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Speaker 1: You. I'm now listening to soft core History.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to softcore History. I'm your

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host for the week, Dan Rochester, joined us always by

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Robert Fuck.

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Speaker 1: What is going on?

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy?

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Speaker 1: Not much, just drinking my Christmas beer, having a good.

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Speaker 2: Old time holiday week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time to get smashed every day of the week.

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Get the tree up already, tree has been up. Oh wow,

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tree's been up. This is like week two of the tree.

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Speaker 2: I've always been a wait till the end of Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife is weep at the tree up.

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Speaker 2: My wife. Fake are real?

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's fake. Unfortunately. I prefer a real tree. But

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there's so many other living things that I have to

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deal with that I just can't fucking can't.

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Speaker 2: God forbid. Rory knocks it over bred and Jack.

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Speaker 1: A real dog, a real fucking concern. Yeah, it's a Yeah.

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One of the kids knocks it over crushes our old dog.

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He doesn't die. Dying would actually be preferable, not because

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I want the dog to die, but the medical bills

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from keeping him alive, and at that point, and.

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Speaker 2: It's not even worth it.

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Speaker 1: A doggy wheelchair almost certainly his back is barely working

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as it is.

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Speaker 2: Quality of life just not on point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a massage. His turns out at one

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in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's not making it to the door. He's

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pissing and shitting everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Would we put him down? No, no, you can't out.

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My wife's haid that dog since twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: So that dog's going to die in her hands shaking, yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in her arms. So yeah, at the end of

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the day, that the tree killing the dog immediately would

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be financially a windfall compared to the alternative. But that's

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why it's a fake tree. It's lights plastic. Good to go, Yeah,

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heavy timber. What are you doing with the turkey? Uh?

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Not much this year, man. I don't want to do

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the whole you and go deeper. No, I'm not doing

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the whole fucking thing. We're just tossing it in the oven. Yeah, nothing, nothing,

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your wife, I do the turkey for sure. What it's

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not a good cook also, but even still that the

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man cooks the turkey, maybe that is the gentleman's domain.

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Speaker 2: Or grill it, smoke it I have, I have not.

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It goes in the oven. It's not the guy.

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Speaker 1: No, it's still the guy for the oven I have done.

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I have spatch cocked it on my grill before, and

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I did do. I've done ovens several times as well.

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I think spash Cock was the best one I've had.

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No matter what you do, do a turkey, it tastes

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the exact scent, tastes like turkey. It always sucks. It's

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pretty mid It's i mean, the only the only use

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of the turkey really to me. It's not even Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Day, it's the day after. It's all for sandwiches.

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Speaker 1: Sandwiches. That's it. I gotta go get some turkeys. Put

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that on the sandwich. The greatest turkey condiment on earth. Turkeys. Well, Thanksgiving,

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so that time of year. We always learned in school,

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of course about the Pilgrims.

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Speaker 2: Yea, and the Indians. Yeah, but what did we actually

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learn Squanto? Did you learn about Squanto? I didn't learn

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anything about Squanto. I just learned about buckle hats.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Squanto entered my head from school

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or just like the public consciousness.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about Squanto today. Oh, we're talking about

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Squanta today at some point, But like he's not the

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main Thook episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know, I do you know? The

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name Squanto is hard to forget. The only other thing

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Speaker 2: Is Quanto is interesting because he's a lookout for himself

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number one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of guy, which I respect, a rogue. I

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also just know that all the Mayflower people who didn't

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die are like their descendants are all the most powerful

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people in American history, probably like truly as they.

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Speaker 2: I think, like they made the risk to cross the

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Atlantic and now their family should reap the rewards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like a direct line minimum from

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two presidents. It's more than that for sure. But the

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two that come to mine off top of my head

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are well three four I guess the Atoms and the

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Bushes I think are both directly back to the Mayflower. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I didn't learn anything in school about the fucking families

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on the Mayflower. We just learned people went over Plymouth Rock.

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Speaker 1: They endured hard times. The one thing you didn't don't learn.

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hard times. Everyone died. Well, we'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like not everyone I.

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Speaker 1: Know, but a lot of fucking a lot of them,

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Speaker 2: A lot of them died. Today's episode is going to

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be kind of a general overview of what led them

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to come to Plymouth Rock, who the Pilgrims were, and

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it's really gonna be focused through the lens in eye

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of William Bradford, okay, who was at one point governor

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of Plymouth, because he did write a lot. So he

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wrote a lot in his journal, his diary whatever youone

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call it diary, it's a diary.

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Speaker 1: So that was back when men diary matter.

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Speaker 2: If you call it a journal, it's still a diary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a diary. A journal, Well, it's a diary

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and you can call it a diary. That's fine. There

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was like a year cut off probably post World War Two.

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I would have to guess where diaries became gay became

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feminine coded, because you go through history, it's like, oh,

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Abraham Lincoln's diary, what George Washington's diary, like whatever, it

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doesn't matter. But if it's like JFK's diary, you're like,

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he get.

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Speaker 2: It all started with Anne Frank she fem coded it.

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Speaker 1: I think. So, yeah, after that diary really got twelve

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year old girl coded.

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Speaker 2: William Bradford was born March nineteenth, fifteen ninety to a

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wealthy farming family in Yorkshire. His father when he was

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just over a year old, and his mother remarried when

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he was four. His new stepdad wasn't down to raise

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a kid, so he was sent to live with his grandfather,

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who had died two years later.

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Speaker 1: That's like the equivalent sending the step children away as

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the equivalent of like a male lion coming into the

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pack because he defeated the old male lion and eating

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the cubs. It's just like boarding school. Get the fuck out.

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Can't have a threat. I won't eat you because I can't.

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Legally I would, but I won't leave for legal reasons only,

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So you're gonna go get molested at a boarding school.

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Speaker 2: William went back to his mother in step Pops, but

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she died later that year in fifteen ninety seven, and

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he was sent to work for his two uncles, who

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ran their own farm. He gets incredibly sick, doesn't pull

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his share for the little family he still has left

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at age seven, and instead starts reading books because he's

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incapable of physical labor.

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Speaker 1: I can relate. It can relate. It sounds like my

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Speaker 2: During this time, he gets really into the Bible. Oh well,

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and the separatist branch of the Puritans.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine how much we don't appreciate it enough,

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how much the Bible would just like blow the tits

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off of anyone reading it in like that thirteen fourteen,

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sixteen hundreds, like the in like the stories in it.

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percent true and there's no really no one even doubting

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it at that point, and you're just reading it and

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you're like, oh my god, this fucking happened.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of metal.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, you all, I understand if it doesn't

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even connect. It's an anthology series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, man, there's some parts missing here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it really doesn't get respected enough that Like,

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if you're just a guy and someone hands you this

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book and you don't know any better, and they're like,

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everything in this happened. Everything, literally, you're gonna you're to

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be like, holy fuck, Like you're gonna be really into

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that book. It makes sense now. I assume the English

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Civil War comes into play here in some regard. No, no, no, okay.

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Speaker 2: At twelve he is invited to see this guy, Reverend

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Richard Clifton, give a sermon about the Church of England

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needed to eliminate all practices borrowed from the Roman Catholic

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Church right to become a more pure religion.

