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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Leazy

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's video.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there was a big phone call today. Well most

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<v Speaker 2>of you were working from about I guess ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>until eleven thirty. There was a phone call between President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and President Vladimir Putin. And there's some things that

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<v Speaker 2>are coming out of the call. There's apparently there's I

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<v Speaker 2>can I'll just give you the the White House readout,

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<v Speaker 2>which obviously is intended to represent the call between the

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<v Speaker 2>presidents from the most positive light, the White House wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>Today President Trump and President Putin spoke about the need

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<v Speaker 2>for peace and a ceasefire in the Ukraine War. Both

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<v Speaker 2>leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with the lasting peace.

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<v Speaker 2>They also stressed the need for improved by lateral relations

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<v Speaker 2>between the US and Russia. The blood and treasure that

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<v Speaker 2>both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in this war

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<v Speaker 2>would be better spent on the needs of their people.

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<v Speaker 2>This conflict should never have started and should have ended

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<v Speaker 2>long ago with sincere and good faith peace efforts. The

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<v Speaker 2>leaders agreed that the movement to peace will begin with

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<v Speaker 2>an energy and infrastructure cease fire, as well as technical negotiations,

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<v Speaker 2>an implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea,

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<v Speaker 2>full cease fire and permanent peace. These negotiations will begin immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Middle East, the leaders spoke broadly about the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East as a region of potential cooperation to prevent

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<v Speaker 2>future conflicts. They further discussed the need to stop proliferation

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<v Speaker 2>of strategic weapons and will engage with others to ensure

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<v Speaker 2>the broadest possible application. These two leaders shared the view

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<v Speaker 2>that Iran should never be in a position to destroy Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>The two leaders agreed that a future with an improved

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<v Speaker 2>bilateral relationship between the United States in Russia has huge upside.

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<v Speaker 2>This includes enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace

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<v Speaker 2>has been achieved. The one other item that came out

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<v Speaker 2>today a little bit late, which is which again to

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<v Speaker 2>me is interesting it might be interesting to you, is

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<v Speaker 2>that apparently in that ninety minutes in which they talked

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<v Speaker 2>about Ukraine and Iran, and I'm sure they talked about Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>although again I was not on the call, there's an

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<v Speaker 2>article here that that suggests that there was a release

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<v Speaker 2>from the Kremlin, you know, we which summarized topics from

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<v Speaker 2>a call between the two presidents on Tuesday. I'm reading

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<v Speaker 2>from Yahoo Sports here. The included a mention of potential

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<v Speaker 2>hockey matchup between players from the NHL and the KHL,

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian Hockey League. The KHL is not as good

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<v Speaker 2>as the NHL. It is. KHL was sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>it's professional hockey. But it would be interesting. It would

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<v Speaker 2>be interesting, that's for sure. President per the release. Per

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<v Speaker 2>the release from the Kremlin, President Trump supported President Putin's

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<v Speaker 2>suggestion to hold hockey games between NHL and KHL players

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<v Speaker 2>in both the US and Russia. The NHL responded to

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<v Speaker 2>news of the phone call with identical statements shared with

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<v Speaker 2>ESPN and the Athletic We are not a party to

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<v Speaker 2>those discussions. It would be inappropriate for us to comment

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<v Speaker 2>at this time. Russian hockey has not competed internationally since

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<v Speaker 2>February twenty twenty two. Obviously, that is when Russia invaded

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine after the International Ice Hockey Federation placed sanctions on

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<v Speaker 2>the team. When Russia invaded Ukraine. Last month, the IIHF,

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<v Speaker 2>the International Ice Hockey Federation, extended the band through twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six, meaning the team. The Russian team will not

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<v Speaker 2>be allowed to participate in the twenty twenty six Olympics

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<v Speaker 2>in Milan under the Russian flag. Twenty twenty six is

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<v Speaker 2>said to be the first time in a decade that

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<v Speaker 2>NHL players will participate in the Olympics. The NHL broke

