Speaker 1: Among the world of true crime, you can find many
Speaker 1: types of stories. There are tales of bloody murder, crude torture,
Speaker 1: inspiring survival, and even the strangest of mysteries. The story
Speaker 1: of the Headless Valley is probably the oldest story we
Speaker 1: have covered to date on this podcast, with roots that
Speaker 1: go back tens of thousands of years, where tribes of
Speaker 1: indigenous worn all those they can against making the journey
Speaker 1: through the virtually untouched Nahani Valley. But as with all warnings,
Speaker 1: there are always people who do not heed the words
Speaker 1: of caution.
Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked.
Speaker 1: And Grim, a true crime podcast warning. The following podcast
Speaker 1: material in more mature audience listener discretion. You're yawning, Are
Speaker 1: you okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a rough day.
Speaker 1: Been a rough day. Yeah, it's tough working for yourself.
Speaker 2: Hey, it kind of is actually, and generally the days
Speaker 2: fly by, but today it dragged the ship on, Like
Speaker 2: I literally feel like it's midnight for some reason.
Speaker 1: Really it's well, I mean it's almost nine, but still, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely not midnight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why. I think it was because
Speaker 2: I was doing kind of more like financial behind the
Speaker 2: scenes banking relationship that just like drags you through the mud.
Speaker 1: All that good entrepreneurial fun stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the stuff that no one talks about that just
Speaker 2: sucks you dry.
Speaker 1: You know the best part about actually being able to
Speaker 1: work at home and being for yourself.
Speaker 2: Though, what's that I can have an alcoholic beverage whenever
Speaker 2: I want in my bosses and give a shit, which
Speaker 2: is awesome. It is awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are your own boss, so I'm sure
Speaker 1: you give a shit in some sense.
Speaker 2: Well I know, but if I'm like at lunch, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I don't drink a lot, but like at lunch, if
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'll have a glass of wine or
Speaker 2: maybe an hour before my day ends, like it doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: Like it's fine, fair enough. My boss is totally fine
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure my boss would be pissed.
Speaker 2: That's what I have to say. Yeah, the safety guy
Speaker 2: is not allowed to drink on the job.
Speaker 1: No, No, safety guy is not allowed to go to
Speaker 1: work and say, hey, do this shit safely. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go drink a beer over here. I don't think that
Speaker 1: would fly.
Speaker 2: You would not last long probably not, oh boy.
Speaker 1: Although I think I would probably be one of the
Speaker 1: more popular safety people every Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we hit a big milestone.
Speaker 1: We did.
Speaker 2: We kind of hated that at last episode, but we
Speaker 2: didn't denounce it.
Speaker 1: We did put it up on our social media.
Speaker 2: On Instagram because it was a real So I don't
Speaker 2: think we put it on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's right. But but we hit one million downloads?
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was only about seven months ago that
Speaker 1: we celebrated half a million downloads. Yeah, so that is
Speaker 1: pretty incredible thing.
Speaker 2: Mind blowing so much. Yeah, you guys are freaking amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you blow our minds.
Speaker 1: Boom, Yeah, that was my mind blowing.
Speaker 2: It's gone, it's gone, and Ben's one presenting, so we're screwed.
Speaker 1: Well that was the episode today. Hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Stay wicked. Oh before I do present my mind blown case.
Speaker 1: Those two have nothing to do with each other, but
Speaker 1: I just said it that way anyways, because why not.
Speaker 1: I have a Patreon the thing we had we do
Speaker 1: We had one person sign up on Patreon. So this
Speaker 1: is our shining star this week. Ryan mcgeechee, I really
Speaker 1: hope I said your name right. Thank you Ryan, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it rhymes with peache.
Speaker 2: So, Ryan mcgeechee, it sounds like you said it right.
Speaker 1: I hope I did.
Speaker 2: Ryan, will let us know. Let us know, Ryan, let us.
Speaker 1: Know if we said it right or wrong. We're going
Speaker 1: to assume for now we got it right. I want
Speaker 1: to get into this one though, because this is going
Speaker 1: to be a fun episode. We were just looking back
Speaker 1: at some of the ones I've been doing recently, because
Speaker 1: it was a couple months ago. We're like, we've been
Speaker 1: doing really heavy shit.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 1: I looked at the ones I've done specifically, You've covered
Speaker 1: a couple heavy ones, but I specifically have been going
Speaker 1: with some like oddball ones. How did you word it
Speaker 1: weird or strange or.
Speaker 2: Something out of the ball or what did I say?
Speaker 2: I can't We did a pre show on Patreon tonight.
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: But anyways, some different ones. Yeah, and I got another
Speaker 1: different one for you here today.
Speaker 2: Have I done any light hearted ones?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I maybe you need to look back and you maybe
Speaker 2: need to tell me to do a light hearted one.
Speaker 1: You're all about like necrophilia stuff.
Speaker 2: Hey, No, I'm not. I've done maybe like a handful
Speaker 2: of that of those kind of cases, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: I think I've done like zero of them.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Yeah, I do tend to pick
Speaker 2: heavier cases, so I'll have to maybe try to get
Speaker 2: a light hearted one here.
Speaker 1: Well, when I pick heavy cases, it's usually graphic stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pick like disturbing stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And because the heaviest cases that we've done, you
Speaker 2: have done, though, I will say that I don't like
Speaker 2: what was it for? Four days of Hell? Yeah, the
Speaker 2: Hello Kitty one? Those are horrific.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've also done some horrific ones too, like
Speaker 1: the Japanese dude what was his name?
Speaker 2: You thought that one was horrific, the celebrity cannibal or
Speaker 2: whatever his name is. But that was disturbing. It wasn't
Speaker 2: as graphic as it actually it was.
Speaker 1: How is that not graphic?
Speaker 2: We have to move on. I'm spirallyle I've done some
Speaker 2: brutal ones.
Speaker 1: Well. Today, like I said, it's a different one. It's
Speaker 1: another mystery. This is the case known as the Valley
Speaker 1: of the Headless Men. Okay, so this episode takes place
Speaker 1: in the Nahani Valley, which is located in the Canadian
Speaker 1: Northwest Territories.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: We're bringing it home to Canada for this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we said we were overdue.
Speaker 1: And this valley is a large untouched area that is
Speaker 1: basically straight out of a fantasy story. It is currently
Speaker 1: listed as an USECO World Heritage Site. And it's basically
Speaker 1: like there's these fifty sites worldwide that it's like these
Speaker 1: are kind of like a natural wonder there's world sort
Speaker 1: of thing. Okay, I think there was fifty of them
Speaker 1: on this list. This is one of them. And it
Speaker 1: is forty seven four hundred and seventy thousand hectares of
Speaker 1: undisturbed natural area.
