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Speaker 6: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I got Julia
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Speaker 7: And I got joining me, I got your cult reject
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Speaker 8: not YouTube course, because fuck them. And I'm on Cult
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Speaker 8: Cosmic every Saturday, and then I of course have my
Speaker 8: own show, Cosmic Peach and then coming up around the corner,
Speaker 8: I don't have like a release date yet, but Colby
Speaker 8: and I are starting a new show. It's called The
Speaker 8: kill Room and it's going to be featured on my
Speaker 8: show as well, and I'm really excited about that actually
Speaker 8: because he has such a different take on things than
Speaker 8: I do and it makes for interesting conversation. So I'm
Speaker 8: really looking forward to that as well.
Speaker 3: That is awesome, nice, nice, And that's really cool. With
Speaker 3: the Culture Conspiracy, I've been dealing with those guys for
Speaker 3: a few years now, and like every few months we'll
Speaker 3: get together and do something. I really do like those guys.
Speaker 3: I highly suggest to go check them out, and I will.
Speaker 7: Me and Teresa are actually going to be covering a
Speaker 7: topic on their show Tuesday, so the show really Yes, yes,
Speaker 7: covering the Saint Klamafia.
Speaker 8: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys are fun. Then they're fun
Speaker 3: to talk shit.
Speaker 8: With with a crazy cult leader.
Speaker 3: No, but you know what, like I just even like
Speaker 3: sometimes they don't agree, still goes great. It's not to explain. Yeah, really,
Speaker 3: I really do like having those guys on because you.
Speaker 8: Can have people prefer that though. Yeah, nobody likes an
Speaker 8: echo chamber, and I think that's why people enjoy when
Speaker 8: Colby and I get together. Actually, I went on we
Speaker 8: went on the White Rabbit podcast the other night, and
Speaker 8: he was saying how he listened to our series called
Speaker 8: blood Ties, and he said, you guys don't really agree
Speaker 8: on stuff, and you'll just hash it out right there
Speaker 8: on the spot. And I think that's refreshing. That people
Speaker 8: don't always agree on certain things. Makes you think harder
Speaker 8: about whether or not you have all the information you know, right,
Speaker 8: And different.
Speaker 1: Opinions actually don't hurt everybody.
Speaker 8: Right mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I mean even with the topic tonight, we're all
Speaker 8: probably going to have different opinions at the end, and
Speaker 8: I'm actually going to ask you guys what you think
Speaker 8: at the end. But there are certain things that cannot
Speaker 8: be disputed, and then there are certain things that are
Speaker 8: up for debate. So we'll see at the end where
Speaker 8: you guys stand on everything. But I'm actually really excited
Speaker 8: to get into the topic today as well, because it's
Speaker 8: something that I'm really passionate about.
Speaker 3: Well, I remember a long time ago when you told
Speaker 3: me you were even working.
Speaker 8: On Yeah, I've been working on it for a couple
Speaker 8: of years now and just keep adding stuff to it.
Speaker 7: That's why I like when I saw that you're even
Speaker 7: doing it again, it reminded me of you telling me
Speaker 7: that you were getting into that. I mean, this is
Speaker 7: probably going years ago.
Speaker 3: Mm hm.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh shit, I gotta get off of that.
Speaker 7: I never actually superad the topic. That was one of
Speaker 7: the topics we never spoke about.
Speaker 8: Actually, yeah, no, it's it's a big one, that's for sure.
Speaker 8: So I mean kind of like the last couple of
Speaker 8: times I've been on the Occult Rejects. If this spills
Speaker 8: over into two parts, you know, so be it. But
Speaker 8: I feel like it's you know, it's early enough in
Speaker 8: the afternoon we might be able to squeeze it all
Speaker 8: into one, but we've been meeting so late at night
Speaker 8: the last couple of times. I feel bad for you
Speaker 8: guys because I just keep going on and on and
Speaker 8: you guys, it's like to it in the morning, like.
Speaker 3: Shut up. No, I've been loving it, thank you, all right, so, uh,
Speaker 3: do you want to get in?
Speaker 8: I mean, just dive it?
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, have at it?
Speaker 1: Have yes?
Speaker 8: All right, Well, so we're gonna be talking about Marilyn
Speaker 8: Monroe on today's episode. And of course, you know, as
Speaker 8: I always say, I think all you need to do
Speaker 8: to sell a mainstream narrative to people is have a
Speaker 8: documentary on either HBO or Netflix with some great visuals
Speaker 8: and some catchy background music, and you will one hundred
Speaker 8: percent fucking brainwash everyone into thinking that's the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 8: And there is no shortage of Maryland documentaries on either
Speaker 8: Netflix or HBO, and they all sell you the same thing.
Speaker 8: Marilyn was a severely depressed woman. She was promiscuous, she
Speaker 8: had a bunch of weird sexual affairs, and she got
Speaker 8: really depressed. She committed suicide. She overdosed on sedative drugs
Speaker 8: and she was found nude in her home in Hollywood.
Speaker 8: I believe her some part of California, and she, you know,
Speaker 8: she did it to herself. And that's all that we
Speaker 8: need to know is she was fucked up, depressed, took
Speaker 8: a bunch of pills, killed herself. And they do a
Speaker 8: great job selling you that story, and they even have.
Speaker 8: In one of the Netflix docum mineries, they interview a
Speaker 8: guy that was her psychiatrist. They interview his family. His
Speaker 8: name was doctor Green or something like that. It's in
Speaker 8: my notes and we'll get to it. But I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't know where you guys stand on it, but
Speaker 8: I've always thought, even as great of a sales job
Speaker 8: as they do, like there had to be more to
Speaker 8: this story, especially because of who she was. I mean,
Speaker 8: you guys can jump in. What did you did you
Speaker 8: always think like, Okay, for sure she killed herself? Or
Speaker 8: did you always have questions?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: I always thought as a kid, I always thought like
Speaker 7: even Elvis Presley and her stories were always like.
Speaker 8: So, Lisa, what do you think?
Speaker 2: I always thought someone else killed her, always.
Speaker 8: Thought that, like, did you did you have any suspects.
Speaker 2: The Kennedys was one, for sure, or the CIA her
Speaker 2: handlers that maybe she I think when I I didn't
Speaker 2: know initially, when I first heard the story, I was like, no,
Speaker 2: she seemed too vain to have killed herself that way
Speaker 2: or just killed herself period. Plus I think that she
Speaker 2: probably initially is she probably was told some secrets that
Speaker 2: they didn't want people to know that maybe she was
Speaker 2: privy to something. And then as time went on and
Speaker 2: I heard more, I thought, you know what, I think
Speaker 2: they killed her because she was going off scripta in
Speaker 2: a way that you know, was threatening to her what
Speaker 2: her job originally was, or that they were. She had
Speaker 2: become some some kind of like, I don't know, volatile.
Speaker 2: You know, they couldn't handle her anymore.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean headless. What did you think?
Speaker 1: I I grew up at a Christian home, so she
Speaker 1: was always the example of, you know, this is what
Speaker 1: a decadent lifestyle will lead to. So it wasn't until
Speaker 1: my later that I was like, this doesn't make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. She was connected to a lot of
Speaker 1: very powerful people and all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: having this great life and everything else, she decides to
Speaker 1: kill herself. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 8: So she was kind of a cautionary tale in your household.
Speaker 8: That's kind of funny to me. But I mean, so,
Speaker 8: there are a few things I want to get out
Speaker 8: right away, because I do believe that Marilyn Monroe, even
Speaker 8: the name the double m Marilyn Monroe, monarch mind control,
Speaker 8: stuff like that to me stands out. It does appear
Speaker 8: that she probably had multiple personalities. She was probably in
Speaker 8: some type of sex kit. And you know how they
Speaker 8: like to use beautiful, famous women in those type of roles,
Speaker 8: And she grew up in orphanages, so it wasn't like
Speaker 8: anybody gave a fuck what happened to her. They essentially
Speaker 8: created a cartoon character out of a real person. Her
Speaker 8: name was Norma Jeane and they turned her into Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 8: They literally bleached her hair. She got a nose job,
Speaker 8: they And so it was to me, I always look
Speaker 8: at if someone has multiple personality disorder or d ID whatever.
Speaker 8: They're usually the ones that start off as normal people
Speaker 8: and then abruptly have like a bleached hair moment. And
Speaker 8: if you look at it, Eminem bleached hair, Kanye went crazy,
Speaker 8: bleached his hair, Lady Gaga started off normal but then
Speaker 8: bleached her hair, and now I think she's a trans weirdo,
Speaker 8: which and so I mean, you just look at it,
Speaker 8: and it's like the bleaching of the hair is almost
Speaker 8: like the signal of all right, this person's undergone some
Speaker 8: fucking programming, and now you know they have an alter
Speaker 8: identity in weird yeah, because they bleach their hair and
Speaker 8: they literally go fucking nuts. And if you look at
Speaker 8: any celebrity, even like Lindsay Lohan, she was a ginger
Speaker 8: and she was so cute, she was on the Disney Channel,
Speaker 8: bleached her hair, started faking a British accent, and nobody
Speaker 8: fucking knows what's wrong with her now. And so I
Speaker 8: just think that that's something that you can look at
Speaker 8: as being odd, you know, like why do they suddenly
Speaker 8: bleach their hair and they can become a completely different
Speaker 8: person overnight. And I don't think Marilyn is, you know,
Speaker 8: I don't think she is immune to that. I think
Speaker 8: she's like example, exhibit A of multiple personality disorder. And
Speaker 8: I think that, oh yeah, go ahead. Sure.
Speaker 1: So the movie The Long Kiss Good Night with Geena
Speaker 1: Davis is where you've got this mk ultra assassin played
Speaker 1: by Geena Davis who gets kicked in the head by
Speaker 1: a deer that she hits on the road, loses her memory,
Speaker 1: and then she comes back. The memory comes back and
Speaker 1: she starts to remember that she's an assassin. And what's
Speaker 1: the very first thing she does. She bleaches her hair.
Speaker 8: Oh dude, See, I'm telling you, it's crazy, and it's
Speaker 8: not to say, like if somebody's got a bad breakup
Speaker 8: and they want to stick it to their fucking ex
Speaker 8: boyfriend and they don't bleach their hair like you have
Speaker 8: multiple personnelity. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about
Speaker 8: celebrities who you see go through a huge transformation almost
Speaker 8: overnight with the bleaching of the hair and like the
Speaker 8: complete identity switch. And she really pushed the blood diamonds.
Speaker 8: She was like the spokesperson for that. You know, diamonds
Speaker 8: are a girl's best friend. We got a comment, Hey,
Speaker 8: what's up?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 8: And so I mean, I think and Nick is probably
Speaker 8: gonna give you more information than I can about this,
Speaker 8: And I'm actually kind of glad we're covering this with
Speaker 8: him because I've found weird numbers surrounding her and I've
Speaker 8: always had an idea of what I think they mean,
Speaker 8: but Nick might be able to elaborate on this. But
Speaker 8: there's a lot of eights around Maryland. So I mean,
Speaker 8: I've always thought of the eight as like the snake
Speaker 8: eating its tail, the infinity symbol. And she did die
Speaker 8: on August fourth, sixty two and six and two is eight,
Speaker 8: so and then like I believe her address had some
Speaker 8: aids in it, And I mean, what do you think
Speaker 8: about that, nick, because you probably know more about that shit.
Speaker 1: Than I do.
Speaker 3: It's just the eight.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's numerical. I mean I like it because
Speaker 7: of the magician. I think it does show like the
Speaker 7: continuation of cycles of like life and death shows a
Speaker 7: unyoked eyes sense. For me, it's a pretty deeply occulted
Speaker 7: in my opinion, shape or number or sigil. The hell
Speaker 7: did you want to add anything on that yourself?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like so much society, right, Fives, eights,
Speaker 1: and thirteen seems to be like the pattern breakers. Right.
Speaker 1: So for five, you know, you've got the perfection of
Speaker 1: the four being the four side stability, and then the
Speaker 1: fifth is like the pattern breaker, and then you've got
Speaker 1: the seven, like the seven planets and all the rest
Speaker 1: of these holy sevens. And then the pattern breaker would
Speaker 1: be the eight twelve, you know, twelve signs of the zodiac,
Speaker 1: all the rest of that stuff. In theteen. You know,
Speaker 1: these are the ones that sort of stand out in
Speaker 1: numerology is being the pattern breaker. And if you look
Speaker 1: at her role as being the you know, putting to
Speaker 1: bed all the nineteen fifties sort of value based systems,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of that cautionary tale.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: She was the kind of pattern breaker on that whole
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties moral aesthetic.
Speaker 8: And I think, you know, I've talked to Sean Can
Speaker 8: about this a little bit too, and he has this
Speaker 8: whole octagon theory and the gosh, what is that thing
Speaker 8: that he's always talking about in Satanism? It's like a
Speaker 8: cube that keeps extruding from itself. What is that thing called?