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Speaker 1: Because I mean Episcopalian Anglican, which is the same thing

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that is Catholic. Light, Like they really did just change the.

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Speaker 2: Label gonna be our own church.

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Speaker 1: They gotta tear down all I mean, like most they

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seized like every Catholic church in England and just made

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it Church of England.

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Speaker 2: Also, what English Civil War? Are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: The English Civil War.

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Speaker 2: Forty two to fifty one, fifteen fifty sixteen forty two.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I was wrong on my dates. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: He would routinely go see Clifton preach against his uncle's wishes,

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and eventually came across William Brewster and his secret group

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of about fifty or so church reform radicals who met

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at his estate called Scrooby Manor. It's a sweet name.

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad name. It sounds like it's just

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from Scooby doo, But I like it.

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Speaker 2: Clifton and Reverend John Robinson led weekly meetings at Brewster's

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estate and eventually came to the conclusion that the Church

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of England was hopeless and decided they would separate all ties.

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of the group was arrested and fined for being disobedient

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in matters of religion.

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Speaker 1: I mean you got to keep in mind too, Like,

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can you imagine the mindset of a person in the

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early sixteen hundred to late fifteen hundred who is like

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this fifteen hundred's church isn't conservative enough? Yeah? Any like,

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because I guarantee you the Church of England back then,

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would you would like listen to them talking it You

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would be like, these are the craziest most conservative, fucking

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hardcore religious people ive ever met. And that, but there

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were people out there who are like not enough, not enough.

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Speaker 2: The people that wanted religious freedom were actually more hardcore.

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The Screwby congregation decided, after a few run ins with

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the law to leave England for the Dutch Republic. That

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a few failed attempts, including an incident where the captain

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of the ship turned them.

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Speaker 1: Directly over to authorities in the Netherlands. In England, Oh,

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in England, but like like they're getting on the boat,

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they're trying to get out, and they were like, oh,

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he's right here, old he screwballs, is right.

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Speaker 2: You can't go to the Netherlands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the thing, like you couldn't.

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A lot of people can't just leave.

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Speaker 2: Their country, especially then. Yeah, Bradford and much the congregation.

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We're imprisoned and some were even starved. But by the

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summer of sixteen oh eight they were able to travel

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in smaller groups and escaped to Amsterdam. While William was eighteen.

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leave England and we're living in pretty rough conditions for

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nine months finding anything they could for work. They eventually

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relocate to the city of Leiden in the neighborhood called

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stink Alley. Can't imagine that was great.

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Speaker 1: No, No, a.

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Speaker 2: Place in sixteen oh eight called stink Alley. Just sound

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the whole world smells.

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Speaker 1: It just sounds like a that sounds like a Yeah,

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I know, the whole world smells like shit. And you

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go down that alley and they're still like, oh.

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Speaker 2: My God, Jesus christ another level that we cannot comprehend.

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Speaker 1: No, we've never smelled anything like that. No.

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Speaker 2: In sixteen eleven, Bradford caught a break when he turned

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twenty one and was able to claim his family inheritance,

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sell the land, buy his own property in the Netherlands

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and set up a weaven workshop in Leiden. So I'm

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not sure if he had to go back.

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Speaker 1: To England or not handle some shit claim it, but

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apparently he was just able to get it when he

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turned twenty one. Good for him, Good for him, got

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a little got a little scratch. Yeah, I'm sure he

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probably just sent a letter back. It's probably to someone

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in England and was like, Hey, I need an agent

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to sell this, blah blah blah. It's basically like the

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way I deal with my realtor, except it takes like

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twelve months to get to talk like five times.

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Speaker 2: It's actually easier back then to talk to somebody. Yeah,

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probably any older. Yeah, yeah, I get that. How's that going?

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Speaker 1: By the way, Uh, it's not going to sell to

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the new Year for sure in this market. Yeah, a

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kid us another rate drop, but we'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 2: He marries Dorothy May the sixteen year old daughter of

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an affluent English couple living in Amsterdam all these twenty

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three so not really that big of an age gap

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back then. That seems respectable twenty three sixteen.

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Speaker 1: No, that's fine, there's much worse. That's that is that

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is completely fine for that time period.

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Speaker 2: And they don't have their first child, John until four

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years later. All right, so she's other age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's good to go. I mean he banged her

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before that, but certainly, but for the sake of the episode, unproblematic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: By sixteen seventeen, the Scrooby Congregation was starting to make

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plans to establish their own colony in the Americas, fearing

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their children were being too influenced by Dutch customs and traditions,

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having spent nearly a decade in a foreign country.

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Speaker 1: That's really funny that it's like the like what an act,

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what the immigrants influence in our culture, But like you're

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the immigrant, and you're like, oh, what these goddamn natives

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that whose land I'm living on to influence my culture?

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That's how it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, suck by Dick By July sixteen, twenty Robert Bushman

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and John Carver negotiated to set up shop in the

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Colony of Virginia, which at the time extended as north

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as the Hudson River, with a financial group known as

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the Merchant Adventurers.

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Speaker 1: Which at this point it was still like it was

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technically like english Land, but like England did we did it.

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Changed Colonialism about how like the English government didn't really

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get involved till Cromwell, which was during the English Civil War,

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which I inaccurately dated later than this, but before that

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it was just like, yeah, we're gonna go set up

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shop and it's England technically, but you have no control

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over it.

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Speaker 2: Fifty separatists, including William and Dorothy May, boarded the speed Well,

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which was to meet the Mayflower off the coast of

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England to travel across the Atlantic together. They left their

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son John with Dorothy May's parents in Amsterdam, believing he

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was not strong enough to make the voyage.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're go into Mars essentially.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like not everyone it's like guaranteed. I feel like

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not everyone who gets on this boat is getting off

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of this boat. They knew that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like we have to start over. Yeah, I have

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to build from the ground up. There's nothing there.

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Speaker 1: Like you keep John here, get him some ocean air

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and feed him as much rabbit meat as you can,

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and uh, hopefully he'll be strong enough in a few

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years to get over here.

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Speaker 2: The Speedball was already starting to fall apart by the

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time it met with the rest of the group, and

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passengers were transferred over to the Mayflower, making conditions much

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more crowded, which is.

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Speaker 1: Just great for all the incurable diseases, which is all

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of them back then, And we'll get to that. It is.

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from that time period. Like if you ever see a

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movie or a show or whatever and they show like ships,

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all the ships look new, they look great, but like

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in truth, like they were absolutely beaters on the ocean,

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you know what I mean. Yeah, like shit, that just

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did not belong on the sea. But some cheap ass

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captain or cheap ass company was like, yeah, she can

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go again, we can get one more out of her.

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Speaker 2: And Bradford was a bit of a conspiracy theorist when

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it came to the speed Well believe in the ship's

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owner kept causing the leaks, fearing failure and starvation in America.

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Speaker 1: Oh so he was causing the leaks because he's like,

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I don't want to do this shit. Fair, I don't

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think that's an Look. I don't know anything about the

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owner of the speed Well, but it's not the most

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unfounded thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: N But very funny that even then we had our

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own conspiracy theorists. Oh yeah, for everything constantly. Reverend John Robinson,

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who didn't even make the initial trip on the Mayflower,

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compared the group going to the Americas to the Israelites

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leaving Babylon.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, sure, I was gonna say, it's obviously a

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Bible comparison. How do I make us sound as important

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as possible?