Speaker 2: Really yes, holy shit.
Speaker 1: It's filled with massive jagged mountains, large expanse, lush forest,
Speaker 1: rolling rivers, and a hell of a lot of wildlife.
Speaker 2: And is it untouched touched mostly just because it's kind
Speaker 2: of hard to get to it's dense or you'll be
Speaker 2: going over that.
Speaker 1: Mean we'll be going over that. So it is a
Speaker 1: remote location. It's closest civilization is yellow Knife, which is
Speaker 1: over five hundred kilometers away, which I believe is about
Speaker 1: three hundred miles and I think that's only like twenty
Speaker 1: thousand people, So not a very big location next or
Speaker 1: even close to it. So this patch of land is
Speaker 1: quite literally one of the hardest places to visit in
Speaker 1: the world. Wow, it's insane. Now it is only accessible
Speaker 1: to fly in by play or travel up river by
Speaker 1: a long journey of boat ride unless one quite literally
Speaker 1: plans on traveling through literal, uncharted, dense boreal forest on foot.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Which is like weeks probably like maybe even like month
Speaker 1: plus of travel like good luck. Yeah, So all in all,
Speaker 1: it's a that nature lover's dream. The South Nahani River
Speaker 1: would take visitors through the four canyons that are over
Speaker 1: three thousand feet high. Whoa, And I could not clarify
Speaker 1: how deep some of these rivers are, but it seems
Speaker 1: like many of these rivers in some of these air Sorry,
Speaker 1: this river in many areas is like exceeding like a
Speaker 1: thousand feet deep.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Again, couldn't clarify it, but that's what it seems. It's
Speaker 1: fucking unfathomable.
Speaker 2: Basically, you almost have to wonder if there's what's there
Speaker 2: right like, because you can't explore depths like that in
Speaker 2: a river. So it's like, God, what's living down there.
Speaker 1: And going through these because there's four canyons. They're literally
Speaker 1: labeled like first, second, third, fourth canyon. Going through these canyons,
Speaker 1: it's like sheer rock walls and it's like it's called
Speaker 1: the Canadian Grand Canyon. You can't get off the river bed.
Speaker 1: You're just on a river with thousand feet deep walls
Speaker 1: and thousands of feet of rock cliff sheer up beside it.
Speaker 2: That's a visual that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these sections, it's like it gets dark
Speaker 1: because it's like blotting out the sky and shit, holy shit,
Speaker 1: I mean how dark. I don't know, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's like it gets very little sunlight. It's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't even I would. At first.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, I want to go explore over
Speaker 2: there if you can, but no, thanks.
Speaker 1: There are some exploration ventures you can take out in
Speaker 1: these areas, but it's very costly and very restricted.
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they played home to like I said, these
Speaker 1: deep rivers, these massive freaking mountains. They also have plenty
Speaker 1: of deep unexplored caves along these canyon walls, massive waterfalls,
Speaker 1: and of course animals that have had absolutely zero contact
Speaker 1: with humans. So I imagine walking through it'd be like
Speaker 1: freaking snow white with deer just standing next to you,
Speaker 1: zero fear sort of thing. One waterfall in the area
Speaker 1: is actually named Virginia Falls. It stands a massive ninety
Speaker 1: two meters high, which is twice the size of Niagara Falls.
Speaker 2: Wow, and is.
Speaker 1: Labeled as one of the most beautiful waterfalls in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, is there photos of that? Yep, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to look that up.
Speaker 1: Its amazing. Do it up, Virginia Falls. It's amazing. I'd
Speaker 1: be so lucky to see that in a lifetime. Now.
Speaker 1: The waterfall has actually sparked many stories and legends on
Speaker 1: its own. Like you said, it's like what's in there?
Speaker 1: People haven't been able to explore it, right, So some
Speaker 1: of these we'll discuss a little bit later on here,
Speaker 1: But one of them I want to mention is that
Speaker 1: the waterfall actually filled the valley below with so much
Speaker 1: mist that it was like very humid environment down there below,
Speaker 1: like lots of moisture in the air, so much so
Speaker 1: that a rare orchid is actually said to bloom in
Speaker 1: the area.
Speaker 2: Okay. See, I was feeling like there's things in this
Speaker 2: area that we probably haven't seen regularly I would assume.
Speaker 1: So yeah, now, nowhere Canadian orchid has ever been proven
Speaker 1: to exist in the shadows of these falls, But that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that the story is untrue, because, like
Speaker 1: we've said, the exploration is pretty minimal. So the Nahani Valley, though,
Speaker 1: is it's an untouched landscape. It's a wonder, it's a beauty.
Speaker 1: But despite all this, very few people and almost no
Speaker 1: one actually wants to go there now, probably because A
Speaker 1: it's dangerous as shit like traveling in there, and B,
Speaker 1: I mean it's northern Canada, especially near the winter, cold
Speaker 1: as fuck right.
Speaker 2: Like I can say that again, but I.
Speaker 1: Mean jokes aside, there's also another reason why people generally
Speaker 1: straight away from the area. Now. It all starts with
Speaker 1: the Danehey people, Now they can trace back their ancestry
Speaker 1: back over ten thousand years before the Europeans ever landed
Speaker 1: in the area in the eighteenth century. They passed stories
Speaker 1: down from generation to generation and still to this day
Speaker 1: they passed these stories down. Now they warn anyone trying
Speaker 1: to go into the valley that they're about to step
Speaker 1: into an extremely evil place.
Speaker 2: Okay, because what did you title this or what did
Speaker 2: you say it was called.
Speaker 1: The Valley of the headless Men.
Speaker 2: Oh God, okay, yeah, holy shit.
Speaker 1: Now, their ancient stories tell of an ancient tribe. I
Speaker 1: probably should have used better words description there. Their ancient
Speaker 1: stories tell of an ancient tribe. My bad on that one.