Speaker 8: Do you know what I'm talking about. It's like a
Speaker 8: cube within a cube within a cube, and it just yeah,
Speaker 8: and it just keeps going out, and it's like an
Speaker 8: eight sided and it just keeps expanding. And that's also
Speaker 8: why they use the octagon and like sporting stuff and
Speaker 8: the eight sided. It's just there's the tesseract. Yeah, there
Speaker 8: you go. Yeah, So, I mean, I do believe that
Speaker 8: the eight is significant. I went on a Google search
Speaker 8: one day and I just googled like major tragedies that
Speaker 8: happened in August and like a lot of fucking shit.
Speaker 8: It's like they specifically use August to conduct a lot
Speaker 8: of these fucking rituals and shit. And I don't find
Speaker 8: it at all. A coincidence. She died August fourth in
Speaker 8: an eight year sixty two, So it's just that stuck
Speaker 8: out to me. And without even getting into too much
Speaker 8: conspiracy theory stuff right off the bat, there is one
Speaker 8: more thing I want to mention though, before I get
Speaker 8: into like the like the autopsy findings. But you guys
Speaker 8: are familiar with Eyes White Shut, right, Yes, okay? The
Speaker 8: little girl in Eyes White Shut, her name is Helena,
Speaker 8: and she's supposed to be getting inducted, in my opinion,
Speaker 8: into this this monarch mind control sex kit and fucking
Speaker 8: occult ring of women. And it pretty much shows you
Speaker 8: that at the end because when they're in the toy store,
Speaker 8: she gets led off by two weird guys at the
Speaker 8: end of the movie and yeah, Teresa, I fucking yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8: I did a show with Teresa about the eights. What Teresa,
Speaker 8: why isn't your ass on here? Anyways, at the end
Speaker 8: of Ours Wide Shut, Helena gets let off by two guys,
Speaker 8: and it's almost as if Alice the mom knows about this.
Speaker 8: Maybe Alice is a part of the program as well,
Speaker 8: and she's almost letting them take her daughter away. And
Speaker 8: in the toy store there's a weird scene where in
Speaker 8: the background there's a bunch of Barbies and the main
Speaker 8: focus on the barbie is this Marilyn Monroe barbie and
Speaker 8: it's headless. Do you know which barbie it is? I
Speaker 8: can't remember. It's like, I.
Speaker 3: Remember one of them. I know the scene you're talking about.
Speaker 3: I just can't remember what barbie that is.
Speaker 8: But it's a Marilyn Barbie. I can't remember what movie
Speaker 8: it is, but it's it's a weird scene for showing
Speaker 8: Helena walking down the toys uh toy store and there's
Speaker 8: two guys that are following her and they're obviously gonna
Speaker 8: lead her off and they it's almost like Stanley Kuber
Speaker 8: put the shot of this Marylynd barbie like right there,
Speaker 8: so it's in your focal You do notice that you
Speaker 8: do see it there.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to see it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're supposed to see it. And you know the
Speaker 8: the street that Marilyn lived on was Helena Drive. So
Speaker 8: I think it's significant that they put these things in
Speaker 8: there to kind of link everything together.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's very important the name Helena too,
Speaker 1: because even back to the one of the most widely
Speaker 1: you know read and understood mythologies goes back to the
Speaker 1: Iliad and that was all sparked off by Helen of Troy,
Speaker 1: and they even called everything having to do with the
Speaker 1: Greek religion is Helenism, right, so this is like the
Speaker 1: ultimate prize will also be also being like the ultimate
Speaker 1: you know, sort of downfall of man's right, that concept there, it's.
Speaker 8: Like the Greek goddess kind of weirdness to around Maryland,
Speaker 8: around the eyes shut thing. It's all kind of ritualistic
Speaker 8: and it almost reeks of like ancient religion almost. So
Speaker 8: without going too far into conspiracy, because I did say this,
Speaker 8: I think to Lisa, but without even going down the
Speaker 8: conspiracy theory road, I can prove that Marilyn didn't kill
Speaker 8: herself just with scientific evidence. And so I mean, if
Speaker 8: anybody walks away from this episode with a doubt in
Speaker 8: their mind, I'd be fucking surprised, because I was just
Speaker 8: absolutely appalled when I came across this shit in a
Speaker 8: book and I was like, why don't more people know
Speaker 8: about this? And I was like, oh, yeah, I know,
Speaker 8: because I don't want you to know about this stuff.
Speaker 8: But so, her official cause of death was a cute
Speaker 8: barbituit poisoning, and they said it was a suicide. But
Speaker 8: the medical examiner penciled in a word next to suicide
Speaker 8: and he put probable, like he wrote that in himself.
Speaker 8: He took a pencil and literally wrote probable suicide. So
Speaker 8: he wasn't even convinced that that's what really happened. But
Speaker 8: they did say it was a self administered overdose of
Speaker 8: sedative drugs. That's what they say. But what's weird is
Speaker 8: there were absolutely no trace of tablets found in her
Speaker 8: stomach at all period. No trace of tablets were found
Speaker 8: in her stomach or her intestines. So she had enough
Speaker 8: chloral hydrate and nimbutah in her system to legitimately kill
Speaker 8: an elephant. They said she had sixty to seventy nimbutah
Speaker 8: and nineteen to twenty chloral hydrate tablets the equivalent of
Speaker 8: that in her system. But somehow when they crack her open,
Speaker 8: there is absolutely no trace of tablets found in the
Speaker 8: stomach or the intestine. So, if that's true, and she
Speaker 8: had taken sixty to seventy nimbu tall pills and nineteen
Speaker 8: to twenty chloral hydrate tablets, digestion stops at death, so
Speaker 8: when they cracked her open. There should have been significant
Speaker 8: evidence of undigested tablets in her stomach, because you die
Speaker 8: before that shit actually has a chance to dissolve, you
Speaker 8: die of an overdose fucking five pills in before. We're
Speaker 8: talking sixty to seventy Nimbu tall tablets and nineteen to
Speaker 8: twenty chloral hydrate tablets. But there was not a fucking
Speaker 8: trace in her stomach or her intestines.
Speaker 2: I have problem following, like she didn't really like to
Speaker 2: take pills or something like that that I remember, dude.
Speaker 8: She was a known gagger, and that's right, gentlemen. There
Speaker 8: is no perfect woman out there. Marilyn was a gagger.
Speaker 8: She fucking gagged, she could, and you know what, we'll
Speaker 8: get into it later, but she was a fucking gagging
Speaker 8: ass bitch. And the thing is, I am not a gagger,
Speaker 8: and I don't even see myself being able to swallow
Speaker 8: sixty to seventy pills. Actually, it would have been more
Speaker 8: than that, sixty to seventy of one type of pill
Speaker 8: and then twenty of another, so uh, hello, who the
Speaker 8: fuck is doing You'd have to eat it like cereal.
Speaker 8: You'd have to pour them in a bowl. And fucking
Speaker 8: put milk and I'm like fucking cheerios and eat them
Speaker 8: like that.
Speaker 3: There's no way liquid of just trying to swallow all
Speaker 3: those pills back to back.
Speaker 8: They said that tablets, you remember, because the iconic picture
Speaker 8: of Marylyn with the pill bottle knocked over on the
Speaker 8: night stand.
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 8: So yeah, they literally say that Marilyn had to have
Speaker 8: swallowed pills because look, there's a tipped over pill bottle
Speaker 8: on the nightstand. There was something else that was missing
Speaker 8: in her autopsy though, So if digestion stops at death
Speaker 8: and there was no sign of tablets in the stomach
Speaker 8: or the intestines, there's also another problem is that she
Speaker 8: didn't have any refractive crystals in her stomach or small intestine.
Speaker 8: And basically what refractive crystals are is the active ingredient
Speaker 8: in any drugs. So once the medication starts to dissolve,
Speaker 8: it produces refractive crystals and they're very easily spotted in
Speaker 8: the stomach or the intestine, so you can tell if
Speaker 8: somebody has taken pills. So taking sixty to seventy of
Speaker 8: one type of medication and twenty of another, you would
Speaker 8: have thought there would be substantial residue in the stomach
Speaker 8: or the small intestine. And actually Nimbu tall is coated
Speaker 8: with a soup thick yellow dye, and that was also
Speaker 8: not present anywhere in her body. So if she was
Speaker 8: to have taken seventy of those bitches, her entire stomach
Speaker 8: and intestine would have been coated in this yellow dye
Speaker 8: and that wasn't present as well. So somebody come at
Speaker 8: me if they want to go ahead and say Marylyn
Speaker 8: took some fucking pills, because where are they? Is what
Speaker 8: I'd say.
Speaker 7: Somebody even mentioned, I mean, there was a good chance
Speaker 7: that we think you'd say, getting did they mention if
Speaker 7: there she puked, vomited or anything like that.
Speaker 8: So I'm actually gonna get into that, but I'll tell
Speaker 8: you right now. The first officer on the scene, his
Speaker 8: name was Sergeant Jack Clemens, and he noted when he
Speaker 8: walked into Maryland's bedroom that there was no regurgitated material
Speaker 8: anywhere in the bedroom, bathroom, or near Maryland at all.
Speaker 8: So he he had actually reported to many suicides, and
Speaker 8: he knew because he had seen them several times that
Speaker 8: when a person takes that many pills before they can
Speaker 8: even all start to digest and kill the person. Their
Speaker 8: body goes in evacuation mode and it literally starts fucking
Speaker 8: spewing and going.
Speaker 3: Up as a way of your body even saying like
Speaker 3: you're doing too much drugs, right.
Speaker 8: Right, So imagine taking sixty to seventy nimbutohl in twenty which,
Speaker 8: by the way, chloral hydrate is date rate drug, or
Speaker 8: it used to be a form of it. So I
Speaker 8: don't know why you'd want to kill yourself in that way,
Speaker 8: but fuck that, you know what I'm saying. She took
Speaker 8: twenty of those and there was no regurgitative material anywhere.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it also at one point considered a hypnotic chlorohydrate.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So imagine wanting to kill yourself in that way,
Speaker 8: because then you tall the sleeping pill that wouldn't do
Speaker 8: it for you. You had it on top of that
Speaker 8: roofie yourself. I'll look at this loral hydrate as a
Speaker 8: mood stabilizer for sleep disorders. Well, I don't think she actually,
Speaker 8: this is a good point to bring up. She did
Speaker 8: not have access to the drugs in the amount that
Speaker 8: killed her because she was seeing a psychiatrist. They were
Speaker 8: trying to wean her off. They said she had a
Speaker 8: serious problem. And the prescription that she had wasn't even
Speaker 8: in the amount of the the the levels that she
Speaker 8: had in her system. So she maybe had a prescription
Speaker 8: for let's say, like twenty sleeping pills and they find
Speaker 8: sixty to seventy in her bloodstream, and then another twenty
Speaker 8: of chloral hydrate, which she didn't even have a prescription for.
Speaker 8: She had a prescription for Nimbutohl maybe twenty tablets, but
Speaker 8: not for chloral hydrate, and not in the amounts that
Speaker 8: were found in her bloodstream. And they were like, well,
Speaker 8: she's Marilyn Monroe. She could have bought them from someone.
Speaker 8: She didn't have pills in her stomach, So how the
Speaker 8: fuck did that level of drugs get into her bloodstream?
Speaker 8: That's the main question. And if she didn't take pills,
Speaker 8: because there's absolutely no evidence in her stomach or digestive
Speaker 8: track that she did, how did they get in there?
Speaker 8: And did Marilyn do it to herself? I fucking think not,
Speaker 8: because think of the entry points, right, did she inject it? Well,
Speaker 8: they searched her whole body and there was no injection
Speaker 8: site wound anywhere. They checked in between her toes, in
Speaker 8: between her fingers. Nothing there, So what is the only
Speaker 8: other way you could get that amount of drugs introduced
Speaker 8: that quickly into the body to basically have that big
Speaker 8: of a payload. And that's where the rest of the
Speaker 8: fucking autopsy report comes in. Because she had bruises on
Speaker 8: the backs of her legs and the backs of her arms,
Speaker 8: and a big ass bruise on one of her butt cheeks,
Speaker 8: and it looked like she had been held down, like
Speaker 8: somebody had literally held her arms and legs down, and
Speaker 8: her colon was purple and swollen and literally looked like
Speaker 8: it was turned inside out. And so yes to the
Speaker 8: comment earlier, they fucking boofed it.
Speaker 3: I didn't think you're actually going to go there.
Speaker 8: Yes, her her colon was so purple and swollen that
Speaker 8: they made several notes about it in the audience.
Speaker 3: I was just making up for the gag.
Speaker 8: The gagging. I don't know right for that.
Speaker 2: If they did so here, But that would make sense though,
Speaker 2: That would make sense because, like you said, I think,
Speaker 2: and I looked it up really quickly, the nemetal within
Speaker 2: fifteen to thirty minutes taking an OD amount, you start
Speaker 2: to OD within fifteen to thirty minutes. That is not
Speaker 2: enough time to even digest any of the amount of
Speaker 2: pill that they would give you. And again she didn't
Speaker 2: have pills, say that they were pills. You would still
Speaker 2: see leftover pills. But to get that amount of dosage
Speaker 2: in that much of your bloodstream and quickly, there would
Speaker 2: have to be a direct route to the bloodstream without.
