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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Is a little bit slick on the
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Speaker 2: on in the program. As mentioned today, we're going to
Speaker 2: be talking about an essential topic for retirement planning, and
Speaker 2: that is roth iras WROTH four to oh one case
Speaker 2: and of course roth conversions CJ.
Speaker 1: What in those areas do we need to know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is This is a fascinating subject with a
Speaker 3: lot of nuances, So I encourage people to listen kind
Speaker 3: of carefully and closely, and obviously talk to your advisor
Speaker 3: or out to us if you have any questions after this.
Speaker 3: But many people are familiar with the traditional retirement savings vehicles.
Speaker 3: These are things like four to one k's, four H
Speaker 3: three b's, and iras. But understanding the WROTH options can
Speaker 3: really elevate your retirement strategy. The choices available to you
Speaker 3: do often depend on whether or not your employer offer
Speaker 3: certain of these elements, and of course your personal financial situation,
Speaker 3: so you know, make sure again that you talk to
Speaker 3: your advisor or your accountant as a follow up to
Speaker 3: anything we discussed today. But traditionally, contributions to retirement accounts
Speaker 3: have been made on a pre tax basis. That's often
Speaker 3: why they call them traditional IRA contributions. Traditional just means
Speaker 3: the longest standing and the longest standing rules were that
Speaker 3: you could make pre tax contributions to your retirement account,
Speaker 3: whether through your employer's sponsored retirement plan or a traditional IRA.
Speaker 3: This approach allows your money to grow tax deferred, but
Speaker 3: you'll pay taxes when you start withdrawing funds in retirement
Speaker 3: based upon your tax rate at that time in retirement.
Speaker 3: So you get the idea. The traditional contributions have been
Speaker 3: around for a long time. I earn one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: I put ten thousand dollars into a four to one
Speaker 3: K plan on a traditional pre tax basis, meaning I
Speaker 3: save the taxes on that ten thousand dollars. It then
Speaker 3: grows tax deferred, and when I get into retirement, then
Speaker 3: I pay ordinary income taxes on that when I pull
Speaker 3: it out. However, since the introduction of roth iras in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, individuals have had the opportunity to save
Speaker 3: for retirement using after tax dollars. And yes, you did
Speaker 3: hear me right, nineteen ninety seven, it's not that old, everybody.
Speaker 3: Roth IRA contributions are kind of a newer concept when
Speaker 3: we think of it in the in the grand scheme
Speaker 3: of things here. And while you don't get an upfront
Speaker 3: tax deduction on ROTH contributions, the key benefit is that
Speaker 3: qualified withdrawals in retirement are generally tax free. So often
Speaker 3: Eric and I when we're talking to people will say
Speaker 3: traditional contributions are pre tax, tax deferred and then taxable.
Speaker 3: WROTH contributions are basically the opposite. You get no tax
Speaker 3: deduction today on a WROTH contribution, it grows tax free,
Speaker 3: and as long as you abide by the rules, which
Speaker 3: we'll be talking about here in a little bit, when
Speaker 3: you get into retirement, you pay no tax on the withdrawals. Now,
Speaker 3: I will warn everybody as I start going into some
Speaker 3: of the key aspects of this, there are some errors
Speaker 3: that people make in their simple logic, which is tax
Speaker 3: free is better than taxable. So I'll do all wroth
Speaker 3: no matter what. Now, that's not really the way the
Speaker 3: math works out on this. If you don't believe me,
Speaker 3: call us and we'll walk you through the math. Then
Speaker 3: you'll have a couple of aha moments where you go, oh,
Speaker 3: that's true. That's true. So roth versus pre tax is
Speaker 3: a lot more nuanced than just one sounds better than
Speaker 3: the other. There's a lot that goes into that consideration.
Speaker 3: But here's some important aspects to consider about roth irays.
Speaker 3: So wroth iray contributions are made with after tax dollars.