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<v Speaker 2>off their Kahl broke off from the KHL in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, around the same time as the initial sanctions

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<v Speaker 2>from the IIHF. Prior to the invasion, the NHL was

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<v Speaker 2>connected to the KHL, with the two even holding a

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<v Speaker 2>few cross league friendlies in two thousand and eight and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten. I do not remember those. Maybe they were

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<v Speaker 2>exhibition games and that would that would be the extent

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But the issue here is this, at least

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<v Speaker 2>Presidents Trump and Putin talked today. Now, my question to

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<v Speaker 2>all of you is who do you trust. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>you are going to tell me you trust Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Some will probably tell me they trust Vladimir Putin, and

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<v Speaker 2>some will probably tell me they trust neither. But I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to know who do you trust? Here. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot at sake if somehow, some way, these two men

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<v Speaker 2>of different backgrounds, maybe similar personalities, arguably can get together

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<v Speaker 2>and actually bring an end to the conflict in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>of which Russia is responsible because Russia started this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>If somehow, some way Vladimir Putin can be convinced that

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<v Speaker 2>it's in his interest now to end this, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be a great achievement. It would be a great achievement

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<v Speaker 2>for Ukraine, it would be a great achievement for Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>be great achievement for both presidents. Now there will be

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, some tough sticking points, and we'll have to

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<v Speaker 2>see where it goes again. As of now, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the White House, there is already underway with an energy

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<v Speaker 2>and infrastructure cease fire. Obviously, we know from the White

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<v Speaker 2>House meeting of a couple of weeks ago that President

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<v Speaker 2>Zelensky doesn't trust Putin as far as he could throw him.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether or not Zelensky's willing to take a chance, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a huge question. And whether or not Putin is perceiving

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump is now in his corner as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine's corner because of that meeting, that big kerfuffle

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<v Speaker 2>at the White House. You don't know, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's I think it's wonderful, and it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's good that they're talking. And I know that some

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<v Speaker 2>of you are going to say, hey, in a deal

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<v Speaker 2>between Putin and Trump, Putin will pick his pocket, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>pick Trump's pockets. I want to hear from you on this,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all. I think. It's a it's a topic that

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<v Speaker 2>may never be resolved. Maybe this will will continue until

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<v Speaker 2>the bitter end of the last soldier dies. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>not six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>hear from you on this one. We'll open up these

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<v Speaker 2>phone lines. I'd love to talk for a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>hours about it. If it's a big story, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's the biggest story of the day. It is monumentally

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<v Speaker 2>more important than Karen Reid uh in some of the

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<v Speaker 2>stories we deal with. It's more monumentally more important with

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<v Speaker 2>any political race here in Massachusetts. But we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>political races, and we talk about Karen Reid, we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about international politics. Sometimes my audience doesn't want to participate.

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<v Speaker 2>Please feel free to pick up that phone. I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to hear what you think. Six one seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no experts here. We're all individuals on North

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<v Speaker 2>America's back porch, talking about a big event today which

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully will result in peace between Russia and Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>Back after this, Now back to Dan Ray live from

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<v Speaker 1>the Window World night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're looking for your analysis, your thoughts. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are speaking. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a step, that's a big step, and it's a step

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<v Speaker 2>in the right direction. Let's start it off with Rashid

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<v Speaker 2>from Dorchester. Rashid first, this hour on Nightside. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you are a Trump fan. I'd love to know

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<v Speaker 2>what you think might have transpired today.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't say much of a fan. I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, somebody that supports the president and his policies.

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<v Speaker 2>But fair enough, Okay. I wasn't trying to be a

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<v Speaker 2>wise guy when I said that. I'm just saying that I.

