard. I read some of the reports
Speaker 2: that have come out. I was not on the phone call.
Speaker 2: You weren't on the phone call. Are you optimistic that somehow,
Speaker 2: between Trump and Putin they can settle this war and
Speaker 2: and they can get Zolensky to settle the war in Ukraine?
Speaker 2: That's my focus to my So you're not optimistic, Okay, good,
Speaker 2: that's fine.
Speaker 5: I'm not. I mean, I think Zelensky has given as
Speaker 5: much as he can give.
Speaker 2: So how does it end. So then then, in your opinion,
Speaker 2: if if Zelensky and Putin can't stop this war, okay,
Speaker 2: or both of them aren't willing to stop this war,
Speaker 2: how do you think it ends.
Speaker 5: Mark with a grinded out Ukrainian victory.
Speaker 2: Good luck with that, Good luck, good luck with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to I would love to
Speaker 2: believe that, Mark, but I don't. I don't see that
Speaker 2: are going to pump in everything they can to help Ukraine.
Speaker 5: What needs to happen is we need some humanitarian eight
Speaker 5: for Ukraine, including mental health, which Zulenski's wife wants as
Speaker 5: badly as anything.
Speaker 2: Well, we should send a bunch of mental health experts,
Speaker 2: maybe ten thousand mental health American health take that many.
Speaker 2: How many would think.
Speaker 4: It would take that many?
Speaker 2: How many? How many would you suggest?
Speaker 5: Maybe one clinical psychologist on loan from mass Mental Okay?
Speaker 2: Well, if that would if that would solve the problem,
Speaker 2: that's a.
Speaker 5: Brilliant it would help. It would help.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe we get.
Speaker 5: In public policy.
Speaker 2: No, but there are either agreements or there are further hostilities.
Speaker 2: And I'm hoping for an agreement. And I want to
Speaker 2: always remain optimistic that the.
Speaker 5: Cry I can cry. But it's much easier to be
Speaker 5: optimistic about US domestic policy. Quite can to.
Speaker 2: Well, we're not talking to US domestic policy tonight, but
Speaker 2: I'll thank you for your input and we'll get some
Speaker 2: of those sociologists and psychologists over there as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping someone is listening to that suggestion tonight. It's
Speaker 2: absolutely brilliant, Mark. I appreciate the suggestion and the idea.
Speaker 2: Have a great night. Good night. We'll take a break
Speaker 2: here for the ten thirty news. Only if that wall
Speaker 2: could be solved so simply, it would be wonderful, But
Speaker 2: the world sometimes is not wonderful. We'll be back on
Speaker 2: Night's that. I'd love to know what you think. Do
Speaker 2: you think that Trump and Putin can pull this off.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that both of them can see the advantage
Speaker 2: to pulling this off and in effect giving Piece a
Speaker 2: chance and further isolating Iran. Maybe Mark's right and it's hopeless,
Speaker 2: but I'll never think it's hopeless. We're back on Night's
Speaker 2: Side after this.
Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're talking about the possibility of peace in Ukraine.
Speaker 2: I think it's important. I hope you do as well.
Speaker 2: You can agree or disagree. I'm just asking you have
Speaker 2: two individuals who need to convince Zelensky that somehow this
Speaker 2: has to end. I think it's at I think it's
Speaker 2: a tall task, but I don't think we give up.
Speaker 2: I Leen, you are next on nightside. I know that
Speaker 2: you are an advocate for peace in Ukraine. I lean
Speaker 2: welcome back.
Speaker 6: Yes, I am give piece a chance. I think this
Speaker 6: is wonderful news. Ninety minutes on the phone. Yes, let's talk,
Speaker 6: not fight. And I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think minutes is a good amount of time. I
Speaker 2: mean that's you know, if it was a fifteen minute conversation,
Speaker 2: I'd be a little less optimistic.
Speaker 6: Well exactly. And this is one more great thing that
Speaker 6: Trumps is doing for our country, and I appreciate his
Speaker 6: doing this very much. We certainly do not want World
Speaker 6: War iie, that's a very scary thought. And that's basically
Speaker 6: all I have to say. I see these pictures coming
Speaker 6: out of Ukraine, and the destruction of buildings and places
Speaker 6: where people lived is just so horrible. I mean, how
Speaker 6: can it just how can it just keep going on?
Speaker 2: And I think that that it's going on for a
Speaker 2: little over three years now when it's time for it
Speaker 2: to stop, and absolutely, and the only way it's going
Speaker 2: to stop is that, you know, Putin has to begin
Speaker 2: vincetance in his interest to stop as well. That's the other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the other aspect that we have to think about.
Speaker 2: That's for sure. Well, Eileen, I agree with you. Give
Speaker 2: piece a chance. That's pretty good. Let's let's hope keep
Speaker 2: our fingers crossed. Okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, thanks Dan, thanks for discussing this.
Speaker 4: Okay, ye, my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me go next to ken Is in Waltham, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Ken you are next on Night's side. Do you agree
Speaker 2: with Eileen? Do you agree with?
Speaker 6: Who?
Speaker 2: Do you agree with? Who do you disagree with?
Speaker 4: Go ahead, kid, I think come closest to Marik. Actually,
Speaker 4: I think today was a bad day. I think the
Speaker 4: problem is that we have on one side Putin who's
Speaker 4: focused on the total capitulation and surrender of Ukraine, and
Speaker 4: Trump on the other side, who's just trying to win
Speaker 4: a Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 2: And so where do you think this leads? Is what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get at.
Speaker 4: Well, I think, yeah, why this is bad? By the
Speaker 4: way is and the way you're framing it, you know,
Speaker 4: with Putin and Trump trying to convince Lensky, is it's
Speaker 4: just another nail in the confin for Ukraine. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's got to be demoralizing for Ukraine to see Trump
Speaker 4: and Putin working together. And I thought, you know, when
Speaker 4: Biden was president, you know, I thought the that the
Speaker 4: only way this is going to end is you know,
Speaker 4: a Ukraine surrender or you know, Ukraine can just hold
Speaker 4: out long enough, so similar to the Russians in Afghanistan,
Speaker 4: you know, they just eventually back off, you know, either
Speaker 4: with some percentage of you know, capturing Ukraine or just
Speaker 4: stacking off altogether. And it may You know, this is
Speaker 4: I have a very pessimistic and terrible view of what's
Speaker 4: going on. And I hope I am wrong and you
Speaker 4: are right.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic.
Speaker 4: That's all right, No, And I hope you're right about
Speaker 4: your optimism. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's okay. If let me ask you, what would you
Speaker 2: do if you could wave a magic wand other than
Speaker 2: you know, saying to that Putin will tomorrow aside to
Speaker 2: withdraw back to the pre war borders and uh uh,
Speaker 2: he will give crimea back. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: let's we got to have a little note of realism
Speaker 2: in here. What what can or cannot be done? In
Speaker 2: your opinion? How would you approach it?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 2: How would you solve the problem? I guess is what
Speaker 2: I'm asking you.
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't make this as painful as the Russians
Speaker 4: as possible by supporting Ukraine as much as possible with
Speaker 4: the Europeans.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you. Would you put US
Speaker 2: troops in Ukraine?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, okay, would you put NATO troops in Ukraine?
Speaker 4: I would not. I would not.
Speaker 2: I mean, so, okay, then explain, explain to me how
Speaker 2: you would make it painful for the Russians. I'm just
Speaker 2: looking at what your strategy would be.
Speaker 4: Sure, no, just more weapons. And we have an incredibly
Speaker 4: passionate Ukrainian country fighting back. It's I mean, it's been
Speaker 4: incredibly painful for the Russians already for three years. Wouldn't
Speaker 4: you agree?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Which is one of the reasons why maybe this
Speaker 2: is the moment in time when Putin might say, okay,
Speaker 2: I can take you know, there has to be something
Speaker 2: in it for Putin, there has to be something in
Speaker 2: it for Zelensky. If you want to go maximum leverage
Speaker 2: and go with US troops or NATO troops, we're talking
Speaker 2: about the potential of World War three. I don't think
Speaker 2: any of us think That's what I asked you that
Speaker 2: question because I was just curious how far you were
Speaker 2: going to go. I want to send them some more weapons. Sure,
Speaker 2: you'd send them more weapons. At that point, you were
Speaker 2: putting your money on Ukraine defeating Russia. Do you think
Speaker 2: that's realistic?