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Speaker 2: The Puritans and Pilgrims even referred to themselves as God's

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New Israel. Yeah, boy, and their destiny was to build

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a spiritual Jerusalem in the New World. The term pilgrim

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is actually derived from Bradford's journal. He calls them Pilgrims

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mm hmm, okay. It's a term rooted from the Latin

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word peregrinus, meaning traveler or a foreigner from the Bible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so wait, he invented the word pilgrim. I guess

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that's what they said. All right, I don't really care

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who invented the word, so I'll give it to him.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't it couldn't. Couldn't affect me less, that's

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what it's wick, he said, So yeah, let's go with it.

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That's good enough for me.

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Speaker 2: Finally, what Bradford called a prosperous win allowed the Mayflower

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to take off on September sixteenth, sixteen twenty. There were

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one hundred and two passengers aboard and thirty crew members

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on this ship that was about one hundred feet long

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and twenty five feet wide.

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Speaker 1: Man, what the fuck do you do if you're just

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a passenger?

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Speaker 2: Do you say something?

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Speaker 1: I noticed?

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Speaker 2: They did not even like consider crew people. What do

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you mean for any of the statistics. They always just like, oh,

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and they had this many crew members. Okay, so just

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add that to the total.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: They were like, oh, only one person died on the

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Mayflower going across. And then they're like, oh, and a

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crew member. It's like, just add the numbers. Only one

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person crew members not people.

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Speaker 1: No, No, that's the help.

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Speaker 2: Before this trip, the Mayflower was prominently used as a

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vessel to send wine to England from Bordeaux. So it's

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never really made like a long journey.

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Speaker 1: No, it hasn't even hit open ocean. No, it's just

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going across the channel, really.

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Speaker 2: Right, just getting getting wine to the English from France.

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Speaker 1: Going up the coast. Yeah, it literally has not done

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open ocean. It just goes up the coast and across

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the channel. Yep.

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Speaker 2: The Mayflowers provisions were already quite low when departed in Southampton,

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as the passengers had been aboard the ship the entire time,

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already feeling worn out in the cramp spaces of a

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small ship. The ship's cargo included tools, food, and weapons,

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as well as some live animals, including dogs, sheep, goats,

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and poultry. The ship also held two small twenty one

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foot boats powered by oars or sails, and they also

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had artillery pieces aboard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just the amount of like chicken shit and

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goat shit alone is probably just disease city.

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Speaker 2: The first half of the voyage proceeded over calm seas

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and under pleasant skies, then the weather changed.

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Speaker 1: When was this like what time of year.

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Speaker 2: They left in September, Okay, so they're going to get

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there in winter, perfect.

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Speaker 1: The best time to set up a camp. It's like

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we always say the cold's worse than the heat. Global

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cooling kill a lot more people than global warming one thousand,

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which historically is literally the case in fact, every time

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there's been global warming history. This is not for me

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to say, like, I hope the temperature rises three degrees

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will it'll be sweet? But I don't think it would.

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But uh, like when the ice age ended, life exploded.

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Human life exploded, and when the little ice age hit

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or like a volcanic eruption hit that like created like

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a nuclear winter life shrink.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't worry. Earth's going to fix itself. A volcano

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will go off, will cover the skies, will be cold

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as shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's gonna be that fucking yellow Stone one.

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So we're not gonna be great. There were toasted, yeah,

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but Africa golden, they're gonna love it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Then weather changed, with continuous storms themselves against the ship

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and huge waves constantly crashing against the top side deck.

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In the midst of one storm, William Button, a young

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indentured servant, of physician Samuel Fuller died and was buried.

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Speaker 1: At sea, tossed overboard.

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Speaker 2: Another unnamed crew member died as well, and they were

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the only two deaths on the trip itself.

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Speaker 1: I would like to kind of quibble with your facts there.

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The crew member was not unnamed.

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Speaker 2: Who was the crew member?

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Speaker 1: He didn't have a name. You're right, yeah, just hand, yeah, hand.

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Speaker 2: Everyone in the ship is a hand. During another storm,

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John Howland was washed overboard, but a crew member threw

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a rope which Holland managed to grab and he was

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safely poured back on.

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Speaker 1: Board thanks hand. The hand. The hand doesn't always have

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to do the main thing the hand does on a boat.

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Speaker 2: They're not always cranking. Sometimes they're pulling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could do other hand stuff too. Well. It's

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pulling either way, as it's pulling rope one way or

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the other. You're right, yeah, yeah, but as long as

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he's doing it.

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Speaker 2: In mid ocean, the ship came close to being totally

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disabled and might have had to return to England or

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risk sinking. A storm damaged its main beam, but luckily

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one of the colonists had a metal jackscrew that he

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had purchased in Holland to help in the construction of

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a new settler home. They used it to secure the beam,

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which kept it from cracking.

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Speaker 1: Further. Have you ever seen videos and shit of I

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always enjoyed with my feet filled all that of uh,

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you know, just like ships in the like modern ships

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in the Indian Ocean or like the Atlantic, just taking

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fucking beatings in the ocean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how tall the waves get. I it's terrifying.

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Speaker 1: Would be there would be no shit left in my

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body to fill my pants after like twenty minutes of that.

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Speaker 2: Well there's no food, so nothing's really coming out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my assholes, just like just a puff like that

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is the most terrifying fucking shit. Like even on a

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modern boat where I would know where, I would know like, oh,

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this thing just won't sink, like they've they've mapped it out.

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This thing is not getting clocked. Even on that type

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of boat, I would be like, oh my god, Oh

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my fucking god. Like a boat where you also know

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that like you can send a signal and then like

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within an hour, like helicopters will be there or something like.

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Even on a boat like that, I would just be

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truly like shitting. And also I get I get horrifically seasick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, coming out of both ends.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, piss, shit, puke everything. That's the thing. Actually,

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I don't know if you know this. Have you ever

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seen people who take like Antarctic cruises? No, so there's

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this spot. I think it's between South America and Antarctica. Basically,

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I think it's Drake's passage for Sir Francis and uh,

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essentially it's like not recording artist, no, no, no, but

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he could take he could claim it if he was.

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It's either like the calmest, flattest water you've ever seen,

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like it looks like a pond, or it is just

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abysmal chopping, like to the point where you will not

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enjoy your cruise for like five straight days if you

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get it bad, like if you get it at the

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bad time, Yeah, you're just getting crushed.

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Speaker 2: If all else fails, will go down to the Caribbean,

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go work on a boat, and then when tours come

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and whenever they want to go out to fish or

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you know, do a little boost cruise.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, nah, sorry, too much chop, too much chop.

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I wish people were talking about flat as hell's job.

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I wish people would say that that happened on my honeymoon.

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They took us out when there was too much.

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Speaker 2: Shop and both of you were just hurling everywhere.

468
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Speaker 1: I had to sit in the middle front of the

469
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boat too, because one time I got up to pee.

470
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Speaker 2: Oh you, little Tommy hurt.

471
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, even within thirty seconds of walking to the bathroom.