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<v Speaker 4>Did he go way back. It's all good.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I think that we should look at

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<v Speaker 3>this a little bit deeper than just.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and Pludin.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, obviously, Dan, I'm a geopolitical guy,

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<v Speaker 3>and or you're a geopolitical guy. We see what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on in the Middle East, you know, Israel has reopened

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<v Speaker 3>up its fronts on Gaza, They're probably going to reopen

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<v Speaker 3>up its fronts on Hesbola. And you know, the United

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<v Speaker 3>States is at war right now with the Hoofies, and

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities is eminent.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that right now it's in the best interest

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<v Speaker 3>of President Trump to close this war in Ukraine, because

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<v Speaker 3>the thinking is this, if we're going to go to

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<v Speaker 3>war with Iran, whether it's in a few months or

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<v Speaker 3>a few weeks or a few days, you really don't

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<v Speaker 3>want the Russians coming in behind Irans. They're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>Iran's biggest ally when it comes to providing them supplies,

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<v Speaker 3>providing the military support, and you know, if you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to hit Iran, I think that obviously the thinking for

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<v Speaker 3>the United States is like, Okay, we want to go

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<v Speaker 3>in there and do this, but we don't want a

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<v Speaker 3>war with China and Russia. So I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>whole point why they were probably on the phone for

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<v Speaker 3>so long is that Trump knows it's like, we gotta

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<v Speaker 3>close up this front in Ukraine. We cannot have this open.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the unfortunate part of this whole situation

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<v Speaker 3>with Iran is that Houton has a lot of leverage

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<v Speaker 3>right now because he knows it's like, okay, well, if

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<v Speaker 3>you guys want to go to a ward for us,

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<v Speaker 3>when you open up the front with Iran, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to go for Eastern Europe and we're gonna supply youran.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's kind of what I think a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people are missing regarding this particular topic, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just wish more people would talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I think your phone call is really interesting and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it may very well be the key to

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<v Speaker 2>the solution. I believe that Iran is a wild card

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<v Speaker 2>because Putin you can deal with. He's probably not a

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<v Speaker 2>good guy. Understand that, we see what he's done with Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not someone who you want to be friends with,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't need him as an enemy. And Iran

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<v Speaker 2>as a theocracy, as a theocracy is a wild card

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<v Speaker 2>because if the leaders of Iran are willing to see

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<v Speaker 2>the world blow up because they're going to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>taken to wherever they think is their afterlife, that's that's dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very dangerous. It's one thing for Pope Francis to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that in the Vatican. But the Vatican do they

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<v Speaker 2>have the Swiss guard that they don't have nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>When you have nuclear weapons in control of people who

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<v Speaker 2>are theocrats, and in the case of Iran, nutty theocrats,

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<v Speaker 2>nutty theocrats, that's a right. And I think that your

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<v Speaker 2>analysis is spot on, Rashid, and maybe that is the

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate clo conflagration that both Trump and Putin want to avoid.

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<v Speaker 4>And look, we probably have Trump then.

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<v Speaker 3>You what I said, I think more so Trump than Putin,

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<v Speaker 3>because again, if the United States goes to war with Iran,

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<v Speaker 3>Putin benefits from it because Iran is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>like like they supplied Iran with all of its anti

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<v Speaker 3>air defenses that got blown to some of the rings

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<v Speaker 3>by Israel a few months ago. So I think that like,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't bet we don't benefit from from from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the war if Iran. I mean, obviously we protect Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think obviously is top priority. But sure Putin

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<v Speaker 3>has a lot of leverage if we go to war

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<v Speaker 3>if Iran, because he could jump in on their side,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we have a bigger problem. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>Trump that.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be known of the history books, if the history

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<v Speaker 2>books are still around as World War three. No one

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<v Speaker 2>wants that, no national person once exactly. Let's see received

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<v Speaker 2>really a challenging phone call and a good one. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>see what people have to say. I appreciate your calls

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<v Speaker 2>about calling as well. Absolutely if you want to react

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<v Speaker 2>to either Wednesday night or Thursday night. I haven't booked this,

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<v Speaker 5>Ahead, Hi Dan, thanks for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, I thoroughly agree with PRESIDENTIALISKI that I don't trust

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<v Speaker 5>if he wore at all trustworthy, he would not have

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we mark, Mark, We don't need I'd like you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about USAID another night. Okay. The issue before us

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<v Speaker 2>You weren't on the phone call. Are you optimistic that somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>between Trump and Putin they can settle this war and

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<v Speaker 2>and they can get Zolensky to settle the war in Ukraine?

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<v Speaker 2>That's my focus to my So you're not optimistic, Okay, good,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not. I mean, I think Zelensky has given as

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<v Speaker 2>So how does it end. So then then, in your opinion,

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<v Speaker 5>Mark with a grinded out Ukrainian victory.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck with that, Good luck, good luck with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would love to I would love to

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<v Speaker 5>What needs to happen is we need some humanitarian eight

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<v Speaker 5>for Ukraine, including mental health, which Zulenski's wife wants as

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we should send a bunch of mental health experts,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe ten thousand mental health American health take that many.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe one clinical psychologist on loan from mass Mental Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>Brilliant it would help. It would help.

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<v Speaker 5>In public policy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but there are either agreements or there are further hostilities.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm hoping for an agreement. And I want to

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<v Speaker 5>Cry I can cry. But it's much easier to be

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely brilliant, Mark. I appreciate the suggestion and the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great night. Good night. We'll take a break

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<v Speaker 2>here for the ten thirty news. Only if that wall

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<v Speaker 2>could be solved so simply, it would be wonderful, But

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<v Speaker 2>Night's that. I'd love to know what you think. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that Trump and Putin can pull this off.

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll never think it's hopeless. We're back on Night's

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<v Speaker 2>Side after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're talking about the possibility of peace in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important. I hope you do as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You can agree or disagree. I'm just asking you have

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<v Speaker 2>two individuals who need to convince Zelensky that somehow this

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<v Speaker 2>has to end. I think it's at I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a tall task, but I don't think we give up.

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<v Speaker 2>I Leen, you are next on nightside. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you are an advocate for peace in Ukraine. I lean

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I am give piece a chance. I think this

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<v Speaker 6>is wonderful news. Ninety minutes on the phone. Yes, let's talk,

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<v Speaker 6>not fight. And I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think minutes is a good amount of time. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's you know, if it was a fifteen minute conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be a little less optimistic.

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<v Speaker 6>Well exactly. And this is one more great thing that

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<v Speaker 6>Trumps is doing for our country, and I appreciate his

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<v Speaker 6>doing this very much. We certainly do not want World

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<v Speaker 6>War iie, that's a very scary thought. And that's basically

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<v Speaker 6>all I have to say. I see these pictures coming

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<v Speaker 6>out of Ukraine, and the destruction of buildings and places

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<v Speaker 6>where people lived is just so horrible. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that it's going on for a

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<v Speaker 2>little over three years now when it's time for it

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<v Speaker 2>to stop, and absolutely, and the only way it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to stop is that, you know, Putin has to begin

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<v Speaker 2>vincetance in his interest to stop as well. That's the other. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the other aspect that we have to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's for sure. Well, Eileen, I agree with you. Give

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<v Speaker 2>our fingers crossed. Okay, thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, okay, thanks Dan, thanks for discussing this.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, ye, my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me go next to ken Is in Waltham, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken you are next on Night's side. Do you agree

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<v Speaker 6>Who?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you agree with? Who do you disagree with?

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, kid, I think come closest to Marik. Actually,

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<v Speaker 4>I think today was a bad day. I think the

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<v Speaker 4>Trump on the other side, who's just trying to win

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<v Speaker 4>a Nobel Peace Prize.

