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<v Speaker 1>Among the world of true crime, you can find many

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<v Speaker 1>types of stories. There are tales of bloody murder, crude torture,

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<v Speaker 1>inspiring survival, and even the strangest of mysteries. The story

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<v Speaker 1>of the Headless Valley is probably the oldest story we

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<v Speaker 1>have covered to date on this podcast, with roots that

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<v Speaker 1>go back tens of thousands of years, where tribes of

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous worn all those they can against making the journey

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<v Speaker 1>through the virtually untouched Nahani Valley. But as with all warnings,

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<v Speaker 1>there are always people who do not heed the words

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<v Speaker 1>of caution.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>And Grim, a true crime podcast warning. The following podcast

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<v Speaker 1>material in more mature audience listener discretion. You're yawning, Are

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<v Speaker 1>you okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been a rough day.

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<v Speaker 1>Been a rough day. Yeah, it's tough working for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, it kind of is actually, and generally the days

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<v Speaker 2>fly by, but today it dragged the ship on, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I literally feel like it's midnight for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it's well, I mean it's almost nine, but still, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely not midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know why. I think it was because

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing kind of more like financial behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes banking relationship that just like drags you through the mud.

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<v Speaker 1>All that good entrepreneurial fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the stuff that no one talks about that just

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<v Speaker 2>sucks you dry.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the best part about actually being able to

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<v Speaker 1>work at home and being for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, what's that I can have an alcoholic beverage whenever

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<v Speaker 2>I want in my bosses and give a shit, which

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<v Speaker 2>is awesome. It is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you are your own boss, so I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you give a shit in some sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I know, but if I'm like at lunch, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't drink a lot, but like at lunch, if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, I'll have a glass of wine or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe an hour before my day ends, like it doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's fine, fair enough. My boss is totally fine

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<v Speaker 2>with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure my boss would be pissed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I have to say. Yeah, the safety guy

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<v Speaker 2>is not allowed to drink on the job.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, safety guy is not allowed to go to

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<v Speaker 1>work and say, hey, do this shit safely. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go drink a beer over here. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>would fly.

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<v Speaker 2>You would not last long probably not, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I think I would probably be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>more popular safety people every Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we hit a big milestone.

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<v Speaker 1>We did.

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<v Speaker 2>We kind of hated that at last episode, but we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't denounce it.

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<v Speaker 1>We did put it up on our social media.

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<v Speaker 2>On Instagram because it was a real So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we put it on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's right. But but we hit one million downloads?

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was only about seven months ago that

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<v Speaker 1>we celebrated half a million downloads. Yeah, so that is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty incredible thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind blowing so much. Yeah, you guys are freaking amazing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you blow our minds.

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<v Speaker 1>Boom, Yeah, that was my mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gone, it's gone, and Ben's one presenting, so we're screwed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that was the episode today. Hope you enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay wicked. Oh before I do present my mind blown case.

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<v Speaker 1>Those two have nothing to do with each other, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just said it that way anyways, because why not.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a Patreon the thing we had we do

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<v Speaker 1>We had one person sign up on Patreon. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is our shining star this week. Ryan mcgeechee, I really

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<v Speaker 1>hope I said your name right. Thank you Ryan, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure it rhymes with peache.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Ryan mcgeechee, it sounds like you said it right.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan, will let us know. Let us know, Ryan, let us.

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<v Speaker 1>Know if we said it right or wrong. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to assume for now we got it right. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get into this one though, because this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a fun episode. We were just looking back

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<v Speaker 1>at some of the ones I've been doing recently, because

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<v Speaker 1>it was a couple months ago. We're like, we've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing really heavy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>M h.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at the ones I've done specifically, You've covered

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<v Speaker 1>a couple heavy ones, but I specifically have been going

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<v Speaker 1>with some like oddball ones. How did you word it

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<v Speaker 1>weird or strange or.

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<v Speaker 2>Something out of the ball or what did I say?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't We did a pre show on Patreon tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, some different ones. Yeah, and I got another

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<v Speaker 1>different one for you here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Have I done any light hearted ones?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I maybe you need to look back and you maybe

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<v Speaker 2>need to tell me to do a light hearted one.

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<v Speaker 1>You're all about like necrophilia stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, No, I'm not. I've done maybe like a handful

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<v Speaker 2>of that of those kind of cases, Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've done like zero of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. Yeah, I do tend to pick

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<v Speaker 2>heavier cases, so I'll have to maybe try to get

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<v Speaker 2>a light hearted one here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when I pick heavy cases, it's usually graphic stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, pick like disturbing stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And because the heaviest cases that we've done, you

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<v Speaker 2>have done, though, I will say that I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>what was it for? Four days of Hell? Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>Hello Kitty one? Those are horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you've also done some horrific ones too, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese dude what was his name?

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<v Speaker 2>You thought that one was horrific, the celebrity cannibal or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever his name is. But that was disturbing. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>as graphic as it actually it was.

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<v Speaker 1>How is that not graphic?

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<v Speaker 2>We have to move on. I'm spirallyle I've done some

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<v Speaker 2>brutal ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Today, like I said, it's a different one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>another mystery. This is the case known as the Valley

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<v Speaker 1>of the Headless Men. Okay, so this episode takes place

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<v Speaker 1>in the Nahani Valley, which is located in the Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>Northwest Territories.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>We're bringing it home to Canada for this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we said we were overdue.

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<v Speaker 1>And this valley is a large untouched area that is

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<v Speaker 1>basically straight out of a fantasy story. It is currently

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<v Speaker 1>listed as an USECO World Heritage Site. And it's basically

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<v Speaker 1>like there's these fifty sites worldwide that it's like these

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of like a natural wonder there's world sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Okay, I think there was fifty of them

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<v Speaker 1>on this list. This is one of them. And it

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<v Speaker 1>is forty seven four hundred and seventy thousand hectares of

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<v Speaker 1>undisturbed natural area.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yes, holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's filled with massive jagged mountains, large expanse, lush forest,

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<v Speaker 1>rolling rivers, and a hell of a lot of wildlife.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it untouched touched mostly just because it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hard to get to it's dense or you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>going over that.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean we'll be going over that. So it is a

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<v Speaker 1>remote location. It's closest civilization is yellow Knife, which is

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<v Speaker 1>over five hundred kilometers away, which I believe is about

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred miles and I think that's only like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people, So not a very big location next or

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<v Speaker 1>even close to it. So this patch of land is

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<v Speaker 1>quite literally one of the hardest places to visit in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Wow, it's insane. Now it is only accessible

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<v Speaker 1>to fly in by play or travel up river by

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<v Speaker 1>a long journey of boat ride unless one quite literally

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<v Speaker 1>plans on traveling through literal, uncharted, dense boreal forest on foot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is like weeks probably like maybe even like month

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<v Speaker 1>plus of travel like good luck. Yeah, So all in all,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a that nature lover's dream. The South Nahani River

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<v Speaker 1>would take visitors through the four canyons that are over

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand feet high. Whoa, And I could not clarify

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<v Speaker 1>how deep some of these rivers are, but it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like many of these rivers in some of these air Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>this river in many areas is like exceeding like a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand feet deep.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, couldn't clarify it, but that's what it seems. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fucking unfathomable.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, you almost have to wonder if there's what's there

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<v Speaker 2>right like, because you can't explore depths like that in

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<v Speaker 2>a river. So it's like, God, what's living down there.