472
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A grown man a ready to puke navigate the seas,

473
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:12,759
come on, I would not be able to. I would

474
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:15,160
be you know, I don't know which my ancestors did it,

475
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,200
but I'd still be in Ireland.

476
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: I definitely. I think just let the beard a lunk

477
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,400
could do it.

478
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's good with you too, is you could pass

479
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:31,160
for either Caribbean boatman or New England seamen because like

480
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:35,000
you look good in a tank top, thank you. But

481
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:39,599
with that beard, boy, like a turtle neck sweater, a

482
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,680
striped turtle neck sweater, I'll be perfect.

483
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely being a Wes Anderson movie.

484
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. A baby was born during the trip and

485
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:56,599
they eventually named it Oceanis Hopkins. That's horrific. That's just

486
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,359
name it, Brayden.

487
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: That's at a certain point, just name it anything but Osceiana's.

488
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:07,079
Speaker 1: That's fucking horrific. Also horrific. Uh giving birth on that boat.

489
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: Can't imagine it was pleasant. No Oh dude, having to

490
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,759
like hear her too. If you're another passenger.

491
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,759
Speaker 1: Everyone heard it. It's terrible the whole unless it's not

492
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,680
a big boat. Unless the storm was raging, that's the

493
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,960
only way you're not hearing it. It was just constant thunderclass.

494
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 2: You're waiting for a wave to take you anywhere else. Yeah,

495
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,799
like please kill me.

496
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: Oh like, oh my god, shut the fuck up.

497
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: On November nineteenth, sixteen twenty, they spotted present day Cape Cod.

498
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,920
They spent several days trying to sail south to their

499
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,279
planned destination of the Colony of Virginia, where they had

500
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,079
obtained permission to settle from the Company of Merchant and

501
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,400
Adventurers of London, but the strong winter seas forced them

502
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,240
to return to the harbor of Cape Cod Hook known

503
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,720
today as Providence Down Harbor, and they set an anchor

504
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:59,799
on November twenty. First William described the scene, being thus

505
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,359
in good harbor and brought safe to land, they fell

506
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,599
upon their knees and blessed the God of Heaven, who

507
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,920
had brought them over the vast and furious ocean and

508
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,079
delivered them from all perils and miseries thereof again to

509
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,400
set their feet on the firm and stayble Earth, their

510
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,720
proper element. I don't know if I could actually live

511
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:23,720
back then and listen to these assholes talk no, no,

512
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,960
like I'm a mushmouth as is this is tough, they'd

513
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,319
be like that simple boy can't speak.

514
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's like talking like Yoda, right even or

515
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,960
even like go back to just to use an example

516
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,559
from our Patreon episode about death by Lightning, like if

517
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,640
I was like walking around in Deadwood era and they're

518
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,160
talking like that, I'd just be like, uh, I'd be

519
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,319
like Beavis or but I'd be like, uh, okay, cool

520
00:27:55,519 --> 00:28:00,440
bet yeah, Like I'd like, I don't I don't know,

521
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:01,480
I don't know what to say.

522
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: The Mayflower Compact was signed that day, Bradford being one

523
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,359
of the first to sign. So that was kind of

524
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,480
like the you know, rules and regulations, the government charter.

525
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, what they were going to establish. By the way,

526
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,000
two things. One, I didn't realize this when you said it,

527
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:25,039
but they only finished the trip minus one nice two

528
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,240
crew counts. No, but I no but they lost too,

529
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,759
but then they gained one. Oh you're right, Yeah, they

530
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:35,519
only finished minus one and really even because I don't

531
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:36,279
want to count the crew.

532
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's honestly a wash. Yeah, a literal wash.

533
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: And then the second thing is that can you imagine

534
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,640
you've been on that boat and it's been a fucking

535
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,799
nightmare and it's horrible and you just want to get

536
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,400
off the boat. And then you have to sail around

537
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,119
for like eight days looking at land and not getting off.

538
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: Oh, it's even better because like most of the people

539
00:28:58,519 --> 00:28:59,799
don't get off the boat for a long time.

540
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they don't have like shelter. The boat's the

541
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:04,839
only shelter you.

542
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: Have to send an expedition for us.

543
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,279
Speaker 1: It's like you've been on the highway.

544
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: You have to figure out what we're gonna set up, you know,

545
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,880
your camp anyhow, Yeah, you need to find like a

546
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,960
strategic location.

547
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: It was also winter. It's cold in New England. In

548
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,680
New England. It's not great they missed the fall. It

549
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,880
would have been so magical if they'd gotten there in October.

550
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, leaves changing, Oh beautiful. During the first expedition

551
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,240
on foot, Bradford got caught in a deer trap made

552
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,960
by Indians and was hauled nearly upside down.

553
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,799
Speaker 1: Oh you got yep, that's awesome.

554
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: During the third expedition, a winter storm nearly sank their

555
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,119
boat as they approached the bay, but they managed to

556
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,440
land on Clark's Island, suffering from severe exposure to the

557
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,000
cold and waves.

558
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another thing too, Like obviously one hundred percent

559
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,400
understandable to set up at a harbor, like even set

560
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,759
up your town at a harbor, because like it's something

561
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,920
like eighty or ninety percent of human beings live near

562
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,559
a body of water, whether it be like a river

563
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,960
or an ocean or a lake. But like it's cold

564
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,519
as fuck. There are zero homes and you're next to

565
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,400
the Atlantic Ocean, so you were getting blasted with wind.

566
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,920
It's not even just cold, right, It's not even like

567
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,440
I was about you know, I was gonna say in college,

568
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,799
but you wouldn't relate because you went to college in Florida.

569
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,519
But like growing up, it's one thing if it's cold,

570
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880
if it's like twenty eight degrees, but it's if it's

571
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680
still you can kind of like deal with it fine.

572
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,279
When the wind is going, it's a living hell. It's

573
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,440
like twenty degrees cold. I mean obviously like windshill, but

574
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,839
like it is a living, fucking hell. Going to college

575
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,359
in the middle of Missouri. There was like a mark

576
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,839
it would be the same temperature in Saint Louis and Columbia.

577
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,440
There was a marked difference in how much warmer Saint

578
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,920
Louis was at the same degree because there were more

579
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,960
buildings and it stopped the wind, whereas instead you're in

580
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,039
the middle of the fucking count there's nothing but farmland

581
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:01,599
for miles around one hundred miles around, and it is

582
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,799
just blasting when the entire like walking to class in December,

583
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:06,240
it was a fucking nightmare.

584
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:10,599
Speaker 2: They explored the bay and found a suitable place for settlement,

585
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,839
now the site of downtown Plymouth, Massachusetts. The location featured

586
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,799
a prominent hill, ideal for a defensive fort. There were

587
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,400
numerous brooks providing fresh water, and it had been the

588
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,160
location of an Indian village, so a lot of the

589
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
area had been cleared for planting crops like.

590
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Where they still played. Again, they're just like, hey, we

591
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,119
found one of their dumb fields and it's winter, so

592
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:33,440
there's nothing growing now.

593
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,559
Speaker 2: This specific group of the Wampanoague tribe had been wiped

594
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,000
out by a plague in sixteen sixteen to sixteen nineteen. Okay,

595
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,599
Wampanoague was kind of like the tribe they interact with

596
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,799
the most there, Okay, I think I'm saying it rent.