Speaker 1: But anyways, they tell of this ancient tribe of warriors
Speaker 1: that once lived in the Nahani Valley and the terrible
Speaker 1: fate that happened to them. Now, the Danehey tribe once
Speaker 1: had been war with these people, and they were called
Speaker 1: the Naha people who lived in this valley, hence the
Speaker 1: Nahani Valley the Naha people.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So, the Naha were an aggressive people. They were strong
Speaker 1: and stood very tall, especially compared to anyone in the
Speaker 1: Danejey tribe. They wore fierce masks that struck terror into
Speaker 1: those who came face to face with them. Some stories
Speaker 1: say that they wielded weapons unlike any but the dnae
Speaker 1: Heey people had ever seen before, and other stories even
Speaker 1: said that they were a tribe of cannibals. So, according
Speaker 1: to the Danaee people, they were constantly living in fear
Speaker 1: of the Naha. All too often they would find themselves
Speaker 1: waking up in the middle of the night to screams
Speaker 1: as their village was under attack. Now the Naha would
Speaker 1: attack them, They would steal food, pillage, and kill the
Speaker 1: strongest warriors in their tribe before they disappeared back into
Speaker 1: the darkness of the valley, leaving behind the ter terrified
Speaker 1: people wondering when they would be.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, well, yeah, because they're just like weakening
Speaker 2: the tribe every attack, then, hey, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Exactly Constantly trying to keep it as weak as possible
Speaker 1: would most likely have been their goal. So the danae
Speaker 1: Hay tried as best as they could to keep themselves
Speaker 1: prepared to fight back, but the Naha attack so often
Speaker 1: that they could never really stand a chance. They couldn't
Speaker 1: get their strength up. That is until one day the
Speaker 1: danae Hay finally managed to get a party of warriors
Speaker 1: ready to strike back. The Naha had an attack for
Speaker 1: a while, and it was just long enough that they
Speaker 1: were able to prepare this offensive attack onto the Naha.
Speaker 1: So under the cover of darkness, the danae Hay made
Speaker 1: their way into the valley and found the Naha village,
Speaker 1: and they stormed into their homes, hoping to end the
Speaker 1: war right then and there. But when they did so,
Speaker 1: they were met with a very baffling discovery. The Naha
Speaker 1: were nowhere to be found. They vanished, just gone.
Speaker 2: I would be like, eerie, hey, like you're just guns
Speaker 2: of blazing, like going in, they're gonna stir some shit
Speaker 2: and just yeah, no one's there.
Speaker 1: It's like you finally have this pause. It's just enough
Speaker 1: time to fight back and you go in and now
Speaker 1: you're learning why there's this pause.
Speaker 2: But you'd almost wonder. I feel like I would at
Speaker 2: first think, Okay, where the shit are they? Like, are
Speaker 2: they expecting us to come? Like, holy shit, where are
Speaker 2: they hiding?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably almost panicking. Yeah, did they go to
Speaker 1: our village?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you'd probably have a lot of things running through
Speaker 1: your mind. Is this an ambush of sorts? Are they
Speaker 1: over in our village right now? Are they waiting the
Speaker 1: bush line to come ambush us as we're in there?
Speaker 1: Like who knows?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was their entire village though, mind you,
Speaker 1: not just their warriors. Their entire village was gone. It
Speaker 1: was deserted. Their tea piece reportedly stood there still tall,
Speaker 1: but not a single person was around looked like everyone
Speaker 1: in the whole village had just gotten up that day,
Speaker 1: dropped everything, and disappeared and just vanished. So both the
Speaker 1: Danaey and the Naha people reportedly already spoke of evil
Speaker 1: spirits that I kind of already alluded to, and also
Speaker 1: giants that lived nearby that stole people away, cooked them
Speaker 1: in the hot springs in the valley.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So when the Danae warriors found the Naha village completely
Speaker 1: deserted and they were nowhere in sight no matter where
Speaker 1: they looked, they assumed that this was probably their.
Speaker 2: Fate holy which is I don't know, terrifying. I feel
Speaker 2: like both the most terrifying out come possible, because then
Speaker 2: you're like, are we next? Like how would you even
Speaker 2: fight that? Right?
Speaker 1: Oh? Exactly. So they brought this news back to their home,
Speaker 1: to their own village, and after that they never stepped
Speaker 1: foot back in that valley again. They didn't want to
Speaker 1: anger whoever or whatever caused the Naha to disappear, and
Speaker 1: like you said, they wanted to avoid the same fate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, or try to at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that valley was after that strictly off limits.
Speaker 1: No one went in there, and still to this day,
Speaker 1: the Danehe people claim that one then sorry, no one
Speaker 1: from the Naha was ever seen again. Wow, But the
Speaker 1: disappearances would only be the first of a very long
Speaker 1: and disturbing history regarding this place.
Speaker 2: Holy okay, this is fucking scary.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is like I said, this is a different,
Speaker 1: different tale here, But I never said it's not going
Speaker 1: to be a bad one. Not interesting still because holy.
Speaker 2: Fuck, well freaking whole tribes just disappearing. That's that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's one thing to think of like an
Speaker 1: ancient story of like tribes disappearing, right, And it's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's stories of that all around the world,
Speaker 1: which there really is. I think the Mayans for example,
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff, Egyptians, whatever. But now we
Speaker 1: have this history moving forward still thousands of years where
Speaker 1: it continues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still like untouched land, like you don't go there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So bring us forward several thousand years into the
Speaker 1: eighteenth century. Many places all over the United States, North America, Canada,
Speaker 1: we're all expecting or sorry, experiencing what we now call
Speaker 1: the gold Rush. We actually have a town not too
Speaker 1: far from us known as Barkerville.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love Barkerville.
Speaker 1: Awesome there. So if you ever get the chance, head
Speaker 1: to Barkerville. It's an awesome little place. Gold Rush town, beautiful,
Speaker 1: lots of history. Anyways, I digress. So they're experiencing the
Speaker 1: gold rush. Entire towns and villages sprang up in remote locations,
Speaker 1: previously uninhabited patches of land to support these prospecting miners,
Speaker 1: all of them in search of gold. Right, I think the.
Speaker 2: Uh stretch to get there? What do they always say,
Speaker 2: strike rich, strike it rich?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Think of the prospector from the Rudolph movie,
Speaker 1: realf Rednill's reindeer. There's gold in these mountains and he
Speaker 1: pick nothing. That's the kind of guy we're looking at here.
Speaker 1: So in this time, three prospectors decided to try their
Speaker 1: lock up north now where it had spread of an
Speaker 1: untouched valley up in the Nahani River. And these three
Speaker 1: men knew that they might be able to find gold
Speaker 1: up there, especially being first because it was quote untouched.
Speaker 1: So in nineteen oh four, three brothers, Charlie Frank and
Speaker 1: Willie McLeod set off from Alberta to what we now
Speaker 1: call the two hundred Mile Gorge they intended on heading
Speaker 1: up to Alaska through the Nahani River area, prospecting on
Speaker 1: their way, Alaska being where a lot of people were
Speaker 1: headed for gold, so they are going through trying to
Speaker 1: find gold along the way they struck it perfect. If not,
Speaker 1: they make their way over to Alaska where everyone else is.