Speaker 4: I think what's the only possibility is, you know, Ukraine
Speaker 4: holding out long enough and then it's like big enough
Speaker 4: pain so that Russia will back off. I mean, you
Speaker 4: know Russia left Afghanistan. They did not you know, Afghanistan
Speaker 4: didn't win, right, I mean, Russia just eventually left.
Speaker 2: We left Afghanistan as well, we did, all right, And
Speaker 2: I think that Afghanistan they should have read Rudyard Rudyard
Speaker 2: Kipling and maybe understood more about Afghanistan. Well, okay, look
Speaker 2: a different point of view. It's you're not an optimistic
Speaker 2: point of view, but that's okay. I'm looking for, you know,
Speaker 2: Joe Biden had what nearly three years, and he he
Speaker 2: did the best he could, I assume. But how would
Speaker 2: you what sort of a grade would if you give
Speaker 2: given Biden on I.
Speaker 4: Think he I thought he did everything he could. I
Speaker 4: thought he did it right. I thought that was the
Speaker 4: right approach.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I know that there were there were many points
Speaker 2: along the way where Zelenski wanted more weaponry earlier. I know.
Speaker 2: So so what what Biden did was Okay, I gave
Speaker 2: him a little bit. I held back, game a little
Speaker 2: bit more held back. It was incremental.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think there was something to be
Speaker 4: There was something to be said. I mean, if he
Speaker 4: gave him too much too soon and Russia just over
Speaker 4: righteled the country like we thought was going to happen. Now,
Speaker 4: Russia just captured tons of our weaponry. So I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, whether he should have done more kind of
Speaker 4: once it was obvious that Ukraine was holding their own,
Speaker 4: maybe we should have done more. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I appreciate your your suggestions.
Speaker 4: Don't mean the situation, if I can, just the sort
Speaker 4: of the evidence and having us just recently with you know,
Speaker 4: when Trump held off on the intelligence and cut off
Speaker 4: the weaponry. Briefly, right, Putin attacked and then supposedly all
Speaker 4: these Ukrainian soldiers were surrounded, and Trump said, you know,
Speaker 4: please don't kill the soldiers, and Putin said, if they unconditioned,
Speaker 4: lease run or I won't kill them. I mean, I
Speaker 4: think that's that really demonstrated to me the two sides.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, those those Ukrainian soldiers are not in Ukraine.
Speaker 2: You know they're in Russia. You don't understand that, right, yeah?
Speaker 4: But independent of that, no, no, well you can't.
Speaker 2: You got to look at the facts. And all I'm
Speaker 2: just saying is, whenever you're in negotiation with someone, you
Speaker 2: have to put yourself for the other person's position at
Speaker 2: some point and say, okay, what what would what would
Speaker 2: prompt me to do the right thing? What would prompt
Speaker 2: me to do the wrong thing? And if you're you're
Speaker 2: Putin here, and all of a sudden he is being
Speaker 2: challenged by Zelensky in Russia, that raises the stakes for Putin.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's kind of there's no easy answer. There's
Speaker 2: no there's no easy answer. But I appreciate you gave me.
Speaker 2: You gave me a rational argument, which I enjoyed talking
Speaker 2: with you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Well, thanks Dan, and I hope I call you in
Speaker 4: a couple of months and and just acknowledge how wrong
Speaker 4: where I was.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, there's there's no reason to do that.
Speaker 2: If you want to do that, that's fine. I'm not
Speaker 2: I had no confidence that we're going to get that
Speaker 2: Piece is going to break out overnight. But I am
Speaker 2: honestly happy that Trump and Putin are at least talking
Speaker 2: to one another at this point.
Speaker 4: The reason I'm saying that is, you know, I want
Speaker 4: Piece to break out. That's that was nice.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that. No, I understand that you're we
Speaker 2: just disagreeing on on what's the easiest or the quickest path.
Speaker 4: That's all right, very much, thank you, thanks for doing
Speaker 4: me all this time. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World
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Speaker 2: Back we go, We're going to go to Joe and
Speaker 2: act in Massachusetts. Hey, Joe, how are you? I was
Speaker 2: in ACT in a few weeks ago with the Children's
Speaker 2: Museum up there.
Speaker 8: Well pretty good. Yeah. We last talked about the election,
Speaker 8: and you thought I was going to vote for Biden,
Speaker 8: but I was going to vote for Kennedy, so I
Speaker 8: ended up voting for Trump. Anyway, we're talking about Ukraine, okay,
Speaker 8: and I think there's a lot of history there. I
Speaker 8: think you know before I told you I was an
Speaker 8: ex patriot in the seventies, so I know Western Europe
Speaker 8: pretty well, and back then nobody what.
Speaker 2: You say, just so people, Joe, just so people know,
Speaker 2: you're not saying you played for the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2: You're saying you're I lived and lived and worked in Europe. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: which I came.
Speaker 8: Back from Europe just before the big snowstorm there in
Speaker 8: seventy eight.
Speaker 2: I guess which country, Joe, did you work in?
Speaker 8: I worked in France and Germany.
Speaker 2: And without being real specific, what type of what were
Speaker 2: you doing over there?
Speaker 8: I was teaching and I even spent some time trying
Speaker 8: to study law at German University that didn't work out.
Speaker 2: Too, Well, well, so did you when you say you're
Speaker 2: an expat. Most people, when they say they're an expat,
Speaker 2: they will say they're an expac because they have left
Speaker 2: with no intention to return.
Speaker 8: Doesn't sound like to me, Well, well no, when I
Speaker 8: didn't have an intention to return until I came back
Speaker 8: for a long visit and I decided I missed home.
Speaker 2: So good for you. Good for you, So let's talk
Speaker 2: about let's do it anyway.
Speaker 8: So gatitudes in Europe then, where younger people didn't like
Speaker 8: the US, and they didn't like the CIA, of course,
Speaker 8: and they didn't like a lot of things that Trump
Speaker 8: doesn't like. And I think Putin knows that Trump, you know,
Speaker 8: wants to de emphasize the big state, the CIA and
Speaker 8: the intervention in other parts of the world, and that's
Speaker 8: the thing that a lot of people in Europe didn't like. Now,
Speaker 8: I don't know, those people got older and some of
Speaker 8: them are now European politicians, and now you know, they
Speaker 8: like the US because they're paying for their defense. But meantime,
Speaker 8: you know, Gorbachev changed everything Glasnost and you know, everything else,
Speaker 8: and you know what we hoped for, at least as
Speaker 8: an ex European West.
Speaker 2: Astroika. I should say, go.
Speaker 8: Ahead, Arostroika. Would you know, they're European and Russian somewhat,
Speaker 8: they're not Chinese, you know, they're European, that they would
Speaker 8: mix economically, but it didn't happen, and it didn't happen.
Speaker 8: I think because of our CIA and our deep state
Speaker 8: that Trump doesn't like and Trump has a chance to
Speaker 8: really change this country, and that's why I voted for him,
Speaker 8: and that's why I voted would have voted for Kennedy.
Speaker 2: So it sounds to me like you might be a
Speaker 2: little more optimistic than some of my callers. Putin and
Speaker 2: Trump were talking today for ninety.
Speaker 7: Minutes, not necessarily because there's a lot of people in
Speaker 7: this country that hate Trump, and a lot of the
Speaker 7: people in the deep State, you.