Speaker 3: Again a meeting, there's meeting, there's no immediate tax deduction,
Speaker 3: and in essence, you pay taxes now to enjoy tax
Speaker 3: free withdrawals later. Contribution limits for roth irays are the
Speaker 3: same as traditional iras, so in twenty twenty five you
Speaker 3: can contribute up to seven thousand dollars to a roth
Speaker 3: ira if you're under fifty and eight thousand if you're
Speaker 3: over fifty. Thanks to what's called a catchup contribution, you
Speaker 3: do need to have earned income to contribute to a
Speaker 3: roth ira, and if your earnings are less than the
Speaker 3: contribution limit, then you can only put put in money
Speaker 3: up to the amount that you earn. Furthermore, you can
Speaker 3: do contributions for non working spouses, again provided that you
Speaker 3: have enough income to support those contributions. One of the
Speaker 3: most important things about roth contributions is income eligibility. In
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, single file can contribute fully with income
Speaker 3: under one hundred and fifty thousand, and then they're phased
Speaker 3: out between one fifty and one sixty five, and for
Speaker 3: married couples filing jointly, contributions are allowed under two hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty six thousand, with phaseouts from two thirty six
Speaker 3: to two forty six. Some of you are going, what
Speaker 3: the heck are you talking about. Well, you have to
Speaker 3: have earned income to be able to contribute to a wroth,
Speaker 3: but you can't have too much earned income. That's the
Speaker 3: idea here, right, So if I want to do a
Speaker 3: roth ira, and the key component here is ira wroth
Speaker 3: war one days are different. We're going to be talking
Speaker 3: about that in a moment when Eric gets to it.
Speaker 3: But if I want to make a contribution to a
Speaker 3: roth IRA, I have to have earn enough earned income
Speaker 3: to offset that contribution. But if I have too much
Speaker 3: earned income, then I am phased out of having the
Speaker 3: ability to make that contribution. So some interesting things, and
Speaker 3: I will just say, you can contribute to a roth ira.
Speaker 3: One one quick point. You can contribute to it up
Speaker 3: to the tax filing deadline. You can do what are
Speaker 3: called like prior year contributions right before April fifteenth of
Speaker 3: this year. If you talk to your account and you
Speaker 3: account says you should do a roth IRA contribution, you
Speaker 3: can actually attribute that contribution to the prior year up
Speaker 3: into the tax filing up until that tax filing deadline.
Speaker 3: So there you go. A few things to know about
Speaker 3: roth iras.
Speaker 1: Really good stuff this week with CJ.
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Speaker 2: three seven. So Eric, Now, let's just say you have
Speaker 2: access to a four WROTH four oh one K. Should
Speaker 2: you consider contributing to that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question, Sean. And as TJ said,
Speaker 4: we were we've been talking here about roth iras. So
Speaker 4: those are individual retirement accounts, but when we get into
Speaker 4: the employer sponsored plan space, things get a little bit more. Well,
Speaker 4: you get a few more options. So a ROTH Flora
Speaker 4: one K is an employer sponsored retirement account that allows
Speaker 4: you to contribute after tax dollars, just like a ROTH IRA,
Speaker 4: which gives you the opportunity for tax free growth, tax
Speaker 4: free withdrawals in retirement, and these these were introduced around
Speaker 4: two thousand and six, but honestly it was a pretty
Speaker 4: slow adoption for employers. But they've gotten pretty popular here
Speaker 4: over the last couple of years, and as of a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, now almost ninety three percent of
Speaker 4: employers offer a ROTH four one K option. Now, one
Speaker 4: thing to know about WROTH for one ks is it's
Speaker 4: not actually a separate account that you're opening. So often
Speaker 4: people say, well, I only have a pre tax four
Speaker 4: O one K or a ROTH four oh one K.