Speaker 1: But in doing so, like this Nahani untouched River area
Speaker 1: was a shortcut to the Alaska area.
Speaker 2: Did they not know the stories?
Speaker 1: Well, they may have known some, but what we do
Speaker 1: know though, as per short cuts, shortcuts are usually a
Speaker 1: short cut for a reason, because otherwise they would just
Speaker 1: be the normal way to go.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, they ended up finding themselves following what is
Speaker 1: called the flat River heading upstream into the Nahani Valley,
Speaker 1: ignoring the warnings from the danae Hey people that I'm
Speaker 1: sure they received.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: The McCleod brothers only had the most basic camping gear,
Speaker 1: their guns, their tools for prospecting, and of course, Canada
Speaker 1: being Canada, had a very cold winter, especially apparently particularly
Speaker 1: this winter. Okay, but regardless, they were very experienced outdoorsmen.
Speaker 1: They knew how to handle themselves, They knew how to
Speaker 1: survive the winters, the wilds provide for themselves, you name it.
Speaker 1: They were not going into this blind basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like they thought they were set. They
Speaker 2: were ready to go one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look around, look at people like
Speaker 1: around here where we live now, we're smacked AaB in
Speaker 1: the middle of British Columbia. There's a lot of outdoorsmen here,
Speaker 1: most of which today they think they're very capable in
Speaker 1: the bush. Put them out there for a week on
Speaker 1: their own, with the kind of gear that these guys had,
Speaker 1: they'd be dead in three days. These guys different story.
Speaker 1: You could easily put them out there with nothing and
Speaker 1: they'd probably have a cabin built in a week.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so yeah, very comfortable, very knowledgeable, very experienced.
Speaker 1: Well, and we're talking the nineteen hundreds, right, This is
Speaker 1: the kind of person you have to be to even
Speaker 1: exist in this type of lifestyle.
Speaker 2: They didn't have places like Atmosphere or whatever where you
Speaker 2: could go buy. No, you're five hundred dollars jackets and
Speaker 2: shit to keep you warm.
Speaker 1: You're not going to have a North faced jacket in
Speaker 1: your Arctic sleeping bag. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1: So anyways, on their very first day in this area,
Speaker 1: the brothers made their camp and they struck it big
Speaker 1: on the river side, did they. In no time at all,
Speaker 1: the brothers had filled every single spare container they had gold.
Speaker 2: Reportedly, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And they marked the spot on their maps, knowing that
Speaker 1: they couldn't possibly carry anymore. They were going to come
Speaker 1: back later.
Speaker 2: Right, that's exciting as shit for them.
Speaker 1: So they piled it into their boat and set along
Speaker 1: the flat river. Now the flat river is anything but flat,
Speaker 1: and like I said, it's not a short cut. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a shortcut for a reason, because it would be
Speaker 1: the way otherwise, right, right, So the brothers found out
Speaker 1: very quickly and the hard way that only a little
Speaker 1: bit downstream from where they were, you know, the river
Speaker 1: became much more turbulent, okay, And in doing so, trying
Speaker 1: to go through these rapids, their boat flipped and destroyed.
Speaker 2: H and they lost all their gold, oh you bet you,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: They managed to swim ashore picked some of the gear
Speaker 1: that they could, but most of their supplies mining gear, gold,
Speaker 1: the boat gone.
Speaker 2: Okay, that would just be devastating, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So undeterred though, the McLeod brothers made camp again.
Speaker 1: They did have some supplies they managed to save. Now
Speaker 1: they now had to build another boat, however, to continue
Speaker 1: on the river and get their way out of there.
Speaker 1: And they figured by the time they'd done that, that
Speaker 1: have all the gold they need once again if they
Speaker 1: mined the river there where they're making camp. Okay, but
Speaker 1: this time they weren't so lucky. By the time the
Speaker 1: boat was done, the brothers had nothing to show for
Speaker 1: their mining in the air shit, and of course they
Speaker 1: were out of their supplies too, So, not wanting to
Speaker 1: risk it, McLeod brothers headed home. They needed to get
Speaker 1: out of there, They needed to restock and supply right
Speaker 1: and the two of them knew that they wanted head
Speaker 1: straight back right away. They had a taste for gold
Speaker 1: and they found it along the river, and gold fever,
Speaker 1: which was a very real thing, had a grip on.
Speaker 2: Them, right. Yeah, I actually remember learning about that at Barkerville.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gold fever had people going nutso yeah. So in
Speaker 1: nineteen oh five, Frank and Willy, two of the brothers,
Speaker 1: organized another trip to head right back.
Speaker 2: Okay, just two of the brothers, sorry, just two Okay.
Speaker 1: They took better gear this time, but Charlie, the third brother.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to test his luck again. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know about this. That was
Speaker 1: pretty rough waters and stuff. We flipped it last time,
Speaker 1: you guys, go do your thing. So Charlie out of
Speaker 1: the picture. Frank and Willy actually brought along a friend
Speaker 1: by the name of Robert Weir instead to replace Charlie
Speaker 1: on the adventure or expedition or whatever you would call it. Yep,
Speaker 1: So they had left for the border between the dnay
Speaker 1: Hey people's land and the valley. They hopped into the
Speaker 1: canoe and started paddling upstream or boat or whatever it
Speaker 1: really was. It's kind of unclear, but this was the
Speaker 1: last time anyone saw them alive.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So that one brother, I was like,
Speaker 2: this is going to pay off for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a a life changing decision. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: life saving decision.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Which is always yeah, you got to
Speaker 2: listen to your gut. But that's also he just has
Speaker 2: lost to brothers, which is devastating.
Speaker 1: It is, and I do want to mention here, like,
Speaker 1: because they were expected to be for gone for quite
Speaker 1: some while, it took a long time for anyone to
Speaker 1: really realize that these two brothers were missing.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had been gone for about a year by
Speaker 1: the time their brother Charlie began to suspect that something
Speaker 1: was wrong.
Speaker 2: That's a really long time.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, remember this is the nineteen hundreds, so
Speaker 1: and assume that they were busy mining gold up there
Speaker 1: there in the middle of nowhere. A year with a
Speaker 1: word of them was kind of probably like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: equivalent of the Kardashians not upgrading their Instagram in one day.
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of what I'm assuming here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's actually probably a very good comparison.
Speaker 1: I mean it's true. I'm sorry, but it was like
Speaker 1: he was like expecting to hear from them within a year,
Speaker 1: sort of. Okay, so when the year lapsed, he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe something's going on.
Speaker 2: It was much harder to get in touch with people
Speaker 2: back then.
Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, there's no cell phone there. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: now no FaceTime. Probably not even pigeons to carry a
Speaker 1: fucking letter for you. No, so I'm sure there was pigeons,
Speaker 1: it just didn't use them in this For I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go and up into the bush gold mining. I doubt
Speaker 1: he brought a fucking pigeon. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But anyways, by this time Charlie had to wait though,
Speaker 1: even though by the time he discovered like, hey, something
Speaker 1: might be going on, he had to wait for the
Speaker 1: following summer for it to be safe for him to
Speaker 1: follow his brother's trails in search of them.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So it was about two years almost.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine not even being able to go
Speaker 2: an investigator, like it's going to be on your mind,
Speaker 2: but there's literally nothing you can do nothing. I hate
Speaker 2: that now.
Speaker 1: This is also kind of when rumors began to run
Speaker 1: rampant about these men striking it rich in a river
Speaker 1: full of gold. There was talk in the area of
Speaker 1: the area in the valley that there was gold like
Speaker 1: no other There was gold everywhere. There was this great,
Speaker 1: big waterfall that was like another world. The forest even
Speaker 1: surrounding the waterfall was tropical, with you know, orchids growing
Speaker 1: in the midst.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt magical.
Speaker 1: It does. There was even rumors of like ancient beasts
Speaker 1: like mammoths and shit starting really basically like an El
Speaker 1: Dorado sort of situation that these two brothers had stumbled on,
Speaker 1: so the ancient creatures, tropical all that sort of stuff
Speaker 1: aside the gold was enough to strike people's interest in
Speaker 1: the potential of making their own move in the area.
Speaker 1: Thinking that these two brothers were up there found all
Speaker 1: this gold, there's no need for him to come back
Speaker 1: living a life in this like golden freaking mine of gold,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, which the.
Speaker 2: Brother could have even thought that too, right or potentially,
Speaker 2: because I think lots of times back then like yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, your life situations change and there isn't the
Speaker 2: means of really letting people know or whatever. So I
Speaker 2: feel like that could have been an option too, right,
Speaker 2: that the brother was sinking exactly.
Speaker 1: So this sort of thing piqued a lot of other
Speaker 1: people's interests, and they were now thinking about making their
Speaker 1: own move into the area for search of gold and
Speaker 1: finding this plot of gold that the brothers found too,
Speaker 1: and getting their stake and their share in it. So
Speaker 1: back to Charlie though. In nineteen oh eight, he and
Speaker 1: a search party of four of other men headed out
Speaker 1: following the river upstream where he and his brother set
Speaker 1: out a few years prior to go for gold. So
Speaker 1: it was on July twenty fourth of nineteen oh eight,
Speaker 1: he would find his brother's camp on the river bank
Speaker 1: of the South Honey River. It was just around the
Speaker 1: Second Canyon area, and here is where he would find
Speaker 1: his brothers as well. Now he instantly knew something terrible
Speaker 1: had happened to his brothers. They looked like they had
Speaker 1: been coming out of the tent when whatever happened had
Speaker 1: happened to them. Oh no, One of them was found
Speaker 1: halfway in and halfway out of the tent, the other
Speaker 1: just in front, his arm still stretched out and reaching
Speaker 1: towards a gun that was leaning against the tree just
Speaker 1: a few feet away. Both of them were badly decomposed,
Speaker 1: and both were missing their heads.
Speaker 2: WHOA okay, And.
Speaker 1: It was actually only through their clothes and some of
Speaker 1: the personal items left inside the tent that Charlie was
Speaker 1: actually able to identify the remains. They were decomposed fairly badly,
Speaker 1: mind you, And there was no trace of the third man,
Speaker 1: Robert Nils.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was just gonna ask where's the friend?
Speaker 1: No, he was gone. So with him gone and the
Speaker 1: only two witnesses to what had happened dead, there was
Speaker 1: nothing for Charlie to do but to head out of
Speaker 1: the valley and notify the RCMP or the Royal Canadian
Speaker 1: Mounted Police for those non Canadian people out there.
Speaker 2: Did they think that, did Charlie think it could potentially
Speaker 2: have been the friend?
Speaker 1: There is speculation of that. I'll touch on that here shortly. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the RCMP also made their way to the scene,
Speaker 1: where they also found a carving on a tree nearby. Now,
Speaker 1: this carving said quote, we have found a good prospect.
Speaker 1: Neither of the men had any gold on them, and
Speaker 1: there wasn't any at the campsite. There was no gold
Speaker 1: to be found. But yet they rode on a tree.
Speaker 1: We found a good prospect.
Speaker 2: And there had been the rumors and stuff too, right
Speaker 2: that they had, yes, found.
Speaker 1: In fact a good prospect an El Dorado, if you will. So,
Speaker 1: of course, with the missing gold, these two men killed.
Speaker 1: The theory that you just mentioned sprang out that maybe
Speaker 1: Robert had killed them stolen the gold. However, another set
Speaker 1: of skeletal remains, also missing its head, was found downstream
Speaker 1: a few months later. Oh okay, No one could confirm
Speaker 1: then it belonged to Robert, but in the end they
Speaker 1: attributed the remains to him.
Speaker 2: That it was most likely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and just like the other two before, no
Speaker 1: gold was found. The RCNP then said that all of
Speaker 1: the men had died out of starvation and claimed that
Speaker 1: large animals like bears and wolves had then gotten to
Speaker 1: the remains and that was why the heads were missing,
Speaker 1: and they.
Speaker 2: Just went after the heads. That's it. Hey, yeah, apparently
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They will pick your body clean. Bears,
Speaker 1: for example, They'll they'll start with your stomach, they'll over
Speaker 1: the organs.
Speaker 2: I was going to say that because the head isn't
Speaker 2: the juiciest part of the ba is a terrible description.
Speaker 1: But what what an animal will do. They'll bite your neck,
Speaker 1: they'll break your neck and paralyze you, and then they'll
Speaker 1: start eating your soft underbelly. You'll see that in wildlife constantly.
Speaker 1: They go for like the butt and the underbelly. That's
Speaker 1: where all the nutrients and the best meat and stuff is.
Speaker 1: Why would they go for a skull?
Speaker 2: And they don't. But isn't it Sometimes they don't even
Speaker 2: kill you. They'll start eating you alive.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. If a bear, excuse me, if a
Speaker 1: bear attacks you, wolves attack you, cougar whatever, they don't
Speaker 1: kill you. They just eat you. Yeah. Yeah, there's recordings
Speaker 1: out there of individuals getting attacked and yeah you hear
Speaker 1: eating and screaming.
Speaker 2: Holy shit. See, this is why I have a fear
Speaker 2: lately of going hiking. Like, I don't know, it's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Animals are terrifying.
