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<v Speaker 1>Simple questions for one hundred people. Welcome to the experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Bill Carrell, and this is my investigation, my research

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<v Speaker 1>project to gather data from one hundred beautiful human beings

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<v Speaker 1>for the sole purpose just to see what happens actually

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<v Speaker 1>across the interviews. Now, the questions are fixed and all

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<v Speaker 1>the interviews will remain consistent, and the variable will be

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<v Speaker 1>the actual participants themselves and their answers. So Marcus says,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm having you come sit on my porch to

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<v Speaker 1>share your thoughts so I can learn about people. We're

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to what we're going to learn when we're done,

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<v Speaker 1>and very interested in the people in the process and

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<v Speaker 1>in your particular story. So we'll get to know our

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<v Speaker 1>guest here a little bit through the interview. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>dive in. What is your full name?

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Mark Alan Stewart.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Alan Stewart. Tell me a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I first and last given named Mark Stewart. I

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<v Speaker 2>was in the music business. I'm still am in the

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<v Speaker 2>music business for one of my pursuits. And if I

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<v Speaker 2>add the word Alan in the middle of it, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>much more googleable. So that's why I've now gone the

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<v Speaker 2>last four years. To Mark Allan Stewart, it sounds so

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<v Speaker 2>much more officious.

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<v Speaker 1>A marketing genius. I love it. Good for you self.

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<v Speaker 1>Promotion is horrible, but somebody's got to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it right.

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<v Speaker 1>If we don't, who will exactly? So, Mark, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite nickname that most people don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I Tiger my dad when I when I

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<v Speaker 2>was very young, I was a really small, sickly, frail

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<v Speaker 2>and my dad called me tiger. He was an industrial psychologist,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was setting my inner compass at my inner

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<v Speaker 2>mojo when I was a little kid. So because I

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<v Speaker 2>was a little and fronnie in frail, he called me

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<v Speaker 2>tiger and I kind of grew into it. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. So I started as a frail, little, tiny,

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<v Speaker 2>sickly kid. I ended up when I was playing football

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<v Speaker 2>in college. I was six three, two hundred and seventy pounds,

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<v Speaker 2>So I kind of grew into that tiger nomenclature. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little kid, scrawny kid when I was small,

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<v Speaker 2>and dad nicknamed me tiger.

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<v Speaker 1>So can you say a little bit more about that relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously you transformed from like a I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you call it like a caterpillar into a butterfly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my dad was a pure artist in business. As

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<v Speaker 2>I said, he was a business psychologist, and I loved

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<v Speaker 2>him dearly. He passed when I was in school, So

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up dreaming to be part of his company

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<v Speaker 2>and and and unfortunately didn't have happen to have that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was my best friend growing up. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a horribly social kid. I spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 2>with my family. My dad was was was he had

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<v Speaker 2>a congenital heart disease, so he was he was sick

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<v Speaker 2>of a bunch, and so he and I just spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time together and we were just absolute besties.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he could call me tiger, he could call

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<v Speaker 2>me literally, he could call me whoever he wanted. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just cherished those those times together and and not

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<v Speaker 2>in day goes by that I don't think about the

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<v Speaker 2>positive impact he made in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really great. Now, did you have a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a pet name for him or was it just dad?

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<v Speaker 2>Dad? That that was that? I didn't I think he

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<v Speaker 2>had a first name. I think it was Kent, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was Dad that that was like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Holy grail term.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. So interesting start to life and quite

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<v Speaker 1>a trip along the way. When did you first notice

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<v Speaker 1>what color your hair was?

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<v Speaker 2>I met? It's fun. I referenced it that I went

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<v Speaker 2>to college at Rice, played football there and in If

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<v Speaker 2>you want a date, I can't give you an exact date,

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<v Speaker 2>but August nineteen eighty I was a freshman in college

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<v Speaker 2>and the football team had to fill out a media

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<v Speaker 2>guide questionnaire and one of the questions they had to

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<v Speaker 2>height and weight because of the physical exam. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the questions was hair color. So that's my recollection of

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I realized, indeed, I do have colored hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Before that, you really didn't give a good rap.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you never thought about it? But that questionnaire maybe

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<v Speaker 2>introspective about my follicles?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's it obviously made an impact in your memory,

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<v Speaker 1>as you can go right back to that month in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember because we're in August. September now just came

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<v Speaker 2>out of August, and every year that time, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>every one of those years I played football in Houston, Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>outdoors on AstroTurf in one hundred and ten degree weather.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of that experience that has been literally

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<v Speaker 2>burned into my mind. And I just remember those press days.

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<v Speaker 2>We had basically a day off of practice when we

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<v Speaker 2>had the media day in press Day and so forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just a great respite. And so there

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot of rich fund memories about that day

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<v Speaker 2>that we didn't try to knock each other's heads off.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for you. I'm going to stay on this thread

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute. You're kind of a blessed guy. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>out of three hundred and some odd universities Division one

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<v Speaker 1>playing football, you had an extremely great underclass for quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>all across the United States. Eighty three would give us

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<v Speaker 1>some of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Without without question. And so Rice, which was the smallest

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<v Speaker 2>Division one college at the time, part of the Southwest Conference,

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<v Speaker 2>So we had four hundre undergraduate four thousand undergraduate kids,

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<v Speaker 2>smallest D one school and we were in our conference

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<v Speaker 2>was University of Texas SMU, which back then the s

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<v Speaker 2>m U was, you know, was the net. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the team and Eric Dickerson, Craig James that we played

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<v Speaker 2>to get So so we played all of these Mamath schools,

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<v Speaker 2>but they really gave us a break for the two

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<v Speaker 2>preseason games because we only had to play LSU and

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<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma for preseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are good tune ups. I mean, their fans eat

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<v Speaker 1>their meat without cooking it. I'm telling you all that question,

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<v Speaker 1>well that was question about it. I mean, when you

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<v Speaker 1>do barbecue in Texas, it's either cooked for twenty hours

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<v Speaker 1>or it's one and done. You know, you're right, what

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<v Speaker 1>a great place to have spent your your college career.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know you've got all this under your belt,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you're you're a few weeks older. What did

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<v Speaker 1>you say is your favorite thing to do to intentionally

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<v Speaker 1>waste time?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm a I'm a realist, but I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>an optimist. I have uh own three companies and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on two boards, so I really try to maximize my time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm a big believer in entertainment. Uh and one

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<v Speaker 2>of my one of my companies is an entertainment company.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if it's non business or non family related,

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<v Speaker 2>I love to break away to and play video games.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a video gamer, probably, as you said a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks in the North, part of the average age

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<v Speaker 2>group for video game players. But I kind of grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in the video game industry and early on in

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<v Speaker 2>in in Sega Nintendo days, and I to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>every day I squeak out a little time to relax

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<v Speaker 2>the left end right side of my brains and play

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<v Speaker 2>video games.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you play any of the classics or are you

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<v Speaker 1>playing more modern stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? All modern? I let's just say that I've killed

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<v Speaker 2>myself some zombies over the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that, And then there's always Fortnite and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Minecraft and some of the other ones. My grandsons who

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<v Speaker 1>are eleven and thirteen, the younger one, when he was

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<v Speaker 1>eight years old, was competing at a national level for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while. Yeah, I mean it was really it

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<v Speaker 1>really had nothing to do with how old you were.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to be a really good video game player,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, right.