Speaker 4: It's all one account. It's just whether or not the
Speaker 4: employer allows you to put WROTH dollars into the account,
Speaker 4: and then the record keeper obviously is going to is
Speaker 4: going to keep those separate so that you can understand
Speaker 4: how dollars are going to be taxed when you're taking
Speaker 4: them out. But the fact that it's one account is
Speaker 4: going to come into play here when we talk about
Speaker 4: contributions in a moment. So whether you should contribute to
Speaker 4: a WROTH for one K, it depends on a lot
Speaker 4: of factors. I mean, it depends on your income. You
Speaker 4: know what your current tax bracket is what we think
Speaker 4: your future tax bracket will be. But here's just a
Speaker 4: few things to think about when you're considering whether or
Speaker 4: not you want to make WROTH contributions to your four
Speaker 4: oh one K or four oh three B or or
Speaker 4: four fifty seven whatever type of plan your employer offers.
Speaker 4: Unlike roth aires, there's no income limit for contributing to
Speaker 4: a WROTH four to one K, so this actually makes
Speaker 4: it accessible to higher earners. CJ was talking about some
Speaker 4: of those those upper upper end income limits that you
Speaker 4: know a which point you can't put money into a
Speaker 4: roth iray, we avoid that on the WROTH forur oh
Speaker 4: one K side, And speaking of contributions for for twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five, the total contribution limit to a four to
Speaker 4: oh one K, so that includes any dollars you put
Speaker 4: in before taxes or traditional and wroth, so the total
Speaker 4: is twenty three thousand, five hundred or thirty one thousand
Speaker 4: dollars if you're over fifty and you take advantage of
Speaker 4: that catchup and then we've talked about this before too,
Speaker 4: but if you're between sixty and sixty three, you can
Speaker 4: actually add an additional ketchup contribution of eleven, two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty dollars, which brings your total to thirty four thousand,
Speaker 4: seven hundred and fifty dollars. Now you don't have to
Speaker 4: do contributions. You know, you don't have to choose to
Speaker 4: do all pre tax or all WROTH. You can do
Speaker 4: you can do some of both. And you know that's
Speaker 4: something that your advisor can help you determine based on
Speaker 4: your your tax strategy and where you are in life.
Speaker 4: One final update, and this is a this is a
Speaker 4: pretty new one. As of last year, r m d's
Speaker 4: required minimum distributions are no longer required for four o
Speaker 4: one ks. So previously you had to actually roll over
Speaker 4: the WROTH dollars before hitting r m D age or
Speaker 4: they would make you take out. You know that whatever
Speaker 4: portion was attributable to your ROTH dollars from your four
Speaker 4: oh one K, now you didn't have to pay taxes
Speaker 4: on it, but you lost the ability to continue getting
Speaker 4: that tax free growth. So this this is a fix
Speaker 4: that that allows you to avoid those rm ds.
Speaker 2: The really important updates there for sure. As we talked
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Speaker 1: Wiv A.
Speaker 2: Talking this week with our retirement plan professionals from Class
Speaker 2: Financial talking about Roth iras WROTH four oh one k
Speaker 2: is and Roth conversions and we'll get into those conversions
Speaker 2: in just a moment.
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Speaker 2: two five six three seven. So we've talked about accessing
Speaker 2: WROTH and of course some things some of the interesting
Speaker 2: aspects of Roth. What about those Roth conversions, CJ, who
Speaker 2: might be a good candidate for the excuse me, I
Speaker 2: pardon me, Eric, who might be a good candidate for those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question, and I think CJ probably
Speaker 4: can answer this question. A lot of our days talk
Speaker 4: to tell you talking about Roth conversions. Now it's it's
Speaker 4: it's become a really really interesting topic, mostly because there's
Speaker 4: a lot of strategies we can employ around roth conversions.