Speaker 2: They're terrifying.
Speaker 1: Nature is fucking scary.
Speaker 2: It is scary.
Speaker 1: So I highly doubt that animals are responsible for removing
Speaker 1: a head and consuming only ad.
Speaker 2: Only the head. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: No, they'll pick you clean, they will. They'll eat you,
Speaker 1: and a bear, particularly grizzly, will drag you away and
Speaker 1: bury you for later because they like that rancid meat.
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, the visuals here.
Speaker 1: Beautiful right, yeah, can smell it?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Anyways, news quickly spread, adding some legitimacy to the Danehey
Speaker 1: story about the evil spirits in the valley. But it
Speaker 1: looked like McCloud's had struck gold in the valley not
Speaker 1: once but twice.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they should have had some money or some
Speaker 2: gold should have.
Speaker 1: But the first time we have a witness, a brother
Speaker 1: who said, yeah, we had a shit ton of gold
Speaker 1: but capsized.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Second time, around, they rode on a tree. We found
Speaker 1: good prospect, right, So there's there's gold there and there
Speaker 1: should be law of it by the sound of it.
Speaker 1: So that patch river was was named the Headless Creek, sorry,
Speaker 1: the headless the Headless Creek, I kind of headless creek.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you can imagine why the valley renamed
Speaker 1: the Headless Valley. And still because of the rumors of gold,
Speaker 1: people went out in search of the McLeod's mind aka
Speaker 1: the el Dorado of the North.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, nothing will deter people.
Speaker 1: Hey, no, people will do fucking anything for money, guarantee.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it also does sound just like almost
Speaker 2: heaven on earth to write the description of the Okay,
Speaker 2: some of the descriptions, like the waterfall, the orchid, like
Speaker 2: the tropical not the headless men.
Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely not but yeah, the endless riches of gold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: beautiful tropical location in the Canadian North with beautiful beasts
Speaker 1: and flowers like, yeah, it sounds like an el Dorado
Speaker 1: and that's why it is named the El Dorado of
Speaker 1: the North. And I'm I'm sure that picture, coupled with
Speaker 1: gold fever would draw the attention of some individuals. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: which it most certainly did.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, everyone also thinks it's not gonna happen to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's now, let's talk about some other individuals
Speaker 1: that ventured into the area and their fate. So in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen, a prospector named Martin Jorgensen wrote home saying
Speaker 1: that he found gold in the Nahani Valley. Martin was
Speaker 1: all in his own and he planned to be out
Speaker 1: in the wilderness looking for gold all through the winter.
Speaker 1: To survive, he'd built a small wooden cabin, and while
Speaker 1: doing that, that's when he struck gold. He wrote home,
Speaker 1: telling his partners to meet up with him when it
Speaker 1: was safe to travel. But when Martin didn't show up
Speaker 1: at the meeting spot he'd specified, they knew something was
Speaker 1: most likely wrong. Fearing the worst, his partner set off
Speaker 1: into the valley to look for him and find him.
Speaker 2: They did headless.
Speaker 1: He was right beside his cabin, which had been completely
Speaker 1: burned down, and he was headless.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: That being the fourth bought body total that had been
Speaker 1: found without its head. Prospector assuming because of the third body,
Speaker 1: is not clarified if it was that individual, but it's
Speaker 1: attributed to so we can assume. However, though, even still
Speaker 1: being the fourth body, headless fourth prospector, the police made
Speaker 1: zero connections between Martin and the McLeod brothers at the time.
Speaker 1: His head was, of course, never located, and neither was
Speaker 1: the gold that he claimed to have found in his
Speaker 1: letter to his partners, just like the others, head gone, gold.
Speaker 2: Gone, Yeah, exactly the.
Speaker 1: Same, and no one around to be.
Speaker 2: Of witness or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one to attribute it to. The News about
Speaker 1: this discovery also quickly spread, and the elusive McLeod mine,
Speaker 1: you know, it's reignited. Prospectors flooded the valley.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is just so bizarre to me.
Speaker 1: It's okay, Yeah, some of them made it out of
Speaker 1: the valley alive, completely unharmed.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: Some of them not so lucky.
Speaker 2: And did any of them that made it out alive
Speaker 2: also make it out with a bunch of gold?
Speaker 1: Probably not not that I found. I'm sure some people
Speaker 1: found some gold. I mean they say, like on the
Speaker 1: Fraser River, which is just running through our city. If
Speaker 1: you go gold panning on the Fraser River, you will
Speaker 1: find gold, and you will find it every single time.
Speaker 1: But the amount is very, very small. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: probably like, I don't know, if you pan for half
Speaker 1: an hour, you might find five cents in gold, but
Speaker 1: you will find gold like every time.
Speaker 2: That's really cool though.
Speaker 1: I actually kind of want to go do it one day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But there's there's legality issues with that.
Speaker 2: Oh is there there is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I wouldn't even have known that.
Speaker 1: I think you'd probably just go to like a spot
Speaker 1: where you're not no one's watching you and just go pant.
Speaker 1: People do that all the time. I think, if you're
Speaker 1: going to pan for an afternoon, I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: will fucking care.
Speaker 2: But probably not.
Speaker 1: But there is legal issues with it. That's what they
Speaker 1: call it, a claim, a claim to hold the rights
Speaker 1: to pull the minerals and stuff out of the river. Okay, yeah, anyways.
Speaker 1: The next story is nineteen twenty six. A woman named
Speaker 1: Annie Lafferty was part of a hunting party near the
Speaker 1: Flat River. Now. When everyone at camp went to sleep
Speaker 1: for that night, she was still with them, but when
Speaker 1: they woke up in the morning, she was gone. The
Speaker 1: hunting party spent the day looking for her, but when
Speaker 1: they couldn't find her, they were unfortunately forced to move
Speaker 1: on without her.
Speaker 2: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: Now they did notify the RCMP, who came out and
Speaker 1: searched the area, but they couldn't find Annie anywhere. Now.
Speaker 1: Months later, a Native American called Big Charlie heard about
Speaker 1: the search and went to speak to the place himself.
Speaker 1: He claimed to have been near the hunting party that night,
Speaker 1: not being part of the same group as them, but
Speaker 1: out on his own camping near the same river, heard
Speaker 1: the sounds of rocks falling into the river. In the
Speaker 1: middle of the night, he claims to have seen a
Speaker 1: woman out in the forest and heading up the mountain
Speaker 1: a little ways away from where he had made camp.