Speaker 8: A doubt, right, and you would die before the levels
Speaker 8: reached that far into your bloodstream with an oral overdose.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 8: So we have to think if.
Speaker 3: What I didn't know how this could put up the
Speaker 3: just so I was like, why are comments popping up?
Speaker 8: Did you want to add something to that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, he was just riffing off of that. He said,
Speaker 1: no boof reflex. But yeah, I mean, obviously, if things
Speaker 1: aren't adding up, and they're and they're noting all these peculiarities,
Speaker 1: where's the investigation. You know, you've got millions of fans
Speaker 1: out there and they can't organize to find out what
Speaker 1: actually happened. I mean, are we that cut off from
Speaker 1: the system at law? That's that's a real question, because
Speaker 1: it's not just hers, all the rest of these cases,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, And I mean for me, when I heard
Speaker 8: about her colon, And I know it's funny because it is.
Speaker 8: But the problem is is nobody likes to talk about
Speaker 8: the bruises that she had on the backs of her legs,
Speaker 8: in her arms. Nobody's if she killed herself, how the
Speaker 8: fuck did she get those? And her colon was so
Speaker 8: bruised and purple that it was obvious that that's the
Speaker 8: entry point for this massive It was like, well, it
Speaker 8: was such an overdose that she was dead within minutes.
Speaker 8: And there's actually other parts of the autopsy report that
Speaker 8: fucking support that theory too. But go ahead, Nick, what
Speaker 8: were you gonna say?
Speaker 3: I was wondering too.
Speaker 7: Listen, just stuff could have been still stuck up there
Speaker 7: for you know, pills or whatever. But again, was the
Speaker 7: level so high that you wouldn't even absorb all of
Speaker 7: that to be well, like if you get to die
Speaker 7: before you even get that high again, but did it?
Speaker 7: I still wouldn't think it would be absorbed that way.
Speaker 7: I'm still thinking it was a a jab.
Speaker 8: With the corner and the medical examiner, they both agreed, well,
Speaker 8: she would have had to have a liquid enema, and
Speaker 8: so if you've ever seen the type of yes, it
Speaker 8: was a liquid form because you want to introduce it
Speaker 8: so fast into the body that it absorbs rapidly and
Speaker 8: kills the pricing almost instantly. Yeah, so what they what
Speaker 8: they the conclusion was based on the autopsy is, I
Speaker 8: don't know if you've ever seen them, but there's two
Speaker 8: types of enemas. There's like a bag and a hose,
Speaker 8: where like you fill a bag up and you run
Speaker 8: a hose up your ass, and then there's another type
Speaker 8: of enema where it's almost like a bulb and it
Speaker 8: has like the long hope, like a long tube on
Speaker 8: itt and you just scored it really fast and then
Speaker 8: it like flushes you and you just go about your day.
Speaker 8: They decided, based on the autopsy findings that it would
Speaker 8: have probably been one of those bold type enemas that
Speaker 8: were they literally put it in her ass, squeezed it,
Speaker 8: and she was dead almost instantly because of the overload
Speaker 8: of they put it in such a high concentration when
Speaker 8: they squirted it in there, she was probably dead within
Speaker 8: like a minute, maybe maybe less than sixty seconds. And
Speaker 8: so the the other reason they say that is because
Speaker 8: Marilyn had cyanosis, which is something that you see when
Speaker 8: someone dies in a really rapid way suffocation, drowning, massive overdose,
Speaker 8: Like if you shot up and you died like right
Speaker 8: after you shot up, you would have cyinosis. And it's
Speaker 8: basically where he turned blue from oxygen being cut off.
Speaker 8: So why would you have that if you died a
Speaker 8: slow agonizing pill overdose, because it takes a long time.
Speaker 8: It's like Lisa said, maybe even thirty minutes for you
Speaker 8: to even start overdosing on setative drugs. And Marylyn showed
Speaker 8: signs of cygnosis, which means she died so rapidly that
Speaker 8: she literally turned blue. Like if she got suffocated or drowned.
Speaker 2: It looks like hypothermia, like your finger does, all your
Speaker 2: fingernails from blue, your extremities from blue. Sometimes even your
Speaker 2: ears or whatever cut off, and so you start to
Speaker 2: lose blood flow to these extremities and serve because you're
Speaker 2: having pulmonary heart issues in order to circulate that oxygen
Speaker 2: to these extremities. So she had particular margin.
Speaker 8: Yes she did. And so it's just like I was
Speaker 8: saying before, when you die of a sedative drug overdose
Speaker 8: by oral ingestion, there are several things you can look for.
Speaker 8: Vomiting pills, the digestive track, refractive crystals, and you usually
Speaker 8: don't have huge bruises all over the back of your box,
Speaker 8: and you don't have syinosis. So that with her colon
Speaker 8: showing like literal signs of uh something being injected in.
Speaker 3: There, trauma something like that.
Speaker 8: Yes, and I mean this is what the medical examiner
Speaker 8: and his name was Thomas Negucci, and he actually did,
Speaker 8: like John Belushi's autopsy. He he's actually got a lot
Speaker 8: of really famous people and done their autopsies. But the
Speaker 8: thing is, he was so confused by them keeping on
Speaker 8: saying that she had to have died of an overdose
Speaker 8: that he wanted to prove to everyone that there's no
Speaker 8: way she could have. So he wanted all of her
Speaker 8: organs retested, and he did the initial tests, came up
Speaker 8: with this conclusion, wanted to prove it to everyone, so
Speaker 8: he said, okay, we're going to retest all of her organs.
Speaker 8: And then when they went to go do that, just
Speaker 8: so happens somebody had hallowed Marylyn out and her fucking
Speaker 8: organs went missing, so they couldn't even retest them. Somebody
Speaker 8: literally took all of her organs put them in a
Speaker 8: fucking bag and they disappeared, so they could never be retested,
Speaker 8: and they only had the original autopsy report from the
Speaker 8: medical examiner to go off of. Nobody could retest them.
Speaker 8: Nobody could fucking literally, you guys, if that doesn't reek
Speaker 8: to you of a setup, I don't know what else
Speaker 8: to tell you. I mean, why on earth would somebody's
Speaker 8: internal organs go missing overnight? And when she got to
Speaker 8: the morgue, her fucking body apparently went missing for a
Speaker 8: long amount of time and then she turned back up,
Speaker 8: and fucking I mean, they just they were trying to
Speaker 8: hide so much stuff in such a short duration of time.
Speaker 8: And then all of the original notes and stuff from
Speaker 8: the medical examiner were put in a file and they
Speaker 8: were sent to Washington, and nobody ever saw that file again,
Speaker 8: and the only thing doctor Nogucci had to go on
Speaker 8: was his original notes that he wrote down for himself
Speaker 8: from her autopsy. The files they're in Washington somewhere fucking
Speaker 8: buried because they don't want anybody to see that shit.
Speaker 1: You know, bring conspiracysts. I was gonna say, it's a
Speaker 1: big brain conspiracy theorists. We should start a nationwide campaign
Speaker 1: of get to know your medical examiners, right, because I
Speaker 1: mean it seems doable. And if we could take the
Speaker 1: bad medical examiners out and actually have people we could
Speaker 1: trust in there, the murder rate is just gonna drop
Speaker 1: dramatically right over now.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, the club murders, isn't most of them,
Speaker 2: like corners elected the medical examiners are not or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 8: It depends on that can surprise me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even license to be a corner or something.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was. When we're looking at
Speaker 2: best FK stuff that it was very very intriguing how
Speaker 2: some of these corners can be elected in or appointed in,
Speaker 2: not elected appointed in.
Speaker 8: Well, I will say that doctor Nagucci, he's worked on
Speaker 8: many famous people and it's not that they've discredited him.
Speaker 8: They just bury him. So nobody really knows shit about it.
Speaker 8: So I mean, I'm I'm sure that you never even
Speaker 8: heard that name before, and he's worked on some of
Speaker 8: the most famous people of all time and done their autopsies,
Speaker 8: so it's not like they discredit him because he's not lying.
Speaker 8: Doctor Sarah Weck, Yeah, uh, he's got something to do
Speaker 8: with it too, but I can't remember. And actually Sarah
Speaker 8: Weck worked on something to do with John Bennet too.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So these medical examiners, it's not like people are
Speaker 8: discrediting them, it's that they bury them in everything that
Speaker 8: they say. And you know, like with Marilyn, her fucking
Speaker 8: organs go missing, and so it's not like anybody can
Speaker 8: even go back and do their own tests and shit
Speaker 8: and come up with isn't like that the scientific theory
Speaker 8: is to test it twice. They can't even do that
Speaker 8: because the shit goes missing. So I do also want
Speaker 8: to talk about her lividity markings, which, for those who
Speaker 8: don't know, lividity markings are when your blood settles in
Speaker 8: your body after you die. So you can tell a
Speaker 8: lot by the position someone was in when they died
Speaker 8: based on the lividity markings, Because if you died on
Speaker 8: your back, all the blood will settle to the back
Speaker 8: of your body and your head, and it'll be really
Speaker 8: easy to analyze that and say this person died laying
Speaker 8: face up right. But if you move a dead person
Speaker 8: a bunch of times, they'll get multiple lividity markings because
Speaker 8: the blood will start to settle. You flip them around,
Speaker 8: they'll get a secondary live marking, you flip them around again,
Speaker 8: they'll get what's called the tertiary lividity marking. So when
Speaker 8: the when Sergeant Clemens arrived on the scene, they said
Speaker 8: that Marilyn had not been moved at all, that that's
Speaker 8: how they found her, that's how she died, and no
Speaker 8: questions asked. This is this is how they find her.
Speaker 8: And she she's laying in what's called the soldier's position,
Speaker 8: which is face down with her arms and her legs
Speaker 8: straight down by her sides. And they say that she
Speaker 8: wasn't moved at all after she died, and that she
Speaker 8: just took a bunch of pills and just laid there
Speaker 8: with her head hanging off the bed and died. But
Speaker 8: she had not only secondary lividity markings, she had tertiary
Speaker 8: lividity markings, which means she had been flipped three times
Speaker 8: after she died, and with the bruises that she had
Speaker 8: on her body, it would appear based on forensic evidence.
Speaker 8: This is not my opinion, that she died in a
Speaker 8: face down position being held down which caused the bruises,
Speaker 8: and then she was flipped over onto her back face
Speaker 8: up for a considerable period of time, which caused secondary marketings.
Speaker 8: And then she was flipped over again in the face
Speaker 8: down death position and left there until the police arrived.
Speaker 8: So she was on one two, three times flipped after death.
Speaker 8: And again, I don't know a lot of dead people
Speaker 8: who get the fuck up and start flipping themselves around.
Speaker 8: But explain to me how if she committed suicide, she
Speaker 8: was able to, fucking as a dead corpse flip herself
Speaker 8: around three or four times and then you know, get
Speaker 8: in the face down soldier's position before the cops arrive.
Speaker 8: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: A thing left and shot herself in the back of
Speaker 3: the head.
Speaker 2: I was going to say that the face down position
Speaker 2: agrees with the enema theory.
Speaker 8: Yes it did, and it also does it makes sense
Speaker 8: if she died in a face down position of a
Speaker 8: sedative drug overdose, why she wouldn't have vomited and why
Speaker 8: there would be no regurgitated material anywhere near her body.
Speaker 8: If she died in a face down position with her
Speaker 8: head hanging off the bed, now.
Speaker 7: Something else on her back, I would think puking would
Speaker 7: even be more of a reason for death.
Speaker 8: Well, and there there's no puke, and there's no evidence.
Speaker 3: That you can actually from that type if you swallowed
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 8: And actually the medical examiner said her stomach was empty
Speaker 8: and that she hadn't even eaten that day, and that
Speaker 8: she had drank some water. But that's it, and that,
Speaker 8: in my opinion, makes me think she was highly stressed out.
Speaker 8: Because I don't know about any of you ladies out there,
Speaker 8: but if I'm in a highly stressful situation, the last
Speaker 8: thing I'm worried about doing is eating. And like all
Speaker 8: day supposedly she was having arguments with Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 8: that he showed up at the house first thing in
Speaker 8: the morning, that he was slamming shit around, slamming doors, screaming.
Speaker 8: The housekeeper and the neighbors confirmed it, and it's like
Speaker 8: she hadn't even eaten that day. She was calling her
Speaker 8: friend and saying she was stressed out, like she had
Speaker 8: a lot of stuff going on, and for there not
Speaker 8: to be any vomit or any food in her stomach
Speaker 8: or anything like this, it just suggested to me like
Speaker 8: she was already stressed out, there was a lot of
Speaker 8: shit going on. She definitely didn't take pills well.