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<v Speaker 2>And so where do you think this leads? Is what

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think, yeah, why this is bad? By the

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<v Speaker 4>with Putin and Trump trying to convince Lensky, is it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's got to be demoralizing for Ukraine to see Trump

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<v Speaker 4>and Putin working together. And I thought, you know, when

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<v Speaker 4>only way this is going to end is you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a Ukraine surrender or you know, Ukraine can just hold

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they just eventually back off, you know, either

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<v Speaker 4>stacking off altogether. And it may You know, this is

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<v Speaker 4>I have a very pessimistic and terrible view of what's

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 4>That's all right, No, And I hope you're right about

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay. If let me ask you, what would you

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<v Speaker 2>you know, saying to that Putin will tomorrow aside to

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<v Speaker 2>let's we got to have a little note of realism

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<v Speaker 7>What?

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<v Speaker 2>How would you solve the problem? I guess is what

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<v Speaker 4>So I wouldn't make this as painful as the Russians

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let me ask you. Would you put US

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, would you put NATO troops in Ukraine?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, no, just more weapons. And we have an incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? Which is one of the reasons why maybe this

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<v Speaker 2>and go with US troops or NATO troops, we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>any of us think That's what I asked you that

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<v Speaker 2>going to go. I want to send them some more weapons. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd send them more weapons. At that point, you were

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<v Speaker 2>that's realistic?

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<v Speaker 2>Kipling and maybe understood more about Afghanistan. Well, okay, look

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<v Speaker 2>a different point of view. It's you're not an optimistic

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know that there were there were many points

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<v Speaker 2>bit more held back. It was incremental.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I think there was something to be

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<v Speaker 4>There was something to be said. I mean, if he

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<v Speaker 4>gave him too much too soon and Russia just over

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<v Speaker 4>righteled the country like we thought was going to happen. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>Russia just captured tons of our weaponry. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, whether he should have done more kind of

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<v Speaker 4>once it was obvious that Ukraine was holding their own,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe we should have done more. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I appreciate your your suggestions.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't mean the situation, if I can, just the sort

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<v Speaker 4>of the evidence and having us just recently with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when Trump held off on the intelligence and cut off

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<v Speaker 4>the weaponry. Briefly, right, Putin attacked and then supposedly all

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<v Speaker 4>these Ukrainian soldiers were surrounded, and Trump said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>please don't kill the soldiers, and Putin said, if they unconditioned,

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<v Speaker 4>lease run or I won't kill them. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's that really demonstrated to me the two sides.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, those those Ukrainian soldiers are not in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they're in Russia. You don't understand that, right, yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>But independent of that, no, no, well you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to look at the facts. And all I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just saying is, whenever you're in negotiation with someone, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to put yourself for the other person's position at

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<v Speaker 2>some point and say, okay, what what would what would

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<v Speaker 2>prompt me to do the right thing? What would prompt

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<v Speaker 2>me to do the wrong thing? And if you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>Putin here, and all of a sudden he is being

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<v Speaker 2>challenged by Zelensky in Russia, that raises the stakes for Putin.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's kind of there's no easy answer. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no there's no easy answer. But I appreciate you gave me.

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<v Speaker 2>You gave me a rational argument, which I enjoyed talking

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<v Speaker 2>with you. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thanks Dan, and I hope I call you in

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of months and and just acknowledge how wrong

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<v Speaker 4>where I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, look, there's there's no reason to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to do that, that's fine. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I had no confidence that we're going to get that

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<v Speaker 2>Piece is going to break out overnight. But I am

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<v Speaker 2>honestly happy that Trump and Putin are at least talking

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<v Speaker 2>to one another at this point.

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<v Speaker 4>The reason I'm saying that is, you know, I want

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<v Speaker 4>Piece to break out. That's that was nice.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I understand that. No, I understand that you're we

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<v Speaker 2>just disagreeing on on what's the easiest or the quickest path.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all right, very much, thank you, thanks for doing

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<v Speaker 4>me all this time. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome. Thanks for the call, very substantive phone call. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back on night side six one seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty. Uh. Actually those lines are all full.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to get in, here's a here's a tip.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Coming back

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on w b Z, the news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back we go, We're going to go to Joe and

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<v Speaker 2>act in Massachusetts. Hey, Joe, how are you? I was

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<v Speaker 2>in ACT in a few weeks ago with the Children's

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<v Speaker 2>Museum up there.