Speaker 1: He said that she had been completely nude and clearly
Speaker 1: out of her mind. She'd been crawling on all fours,
Speaker 1: knocking rocks into the river as she was climbing up
Speaker 1: the mountain. He said that she looked possessed, which is
Speaker 1: why he'd been too afraid to chase after her himself.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't think I would. Yeah, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: That was the last suspected sighting of Annie.
Speaker 2: Huh wow, Okay.
Speaker 1: She'd never been found.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Now, only a year later, in nineteen twenty seven officials
Speaker 1: in the area discovered the skeletal remains of a man
Speaker 1: just off Bennett Creek. This man went by Yukon Fisher
Speaker 1: and the Royal. The RCMP had actually been on the
Speaker 1: lookout for him several years earlier when they found him
Speaker 1: in the valley. Now they had caught wind of him
Speaker 1: trade gold nuggets for goods along the frontier, but they
Speaker 1: couldn't have expected to find him dead remarkably close to
Speaker 1: where the McLeod brothers had been found about twenty years before.
Speaker 1: Only a year after that.
Speaker 2: Headless or no, they're not headless anymore.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't headless. Only a year after that, though,
Speaker 1: a prospector called Angus Hall just vanished. He was walking
Speaker 1: ahead of his party when they suddenly lost sight of him,
Speaker 1: and he was never seen again.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty one, another burnt down cabin was found
Speaker 1: with another body inside of it. Phil Powers had been
Speaker 1: another prospector out in the search of gold. But this time,
Speaker 1: and to great dispute, the RCMP ruled the death to
Speaker 1: be the result of a faulty stove pipe burning his
Speaker 1: cabin down. Now, others claimed that it was clear that
Speaker 1: the fire had started on his roof, which would have
Speaker 1: given Phil plenty of time to escape had he had
Speaker 1: been alive at the time the fire had started, adding
Speaker 1: speculation to him being killed prior.
Speaker 2: And there's there's too many cases that it's just there's
Speaker 2: something going on.
Speaker 1: Well, there's more to come because in nineteen thirty six,
Speaker 1: two more prospectors, Bill Muholland and Bill Empire, disappeared. Search
Speaker 1: of the valley came back with nothing except their cabin,
Speaker 1: which had also been completely burnt to the ground.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty five, Ernest Savered, a minor from Ontario,
Speaker 1: was found dead in his sleeping bag. He was headless.
Speaker 1: His head was never found, but something else was not
Speaker 1: too far from where his body was. Out in the forest.
Speaker 1: Trapped by the name of John O'Brien was found sitting
Speaker 1: next to his campfire. In his hands was a match,
Speaker 1: but John was frozen to death before he was able
Speaker 1: to get the fire started in front of him.
Speaker 2: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: Witnesses would later say that it looked like John had
Speaker 1: been quote flash frozen, because he looked like he had
Speaker 1: been fine one moment and completely frozen stiff the next.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, which is not how it really works.
Speaker 1: Generally.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty six, another prospector named John Patterson went
Speaker 1: into the valley and failed to meet up again with
Speaker 1: his partner later at the arranged time and place. His
Speaker 1: partners notified the police, who then went in search of
Speaker 1: the valley, but they didn't find anything until the last
Speaker 1: night of the search. Just as they were about to
Speaker 1: leave the area for good. On the last night of
Speaker 1: the search, local indigenous made their way to the camp
Speaker 1: who specifically warned the search party about quote white figures
Speaker 1: that were out and about that night. They warned them
Speaker 1: that they were down by the river and they were
Speaker 1: in the forest as well, but they had one more warning.
Speaker 1: They said that the party should be extra careful to
Speaker 1: make sure that the white figures didn't see them. That night,
Speaker 1: people in the search party claimed to have heard strange
Speaker 1: noises and wailings coming from the forest that they had
Speaker 1: heard on the previous nights of the search. The very
Speaker 1: next morning, the leader told the party to pack their things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they got out of there before nightfall.
Speaker 2: Get the hell out. Could you imagine that? Oh? I
Speaker 2: don't think that you would get like a wink of
Speaker 2: sleep that night.
Speaker 1: Probably not.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Now to continue on with those white figures. I didn't
Speaker 1: write this down, this part down. I didn't do any
Speaker 1: research on it, but I did hear a couple other
Speaker 1: podcasts talk about it. When I was kind of doing
Speaker 1: some research on this case, there was stories of creatures,
Speaker 1: we'll say, Harry creatures to me, very reminiscent of the
Speaker 1: description of Bigfoot or yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I went to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, being in this valley and they quote were led
Speaker 1: by a pale skinned woman, the Yetties, the Yetties or
Speaker 1: whatever they were. So these, huh figures sound a lot
Speaker 1: like that to me.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I mean honestly, I like there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people out there that believe in that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: in those figures what would you call them, those beings? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that would be the place that they would be.
Speaker 1: Oh you bet right? Oh you fucking bet y'a.
Speaker 2: So, I don't know, I can see it. I maybe
Speaker 2: believe it.
Speaker 1: I Yeah, I'm a believer, let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: So since nineteen oh eight, an established sorry an estimated
Speaker 1: forty four people have either met mysterious deaths or simply
Speaker 1: disappeared in the Nahani Valley and that's since nineteen oh eight,
Speaker 1: starting with the Brothers. Now, maybe they only became part
Speaker 1: of like a name on the list attributed to the
Speaker 1: individuals who passed away in part of the story of
Speaker 1: the Headless Valley or sorry, Valley of Headless Men. But
Speaker 1: also maybe their deaths have really kind of proven the
Speaker 1: dnae Hey people's story of evil spirits, potentially hungry cannibalistic
Speaker 1: giants or potentially even just who knows, the Naha people
Speaker 1: are really still alive and causing all this themselves.
Speaker 2: Oh geez, gone there, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it was a simple warlike tribe that's just
Speaker 1: out there. Who are you know, taking care of unwanted
Speaker 1: visitors in their home. It's a very high possibility. I
Speaker 1: don't know, very high, but it is a possibility.
Speaker 2: And now you can go and take a tour and
Speaker 2: pay big.
Speaker 1: Bucks, well, I mean some of it. Like the truth is,
Speaker 1: we still don't know why people disappeared to start off
Speaker 1: with in the Naha in the Nahani Valley, and we
Speaker 1: probably never will. But patches of the valley and many
Speaker 1: of the surrounding Headless Valley being specifically, have been permanently
Speaker 1: closed to the public. You cannot go there.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's probably fair, but there.