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<v Speaker 1>And going through these because there's four canyons. They're literally

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<v Speaker 1>labeled like first, second, third, fourth canyon. Going through these canyons,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like sheer rock walls and it's like it's called

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<v Speaker 1>the Canadian Grand Canyon. You can't get off the river bed.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just on a river with thousand feet deep walls

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<v Speaker 1>and thousands of feet of rock cliff sheer up beside it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a visual that's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some of these sections, it's like it gets dark

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like blotting out the sky and shit, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean how dark. I don't know, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it gets very little sunlight. It's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't even I would. At first.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Oh, I want to go explore over

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<v Speaker 2>there if you can, but no, thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some exploration ventures you can take out in

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<v Speaker 1>these areas, but it's very costly and very restricted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they played home to like I said, these

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<v Speaker 1>deep rivers, these massive freaking mountains. They also have plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of deep unexplored caves along these canyon walls, massive waterfalls,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course animals that have had absolutely zero contact

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<v Speaker 1>with humans. So I imagine walking through it'd be like

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<v Speaker 1>freaking snow white with deer just standing next to you,

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<v Speaker 1>zero fear sort of thing. One waterfall in the area

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<v Speaker 1>is actually named Virginia Falls. It stands a massive ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two meters high, which is twice the size of Niagara Falls.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, and is.

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<v Speaker 1>Labeled as one of the most beautiful waterfalls in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, is there photos of that? Yep, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to look that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Its amazing. Do it up, Virginia Falls. It's amazing. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be so lucky to see that in a lifetime. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The waterfall has actually sparked many stories and legends on

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<v Speaker 1>its own. Like you said, it's like what's in there?

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<v Speaker 1>People haven't been able to explore it, right, So some

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<v Speaker 1>of these we'll discuss a little bit later on here,

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<v Speaker 1>But one of them I want to mention is that

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<v Speaker 1>the waterfall actually filled the valley below with so much

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<v Speaker 1>mist that it was like very humid environment down there below,

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<v Speaker 1>like lots of moisture in the air, so much so

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<v Speaker 1>that a rare orchid is actually said to bloom in

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<v Speaker 1>the area.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. See, I was feeling like there's things in this

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, now, nowhere Canadian orchid has ever been proven

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily mean that the story is untrue, because, like

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<v Speaker 1>is it's an untouched landscape. It's a wonder, it's a beauty.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite all this, very few people and almost no

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<v Speaker 2>Like I can say that again, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean jokes aside, there's also another reason why people generally

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<v Speaker 1>back over ten thousand years before the Europeans ever landed

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<v Speaker 1>they passed these stories down. Now they warn anyone trying

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because what did you title this or what did

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<v Speaker 1>Now, their ancient stories tell of an ancient tribe. I

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<v Speaker 1>probably should have used better words description there. Their ancient

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, they tell of this ancient tribe of warriors

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<v Speaker 1>fate that happened to them. Now, the Danehey tribe once

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<v Speaker 1>So, the Naha were an aggressive people. They were strong

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<v Speaker 1>Heey people had ever seen before, and other stories even

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<v Speaker 1>to the Danaee people, they were constantly living in fear

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<v Speaker 1>of the Naha. All too often they would find themselves

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<v Speaker 1>as their village was under attack. Now the Naha would

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, well, yeah, because they're just like weakening

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<v Speaker 2>the tribe every attack, then, hey, that's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly Constantly trying to keep it as weak as possible

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<v Speaker 1>would most likely have been their goal. So the danae

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<v Speaker 1>that they could never really stand a chance. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get their strength up. That is until one day the

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<v Speaker 1>danae Hay finally managed to get a party of warriors

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<v Speaker 1>So under the cover of darkness, the danae Hay made

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<v Speaker 1>their way into the valley and found the Naha village,

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<v Speaker 1>and they stormed into their homes, hoping to end the

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<v Speaker 1>war right then and there. But when they did so,

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<v Speaker 1>they were met with a very baffling discovery. The Naha

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<v Speaker 1>were nowhere to be found. They vanished, just gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be like, eerie, hey, like you're just guns

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<v Speaker 2>of blazing, like going in, they're gonna stir some shit

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<v Speaker 2>and just yeah, no one's there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you finally have this pause. It's just enough

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<v Speaker 1>time to fight back and you go in and now

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<v Speaker 1>you're learning why there's this pause.

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<v Speaker 2>But you'd almost wonder. I feel like I would at

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<v Speaker 2>first think, Okay, where the shit are they? Like, are

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<v Speaker 2>they expecting us to come? Like, holy shit, where are

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<v Speaker 2>they hiding?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're probably almost panicking. Yeah, did they go to

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you'd probably have a lot of things running through

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<v Speaker 1>your mind. Is this an ambush of sorts? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>over in our village right now? Are they waiting the

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<v Speaker 1>bush line to come ambush us as we're in there?

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<v Speaker 1>Like who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was their entire village though, mind you,

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<v Speaker 1>not just their warriors. Their entire village was gone. It

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<v Speaker 1>was deserted. Their tea piece reportedly stood there still tall,

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<v Speaker 1>but not a single person was around looked like everyone

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole village had just gotten up that day,

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<v Speaker 1>dropped everything, and disappeared and just vanished. So both the

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<v Speaker 1>Danaey and the Naha people reportedly already spoke of evil

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<v Speaker 1>spirits that I kind of already alluded to, and also

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<v Speaker 1>giants that lived nearby that stole people away, cooked them

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<v Speaker 1>in the hot springs in the valley.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the Danae warriors found the Naha village completely

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<v Speaker 1>deserted and they were nowhere in sight no matter where

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<v Speaker 1>they looked, they assumed that this was probably their.

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<v Speaker 2>Fate holy which is I don't know, terrifying. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like both the most terrifying out come possible, because then

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, are we next? Like how would you even

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<v Speaker 2>fight that? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Exactly. So they brought this news back to their home,

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<v Speaker 1>to their own village, and after that they never stepped

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<v Speaker 1>foot back in that valley again. They didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>anger whoever or whatever caused the Naha to disappear, and

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, they wanted to avoid the same fate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, or try to at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that valley was after that strictly off limits.

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<v Speaker 1>No one went in there, and still to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>the Danehe people claim that one then sorry, no one

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<v Speaker 1>from the Naha was ever seen again. Wow, But the

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<v Speaker 1>disappearances would only be the first of a very long

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<v Speaker 1>and disturbing history regarding this place.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy okay, this is fucking scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, this is like I said, this is a different,

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<v Speaker 1>different tale here, But I never said it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a bad one. Not interesting still because holy.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck, well freaking whole tribes just disappearing. That's that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's one thing to think of like an

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<v Speaker 1>ancient story of like tribes disappearing, right, And it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, there's stories of that all around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>which there really is. I think the Mayans for example,

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<v Speaker 1>all this sort of stuff, Egyptians, whatever. But now we

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<v Speaker 1>have this history moving forward still thousands of years where

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<v Speaker 1>it continues.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's still like untouched land, like you don't go there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So bring us forward several thousand years into the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth century. Many places all over the United States, North America, Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all expecting or sorry, experiencing what we now call

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<v Speaker 1>the gold Rush. We actually have a town not too

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<v Speaker 1>far from us known as Barkerville.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we love Barkerville.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome there. So if you ever get the chance, head

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<v Speaker 1>to Barkerville. It's an awesome little place. Gold Rush town, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of history. Anyways, I digress. So they're experiencing the

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<v Speaker 1>gold rush. Entire towns and villages sprang up in remote locations,

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<v Speaker 1>previously uninhabited patches of land to support these prospecting miners,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them in search of gold. Right, I think the.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh stretch to get there? What do they always say,

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<v Speaker 2>strike rich, strike it rich?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Think of the prospector from the Rudolph movie,

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<v Speaker 1>realf Rednill's reindeer. There's gold in these mountains and he

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<v Speaker 1>pick nothing. That's the kind of guy we're looking at here.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this time, three prospectors decided to try their

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<v Speaker 1>lock up north now where it had spread of an

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<v Speaker 1>untouched valley up in the Nahani River. And these three

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<v Speaker 1>men knew that they might be able to find gold

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<v Speaker 1>up there, especially being first because it was quote untouched.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen oh four, three brothers, Charlie Frank and

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<v Speaker 1>Willie McLeod set off from Alberta to what we now

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<v Speaker 1>call the two hundred Mile Gorge they intended on heading

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<v Speaker 1>up to Alaska through the Nahani River area, prospecting on

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<v Speaker 1>their way, Alaska being where a lot of people were

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<v Speaker 1>headed for gold, so they are going through trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find gold along the way they struck it perfect. If not,

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<v Speaker 1>they make their way over to Alaska where everyone else is.

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<v Speaker 1>But in doing so, like this Nahani untouched River area

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<v Speaker 1>was a shortcut to the Alaska area.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they not know the stories?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they may have known some, but what we do

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<v Speaker 1>know though, as per short cuts, shortcuts are usually a

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<v Speaker 1>short cut for a reason, because otherwise they would just

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<v Speaker 1>be the normal way to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, they ended up finding themselves following what is

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<v Speaker 1>called the flat River heading upstream into the Nahani Valley,

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring the warnings from the danae Hey people that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they received.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>The McCleod brothers only had the most basic camping gear,

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<v Speaker 1>their guns, their tools for prospecting, and of course, Canada

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<v Speaker 1>being Canada, had a very cold winter, especially apparently particularly

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<v Speaker 1>this winter. Okay, but regardless, they were very experienced outdoorsmen.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew how to handle themselves, They knew how to

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<v Speaker 1>survive the winters, the wilds provide for themselves, you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>They were not going into this blind basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds like they thought they were set. They

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<v Speaker 2>were ready to go one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you look around, look at people like

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<v Speaker 1>around here where we live now, we're smacked AaB in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of British Columbia. There's a lot of outdoorsmen here,

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<v Speaker 1>most of which today they think they're very capable in

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<v Speaker 1>the bush. Put them out there for a week on

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<v Speaker 1>their own, with the kind of gear that these guys had,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd be dead in three days. These guys different story.

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<v Speaker 1>You could easily put them out there with nothing and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd probably have a cabin built in a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, so yeah, very comfortable, very knowledgeable, very experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and we're talking the nineteen hundreds, right, This is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of person you have to be to even

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<v Speaker 1>exist in this type of lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have places like Atmosphere or whatever where you

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<v Speaker 2>could go buy. No, you're five hundred dollars jackets and

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<v Speaker 2>shit to keep you warm.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to have a North faced jacket in

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<v Speaker 1>your Arctic sleeping bag. It's just not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, on their very first day in this area,

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<v Speaker 1>the brothers made their camp and they struck it big

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<v Speaker 1>on the river side, did they. In no time at all,

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<v Speaker 1>the brothers had filled every single spare container they had gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Reportedly, oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And they marked the spot on their maps, knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't possibly carry anymore. They were going to come

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<v Speaker 1>back later.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's exciting as shit for them.

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<v Speaker 1>So they piled it into their boat and set along

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<v Speaker 1>the flat river. Now the flat river is anything but flat,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I said, it's not a short cut. Well,

427
00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.079
<v Speaker 1>it's a shortcut for a reason, because it would be

428
00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the way otherwise, right, right, So the brothers found out

429
00:22:28.039 --> 00:22:31.279
<v Speaker 1>very quickly and the hard way that only a little

430
00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.759
<v Speaker 1>bit downstream from where they were, you know, the river

431
00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:39.480
<v Speaker 1>became much more turbulent, okay, And in doing so, trying

432
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:43.440
<v Speaker 1>to go through these rapids, their boat flipped and destroyed.

433
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.240
<v Speaker 2>H and they lost all their gold, oh you bet you,

434
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

435
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:50.519
<v Speaker 1>They managed to swim ashore picked some of the gear

436
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.720
<v Speaker 1>that they could, but most of their supplies mining gear, gold,

437
00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.599
<v Speaker 1>the boat gone.

438
00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that would just be devastating, wouldn't it.

439
00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So undeterred though, the McLeod brothers made camp again.

440
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>They did have some supplies they managed to save. Now

441
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.160
<v Speaker 1>they now had to build another boat, however, to continue

442
00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.000
<v Speaker 1>on the river and get their way out of there.

443
00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:15.240
<v Speaker 1>And they figured by the time they'd done that, that

444
00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:17.799
<v Speaker 1>have all the gold they need once again if they

445
00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:20.960
<v Speaker 1>mined the river there where they're making camp. Okay, but

446
00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:25.400
<v Speaker 1>this time they weren't so lucky. By the time the

447
00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:28.640
<v Speaker 1>boat was done, the brothers had nothing to show for

448
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>their mining in the air shit, and of course they

449
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.279
<v Speaker 1>were out of their supplies too, So, not wanting to

450
00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:38.960
<v Speaker 1>risk it, McLeod brothers headed home. They needed to get

451
00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.200
<v Speaker 1>out of there, They needed to restock and supply right

452
00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:44.039
<v Speaker 1>and the two of them knew that they wanted head

453
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:46.880
<v Speaker 1>straight back right away. They had a taste for gold

454
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:50.039
<v Speaker 1>and they found it along the river, and gold fever,

455
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:53.160
<v Speaker 1>which was a very real thing, had a grip on.

456
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Them, right. Yeah, I actually remember learning about that at Barkerville.

457
00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, gold fever had people going nutso yeah. So in

458
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.559
<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh five, Frank and Willy, two of the brothers,

459
00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.160
<v Speaker 1>organized another trip to head right back.

460
00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, just two of the brothers, sorry, just two Okay.

461
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:13.480
<v Speaker 1>They took better gear this time, but Charlie, the third brother.

462
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:15.519
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to test his luck again. He's like,

463
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I don't know about this. That was

464
00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty rough waters and stuff. We flipped it last time,

465
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:24.079
<v Speaker 1>you guys, go do your thing. So Charlie out of

466
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:27.079
<v Speaker 1>the picture. Frank and Willy actually brought along a friend

467
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.039
<v Speaker 1>by the name of Robert Weir instead to replace Charlie

468
00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.880
<v Speaker 1>on the adventure or expedition or whatever you would call it. Yep,

469
00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:38.039
<v Speaker 1>So they had left for the border between the dnay

470
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Hey people's land and the valley. They hopped into the

471
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>canoe and started paddling upstream or boat or whatever it

472
00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:50.440
<v Speaker 1>really was. It's kind of unclear, but this was the

473
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>last time anyone saw them alive.

474
00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. So that one brother, I was like,

475
00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:58.200
<v Speaker 2>this is going to pay off for him.

476
00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a a life changing decision. Yeah, a

477
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>life saving decision.

478
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Which is always yeah, you got to

479
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.839
<v Speaker 2>listen to your gut. But that's also he just has

480
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.880
<v Speaker 2>lost to brothers, which is devastating.

481
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.039
<v Speaker 1>It is, and I do want to mention here, like,

482
00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 1>because they were expected to be for gone for quite

483
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.720
<v Speaker 1>some while, it took a long time for anyone to

484
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>really realize that these two brothers were missing.

485
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's fair.

486
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they had been gone for about a year by

487
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the time their brother Charlie began to suspect that something

488
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>was wrong.

489
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 2>That's a really long time.

490
00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, remember this is the nineteen hundreds, so

491
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and assume that they were busy mining gold up there

492
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:44.799
<v Speaker 1>there in the middle of nowhere. A year with a

493
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:47.599
<v Speaker 1>word of them was kind of probably like, I don't know,

494
00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>equivalent of the Kardashians not upgrading their Instagram in one day.

495
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Like that's kind of what I'm assuming here.

496
00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's actually probably a very good comparison.

497
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:05.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's true. I'm sorry, but it was like

498
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:08.359
<v Speaker 1>he was like expecting to hear from them within a year,

499
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of. Okay, so when the year lapsed, he's like, okay,

500
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe something's going on.

501
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 2>It was much harder to get in touch with people

502
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:14.960
<v Speaker 2>back then.

503
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh, for sure, there's no cell phone there. Yeah, there's

504
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:21.839
<v Speaker 1>now no FaceTime. Probably not even pigeons to carry a

505
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:26.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking letter for you. No, so I'm sure there was pigeons,

506
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.799
<v Speaker 1>it just didn't use them in this For I'm gonna

507
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:32.359
<v Speaker 1>go and up into the bush gold mining. I doubt

508
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.039
<v Speaker 1>he brought a fucking pigeon. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,

509
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>But anyways, by this time Charlie had to wait though,

510
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>even though by the time he discovered like, hey, something

511
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>might be going on, he had to wait for the

512
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.559
<v Speaker 1>following summer for it to be safe for him to

513
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 1>follow his brother's trails in search of them.

514
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

515
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 1>So it was about two years almost.

516
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine not even being able to go

517
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:58.400
<v Speaker 2>an investigator, like it's going to be on your mind,

518
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.319
<v Speaker 2>but there's literally nothing you can do nothing. I hate

519
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>that now.

520
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 1>This is also kind of when rumors began to run

521
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 1>rampant about these men striking it rich in a river

522
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.519
<v Speaker 1>full of gold. There was talk in the area of

523
00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the area in the valley that there was gold like

524
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:19.799
<v Speaker 1>no other There was gold everywhere. There was this great,

525
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 1>big waterfall that was like another world. The forest even

526
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>surrounding the waterfall was tropical, with you know, orchids growing

527
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>in the midst.

528
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it felt magical.

529
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:33.680
<v Speaker 1>It does. There was even rumors of like ancient beasts

530
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 1>like mammoths and shit starting really basically like an El

531
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Dorado sort of situation that these two brothers had stumbled on,

532
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.319
<v Speaker 1>so the ancient creatures, tropical all that sort of stuff

533
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>aside the gold was enough to strike people's interest in

534
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the potential of making their own move in the area.

535
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Thinking that these two brothers were up there found all

536
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 1>this gold, there's no need for him to come back

537
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:05.079
<v Speaker 1>living a life in this like golden freaking mine of gold,

538
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.200
<v Speaker 1>if that makes sense, which the.

539
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Brother could have even thought that too, right or potentially,

540
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.240
<v Speaker 2>because I think lots of times back then like yeah,

541
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, your life situations change and there isn't the

542
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 2>means of really letting people know or whatever. So I

543
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 2>feel like that could have been an option too, right,

544
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that the brother was sinking exactly.

545
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>So this sort of thing piqued a lot of other

546
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 1>people's interests, and they were now thinking about making their

547
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 1>own move into the area for search of gold and

548
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>finding this plot of gold that the brothers found too,

549
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and getting their stake and their share in it. So

550
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>back to Charlie though. In nineteen oh eight, he and

551
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a search party of four of other men headed out

552
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>following the river upstream where he and his brother set

553
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>out a few years prior to go for gold. So

554
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>it was on July twenty fourth of nineteen oh eight,

555
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.480
<v Speaker 1>he would find his brother's camp on the river bank

556
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 1>of the South Honey River. It was just around the

557
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Second Canyon area, and here is where he would find

558
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>his brothers as well. Now he instantly knew something terrible

559
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>had happened to his brothers. They looked like they had

560
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 1>been coming out of the tent when whatever happened had

561
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 1>happened to them. Oh no, One of them was found

562
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>halfway in and halfway out of the tent, the other

563
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 1>just in front, his arm still stretched out and reaching

564
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>towards a gun that was leaning against the tree just

565
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:35.359
<v Speaker 1>a few feet away. Both of them were badly decomposed,

566
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 1>and both were missing their heads.

567
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.039
<v Speaker 2>WHOA okay, And.

568
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 1>It was actually only through their clothes and some of

569
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>the personal items left inside the tent that Charlie was

570
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>actually able to identify the remains. They were decomposed fairly badly,

571
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>mind you, And there was no trace of the third man,

572
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Robert Nils.

573
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was just gonna ask where's the friend?

574
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 1>No, he was gone. So with him gone and the

575
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:04.519
<v Speaker 1>only two witnesses to what had happened dead, there was

576
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 1>nothing for Charlie to do but to head out of

577
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the valley and notify the RCMP or the Royal Canadian

578
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Mounted Police for those non Canadian people out there.

579
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Did they think that, did Charlie think it could potentially

580
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 2>have been the friend?

581
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>There is speculation of that. I'll touch on that here shortly. Okay,

582
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 1>So the RCMP also made their way to the scene,

583
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>where they also found a carving on a tree nearby. Now,

584
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 1>this carving said quote, we have found a good prospect.

585
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Neither of the men had any gold on them, and

586
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't any at the campsite. There was no gold

587
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 1>to be found. But yet they rode on a tree.

588
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 1>We found a good prospect.

589
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 2>And there had been the rumors and stuff too, right

590
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>that they had, yes, found.

591
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>In fact a good prospect an El Dorado, if you will. So,

592
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>of course, with the missing gold, these two men killed.

593
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 1>The theory that you just mentioned sprang out that maybe

594
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Robert had killed them stolen the gold. However, another set

595
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 1>of skeletal remains, also missing its head, was found downstream

596
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a few months later. Oh okay, No one could confirm

597
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 1>then it belonged to Robert, but in the end they

598
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.119
<v Speaker 1>attributed the remains to him.

599
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 2>That it was most likely.

600
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, and just like the other two before, no

601
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 1>gold was found. The RCNP then said that all of

602
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 1>the men had died out of starvation and claimed that

603
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>large animals like bears and wolves had then gotten to

604
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 1>the remains and that was why the heads were missing,

605
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and they.

606
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Just went after the heads. That's it. Hey, yeah, apparently

607
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't make any sense.

608
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They will pick your body clean. Bears,

609
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>for example, They'll they'll start with your stomach, they'll over

610
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the organs.

611
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say that because the head isn't

612
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:02.839
<v Speaker 2>the juiciest part of the ba is a terrible description.

613
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 1>But what what an animal will do. They'll bite your neck,

614
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 1>they'll break your neck and paralyze you, and then they'll

615
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 1>start eating your soft underbelly. You'll see that in wildlife constantly.

616
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 1>They go for like the butt and the underbelly. That's

617
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.839
<v Speaker 1>where all the nutrients and the best meat and stuff is.

618
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Why would they go for a skull?

619
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 2>And they don't. But isn't it Sometimes they don't even

620
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>kill you. They'll start eating you alive.

621
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah. If a bear, excuse me, if a

622
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>bear attacks you, wolves attack you, cougar whatever, they don't

623
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>kill you. They just eat you. Yeah. Yeah, there's recordings

624
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>out there of individuals getting attacked and yeah you hear

625
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 1>eating and screaming.

626
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. See, this is why I have a fear

627
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.559
<v Speaker 2>lately of going hiking. Like, I don't know, it's terrifying.

628
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Animals are terrifying.

629
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>They're terrifying.

630
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Nature is fucking scary.

631
00:32:59.000 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>It is scary.

632
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>So I highly doubt that animals are responsible for removing

633
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>a head and consuming only ad.

634
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Only the head. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

635
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>No, they'll pick you clean, they will. They'll eat you,

636
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 1>and a bear, particularly grizzly, will drag you away and

637
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>bury you for later because they like that rancid meat.

638
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Nice. Yeah, the visuals here.

639
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Beautiful right, yeah, can smell it?

640
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

641
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, news quickly spread, adding some legitimacy to the Danehey

642
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 1>story about the evil spirits in the valley. But it

643
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>looked like McCloud's had struck gold in the valley not

644
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 1>once but twice.

645
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they should have had some money or some

646
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:47.359
<v Speaker 2>gold should have.

647
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>But the first time we have a witness, a brother

648
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>who said, yeah, we had a shit ton of gold

649
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>but capsized.

650
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

651
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Second time, around, they rode on a tree. We found

652
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>good prospect, right, So there's there's gold there and there

653
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 1>should be law of it by the sound of it.

654
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:08.880
<v Speaker 1>So that patch river was was named the Headless Creek, sorry,

655
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.599
<v Speaker 1>the headless the Headless Creek, I kind of headless creek.

656
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure you can imagine why the valley renamed

657
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the Headless Valley. And still because of the rumors of gold,

658
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.079
<v Speaker 1>people went out in search of the McLeod's mind aka

659
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the el Dorado of the North.

660
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, nothing will deter people.

661
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Hey, no, people will do fucking anything for money, guarantee.

662
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it also does sound just like almost

663
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 2>heaven on earth to write the description of the Okay,

664
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>some of the descriptions, like the waterfall, the orchid, like

665
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the tropical not the headless men.

666
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, definitely not but yeah, the endless riches of gold. Yeah,

667
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 1>beautiful tropical location in the Canadian North with beautiful beasts

668
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 1>and flowers like, yeah, it sounds like an el Dorado

669
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 1>and that's why it is named the El Dorado of

670
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the North. And I'm I'm sure that picture, coupled with

671
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.599
<v Speaker 1>gold fever would draw the attention of some individuals. Oh yeah,

672
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>which it most certainly did.

673
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, everyone also thinks it's not gonna happen to me.

674
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So let's now, let's talk about some other individuals

675
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 1>that ventured into the area and their fate. So in

676
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:22.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventeen, a prospector named Martin Jorgensen wrote home saying

677
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 1>that he found gold in the Nahani Valley. Martin was

678
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>all in his own and he planned to be out

679
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 1>in the wilderness looking for gold all through the winter.

680
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.159
<v Speaker 1>To survive, he'd built a small wooden cabin, and while

681
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>doing that, that's when he struck gold. He wrote home,

682
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 1>telling his partners to meet up with him when it

683
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>was safe to travel. But when Martin didn't show up

684
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>at the meeting spot he'd specified, they knew something was

685
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>most likely wrong. Fearing the worst, his partner set off

686
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 1>into the valley to look for him and find him.

687
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.079
<v Speaker 2>They did headless.

688
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>He was right beside his cabin, which had been completely

689
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.199
<v Speaker 1>burned down, and he was headless.

690
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

691
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 1>That being the fourth bought body total that had been

692
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 1>found without its head. Prospector assuming because of the third body,

693
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>is not clarified if it was that individual, but it's

694
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.599
<v Speaker 1>attributed to so we can assume. However, though, even still

695
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 1>being the fourth body, headless fourth prospector, the police made

696
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 1>zero connections between Martin and the McLeod brothers at the time.

697
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.880
<v Speaker 1>His head was, of course, never located, and neither was

698
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.679
<v Speaker 1>the gold that he claimed to have found in his

699
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:39.079
<v Speaker 1>letter to his partners, just like the others, head gone, gold.

700
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Gone, Yeah, exactly the.

701
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Same, and no one around to be.

702
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Of witness or anything.

703
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no one to attribute it to. The News about

704
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>this discovery also quickly spread, and the elusive McLeod mine,

705
00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's reignited. Prospectors flooded the valley.

706
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is just so bizarre to me.

707
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.840
<v Speaker 1>It's okay, Yeah, some of them made it out of

708
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 1>the valley alive, completely unharmed.

709
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's good.

710
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Some of them not so lucky.

711
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.079
<v Speaker 2>And did any of them that made it out alive

712
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 2>also make it out with a bunch of gold?

713
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Probably not not that I found. I'm sure some people

714
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>found some gold. I mean they say, like on the

715
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Fraser River, which is just running through our city. If

716
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:27.840
<v Speaker 1>you go gold panning on the Fraser River, you will

717
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.079
<v Speaker 1>find gold, and you will find it every single time.

718
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.320
<v Speaker 1>But the amount is very, very small. Yeah, so it's

719
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.920
<v Speaker 1>probably like, I don't know, if you pan for half

720
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 1>an hour, you might find five cents in gold, but

721
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>you will find gold like every time.

722
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>That's really cool though.

723
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 1>I actually kind of want to go do it one day. Yeah,

724
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 1>But there's there's legality issues with that.

725
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh is there there is?

726
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

727
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I wouldn't even have known that.

728
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I think you'd probably just go to like a spot

729
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>where you're not no one's watching you and just go pant.

730
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>People do that all the time. I think, if you're

731
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>going to pan for an afternoon, I don't think anyone

732
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:02.599
<v Speaker 1>will fucking care.

733
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 2>But probably not.

734
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.639
<v Speaker 1>But there is legal issues with it. That's what they

735
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 1>call it, a claim, a claim to hold the rights

736
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 1>to pull the minerals and stuff out of the river. Okay, yeah, anyways.

737
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.000
<v Speaker 1>The next story is nineteen twenty six. A woman named

738
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Annie Lafferty was part of a hunting party near the

739
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Flat River. Now. When everyone at camp went to sleep

740
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>for that night, she was still with them, but when

741
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>they woke up in the morning, she was gone. The

742
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 1>hunting party spent the day looking for her, but when

743
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't find her, they were unfortunately forced to move

744
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>on without her.

745
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy.

746
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Now they did notify the RCMP, who came out and

747
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>searched the area, but they couldn't find Annie anywhere. Now.

748
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Months later, a Native American called Big Charlie heard about

749
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>the search and went to speak to the place himself.

750
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 1>He claimed to have been near the hunting party that night,

751
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 1>not being part of the same group as them, but

752
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 1>out on his own camping near the same river, heard

753
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the sounds of rocks falling into the river. In the

754
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night, he claims to have seen a

755
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.519
<v Speaker 1>woman out in the forest and heading up the mountain

756
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a little ways away from where he had made camp.

757
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>He said that she had been completely nude and clearly

758
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.159
<v Speaker 1>out of her mind. She'd been crawling on all fours,

759
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 1>knocking rocks into the river as she was climbing up

760
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the mountain. He said that she looked possessed, which is

761
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>why he'd been too afraid to chase after her himself.

762
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I don't think I would. Yeah, that's terrifying.

763
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 1>That was the last suspected sighting of Annie.

764
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Huh wow, Okay.

765
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:40.320
<v Speaker 1>She'd never been found.

766
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

767
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Now, only a year later, in nineteen twenty seven officials

768
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 1>in the area discovered the skeletal remains of a man

769
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 1>just off Bennett Creek. This man went by Yukon Fisher

770
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and the Royal. The RCMP had actually been on the

771
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>lookout for him several years earlier when they found him

772
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>in the valley. Now they had caught wind of him

773
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:03.320
<v Speaker 1>trade gold nuggets for goods along the frontier, but they

774
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>couldn't have expected to find him dead remarkably close to

775
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>where the McLeod brothers had been found about twenty years before.

776
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Only a year after that.

777
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Headless or no, they're not headless anymore.

778
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>No, he wasn't headless. Only a year after that, though,

779
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 1>a prospector called Angus Hall just vanished. He was walking

780
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 1>ahead of his party when they suddenly lost sight of him,

781
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:26.199
<v Speaker 1>and he was never seen again.

782
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

783
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:30.599
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty one, another burnt down cabin was found

784
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 1>with another body inside of it. Phil Powers had been

785
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.559
<v Speaker 1>another prospector out in the search of gold. But this time,

786
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.559
<v Speaker 1>and to great dispute, the RCMP ruled the death to

787
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>be the result of a faulty stove pipe burning his

788
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>cabin down. Now, others claimed that it was clear that

789
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.280
<v Speaker 1>the fire had started on his roof, which would have

790
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 1>given Phil plenty of time to escape had he had

791
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.679
<v Speaker 1>been alive at the time the fire had started, adding

792
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 1>speculation to him being killed prior.

793
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 2>And there's there's too many cases that it's just there's

794
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 2>something going on.

795
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's more to come because in nineteen thirty six,

796
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>two more prospectors, Bill Muholland and Bill Empire, disappeared. Search

797
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 1>of the valley came back with nothing except their cabin,

798
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 1>which had also been completely burnt to the ground.

799
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

800
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.320
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen forty five, Ernest Savered, a minor from Ontario,

801
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.119
<v Speaker 1>was found dead in his sleeping bag. He was headless.

802
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.039
<v Speaker 1>His head was never found, but something else was not

803
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.239
<v Speaker 1>too far from where his body was. Out in the forest.

804
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Trapped by the name of John O'Brien was found sitting

805
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 1>next to his campfire. In his hands was a match,

806
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:43.960
<v Speaker 1>but John was frozen to death before he was able

807
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:45.760
<v Speaker 1>to get the fire started in front of him.

808
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy.

809
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Witnesses would later say that it looked like John had

810
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 1>been quote flash frozen, because he looked like he had

811
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>been fine one moment and completely frozen stiff the next.