Speaker 1: To me, the lividity marks being secondary and tertiary indicates
Speaker 1: to me that the body was being moved, so she
Speaker 1: might not have even died in that house. They just
Speaker 1: placed her there afterwards.
Speaker 8: I don't know if she did die in the house,
Speaker 8: if I'm being honest with you. And this is where
Speaker 8: it starts to get really weird, because they've the housekeeper
Speaker 8: supposedly this is a story. The housekeeper finds Marilyn or no,
Speaker 8: she doesn't, okay. The housekeeper says she woke up around
Speaker 8: midnight and she saw that the light was still on
Speaker 8: in Marylyn's room, knocked on the door, tried the handle,
Speaker 8: and she couldn't get in. She thought Marilyn had locked
Speaker 8: herself in her bedroom and was having like some kind
Speaker 8: of an anxiety attack because she wouldn't answer the door,
Speaker 8: so the housekeeper supposedly called her psychiatrist to come over
Speaker 8: to the house. The psychiatrist couldn't open the door, so
Speaker 8: he went around the front of the house, busted in
Speaker 8: the window, crawled through Marylyn's bedroom window, found her dead,
Speaker 8: unlocked the bedroom door for the housekeeper to come in,
Speaker 8: and then they took four hours to call the cops,
Speaker 8: and in the meantime called Marilyn's publicist, her primary care
Speaker 8: physician a bunch of like weird Hollywood agents, and then
Speaker 8: called the cops four hours later. Okay, so when Sergeant
Speaker 8: Clemens arrives to the scene, they've already known Marilyn's been
Speaker 8: dead for four fucking hours. And the housekeeper when he
Speaker 8: gets to the house, is doing laundry. And he's like,
Speaker 8: what have you guys been doing for the last four
Speaker 8: to five hours that you didn't call the cops and
Speaker 8: you couldn't inform someone that Marilyn was dead? And she
Speaker 8: was like, well, I've been doing laundry. Who the fuck
Speaker 8: are you doing laundry for when your employer is fucking
Speaker 8: dead as shit in the next room, Like, I'm pretty
Speaker 8: sure Marylyn doesn't need her whites fucking washed and cleaned
Speaker 8: ready for Sunday. She's dead, Okay, so who are you
Speaker 8: doing laundry for.
Speaker 1: Laundry? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Right, It's like and she hated Marylyn too, She always
Speaker 8: told everybody what a dick she was, So why in
Speaker 8: the event of her death are you still continuing to
Speaker 8: do her laundry for four hours?
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 8: The sergeant is looking around and he says, why is
Speaker 8: the bedroom window broken? And the psychiatrist gives him the story,
Speaker 8: He's like, well, I was called to the house and
Speaker 8: the door was locked, so I had to go around
Speaker 8: the front of the house and bust open the window
Speaker 8: to get inside the house. And he was like, oh,
Speaker 8: that's weird. Why is all the glass on the outside
Speaker 8: of the house then, and not on the inside in
Speaker 8: the bedroom.
Speaker 1: That's four hours of tampering with the with the scene
Speaker 1: of the crime.
Speaker 8: You know, right, And think about it. If you were
Speaker 8: outside of the house and you busted the window in
Speaker 8: and then climbed through it to get to Marylyn, why
Speaker 8: is all the glass in the grass outside and not
Speaker 8: on the inside in the bedroom where the fuck it
Speaker 8: should be if you broke into the window, there's no
Speaker 8: glass in the bedroom. All the glasses on the fucking
Speaker 8: outside of the house, which is consistent with what somebody
Speaker 8: breaking the window from inside of the bedroom. So that
Speaker 8: part of the story doesn't fucking add up. And then
Speaker 8: he goes, all right, you busted in this window to
Speaker 8: get to Maryland. Did you do CPR? Did you Nope?
Speaker 8: I didn't touch the body. Nobody touched the body. You're
Speaker 8: a psychiatrist, you're a medical professional. You just busted in
Speaker 8: a window to check on Maryland, who you don't even
Speaker 8: know is dead yet. But you didn't bother to roll
Speaker 8: or over. You didn't bother to administer CPR, You didn't
Speaker 8: bother to check if she was dead. You just assumed
Speaker 8: so and fucking spent four hours sitting around the house
Speaker 8: before you call the police. It doesn't make sense. Anybody
Speaker 8: knows if you stumble upon a person that looks like
Speaker 8: they're in any type of distress, you check and see
Speaker 8: if they're breathing, and you administer CPR. Any medical professional
Speaker 8: knows that. But he's gonna bust through a window to
Speaker 8: get to her and not even bother to check her polls,
Speaker 8: didn't touch it all, didn't do CPR nothing, she's dead, fucker,
Speaker 8: and just sat around the house for four hours calling
Speaker 8: her fucking publicist before they they informed the police. Does
Speaker 8: that makes sense?
Speaker 1: Somebody had to perfectly place that pill bottle over on
Speaker 1: its side next to the bed, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: that was a big job.
Speaker 8: Well, that's part of the next fucked up part of
Speaker 8: the story is Sergeant Clemens says, Okay, there's a knocked
Speaker 8: over pill bottle on the side of the bed. You're,
Speaker 8: as the psychiatrist trying to tell me that she overdosed
Speaker 8: on pills. That's fine, he said, If that's true, why, oh,
Speaker 8: why is there no drinking glass next to the pills.
Speaker 8: So he starts looking the sergeant starts looking around, and
Speaker 8: the psychiatrist starts looking around, and at that point, her
Speaker 8: primary care providership for whatever the fuck reason, and all
Speaker 8: three of them are looking around the bedroom, the bathroom,
Speaker 8: the rest of the house for a supposed drinking glass
Speaker 8: that she could have used to take these pills. Not
Speaker 8: only did they not find a drinking glass, they also
Speaker 8: found out that the water had been cut off to
Speaker 8: Marylynd's house because she was in the middle of renovations,
Speaker 8: and it made it even less likely that she used
Speaker 8: water out of a tap or any type of And so,
Speaker 8: if the water is cut off from Maryland's house and
Speaker 8: there's no drinking glass anywhere, there's no juice on the table,
Speaker 8: there's nothing, there's no glass anywhere. How did Marylyn swallow
Speaker 8: sixty to seventy ninmbutah and nineteen to twenty chloral hydrate tap?
Speaker 8: She dry swallowed him? Apparently that was their theory.
Speaker 1: Jeez, I mean, you got all this stuff up and
Speaker 1: then you got to work backwards, you know, because at
Speaker 1: this point you're never gonna get any answers as to
Speaker 1: the death. But to get the team in place that
Speaker 1: could do that sort of thing. I mean, even though
Speaker 1: it's kind of an amateurish job, they still do a
Speaker 1: better job than most of the assassination crews back in
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties who just left tons and tons of evidence.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: I think they did a little bit better of a
Speaker 8: cleanup job with Maryland, but it still wasn't impeccable. Because
Speaker 8: the police sergeant steps away to talk to the housekeeper,
Speaker 8: asks her some questions, and when he gets back to
Speaker 8: her room, right before the press shows up and all
Speaker 8: the pictures are taken of Maryland found in the nude
Speaker 8: that was the headline, Marylyn found in the nude pill
Speaker 8: bottle knocked over, there goes a fucking water glass right
Speaker 8: next to her nightstand. So who the fuck put that there?
Speaker 8: It's in his notes. There was no drinking glass of
Speaker 8: any kind. They looked through the whole fucking house for
Speaker 8: one and couldn't find it. But right before the people
Speaker 8: show up to start taking pictures, there goes a fucking
Speaker 8: glass of water right next to the bed. So they're
Speaker 8: literally planting evidence in the face of the police officers.
Speaker 8: They don't like no fucks given kind of shit. And
Speaker 8: if she were to have taken as her autopsy report shows,
Speaker 8: sixty to seventy nibutah, there wouldn't have been any pills
Speaker 8: on the night stand to be knocked over. The bottle
Speaker 8: would have been empty. She would have, I mean, to
Speaker 8: have the levels that she had in her body. There
Speaker 8: would have been no pills left in the bottle for
Speaker 8: this fucking whatever, this this photo op. I mean, they
Speaker 8: did it literally just to make things look sensationalized, like
Speaker 8: look at these pills knocked over, and there goes a
Speaker 8: water glass that wasn't there five minutes ago, And I mean,
Speaker 8: it just it does not make sense at all that
Speaker 8: she would have died of a sedative drug overdose. And
Speaker 8: this guy, Sergeant Jack Clemens, has tried to speak out
Speaker 8: multiple times. You can find him on YouTube. There's a
Speaker 8: lot of videos of him talking about the crime scene.
Speaker 8: And you know, he's buried and he wasn't even asked
Speaker 8: to testify at the trial. So they they've done a
Speaker 8: great job. The housekeeper's quarters were separate from Maryland's house
Speaker 8: to so they were. It was like a guest cottage
Speaker 8: with a washer and dryer in it. The main house
Speaker 8: had the water cut off, but the housekeeper's uh uh
Speaker 8: I guess it was like a guest cottage where she
Speaker 8: did laundry and shit and she lived. But also that
Speaker 8: that's an interesting thing to bring up because after the
Speaker 8: housekeeper was interviewed, she fucked off to Europe for like
Speaker 8: four or five years and wasn't able to testify or
Speaker 8: be questioned either because her story didn't make any fucking sense.
Speaker 2: And the housekeeper have enough money to fuck off.
Speaker 8: In Europe, right, Well, that's enough, great point, because you know,
Speaker 8: she was questioned, her story didn't make sense, and then
Speaker 8: she fucks off to Europe.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 8: The night that Maryland died, this guest cottage that I'm
Speaker 8: talking about, and some of Maryland's personal items were broken
Speaker 8: into and stolen. Like in the guest cottage, there was
Speaker 8: a cabinet, a locked cabinet with Maryland's personal journals, and
Speaker 8: the night that she died, it was forcibly broken into
Speaker 8: and all the journals were stolen. Why oh why, if
Speaker 8: you're gonna commit suicide, break into your own journal. Cabinet
Speaker 8: steal all of your own journals, hide them somewhere, roll
Speaker 8: yourself around a few times after you die, clean up
Speaker 8: your vomit apparently too, as a corpse, and then you
Speaker 8: know it. Just the amount of stuff that was found
Speaker 8: at the crime scene absolutely cannot be consistent with marylnd
Speaker 8: just being a depressed asshole who wanted to kill herself.
Speaker 8: It just doesn't add up. And I don't even have
Speaker 8: to go conspiratorial to make this not add up. I'm
Speaker 8: just telling you the literal forensic evidence that makes this
Speaker 8: not add up. And I don't know if you guys
Speaker 8: are into like forensic files or any of the detective
Speaker 8: shows or anything like that, but they always say the
Speaker 8: same thing in those shows, and they say, you cannot
Speaker 8: start off an investigation with a subject in your mind
Speaker 8: and try to make evidence fit that subject because that's
Speaker 8: who you want it to be. You have to go
Speaker 8: into an investigation and let the forensic evidence tell the story,
Speaker 8: and then you form your suspect list based off of
Speaker 8: that evidence. And so if we're gonna do that in
Speaker 8: the case of Maryland, suicide is already ruled off. So
Speaker 8: who do we have left that kilder because the evidence
Speaker 8: would suggest this is a homicide.
Speaker 4: So we have.
Speaker 8: The CIA, Maryland's involved in all kinds of weird fucking programs.
Speaker 8: We have the Kennedy's, and we also have the mafia.
Speaker 8: Because the Mafia and the Kennedys had Maryland's phones tapped.
Speaker 8: They had that she was literally double tapped in more
Speaker 8: ways than one, I'm sure, but they were running train
Speaker 8: on Maryland, the Mafia and the Kennedy's tapping her phones,
Speaker 8: following her everywhere, and they were keeping up on her
Speaker 8: fucking whereabouts and stuff that she was saying. So, uh,
Speaker 8: that is gonna be my suspect list. I don't know
Speaker 8: if you guys have your own theories on that, but
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go Kennedy's c I a mafia.
Speaker 1: Or oh, go ahead on the CIA tip. What you're
Speaker 1: saying about her journals really reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: James Jesus Angleton's hunt for these journals of Mary Pincho.
Speaker 8: Meyer, right, and he with the Kennedy's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was he was hunting for these journals
Speaker 1: that she had basically taken from the entire early part
Speaker 1: of the nineteen sixties, and basically he lost his whole
Speaker 1: mind looking for these things. He was seeing moles everywhere.
Speaker 1: And this is why we have the Oracle Corporation today,
Speaker 1: is because they wanted to get all of the information
Speaker 1: about the OSS and cia Odam's head onto a spreadsheet.
Speaker 1: Before you know, he completely lost his mind and died.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was looking really really hard. And this
Speaker 1: went back to Watergate as well as many other things.
Speaker 1: That was the only thing stolen in Watergate was Mary
Speaker 1: pinche Meyer's journals and so for Marilyn Monroe's journals to
Speaker 1: go missing in a locked cabinet, it seems like.