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<v Speaker 2>No doubt, you just have that have that commitment, drive

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<v Speaker 2>and focus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. So that's a really good thing to

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<v Speaker 1>do to intentionally waste time. And do you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that gives you a competitive edge?

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<v Speaker 2>I do because it's such such a divergence from the

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<v Speaker 2>other things I do during the day and has nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with it. I literally am assembling weaponry and

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<v Speaker 2>saving the planet by killing zombies. I that that's very

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<v Speaker 2>distinct from the consulting world that I have or the

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<v Speaker 2>the music and feel world that I have. So because

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<v Speaker 2>because I really can recharge and relax and separate from

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<v Speaker 2>the day to day activities of my traditional business by

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<v Speaker 2>playing video game, really detaching, really recharging and enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 2>I truly I have a lot of fun with it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it doesn't That's why I say I'm an

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<v Speaker 2>optimist and a realist, because it really doesn't benefit me

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<v Speaker 2>in any other way other than I have fun. And

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<v Speaker 2>fun is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And the neat part of it is is when people

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about being mindful, You're one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy percent mindful, and in the middle of a battle, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to save the world. Bill, I'm not fooling

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<v Speaker 1>around here. We're talking about that. Somebody has to right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mark, this is this is fascinating. What's your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>movie to watch alone?

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<v Speaker 2>I reference my dad growing up two movies. We went

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<v Speaker 2>to two movies on Saturday and one movie Sunday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>My whole life. I love movies. That's why I ended

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<v Speaker 2>up John Carpenter's second film he had a film called

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Star, which was actually it was a college project,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was traditionally released. But his second film, his

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<v Speaker 2>first independent film, was called Assault on Precing thirteen that

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<v Speaker 2>he did in nineteen seventy six, and it was made

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<v Speaker 2>two years before Halloween. And it's this incredible. The third

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<v Speaker 2>floor of our house is half of it is my office.

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<v Speaker 2>You have half is my man cave with the TV

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth. And I go in there by myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I watch Assault on Precing thirteen. It's this.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you familiar with the film, I believe I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm remembering some young actors that became really big after that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's basically an anti hero hero western cowboy shoot

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<v Speaker 2>him Up. Set in urban Los Angeles circa nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were two oh my god, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>super low budget but pure John Carpenter, John Carbon who

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<v Speaker 2>did the music, and people know him as a great director,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was a He and Debba Hill as partner,

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievable musicians. But there was a there was a two

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievable character actors that were actually had starring roles. A

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<v Speaker 2>god name of Austin Stoker who played the police lieutenant

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<v Speaker 2>but this unbelievable unsung hero of an actor called Darwin

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<v Speaker 2>Jostin who played the anti hero hero Napoleon Wilson, and

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<v Speaker 2>just that name, and he was such a quirky, interesting story.

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<v Speaker 2>But this anti hero hero Napoleon Wilson is just he

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<v Speaker 2>looked a little bit like Robert Blake, the actor did.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just a great Like I said, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a western that could have been played in the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighties, but John Carpenter decided to film it in

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<v Speaker 2>urban contemporary in nineteen seventy six. Just a really gritty,

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<v Speaker 2>fun movie that I love watching by myself. I've probably

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<v Speaker 2>bill seen it one hundred times.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the film. I watched it three days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I was writing these questions, I knew

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be interviewing you someday. Thank you for sharing all that.

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<v Speaker 1>I now have something on my to do list. I've

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because they've remade it with Ethan Hawke in

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<v Speaker 2>that remake. I've watched other remakes. I've watched you. John

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<v Speaker 2>of the thing. I've watched that. But Assault them research thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I just said to myself, it can't be any better.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be different, it's not I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>I completely agree with you. There are some things that

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because I just spread on one of my

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<v Speaker 2>of great seventies movies you've never heard of, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>It's on two B, it's on Netflix, it's on Prime,

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<v Speaker 2>an hour and twenty six minute favor and rewatch the

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<v Speaker 1>I will do so, and I will let you know

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<v Speaker 2>Please.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So now we can move into the meat and

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<v Speaker 1>potatoes of this interview. If you were to have an

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<v Speaker 1>and what colors would its uniform be?

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<v Speaker 2>Superpower? Definitely, telekinesis without question. My dad got his thesis

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<v Speaker 2>at Stanford parapsychology and telekinesis. Now he he never made

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<v Speaker 2>something move with his mind, but he got it. But

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<v Speaker 2>thought that that was the coolest superpower is is tapping

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<v Speaker 2>the part of the mind? What what what do we what?

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<v Speaker 2>What do we hear? We only use two percent or

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<v Speaker 2>you tap into that other ninety eight percent, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to move stuff and that would be really because you

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<v Speaker 2>So so that would that might superpower? Telekinesis no question. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Colors would be silver and black. Now, not black and

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<v Speaker 2>silver like venom or like the ponament, but but silver

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<v Speaker 2>with highlights of black.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, not not not the not the raiders,

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly? I got you. The opposite of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you have a cape, a fabulous question. I'm going capeless.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill got a gutsy move, but I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going I'm going capless. It's just gonna get get

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<v Speaker 2>the way of all that telekinesis. So I'm gonna I'm passing.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, now you've got this marvelous uniform. You're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a mask or anything, or you're just gonna be like

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be like a like a Lone Ranger type mask.

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<v Speaker 2>If they know you, they'll figure it out it's you.

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<v Speaker 2>But still you have it because it's a really great accent.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that the people in the nineteen fifties

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<v Speaker 1>believed that the people in the eighteen eighties were that stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, right exactly? All right, So now you've got

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<v Speaker 1>this tool, what are you gonna do for it? Or

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<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Well, first of all, I'm gonna go on all

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<v Speaker 2>of the late night talk shows and prove of the

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<v Speaker 2>amazing Andy wrong that no, you actually can move things

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<v Speaker 2>with your mind, because if you remember him, he was

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<v Speaker 2>he was always thwarting Uri Geller and all of those

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<v Speaker 2>other guys, So definitely make the talk show circuit. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I think that that I would try to

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<v Speaker 2>utilize it in some form of medicine or medical procedure

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<v Speaker 2>to execute medical procedures in a bloodless, cutless way that

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<v Speaker 2>would dramatically help and improve the health of an individual

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<v Speaker 2>without the evasiveness of tearing into the human body. Then

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<v Speaker 2>once that's cracked, I'd profer it and teach it to

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<v Speaker 1>I like that, you know, And I can do that

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<v Speaker 1>because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can do it because I have telekinesis, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>project it into their minds.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, there's probably nothing you couldn't do. You know, it's there.

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<v Speaker 1>We're approaching eight billion, and you'd have to take a

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<v Speaker 1>few at a time, I think, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>But still there's a lot of brain cells up there.