597
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter all every I feel like everything in

598
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:57,599
Massachusetts in particular, maybe with the exception of the name Massachusetts,

599
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,640
but I don't know everything. It's like hyper unpronounceable. Is

600
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,039
because those Native Americans had insane names. I think it's

601
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:10,200
also just like spelled out they they pineticized it, I

602
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,559
think so.

603
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:13,839
Speaker 2: I think it's w A M p A n o

604
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,799
ag wamp oak.

605
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, but like all the Massachusetts things,

606
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:25,599
like obviously like Westminster is British, but like Chapiquittic that feels.

607
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Like and then you have to deal with their accents now. Yeah,

608
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,480
the Boston said, yeah, chabaquitic Wampanagg.

609
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, going down to Weaponagg.

610
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,799
Speaker 2: When the exploring party made their way back on board,

611
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,960
William learned of the tragic death of his wife, who

612
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,680
fell overboard off the deck of the Mayflower Door in

613
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,599
his absence. Some speculate that she may have committed suicide.

614
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,279
Speaker 1: Now she fell overboard and drowned.

615
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, anchorchip.

616
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

617
00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:58,359
Speaker 2: Interesting, So she.

618
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: Didn't say anything, although I will say if you hit

619
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,440
that water, it's hard to get breath in your lungs

620
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,440
get back up. Well, just it's so fucking cold it

621
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,599
knocks the wind out of you. But let's be totally

622
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:13,720
clear here. This is pre nineteen twenty, so even just

623
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,319
falling into the cold water for thirty seconds might kill you.

624
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know if she's just gonna like randomly.

625
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: Fall in bay no over a What was she doing? Yeah?

626
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,400
What were you doing?

627
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: Was she dancing?

628
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? Was she fucking shit? Probably not drunk. Did they

629
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,759
even have alcohol? I feel like they seem had to

630
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:34,960
have had alcohol. They seem like the sober type.

631
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,799
Speaker 2: You're right, but back then alcohol just seems cleaner than water.

632
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: So they might be the type of thing where it's

633
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,039
like they don't get drunk, but ale for breakfast type

634
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:45,599
of situation.

635
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,559
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, maybe're drinking wine at the church.

636
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:50,759
Speaker 1: Uh oh, that's Roman Catholic.

637
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:52,759
Speaker 2: They're on a rod boat.

638
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they refitted it for Jesus.

639
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Jesus kind of gets down. Oh,

640
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,119
I know.

641
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can look at the Bible

642
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,279
and literally see Jesus drinking wine and be like alcohol's wrong.

643
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,559
Speaker 2: In nowhere in the Bible dos to say that jesus

644
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,400
first miracle gave people more power.

645
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,159
Speaker 1: Booze booze.

646
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,119
Speaker 2: The Mayflower arrived in Plymouth Bay on December twentieth, sixteen twenty.

647
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,440
The settlers began building the colony's first house on Christmas.

648
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: Day, a present for someone, not everyone.

649
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: Their efforts were slowed when a widespread sickness struck the settlers.

650
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,440
The sickness had begun on the ship on January eleventh,

651
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,400
sixteen twenty one. Bradford was helping to build houses when

652
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,679
he was suddenly struck with a great pain in his

653
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,920
hip bone and collapsed. It was feared that he would

654
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,039
not last the night.

655
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,119
Speaker 1: Is how sickness hits. I guess he's like, he's just like, oh, smallpox.

656
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,599
He did make a recovery, though, what do you what

657
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,079
are these people like? He's like, oh, he's got hit paid.

658
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:02,440
I don't think he's gonna make the night.

659
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: By the end of winter, half of the hundred settlers

660
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,599
had died suffering and outbreak of a contagious disease described

661
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:13,000
as a mixture of scurvy, pneumonia, and tuberculosis.

662
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean great pneumonia you just get from being sick,

663
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:21,880
right like, It's like your immune system gets weak. He

664
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,360
and pneumonia funny.

665
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,039
Speaker 2: They got scurvy In an attempt to hide their weakness

666
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:28,840
from the Native Americans who might be watching them. The

667
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,800
settlers buried their dead in unmarked graves on Cole's Hill,

668
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:36,639
often at night, and made efforts to conceal their burials.

669
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: I was hoping that you were going to say they

670
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,599
put their dead bodies up as centuries. No, like human scarecrows,

671
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
you just tie a musket to their hand.

672
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,599
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, maybe a better idea, I cut right.

673
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Let's see, we would have crushed back then, we would

674
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,599
have taken over the world. During the epidemic, there were

675
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,480
only a small number of men who remained healthy and

676
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:07,440
bore the responsibility of Karen for the sick. One of

677
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,000
those was Captain Miles Standish, a soldier who had been

678
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,760
hired by the settlers to coordinate the defense of the colony.

679
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,559
Speaker 1: So was he even a believer or was he just

680
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:18,239
a mercenary?

681
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: He's a mercenary. He's a hired gun, so.

682
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,119
Speaker 1: He's just kind of like, oh my god, these people

683
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:23,840
are fucking dumb sort of.

684
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: But Standish cared for Bradford during his illness and that

685
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,079
started a lifelong friendship two men.

686
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: Now, let me apply a modern historian's lens to this. Gay.

687
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,679
Speaker 2: Everything's gay, right?

688
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,039
Speaker 1: Gay?

689
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? He's hand? Hand?

690
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: Was he a hand? It's like, oh, two men were

691
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,599
close to each other. They banked, had to they banked.

692
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,519
Speaker 2: If we're gonna write it for TV, now, gotta be gay.

693
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:57,119
Speaker 1: If it's if they don't outright penetrate each other, the

694
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,480
undertones have to be deafening. M Like they want to.

695
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,679
Speaker 2: Get to stare into each other's eyes for constantly an

696
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,079
incredibly uncomfortable amount of.

697
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: Timesh Yeah, and that's how you be a modern pop historian.

698
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,320
On the left, what if but gay?

699
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: On March sixteenth, the settlers had their first meet him

700
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,679
with the American Indians in the region when Samoset walked

701
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,159
into the village of Plymouth as a representative of Massachut

702
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:35,000
and the Wampan'agus.

703
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Massachusetts named after them.

704
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,679
Speaker 2: I assume he had learned some English from fishermen and trappers.

705
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239
In Maine, and he walked into the settlement and said,

706
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:49,079
welcome Englishmen. So caught them off guard. Oh my surprise.

707
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like an alien walking up, I mean, like hello.

708
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: It was during this meeting that the Pilgrims learned how

709
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,199
the previous previous residents of the area had died of

710
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,159
an epidemic, maybe a cursed land.

711
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean they are literally setting up I mean over

712
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,840
their graves, setting up on an Indian burial ground.

713
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: Not great, It's not.

714
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: A good start.

715
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Samoset spent the night in Plymouth and agreed to arrange

716
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,440
a meeting with their chief, Massa Suit, who himself came

717
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,079
into the colony on March twenty second. Massa Suit was

718
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:31,559
cautious about the Pilgrims, as several men of his tribe

719
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:34,639
had already been killed by English sailors, not the people

720
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:37,119
of Plymouth, but they've encountered in English.