Speaker 8: And what are the coincidence that JFK was fucking both
Speaker 8: Mary pinchro Meyer and Maryland like he was fucking Boom
Speaker 8: and both of them ended up with stolen journals and
Speaker 8: fucking But here's the thing, because the mafia was running
Speaker 8: train on Maryland too. The mafia was severely pissed the
Speaker 8: fuck off at the Kennedys because they got stabbed in
Speaker 8: the back by the Kennedys after they helped them get
Speaker 8: into office. So they had a fucking bone to pick
Speaker 8: with the Kennedys, and so they could have framed the
Speaker 8: Kennedys because they were so openly in a relationship. Both
Speaker 8: Bobby and John F. Kennedy were openly in a relationship
Speaker 8: with Marylyn. Everybody fucking knew about it, so it would
Speaker 8: almost make sense that the mafia would kill her and
Speaker 8: then frame the Kennedys to make it look like it
Speaker 8: was them because they hated them so much. And also
Speaker 8: there were a lot of other mafia related deaths in
Speaker 8: and around that time, death by massive overdose via Innima bulb.
Speaker 8: That was like one of their favorite fucking things to
Speaker 8: do that you know they that almost is is untraceable.
Speaker 8: You just find a dead person and there's no gunshot,
Speaker 8: no stab, no nothing, and you administer it up their
Speaker 8: ass and it's just they're dead instantly and you just
Speaker 8: go on about your day.
Speaker 5: That was like a.
Speaker 8: Weapon of choice, if you will, for the mafia, So
Speaker 8: for me and Robert Kennedy was there that morning at
Speaker 8: Marylyn's house. Her neighbors even said that they saw him
Speaker 8: and then she dies that night. Maybe they set it
Speaker 8: up to make it look like it was the Kennedys,
Speaker 8: but it really wasn't. But another thing that's weird is
Speaker 8: the CIA plays a big part to do with the
Speaker 8: cleanup because after Maryland dies, who the fuck sends the
Speaker 8: cleanup crew over there? J Edgar Hoover, Why the fuck
Speaker 8: is j Edgar Hoover getting involved in Marilyn Monroe's so
Speaker 8: called suicide, Like, if it's just a suicide and it's
Speaker 8: just dry like that, if it had nothing to do
Speaker 8: with the Kennedys or anyone else, why is j Edgar
Speaker 8: Hoover getting involved with the cleanup crew? Your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for sure it was a matter of
Speaker 2: national security to clean up that and take the journals
Speaker 2: because of her time with the Kennedy's, that it would
Speaker 2: compromise any information that was said. Let's just let's just
Speaker 2: go with blandness right, that it would compromise anything any
Speaker 2: kind of conversations that was said between Marylyn and the
Speaker 2: Kennedy boys. I would be way, Jay Edgar, who are
Speaker 2: but I mean Jaeger who plays a lot of parts
Speaker 2: in a lot of these murders out of Hollywood. And
Speaker 2: I think, not to interrupt you, headless, but like what
Speaker 2: Tara had said in the chat, and I was going
Speaker 2: to bring that up too, And I think you've mentioned
Speaker 2: this in a previous show. She had clearance Lookout Mountain.
Speaker 8: Oh, yes, she did.
Speaker 2: Appearance to some of the highest types of places.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I actually mentioned that, And we are scheduled to
Speaker 8: do this episode. I hope you're on it, Lisa and
Speaker 8: Headless you too. But we're gonna do Colby and I
Speaker 8: are gonna do Laurel Canyon. I think maybe next week
Speaker 8: isn't it. But the Lookout Mountain Laboratory is a big
Speaker 8: part of the Laurel Canyon scene, and only the highest
Speaker 8: of the highest, the Tippity Toppers had clearance to get
Speaker 8: into this place. So John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, somehow,
Speaker 8: fucking Frank Sinatra with his mafia ass like a lot
Speaker 8: of these guys had top secret clearance to get into
Speaker 8: this Lookout Mountain Laboratory. So don't think like I said
Speaker 8: at the beginning of this episode that Marylyn didn't have
Speaker 8: a connection with some of these programs, because she definitely
Speaker 8: was involved in them. I think she was working as
Speaker 8: like a sex kitten in some type of capacity, gathering information.
Speaker 8: And then she might have not even been aware of
Speaker 8: her role in everything, like she might have not even
Speaker 8: been aware of her all to personality, but she was
Speaker 8: definitely serving a purpose. And some people say that the
Speaker 8: birthday party close to the end of her life was
Speaker 8: what did it for the nail and the coffin Because
Speaker 8: she was not supposed to be at JFK's birthday party.
Speaker 8: She was actually uninvited. They said, don't fucking show up,
Speaker 8: nobody wants you here. And what does she do. She
Speaker 8: shows up anyways in a see through nude dress and
Speaker 8: sings Happy Birthday. She was like, not only am I
Speaker 8: showing up, I'm going to be the main attraction. And
Speaker 8: she literally sung Happy Birthday to the President in front
Speaker 8: of Jackie in a nude see through dress. And then
Speaker 8: she danced with Bobby and John F. Kennedy all night
Speaker 8: and all the pictures that were taken. The photographers were
Speaker 8: staying in a hotel and the CIA pounded on all
Speaker 8: their doors that night in consence, gated all of their
Speaker 8: cameras and all of their fucking photographs that they had
Speaker 8: taken and said, don't fucking publish anything about the Kennedys
Speaker 8: and Marilyn Monroe. And then like a couple months later,
Speaker 8: she turns up dead. But I still don't think that
Speaker 8: rules out the mafia or the CIA being in the
Speaker 8: driver's seat when it came to her death. I just
Speaker 8: I'd love to say it was the Kennedy's. I don't
Speaker 8: know if they had that type of fucking authority, you know,
Speaker 8: I think there were people working above them that got
Speaker 8: to make those calls.
Speaker 3: Well, I think a.
Speaker 1: Lot of ways you could. You could go back to
Speaker 1: Peter Thiel's boyfriend that showed up at his birthday party
Speaker 1: uninvited and then he falls off of a balcony a
Speaker 1: couple of days later, So you've got that angle too.
Speaker 1: But I think, really, if you're going to get down
Speaker 1: to it, when Jaegar Hoover's in there looking for whatever
Speaker 1: he could find to clean up this, this whole situation,
Speaker 1: you could say that he's got a long history of
Speaker 1: collecting compromont on a lot of people. And you see
Speaker 1: that with you know, going after what's his name, MLK
Speaker 1: and other people, is like he has to collect the compromont.
Speaker 1: So even as a target of opportunity, you really get
Speaker 1: the idea that this is part of what the FBI does,
Speaker 1: is they collect compromising information and they have no jurisdiction.
Speaker 8: I mean, there was.
Speaker 1: According to everybody who you know reported on the crime,
Speaker 1: there was no crime committed. This was just a pure
Speaker 1: st so there's absolutely no reason jurisdictionally for them to
Speaker 1: even be there for them to do the cleanup. It
Speaker 1: should be well, I mean that should have been on
Speaker 1: the priorities list too, Like what did the uh, you know,
Speaker 1: FBI steal from Marilyn Monroe's house? You know, where was
Speaker 1: that declassified? I guess we didn't get that declassification. Maybe
Speaker 1: that hurts too many people today, but I mean it's
Speaker 1: all tied into the same thing. And really, is there
Speaker 1: a difference from the CIA to the mob? Can considering
Speaker 1: Operation Underworld was basically the marriage of the MOB and
Speaker 1: the CIA, I mean or OSS At the time, you know,
Speaker 1: Operation Underworld it said we're going to let these mobsters
Speaker 1: continue their racket on these ports, and we're just gonna
Speaker 1: supervise them because they're the best ones to be able
Speaker 1: to stop any kind of foreign interference. Well when did
Speaker 1: that ever stop? I don't think that Operation Underworld ever.
Speaker 8: Quit, right, And that's why I say that her death
Speaker 8: specifically cannot be debated at all. Was not a suicide
Speaker 8: based on forensic evidence, But who did it? That's the
Speaker 8: conspiratorial part, because I mean, sure we could say it's
Speaker 8: one of three one of four different agencies that could
Speaker 8: have been working in fucking cahoots together to clean this
Speaker 8: up and to do it. But that is the conspiratorial
Speaker 8: part of it, because I can tell you, based on
Speaker 8: forensic evidence, that she didn't kill herself, but I can't
Speaker 8: tell you who did it. And you know, they did
Speaker 8: find a phone number for the Oval office that was
Speaker 8: scribbled on a piece of paper and balled up in
Speaker 8: Marilyn's bed that was entered into evidence. They did find
Speaker 8: that I can tell you that there were phone calls
Speaker 8: that Marilyn made that night that would also suggest that
Speaker 8: she did not have any drugs in her system, because
Speaker 8: she actually made a phone call to one of her
Speaker 8: friends maybe fifteen minutes before the time of death, and
Speaker 8: her friends she did not have slurred speech, She was
Speaker 8: in a complete normal frame of mind. She was talking
Speaker 8: about some projects she was working on that she was
Speaker 8: really excited about the future, and said that her psychiatrist
Speaker 8: had been weaning her off her sleeping pills and asked
Speaker 8: if her friend had any and if she did, could
Speaker 8: she bring some over because she was having a hard
Speaker 8: time going to sleep. So if she had our taken
Speaker 8: sixty to seventy nimbutoh, why would she be calling her
Speaker 8: friend fifteen minutes before the time of her death in
Speaker 8: a completely normal frame of mind, without slurred speech or
Speaker 8: any indication that she had just taken seventy sleeping pills
Speaker 8: and asking her friend for more sleeping pills. It doesn't
Speaker 8: make sense at all. She also, right after that phone call,
Speaker 8: made a phone call to her hairstylist and confirmed her
Speaker 8: hair appointment for the next morning. So tell me why,
Speaker 8: fifteen minutes before you're fucking dead, you're calling your hairstylist
Speaker 8: to confirm your hair appointment for the next morning, like
Speaker 8: that would be on your fucking priority list of things
Speaker 8: to do. None of this makes sense whatsoever. And you know,
Speaker 8: in my opinion, the way that they sprawled out with
Speaker 8: their head hanging off the bed and completely nude, just
Speaker 8: barely covered with a sheet, in my opinion, is a
Speaker 8: humiliation ritual for Marylyn because she had no makeup on,
Speaker 8: her hair looked like dog shit, she was completely naked.
Speaker 8: You know, they did all this stuff to chad bruises
Speaker 8: all over her body, and that's the photo that they
Speaker 8: put as the headline. Marilyn found in the nude and
Speaker 8: for me, it's a humiliation ritual for Marylyn, because no one,
Speaker 8: I don't care who you are, whether you're vain or not,
Speaker 8: wants that to be the last image that everyone sees
Speaker 8: of you, especially for a sex icon like Marylyn, and
Speaker 8: it's it's dehumanizing. And also for someone like Marilyn, who was,
Speaker 8: like I said, like a sex icon, and she was
Speaker 8: a very dramatic person and she was the life of
Speaker 8: the party, and you know she's in movies, you name
Speaker 8: it whatever.
Speaker 1: She was a.
Speaker 8: Avid journaler. That's why they had to break into that
Speaker 8: cabinet and steal all of her journals. For someone like this,
Speaker 8: why is there no suicide note? That doesn't make sense
Speaker 8: to me. If you take someone with the personality like Marilyn,
Speaker 8: who is literally obsessed with herself, there's no suicide note. Really,
Speaker 8: that just it just doesn't make sense to me. Whatso up?
Speaker 8: Not even like a scribble of something something iconic. I mean,
Speaker 8: you're Marilyn Monroe and you're gonna kill yourself, you don't
Speaker 8: leave a suicide note. It just that part always bothered me.
Speaker 8: I don't care how depressed you are, at least if
Speaker 8: you're as famous as Marilyn Monroe, you might think she
Speaker 8: would have scribbled some shit down somewhere as a suicide note.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure you can let herself be found the
Speaker 3: way she was.
Speaker 8: I don't think so either. I don't think she would
Speaker 8: have wanted to be found with no makeup on, completely
Speaker 8: nude like that. I just I just not buying it.
Speaker 7: It's kind of almost like a mindful like his his
Speaker 7: his this image is sex the less time, you're the
Speaker 7: last image you're going to have of this woman.
Speaker 3: Now it's fucked up.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of That's why I think so. The
Speaker 2: fact that so this is a textbook psychology one on
Speaker 2: want women take pills to commit suicide because women are
Speaker 2: more vain in essence, right, They don't want, you know,
Speaker 2: their head blown off and then that be the last
Speaker 2: thing you remember them. They actually want to look beautiful
Speaker 2: in their casket, even through death. They want to have that.