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<v Speaker 2>We can knock it out to it at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. All right, So now what did you

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<v Speaker 1>want to What did you want to do and grow

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<v Speaker 1>up to be when you were five years old?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of kids loved dinosaurs, and I

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<v Speaker 2>originally liked dinosaurs, but what I liked were the people

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<v Speaker 2>studying dinosaurs. I thought superheroes were the archaeologists and there

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<v Speaker 2>was this archaeologist. He died I believe in nineteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two or seventy four, but his name was Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>Leaky and Lewis Leaky and his claim to archaeological fame

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<v Speaker 2>was a great archaeological digs in the Oldowa Gorge in

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<v Speaker 2>Africa and some of the earliest humanoids did the access.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't a rock star. He wasn't Indiana Jones that

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<v Speaker 2>you remember the TV show Nova that would showcase scientists

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, and he was on the first year of

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<v Speaker 2>Nova was nineteen seventy four and he was, so he

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<v Speaker 2>must have passed in seventy two. Novod's in seventy four

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<v Speaker 2>and he was one of the very first exposes that

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<v Speaker 2>they did. And he spoke with this great cross between

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<v Speaker 2>a British and South African accent, and he did look

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<v Speaker 2>the party, had gray hair and you know the tunic outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>And his wife was his partner and they were always

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<v Speaker 2>on digs together. But the commitment and depth and seriousness

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<v Speaker 2>of his communication style and pathway about what he was

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<v Speaker 2>doing and why it was important, and he didn't he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like a cheerleader raw raw but the intensity again

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<v Speaker 2>reinforcing how important the work he was doing was to

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<v Speaker 2>us understanding ourselves today. I'm a five year old kid

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there watching this from five to probably twenty, just

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<v Speaker 2>really fascinated by the idea and the concept of learning

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<v Speaker 2>about ourselves today by learning about our history before today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I guess once you start scratching the surface

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<v Speaker 1>on that, the more you start to know, the more

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<v Speaker 1>you realize you don't know. And when you ignite that passion,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a lifetime hobby, You've got a lifetime endeavor,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe a career.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows, And that really defines who I am as

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<v Speaker 2>a business person today. Is that true commitment to continue improvement?

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<v Speaker 2>I read, I research. I used to be the CEO

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<v Speaker 2>of the Collecting Channel. I collect like twenty different categories,

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<v Speaker 2>and I studied a lot about the collecting mentality of

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<v Speaker 2>people who collect stuff. And I really have this, this

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<v Speaker 2>commitment to myself to continue to learn, to get better,

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<v Speaker 2>to get smarter, to help people, and populating our mind

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<v Speaker 2>with information is just a great speedway to that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Completely agree with you. I think you know on growth,

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing growth and development, and tell you until you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>move on to the next level. Is always about getting

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<v Speaker 1>a better question. It's always about setting aside what you

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<v Speaker 1>think you know in favor of what you're what you're

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so funny that you say that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll I will tork it a bit to say that that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I find Bill is that I respect

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<v Speaker 2>people's answers to questions, but I've come to the point

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<v Speaker 2>of being more intrigued by their questions rather than the

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<v Speaker 2>answers of questions. And you know, and that within it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pursuit of knowledge and thought. And yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>walk why I get excited, I'll walk out of this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation with you, and I'm going to be a better

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<v Speaker 2>smarter person because You've populated my mind with different points

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<v Speaker 2>of view and vectors and perspectives that I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>before I had this call. And I wouldn't have if

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have this call.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a true story. And when we when we stepped

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<v Speaker 1>back from life a little bit and you start to

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<v Speaker 1>realize that all growth comes from having a better question,

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<v Speaker 1>then it has to be who are you in conversation with?

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to up your game with the folks that

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<v Speaker 1>point of being stimulated to better.

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<v Speaker 2>Questions, right, absolutely, well sone.

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<v Speaker 1>So just you know, to kind of close off this

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<v Speaker 1>this question, what did you think of Jurassic Park.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it. I loved it. I completely thought that

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<v Speaker 2>that that they captured something completely new. I just went

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<v Speaker 2>when when when the lead archaeologist puts his hands on

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<v Speaker 2>on his on his knees, as as the Alisaurus will

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<v Speaker 2>walk by at the very beginning of the film, when

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Dern had that affinity for the triceratops that was

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<v Speaker 2>that had eaten the wrong berries and and she had

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<v Speaker 2>the deep sigh we all kind of felt all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought. I thought it was a fabulous film visually

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<v Speaker 2>story wise great, but I thought the connectivity of the characters,

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<v Speaker 2>their dimensionality. You know, you had Jeff Goldbloom, which was

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<v Speaker 2>that the bloodsucking lawyer who was the only one that

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to support Attinburgh. It was just I loved it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love obviously envious because I wish I could

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<v Speaker 2>go to Jurassic Park this afternoon, because I wouldn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>would have missed this call. But I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>a fabulous that one of the best best films of

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<v Speaker 2>its type ever. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like eight and a half seconds long,

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<v Speaker 1>looking down into the valley with all of the animals

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<v Speaker 1>trooping across. I got goose, I get goosebumps now about that? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that had never been able to be done before. It

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<v Speaker 1>costs them millions of dollars and months worth of rendering

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<v Speaker 1>time sure to make that happen. And uh, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's the way I remember the story. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like the Matrix where they introduced the new uh camera

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<v Speaker 1>So what are that kind of thinking is just out

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it is stark to to to for the

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<v Speaker 2>all special effects today and and not not just for

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<v Speaker 2>for CBS, but but and CBS chacter properties, but for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>And they they did the Wolverine, uh, Deadpool on special effects,

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<v Speaker 2>they did they did Jurassic Park that they really have

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<v Speaker 2>in a Marvel film and you see thousands of digital

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<v Speaker 2>artists because you say, you know, some of it is

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<v Speaker 2>and with AI, we're getting faster and quicker at it

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<v Speaker 2>being able to produce that. But the reality of it

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<v Speaker 2>is to have that artistry and that beautiful visual I appeal,

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. It takes time because it isn't it

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<v Speaker 2>isn't just digital rendering. It really is art and digital production.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you. It takes the thinking to

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<v Speaker 1>conceive the outcomes of of what you're being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what's being generated in c g I, and be able

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<v Speaker 1>to tell AI that this is what I'm looking for,

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<v Speaker 1>and then to use it enough times to get the

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<v Speaker 1>one that you choose. You know, pretty cool to be alive, right, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Doubt, absolutely, Eye candy is good.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mark, what's what would you say your greatest accomplishment is.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not say my daughter, because she is an

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<v Speaker 2>individual and she's done it herself and heard her mom.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the realization that I'm as comfortable with the

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<v Speaker 2>two things that I'm good at in business as I

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<v Speaker 2>am comfortable with the ninety nine thousand things I'm cruddy

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<v Speaker 2>at in business.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's health, healthy and adult.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I something sounding, Yes, something had to be adult

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<v Speaker 2>in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So what is that translated into for you? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>being good at those two things, being totally satisfied that

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<v Speaker 1>those are the two good things that you're that you're

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<v Speaker 1>good at, and it gives you a chance to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe play in the other areas and be a

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<v Speaker 1>failure at it. And it doesn't take any power from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I you know what, what I the one of

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest blessings I have at this point in my

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<v Speaker 2>career is that I'm a strategist. That's what I That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I do, and so I take really complex situations,

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<v Speaker 2>I simplify them, I normalize them, and I optimize them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's it. And and and and that that that

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<v Speaker 2>that is one of the two strengths that I had.

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<v Speaker 2>The other strength is out of years of discipline of

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<v Speaker 2>being a consultant. My number my number one, and a

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<v Speaker 2>realization within the realization is my number one. Any consultants

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<v Speaker 2>number one value to their client is objectivity. But the

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<v Speaker 2>every second you're with your client, you lose by definition, objectivity.