Speaker 4: And so a roth conversion it basically involves moving funds
Speaker 4: from a traditional ira or pre tax ira into a
Speaker 4: roth ira, So you're paying the taxes on the converted amount,
Speaker 4: and now you get the tax free growth of a
Speaker 4: roth ira and then obviously tax free withdrawals later. Now
Speaker 4: you can do this at any age, and it actually
Speaker 4: avoids that ten percent early withdrawal penalty that people in
Speaker 4: cur if they take money out of an ira prior
Speaker 4: to fifty nine and a half. So in this case,
Speaker 4: you're just taking money from a traditional moving it over
Speaker 4: to a wroth, so you're avoiding that ten percent withdrawal penalty.
Speaker 4: But remember the amount that you convert is tax in
Speaker 4: the year of the conversion. Okay, so it's going to
Speaker 4: increase your taxes the year that you actually perform the transfer,
Speaker 4: but then again you're going to get the tax free
Speaker 4: growth and then tax free withdrawals in the future. But
Speaker 4: why would someone actually choose to do this, right, Generally
Speaker 4: people are avoiding taxes and trying to defer them. Well,
Speaker 4: pre tax retirement accounts they are fully taxable upon withdrawal.
Speaker 4: So that's whether that's by you or by your your
Speaker 4: beneficiaries if you don't, if you don't spend all your dollars,
Speaker 4: but moving the money earlier it does allow you to
Speaker 4: control the tax rate and you can be strategic about
Speaker 4: how much you're converting and when you're doing it. And
Speaker 4: one thing I mentioned there was you know, taxes are
Speaker 4: due on your your pre tax withdrawals, either by you
Speaker 4: or your heirs. So keep that in mind because your
Speaker 4: beneficiaries or your heirs in many cases they are they
Speaker 4: benefit the most from moalth conversions. So that's something you
Speaker 4: want to talk through with your with your advisor, depending
Speaker 4: on your goals. But then this can be a really
Speaker 4: good strategy for taking a little bit more control over
Speaker 4: your your tax liability. So let's look at an example here,
Speaker 4: a recent retiree who maybe hasn't started Social Security yet,
Speaker 4: or they there's no pension income for them. Maybe they
Speaker 4: have a large retirement account and they do have you know,
Speaker 4: maybe they saved up for a couple of years just
Speaker 4: in their savings account before retirement, and they have tax
Speaker 4: free dollars they can live off of for a couple
Speaker 4: of years.
Speaker 1: Well, they're going to be in a.
Speaker 4: Really low tax bracket, and they actually might find it
Speaker 4: advantageous to convert funds during those low income years, right,
Speaker 4: fill up those those tax those lower tax brackets and
Speaker 4: get more dollars moved over to WROTH before they actually
Speaker 4: start their required minimum distributions. Right, So we're accelerating distributions
Speaker 4: to lower future rmds. We're taking advantage of those lower
Speaker 4: tax rates. There's lower tax brackets that they're in right now,
Speaker 4: and it's generally most tax efficient when you do a
Speaker 4: conversion to actually pay from a separate account like a
Speaker 4: bank account for the tax rather than actually converting more
Speaker 4: and then withholding dollars from the conversion, because it allows
Speaker 4: you to get the most dollars into the WROTH and
Speaker 4: the most tax free growth.
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Speaker 2: to what about kids, grandkids, the family? What does that
Speaker 2: have to do when it comes to Roth conversions? Are
Speaker 2: there reasons to be thinking wroth if you've got kids
Speaker 2: or grandkids. With the tails from CJ and we'll do
Speaker 2: the Money in Motion Class Quiz question week next. As
Speaker 2: Money in Motion continues right here on thirteen ten, wu
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Speaker 2: eight four four two five six three seven. Talking this
Speaker 2: week about Roth iras Roth four oh one ks Roth
Speaker 2: conversions and CJ. If someone wants to leave assets to
Speaker 2: maybe their kids or grandkids, does a Roth conversion?