Speaker 2: And so if Carlin, let's just say, took pills because
Speaker 2: she wanted to commit suicide, and that would be because
Speaker 2: she was vain, then she would have gotten dolled up
Speaker 2: and taken the pills. And you know, even in a
Speaker 2: neglige or something like that, been found that way or
Speaker 2: so to speak right. The other thing is that the
Speaker 2: fact that she was face down and naked does not
Speaker 2: agree with the whole vain aspect of it, but it
Speaker 2: greas with someone that's pissed off at her that once
Speaker 2: for her entire image and for her whole for an infinitum,
Speaker 2: to be forever ruined. And to me, and you had
Speaker 2: mentioned this on a previous show, that the fact that
Speaker 2: she showed up at the John F. Kennedy's birthday party
Speaker 2: wearing what she wore and demanding to be you know,
Speaker 2: allowed in, and to even have the balls to even
Speaker 2: go and see, means that she had that level of
Speaker 2: comfort with the Kennedys. She knew she wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be booed off stage, She knew that Kennedy wasn't going
Speaker 2: to escort her off or anything like that. She had
Speaker 2: she knew in her mind she had that way with
Speaker 2: them that she could get away with it. But the
Speaker 2: one thing that I think that doesn't ever get I
Speaker 2: guess talked about enough, but you mentioned it was what
Speaker 2: was Jacqueline thinking at this point time seeing what's happening.
Speaker 2: She was humiliated, She had to have been humiliated, if
Speaker 2: not Robert F. Kennedy's wife had to have been humiliated,
Speaker 2: and for Marylynd to be found that way would have
Speaker 2: been humiliating for Marylyn. And so to me, it's almost scorned.
Speaker 2: She had the balls to show up because she was scorned.
Speaker 2: She was probably pissed off that whatever had happened had happened,
Speaker 2: and she was going to make a scene, and a
Speaker 2: scene she did make. But then in reverse, I think
Speaker 2: that somebody had, you know, took her out in the
Speaker 2: worst way possible.
Speaker 8: Is I think so too. And that's why I can
Speaker 8: never say for sure who I think is responsible for it,
Speaker 8: because if we can all agree in this podcast that
Speaker 8: it was a homicide, then the only thing left to
Speaker 8: do after that is to look at your suspect list.
Speaker 8: I think Jackie is definitely on there. I think all
Speaker 8: the Kennedys are definitely on there. I think that Mafia
Speaker 8: is definitely on there. I think, you know, the CIA
Speaker 8: is definitely on there. And what reeks to me of
Speaker 8: of this being almost kind of methodical and planned out
Speaker 8: is like original autopsy report, missing original police report, missing
Speaker 8: official medical reports, missing internal organs, missing journals, broken into
Speaker 8: and stolen, all the tapped phone calls, all those are
Speaker 8: recorded but missing. I mean, this is coming from from
Speaker 8: on high somewhere, and could it have been the Kennedys.
Speaker 8: Maybe Jackie was just like one flew over the cuckoo's
Speaker 8: nest after that and was like, you gotta do fucking
Speaker 8: something or I'm gonna start talking. I don't know, but
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just to.
Speaker 3: Me, wasn't.
Speaker 2: The So My whole thing with that is that the
Speaker 2: fact that Jackie knew of her husband being, you know,
Speaker 2: sexually active in the community is that And she really
Speaker 2: didn't have a problem with it. And at that point
Speaker 2: in time, most women kind of turned a blind eye,
Speaker 2: but to be that public was interesting, and she did
Speaker 2: have the ear of Lyndon B. Johnson. Lyndon B. Johnson
Speaker 2: was very Jacqueline Kennedy and I believe so was some
Speaker 2: other higher ups, and so I wonder if maybe it
Speaker 2: was conveniently placed that way. I mean, I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to peg Jackie as the person, but she knew of
Speaker 2: the affairs that she definitely was well aware of it,
Speaker 2: but not not to be embarrassed in front of everyone
Speaker 2: at the party like that. I don't see it going.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: There's the angle too of trying to frame the Kennedy's
Speaker 1: as being responsible for her death because you know, she's
Speaker 1: got this nuts walled up in her bed and then
Speaker 1: you know, none of this stuff may sense. And maybe
Speaker 1: they ordered her to show up at the birthday party
Speaker 1: wearing that dress to make it really look like maybe
Speaker 1: somebody within the Kennedy camp decided to take action. And
Speaker 1: I think that that's a little bit more plausible. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, you basically asked for it.
Speaker 1: You know, the people who are ordering you around going
Speaker 1: to these parties and screwing up people's lives, is that's
Speaker 1: going to screw up your life too. You know, there's
Speaker 1: really nothing you can get away with that you won't
Speaker 1: pay for.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think, you know, if we're even going
Speaker 8: to talk about Lyndon Johnson and like what ended up
Speaker 8: having it happening to JFK, that it was JFK's assassination
Speaker 8: did not There was not a long period of time
Speaker 8: in between Maryland and JFK. So the only problem I
Speaker 8: have with the Kennedy theory that they wanted him dead too.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 8: JFK did die after Marylyn and he you know, Lyndon Johnson,
Speaker 8: if we want to go with. He could have had
Speaker 8: to play a part in Maryland, and he definitely played
Speaker 8: a part in what happened with JFK. He's a notorious murderer.
Speaker 8: I've actually covered him in a separate episode. He hired hitman.
Speaker 8: One of them's name was Mac something or other. I
Speaker 8: can't remember his last name, but he hired this guy.
Speaker 8: Lyndon B. Johnson hired this hit man. His name was
Speaker 8: Mac Wallace, I believe, to go take out this guy
Speaker 8: who had uncovered a bunch of money laundering stuff with
Speaker 8: Lyndon Johnson. And they rolled this guy's death a suicide.
Speaker 8: Even though he had supposedly blasted himself in the chest
Speaker 8: five times with a shotgun and then gave him put
Speaker 8: cyanide on a washrag and covered his face with it.
Speaker 8: They still rolled it a suicide, Like how on the
Speaker 8: fucking planet do you load a shotgun and blast your
Speaker 8: own chest out five times and then go the extra
Speaker 8: mile of cyanide poisoning and they still ruled it a suicide.
Speaker 8: That's Lyndon B. Johnson. Everyone that is Lyndon B. Johnson.
Speaker 8: So and his wife's a fucking asshole. She was fucking
Speaker 8: taking pictures with John Wayne Gacy and shit. So I mean,
Speaker 8: they are all corrupt, ass fucking holes, ass fucking holes.
Speaker 8: And that's why I just you know, looking at Marylyn's
Speaker 8: death or any of this shit. And I do mention
Speaker 8: the connection with Eyes Wide Shut because I think that
Speaker 8: Stanley puts clues about shit into all of his movies.
Speaker 2: I was gonna I look that up because you were
Speaker 2: talking about how there was that barbie that Helena was.
Speaker 2: I think so the barbie itself was the box sugarplum
Speaker 2: hairy barbie doll, and it was the openings scene of
Speaker 2: The Nutcracker, and the the dress that the barbie doll
Speaker 2: was wearing was a nod to the same dress that
Speaker 2: Marilyn Monroe and Jane Russell wore, or I'm sorry, the
Speaker 2: one that Marilyn Monroe wore in gen Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.
Speaker 8: Gentlemen prefer Blondes, That's what it was. So it was
Speaker 8: a nod to Marilyn Monroe and the just think of
Speaker 8: the title Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. And just like I said
Speaker 8: at the beginning of this fucking episode, I think the
Speaker 8: bleached hair is a uh, it's like a dog collar.
Speaker 8: That you wear and it signals that this person it
Speaker 8: has an altar or they're in some type of a program.
Speaker 8: And what really bothers me is that Maryland psychiatrist his
Speaker 8: name was doctor Greenson, I remember, okay, and this doctor
Speaker 8: Greenson's family went on on the Netflix documentary and said,
Speaker 8: my father loved his patience. He would never cover anything
Speaker 8: up like this, he would never be involved in something
Speaker 8: like this. And it's like, listen, I don't give a
Speaker 8: fuck what doctor green Bean has to fucking say about
Speaker 8: this shit, because he's one hundred percent. All you have
Speaker 8: to do is flash a dollar amount in front of someone,
Speaker 8: and everybody has a price tag. I don't care how
Speaker 8: great your conscience is and how much you love your
Speaker 8: patience and shit like that. If you were talking about
Speaker 8: Marilyn Monroe, here, what dollars signed do I have to
Speaker 8: flash in front of you to make you go along
Speaker 8: with this story? Because thank you, By the way, I
Speaker 8: think this shit is important and if I can get
Speaker 8: people on board with this, it's a lot easier when
Speaker 8: we're talking about things that continue to happen. This is
Speaker 8: all staged. It's all a fucking setup, and it's some
Speaker 8: of it is sloppy and they don't even try very hard.
Speaker 8: And it took me five minutes in a Google search
Speaker 8: to find some of this stuff. But you're never going
Speaker 8: to get that in a Netflix or HBO documentary. You know,
Speaker 8: you're never going to get this shit in a mainstream documentary.
Speaker 1: Right when you put it in context with things like
Speaker 1: the Epstein happening, it starts to make sense why they
Speaker 1: would want her to show up at this guy's birthday party,
Speaker 1: because now you've got compromant on him in front of
Speaker 1: the entire world saying, look, they're together right here at
Speaker 1: his birthday party and everything. So you know, that could
Speaker 1: be the intimidation tactic that they were using against JFK
Speaker 1: before they went the extra mile and put the extra
Speaker 1: hole in his head, you know. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the thing. You have to use
Speaker 1: these people around the guys for methods of control. And
Speaker 1: maybe she didn't want to play the game anymore and
Speaker 1: that was the problem and that's why they had to
Speaker 1: take her out, is because you can't have people not
Speaker 1: want to play your game if your game involves you know,
Speaker 1: the ruler of the free world.
Speaker 8: Well, and I also think like Marilyn. It's like I
Speaker 8: kind of said earlier, she was very full of herself,
Speaker 8: and I think she was overly confident that, oh, well,
Speaker 8: you can't kill me. I'm Marilyn Monroe. And I think
Speaker 8: she did start getting a little obvious there towards the end,
Speaker 8: with her infatuation with the Kennedys, with her showing up
Speaker 8: at the birthday party, it was almost like she was flaunting,
Speaker 8: look what I can get away with, And you know,
Speaker 8: as the saying goes, she fucked around and found out
Speaker 8: which she could get away with. And you know, she
Speaker 8: had relationships with known mobsters. She had relationships with Sam
Speaker 8: g and Conna, she had relationships with Frank Sinatra. She
Speaker 8: even had a relationship with this Soviet spy named Frederick Field.
Speaker 8: So there are obvious and clearly visible sexual relationships with
Speaker 8: some of the top mob guys. The Kennedy's, I mean,
Speaker 8: we're talking about this wasn't just your average actress who
Speaker 8: had like an A list friends group. We're talking high
Speaker 8: level military, high level political spheres, and Maryland's right in
Speaker 8: the middle of all of it. And she got a
Speaker 8: little bit brazen, I think, and they just you know,
Speaker 8: had to do something with her. And I think that
Speaker 8: the way that they displayed her body was completely humiliating.
Speaker 8: I think that was on purpose as fuck. And she'll
Speaker 8: forever be known as this depressed woman who killed herself
Speaker 8: and took a bunch of pills and they found her
Speaker 8: naked body in her bedroom. But if you look even
Speaker 8: to this day, there are so many cosmetic lines that
Speaker 8: are dedicated to Marylyn. People decorate their houses with pictures
Speaker 8: of Maryland. I mean, if you go to any fucking Target, Walmart, wherever,
Speaker 8: there's always some type of Marilyn esque thing that you
Speaker 8: can do by to hang up in your house. And
Speaker 8: it's like, would she be as famous as she is
Speaker 8: if this is if she wouldn't have died in this way,
Speaker 8: because you know, sometimes death can make you infamous. Like
Speaker 8: there were a lot of actresses that were just as
Speaker 8: big as Marilyn around the time that she was big,
Speaker 8: but they didn't get a horrible humiliation ritual death, and
Speaker 8: nobody knows about their names anymore so is Marilyn. It's
Speaker 8: almost like I have to lean towards the spirituality aspect
Speaker 8: of this and say, is this another type of twenty
Speaker 8: seven club? Faustian bargain you want to be famous, will
Speaker 8: make you famous, everyone will know you for the rest
Speaker 8: of forever and throughout time and eternity. And maybe she
Speaker 8: didn't know what that meant when she signed up for that,
Speaker 8: but I don't know. I mean, I find there are
Speaker 8: so many layers to this, and she could easily be
Speaker 8: one of those Faustian bargains that you know, she became
Speaker 8: famous in death because of her death.
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to bring up the angle of pop art.