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<v Speaker 2>And and if you if there comes a time where

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<v Speaker 2>you cross that line and you've lost objectivity, you either

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<v Speaker 2>need to join that company full time or stop being

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<v Speaker 2>a consultant because you've lost the number one value bring down,

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<v Speaker 2>which is objectivity. So so the the the two strengths

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<v Speaker 2>objectivity and strategy allows me to focus on those two

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<v Speaker 2>things and and surround myself with people that are infinitely

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<v Speaker 2>better at the other components of business execution and and

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<v Speaker 2>and and and operations, and surround myself with people that

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<v Speaker 2>I used to do them and I wasn't very good

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<v Speaker 2>at it and I didn't like it. And now I

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<v Speaker 2>have the you know, the comfort to say, here's my

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<v Speaker 2>two lanes and everything else. I'm just going to surround

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<v Speaker 2>myself with really smart, wonderful, beautiful people that thrive at it,

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<v Speaker 2>that do it well. Here's my lane, and I'm super

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable with the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a great way to go. And as

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, it's more cost effective, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot less lost energy, and people just have more fun really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, And because of that, what I found

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<v Speaker 2>out within myself is the minute I made that realization,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that realization converted into a commitment, then it

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<v Speaker 2>turned into a regiment, it turned into a routine, and

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<v Speaker 2>therefore I reduced my waste and chaos of time and

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<v Speaker 2>focus on doing things that I wasn't very good at

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<v Speaker 2>and I was trying for whatever reason, and inwardly focus

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<v Speaker 2>that to those two pillars, and it allowed those two

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<v Speaker 2>pillars to become stronger because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks, Yeah, it's your power point and it is no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt what you're known for.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>So now that you've got all of this that you're

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<v Speaker 1>leaning on very comfortably, who's your favorite person to listen to?

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<v Speaker 2>But voice tonality standpoint, which I know isn't your question.

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<v Speaker 2>Vincent Price. I love the fact that Vincent Price grew

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<v Speaker 2>was born and grew up in Saint Louis and had

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<v Speaker 2>a British accent in his whole life and nobody ever

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<v Speaker 2>said anything about it. But I don't always agree with him,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe fifty percent of the time, but I love the

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<v Speaker 2>way Elon Musk stirs things up and and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>he's a very eloquent and thoughtful speaker. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what is communication two things content delivery, what we say,

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<v Speaker 2>and how we say it. So, yeah, he does. He

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<v Speaker 2>has good delivery, but the content and the the scope

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<v Speaker 2>of the topics that he's talking about some trivial but

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<v Speaker 2>import some macro, socioeconomic and dramatically important. But he's not

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to stir things up at an unbelievably high level.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, being the richest guy in a planet helps,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not what That's not what empowers him. What

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<v Speaker 2>empowers him is an inner strength and comfort. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I really like to listen to Elon Musk what he says,

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<v Speaker 2>and he always the best part of his communication style

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<v Speaker 2>is he always delivers an opinion with rationale, not just opinion. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody has an opinion, but the rationale opens up the

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<v Speaker 2>mind to have a greater level of understanding, maybe not acceptance,

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<v Speaker 2>but of an understanding because you understand the costal factors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you. I think he believed brings

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<v Speaker 1>an engineer's design discipline to constructing a sentence out of

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<v Speaker 1>thin air. You can actually see him forming the words,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, above his head like a run out. And

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<v Speaker 1>I had a college professor, and then there was the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of a company that I worked for when I

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<v Speaker 1>was very young, back in my twenties and early thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>and they did the exact same thing. They would They

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<v Speaker 1>would create the sentence in a language that was listenable

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<v Speaker 1>and understandable by every last person in the room, and

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<v Speaker 1>they made sure they were leaving no one behind and

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<v Speaker 1>no one was getting bored. And I think he's a

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<v Speaker 1>master at doing that sort of thing, plus coming up

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<v Speaker 1>with really kind of disruptive and innovative ideas on the fly.

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<v Speaker 1>He just seems to like generate that for a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't sleep very much very often, let alone very much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's remarkable to me. And he always performs at an

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<v Speaker 1>extremely high level. And he never backs down, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>I will change his mind, but he never backs down.

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<v Speaker 2>And he and he and he goes on Joe Rogan

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes to the World Cup and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>he's a regular person. He just happens to get there

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<v Speaker 2>on a private plane. But he it's not like he's

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<v Speaker 2>cloistered in Ivory Tower anywhere he lives life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you, Mark, And I've said for

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<v Speaker 1>a dozen years or so, without referencing Elon, but with

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<v Speaker 1>other people I've said, I just dare you to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me that people that are on the spectrum are handicapped.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not. Okay, They're dealing at a different frequency

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<v Speaker 1>than you and I are. And I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to find our frequency before we find theirs,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they do, get out of the way, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing thing to watch without question. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>I share obviously your passion in several of these different

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<v Speaker 1>areas and even the silver and black. But so complete

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<v Speaker 1>this sentence for me, if you will. When I grow up,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to never forget the whimsy and wonder

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<v Speaker 2>of being a kid, the fantasy to make leave there

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<v Speaker 2>the true essence of uninhibited creation, which hopefully will continue

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<v Speaker 2>to drive bewilderment and innovation throughout our life. But never

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<v Speaker 2>forget that wonder and whimsy of of of make believe

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<v Speaker 2>in makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I'm going to translate back to you

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<v Speaker 1>for a moment. What I'm hearing is that the childlike

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<v Speaker 1>innate curiosity that never regards something that's not working as

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. They always look at it as something to

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<v Speaker 1>get better at and something to kind of understand is

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<v Speaker 1>something to try and walk away with more than they

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<v Speaker 1>started with. Every single time they fail until we tell

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<v Speaker 1>them that failing is a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you you your paraphrase definitely is in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>In vector, you used a term I thought maybe about

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<v Speaker 2>the design I thought you were going to say design thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened to design thinking. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the smartest business approach on the planet. We kind of

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<v Speaker 2>lost our way with it during the pandemic because we

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<v Speaker 2>lost our way with everything on the pandemic. But I

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<v Speaker 2>truly believe that adopting a design taking mentality, the concept

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<v Speaker 2>and construct of failure doesn't exist because it truly is

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<v Speaker 2>continue improvement, growth and evolution, bringing insight and intelligence into

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<v Speaker 2>into the infrastructure, creation, adapting, evolving, growing, learning and expanding,

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<v Speaker 2>and and that that that's that's that's really the way

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<v Speaker 2>that I that I operate our business structure on all

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<v Speaker 2>the companies.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. And having come up through manufacturing when

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<v Speaker 1>we were you know, getting uh you know, uh, our

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<v Speaker 1>our statistical quality control brought back to us from the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese after they transformed their country ten years ahead of us. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>when we started learning about combine and uh you know better,

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<v Speaker 1>uh better this time than last kind of a philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>We're always looking for some kind of a marginal improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>The design thinking was planted out ahead of time, so

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<v Speaker 1>you at least know when to stop, you know, right,

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<v Speaker 1>If you keep going and you don't know that you've

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<v Speaker 1>hit a failure point, every energy that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>put put into the thing from here on is just

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<v Speaker 1>wasted time. You have to have these you know, time

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<v Speaker 1>fences and gates that you go through in order to