812
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, which is not how it really works.

813
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Generally.

814
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

815
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.320
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen forty six, another prospector named John Patterson went

816
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>into the valley and failed to meet up again with

817
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.639
<v Speaker 1>his partner later at the arranged time and place. His

818
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 1>partners notified the police, who then went in search of

819
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 1>the valley, but they didn't find anything until the last

820
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 1>night of the search. Just as they were about to

821
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.239
<v Speaker 1>leave the area for good. On the last night of

822
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.639
<v Speaker 1>the search, local indigenous made their way to the camp

823
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:29.199
<v Speaker 1>who specifically warned the search party about quote white figures

824
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>that were out and about that night. They warned them

825
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:34.679
<v Speaker 1>that they were down by the river and they were

826
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>in the forest as well, but they had one more warning.

827
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 1>They said that the party should be extra careful to

828
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 1>make sure that the white figures didn't see them. That night,

829
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 1>people in the search party claimed to have heard strange

830
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 1>noises and wailings coming from the forest that they had

831
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 1>heard on the previous nights of the search. The very

832
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Speaker 1>next morning, the leader told the party to pack their things. Yeah,

833
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.519
<v Speaker 1>and they got out of there before nightfall.

834
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Get the hell out. Could you imagine that? Oh? I

835
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 2>don't think that you would get like a wink of

836
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 2>sleep that night.

837
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Probably not.

838
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's terrifying.

839
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Now to continue on with those white figures. I didn't

840
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 1>write this down, this part down. I didn't do any

841
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.119
<v Speaker 1>research on it, but I did hear a couple other

842
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.519
<v Speaker 1>podcasts talk about it. When I was kind of doing

843
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:21.320
<v Speaker 1>some research on this case, there was stories of creatures,

844
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll say, Harry creatures to me, very reminiscent of the

845
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:28.079
<v Speaker 1>description of Bigfoot or yet.

846
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's where I went to.

847
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, being in this valley and they quote were led

848
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:39.119
<v Speaker 1>by a pale skinned woman, the Yetties, the Yetties or

849
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:44.159
<v Speaker 1>whatever they were. So these, huh figures sound a lot

850
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like that to me.

851
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, I mean honestly, I like there's a lot

852
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 2>of people out there that believe in that, right, Yeah,

853
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 2>in those figures what would you call them, those beings? Yeah,

854
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>and that would be the place that they would be.

855
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh you bet right? Oh you fucking bet y'a.

856
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>So, I don't know, I can see it. I maybe

857
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:08.840
<v Speaker 2>believe it.

858
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I Yeah, I'm a believer, let's put it that way.

859
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 1>So since nineteen oh eight, an established sorry an estimated

860
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.320
<v Speaker 1>forty four people have either met mysterious deaths or simply

861
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 1>disappeared in the Nahani Valley and that's since nineteen oh eight,

862
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>starting with the Brothers. Now, maybe they only became part

863
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.400
<v Speaker 1>of like a name on the list attributed to the

864
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.119
<v Speaker 1>individuals who passed away in part of the story of

865
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 1>the Headless Valley or sorry, Valley of Headless Men. But

866
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>also maybe their deaths have really kind of proven the

867
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 1>dnae Hey people's story of evil spirits, potentially hungry cannibalistic

868
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Speaker 1>giants or potentially even just who knows, the Naha people

869
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.400
<v Speaker 1>are really still alive and causing all this themselves.

870
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh geez, gone there, yeah.

871
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe it was a simple warlike tribe that's just

872
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.880
<v Speaker 1>out there. Who are you know, taking care of unwanted

873
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>visitors in their home. It's a very high possibility. I

874
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 1>don't know, very high, but it is a possibility.

875
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.079
<v Speaker 2>And now you can go and take a tour and

876
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:16.679
<v Speaker 2>pay big.

877
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Bucks, well, I mean some of it. Like the truth is,

878
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.519
<v Speaker 1>we still don't know why people disappeared to start off

879
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.079
<v Speaker 1>with in the Naha in the Nahani Valley, and we

880
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.920
<v Speaker 1>probably never will. But patches of the valley and many

881
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:33.320
<v Speaker 1>of the surrounding Headless Valley being specifically, have been permanently

882
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:35.280
<v Speaker 1>closed to the public. You cannot go there.

883
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's probably fair, but there.

884
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Are some spots you can go to and it is

885
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 1>very restricted.

886
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Now.

887
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>The official statement on why is that they've been closed

888
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 1>to protect the land from us, but there are many

889
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 1>people out there who think that it's actually the other

890
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 1>way around, protecting us from the land.

891
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's almost like a government Like what's the conspiracy. Yeah,

892
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:03.079
<v Speaker 2>like that's the one area fifty one right, fifty one. Yeah, yeah,

893
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of like that, Like this is restricted, Like, don't

894
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:06.960
<v Speaker 2>go there. There's like weird shit going on.

895
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't go here, but there's nothing secretive happening.

896
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but don't go there. Fine, Like if you went there,

897
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:14.119
<v Speaker 2>you'd be fine, right, Like, but don't go there or

898
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>we'll shoot you. Huh.

899
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.639
<v Speaker 1>So Yeah, that's the story of the Valley of the

900
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Headless Men.

901
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it weird that I still have this like slight

902
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>desire to go there, No.

903
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Because it sounds like a gorgeous place.

904
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 2>It does sound unbelievable, but it's also terrifying. I'd be

905
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 2>scared shareless.

906
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, couple that with the idea of you being able

907
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.119
<v Speaker 1>to go there and strike it rich overnight. Yeah, and

908
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>gold fever and all that sort of stuff. What is

909
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Kiwi doing.

910
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>He's we are being possessed right now by something. Yes,

911
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:44.119
<v Speaker 2>that happens almost nightly.

912
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 1>I know's he's acting acting a fool up in here. Yeah,

913
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 1>calm down, Kiwi, He's good. Probably not, but yeah, that

914
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:54.519
<v Speaker 1>was a wild story that was fun to research.

915
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:57.039
<v Speaker 2>It would be interesting to research that one.

916
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 1>It was. It's a different case because it's like a

917
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 1>little bit history. Who knows if it is crime being involved.

918
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 1>I maybe it is animals, but I think the likelihood

919
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 1>of it being animals zero to none.

920
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would have to be some sort of animal

921
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.079
<v Speaker 2>that we're not like it used to, that we don't

922
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:16.639
<v Speaker 2>know of, because yeah, I don't feel like an animal

923
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:19.320
<v Speaker 2>would just be like ripping off people's heads and no

924
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 2>and call it a day now.

925
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>There is a couple things that do want to say

926
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 1>against this, though, too. One out of forty four potential people.