Speaker 1: So one of the most famous portraits of Maryland was
Speaker 1: done by the pop artists. Let me see here, everybody
Speaker 1: knows his name, I forgot, but you've got the different
Speaker 1: panels showing the different colors on Marylyn's face that were,
Speaker 1: you know, originally photographs that they colored in. And it
Speaker 1: was seen as like something so iconic from that period
Speaker 1: because of the fact that you know, this is like
Speaker 1: who all the women aspire to be and all the
Speaker 1: men aspire to be with. And there's something really sort
Speaker 1: of dangerous when you have that type of mainstreaming of
Speaker 1: a certain person as the face of all of that culture.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially when you've got you know, people like
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift today sort of taking on that role of
Speaker 1: being like this you know, blonde pop icon.
Speaker 8: And really Madonna too, the blonde herself.
Speaker 1: Right, the less details and information you get about these faces,
Speaker 1: you know, just faces with different colors on them, faces
Speaker 1: staring back at you, faces having some sort of value
Speaker 1: beyond what you see, keeping them on the shallow end
Speaker 1: is one of the most important tasks for any handler
Speaker 1: or publicist for these people, because as soon as they
Speaker 1: start getting into deeper waters, that's when you start to
Speaker 1: see the problems start to emerge. Because we don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of consistency when it comes between our pop
Speaker 1: culture and our values and ideals. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: of crossover there. So I think for all of the
Speaker 1: Satanism that's coming out around these pop stars now, I
Speaker 1: think that's just sort of like a resurgence of keeping
Speaker 1: people on the surface, because really, who wants to hang
Speaker 1: out around satanist I've never really met anybody who wants
Speaker 1: to be close to people who openly profess their love.
Speaker 8: For you know, evil, you know right well, and you
Speaker 8: know it's It's like, I think Marilyn is an archetype
Speaker 8: that they keep recreating through different people, and I think
Speaker 8: it's a it's a perpetual pattern. Like you said, it's
Speaker 8: Marilyn and then it's you know whoever else. Then it's Madonna,
Speaker 8: then it's Britney, then it's Taylor, then it's and it's
Speaker 8: always like a Lady Gaga, and it's like an archetype
Speaker 8: of this person, and you know, ritualistically speaking, and we
Speaker 8: could get into pop culture with this too. Elton John
Speaker 8: wrote a song about Marilyn Candle in the wind right.
Speaker 8: Everybody loves this song, but he changed the words and
Speaker 8: he performed it at Princess Diana's funeral, and she was
Speaker 8: also killed in August, very rich dualistically, so we have
Speaker 8: another August connection and Elton John immortalizing both of them
Speaker 8: with the same song, just different lyrics.
Speaker 2: And I think when Elton John did that, I thought
Speaker 2: that was a nod to tell everyone that Marilyn was
Speaker 2: murdered just.
Speaker 8: And yeah, and I think a program multiple as well.
Speaker 8: I think that he knew a bunch of shit that
Speaker 8: he wasn't really going to ever let up on and
Speaker 8: you know, to go along with the eights as well.
Speaker 8: She was murdered on eight for sixty two and then
Speaker 8: she was Her funeral was eight eight sixty two, so
Speaker 8: they completed the ritual by burying her on eight eight eight.
Speaker 8: And you know, it's like I said, Diana died in
Speaker 8: August two in the nineties. There's just you know, her
Speaker 8: fucking body went missing for ten hours the day of
Speaker 8: the funeral. Why why? I just you know, she lives.
Speaker 8: She lives in Laurel Canyon on Helen A Drive. And
Speaker 8: there's just a lot of stuff with this that if
Speaker 8: you look at it from a conspiratorial angle, there's a
Speaker 8: ton of information you can gather. If you look at
Speaker 8: it just facsinres from the forensic angle, there's a ton
Speaker 8: of information you can gather. And then you mix those
Speaker 8: two things together. And to me, this is one of
Speaker 8: the interesting, most interesting cases of all time that I
Speaker 8: feel like goes completely unnoticed because you watch a Netflix
Speaker 8: documentary and you think you fucking know everything about it.
Speaker 8: And I don't think it's a coincidence that she ushered
Speaker 8: in the blood diamonds. You know, diamonds are a girl's
Speaker 8: best friend, or diamonds are forever whatever the fuck she
Speaker 8: said expert right, Well, I mean literally, they don't.
Speaker 1: Have dimons in Israel, but there Israel's number one expert
Speaker 1: is the Diamonds.
Speaker 8: Thanks to Marilyn, right right. But you know there are
Speaker 8: so many things too that I don't even know if
Speaker 8: you guys want to get into. But were There were
Speaker 8: conversations that were taped between Marilyn and her psychiatrists that
Speaker 8: later went missing, but they were listened to by police
Speaker 8: officers who later kind of gave their opinion on them.
Speaker 8: And in her psychiatrist's sessions, she would talk about her
Speaker 8: relationships with the Kennedys, and she would also talk about
Speaker 8: how basically she thought she was too smart for anything
Speaker 8: to ever happen to her, that she was very much
Speaker 8: so looking forward to her future that she thought she
Speaker 8: had everything going for her. She had a bunch of
Speaker 8: projects she was working on, and her psychiatrists wrote in
Speaker 8: the notes that it would be highly unlikely for someone
Speaker 8: in Mary Marlin's mental state to commit suicide because she
Speaker 8: didn't have any of the like red flags that would
Speaker 8: say this person is depressed and wants to commit suicide.
Speaker 8: It was the exact opposite. Actually, she was a very
Speaker 8: confident person and the only prescription that she was on
Speaker 8: was some sleeping pills that she was actually getting weaned
Speaker 8: off of, so for her to have out of nowhere
Speaker 8: had this type of an overdose with Like I said,
Speaker 8: the amount that was found in her bloodstream didn't even
Speaker 8: match the prescription that she had access to.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 8: Just you know, it's not you're not gonna sell it
Speaker 8: to me that this was a sedative drug overdose. You're
Speaker 8: you're not gonna sell it to me.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the mob angle is very important, especially
Speaker 1: considering how mob connected. All the movie studios were, all
Speaker 1: the recording industry, everything else out in LA at that
Speaker 1: time was basically controlled by the mob. So it's generally
Speaker 1: been that way, is that the entertainment industry is kind
Speaker 1: of like the slush fund for mobsters because they need
Speaker 1: to wash a lot of money, and a good way
Speaker 1: to do that is through the movie industry because they
Speaker 1: need a massive amount of funding, and whether the movie
Speaker 1: windsor loses, you're still going to wash that money in
Speaker 1: in the in the public you know, uh, viewing of
Speaker 1: these movies. So having that as sort of a basis
Speaker 1: for money laundering is very important when it comes to
Speaker 1: figures like Marilyn Monroe and you know icons or you
Speaker 1: know archetypes like her. Ever since, because we are still
Speaker 1: being influenced by the Mob. I think it's changed focus
Speaker 1: or changed form a lot. Now we're looking at the
Speaker 1: mob being all these NGOs, you know, and if you
Speaker 1: think about it, the mob's always sort of been an ngo.
Speaker 1: You You've always got the dark side of the state
Speaker 1: that that you know, engages in human trafficking, drug trafficking,
Speaker 1: and you know, all the rest of that stuff. But
Speaker 1: the only out of control it is to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. And so that has done that. And
Speaker 1: now we're seeing all these non governmental organizations smuggling people
Speaker 1: across the border. That's just the same old mob tactics.
Speaker 1: They're just figuring out different ways to launder money.
Speaker 8: One hundred and you know, I do think that they
Speaker 8: continue to do this type of shit with modern day celebrities.
Speaker 8: I don't think that it's changed at all. I think
Speaker 8: they might be a little bit more secretive about it.
Speaker 8: But I think a lot of like I said in
Speaker 8: the Program to Kill episodes, I think a lot of
Speaker 8: serial killers, celebrities, politicians. I think they're all actors and
Speaker 8: they're all playing multiple roles, and I think they're interchangeable
Speaker 8: even sometimes. And Marilynd's an actress, she's playing multiple roles.
Speaker 8: I think that, you know, a lot of this shit
Speaker 8: that we see, even with politicians, they're all fucking actors.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 8: I think it starts with them as as children, if
Speaker 8: they can get them that young, because it's like I said,
Speaker 8: they found Marylyn in an orphanage and she's probably an
Speaker 8: SRA times ten. You know, mom wasn't looking out for her.
Speaker 8: Dad was out of the picture, and they just they
Speaker 8: probably sra this woman into oblivion and then they replaced
Speaker 8: her with the Marilyn Monroe. But I also think if
Speaker 8: we're getting back to pop culture, Marilyn Manson said that
Speaker 8: he got his name, you know, as inspiration from Maryland.
Speaker 8: And look at this fucking guy and he's best friends
Speaker 8: with one of the what, in my opinion, CIA serial killers,
Speaker 8: Damian Eccles, Okay westminstere type shit. He also said they're
Speaker 8: gonna blame me for Columbine. So I don't know, pop
Speaker 8: culture wise, again, like I said, yeah, Marylyn had a
Speaker 8: shitty fucking innima death, but she is literally like an
Speaker 8: archetype now she's like a grand high priestess that gets
Speaker 8: worshiped in like many different ways. I mean, I don't
Speaker 8: know what you guys think about that. But that's just
Speaker 8: my opinion.
Speaker 1: Obviously, what better symbol for population control? You know, once
Speaker 1: you reach the top, it's time to take yourself out.
Speaker 1: You know, that whole idea of you know, escaping your
Speaker 1: problems through you know the S word. I don't know,
Speaker 1: we're on YouTube. You gotta be careful, but escaping your
Speaker 1: problems through that is you know, oftentimes the best way
Speaker 1: for celebrities and all these politicians to you know, clock
Speaker 1: out and having that as your symbol for success or
Speaker 1: your archetype of success. Especially for a lot of young
Speaker 1: impressionable girls who are playing with Barbie dolls that have
Speaker 1: her face on it, it's going to start to take
Speaker 1: a toll and you're gonna see a lot of that
Speaker 1: impacting young people in in that negative way. And what
Speaker 1: better example than Marilyn Manson who has always been kind
Speaker 1: of like this poster child of you know self self
Speaker 1: offering uh sort of capitalism. You know, he's playing off
Speaker 1: of the insecurities of these young kids. He's not giving
Speaker 1: them a vision of hope. He's not giving them a
Speaker 1: vision a positive vision of the future. I mean, when
Speaker 1: when's the last time pop music has ever given a
Speaker 1: positive vision of the future. I like to look at
Speaker 1: pop music nowadays and all of all of their descriptions
Speaker 1: of love sound more like a mental illness, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, where's the where's the positivity anywhere? And they
Speaker 1: have all the bubblegum colors and stuff, but they don't
Speaker 1: really have any of that positivity behind it, and it's
Speaker 1: it's really hard not to see that once you start
Speaker 1: to listen to it a little bit.
Speaker 8: Especially like with the Gaga Jesus Christ. She literally has
Speaker 8: a song called Judas and she says she's in love
Speaker 8: with you. I don't know why nobody brings that song
Speaker 8: up more often, she literally and then she did an
Speaker 8: interview with it and she's like, I'm struggling within myself,
Speaker 8: like my womininity, like I'm attracted to Judas. I find
Speaker 8: it sexual, and you know, it's just weirdness like that.
Speaker 8: And actually Anton Levey has a dedication in his Satanic
Speaker 8: Bible too, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Mansfield and uh actress by
Speaker 8: the name of Tuesday Weld, which is somebody that I
Speaker 8: talk a lot about with Sean McCann because she's also
Speaker 8: a witch, a known witch and admitted witch. Yeah, so
Speaker 8: think about those three women that I just mentioned Tuesday.
Speaker 8: Tuesday's got some fucked up shit going on. She's not
Speaker 8: dead though, Jane Mansfield and Maryland look what the fuck
Speaker 8: they got And they're all mentioned in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible.
Speaker 8: So I mean, you know, I don't know's there's definitely
Speaker 8: something more at play than what meets the eye. That's
Speaker 8: pretty much my entire presentation. And you guys, can you know,
Speaker 8: ask any questions or anything like that. It's a lot
Speaker 8: of information to take in at once.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 8: But if you leave this this podcast, if you're actually
Speaker 8: paying attention to it, and you listen to it from
Speaker 8: start to finish, and you still think Marylyn took a
Speaker 8: bunch of pills and killed herself, I don't know what
Speaker 8: the fuck to tell you. You should listen to Joe
Speaker 8: Rogan with the rest of the retards, because this is
Speaker 8: not the podcast for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so unfortunate because we sort of downplay facts
Speaker 1: that are inconvenient and we go along with the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the main pushes with pop
Speaker 1: icons like Marilyn Manson or Marilyn Monroe because You're just
Speaker 1: not supposed to think, right, Like, these are people who
Speaker 1: they put in front of you and say, isn't this
Speaker 1: what you want? Don't think about it, you know, and
Speaker 1: you get those every generation, you get the boy bands
Speaker 1: and the pop princesses. Here's what we're offering. This is
Speaker 1: what you want, and you're not supposed to think. You're
Speaker 1: not supposed to apply your own values to it. You're
Speaker 1: just supposed to see and want, you know. And that
Speaker 1: goes back into the whole Barbie scenario too. You did
Speaker 1: a couple of shows on Barbie that were really good
Speaker 1: talking about how this is like the introduction of a
Speaker 1: prostitute icon into American culture. That's just sort of just
Speaker 1: skin deep. You're not supposed to think about it. It's
Speaker 1: just supposed to be right there, and that's supposed.