721
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: The passers through. Yeah.

722
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,159
Speaker 2: He also knew that the Pilgrims had taken some of

723
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,079
corn stores in their lands.

724
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: They stole their corn. Yeah, desperate times.

725
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:56,159
Speaker 2: His right hand man that you mentioned earlier, Squanto, had

726
00:38:56,199 --> 00:39:01,440
been abducted in sixteen fourteen by English explorer Thomas Hunt.

727
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,599
And had spent five years in Europe, first as a

728
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,239
slave for a group of Spanish monks, then as a

729
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,639
freeman in England. He had returned to New England in

730
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,079
sixteen nineteen acting as a guide to explore Captain Robert Gorges.

731
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,960
But massa Suit and his men massacred the crew of

732
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,599
that ship and took Squanto for themselves as a slave.

733
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:28,079
I guess maybe initially, but he kind of integrated into

734
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:32,320
the tribe, kind of became his counsel.

735
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,679
Speaker 1: I mean, an interpreter's pretty handy. You're like, I'm pretty

736
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,360
sure more of these assholes are coming by.

737
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, this dude had a pretty interesting life. We'll probably

738
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:41,679
do an episode on Squanto.

739
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent of his years in England slave

740
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,400
for Spanish monks and got to England somehow. Real quick.

741
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Speaker 2: Ultimately, they signed a treaty with John Carver, the governor

784
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,920
of Plymouth at the time, and Massa Suit believed it

785
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,440
was in their best interest to develop allies to help

786
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:27,159
battle against the Narroworgantics tribe who was encroaching on their

787
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,360
land and trying to absorb the Wampanoagues.

788
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: Now I was told that we taught them how to

789
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,519
be violent.

790
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: H No, now they they had another trib kind of

791
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,039
coming in on their territory.

792
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, another thing, I want to do

793
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,880
a full episode on it. But another thing, And I

794
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,559
actually didn't know this, so I'm an ignorant piece of

795
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:53,159
shit that people don't realize. Is like, because you kind

796
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,360
of think of the Aztecs and I think they use

797
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,159
a lot of like stone weapons and stuff like that.

798
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,320
So like there's not a lot of talk of like

799
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,079
a Native American metalworking, but they actually did. They were

800
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,519
like I would call it like bronze age, like especially

801
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,320
up in Michigan and stuff like that. But they traded

802
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,679
copper all the way down through Mexico more obviously, Like

803
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,719
I don't know, it's just annoying whenever any any party

804
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,039
flattens the complex nature of Native American or just human culture,

805
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,400
human being. Yeah, yeahah, people.

806
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,599
Speaker 2: Being a little bit more complex and nuanced.

807
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: Weird, weird. They were neither. They were neither noble savages

808
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,159
or I guess the other side would just be like

809
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,440
savage savages, like I don't know.

810
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:46,159
Speaker 2: The treaty ensured that each people would not bring harm

811
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,679
to one another and that they would come to each

812
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:53,280
other's aid in time of war against the or organics. Squanta,

813
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,280
being a man that knew both cultures incredibly well, would

814
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,039
often use this to his advantage and play both sides.

815
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: That is funny by the way, they're like, you, you

816
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,000
will come help us fight our enemies. There's like fifty

817
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:08,800
of them. They're like, okay, God, just give us corn.

818
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: Like we got some guns. I guess we'll share. You

819
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,519
had a shoot, Yeah, we've got to. We've we've got

820
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:16,599
a smartillery, We've got.

821
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:20,079
Speaker 1: A canon the size of a tennis ball holder, and

822
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,840
uh five buskets. We'll see what we could do.

823
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: So he would play both sides, receive rewards and gifts

824
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,760
for information that he gave to both the natives and

825
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,679
the people Plymouth. He also showed the Plymouth colony how

826
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,599
to plant manage corn and was a valuable interpreter.

827
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,079
Speaker 1: See we learned that in school he taught them how

828
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,239
to plant corn. Squanta, I like to I like to

829
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,599
imagine that the pilgrims actually just didn't know how to

830
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:48,199
plant anything. He was like, ground grow.

831
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: Eventually, Uh, we're not really gonna cover this, but massa

832
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Suit and Squanto beef because he finds out the Squanto

833
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,079
is kind of a snake. Yeah, it's just looking out

834
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:05,800
for number one. So the Plymouth colony kind of hides

835
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,559
Squanto protects Squanto. He eventually dies of a fever because

836
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,920
Massa Suit wanted to like he put a hit on

837
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:12,280
his head.

838
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: Nice, I just it is funny to me. He's like,

839
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,880
here's how you plant corn? What do you mean one

840
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,199
of the guys was a farmer? What do you mean

841
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,840
he doesn't know how to plant? It speaks a lot

842
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,559
to them, not just I'm not like I don't know

843
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,639
if there's like a I'm sure there's a better way

844
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:29,880
to grow corn than we eat, et cetera. But like

845
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,840
it feels like they should have gotten the gist of it.

846
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think he I mean they just didn't

847
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,239
know what corn was.

848
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they figured it out. Did you know that

849
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,840
corn is not corn? So corn as you know it?

850
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,199
Corn on the cop that's a European word in English,

851
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:54,159
where it used to prior to modern times, it used

852
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:57,920
to just mean like the staple crop of the area. Sure,

853
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,239
corn could be anything, so mace whatever you want called

854
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,559
maze is corn. But like corn was just a word

855
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:08,159
for like, oh, this is Bordeaux corn, this is Belgium's corn,

856
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,760
this is like Bavaria's corn. This is mainly what they

857
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,480
grow here.

858
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: Native plant.

859
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fun fact.

860
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: In April and sixteen twenty one, Governor Carver collapsed while

861
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,000
working the fields on a hot day. He died a

862
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,159
few days later, and the settlers of Plymouth then chos

863
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:31,360
Bradford as the new governor, a position which he retained

864
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,039
off and on for the rest of his life.

865
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: Vote for Bradford, he knows how to plant corn.

866
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,519
Speaker 2: During this time, Edward Winslow and Susannah White both lost

867
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,239
their spouses during the harsh winter of sixteen twenty to

868
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,679
sixteen twenty one, and the two became the first couple

869
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:50,840
to be married in Plymouth, Ah. Governor Bradford presided over

870
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,519
the civil ceremony. I think you know, so they bang

871
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,199
and Mary immediately after their spouses died.

872
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: They were lonely. What are they to do?

873
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:04,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and no one's gonna judge you at

874
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:04,920
that point.

875
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: You're living on the moon.

876
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,559
Speaker 2: You gotta find somebody to bang. And also the racetio

877
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,000
is not good. No, there's so many more men than women.

878
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:15,119
Speaker 1: He the guy who lost his wife, was like, I

879
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:16,239
gotta lock that down.

880
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,159
Speaker 2: Before someone else does, because yeah, it's three to one.

881
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: Dude. He was like, good He's like, I would like,

882
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,079
I guess ideally it would be sweet to wait for

883
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:28,000
goodie Rachel. But she's only nine and I got a

884
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,440
way at least three years to hit that, and you know,

885
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:32,599
who knows what's gonna happen between now and then.

886
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: Women in Plymouth Colony had more extensive legal and social

887
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,559
rights compared to seventeenth century European norms. Plymouth women enjoyed

888
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:48,079
extensive property and legal rights, and could be signatories on contracts.

889
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,960
A wife in Plymouth could not be written out of

890
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,280
her husband's will and was guaranteed a full third of

891
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,599
the family's property upon his death.

892
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not impressed by that. And I'll tell you

893
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,880
why they did it. Because they had to.

894
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was a necessity.

895
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was not like, this not progressive. This is

896
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,719
not nobility. Yeah, it's not progressive. It was just like, well,

897
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,920
there's only fifty of us and everyone's doing the same job. Like, look,

898
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,360
we would love to give you less, but it's just

899
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,280
not in the cards.

900
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: In early October sixteen twenty one, a feast was celebrated

901
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,320
by the fifty three surviving Pilgrims, along with Massachut and

902
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,880
ninety of his men. The celebration lasted three days and

903
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,760
featured numerous types of waterfowl, birds, wild turkeys, and fish

904
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,920
procured by the colonists, and five deer brought by the

905
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:39,800
wamping oaks.

906
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,159
Speaker 1: Oh so really you should be eaten deer.

907
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: Get me some venice at Venice and for Thanksgiving.

908
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: I fucked this turkey shit.

909
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: In May sixteen twenty two. Even duck, by the way,

910
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,079
you give me a duck, turduck in whatever.

911
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: Not goose is terrible. Have you heard goose to the

912
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,199
job Maden the tur ducan? Yeah, but then added, you

913
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,000
know a deer carcass. I would say he's just swapped

914
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,960
the chicken. Chicken and turkey is a hat on a hat.

915
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:12,039
Speaker 2: Chickens better than turkey. Swam out the turkey.

916
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,519
Speaker 1: Now keep the turkey. Put some venison on top of it,

917
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,159
like some venison steaks. Over the Turkey, So the venison

918
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,639
juices soak into the turkey and make it taste less

919
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:23,280
like turkey. Why not.

920
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,559
Speaker 2: In May sixteen twenty two, a vessel named the Sparrow

921
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,599
arrived carrying seven men from the Merchant Adventurers, whose purpose

922
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,880
was to seek out a site for a new settlement

923
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,880
in the area. Two ships followed shortly after, carrying sixty settlers,

924
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:39,400
all men.

925
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: Just total sausage chest. Yeah see again, that's why that.

926
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: Dude had to lock it down, had got to lock

927
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,679
it down. They spent July and August in Plymouth before

928
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,880
moving north to settle in Weymouth, Massachusetts, at a settlement

929
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,280
which they named wes Augustt.

930
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: I guess see again, all of those names terrible Indian,

931
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,280
Like the Indians up there just had the wildest names, right,

932
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,800
like Shawnee Sue. That's easy Apache. But for whatever reason,

933
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in the Northeast, the names were out of control.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's why.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even if you in like if you showed

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someone who had never seen the word before the name Iroquois,

937
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even that would be a broomstick in their bicycle. Spoke

938
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like you just they wouldn't get it right.

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Speaker 2: The mighty Susquehanna.

940
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Speaker 1: It's just impossible.

941
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Speaker 2: Reports reached Plymouth of a military threat to Wesugussett and

942
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Miles Standish organized the militia to defend.

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Speaker 1: Them, so eight guys with the Muscots.

944
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Speaker 2: However, he found that there had been no attack, so

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he decided on a preemptive strike, an event called Standish's Raid.

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He lured two prominent Massachusetts military leaders into a house

947
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at Wessugusst. Under the pretense of sharing a meal and

948
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making negotiations. Standish and his men then stabbed and killed them.

949
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Standish and his men pursued a local chief, but he

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escaped with three prisoners from Wessugusst.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. So they weren't doing anything. Were they were

952
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not at war? Nope, And he just murders two dudes.

953
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Speaker 2: Yep, dude, he wanted some. He's kind of been at

954
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bay the entire time. They've been chill.

955
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Speaker 1: Standish is board. He hasn't had anything to do.

956
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so hammer needs a nail, Honestly. Where quickly spreading

957
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on the indigenous tribes of Standish's attack, and many natives

958
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abandoned their villages and fled the area they ran.

959
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Speaker 1: There's fifty of them, and they don't eat good.

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Speaker 2: The pilgrims lost the trade in furs, which they had

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enjoyed with the local tribes and which was their mains

962
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of income for paying off their debts to the merchant adventures.

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Speaker 1: And that's not it should go. It always sounds this

964
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way when you read it in the history book, Like

965
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I remember reading it as a kid. I mean, like, well,

966
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who cares about a beaver fur? That is bitcoin back then? Yeah,

967
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Oh my god, that's so valuable. It is unbelievably valuable.

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Speaker 2: Rather than strengthen their position, Standish raid had disastrous consequences

969
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for the colony. The only positive effect of his raid

970
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seemed to be an increased power of the Massachuit led

971
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Wampanogue tribe, so their closest ally in the region actually

972
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gains more power.

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Speaker 1: They didn't piss off all the Indians.

974
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Speaker 2: No, they didn't piss off the guys that they had

975
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Thanksgiving dinner with. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, we're just

976
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good allies.

977
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were very happy to have us do it,

978
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I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, Like they're like, huh sweet, these

979
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guys a rule them. Glad to her allies with them,

980
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:56,960
this will never backfire.

981
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Speaker 2: And I mean there's obviously, you know, fifty more years

982
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or so of like Indian wars and all these different

983
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things that come from this, and more and more people

984
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:09,440
come to the America's that's for another time.

985
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: I wonder. I wonder if warfare between native tribes kicked

986
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up after contact just because more money was flowing in

987
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from like fur trades and stuff.

988
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Speaker 2: The Dutch East India Company who kind of enters the

989
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fold and they start fucking around with all the pilgrims

990
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,559
and all the colonists. We like they battle them, okay,

991
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,440
oh shit, the English and the Dutch Gold War and

992
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:36,840
stuff like that.

993
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because we take New Amsterdam, the

994
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:41,639
English take New Amsterdam and it becomes New York. But

995
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,599
like like all the French fur trappers and stuff like

996
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that who were along the sort of American Canadian border

997
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and up in Canada and people in that area too,

998
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,760
like the like, I just I just sort of assume

999
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that the native tribes, once they get collected to or

1000
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connected to the global economy and more, like more money

1001
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starts pouring in, if they don't start getting like, oh

1002
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we need we need to go get more resources so

1003
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we can make even more money.

1004
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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when all the French enter the fold.

1005
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they start attacking each other because they're like, we

1006
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need more land to probably like lead, Yeah, either to

1007
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get stuff ourselves or to like lease out to these

1008
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,039
fucking Europeans who want to go hunt on it or

1009
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trap on it.

1010
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Speaker 2: But I figured we get all the way up to

1011
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:33,719
Thanksgiving a little laughter standish kind of.