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<v Speaker 1>say did we accomplish what we thought we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to did we learn anything from that? Now? What can

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<v Speaker 1>we do in the next step sort of a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>And that way you know you're being responsible, right and accountable?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well, that question, it's so funny. You put a

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<v Speaker 2>spile on my face because and I found it interesting

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<v Speaker 2>that part of your question isn't what you do or

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<v Speaker 2>what your career has been or what because it's really academic,

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<v Speaker 2>and I understand that's not part part of the study.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do have to tell you that I started

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<v Speaker 2>my career at prok and Gamble, and I was there

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<v Speaker 2>as a child of Deming and Total Quality There you

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<v Speaker 2>go as a as a as a global initiative, and

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<v Speaker 2>we were all impacted by TQM and total quality manufacturing

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<v Speaker 2>and total quality is a is a as a mindset

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<v Speaker 2>and again not unlike design thinking that lost its way

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<v Speaker 2>to what to whatever, unbelievably important foundation points that I

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<v Speaker 2>use every single day of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was fortunate enough to work with a man

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<v Speaker 1>named Paul Krensky who was one of Demming's disciples over

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan and came back and brought you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole statistical quality control. He worked with the man I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember who wrote it that quality is Free. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been such a long time since I read that book,

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<v Speaker 1>going back into the nineteen seventies or early eighties. But

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<v Speaker 1>the whole idea of if you can measure it and

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<v Speaker 1>you can see it, then you can produce, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an improvement to the system. If you don't, you're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much screwed. And you you know, it's luck of the draw.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't have improvement without measurement. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those those unbelievably simple idioms that need to be a comitment,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a movement within an organization. But it's just

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<v Speaker 2>simple and smart. It's just it's just really simple. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you Bill, hopefully I'll put another smile on

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<v Speaker 2>your face. When I was at P and G, I

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<v Speaker 2>was I was a part of a group that that

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<v Speaker 2>that that worked on brand but also organizational development things

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00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.519
<v Speaker 2>within the company. And I got to spend a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time with Stephen Covey, who was the shortest, most intense,

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00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 2>in your face human I've ever met my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't read sales or marketing or motivation books,

640
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 2>and and there's a reason behind that. But I did

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00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.119
<v Speaker 2>read Seven Habits by the Successful People and in there,

642
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<v Speaker 2>and it is brilliant, and it's brilliant today, and it's

643
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<v Speaker 2>as it's as relevant today as the Old Testament's relevant today.

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<v Speaker 2>And and but but I I did have a have

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to spend a good deal of time with him,

646
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<v Speaker 2>and he was a hoop.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it was something I am envious of you. I've

648
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<v Speaker 1>I've studied uh Covey for I'm the better part of

649
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<v Speaker 1>thirty years. I don't remember what year in the nineties

650
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<v Speaker 1>that seven habits came out, but I thought to myself,

651
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<v Speaker 1>this is so freaking simple. You know, it takes somebody

652
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 1>who's really awake and thinking to write this stuff down.

653
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<v Speaker 1>And I think the most powerful thing beyond you know,

654
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 1>begin with the end in mind, and you know, listen

655
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<v Speaker 1>first to understand and then to be understood. That's cool stuff.

656
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<v Speaker 1>But the four quadrant philosophy being able to take something

657
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<v Speaker 1>and ask questions about it and place it in one

658
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<v Speaker 1>of four quadrants, so you can say this quadrant's a throwaway.

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<v Speaker 1>We do nothing in that quadrant at all if it's

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<v Speaker 1>in there. If it pops up in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>other quadrants later on, we'll take a look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I shamelessly stole those ideas and I used it in

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<v Speaker 1>my businesses, and I also used it when I was

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<v Speaker 1>consulting with people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was it was published originally in eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the fifth of the seven is the

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<v Speaker 2>most profound. And you're right. I mean, you have to

668
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<v Speaker 2>have to step back, you have to be uncluttered, but

669
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<v Speaker 2>seem to understand before you understood. So simple and so effective,

670
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<v Speaker 2>hard hard to discipline yourself to that point, but so smart,

671
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<v Speaker 2>so so super super smart and as I said, what's

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<v Speaker 2>not relevant in twenty twenty five, be proactive, begin with

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<v Speaker 2>the end in mind, be put first things first. It

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<v Speaker 2>worked together, I think he I don't know whether he

675
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<v Speaker 2>created the term centergize, but he used the verb centators.

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<v Speaker 2>Just those seven points just really quarterstones of not just business,

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<v Speaker 2>but how to manage yourself as you as you interact

678
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<v Speaker 2>with people in a business environment.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, and I think it was like

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<v Speaker 1>the on ramp to having conversations in which there didn't

681
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<v Speaker 1>need to be winners and losers in those days, because

682
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>most people were speaking to make a point and they

683
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<v Speaker 1>didn't really care. They just wanted to fill the air

684
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<v Speaker 1>with their thoughts when they had an opportunity to say things,

685
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.239
<v Speaker 1>and rarely was it about constructing something that was really

686
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<v Speaker 1>good for the group or good for the other people.

687
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<v Speaker 1>But when you decide I'm going to listen to you fully,

688
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.199
<v Speaker 1>it costs me nothing and there's nothing for me to

689
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.159
<v Speaker 1>win or lose here. However, I could gain some understanding

690
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we make a better world or a better

691
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<v Speaker 1>factory or better marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, without question, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>We could probably make up a whole bunch more questions

694
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<v Speaker 1>here but what would you say, mark is the most

695
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<v Speaker 1>important thing in life to you right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Selfishly, I would say my family. I'm referenced earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>our conversation. But if I take a little more holistic

698
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<v Speaker 2>for you, I think that what I'm troubled with and

699
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<v Speaker 2>spended a lot of time thinking and talking to you about,

700
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 2>is that we as a country need to start uniting

701
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<v Speaker 2>after so many years of division. And I have this

702
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 2>theory that that which gets politicized gets polarized, and that

703
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 2>which gets polari it gets paralyzed. We don't get anything done,

704
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<v Speaker 2>and we're making some unbelievable technological advancements, but from a

705
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<v Speaker 2>societal standpoint, we're missing out on unbelievable opportunity that's present

706
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<v Speaker 2>in front of us. And I think that that we

707
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<v Speaker 2>have to stop dividing, whether it's on a party, whatever

708
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<v Speaker 2>that division is, and start uniting as people and uniting

709
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<v Speaker 2>is is a country and is a big old tribe,

710
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<v Speaker 2>and really start slowing down and caring for that person

711
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<v Speaker 2>that's across the street that you don't really know and

712
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you probably won't ever know, but understanding that they're humans

713
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<v Speaker 2>and they should be cared for. And and so I

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<v Speaker 2>think that for me that again, on that more holistic,

715
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<v Speaker 2>less selfish standpoint, I think it's what's most important in

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<v Speaker 2>life right now is for all of us to start

717
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<v Speaker 2>thinking about uniting and caring.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that to just to a great degree. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you got a methodology or has anything kind of come

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<v Speaker 1>up for you that sounds like it might be a

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<v Speaker 1>good way forward for action steps and things that can

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<v Speaker 1>be done to you know, bring that into being in

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<v Speaker 1>our culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, it's surfacing the topic. It's a very arresting topic.