Speaker 8: Know, they want them to come down, they want them
Speaker 8: to fall. Now Ukraine's a different issue. You know, historically Ukraine,
Speaker 8: in the eastern part of Ukraine, it was agricultural. It
Speaker 8: wasn't very well populated. So once the Revolution in seventeen
Speaker 8: nineteen seventeen came in, well they repopulated that area with
Speaker 8: Russian immigrants. Well, the Ukrainians, you know, the western Ukrainians
Speaker 8: have always disliked the Russians, you know, going back to
Speaker 8: thirteen hundred, I mean Putin and the interview which I
Speaker 8: watched with the Tucker Carlson, But I also watched CNN,
Speaker 8: and I watched Fox, and I watched MSNBC, and I
Speaker 8: listened to WBZ and everything. Anyway, So Ukraine is kind
Speaker 8: of a border dispute, especially because of some of the atrocity.
Speaker 8: There were fourteen thousand people killed in Eastern Ukraine, Russian heritage,
Speaker 8: Russian cultural people, and there were some other things that
Speaker 8: happened within the country with some of the military influence.
Speaker 8: You know, there's some bad Ukrainians too. Now, they didn't
Speaker 8: invade Russia, so you know, Putin shouldn't have invaded Ukraine.
Speaker 8: I agree with.
Speaker 2: You're given us a great history lesson. But we're into
Speaker 2: a fifth minute here and I got hit.
Speaker 8: So what we have to do. I think Trump can
Speaker 8: pull something off if he can somehow keep the defense
Speaker 8: industry and the deep state and the CIA types and
Speaker 8: all those people that are opposed to him, if he
Speaker 8: can somehow keep them at bay, I think he can
Speaker 8: pull it off because I think the majority of people
Speaker 8: in the US are really tired of us being involved
Speaker 8: all over the world, and I agree with that.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, Joe. I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2: Please you gotta call more often. Okay, thank you, Mike,
Speaker 2: well appreciate it. Let me go next to Tina in Mushaka. Tina,
Speaker 2: you gotta be quick for me. I'm gonna get you
Speaker 2: in out of the wire here, go right ahead.
Speaker 9: Yeah, hi Dan. I'm hoping that that mister Poulin and
Speaker 9: Donald Trump can forge a new Russian American alliance. I
Speaker 9: don't know, no, no, I don't want to say that
Speaker 9: Trump Putin does not want peace. I don't believe it.
Speaker 9: And as far as Zolensky, I think Zelenski just wants
Speaker 9: to keep fighting. I don't know if he wants peace.
Speaker 9: But I think that this relationship between Trump and Putin
Speaker 9: it can be very positive and they really if they
Speaker 9: can forge this, there can be uh there can we
Speaker 9: can avoid World War three. And I think these two
Speaker 9: men have to really work on that, even if Trump
Speaker 9: has to make some concessions to Putin that Ukraine doesn't
Speaker 9: like and like. For example, I don't think Ukraine should
Speaker 9: be part of NATO, and and if and if Russia
Speaker 9: can keep crimea things like that. Trump is really gonna
Speaker 9: have to forge that. And these two men, if they
Speaker 9: can work together, because I don't think Donald Trump really
Speaker 9: wants to cross I don't think Putin really wants to
Speaker 9: cross Trump. And I think Donald Trump wants wants he
Speaker 9: wants Putin, he wants him to save face. So I
Speaker 9: think if they can forge this alliance, I think that
Speaker 9: they can do it. I think that Ukraine is going
Speaker 9: to be the loser in the end, but so be
Speaker 9: it if it keeps the world stable and free from
Speaker 9: nuclear war. So I think these two men can go
Speaker 9: ahead and forge a new alliance that can bring peace.
Speaker 9: That's what That's what That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: Dan. Okay, Well, thank you Tina. I would I would
Speaker 2: join you in that hope. I really truly mean that.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. As always great to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: Have a good one, all right to those of you
Speaker 2: in the line. Well, we'll take this into the next hour.
Speaker 2: Uh and uh. If not we will, we'll move to
Speaker 2: a different topic. We had a good hour. I think
Speaker 2: we get another hour out of this. Trump putin ninety
Speaker 2: minutes of the phone today. I think that Augus, well,
Speaker 2: not everyone agrees with me. I want to know what
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