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<v Speaker 8>Well pretty good. Yeah. We last talked about the election,

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<v Speaker 8>and you thought I was going to vote for Biden,

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<v Speaker 8>but I was going to vote for Kennedy, so I

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<v Speaker 8>ended up voting for Trump. Anyway, we're talking about Ukraine, okay,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think there's a lot of history there. I

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<v Speaker 8>think you know before I told you I was an

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<v Speaker 8>ex patriot in the seventies, so I know Western Europe

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<v Speaker 8>pretty well, and back then nobody what.

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<v Speaker 2>You say, just so people, Joe, just so people know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not saying you played for the New England Patriots.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying you're I lived and lived and worked in Europe. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which I came.

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<v Speaker 8>Back from Europe just before the big snowstorm there in

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<v Speaker 8>seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess which country, Joe, did you work in?

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<v Speaker 8>I worked in France and Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>And without being real specific, what type of what were

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<v Speaker 2>you doing over there?

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<v Speaker 8>I was teaching and I even spent some time trying

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<v Speaker 8>to study law at German University that didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, Well, well, so did you when you say you're

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<v Speaker 2>an expat. Most people, when they say they're an expat,

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<v Speaker 2>they will say they're an expac because they have left

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<v Speaker 2>with no intention to return.

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<v Speaker 8>Doesn't sound like to me, Well, well no, when I

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<v Speaker 8>didn't have an intention to return until I came back

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<v Speaker 8>for a long visit and I decided I missed home.

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<v Speaker 2>So good for you. Good for you, So let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about let's do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 8>So gatitudes in Europe then, where younger people didn't like

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<v Speaker 8>the US, and they didn't like the CIA, of course,

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<v Speaker 8>and they didn't like a lot of things that Trump

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<v Speaker 8>doesn't like. And I think Putin knows that Trump, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>wants to de emphasize the big state, the CIA and

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<v Speaker 8>the intervention in other parts of the world, and that's

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<v Speaker 8>the thing that a lot of people in Europe didn't like. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know, those people got older and some of

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<v Speaker 8>them are now European politicians, and now you know, they

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<v Speaker 8>like the US because they're paying for their defense. But meantime,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, Gorbachev changed everything Glasnost and you know, everything else,

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<v Speaker 8>and you know what we hoped for, at least as

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<v Speaker 8>an ex European West.

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<v Speaker 2>Astroika. I should say, go.

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<v Speaker 8>Ahead, Arostroika. Would you know, they're European and Russian somewhat,

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<v Speaker 8>they're not Chinese, you know, they're European, that they would

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<v Speaker 8>mix economically, but it didn't happen, and it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 8>I think because of our CIA and our deep state

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<v Speaker 8>that Trump doesn't like and Trump has a chance to

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<v Speaker 8>really change this country, and that's why I voted for him,

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<v Speaker 8>and that's why I voted would have voted for Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>So it sounds to me like you might be a

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<v Speaker 2>little more optimistic than some of my callers. Putin and

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<v Speaker 2>Trump were talking today for ninety.

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<v Speaker 7>Minutes, not necessarily because there's a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 7>this country that hate Trump, and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 7>people in the deep State, you.

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<v Speaker 8>Know, they want them to come down, they want them

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<v Speaker 8>to fall. Now Ukraine's a different issue. You know, historically Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 8>in the eastern part of Ukraine, it was agricultural. It

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't very well populated. So once the Revolution in seventeen

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<v Speaker 8>nineteen seventeen came in, well they repopulated that area with

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<v Speaker 8>Russian immigrants. Well, the Ukrainians, you know, the western Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 8>have always disliked the Russians, you know, going back to

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<v Speaker 8>thirteen hundred, I mean Putin and the interview which I

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<v Speaker 8>watched with the Tucker Carlson, But I also watched CNN,

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<v Speaker 8>and I watched Fox, and I watched MSNBC, and I

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<v Speaker 8>listened to WBZ and everything. Anyway, So Ukraine is kind

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<v Speaker 8>of a border dispute, especially because of some of the atrocity.