1012
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: A dickhead kind of you know, ruffle some feathers, idle hands,

1013
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,280
ruffle some Indian feathers. It's racist, dare you? But they

1014
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,199
probably did wear feathers. They did wear feathers. Yeah, I'm

1015
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:48,360
sure it's cool looking. That's the funny thing about. I

1016
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,079
guess it's like they just get mad at white people

1017
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,599
for doing it. But a head dress is actually sweet,

1018
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,360
sweet as fuck. Yeah, like I would personally, I get well,

1019
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especially because the Vikings didn't actually wear it.

1020
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Speaker 2: I would put the horns.

1021
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would put head dress over horns any day

1022
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of the week.

1023
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Speaker 2: Drink out of a horn, though, you.

1024
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you drink out of a horn, certainly, that's wonderful.

1025
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,840
Drink kind of a ram horn, that's dope. Oh yeah.

1026
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:18,719
But the head dresses, that's a look little face paint.

1027
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,760
Yeah it's rat. Get you going, It's fucking cool. And yeah,

1028
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,320
that's just kind of some background on Pilgrims Bradford, who

1029
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,079
was a you know, major player in the area, and

1030
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,800
what led up to Thanksgiving and how Thanksgiving came to

1031
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,760
be Happy Thanksgiving, y'all, Happy Thanksgiving. What did I learn today?

1032
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,119
What did you learn today? I learned that we killed

1033
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:42,199
on the Indians behalf.

1034
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't. We didn't turn on them. We helped

1035
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:47,760
our bros out.

1036
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some who were our bros, some were

1037
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,440
who are who weren't, and we killed the ones who

1038
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,519
weren't in a way we were great friends.

1039
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: Wasn't unprovoked. We were being good.

1040
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,159
Speaker 1: Friends to the Indians, some of the Indians.

1041
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's our boys.

1042
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's the equivalent, honestly literally of being like, whoa,

1043
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,159
he must hate white people. He killed that French guy

1044
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:13,239
and he's like, well, there were he was allies with England,

1045
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,719
so makes total sense. Actually why he would stab a friend.

1046
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: They really brain that into his head. Jump They're like, yeah,

1047
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,480
I know you know nothing about this group of people,

1048
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:27,559
but we fucking hate them, and so should you.

1049
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm making new friends, and I need

1050
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,239
to make friends, do you know what I mean? Like,

1051
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,880
it's not like a oh maybe I'll you know, like

1052
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,639
I don't. It's not like a situation where it's like

1053
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,679
you're out at a bar and some guy you're just

1054
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,480
harded some guy or whatever, it's like, yeah, he's cool.

1055
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:43,400
It's like you're it's your first day of high school

1056
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,760
and you don't know anyone and three dudes decide to

1057
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,480
be friends with you. Yeah, and they're like, hey, see

1058
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,760
that guy over there, he fucking sucks ass. And but

1059
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,760
you don't have any other friends, so you don't know

1060
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,480
anything about that guy, but you don't care because as

1061
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,519
far as you're concerned, you just want to have friends.

1062
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:01,639
So you're like, yeah, that guy does fucking suck ass.

1063
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:11,840
Look at him, look at his pants. Who's today's oler? Uh?

1064
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,679
The owner of that one boat? Maybe for the first

1065
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,880
the speed well the speed yeah uh? Or maybe uh

1066
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:26,000
those those tricky Indians for tricking us into killing other Indians.

1067
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,159
Yeah yeah, massachute. As I always say, no foreign wars,

1068
00:57:33,639 --> 00:57:36,320
keep them, keep us out of it. Yeah, it's not

1069
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:42,280
our business. No. Actually a massive interventionalist, but uh interventionist

1070
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:48,840
send it overseas Sandy, Sandy, do he's fucking Globo's cook

1071
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:53,800
rather rather a Taiwanese person pick up a gun than

1072
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,360
my kids. We need them chicks. Yeah, uh yeah. It's

1073
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,559
either a massachute, that's his name, massa Suit, massa Suit.

1074
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,039
It's either massive suit or the owner of that shitty boat.

1075
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:07,760
What about a step.

1076
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:10,199
Speaker 2: Honestly, his stepdad that made him live with his grandfather.

1077
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just part of the course.

1078
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,159
Speaker 2: And then he eventually moves back, but then his mother does,

1079
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,920
honestly to spend any time in there.

1080
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: A low key shitty person too. We didn't really go

1081
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,159
into it enough. We touched on it. The one who

1082
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:25,639
was like, yeah, the Mayflower can totally sail across an

1083
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:28,400
open ocean. I mean it never has, but it totally could.

1084
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:31,719
Speaker 2: So the owner of the Mayflower. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,

1085
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,400
it's really only gone short distances with wine.

1086
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,119
Speaker 1: But and it just really can't be said enough to

1087
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:42,199
I guarantee you it was never further than like fifty

1088
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:43,480
miles off the coast of anywhere.

1089
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: The hero of the story, the guy that fixed the mast. Yeah, ingenuity, Yeah,

1090
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:49,960
what a guy.

1091
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: No, it's incredible, but yeah, the owner of the Mayflower

1092
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,360
actually is my hitler because he was like, yeah, I

1093
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,599
could probably do it. What not.

1094
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: That's today's episode, boys and gals. Thank you for listening.

1095
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:07,840
Happy Thanksgiving.

1096
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,119
Speaker 1: We love you guys.

1097
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: Tell the story at your Thanksgiving dinner if.

1098
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:14,719
Speaker 1: You like, you can use it. This is the great

1099
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:16,760
best part of the story because there's nuance to it.

1100
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,000
You can use it against your conservative uncle or your

1101
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:22,519
insufferable liberal cousin, doesn't matter. There are parts you can

1102
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:23,440
pick and choose from either.

1103
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, just pick your spots, yeah, and them with some

1104
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:27,079
jabs left and around.

1105
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: The point isn't to be historically accurate. It's just to

1106
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,199
shut up the asshole at the table. So whoever's the

1107
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:35,559
dick is?

1108
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: It's the rock the boat like the mayflower across in

1109
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:38,400
the Atlanta.

1110
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, whoever the dick hole is at your Thanksgiving table,

1111
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,960
your purple haired cousin or your fucking uncle who won't

1112
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,400
take off his boga hat at the dinner table. Whichever

1113
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,679
one you need to shut down, shut them down with

1114
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,599
the parts of this story you liked the best.

1115
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:54,679
Speaker 2: Make sure we check this down on pature on pittre

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have a sports show and other podcast to come out

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01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:07,360
on that as well.

1121
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,119
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait for this week's sports show. Yeah,

1122
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:11,639
I'm excited. This is gonna get a good one.

1123
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: We don't have to get into it. Yeah, especially if

1124
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,400
people are listening to this three years from now.

1125
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,079
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about the twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk about teammate and team B.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for which no one will remember. No, no one does.

1128
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have goldfish memories.

1129
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that makes us happier and sader. But I'm

1130
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:39,599
happy again. Well you're happy. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy.

1131
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:41,440
I guess yeah, I'm happy.

1132
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Speaker 2: I'd be really happy if you check out our Patreon

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1136
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:56,239
pay rent, We'd love you for it forever.

1137
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1139
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1140
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1142
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Speaker 2: Let us collect those pennies of ad revenue.

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Speaker 1: Oh it'll play all day, but anyway.

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Speaker 2: We love you guys. Happy holidays for our Fox. I'm

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Damna Jester. You just got saw served.