Speaker 8: To be who you want to be, you know, not
Speaker 8: right because with the Barbie, think about what little girls
Speaker 8: had before Barbie's. They had babies, and you it was
Speaker 8: a symbol of motherhood and where you were headed in life.
Speaker 8: Because when you're a little girl, you have a baby
Speaker 8: and you put in a fucking stroller and you feed
Speaker 8: it fucking carrots or whatever you do you change it's stiper,
Speaker 8: and that's what you do with it. You put the
Speaker 8: onesie on it. I had lots of babies when I
Speaker 8: was a little girl, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 8: it was like Barbie dolls that had tits and ass
Speaker 8: and you put little mini skirts on them and they
Speaker 8: have boyfriends and then you act out weird sexual scenes
Speaker 8: with your friends and your barbies. I know the fuck
Speaker 8: I did. I'd be like, Ah, this one's my boyfriend,
Speaker 8: and you know you're you know, you're gonna stay home
Speaker 8: and watch the kids, and me and my boyfriend are
Speaker 8: gonna go out and we're gonna go party. And that's
Speaker 8: what Barbie was. It was like a party girl mini skirts.
Speaker 8: And this was the introduction. And one of the first
Speaker 8: Barbies that they modeled off of was a prostitute doll.
Speaker 8: Anybody can google this. It was based and all they
Speaker 8: did to make this a Barbie and not a prostitute
Speaker 8: doll was they removed the nipples and the puss lips
Speaker 8: off of this doll. It was literally the same doll.
Speaker 8: This literal, somebody fucking google it. It was called something
Speaker 8: or other. It was a prostitute doll that you could
Speaker 8: get in like sex shops, and it had red hair,
Speaker 8: and it had like a little short dress on. And
Speaker 8: all they did when they made it a Barbie doll
Speaker 8: was take the puss and the nips off of it
Speaker 8: and they sold it to children and parents at first
Speaker 8: when they saw this doll were like, what the fuck
Speaker 8: are you doing? And they pushed it so hard to
Speaker 8: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Lily, it was built Lily.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was a German risque gad gift for men that
Speaker 2: was based on a cartoon character from the West German
Speaker 2: newspaper Build the tomb, no the tune. I don't speak German.
Speaker 2: Sorry that one exactly.
Speaker 8: See look at that. People think I make this shit up.
Speaker 8: It was literally a fucking sex doll that they took
Speaker 8: the nips off of and made into a child's toy. Yuh,
Speaker 8: so they get rid of the babies. Why would you
Speaker 8: want to do that? Motherhood is gross. Here's a sex
Speaker 8: doll for you to dress up and act out weird
Speaker 8: sexual scenes with. And uh, they obviously make a Maryland one,
Speaker 8: or at least they pay homage to Maryland with Barbie.
Speaker 1: And uh, every new generation they've got another Maryland doll
Speaker 1: that they're selling to because you know.
Speaker 8: These are what are they the collector's barbies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, collector's addition, you know, four hundred dollars Maryland barbie
Speaker 1: doll every ten years.
Speaker 8: And what about what about fucking the high witch herself?
Speaker 8: Kim Kay. She shows up to one of the awards
Speaker 8: shows and one of Maryland's dress, the dress actually the
Speaker 8: nude see through dress. They say that she didn't have
Speaker 8: to alter it at all, that she just fit right
Speaker 8: into it. Dude, bet her ass busted through that dress
Speaker 8: the second she put it on. There was definitely alterations
Speaker 8: that were made to get her into that. You're not
Speaker 8: telling me kim Kay just stepped into Maryland's dress and
Speaker 8: was able to wear it, No fucking way, dude.
Speaker 1: That's what.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 8: Think it was significant that she wore it, though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: It seems like to me, the younger the girl is,
Speaker 1: the more she treats the barbie doll like a baby doll.
Speaker 1: And then when she gets older, the barbie doll takes
Speaker 1: on a whole different personality and it starts to reflect
Speaker 1: what the barbie doll is meant to be reflecting. But
Speaker 1: you've got that sort of stage of development in between
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, these little tiny girls want to
Speaker 1: treat this doll like it's a baby. But then once
Speaker 1: they get older, it's like, well I've already established this relationship,
Speaker 1: but now it has to change because you know, little
Speaker 1: girls are changing too, and it's like skipping all the
Speaker 1: steps that you know young people should be going through
Speaker 1: and just right here, here's your prostitute. You're a prostitute now,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 8: I said that too. I was like, it's just as
Speaker 8: weird to me how it went from from babies to barbies.
Speaker 8: And I think Marylyn definitely played she was. They always
Speaker 8: said how Maryland was curvy. I know a lot of
Speaker 8: people talk about how Marylyn was curvy. The woman was
Speaker 8: a size six. And on my best day, I have
Speaker 8: not worn a size six. Maybe in high school. Maybe
Speaker 8: if we go back to fucking junior year, I could
Speaker 8: wear a size six. But tell me and what universe
Speaker 8: a size six is considered to be curvy because they
Speaker 8: use it now. It's like the fat movement thing, fat
Speaker 8: positive thing like. And don't get me wrong, I'm not
Speaker 8: a fat shamer. I don't fucking care what size you are,
Speaker 8: but I'm not on board with pushing the fat narrative
Speaker 8: onto people, I think, and the ozimpic thing is just
Speaker 8: as bad. But Maryland and curvy, she just wasn't inerrexic
Speaker 8: like the rest of the women that were famous back then.
Speaker 8: They were zeros and she was six. Does it make
Speaker 8: her curvy though she was still healthy?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I mean even that, it seems like they use that
Speaker 1: as like a foot in the door, you know, because
Speaker 1: even the rest of the girls back then that were
Speaker 1: you know, on par or maybe a little bit below Maryland,
Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily anorexic. That whole anorexic sheet came in,
Speaker 1: like in the late seventies, early eighties, and it just
Speaker 1: sort of stuck around as sort of like this. But
Speaker 1: we're the vision we're given of ourselves is always this
Speaker 1: fun house mirror that doesn't reflect anything about where we
Speaker 1: should be going, or what we should be doing, or
Speaker 1: what we'd like to be in our own lives. It
Speaker 1: always has to do with these sort of bizarre visions
Speaker 1: of ourselves given to us by these people who live
Speaker 1: on either side of the coasts, that have no relationship
Speaker 1: to the lives that we really wanted to be living,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, why are homosexual men the main
Speaker 1: fashion designers for women, Like that doesn't make sense. They're
Speaker 1: not even interested in women. You kind of see the
Speaker 1: the skewing of perceptions around the entire fashion industry and
Speaker 1: all this pop culture stuff, because it's like the people
Speaker 1: who want to destroy maybe like they don't like their mothers,
Speaker 1: for instance, with a lot of homosexual men, that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that they really don't like their mothers,
Speaker 1: and so they get into the fashion modeling industry so
Speaker 1: that they can put women in clothes that just don't
Speaker 1: feel good. It's like torture, you know. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at these stiletto heels and stuff. They're just torturing women.
Speaker 1: People don't buy the stuff. It's torture, you know. Let's
Speaker 1: get away from that and find our own values. One
Speaker 1: of the problems is all of these images we get,
Speaker 1: our mirror neurons in our brain start to identify that
Speaker 1: with ourselves, and instead of having a really good picture
Speaker 1: of what we want to do with our lives and
Speaker 1: where we want to go, we end up mirroring the
Speaker 1: outside forces that shape culture, and they really are outside forces.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really identifies with the CIA except
Speaker 1: for a very, very small group of people in Langley.
Speaker 1: You know, their entire lives is the CIA, and they're
Speaker 1: the ones who are shaping culture. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's why they use Maryland as an
Speaker 8: archetype to push like you should look like this, you
Speaker 8: should be like this. You should. But I mean, if
Speaker 8: it were up to me, I would wear soft pants
Speaker 8: every fucking day. Actually I got soft pants on right now.
Speaker 8: I live in soft pants. I don't want to wear
Speaker 8: this shit. I don't want to look like Maryland. I
Speaker 8: don't want to end up like Maryland. So fuck that.
Speaker 8: But thank you guys for having me though. I think
Speaker 8: you know, this is a cool episode to kind of
Speaker 8: break into some people's reality chamber on you know, maybe
Speaker 8: stuff isn't always exactly as it seems, even though you've
Speaker 8: watched a Netflix documentary and you think you fucking know everything,
Speaker 8: Maybe just maybe you don't. But thanks again for having
Speaker 8: me on, guys.
Speaker 3: Of course, No, thank you, thank you. That was fun. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was really interesting.
Speaker 2: I was so on point.
Speaker 3: Thank you should wrap up who me? No, I was
Speaker 3: asking her.
Speaker 2: No, just I mean, I'm glad that you brought up
Speaker 2: all of these points to ponder these points of contention.
Speaker 2: I mean, because they are big gaping holes into the
Speaker 2: official narrative that has existed for so long. And again,
Speaker 2: so many things about Marilyn is completely opposite of what
Speaker 2: the narrative has been pushed. And if, like you said,
Speaker 2: if you just took the time to look up stuff,
Speaker 2: it's there. It's all there, and yet no one has,
Speaker 2: I guess, been bothered to question it or to even
Speaker 2: be bothered to look for it. So I'm I'm very
Speaker 2: grateful that you are, you know, bringing these these topics
Speaker 2: to light.
Speaker 8: So thank you. Yeah, I appreciate, and I would say
Speaker 8: if anyone is interested, I know that we live in
Speaker 8: a generation that doesn't read books, but if you're interested,
Speaker 8: the book that I read where I got a lot
Speaker 8: of this information from, it's called Dead Wrong. It's actually
Speaker 8: written by a comedian, and like most comedians, like Sam Tripley,
Speaker 8: even they're conspiracy theorists at heart. Even Tom Segura, I
Speaker 8: think is secretly a conspiracy theorist. But the book, again
Speaker 8: is called Dead Wrong. The author is Richard Pelzer, and
Speaker 8: he talks about Marylyn, Linda B. Johnson, JFK, Martin Luther
Speaker 8: King Junior. I mean, it's just a plethora of awesome
Speaker 8: conspiracy stuff and he goes based on forensics only, So
Speaker 8: if you're interested in that, you can check out that book.
Speaker 8: But again, thanks so much for having me, guys.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I was just thinking as you were saying,
Speaker 1: that maybe you could have a merch line where you
Speaker 1: take all the inconvenient facts about Marilyn Manson or Marilyn
Speaker 1: Monroe's death and you list them, like on the sides
Speaker 1: of her portrait. You know, no pills were found in
Speaker 1: her stomach, all the rest of these things. You know,
Speaker 1: the window was broken from the outside or from the
Speaker 1: inside out, all of these things, and you put that
Speaker 1: on the shirt with Marilyn Monroe's face on it. So
Speaker 1: you're taking advantage of the fact that she is a
Speaker 1: you know, archetype and showing all the people, hey, look,
Speaker 1: these are inconvenient facts. You need to take that alongside
Speaker 1: of this image that you get from the rest of
Speaker 1: the media.
Speaker 8: That would actually be a good idea. I did in
Speaker 8: my merch store, which I never plug, but I made
Speaker 8: a Marilyn hoodie and it had Marilyn with a magnifying
Speaker 8: glass and a monarch butterfly over her head. And I
Speaker 8: try to come up with shit that's like, if you
Speaker 8: saw it, you'd be like, what's that about? And I'd
Speaker 8: be like, Wow, let me fucking tell you what that's about.
Speaker 8: But no, Yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 8: I'll put it on the back of the hoodie no
Speaker 8: pills cyanosis.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 8: I like that, So rollin, asshole.
Speaker 1: I just want to plug one more time. If you
Speaker 1: guys have any esoteric stories, or you have anything that
Speaker 1: has happened to you weird or bizarre experiences too, you
Speaker 1: can email me at the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com and we'll read those stories on the air.
Speaker 1: So thank you for having me. Nick, thank you for coming.
Speaker 7: Julia, Yeah, thank you for coming on. And Juliet, thank
Speaker 7: you again very much for coming on. Can you please
Speaker 7: plug all your stuff so everybody can find me you
Speaker 7: have your amusing work.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube. Patreon
Speaker 8: for bonus episodes and early access to all the shows
Speaker 8: that I put out, and you can just look for
Speaker 8: Cosmic Peach and you'll you'll find me somewhere.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much, and thank you everybody in the
Speaker 7: chat for showing up and adding to the comments that
Speaker 7: was awesome.
Speaker 3: It was fun, some good stuff in there. That's why
Speaker 3: I go live.
Speaker 7: And that is the end of another recult rejects and
Speaker 7: until the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 3: Stutt