725
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<v Speaker 2>It's not offensive, but when it's a it's it's it's

726
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<v Speaker 2>a it's a very arresting topic. People were running so

727
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<v Speaker 2>fast COVID. I mean I just talked to you why

728
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<v Speaker 2>I love COVID. Of course COVID was the devil. I

729
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 2>hate COVID, but it did progress in it of all of us.

730
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<v Speaker 2>It's in interesting ways. Before people were trying to go digital,

731
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<v Speaker 2>you didn't go digital. During COVID, you didn't get anything done.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you know, there were change agents in companies. As

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<v Speaker 2>physicians today we're all we can accommodate change better now

734
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<v Speaker 2>than we've ever accommodated change. But just stopping the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>the topical conversation and articulating the idea, especially in the

736
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<v Speaker 2>middle of it, either a heated conversation or an important conversation,

737
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<v Speaker 2>whether it's a religious conversation, a political conversation, a sports conversation,

738
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<v Speaker 2>and just talking about the concept of how pressure is

739
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<v Speaker 2>it is that we have each other and that we

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<v Speaker 2>need to unite rather than divide, just surfacing the topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I do it often, and I've never had anybody argue

742
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 2>that it's not a good, good process. We just don't

743
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.039
<v Speaker 2>think about it enough because we've lost our way. Because

744
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 2>that which gets politicized gets polarized, in that which gets

745
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:39.119
<v Speaker 2>polarized gets paralyzed. That's where we're at. I truly believe that,

746
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and everything, especially with the lockdowns and the things that

747
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 2>happened societally for the lockdowns, everything became so divided and

748
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 2>vicious that that we for we really were. I fundamentally

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00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:57.360
<v Speaker 2>believe people are good. People are very very good. Some

750
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<v Speaker 2>can manage outside an internal stimuli us better than others,

751
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 2>but we all have the same capacity. You can't feel

752
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 2>more happiness than I can. You do it in a

753
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>different way. I can't feel more pain than you can.

754
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I feel it in a different way. But if you

755
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>normalize it, it's all one hundred percent. It's we're all

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<v Speaker 2>equal and regardless of race or color, or creed or

757
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 2>history or background or last name, regardless of that, there

758
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 2>is a that is a normalizing factor. And if that's

759
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<v Speaker 2>our point of origin, which it is, you can't defute it.

760
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<v Speaker 2>You can't turn your back on it. And if it

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<v Speaker 2>is our point of origin, then it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>rationale for unity.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the most important thing in life for you

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and I agree with you, and i'm your partner,

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<v Speaker 1>and I also want you to know that there are

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<v Speaker 1>people that have to be taught how to get interested

767
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<v Speaker 1>in the conversation, possibly you know, to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>they would listen, right, you know. Look the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we're constructing our human beings these days, and what we're

770
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<v Speaker 1>putting into their head and what we're allowing them to

771
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 1>do to damage themselves. There's a lot of work to

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<v Speaker 1>be done here. So it's it's it's easy, but it's

773
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<v Speaker 1>it's simple, but it's not easy, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>And and so you and I met through a mutual

775
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<v Speaker 2>uh business and personal association through Eric and and Eric

776
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.639
<v Speaker 2>is part of an organ a peer to peer community

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm that that I'm involved with, and he Eric

778
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<v Speaker 2>is often and others within the organization have heard me

779
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<v Speaker 2>use terms that aren't normally associated with business. I talk

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<v Speaker 2>about loving what you do and loving what you're committed to,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're an investor, loving what you're investing in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk a lot about a lot about the the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that that we we have to to, you know, unbridle

785
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<v Speaker 2>the part that restricts us from evolution and growth by

786
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.559
<v Speaker 2>being open minded and open hearted. I talk about being

787
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<v Speaker 2>a is this evangelist, which is an arresting topic, but

788
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 2>people seem to find it interesting. I'm also a business zello.

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00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean business is in part of that conform is is,

790
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<v Speaker 2>you know, part of our society that makes us click.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I you know, I'm my favorite catalyst. I

792
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<v Speaker 2>like it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you what. These are fundamentals that we

794
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<v Speaker 1>didn't get growing up in high school. These are fundamentals

795
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<v Speaker 1>that we should I think we should be teaching second

796
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<v Speaker 1>and third graders about the value of competition, about the

797
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<v Speaker 1>value of doing your best all the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just just for today, do the best that you can,

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<v Speaker 1>just for today, you know, And then let tomorrow take

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<v Speaker 1>care of tomorrow. We'll do the best you can tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>if that's possible. But there's no reason in the world

802
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<v Speaker 1>why you wouldn't go out there and challenge yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>honor the fact that you're here by accident or maybe

804
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<v Speaker 1>you're here by design. But why don't you choose one

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<v Speaker 1>of them and use that as a damn good reason

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<v Speaker 1>to do the best you can in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's our I use a word earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's our duty to do exactly what you

809
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<v Speaker 2>just said. I think it's our duty we're given. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're given opportunity, it's your duty to use it, not

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<v Speaker 2>to squander it. I I'm I'm I lived to that conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are. We've we've we've set the ideal.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you like to leave in the world after

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<v Speaker 1>your life is done?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I have a couple legacy points which answer and

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<v Speaker 2>facilitate your question kind of in a different way. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the companies that I have we produce rock

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<v Speaker 2>and roll music and science fiction film. And I take

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<v Speaker 2>a big you know you reference what I do to

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<v Speaker 2>waste time, and I said video games, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>I love movies. I take entertainment really seriously, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>music we produce and the films we produce, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>because it is such entertainment is a critical part of

824
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<v Speaker 2>of balance. And so I hope you know that some

825
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<v Speaker 2>of the music that I produce, the films I produce,

826
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<v Speaker 2>will live forever in a digital world, and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>people will continue to enjoy them and be entertained by

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<v Speaker 2>them long after I'm gone, so that I have a

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<v Speaker 2>physical legacy within the entertainment world that I have aspiration

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<v Speaker 2>will continue to put smile on people's faces for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic, It's it's I think you've done a great

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<v Speaker 1>job of putting into words why people are in that

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<v Speaker 1>the entertainment industry. Many of them could not articulate it

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<v Speaker 1>as well as you just did, But if you ask them,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them just would just basically say, what

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<v Speaker 1>else would I do? Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Absolutely? And I'm privileged to a pre production production,

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<v Speaker 2>post production people, artists, talent, musicians. I'm just surrounded by

840
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.599
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't play a note. I couldn't I can't humm

841
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a tomb. I'm a business person that happens toab An

842
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Erpack came a company, and I manage as a business person,

843
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.840
<v Speaker 2>not as an entertainment company. But I had been the

844
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 2>had the privilege and been so honored by so much

845
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 2>talent around me and Bill. I'm a fanboy period. I'm

846
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.519
<v Speaker 2>a fanboy. I love consuming what we create. I love

847
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I love watching it, listening to it. And because of

848
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 2>that those legacy points, I hope, I hope people will

849
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 2>continue to entertain and put smiles on people's faces for

850
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:30.320
<v Speaker 2>a really long time.

851
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. There's no doubt in my mind

852
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 1>the people you're associated with who are here after you're

853
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 1>gone are going to be saying, what would Mark do

854
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:44.480
<v Speaker 1>you know? Or I can hear Mark's voice in my head.