Speaker 1: Does? Does that make sense in that case?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It can. Before I mentioned that, I just want
Speaker 3: to pause on what Eric was just referencing there regarding
Speaker 3: Roth conversions. Again, we often get people who go, what's
Speaker 3: the difference between a conversion a contribution? And just remember
Speaker 3: conversions are money that are already in a retirement account.
Speaker 3: As Eric mentioned, that gets converted from a pre tax
Speaker 3: bucket to a Roth bucket, and in so doing you
Speaker 3: have to pay taxes. They the key element that Eric
Speaker 3: was talking about. There is often between when you initially
Speaker 3: retire and maybe when you turn on Social Security or
Speaker 3: when you initially retire, your highest marginal income tax bracket
Speaker 3: comes plummeting down. Now for a lot of you, you're like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I believe this. I don't understand. Listen,
Speaker 3: I get it. I totally understand that you are skeptical.
Speaker 3: But one of the biggest mistakes people can make is
Speaker 3: assuming they're gonna get it from me in some way.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't matter. Oh my goodness, that is not true.
Speaker 3: That is just I'm not saying you're not gonna pay
Speaker 3: any tax. I'm saying there is a high degree of
Speaker 3: control that you have over what tax bracket you pay
Speaker 3: and when. So, for those who are listening to Eric
Speaker 3: talk about roth conversions, thinking, is this it's really a thing?
Speaker 3: Should I really be slowing down and thinking about it? Absolutely,
Speaker 3: especially if you are retiring and gonna not draw SOLI
Speaker 3: security immediately. Okay, enough rambling about that. Just encourage you all.
Speaker 3: Talk to your financial advisors, talk to your accounts about
Speaker 3: this concept of lower marginal income tax brackets after you
Speaker 3: initially retire. But yes, coming back to your original question, Sean,
Speaker 3: you know, hey, how does this what does this mean
Speaker 3: for children and grandchildren? You know, should I be considering
Speaker 3: roth conversions. If I care about legacy goals, and the
Speaker 3: answer is absolutely now, it doesn't mean you're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: It just means it should be an absolute consideration if
Speaker 3: you care about legacy goals for the children and grandchildren.
Speaker 3: The Secure Act now requires non spousal beneficiaries. And when
Speaker 3: I say non spousal, just mean it means anybody but
Speaker 3: your spouse. That they have to take out all the
Speaker 3: money from those retirement accounts when they inherit them, generally speaking,
Speaker 3: within ten years. Okay, So imagine that I leave a
Speaker 3: pre tax traditional IRA to my children, say my wife
Speaker 3: has predeceased me. I leave money to my children and
Speaker 3: they are adults. If I leave them a million dollars
Speaker 3: in a retirement account that is pre tax, each one
Speaker 3: of my children has ten years to get all that
Speaker 3: money out. And if I leave it to them too
Speaker 3: early and they're working, what do we just talk about.
Speaker 3: When you're working, your highest marginal income tax bracket is
Speaker 3: typically higher. And then I leave them this retirement account,
Speaker 3: I mean, don't mis hear me. That's great and all
Speaker 3: my children are going to really appreciate that. But the
Speaker 3: marginal bracket that they're going to pay income taxes on
Speaker 3: as they pull that money out over the next ten years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's going to be really high. So, as you can imagine,
Speaker 3: this leads to saying, well, could Dad have done anything different? Now,
Speaker 3: if Dad dies young and unexpectedly, then the answers generally know.