Speaker 1: Are some spots you can go to and it is
Speaker 1: very restricted.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The official statement on why is that they've been closed
Speaker 1: to protect the land from us, but there are many
Speaker 1: people out there who think that it's actually the other
Speaker 1: way around, protecting us from the land.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's almost like a government Like what's the conspiracy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's the one area fifty one right, fifty one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: kind of like that, Like this is restricted, Like, don't
Speaker 2: go there. There's like weird shit going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't go here, but there's nothing secretive happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't go there. Fine, Like if you went there,
Speaker 2: you'd be fine, right, Like, but don't go there or
Speaker 2: we'll shoot you. Huh.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, that's the story of the Valley of the
Speaker 1: Headless Men.
Speaker 2: Is it weird that I still have this like slight
Speaker 2: desire to go there, No.
Speaker 1: Because it sounds like a gorgeous place.
Speaker 2: It does sound unbelievable, but it's also terrifying. I'd be
Speaker 2: scared shareless.
Speaker 1: Now, couple that with the idea of you being able
Speaker 1: to go there and strike it rich overnight. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: gold fever and all that sort of stuff. What is
Speaker 1: Kiwi doing.
Speaker 2: He's we are being possessed right now by something. Yes,
Speaker 2: that happens almost nightly.
Speaker 1: I know's he's acting acting a fool up in here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: calm down, Kiwi, He's good. Probably not, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a wild story that was fun to research.
Speaker 2: It would be interesting to research that one.
Speaker 1: It was. It's a different case because it's like a
Speaker 1: little bit history. Who knows if it is crime being involved.
Speaker 1: I maybe it is animals, but I think the likelihood
Speaker 1: of it being animals zero to none.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have to be some sort of animal
Speaker 2: that we're not like it used to, that we don't
Speaker 2: know of, because yeah, I don't feel like an animal
Speaker 2: would just be like ripping off people's heads and no
Speaker 2: and call it a day now.
Speaker 1: There is a couple things that do want to say
Speaker 1: against this, though, too. One out of forty four potential people.
Speaker 1: Of course, some of those are just people going in
Speaker 1: the river, drowning, getting lost, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Legit survival like gone wrong kind of.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, but that doesn't explain all of it.
Speaker 1: People's missing heads, women acting possessed in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night sort of thing. These white figures. There are
Speaker 1: reported stories, and I'm going to go the whole Sasquatch
Speaker 1: route here for a second. There are reported stories and
Speaker 1: there is some photographic evidence. I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: it's evidence per se, because it doesn't really prove anything.
Speaker 1: It just shows some weird shit, But there's photographic evidence
Speaker 1: of sasquatch suspected sasquatch activity where deer's heads have been
Speaker 1: like twisted and like twisted off in that area, just
Speaker 1: like in Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So I hate.
Speaker 1: That there's photos of deer's head, Like people find just
Speaker 1: a dead deer randomly and its head is like twisted
Speaker 1: and its neck has been like twisted around like five
Speaker 1: or six times, So like, what the fuck's doing that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What would be doing that?
Speaker 1: And I would think that whatever is doing that could
Speaker 1: potentially be the same thing or whatever that removes some
Speaker 1: heads in the Headless Valley potentially.
Speaker 2: And I mean it honestly sounds like a place that
Speaker 2: that would they would just thrive there, right, like yeah,
Speaker 2: watches or whatever.
Speaker 1: So an untouched fucking valley, yeah, that humans cannot get to.
Speaker 1: Even if they can get to, they're not allowed to
Speaker 1: get to. And if they do go there. It's heavily
Speaker 1: restricted and toured through.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like there just be endless food and resources
Speaker 2: for them and they can do their go on the
Speaker 2: merry way.
Speaker 1: One thing that I want to think about here is
Speaker 1: these cave systems up on the side of these canyons.
Speaker 1: Literally no one's ever.
Speaker 2: Been in Oh my gosh, Okay, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Not a single person, not a single human that we
Speaker 1: know of, has ever stepped foot in these caves.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would even like you couldn't pay
Speaker 2: me enough money to go in to one of those caves.
Speaker 1: No, No, what if that is like a civilization in
Speaker 1: there of these creatures are being I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they are dead, probably especially if you go in there,
Speaker 1: but I'm not saying that they're simply like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're digging holes in the side of the mountain. No,
Speaker 1: what if it's just like a lookout into the canyon
Speaker 1: and it goes like miles off into the forest other
Speaker 1: directions and connects to other ones on the other side,
Speaker 1: and like all this weird crazy stuff. There's a big
Speaker 1: old rabbit.
Speaker 2: Hole going down, No kidding. I feel like you could
Speaker 2: probably even spend more time on this and probably you
Speaker 2: could have just gone crazy.
Speaker 1: Now I want to touch on the most realistic situation,
Speaker 1: and it might not be the situation that I think
Speaker 1: most people would really think is the most realistic, but
Speaker 1: it is to me. What if there is an untouched
Speaker 1: tribe of indigenous out there, someone that's a tribe that's
Speaker 1: completely disconnected, that is very much so protecting their land
Speaker 1: from invaders. Because there are untouched tribes in the world today, few,
Speaker 1: but there are. What if there is one in this
Speaker 1: area that we just have never realized is still there?
Speaker 2: H I feel like at this point we would know,
Speaker 2: you would think, but possible, I don't know. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 2: so yeah, it's crazy to think though, like just how
Speaker 2: the technology and everything that we have that there's just
Speaker 2: in the world. Really there's still so much unknown?
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah right, Well look at the oceans for example,
Speaker 1: like we know like what like five percent of our oceans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like and I'm talking like like mapped, that's not
Speaker 1: even like what lives in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It kind of makes you, for one, feel very
Speaker 2: small and then also very terrified.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to say space, you know, yeah, what do
Speaker 1: we have mapped of space? Literally? Nothing, not a lot.
Speaker 1: There's our moon, that's another planet. What's on it? No
Speaker 1: fucking clue, you know?
Speaker 2: Like really, yeah, Ben could do a whole another podcast
Speaker 2: or many episodes on just all this shit. I feel like, oh,
Speaker 2: you get talking about this, like he won't stop if you.
Speaker 1: Give me a drink and get me on these sort
Speaker 1: of weird topic shit, I'll keep going for days.
Speaker 2: For days, I've had to hear a lot of these
Speaker 2: theories and these thoughts.
Speaker 1: Which leads me to say, I should probably shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up here. We should probably let you guys go.
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Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You brought us down another rabbit hole as per usual.
Speaker 1: As per usual, this one was a weird one, but
Speaker 1: a fun one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun all right.
Speaker 1: Well until next episode, which we got. I got another
Speaker 1: one I'm doing here, might not be a strange one
Speaker 1: like this. I think we're going to go a little
Speaker 1: bit more the murder out this time. But until then,
Speaker 1: until then, stay wicked.