927
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Of course, some of those are just people going in

928
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:33.159
<v Speaker 1>the river, drowning, getting lost, that sort of stuff.

929
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Legit survival like gone wrong kind of.

930
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, but that doesn't explain all of it.

931
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.760
<v Speaker 1>People's missing heads, women acting possessed in the middle of

932
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the night sort of thing. These white figures. There are

933
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 1>reported stories, and I'm going to go the whole Sasquatch

934
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 1>route here for a second. There are reported stories and

935
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.000
<v Speaker 1>there is some photographic evidence. I'm not going to say

936
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 1>it's evidence per se, because it doesn't really prove anything.

937
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 1>It just shows some weird shit, But there's photographic evidence

938
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of sasquatch suspected sasquatch activity where deer's heads have been

939
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:13.679
<v Speaker 1>like twisted and like twisted off in that area, just

940
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>like in Pacific Northwest.

941
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, So I hate.

942
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 1>That there's photos of deer's head, Like people find just

943
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 1>a dead deer randomly and its head is like twisted

944
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.679
<v Speaker 1>and its neck has been like twisted around like five

945
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.679
<v Speaker 1>or six times, So like, what the fuck's doing that?

946
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What would be doing that?

947
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:33.519
<v Speaker 1>And I would think that whatever is doing that could

948
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:38.159
<v Speaker 1>potentially be the same thing or whatever that removes some

949
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 1>heads in the Headless Valley potentially.

950
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 2>And I mean it honestly sounds like a place that

951
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.079
<v Speaker 2>that would they would just thrive there, right, like yeah,

952
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 2>watches or whatever.

953
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:51.639
<v Speaker 1>So an untouched fucking valley, yeah, that humans cannot get to.

954
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Even if they can get to, they're not allowed to

955
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.320
<v Speaker 1>get to. And if they do go there. It's heavily

956
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:57.800
<v Speaker 1>restricted and toured through.

957
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:02.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, like there just be endless food and resources

958
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 2>for them and they can do their go on the

959
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:05.079
<v Speaker 2>merry way.

960
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:07.679
<v Speaker 1>One thing that I want to think about here is

961
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>these cave systems up on the side of these canyons.

962
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Literally no one's ever.

963
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Been in Oh my gosh, Okay, that's terrifying.

964
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Not a single person, not a single human that we

965
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 1>know of, has ever stepped foot in these caves.

966
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I would even like you couldn't pay

967
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 2>me enough money to go in to one of those caves.

968
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 1>No, No, what if that is like a civilization in

969
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:33.000
<v Speaker 1>there of these creatures are being I'm not saying that

970
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.280
<v Speaker 1>they are dead, probably especially if you go in there,

971
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.559
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not saying that they're simply like, oh, you know,

972
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.840
<v Speaker 1>they're they're digging holes in the side of the mountain. No,

973
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 1>what if it's just like a lookout into the canyon

974
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 1>and it goes like miles off into the forest other

975
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.880
<v Speaker 1>directions and connects to other ones on the other side,

976
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 1>and like all this weird crazy stuff. There's a big

977
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 1>old rabbit.

978
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Hole going down, No kidding. I feel like you could

979
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.920
<v Speaker 2>probably even spend more time on this and probably you

980
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.239
<v Speaker 2>could have just gone crazy.

981
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Now I want to touch on the most realistic situation,

982
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:06.360
<v Speaker 1>and it might not be the situation that I think

983
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>most people would really think is the most realistic, but

984
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 1>it is to me. What if there is an untouched

985
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>tribe of indigenous out there, someone that's a tribe that's

986
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 1>completely disconnected, that is very much so protecting their land

987
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 1>from invaders. Because there are untouched tribes in the world today, few,

988
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 1>but there are. What if there is one in this

989
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>area that we just have never realized is still there?

990
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 2>H I feel like at this point we would know,

991
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 2>you would think, but possible, I don't know. Yeah. Wow,

992
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.239
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, it's crazy to think though, like just how

993
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.639
<v Speaker 2>the technology and everything that we have that there's just

994
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.039
<v Speaker 2>in the world. Really there's still so much unknown?

995
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh hell yeah right, Well look at the oceans for example,

996
00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:00.239
<v Speaker 1>like we know like what like five percent of our oceans. Yeah,

997
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 1>that's like and I'm talking like like mapped, that's not

998
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:05.159
<v Speaker 1>even like what lives in it.

999
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It kind of makes you, for one, feel very

1000
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>small and then also very terrified.

1001
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:17.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not to say space, you know, yeah, what do

1002
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.840
<v Speaker 1>we have mapped of space? Literally? Nothing, not a lot.

1003
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 1>There's our moon, that's another planet. What's on it? No

1004
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.679
<v Speaker 1>fucking clue, you know?

1005
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Like really, yeah, Ben could do a whole another podcast

1006
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 2>or many episodes on just all this shit. I feel like, oh,

1007
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:42.119
<v Speaker 2>you get talking about this, like he won't stop if you.

1008
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Give me a drink and get me on these sort

1009
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.840
<v Speaker 1>of weird topic shit, I'll keep going for days.

1010
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.719
<v Speaker 2>For days, I've had to hear a lot of these

1011
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>theories and these thoughts.

1012
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Which leads me to say, I should probably shut the

1013
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 1>fuck up here. We should probably let you guys go.

1014
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you enjoyed this episode. If you want to check

1015
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.360
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1016
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:03.400
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1017
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.840
<v Speaker 1>joins us on Patreon supports the show, just a little

1018
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.320
<v Speaker 1>bit extra, we appreciate that link is down below in

1019
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.519
<v Speaker 1>the description of this podcast too. Also, as we discovered recently,

1020
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>you can go ahead and comment on Spotify.

1021
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah very cool.

1022
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're going to make sure that there's questions

1023
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:21.679
<v Speaker 1>up there for you on episodes. You can go ahead

1024
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.960
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1025
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 1>free to submit it though. If you request it on Spotify,

1026
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:29.800
<v Speaker 1>We won't be posting that publicly, but we will be

1027
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 1>making not of it in our notebooks absolutely so just

1028
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.039
<v Speaker 1>heads up on that. Yeah, anything else, no, well done,

1029
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Thank you appreciate it.

1030
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.159
<v Speaker 2>You brought us down another rabbit hole as per usual.

1031
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.159
<v Speaker 1>As per usual, this one was a weird one, but

1032
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:42.760
<v Speaker 1>a fun one.

1033
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was fun all right.

1034
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Well until next episode, which we got. I got another

1035
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.480
<v Speaker 1>one I'm doing here, might not be a strange one

1036
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like this. I think we're going to go a little

1037
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 1>bit more the murder out this time. But until then,

1038
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 1>until then, stay wicked.