855
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.039
<v Speaker 1>There's no doubt in my mind that you make an

856
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:51.559
<v Speaker 1>imprint on some great people. So the baker's question, I

857
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:53.920
<v Speaker 1>like to go to the bakery because my particular baker,

858
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 1>she is a fantastic gall If I buy a dozen

859
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of anything, she always gives me a free one. I

860
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.320
<v Speaker 1>think this was something they've brought over from the old country,

861
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:05.559
<v Speaker 1>right right, right, So your your banker's question is, uh,

862
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 1>what is the thing that most people misunderstand about you?

863
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll answer from the as I said, I'm a

864
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>strategist and I'm a consultant, and I think that as consultant,

865
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I try to maintain objectivity, especially as I'm consulting a company,

866
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and the way that that objectivity services itself. And I

867
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.280
<v Speaker 2>think that where people misunderstand is the idea that my

868
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>client is not the CEO or a C suite member.

869
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:39.760
<v Speaker 2>My client is the overall good of the company. And

870
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>when someone brings me in, they're the ones to sign

871
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.599
<v Speaker 2>the check. They're the ones that you know, approved and

872
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.719
<v Speaker 2>created the gateway. They often have that sense of ownership

873
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and in connection, and I definitely build try to build

874
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>meaningful business relationships. But at the end of the day,

875
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:02.159
<v Speaker 2>as a consultant, I'm not serving an individual or group

876
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.360
<v Speaker 2>of individuals. My focus and fairness is on the good

877
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.360
<v Speaker 2>of the company. And sometimes folks don't like that because

878
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 2>they we like preferential treats. But my and I found

879
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 2>that if I lived that, not only can I honor, respect,

880
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 2>and perform for my clients, but I can also put

881
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.320
<v Speaker 2>my head on a pillow and sleep at night.

882
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.159
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, and you kind of sparked some thoughts

883
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.679
<v Speaker 1>in my mind. Do you ever find yourself working across

884
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<v Speaker 1>the table from people who are asking you to go

885
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 1>out and fix their thirty five hundred employees.

886
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and.

887
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:43.840
<v Speaker 1>What's your response to that?

888
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<v Speaker 2>So, Yeah, I happen to really respect and this is

889
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, this has been a very interesting conversation. We

890
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:58.840
<v Speaker 2>reflected and talked about some really important organization development ideas

891
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.920
<v Speaker 2>over the last thirty years. Chain of command is something

892
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>that you know, at one point the structure and Rigoro

893
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.719
<v Speaker 2>chain expand work. Then the world wanted a flat organization

894
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 2>because every one of what I happen when you're trying

895
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 2>to disseminate from an organizational development standpoint, when you're trying

896
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to affect positive change, when you're trying to create cultural movement,

897
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.880
<v Speaker 2>when you're trying to redirect the focus of the energy

898
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 2>of the company outwardly to an inward focus. You need

899
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 2>that to be a systemic, enterprise wide event and a movement,

900
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.800
<v Speaker 2>if you will. So the only way to manage that

901
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 2>isn't to have the cheerleader CEO or the cheerleader or

902
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:46.000
<v Speaker 2>chief HR. It's got to work through the organization, through

903
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the organizational structure. And so and the way that I

904
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:55.760
<v Speaker 2>build that into the program is I don't have a team.

905
00:51:56.559 --> 00:52:01.159
<v Speaker 2>An internal panel of just the senior executives identify. If

906
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 2>there's a company has four organizational ranks, if they have ten,

907
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. I get representatives from each organizational rank and

908
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 2>they they set on the panel and they give input

909
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 2>and insights and intelligence. They and it's not necessarily a vote,

910
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.599
<v Speaker 2>it's insights and intelligence. Because my responsibility is the outsiders.

911
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 2>The objective person is the business alchemist of merging science

912
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and art. It's my responsibility to take those input inputs,

913
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 2>filter them and then build something sustainably through that's going

914
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>to positively affect the company. And so but what I

915
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 2>do is I make sure that the people that I

916
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>select for each organization level are good verbal communicators and

917
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.880
<v Speaker 2>they have a voice within their peer group. So and

918
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:51.679
<v Speaker 2>we enroll the organization for the first day, I engage.

919
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I speak to representatives throughout the organization the first day

920
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:58.280
<v Speaker 2>and tell them what's going to happen. Because everybody you

921
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 2>bring someone like myself in, some people are happy, some

922
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:04.280
<v Speaker 2>people are afraid, some people are energized, some people are worried.

923
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Is this a clever way of of headcount reduction? Is

924
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, am I going to lose my job. All

925
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.039
<v Speaker 2>of those things are real. And the way that you

926
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.320
<v Speaker 2>fight that and you and you create a medium for

927
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.239
<v Speaker 2>positive growth and evolution is directness, openness, and honesty and

928
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.559
<v Speaker 2>seeking to understand before you understood number five and seven

929
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 2>and so share you listen to the people and make

930
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:30.440
<v Speaker 2>sure the organization knows you're listening to the totality of

931
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.119
<v Speaker 2>the organization. You're going to take those insights and inputs

932
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.800
<v Speaker 2>in and reflect that in the work that we do.

933
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.639
<v Speaker 2>And that that's the mechanism that I rely on to

934
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:43.599
<v Speaker 2>to ensure that we have system wide embracing of whatever

935
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 2>we create.

936
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. Yeah, that's a I have a candid question that

937
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I always ask after somebody asked me to fix their organization.

938
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:55.360
<v Speaker 2>What's that?

939
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 1>How long do you want me to take to show

940
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.960
<v Speaker 1>you that you're the problem?

941
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.599
<v Speaker 2>You know? Some very often times you know what what

942
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I I uphemize advice? What are the ceiling points? And

943
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:13.199
<v Speaker 2>and very often, very often it's management and it's it's

944
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:17.199
<v Speaker 2>senior leadership or it's a CEO, or very often it

945
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:22.920
<v Speaker 2>is And that's why I now I have a team

946
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.639
<v Speaker 2>where I have there So there's there's three levels that

947
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.800
<v Speaker 2>we we we we attempt to serve the a or

948
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.360
<v Speaker 2>a company that's that's focusing on organization development, and there's

949
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.559
<v Speaker 2>and there's Number one is is CEO to CEO. I've

950
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:44.000
<v Speaker 2>had the privilege of having over seventy five established large

951
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.480
<v Speaker 2>corporation one on one CEO consultancy relationships in my career,

952
00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:51.719
<v Speaker 2>So I'm pretty comfortable talking to anybody about anything. What

953
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:56.280
<v Speaker 2>my CEO consultation practice, which we don't promote because a

954
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of CEOs don't want to tell people that they

955
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 2>have this type of insight the outside. But I'm not

956
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 2>a coach. I help them make the most difficult decisions

957
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:08.199
<v Speaker 2>of their of their of their that they're facing that

958
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:11.960
<v Speaker 2>day and and again, so you don't necessarily promote that.

959
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 2>The second level is c suite. So I have an

960
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:20.480
<v Speaker 2>unbelievably gifted person that is really get really really special

961
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 2>at it's at leadership alignment. And then I have another

962
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.239
<v Speaker 2>operational person who former retired captain of the Navy, who

963
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 2>is the operationalized person that ensures that every person in

964
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the organization is possibly impacted.

965
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:36.559
<v Speaker 1>But we we.