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<v Speaker 8>There were fourteen thousand people killed in Eastern Ukraine, Russian heritage,

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<v Speaker 8>Russian cultural people, and there were some other things that

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<v Speaker 8>happened within the country with some of the military influence.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, there's some bad Ukrainians too. Now, they didn't

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<v Speaker 8>invade Russia, so you know, Putin shouldn't have invaded Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 8>I agree with.

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<v Speaker 2>You're given us a great history lesson. But we're into

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<v Speaker 2>a fifth minute here and I got hit.

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<v Speaker 8>So what we have to do. I think Trump can

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<v Speaker 8>pull something off if he can somehow keep the defense

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<v Speaker 8>industry and the deep state and the CIA types and

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<v Speaker 8>all those people that are opposed to him, if he

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<v Speaker 8>can somehow keep them at bay, I think he can

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<v Speaker 8>pull it off because I think the majority of people

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<v Speaker 8>in the US are really tired of us being involved

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<v Speaker 8>all over the world, and I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with that, Joe. I appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Please you gotta call more often. Okay, thank you, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>well appreciate it. Let me go next to Tina in Mushaka. Tina,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta be quick for me. I'm gonna get you

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<v Speaker 2>in out of the wire here, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, hi Dan. I'm hoping that that mister Poulin and

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<v Speaker 9>Donald Trump can forge a new Russian American alliance. I

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<v Speaker 9>don't know, no, no, I don't want to say that

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<v Speaker 9>Trump Putin does not want peace. I don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 9>And as far as Zolensky, I think Zelenski just wants

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<v Speaker 9>to keep fighting. I don't know if he wants peace.

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<v Speaker 9>But I think that this relationship between Trump and Putin

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<v Speaker 9>it can be very positive and they really if they

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<v Speaker 9>can forge this, there can be uh there can we

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<v Speaker 9>can avoid World War three. And I think these two

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<v Speaker 9>men have to really work on that, even if Trump

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<v Speaker 9>has to make some concessions to Putin that Ukraine doesn't

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<v Speaker 9>like and like. For example, I don't think Ukraine should

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<v Speaker 9>be part of NATO, and and if and if Russia

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<v Speaker 9>can keep crimea things like that. Trump is really gonna

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<v Speaker 9>have to forge that. And these two men, if they

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<v Speaker 9>can work together, because I don't think Donald Trump really

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<v Speaker 9>wants to cross I don't think Putin really wants to

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<v Speaker 9>cross Trump. And I think Donald Trump wants wants he

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<v Speaker 9>wants Putin, he wants him to save face. So I

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<v Speaker 9>think if they can forge this alliance, I think that

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<v Speaker 9>they can do it. I think that Ukraine is going

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<v Speaker 9>to be the loser in the end, but so be

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<v Speaker 9>it if it keeps the world stable and free from

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<v Speaker 9>nuclear war. So I think these two men can go

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<v Speaker 9>ahead and forge a new alliance that can bring peace.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what That's what That's what I'm looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan. Okay, Well, thank you Tina. I would I would

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<v Speaker 2>join you in that hope. I really truly mean that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. As always great to hear your voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a good one, all right to those of you

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<v Speaker 2>in the line. Well, we'll take this into the next hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and uh. If not we will, we'll move to

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<v Speaker 2>a different topic. We had a good hour. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we get another hour out of this. Trump putin ninety

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<v Speaker 2>minutes of the phone today. I think that Augus, well,

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<v Speaker 2>not everyone agrees with me. I want to know what

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<v Speaker 2>you think. The lines available six one, seven thirty, t

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<v Speaker 2>one seven nine, three one ten thirty Light them up.

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<v Speaker 2>See you on the other side of the eleven o'clock

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