Speaker 3: But if Dad would have been a little bit more strategic,
Speaker 3: and in this case, Dad is me in this, if
Speaker 3: Dad could have been a little bit more strategic, what
Speaker 3: Dad could have done is when he initially retired and
Speaker 3: his income was lower because he's just living off excess savings,
Speaker 3: and maybe if social securities turned on, but marginal income
Speaker 3: taxes have come plummeting down, Dad could have converted those
Speaker 3: traditional IRA dollars to wroth quote unquote, leveling out his
Speaker 3: tax liability throughout his retirement, and then when he died
Speaker 3: he would have left the children Wroth money. Now, interestingly enough,
Speaker 3: Wroth money still has to come out of the Wroth
Speaker 3: irate to non spousal beneficiaries within ten years. So the
Speaker 3: same rule of it, I got to get the money
Speaker 3: out in ten years applies to my children. But what's
Speaker 3: the difference. It's tax free, that's the difference. So That
Speaker 3: is the whole concept here of if I'm going to
Speaker 3: leave money to my children or grandchildren who might be
Speaker 3: in their peak years when they receive this inheritance, one
Speaker 3: thing I might want to really slow down and consider again.
Speaker 3: If legacy planning is one of my goals, and if
Speaker 3: I'm confident that I can leave money to to them,
Speaker 3: I may want to really slow down and consider doing
Speaker 3: a Roth conversion before before I die.
Speaker 2: Great great guidance this week and a really fantastic show.
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Speaker 2: Eric Schwartz, and I mentioned the telephone number, went hold
Speaker 2: on to it because it's time now for the class
Speaker 2: quiz question. The week works like CJ. By the way,
Speaker 2: was there something you want to add there? I also
Speaker 2: I started talking like I think we CJ have somebody.
Speaker 3: I have one of them.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know you and I've been doing the show
Speaker 2: together log enough kind to get a feeling like I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like, c you want to add one.
Speaker 3: More and you can sense it from two miles away.
Speaker 3: You can sense Sean stop. Hey. One other thing everybody
Speaker 3: often I mentioned that when your income goes down, So
Speaker 3: when you retire, say sixty sixty five, whether you turn
Speaker 3: on Social Security or not, again, generally your highest marginal
Speaker 3: income tax bracket comes plummeting down again. If you don't
Speaker 3: believe me on that, just come and I can show
Speaker 3: you a number of different models of why that happens.
Speaker 3: But then at seventy three or seventy five, typically these
Speaker 3: things called required minimum distribution kick on, which then jacks
Speaker 3: your income back up to those similar higher income tax brackets.
Speaker 3: So it is really in that range of if you
Speaker 3: retire before your require distribution age, or even if you
Speaker 3: partially retire and your income is way lower, it is
Speaker 3: in those years that often Roth conversions should come into play.
Speaker 3: In final thought, here we have become so wealthy as
Speaker 3: a society that people like Eric and I sit around
Speaker 3: and talk about these tax maneuvers that are really great,
Speaker 3: really really really great. But if you are sitting here
Speaker 3: saying legacy goals, I'm just hoping to be able to
Speaker 3: support myself, that's fantastic. God bless you and like and
Speaker 3: by the way, we work with tons of people who
Speaker 3: are not doing roth conversions, right, because really roth conversions
Speaker 3: are for those people who say, I'm probably pretty good
Speaker 3: here and I have so much that I'm gonna leave
Speaker 3: extra to my kids and grandkids. So just understand, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of the lifestyle the rich and famous here. If
Speaker 3: that doesn't apply to you, don't feel guilty, and know
Speaker 3: that we work with a lot of people who do
Speaker 3: not do this because they're focusing on, you know, making
Speaker 3: sure they don't run out of money themselves.
Speaker 2: Really good and thank goodness, I asked you, I had
Speaker 2: a feel and there was something that's something to add
Speaker 2: there and a really good perspective for sure.
Speaker 1: From CJ.
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Speaker 2: This week's coss quiz question the week is this true
Speaker 2: or false? A wroth Ira conversion means you are paying
Speaker 2: taxes on the converted amount now in the year of
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Speaker 1: C Jay Eric.
Speaker 2: It's always great talking with both of you, guys. Enjoy
Speaker 2: this beautiful day and we'll do it all again real soon.
Speaker 1: Thanks Sean, Take care guys. Th Sean see Eric. Doctor
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