966
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't go to an engagement and do one or two

967
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:42.599
<v Speaker 2>of those three. Part of the deal, part of the

968
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:46.000
<v Speaker 2>ticket part of the process, part of the invoice is

969
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 2>if we don't manage communication points with all three of

970
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 2>those audiences, there will it will never it might be

971
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.360
<v Speaker 2>sold in, it will never be executed in. It it

972
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:59.920
<v Speaker 2>won't positively impact the company. And I've learned that over time.

973
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 2>And therefore what the what you outline bill is it's

974
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:08.480
<v Speaker 2>always somebody group of somebodies. So the only way that

975
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.639
<v Speaker 2>you ensure that you optimize it is full coverage. And

976
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:14.079
<v Speaker 2>that and and I don't have the patience to manage

977
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.039
<v Speaker 2>c suite. I don't have the patience to manage the

978
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.519
<v Speaker 2>rest of the organization. I deal with the CEO, and

979
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I have two individuals that are gifted. If those other

980
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 2>two audiences that are critically get evolution.

981
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Done, yeah, you you can't leave it to the chain

982
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>of command to change the culture. They have to get

983
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:35.559
<v Speaker 1>You have to get the informal leaders at every level,

984
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.760
<v Speaker 1>in every part of the organization to buy into it.

985
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:41.519
<v Speaker 1>And then they are they become the trim tabs for change.

986
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.079
<v Speaker 1>They're that that little part of the writer that is

987
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:48.519
<v Speaker 1>so small, but it turns the Queen Mary right, and

988
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:50.960
<v Speaker 1>she would she would take many four miles to get there.

989
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:55.159
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that I adopted subveral years ago

990
00:56:55.519 --> 00:57:00.599
<v Speaker 2>was a a prenatal approach. Prenatal me as an approach

991
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:05.039
<v Speaker 2>to consulting. What does that mean? One of the hardest

992
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:09.000
<v Speaker 2>worst parts in life is sometimes bad things happen. And

993
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 2>before doctors really didn't talk to people about the bad

994
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.559
<v Speaker 2>things has happened. They reacted to it when they happened.

995
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.199
<v Speaker 2>And then there was a movement about fifteen twenty years

996
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 2>ago where very hard conversations were began so it wouldn't

997
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:29.920
<v Speaker 2>be this titanic blow to someone when bad news happens,

998
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.639
<v Speaker 2>and so they talk about all options, not just the good,

999
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:36.360
<v Speaker 2>not just the bad, to all options, here's what might happen.

1000
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.559
<v Speaker 2>And I had that conversation with the senior leadership team,

1001
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and I determine how they reacted to that, and I say,

1002
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:47.000
<v Speaker 2>here's probably what's going to happen. And someone's going to

1003
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:48.719
<v Speaker 2>be painful, and someone's going to be on you and

1004
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:50.960
<v Speaker 2>someone's going to be on her. But this is how

1005
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.480
<v Speaker 2>we're going to get it done. And if they are

1006
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Speaker 2>receptive to that, then we consider engaging. If they aren't,

1007
00:57:57.519 --> 00:57:59.800
<v Speaker 2>then I move on because it's not going to work.

1008
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to do anything for a fee just

1009
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:05.719
<v Speaker 2>to to you know, collect the fee. We we spend

1010
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.880
<v Speaker 2>a significant amount of due diligence time making sure there's

1011
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:13.840
<v Speaker 2>compatiblyon and fit in what we see that the organization

1012
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:17.199
<v Speaker 2>direction should be and the team of people that need

1013
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.159
<v Speaker 2>to live it and breathe in and execute it upon

1014
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 2>operational engagement.

1015
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:27.719
<v Speaker 1>It sounds terrific to me, Mark, I really appreciate that.

1016
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:29.679
<v Speaker 1>That's the end of our regular questions. Do you have

1017
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:30.599
<v Speaker 1>any questions for me?

1018
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:35.239
<v Speaker 2>So? Are are you? The one one question that that

1019
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:40.920
<v Speaker 2>that I continue to think about is are you creating

1020
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:45.679
<v Speaker 2>any type of correlation or any type of directional summary

1021
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.119
<v Speaker 2>for the questions and interviews in totality or are these

1022
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 2>living breathing organisms that live on their own uh as

1023
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 2>as separate units.

1024
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a great question looking ahead. We did

1025
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.519
<v Speaker 1>this in such a way that it's not going to

1026
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.719
<v Speaker 1>be a poll. Okay, right, These are open ended questions.

1027
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:11.599
<v Speaker 1>No two people are going to answer these seemingly straightforward

1028
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.159
<v Speaker 1>questions the same way. But at the end of the

1029
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 1>day we'll be able to use AI to grab some

1030
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.599
<v Speaker 1>correlations out of all of the data. Basically tell us

1031
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, is there something that you know is that

1032
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:31.039
<v Speaker 1>supports the whole identity culture or are human beings fundamentally

1033
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the same as you and I were saying earlier. They

1034
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 1>just express themselves differently in a group, and in many

1035
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:42.199
<v Speaker 1>cases they make their choices not for either livelihood reasons

1036
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>or anything else. Maybe it's just to be accepted or

1037
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to feel loved or all that kind of stuff. We're

1038
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:48.920
<v Speaker 1>going to find out what we find out at the end.

1039
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.519
<v Speaker 1>But I'm amassing a load of information. You're my I

1040
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 1>think forty first interview out of one hundred, and I'm

1041
00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 1>very pleased to have had you here. I really wanted

1042
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:05.639
<v Speaker 1>to do to dive in here and do two things.

1043
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 1>One is to learn to be a better a better listener,

1044
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.719
<v Speaker 1>a better interviewer. That was my selfish goal. And then

1045
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:14.239
<v Speaker 1>the second, you know, to ask better questions, deeper questions

1046
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that people could really sink their teeth into. And then

1047
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the other thing is is that when folks listen to

1048
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<v Speaker 1>these played back, Because I've got the gamut, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>every kind of person that you can think of so far,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can only imagine what we've got less left

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<v Speaker 1>in the next next sixty Sure someone's gonna hear somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who says something that makes a difference in their life

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<v Speaker 1>right now today. I'm that's my goal, right, that's that? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>got it? That's good. That's that's really smart. I like

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot. That that that is of noble pursuit.

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<v Speaker 1>What else would I do? Well, Mark, thank you again?

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<v Speaker 1>Anything else to wrap up, anything you'd like to say

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<v Speaker 1>about the experience or anything else it's on your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Great questions, great interaction. Uh, you know, the best presentation

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a presentation, it's a conversation. And the way that

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<v Speaker 2>you craft this and you manage it, it's we had

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation. It wasn't an interview. We just had a chat.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I said, you know, I kind of made

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<v Speaker 2>that promise to myself and have now selfishly fulfilled the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you know, you've helped me think about things

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<v Speaker 2>in different ways that I haven't thought about before and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a better person for it. So I thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, and I thank you right back.

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<v Speaker 1>And kind of like you know, Elon and Joch having

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<v Speaker 1>a chat right.

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<v Speaker 2>Only we didn't include any any uh digital pigs in

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. No digital pigs were engaged.

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<v Speaker 1>In this exactly, but and no f bombs, right right right.

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<v Speaker 1>So with with all of that, I'm going to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Folks at home. We are Simple Questions for

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred people, and I'm Bill Correll and Mark. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been my pleasure to have you here, mister Mark Alan Stewart,

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, have a great day.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Bill.

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