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<v Speaker 1>It's time for fun practice in your math True Crime Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>the story is true true, No, it sounds made up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary and Shannon present Crime. Well, we are a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit closer to although I'm not certain we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get there, closer to a trial date or for the

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<v Speaker 1>trial of Brian Coberger. This is the master's student who

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<v Speaker 1>is now been charged with the murders of four University

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<v Speaker 1>of Idaho students. We followed this case obviously for the

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<v Speaker 1>last few years because it is just so incredible. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a problem. Dateline ran an episode recently that shows

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<v Speaker 1>some new evidence, and there is a concern that whoever

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<v Speaker 1>leaked that evidence is going to mean that the judge

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<v Speaker 1>disqualifies it from the trial. This is evidence about Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Coberger's phone. Investigators said they found dozens of saved photos

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<v Speaker 1>that featured young women from Wazoo, from Washington State University,

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<v Speaker 1>and from the University of Idaho, many of them in

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<v Speaker 1>their swimsuits, and several of the women that were in

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<v Speaker 1>the pictures had some sort of close tie to the

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<v Speaker 1>four victims in this case. Xanakernudle, Kayly Gonzalez, Madison Mogan,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ethan chapin. That is that's what they have so far.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have the pictures of the four of the

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<v Speaker 1>three women and the men the man who was killed,

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<v Speaker 1>but that they've got he's got pictures of people connected

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<v Speaker 1>to them. It's not clear what that necessarily means, but

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<v Speaker 1>eyewitnesses said they saw this guy, Brian Coberger, again at

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<v Speaker 1>a pool party in Moscow, Idaho, months before the murders.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd made at least a dozen trips to the area

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding the time of the crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there is speculation that the judge was good exclude

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that was shown on this dateline episode. That is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the evidence, the fact that it was leak doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily mean that the evidence is bad. Right, That is true.

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<v Speaker 2>That is true. The judge in this case is a

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<v Speaker 2>judge by the name of Hippler. I can't get the

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<v Speaker 2>first name. I don't know where the first name is anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Hippler, Stephen Stephen Hippler Hipler said in a pair

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<v Speaker 2>of orders last week that the court's gag order was

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<v Speaker 2>likely violated by someone who was associated with either the

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<v Speaker 2>defense or Coburg's defense. He has ordered anyone who worked

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<v Speaker 2>with either law enforcement prosecutors or the defense on this case,

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<v Speaker 2>to retain all communications and data relating to the murder investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>He went on to say in his order, the judge

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<v Speaker 2>did such violations not only undermine the rule of law,

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<v Speaker 2>potentially person's charge with upholding it, but also significantly impede

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to seat an impartial jury. Now, how you

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<v Speaker 2>would able to seat an impartial jury in this area

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<v Speaker 2>already with all of the press media, all the time

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<v Speaker 2>that's gone by, all the speculation, the amateur sleuths, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's very hard in twenty twenty five to

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<v Speaker 2>have what was once considered an impartial jury right, jury

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<v Speaker 2>that hasn't been tainted by any information about the case. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, he is opened the judge it to appointing

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<v Speaker 2>a special prosecutor who would investigate where the league came from,

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<v Speaker 2>but hasn't made yet a decision.

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<v Speaker 1>August eleventh is the as of right now, is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be the first day of trial. So we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>if this is if this throws a speed bump into

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<v Speaker 1>all of that. One of the other aspects of this case.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked with Howard Bloom before he's an author of

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<v Speaker 1>a book specifically about these murders, and he has a

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<v Speaker 1>new theory that he's working on, which is to answer

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<v Speaker 1>the question why would he do this? Why would Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Coburger do this? And he said, here you have a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who had already gotten his Bachelor of Science degree

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<v Speaker 1>in psychology, decided to continue his studies to get a

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<v Speaker 1>master's in criminal justice, and had finally decided on forensic psychology,

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<v Speaker 1>this science of exploring the recesses of criminal minds, and that,

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<v Speaker 1>as luck would have it, he found an unlikely friend

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<v Speaker 1>and champion to guide him, a professor named doctor Catherine Ramsland,

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<v Speaker 1>a recognized authority in the psychological study of serial killers.

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<v Speaker 1>And what Howard Bloom is suggesting is that the murders

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<v Speaker 1>were an attempt on Brian Koeberger's behalf to impress, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>this author, this well world renowned author and clinical forensic psychologist,

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<v Speaker 1>to prove somehow to her that he's capable of beating

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<v Speaker 1>the system. I'm beating the perfect crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe we're just hearing about this because this

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<v Speaker 2>holds water for me. This makes sense. And all of

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<v Speaker 2>the fascinations with serial killers, all the documentaries, all the

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<v Speaker 2>books everyone has been privy to. Serial killers absolutely have

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<v Speaker 2>a fascination with other serial killers. It's the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with school shooters, same kind of mentality. And as her student,

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<v Speaker 2>as this woman's student, during his two year course, he

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<v Speaker 2>read the professor's seminal works including Inside the Minds of

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<v Speaker 2>serial Killers, Why They Kill and Confessions of a serial Killer,

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<v Speaker 2>The Untold Story of Dennis Raider, the BTK killer. So

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<v Speaker 2>this was somebody who already had a obsessive personality, and

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like he because there's so much that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make sense about why he targeted this group of students. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you may have seen the one girl by the food truck,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's all this thing. Was he slighted? Was he

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<v Speaker 2>romantically slighted? Was he just upset that this was a

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<v Speaker 2>party house he wasn't part of the party. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what makes the most sense, based on what we know

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<v Speaker 2>about this person's psyche, that that that's exactly what would happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and that these students were, unfortunately for them, picked at

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<v Speaker 2>complete random.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah,