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Speaker 3: So where she came from yesterday don't matter. If it's gone.
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Speaker 4: Your host double j not the vice president host of
Speaker 4: Operation GCD, with an Operation GCD Invasion of the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 4: Here with a fellow occult reject, Julia from the Cosmic
Speaker 4: Peach podcast. And of course Neck, the host of the
Speaker 4: Occult rejects, it's going on. I can't hear you. No,
Speaker 4: there you go going on.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 4: Well, this, this conversation kind of grew up a conversation
Speaker 4: we had last week right on the Occult reject. I
Speaker 4: don't think it's quite dropped yet.
Speaker 5: No, yeah, yeah, it's like a preview. Actually, I think
Speaker 5: will drop next Wednesday or something like that.
Speaker 4: I was gonna, you know, let's say, let's go, let's
Speaker 4: go ahead and tease that episode, because that's gonna be
Speaker 4: a good conversation for folks to check out as well.
Speaker 4: And if folks of the interwebs are not familiar with Tuesday,
Speaker 4: well this this name came up in the conversation last
Speaker 4: week about a cult Elvis Tuesday. Well when when Julia
Speaker 4: brought it up in the conversation and asked me if
Speaker 4: I new Tuesday, well, and I simply replied, one of
Speaker 4: my favorite people in the entire universe because I love
Speaker 4: because I'm pro Tuesday. It was because she's connected to everything.
Speaker 2: I love how youesday, not because I'm pro Tuesday.
Speaker 4: No, I'm definitely not pro Tuesday. Yeah, no me either,
Speaker 4: me either.
Speaker 2: But she's somebody that I've actually I've mentioned several times
Speaker 2: in previous episodes. I actually the first time I talked
Speaker 2: about her on my show was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So is definitely I'm you know, due for a refresher
Speaker 2: just for even people who listen to my show, because
Speaker 2: you know, I I just assume that everyone everyone knows
Speaker 2: about her because I did do an episode on her
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, but it's been so long,
Speaker 2: you know, you'd have to dig through, you know, hundreds
Speaker 2: of episodes to get to that one. So I'm kind
Speaker 2: of excited to revitalize it today and make it more
Speaker 2: well known for for people who haven't heard of her.
Speaker 2: So we're throwing down on Tuesday on a Monday, So
Speaker 2: this is gonna be.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be yeah, Right, And Nick, you had
Speaker 4: no idea Tuesday World was when this came up during
Speaker 4: that show, right, I mean, you know, I think Tuesday's
Speaker 4: done a great job of playing you know, Landeth.
Speaker 2: Lamelow under the radar for the public.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It was the only time I had ever really heard
Speaker 5: about her. Is that I think, like one time Lisa
Speaker 5: for some reason, and she can't remember why she was
Speaker 5: looking into somehow she was she was related to Joe Rogan,
Speaker 5: she had somewhere.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like weird, like you know, who knows if it's true,
Speaker 6: but like that was the only time I really ever
Speaker 6: heard of Tuesday. Well that had no idea who she
Speaker 6: really is. Though.
Speaker 2: If that's true, I'm gonna ship my whole entire pants.
Speaker 4: Well, I can't believe I haven't done Joe Rogan's family
Speaker 4: three yet. It's shocking to me. As much Joe Rogan
Speaker 4: stuff as.
Speaker 2: I've done, it wouldn't surprise me. But you know, somebody
Speaker 2: that I've worked with a few times, I think nick
Speaker 2: has two is uh Sean McCann.
Speaker 6: Yes, And he knew so.
Speaker 2: Much about Tuesday, and he and I talked about her together,
Speaker 2: and so I just wanted to give him a quick
Speaker 2: shout out because he drops some stuff into my life
Speaker 2: about her that I didn't even know about that I
Speaker 2: included in this presentation. So before I get started, I
Speaker 2: just want to say shout out to him too, because
Speaker 2: he's looked into her and found some really crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: But if you've ever seen a.
Speaker 4: Picture of her, but well, man inject real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 4: before we describe who is Tuesday Well and how did
Speaker 4: you just like you're saying, Sean McCann's done podcasts on
Speaker 4: this too. Now, I haven't heard anyone talk about Tuesday
Speaker 4: Well since Adam go Rightley sirka two thousand and seven something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Sean mccannon.
Speaker 4: Her right.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure when it dropped into his, you know,
Speaker 2: periphery for him to start looking into it. But I
Speaker 2: found her looking into Laurel Canyon because she is a
Speaker 2: big sixties counterculture person. And then I had mentioned her
Speaker 2: in passing to Sean and he was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: you know, I know so much about her, and then
Speaker 2: we did an episode on her together. But I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if you've ever seen a picture of her, nick,
Speaker 2: but she is like the proverbial Madonna, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Mansfield,
Speaker 2: big blue eyes, blonde hair, she looks like a Barbie
Speaker 2: Doll essentially.
Speaker 4: Things right, she could have been bigger than all those stars, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it seems like she fits that archetype. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There she goes with Jack Nicholson. You'll see her hanging around.
Speaker 2: It's like she's everywhere and nowhere at the same time.
Speaker 2: You know, she's everywhere for those who know where she is,
Speaker 2: but nowhere to people that are familiar with sixties counterculture.
Speaker 2: When you look back on it, you're like, oh, like
Speaker 2: I said, Jane Mansfield, Marilyn Monroe, whoever, whoever was big
Speaker 2: during that time. She's sitting right here next to Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2: It's like, who is this person? If you saw this picture,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even know who she was, But she's everywhere.
Speaker 4: Fangirl right right?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I forgot this.
Speaker 4: Is when they get a movie together. I think this
Speaker 4: was nineteen seventy two that did a film together, If
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken. I don't remember which one it was.
Speaker 2: I remember which one it was. I think I have
Speaker 2: it in my notes for later.
Speaker 4: But it's been in Hollywood since she was a little girl, right,
Speaker 4: she was about what's seven years old? I believe which
Speaker 4: she started there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she was really really young. And I guess
Speaker 2: in order to understand why she's significant in what role
Speaker 2: she plays in this weird society of famous people, you
Speaker 2: kind of almost have to go back in time and
Speaker 2: look at her family, right, who are the Weld's, What
Speaker 2: where did she come from? Why is she special?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 2: XYZ. And it turns out actually that the Weld family
Speaker 2: is really really old family. They came over on the
Speaker 2: Mayflower type shit, you know, one of the very first families.
Speaker 2: They came to America in the sixteen hundreds from England,
Speaker 2: and the Weld family is actually an extended family of
Speaker 2: the Boston Brahmin family. The name Brahmin might sound familiar
Speaker 2: to people who are listening to this. Brahman is kind
Speaker 2: of like one of those really old families that kind
Speaker 2: of run everything. They're like the Boston elite, if you will,
Speaker 2: the Brahmin family. So the Welds are an extension of
Speaker 2: the Boston Brahmins, and the Welds are actually the ones
Speaker 2: who helped start Harvard University as a gift, they were
Speaker 2: given by the royal family. The Weld family was given Roxbury, Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: and like Jamaica Plane, it's all weld Land. And yeah,
Speaker 2: basically so you got this weird Boston kind of with
Speaker 2: the Brahmins, but also like most of Massachusetts has turned
Speaker 2: to like weld land.
Speaker 4: Sure, and they started that all on a mound there
Speaker 4: in Jamaica Plane called Nice Hill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, freaking mound builder. Weirdness right.
Speaker 4: To the Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Well, she's related to the governor of Massachusetts, which was
Speaker 2: William Weld. And if you go all the way back
Speaker 2: in time, right the thirteen hundreds is the earliest recorded
Speaker 2: members of the Weld family. They're all like sheriffs in London.
Speaker 2: Some of them are knights, uh shit like that.
Speaker 4: And then they started from some old school Celtic stuff though, right,
Speaker 4: like the ancient king Satara, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So I think they were I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was in the thirteen hundreds or when they
Speaker 2: came over on the Mayflower, but they were Protestant. But
Speaker 2: after they got over here they sort of kind of
Speaker 2: like integrated their power into religiosity and a lot of
Speaker 2: them converted to Catholis and became like Jesuit priests. So
Speaker 2: there's so many layers to this. And actually John B.
Speaker 2: Weld and Alfred Weld, to be specific, they were Jesuit priests,
Speaker 2: and Alfred was known to be a Jesuit priest, an astronomer,
Speaker 2: and the administrator for the Society of Jesus. So it's
Speaker 2: like I said, it's like if you go even all
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 4: Back there, he was an administrator there that wasn't even
Speaker 4: just a member. He's like, I'm not just a member,
Speaker 4: I'm the president. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like sheriffs, knights, Jesuit priests, administrators for the
Speaker 2: Society of Jesus. You got astronomers, Boston elite, the Brahmin family.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Welds are nuts, you got governors. They
Speaker 2: own most of Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were the infamous incident between Bill Weld and
Speaker 4: Whitey Bulger's brother the government. As you pointed out, so, uh,
Speaker 4: that is a cousin of hers. He also descends from
Speaker 4: Elisa Weld, So Eliza Weld was a colonel in the Revolution.
Speaker 4: They're on the the Weld Mound there in Jamaica Plains.
Speaker 4: In fact that the weld manor there on Weld Hill
Speaker 4: served as an operations headquarters for the Massachusetts contingent of
Speaker 4: the Revolution. So they're very very integral, very integral. That
Speaker 4: was basically you know headquarters, you know, operations center right
Speaker 4: for the.
Speaker 2: Founding fathers and stuff.
Speaker 4: Like they're damn near like yeah, close to the level down. Wow,
Speaker 4: because as far as mass Us is concerned, I mean
Speaker 4: they're they were major Again, as you pointed out that
Speaker 4: they were the religious heads with the Start and Harvard
Speaker 4: because that started as a religious school. And then they
Speaker 4: were the military heads because they weren't generals. But you know,
Speaker 4: they're the ones that ran Their house was run, you know,
Speaker 4: they run everything out of their house, you know, and
Speaker 4: whatever that mound was they operated. The rest of their
Speaker 4: friends all thought it was for some reason.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, it's goes all the way back to
Speaker 2: ancient history, doesn't it, with the mound builders and all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean even within that family probably even you know,
Speaker 4: maybe even a different track, because I believe those ancient
Speaker 4: kings of Tara they claim to be descended from, they
Speaker 4: used to be crowned on a mound over there right
Speaker 4: the hill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and wasn't like Jeckell Island supposed to be there
Speaker 2: was something built on a mound or am I making up?
Speaker 4: Okay? The Rockefellers another Society family out of Society, Cincinnati
Speaker 4: family out of New York, the New York chapter they
Speaker 4: owned they owned the uh, the Indian Mound Cottage down
Speaker 4: there where the secret meetings were held for the rituals.
Speaker 2: What I thought, that's what I thought was just.
Speaker 4: Form of the magic that we call the Federal Reserve
Speaker 4: it's definitely it's always mound stuff with these people. And
Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying, Like I was gonna call it
Speaker 4: the Hill Kamara, but I'm like, no, No, that's I'm
Speaker 4: thinking in my head, that's that's Mormon stuff. That's Mormon stuff.
Speaker 4: The Hill, the Hill Tara is the a is a
Speaker 4: place over there in Ireland where the old ancient kings
Speaker 4: of ancient Celtic kings used to you know, the other coronations,
Speaker 4: rituals and ceremonies. So that's who the worlds claimed to
Speaker 4: be descended from.
Speaker 2: That's so nuts to me because it's like they have
Speaker 2: little pockets everywhere. It's not just in America obviously, because
Speaker 2: there's members of the family like Sir Frank Weld he
Speaker 2: was the Prime Minister of New Zealand and also the
Speaker 2: Governor of Western Australia. And then like Thomas Weld, he
Speaker 2: was one of the ones who helped create Harvard and
Speaker 2: he was a personal friend of King George.
Speaker 4: The third typical Anglo focused family. They seem to be
Speaker 4: still to this day and they're having this Anglo American influence,
Speaker 4: you know, this this British influence on America. And speaking
Speaker 4: of that speaking of that, back to Bill, well right
Speaker 4: where I took us off on the standards they're Julia.
Speaker 4: So Bill Weld was the governor, as you pointed out,
Speaker 4: Tuesday's cousin, and Whitey Boulger's brother was the President of
Speaker 4: the State Senate, Bill Bill Bulger. So I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if I'm sure either of you were aware of that,
Speaker 4: that the infamous gangster Whitey Bulger, while he's being a gangster,
Speaker 4: his brother's the president of the State Senate in the
Speaker 4: same city of Boston.
Speaker 2: There figure, Yeah, so somebody on both sides.
Speaker 4: Exactly, And well they're running the same operations, just from
Speaker 4: different roubles. So Bill Weld and Bill Bulger get in
Speaker 4: an infamous dispute. Maybe too much of a New England
Speaker 4: or to even know this story, but they get an
Speaker 4: into infamous dispute on the floor of the State House
Speaker 4: and they're in Boston, and Bulger's roasting Weld saying like,
Speaker 4: you know, oh, my family's been here since blah blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, and well and well you know, watches them,
Speaker 4: you know, in his little temper tantrum in front of
Speaker 4: the entire again the joint session. Again, he's the governor
Speaker 4: there at the state House, you know, Bill Bolger's house.
Speaker 4: He's running as the state's state's president of the State Senate.
Speaker 4: And Well just replies with you, we sent over our
Speaker 4: help here first. So that's that's the Weld family. That's
Speaker 4: the Well family. H yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and they're also responsible for like setting up major
Speaker 2: trade routes and stuff. And like so William Gordon Weld
Speaker 2: founded some kind of fleet of trading vessels which did
Speaker 2: opium trade to China. That I mean, this is the
Speaker 2: Weld fan This is what they're known for. I mean,
Speaker 2: and so and so William Gordon Weld's son taught William
Speaker 2: Fletcher Weld. He expanded like this little empire, right, and
Speaker 2: he introduced an even bigger fleet of ships and they
Speaker 2: were called the black Horse flag Fleet, and they were
Speaker 2: opium traders and they were coming straight out of like
Speaker 2: Massachusetts doing opium trade. I mean, this family, I'm talking
Speaker 2: like they are the elites. They're the Brahmins, they're the
Speaker 2: elite class. They're doing opium trade. They're involved in government,
Speaker 2: they're involved in religion. They're in New Zealand, they're in Australia,
Speaker 2: they're everywhere literally from going all the way back to
Speaker 2: King George the third and he like knighted some of them.
Speaker 2: So this is right for centuries, right right, kind of
Speaker 2: like a like a roths child for America. Yeah, because everybody.
Speaker 4: Goes still more overtly. What's that I said?
Speaker 2: I think everybody fixates on like Rockefeller and like names
Speaker 2: like that, But the Weld family is should be mentioned
Speaker 2: when those things come up.
Speaker 4: For sure, and my and my and my perspective, they're
Speaker 4: one of the same. They're both the Society Cincinnati families.
Speaker 4: But you know, in regard to the Welds, they seem
Speaker 4: more overtly involved in witchcraft throughout their history.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying the other one is, and I'm just
Speaker 4: saying they seem to brag about it. And I'm not
Speaker 4: even talking about this time Tuesday Weld were a witch's
Speaker 4: hat to an interview to back. Yeah, he a witch
Speaker 4: in the seventies.
Speaker 2: You know where she did that interview? It was the
Speaker 2: Chateau Marmont in California, where like I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 2: where John Belu she died, and like Anton Levey used
Speaker 2: to hang out and it's supposedly haunted by all the
Speaker 2: ghosts of all the dead celebrities that have passed through
Speaker 2: that she did that interview there, I'm and I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure she's she's made fun in the public eye of
Speaker 2: like I'm a witch and I have a high pedigree
Speaker 2: from this this elite family. What are you going to
Speaker 2: do about it? Like she's said stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I mean pretty much. She has got a lot of
Speaker 4: connections to the Hotel Marmont there, so well, Jack's Jack's
Speaker 4: one of his best friends in life. Mister Bob Cocaine
Speaker 4: Evans his producer buddy for the film Godfather. Al Ruddy
Speaker 4: is Al Ruddy's wife own that's Chateau Marmont Hotel mm
Speaker 4: HM back in the sixties and early seventies.
Speaker 2: It's just so crazy because it's like I said, she's
Speaker 2: she's like the Babylon girl, but she's not because she's
Speaker 2: everywhere and nowhere and like a ghost. She's like a
Speaker 2: ghost in Hollywood, like she pops up everywhere. Everyone knows her.
Speaker 4: But she's not a household name like Maryland, right, She's
Speaker 4: not a house or even Jane Mansfield exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, So getting kind of more into her now that
Speaker 2: we know about like her family and shit. She was
Speaker 2: born on August twenty seventh, nineteen forty three, and it's
Speaker 2: based on the research I've done. Like in these elite cults,
Speaker 2: people like Tuesday are chosen at a very early age
Speaker 2: carry out whatever it is that they have for them,
Speaker 2: and I do think that she was chosen relatively. I
Speaker 2: think seven, as you said earlier, is probably when they
Speaker 2: started noticing, because they said that she had abundant psychic
Speaker 2: and clairvoyant abilities from a very young age, and this
Speaker 2: was something that they covet obviously, especially when you come
Speaker 2: from a family, an elite family, and you're got clairvoyant
Speaker 2: and psychic abilities. So she's like a nineteen sixties Laurel
Speaker 2: Canyon eragal, you know. And she was in the movies,
Speaker 2: but she wasn't like Maryland's status famous, which I'll explain
Speaker 2: why later on. But she's like your typical archetype of
Speaker 2: the Babylon like blonde hair, blue eyed sex kitten. This
Speaker 2: is what the perfect woman should look like kind of thing,
Speaker 2: oh for sure.
Speaker 4: And I think that was a role though, is what
Speaker 4: all you're describing. This is all very well organized because
Speaker 4: this is one of her first major acting She was
Speaker 4: in other things starting very young. I think her first
Speaker 4: acting role was Ege seven. I think she was sixteen
Speaker 4: here in this in this TV show called The Familiar
Speaker 4: with this one Julia the Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.
Speaker 2: I came across that one. Yeah, I've never watched it, obviously, but.
Speaker 4: Oh strangely enough, I watched as long before I really
Speaker 4: understood her, knew who Tuesday World was really was. It
Speaker 4: was a popular show in my household growing up.
Speaker 2: Well, I actually, so you know, like when somebody's getting started,
Speaker 2: they'll be in like some shit stuff before they like
Speaker 2: really hit the big time and like get like a
Speaker 2: all right, not Tuesday.
Speaker 4: So no, no, And this show shows it right here.
Speaker 4: So the synopsis of the show is the end of
Speaker 4: the innocence of the ninth fifties before the oncoming nineteen
Speaker 4: sixties revolution.
Speaker 2: Well, she played a huge part of in real life role.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, that's what the show that was, the show
Speaker 4: like that that was kind of the start of her
Speaker 4: revolution of the sixties, right where she's kind of this
Speaker 4: puppet master to six. It starts in nineteen fifty nine
Speaker 4: when she's sixteen, sixteen years old in this TV show
Speaker 4: that the TV shows about the end of the fifties
Speaker 4: and the you know, this new era of get out
Speaker 4: with the beat next and in with these you know,
Speaker 4: the kind of this new hippie kind of scene.
Speaker 2: Almost she played a huge role in the inspiration behind
Speaker 2: a lot of music and culture too. But like I
Speaker 2: have so, let's say she's developing these psychic abilities around
Speaker 2: like age seven, and then she began a modeling career
Speaker 2: at age twelve, and she landed her film debut at
Speaker 2: age twelve in a freaking Alfred Hitchcock movie.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: So it's like she skipped all of the like, oh,
Speaker 2: I gotta try to get roles and stuff. It was
Speaker 2: like born psychic twelve years old, she's a model and
Speaker 2: she's in an Alfred Hitchcock movie and literally nobody knows
Speaker 2: about her. It's like she didn't even have to try.
Speaker 2: They just like threw her in and was like, hey,
Speaker 2: Alfred Hitchcock, here you go, bitch, Like how many people
Speaker 2: would have died to be in an Alfred Hitchcock movie.
Speaker 2: You know he was huge back then.
Speaker 4: And this is actually do you think it's just because
Speaker 4: of her family?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: Her family's running Hollywood? And you can answer this.
Speaker 2: Oh, one and a lesser known thing about her as
Speaker 2: well is she was Stanley Kubrick's first pick for Lolita,
Speaker 2: right wow, right, you know, the infamous pedophile movie.
Speaker 4: So when I say her family, I mean like the
Speaker 4: cold family, right, like the family of which the Wells
Speaker 4: are obviously a big part of and included in, but
Speaker 4: they're not the only family in there, right.
Speaker 2: I love this picture of her in Elvis because you know,
Speaker 2: I brought it up before. I was like, Oh, did
Speaker 2: Elvis know Tuesday Weld? Or do you know that Elvis
Speaker 2: knew Tuesday Weld? And it's like, oh, no, I don't
Speaker 2: even know who that is. Well, he sure got a
Speaker 2: tender love and care for her right there. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: picture where he was sneaking a little smooch from Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Who is that?
Speaker 4: That's mister Steve McQueen. He's part of the family.
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred. He's got a nice little hug for
Speaker 2: her too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's as a cousin of mine. I'm McQueen, you
Speaker 4: really yeah? Yeah, My second great grandmother is a McQueen,
Speaker 4: so I think he's somewhere in my fifth cousin. Anyway,
Speaker 4: this is nineteen sixty nine, right, because when this photo
Speaker 4: was taken, and so yeah, he steals Bob Evans old
Speaker 4: cocaine Bob Evans wife. The next year, Steve Queen does
Speaker 4: when I say steel, I think all these people are
Speaker 4: involved in the sex Colt right, So like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, he runs he runs off with cocaine Bob's wife.
Speaker 4: She's married to George propart at this time. I believe
Speaker 4: that's when they're married. Is around the same time.
Speaker 2: Well, and during the time when she, oh, I don't
Speaker 2: know how old she was.
Speaker 4: No, No, the A Team he was the he was
Speaker 4: the star of the television show Now Team No.
Speaker 2: I thought you said she I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Colnonival, Hannibal Smith. I'm too big of an eighteen fan,
Speaker 4: I guess. But but anyone in the eighties, you know,
Speaker 4: remembers this dude from from that. They don't remember Hi
Speaker 4: from Breakfast to Tiffany's, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: No, Well, it seems like to me everybody had a
Speaker 2: bit of a crush on her. I think Elvis was
Speaker 2: still married to Priscilla when he was in a romantic
Speaker 2: relationship with Tuesday. So that was all kind of like
Speaker 2: hush hush and like swept under the rug because those
Speaker 2: two were in a movie together, which I will get
Speaker 2: to in a minute.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: JJ, have you heard of a movie she was in
Speaker 2: called Lord Love a Duck.
Speaker 4: I was going to bring that movie up to Sure,
Speaker 4: that's exactly like that Debbie Gillis show. It's a it's
Speaker 4: a it's it's spawning this revolution that she's in charge
Speaker 4: of and and we'll kind of bragging about it more
Speaker 4: or less.
Speaker 2: But right, so like it's basically like this demon that
Speaker 2: grants you wishes, right, and she just wants fame and
Speaker 2: she wants whatever.
Speaker 4: But anyways, but she's like a cult hypriesest in that
Speaker 4: right Barbara Ann, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: She she plays Barbara and nicknamed Barbie right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But they she allegedly sanging on the Beach Boys
Speaker 4: song Barbara Ann as a tribute to this movie that
Speaker 4: came out at the same time as this movie.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: So she's talking about the process again. Yeah, the Beach Boys.
Speaker 2: We were infatuated with her, and that's where Barbara Ann
Speaker 2: came from, was this Lord Love a Duck because they
Speaker 2: were they were infatuated with Tuesday. Yeah, and it's to me,
Speaker 2: it's signaling again, like she's the Barbie, right, And I
Speaker 2: kind of talked to Nick before about like where the
Speaker 2: Barbie origins came from, and they're pretty.
Speaker 4: Sister, you know, you're saying, like the Barbie doll is
Speaker 4: like some sort of like idol of some regards.
Speaker 2: Right. The very first, the very first Barbie doll that
Speaker 2: ever came out was was a sex Toyikes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes it was. It was definitely it was definitely sold.
Speaker 2: Sexually, yes, And it had nipples and it had a vagina,
Speaker 2: and all they did literally to market it to children
Speaker 2: was removed the nipples in the vagina. It was the
Speaker 2: same dress, it was the same face, it was the
Speaker 2: same hair, it was everything was the same. And when
Speaker 2: the guy took this sex doll just removed the anatomy parts.
Speaker 2: He took it to like a kid's convention thing to
Speaker 2: sell it, and parents were like, what are you doing
Speaker 2: with it? Like they were creeped out by it. But
Speaker 2: now it's like that's the staple. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: a Barbie doll that's sexualizing for children basically for sure,
Speaker 2: because before the Barbie, little girls would play with babies
Speaker 2: and like they were learning how to become a mother,
Speaker 2: how to be a whore, right, Yeah, and then they
Speaker 2: introduced the Ken doll, and it's like, use your imagination.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got a new evolution. I mean, I like
Speaker 4: how you're describing this, because that's how I look at
Speaker 4: the new evolution of this stuff, the American something American
Speaker 4: dolls or American girls or something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, American girl dolls.
Speaker 4: It's that's that's Barbie, even to the next level of
Speaker 4: evolution of this kind of psyoptom floor you're describing.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but so I think it's interesting that she's
Speaker 2: like Barbara Ann in this movie. Yeah, and the Beach
Speaker 2: Boys write this song she's Barbie. She's blonde hair, she's
Speaker 2: blue eyes, she's got like the perfect body, literally everything.
Speaker 2: She is the epitome of she supposed.
Speaker 4: That too shows Allegedly she's a backup singer in the
Speaker 4: song Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys again. Is now
Speaker 4: their obsession with her makes sense. Their their music producers,
Speaker 4: mister Phil spector of the process guy, you know, the
Speaker 4: wall of sound guy, you know, the wrecking crew guy there,
Speaker 4: and then you know, so the beach wasn't surrounded by that,
Speaker 4: you know, you got you got what's his name, Brian Wilson,
Speaker 4: you know, is the financier of Charles Manson family. Why
Speaker 4: I would argue he's just helping finance the process at
Speaker 4: that rate, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And you know Dennis Wilson, He's got to.
Speaker 4: Be Dennis Wilson. My apologies.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say he's the one that had
Speaker 2: a big heart on for Manson, had him living in
Speaker 2: his house.
Speaker 4: And ship, right, and they're all friends with I always
Speaker 4: missed this dude's name up. He's a music producer. He
Speaker 4: wrote the song Coo Como with the Wilson Boys, you know,
Speaker 4: for the Scientology Tom Cruise classic film in the eighties, Cocktails,
Speaker 4: the song written for that. He's he was. He was
Speaker 4: Charlie's a cellmate at Terminal Island. Phil, I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a very mi.
Speaker 4: Music producer, friend of the Beach Boys. Obviously did produce
Speaker 4: some Beach Boys stuff along with Riding with the Beach
Speaker 4: Boys and Kokomo.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Might I might have got Terry Melcher mashed up with
Speaker 4: Phil Coffin, but they're both in the same mix of
Speaker 4: the Beach Boys, right, these people around Manson.
Speaker 2: The guy, Yeah, I was gonna say Phil Kaufman is
Speaker 2: definitely mentioned in Dave McGowan's work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I first learned about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I know about him at least, And.
Speaker 4: He was everywhere in the music scene. But yeah, he served.
Speaker 4: He was there in Terminal Island there with with Chuck.
Speaker 2: That's so wild, dude. You know something else about her?
Speaker 2: I think, if I'm not mistaken, she was like fifteen
Speaker 2: in Lord Love a Duck.
Speaker 4: Yeah sounds and sounds about right. So she was born
Speaker 4: in what forty three? Uh huh, Yeah, I think she
Speaker 4: was probably like twenty than maybe, oh, she was twenty three,
Speaker 4: twenty p twenty two.
Speaker 2: So this must be a quote from a different movie,
Speaker 2: because I say I have in my notes one of
Speaker 2: the male actors she worked with on one of these movies.
Speaker 2: I guess it wasn't this one. A quote from him
Speaker 2: was Tuesday is fifteen going on twenty seven. He said that,
Speaker 2: So it was like, I don't know, they all had
Speaker 2: like an infatuation with her even when she was young, young,
Speaker 2: like she started when she was twelve, got the Alfred
Speaker 2: Hitchcock movie. Then she's with Elvis, she's with Jack Nicholson,
Speaker 2: she's obviously fifteen, still doing stuff and they're like, oh, yeah, Tuesday,
Speaker 2: she's fifteen going on twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Okay, who said that? Do you have a source for
Speaker 4: I just said, alway, is it?
Speaker 2: Did you find it?
Speaker 4: That's my search the quote, that's what it came up with,
Speaker 4: Danny K. But I don't know this actor though. Do
Speaker 4: you know him?
Speaker 2: No? The article that I pulled it from, said a
Speaker 2: co male actor she worked with, referred to her as quote,
Speaker 2: Tuesday is fifteen going on twenty seven.
Speaker 4: It's this dude, Danny. I don't know this guy's work,
Speaker 4: but he was much older dude than Tuesday. But he's
Speaker 4: buried in Westchester County of New York. There Nick Hell
Speaker 4: type a book Westchester specifically, right, So is he like.
Speaker 2: A big wig guy or I don't know?
Speaker 4: Says he says he was an actor, comedian, singer, and dancer.
Speaker 2: She also knew Bing Crosby too.
Speaker 4: Oh maybe they were all in White Christmas together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I didn't know her to be in White Christmas?
Speaker 2: Is she in that?
Speaker 4: No? I'm just saying I know that's a been Crosby
Speaker 4: Danny K, and I read recognized. That's the only thing
Speaker 4: I recognized. Danny Kay from Hey yeah, Crosby.
Speaker 2: I mean she knows everybody, dude, Literally.
Speaker 4: She does, doesn't she because there is a way older
Speaker 4: actor than she is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently he was fantasizing about her being twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, she was sixteen and that she was sixteen.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: They did a film called Five Pennies Together in nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty nine, so she was five right around the same
Speaker 4: time she did that Debid Guilli stuff.
Speaker 5: She was.
Speaker 2: Later on after this stuff, she was in something called
Speaker 2: seventy seven Sunset Strip, which also stood out. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think it was a show called seventy seven Sunset Strip
Speaker 2: and it was another like weird Laurel Canyony weirdness. But
Speaker 2: you know seventy seven, You're right, seventy seven like the
Speaker 2: OZ the Magician's number whatever, and seventy seven.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I was seven and stuff. Yeah, I find that.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 4: the meetings are, ma. It seems creepy that they would
Speaker 4: name it that, right whatever, The seven seven's got to
Speaker 4: mean something, right.
Speaker 2: And it's sunset strip, right, like where all the Laurel Canyons.
Speaker 2: Shit's going down and.
Speaker 4: It's not yet though, right, not yet, because this is
Speaker 4: from fifty eight to sixty four pop off until sixty four, right,
Speaker 4: was it?
Speaker 2: I thought it was a little bit earlier than that.
Speaker 2: I could no, I believe.
Speaker 4: I believe the Birds first album was maybe late sixty
Speaker 4: three with all that Dylan music. Oh, this is Vito
Speaker 4: Policas is the is the proto Manson guy in Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 4: I do? I think that's around sixty three or sixty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so was Sunset Strip this seventy seven Sunset Strip?
Speaker 2: Was that Vito's time?
Speaker 4: He would have been hanging out in that at the
Speaker 4: time yet.
Speaker 2: Because he was like the granddaddy of the whole movement, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this is a series and her episode was called
Speaker 2: Secret Island or something like that. Okay, but she so
Speaker 2: after being really.
Speaker 4: Creepy show Julie, I've never I don't paid attention to this.
Speaker 4: I have ex active and former w W two w
Speaker 4: W two World War two Office of Strategic Service is
Speaker 4: a secret agent, right, That's that's the main character, is
Speaker 4: an OSS guy.
Speaker 2: This is where I mentioned this stuff because after she's
Speaker 2: in this show, she's in a movie with Dick Clark
Speaker 2: that's called Sex kittens go to college.
Speaker 4: I'm familiar with that.
Speaker 2: She went from seventy seven Sunset strip to sex kittens
Speaker 2: go to college. It's like they pointed out there for you, you.
Speaker 4: Know, quite a career trajectory, right.
Speaker 2: Sex kittens go to college?
Speaker 7: Like what.
Speaker 4: Oh we we I think we skipped over this when
Speaker 4: chronologically she was in uh oh yeah, Rock with a
Speaker 4: convicted child child say offender, Chuck Berry.
Speaker 2: M oh yes, Chuck Berry.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if he was convicted yet. He was.
Speaker 4: He was getting popped right around this time though for
Speaker 4: the violations of the main act.
Speaker 2: Well, was it before or after this Wild in the
Speaker 2: Country with Elvis came out and that's when they developed
Speaker 2: their little romance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know because I'm trying to remember when
Speaker 4: Chuck Berry because the music, the music record studio company
Speaker 4: folks literally brokeer Chuck Berry's release from prison, like they
Speaker 4: want the Feds want to keep him in there for
Speaker 4: like a long time. They're like, look, this dude's going
Speaker 4: to make us a lot of money. You know, we
Speaker 4: got to get him out of there, you know. So
Speaker 4: he didn't give what he did about soon and a half.
Speaker 4: I think he was out by nineteen sixty, but it
Speaker 4: was right around this time he was with Tuesday. Well
Speaker 4: that is when he got popped. When he was when
Speaker 4: he was committing violations of the Man Act. So child
Speaker 4: sex trafficking wasn't really technically illegal in many states where
Speaker 4: there was a federal law at the time called the
Speaker 4: Man Act, which was taking an underage, you know, minor
Speaker 4: across state lines for the purposes of sexual activity. And
Speaker 4: that's what Chuck Barry was doing. What to be doing that,
Speaker 4: He was doing a lot of it. He later would
Speaker 4: write a number one single called My Dingling and Tour
Speaker 4: American having people sing along with a convicted child sex offender.
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of dark. Yeah, that's Tuesday's frinds,
Speaker 4: that's Tuesday's friends.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say too. In that Elvis movie,
Speaker 2: she was the Wild in the Country. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was before or after this, she played an
Speaker 2: incest victim.
Speaker 6: Oh man with Elvis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Elvis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was sixty one. I think I think that
Speaker 4: was sixty one. So yeah, The Sex Kinners Go to
Speaker 4: College was nineteen sixty with Did Clark. Yeah, wonder like
Speaker 4: what goes on?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 4: Like you got Brookshields as an eleven year old what
Speaker 4: in like nineteen seventy eight, you know, naked in a
Speaker 4: film as a child prostitute. You got other you know,
Speaker 4: obviously Tuesdays of Age here, right, Well she's barely of age.
Speaker 4: She's probably seventeen actually in sixteen when she filmed this, right.
Speaker 2: She was young?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a little questionable, right, having having a child
Speaker 4: in a film called sex Kittens.
Speaker 2: Get a call, go and it's like, look at the cover.
Speaker 2: It's it's your archetypes. Right, you got Tuesdays, the blonde
Speaker 2: with blue eyes, and you got a redhead with a
Speaker 2: green shirt on, and then you have the brunette with
Speaker 2: like this red polka dot thing. It's it's the Neapolitan
Speaker 2: sex kitten.
Speaker 6: For you, I know.
Speaker 4: So that's what you're Marilyn Monroe on top?
Speaker 2: Oh, isn't that Tuesday on top?
Speaker 4: I thought this was Tuesday?
Speaker 2: Which one?
Speaker 4: The red headed middle one? The middle one ere Oh.
Speaker 2: I can barely see it because it's so small, but
Speaker 2: I mis assumed it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not Marilyn Monroe. But I mean, are they trying
Speaker 4: to game for Marilyn Monroe? Bit it's made von.
Speaker 2: Dorian ooh another blonde hair, blue eyed.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, she's one of the three m's, Okay, along
Speaker 4: with Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield. Okay, I don't know this.
Speaker 2: I don't know her either, Mammy.
Speaker 4: Maymy, Mamie Van Dorton.
Speaker 2: I'm sure if you looked into her, she falls right
Speaker 2: in the same category with all the other.
Speaker 4: Archetypes, right, I mean you got Mansfield and Marilyn Monroe, who,
Speaker 4: like Tuesday Welder, dedicated to the Satanic Bible, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, but you know Tuesday and Maryland were up for
Speaker 2: the same parts very often, and they would go with
Speaker 2: Marylyn as opposed to Tuesday. And it's like, why is
Speaker 2: that because Marylyn is lacking the pedigree that Tuesday has
Speaker 2: And why did Tuesday never blow up and become like
Speaker 2: a megastar the way that these women did. And this
Speaker 2: is how I would explain it. And JJ, you can
Speaker 2: agree or disagree, but it's like they use women like
Speaker 2: Jane Mansfield and Marilyn Monroe and it's like they get
Speaker 2: them and they use them up and they burn them
Speaker 2: out and then they throw them away. They like die
Speaker 2: horribly at young ages, and it's like they're all they're
Speaker 2: they're literally burnt out by the end of their career
Speaker 2: in their early you know, twenties and thirties, whereas Tuesday
Speaker 2: is almost like she's been protected and she lives still
Speaker 2: to this day a ridiculously bizarre, charmed life.
Speaker 4: And that, I mean, I agree with you there, Julia
Speaker 4: on how they how they burn them out, and is
Speaker 4: it's a very intentional thing, I think as well. But
Speaker 4: is she? But to be honest with me, here's their life
Speaker 4: that all that charmed. She married Dudley Moore. She had
Speaker 4: a child with Dudley Moore, that little strange, little hobbit
Speaker 4: looking fella. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 7: Marser.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, when I I watch charm can life be?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I watched a wizard, right, I've
Speaker 4: always written it off like that Dud's gotta be a wizard, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, what's off? I guess right, That's what I'm saying, dude, Like,
Speaker 4: how what's going on there?
Speaker 2: I mean, she when she's she's been interviewed and I've
Speaker 2: watched him and she kind of like it was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm just gonna be a stay at home
Speaker 2: mom and just drink wine all day and you know,
Speaker 2: sit around and basically she's just living the life of luxury.
Speaker 2: I don't know if her husband's a weirdo or not,
Speaker 2: but she she got a lot better outcome than Jane
Speaker 2: Mansfield and Maryland, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 4: I guess that's that's a good comparison. Although though I
Speaker 4: think Homegirl won the won the competition there miss Uh.
Speaker 4: I don't know what was her name, Donna von Dene
Speaker 4: or whatever, And what was the slaves name again? Maybe
Speaker 4: maybe yeah, Mamie von Dene or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. Feel like, oh, well, maybe she's
Speaker 2: maybe she's another Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's like these other actresses are like expendable. They're
Speaker 2: like a dime a dozen. You can create many Marilyn
Speaker 2: Monroe's and they've done it throughout time with like Madonna
Speaker 2: and Britney Spears and Kesha, and it's like Lady Gaga,
Speaker 2: you can create as many as you want of this
Speaker 2: archetype of the blonde, blue eyed you know, priestess of
Speaker 2: like the upper echelon of women, because they've done it
Speaker 2: multiple times, like I said, throughout time. But why is
Speaker 2: Tuesday protected? Like why is she set apart? And I
Speaker 2: think these other women are like they want to be
Speaker 2: a part of the club, right, they don't have the genetics, right,
Speaker 2: And it's like the club that they're trying to be
Speaker 2: a part of is Tuesday's club.
Speaker 4: Like it's like when you joined the mafia or whatever,
Speaker 4: you're going to get in so hard unless you're part
Speaker 4: of the actual family, right, So like you know, right,
Speaker 4: so I kind of view these side characters right, like
Speaker 4: they're not quite part of the family, but yeah, they're
Speaker 4: they're like they're a lower echelon of the system.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're initiates into something that Tuesday's family built exactly.
Speaker 2: That's right. She doesn't get burnt out and suicided or
Speaker 2: drug overdosed or car accident or like used up and
Speaker 2: burnt out. She's like, I'll get into it in a second.
Speaker 4: But it's like she's this diminutive little man though, right,
Speaker 4: we still see it's inconclusive.
Speaker 2: Let me see him. I just want to see you.
Speaker 4: Nick's gotta put Nick put a picture up there on
Speaker 4: the villa.
Speaker 2: Oh god, he's hideous.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: No, if you're to watch him in like author, you'd
Speaker 5: be like, which I'm sure is really his personality, but
Speaker 5: you would be.
Speaker 2: Like, what the he must he must be a bloodliner, right,
Speaker 2: got a lot of money. He has to be. He
Speaker 2: has to be, because it's like, you don't get that
Speaker 2: high degree of a Tuesday Weld unless you're a bloodliner.
Speaker 4: Because they want thought. I always thought that, right, it's
Speaker 4: something weird, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not like somebody with Tuesday Weld whoesdated
Speaker 2: Elvis is gonna end up marrying this guy in pro
Speaker 2: creating unless he's a bloodliner. She probably has a boyfriend
Speaker 2: on side.
Speaker 4: She was married to George F. Pard. Have you seen
Speaker 4: the eighteen carnival Hannibal Smith. I mean she went from
Speaker 4: Hannibal Smith to this guy.
Speaker 2: That's why, that's why it's got to be on purpose,
Speaker 2: because whatever genetics they have together is going to make
Speaker 2: the next you know, Tuesday.
Speaker 6: That makes as much sense as Jackson Wening.
Speaker 2: But you know, think think of the obsession that she
Speaker 2: had around her for her to end up with this guy,
Speaker 2: right because the Beatles sang about her, the Stones sang
Speaker 2: about her. That Beach Boys song is about her. She
Speaker 2: literally could have picked anybody she wanted. Elvi Us had
Speaker 2: a big crush on her, and she is said to
Speaker 2: be part of the influence behind the changes of the
Speaker 2: Beatles being like Bubblegummy to Lucy and the Sky with Diamonds,
Speaker 2: they say, like Tuesday somehow played a role in that transition.
Speaker 4: Sure, well, you'll see that in that Lord Love a
Speaker 4: Duck movie right in the very beginning of it, Roddy McDowell,
Speaker 4: the greaser guys getting beat up by the hippie guy
Speaker 4: right on the beach, and Tuesday, well, it's kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, cheering it on there. So she's she has
Speaker 4: heard cheering on this movement of revolution of the sixties
Speaker 4: where they're inserting this this Hippi dumb and you know,
Speaker 4: the Laurel Canyon scene. They're they're going to be, you know,
Speaker 4: taking the Litl Cannes scene and inserting it across America, right,
Speaker 4: because that really started there. And you know when why
Speaker 4: folks think that that the sixties rock and roll started
Speaker 4: at the Monterey Music Festivals, because it's the Laurel Canyon
Speaker 4: folks all went up to the Monarray Music Festival as
Speaker 4: they're launching you know, they're launching it for marketing purposes, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the song that the Stones wrote about her,
Speaker 2: Ruby Tuesday that everybody knows and they probably thought that
Speaker 2: it was the day of the week or something Ruby Tuesday,
Speaker 2: but it actually inspired me to look into a little
Speaker 2: bit further why they would have used that terminology. Have
Speaker 2: you ever read Fritz Springmyer, You guys either one heard.
Speaker 4: Blood Lines of the Illuminati.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. I think he also has another
Speaker 2: one that where he so in Fritz Springmire's work, he
Speaker 2: he talks about there's levels and there's like a rank
Speaker 2: system in the Dark Occult. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: specifically for SRA victims, but definitely for like programmed multiples, right,
Speaker 2: And there's like this rank system, and they're all different
Speaker 2: types gemstones, and so the diamond is like the presidential
Speaker 2: model whore, and the emerald is like psychic stuff. They're
Speaker 2: used for rituals. And then there's the ruby, which is
Speaker 2: related to the bloodline, which is like upper echelon. They're
Speaker 2: also used in rituals, but they're more like the high
Speaker 2: priestess level. And then there are pearls, which are like
Speaker 2: mind files. And so if you look at these program multiples,
Speaker 2: most of the time they're repping their gymstone. So like
Speaker 2: Marylyn is this diamond level. Diamonds are girl's best friend.
Speaker 2: Diamonds are forever. She pushed diamonds in the sixties. And
Speaker 2: then if you look, there's Ruby Tusday with the royal
Speaker 2: blood and if you really dive into John Benet Ramsey
Speaker 2: and how much they push the emerald symbology with her,
Speaker 2: and that's supposed to be like psychics that are used
Speaker 2: for rituals in this rank system. But there's this one
Speaker 2: picture that everybody always posts of John Benet where she's
Speaker 2: got her pinky finger up and she's wearing an emerald ring,
Speaker 2: and it's it's like, why so specifically that picture of
Speaker 2: John Beney like this wearing an emerald ring on her
Speaker 2: pinky And if you really look into these ranking systems,
Speaker 2: they're all gemstones and these women will rep like these
Speaker 2: the pearls, the rubies, diamonds, emeralds, whatever their ranking is.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how you guys feel about that,
Speaker 2: but I think that could be what the Ruby Tuesday
Speaker 2: is about.
Speaker 4: So you're saunds like a ranking of her ranking within
Speaker 4: the system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she's the ruby is like one of the
Speaker 2: most precious of the gemstones, and the ruby is red
Speaker 2: for the blood. It's like the Royal Blood, the High
Speaker 2: Priestess Ruby Tuesday. Because you would think it would be
Speaker 2: a diamond, right, but look what happened to Maryland. Diamonds
Speaker 2: are literally worthless in the end. Rubies are way more precious.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's like, if you look, you'll see
Speaker 2: these weird gemstones pop up with a lot of these lebs.
Speaker 2: And if it's true that she's like royal blood, which
Speaker 2: she is, and she's got the pedigree, it's very reminiscent
Speaker 2: to me of David Crosby, whose family all goes all
Speaker 2: the way back to the founding Fathers and shit, and
Speaker 2: I feel like he's always been protected. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: been multiple times he should have been arrested and thrown
Speaker 2: into prison and got himself into all kinds of a mess,
Speaker 2: and he just gets off with it.
Speaker 4: It sounds that I like to rest the processor, doesn't
Speaker 4: it Like Bob Cocaine Evans and John Fellows and the
Speaker 4: Mamas and the papas, these people skirting off on getting
Speaker 4: drug trafficking charges.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like there if you go back in the Crosby, Oh,
Speaker 2: Ruby Slippers. I love that they mentioned that because it's
Speaker 2: the movie The Wizard of Oz I've covered it before.
Speaker 2: It's very occulted, and it's got so many mentions to
Speaker 2: magic in there. And you've got the ruby slippers for Dorothy.
Speaker 6: Oh one thing I do and real quick too. About
Speaker 6: the ruby.
Speaker 5: I don't know if this has anything to do with it,
Speaker 5: but I could see it being almost a symbol of
Speaker 5: alchemy most of the time. People probably don't know this,
Speaker 5: and I heard this from somebody else, so it wasn't like,
Speaker 5: you know, I figured this out on my own. Most
Speaker 5: rubies you would find it. It would look like a.
Speaker 6: Stone until you apply heat to it, and then it
Speaker 6: turns into what you would normally see is the red.
Speaker 6: So you even do actually.
Speaker 5: Have to apply heat to this thing to get it
Speaker 5: to turn into the ruby. So it's kind of a
Speaker 5: chemical in the self.
Speaker 2: Well, they say that because Tuesday started developing psychic ability
Speaker 2: when she was really young and clairvoyant abilities that they
Speaker 2: almost had to like not blood her in, but they
Speaker 2: had to traumatize her in a way that would amplify
Speaker 2: I guess, her abilities. So that also goes along with
Speaker 2: the ruby. It's like they had a heater up a
Speaker 2: little bit to turn her into what she became, and
Speaker 2: then they protected her her entire life, you know, very
Speaker 2: reminiscent to me of David Crosby, because he also like
Speaker 2: he's got like founding fathers, signers of the Declaration of Independence,
Speaker 2: you know, civil War generals. I mean, his family tree
Speaker 2: goes all the fucking way back.
Speaker 4: Well, they're the New York chapter of the Society. He's
Speaker 4: a Van Cortland shooler, I believe, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know that song that the Little sang,
Speaker 2: that song, and it's like Tuesdays on the phone to me,
Speaker 2: they say in the song song. Yes, they say Tuesdays
Speaker 2: on the phone to me. If you go back and
Speaker 2: you find out what that story is, Tuesday was calling
Speaker 2: them from David Crosby's house. Oh so it's like when
Speaker 2: you look at these guys, it's like, of course they
Speaker 2: hang out. Of course they they're besties, you know, right, right,
Speaker 2: Tuesdays over at David Crosby's house, just casually calling the Beatles,
Speaker 2: and they feel like it's so significant they got to
Speaker 2: put it in a song.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure. There's lots of other songs too, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, just besides the Beatles, the in the you know,
Speaker 4: in the Stones. But what do you think so what
Speaker 4: do you think this wasn't her as far as you know,
Speaker 4: protecting or sting out of the limelight, Like do you
Speaker 4: think that was her decision? Like she's quoted in seventy
Speaker 4: one and the New York Times saying like, for example,
Speaker 4: she didn't take the role for Rosemary's Baby, right, she
Speaker 4: declined the role. So do you think that's her decline
Speaker 4: the role? Do you think there's somebody like west bring
Speaker 4: in her ear like you should not be doing, you know,
Speaker 4: you do not need to go star in cocaine? Bob Evans,
Speaker 4: Roan Planski's processed Church Satan shit you know, shit storm here.
Speaker 4: I told her that, or she's making on her own call.
Speaker 2: I don't well, I don't think she's making any of
Speaker 2: her own decisions because she's been like kind of guided
Speaker 2: since she was aged twelve with Alfred Hitchcock and stuff.
Speaker 2: But right, this is what I'll say, because the dedication
Speaker 2: in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible is like everyone would know
Speaker 2: who that is, who Tuesday is if they saw that, right,
Speaker 2: because he also mentions Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield. But
Speaker 2: there is some other quotes from Anton Levey where he
Speaker 2: says He refers to her looks several times and how
Speaker 2: beautiful she is. He also refers to her witchery as
Speaker 2: he says, and he basically describes her as like the
Speaker 2: heart of the ocean jewel, like she's so special and
Speaker 2: she's so amazing and elite if you will. But he
Speaker 2: also alluded to the fact that Tuesday will never be
Speaker 2: in the spotlight because she's serving greater purpose.
Speaker 4: As from that's from popular witchcraft, Straight from the Witch's mouth,
Speaker 4: an interview with high priest ants on lavay. You found
Speaker 4: it nineteen seventy two, and this is a says two
Speaker 4: thousand and five. That's a reprint.
Speaker 2: There you go, right there. He literally says, you know,
Speaker 2: Tuesday will never be big, she will never be in
Speaker 2: the spotlight because she's so smart and she's serving this
Speaker 2: greater purpose. And the greater purpose has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with how famous she is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and in comparison to Mansfield and Monroe, he says, well,
Speaker 4: Tuesday is.
Speaker 10: Part of the rituals, right, Yeah, like Tuesdays like the
Speaker 10: upper echelon, where like all these other bitches are like
Speaker 10: fodder for the cannon, right, like it's just right, you know,
Speaker 10: throw another Jane Mansfield out there.
Speaker 2: Let's get Marilyn Monroe fucked up. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: just I don't know. She this this whole thing about
Speaker 2: her being involved in rituals and like obviously the Anton
Speaker 2: LaVey stuff, and she never did make it big. But
Speaker 2: yet she knows everyone and is traveling with the Circles.
Speaker 4: And Hope, Steve McQueen, Elvis Presley, James Cohn, you know
Speaker 4: Al Pacino, Cocaine Bob's friends, like Cocaine Bob's friends, Robert
Speaker 4: de Niro, you know these are all her co stars
Speaker 4: and films.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I guess she's known to show up
Speaker 2: to like some of these Hollywood events with like two
Speaker 2: giant white wolves with her and stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh Tuesdays here and she's got these two big,
Speaker 2: giant white wolves at both of her sides, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here comes the priestess, here comes the Biggie, the big witch,
Speaker 2: and everybody like Revere's sir, Oh Tuesday with her white wolves,
Speaker 2: and shit, you know, she's she's a force to be
Speaker 2: reckoned with.
Speaker 4: That's pretty wild. Yeah, I know, places with some wolves.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is, like I said before, she
Speaker 2: knows everyone. She was in Hollywood for a little bit,
Speaker 2: but not to the point where she got burnt out
Speaker 2: and thrown away like some of the bigger ones. She's
Speaker 2: definitely part of the counterculture scene. She's got songs written
Speaker 2: about her. She knows the Beatles, the Stones. Imagine, like,
Speaker 2: how many people can you say that were even in
Speaker 2: the Laurel Canyon that could say, oh, the Beatles, the
Speaker 2: Beach Boys, the Stones. They all wrote songs about me,
Speaker 2: but nobody knows who I am.
Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly. Yeah, she's easily the most influential person in
Speaker 4: the entire scene music, movies, you know, the whole social
Speaker 4: aspect of it. And according to some folks. So when
Speaker 4: I asked earlier, how you summark across, Well, whenever I
Speaker 4: do find people that have interested themselves in the life
Speaker 4: of Tuesday world and I'm just trying to understand it.
Speaker 4: I asked that question because I came across it in
Speaker 4: two ways really, So my initial interest was I'd read
Speaker 4: the works of Adam go Rightley and his series that
Speaker 4: he printed years ago, and did a couple of podcast
Speaker 4: interviews with a guy I want to sit around two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine. I think he wrote the series in
Speaker 4: two thousand and seven and Noia magazine or something like that.
Speaker 4: I think he's reprinted it in books since then, but
Speaker 4: that was the original source. He interviews a guy. Are
Speaker 4: you familiar with the guy I'm talking about? Where the
Speaker 4: stories come from? This his source in this in this series,
Speaker 4: a fellow by the name of escape me Jeff Turner.
Speaker 2: Ooh, now, what's this?
Speaker 4: Jeff Turner? I believe he's still love. He's an extremely ausistic,
Speaker 4: severe autistic man who works in a soup kitchen. I
Speaker 4: believe in San Jose, California. He claims have known Tuesday
Speaker 4: Weld for a very long time, since he was a youngster.
Speaker 4: He claims Tuesday Weld got him involved with spying on
Speaker 4: one of her underlings that had decided to leave her
Speaker 4: guys and go take over what this man described as
Speaker 4: the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. That lady's name
Speaker 4: was Christy McManus. This is all stuff that's been published.
Speaker 4: She's still alive. She's still alive. She's running some ocult
Speaker 4: stuff in Vegas. Last time I looked. So that's what
Speaker 4: I'm saying when I say last time I looked, I
Speaker 4: I looked at some of the details of this guy,
Speaker 4: and some of these details do check out. This Christy
Speaker 4: McManus is definitely involved in the occult. Whether or not
Speaker 4: she was Tuesday, well, it's underling. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, this fella doesn't seem to be spending the yarns.
Speaker 4: In large part of you asking me, there's some I'm
Speaker 4: not willing to throw the baby out with the with
Speaker 4: the bathtub, you know what I mean, just because the.
Speaker 2: Guys, that's that's like oddly specific for it now to
Speaker 2: stay weld like literally, why.
Speaker 4: Would no one knows exactly, no one knows he is right.
Speaker 4: So this dude as this whole story go rightly, I
Speaker 4: believe his sense concluded after years later that he's he's
Speaker 4: he's kind of just moved away from this, this whole
Speaker 4: narrative and stuff. You don't think he has anybody my understanding.
Speaker 4: He no longer has any buying into it. But you
Speaker 4: know what a Discordian thing to do if you ask me,
Speaker 4: m because he's like the chief Discordian.
Speaker 2: Well, and the fact that she's still alive and could
Speaker 2: dispute that if she found out about it.
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, I think she's ever commented, right, I
Speaker 4: don't think she ever coming. Well, this dude was allegedly
Speaker 4: spying on this network of this Tuesday Well's underlings in
Speaker 4: the eighties out of San Jose and then would later
Speaker 4: describe these activities to Adam go rightly relative to this
Speaker 4: Charles Manson cult. So, according to this dude, Tuesday Weld
Speaker 4: was calling all the shots in the Manson murder like
Speaker 4: she was at that level of the situation.
Speaker 7: Up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's this dude's statements, Jeff Turner's statements. Now again,
Speaker 4: I will offer this disclaimer. Jeff Turner, they made him.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's nearly his looney tunes. I highly
Speaker 4: doubt he's nearly these luney tunes. These two filmmakers made
Speaker 4: him out to be. But I think it was intentional.
Speaker 4: So after he told these stories to go rightly and
Speaker 4: go rightly published him, two film students night to film
Speaker 4: students from NYU show up in San Jose, California. I
Speaker 4: think is how the story goes, and they want to
Speaker 4: film a documentary about the man Will. They turned that
Speaker 4: that documentary into Jeff Turner's obsession with the singer Tiffany,
Speaker 4: and he was arrested. Yeah, he was arrested outside somewhere
Speaker 4: in the eighties with a samurai sword. He was trying
Speaker 4: to give the Tiffany. So you know, there is there's
Speaker 4: obviously a bit of a narrative there.
Speaker 2: Why Tiffany.
Speaker 4: He's got a whole separate story where Tiffany runs a
Speaker 4: different faction opposite Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, stop it, stop it.
Speaker 4: Her Tiffany's assistant. And again, I'm not trying to discredit
Speaker 4: the guy's story because again, some of the stuff cond
Speaker 4: of checks out over the years. Right, this is something
Speaker 4: he said back in like two thousand and seven. Tiffany's
Speaker 4: assistant in that opposing faction to Tuesday Wild was Alyssa Milano.
Speaker 4: Think about how many occult films A Lissa Milano has done.
Speaker 4: Think about how much weird political stuff she's inserted herself
Speaker 4: into in recent years.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And all these people are still alive
Speaker 2: and could very easily like dispute these things, and they're
Speaker 2: not saying a peep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So these filmmakers turned Jeff Turner into complete looney
Speaker 4: to him, I putting him into a film about stalkers
Speaker 4: of Tiffany. Right, Well, he was clearly a stalker of Tiffany.
Speaker 4: He wasn't so much a fan of her music. He
Speaker 4: was part he was trying to he had some whole
Speaker 4: thing where he's obsessed with this whole he's familiar with
Speaker 4: this whole cult network, right, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 4: but they really framed it in I think a very
Speaker 4: weird light with these filmmakers and this this documentary. So
Speaker 4: this documentary was pretty big. So if anyone had any
Speaker 4: dispute about these subjects, like you're saying there was, they
Speaker 4: had opportunities to dispute.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's just funny you say this because somebody
Speaker 2: who came up before we started recording. I guess I'll
Speaker 2: just sut it out there since Tiffany came up.
Speaker 4: But I haven't heard that name in a while, righty, Right, Well, So.
Speaker 2: My brother is a musician and he has the same
Speaker 2: manager as Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails, and he
Speaker 2: has been able to meet Marilyn Manson and Tiffany and
Speaker 2: some of these bigger people and huhuh, yeah, he hung
Speaker 2: out with Tiffany. But no, so he's he's like asked
Speaker 2: Marilyn Manson like questions and he calls him Brian and shit,
Speaker 2: and like apparently, uh, I don't know his last name.
Speaker 2: My brother always just says Brian, but he I guess
Speaker 2: Brian told him this story about like Hunter S. Thompson
Speaker 2: and Johnny Depp and like all this weird stuff. And
Speaker 2: he was wearing these sunglasses that belonged to Hunter S.
Speaker 2: Thompson and he took them off and he like gave
Speaker 2: him to my brother and just let him wear him
Speaker 2: around for a while or whatever. But anyways, he said
Speaker 2: that like Marilyn Manson and Tiffany and they all hang
Speaker 2: out together well, and like they all meet up at
Speaker 2: the same clubs and play together and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what you're describing to me is more details confirming
Speaker 4: the tales of Jeff Turner.
Speaker 2: That's why I brought it up, is because I have
Speaker 2: never heard Tiffany ever besides my brother say that those
Speaker 2: two were connected.
Speaker 6: With him too.
Speaker 4: With Hunter S. Thompson, No, with uh Maryland, Yeah, oh
Speaker 4: I did not know that. Yeah, those pictures, Well, Hunter
Speaker 4: Thompson makes sense to me. He strikes me as an
Speaker 4: og processed guy, like his connections with Depp, their friendship
Speaker 4: over the years, and we're Manson for that matter, makes
Speaker 4: sense because Hunter S. Thompson was doing security at the
Speaker 4: Eslam Institute when they were constructing the place. He was Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was living, he was living on the grounds. He
Speaker 4: chasing people off with his forty five.
Speaker 2: Dude, there's so much stuff about him. You ever heard
Speaker 2: that he like fucked his cat and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Not shocked, not shocked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know the reason I bring it up
Speaker 2: to is because like Marilyn Manson, right, it's Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 2: and Charles Manson yeah together, right, and those are two
Speaker 2: people we just got done talking about. And so he's
Speaker 2: traveling in these circles with I guess process people like Tiffany, right,
Speaker 2: and somehow Tuesday welles in there too, Like, dude, that
Speaker 2: blows my mind that she even came up. And I
Speaker 2: literally have never told that story to anybody before.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: Tiffany electronic music stuff.
Speaker 4: She was that mall pop singer.
Speaker 6: I'm just wondering if the style of music was even
Speaker 6: processed church people, because remember they were big into lot
Speaker 6: and shit doesn't always have to sound like industrial, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: That eighties kind of electrical rock, right or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like you didn't have a band or whatever. She just
Speaker 4: sang with some music, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm sure you know a Tiffany song.
Speaker 6: Nick, I know, I know is for sure. I just
Speaker 6: can't think of it.
Speaker 2: I was going to say everybody, everybody knows, like I
Speaker 2: think we're alone now yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just trying to remember the actual music if
Speaker 5: it was like digital, like you know, it was electronic
Speaker 5: or was it like actual instruments.
Speaker 2: It was like, I can't remember everything else that came
Speaker 2: out sound Yeah, I mean, how do you even describe
Speaker 2: as like electronic? Kind of weird?
Speaker 11: Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, damn, Tiffany that big,
Speaker 11: that right, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: I can't believe you had a story about Tiffany relative
Speaker 4: to the process. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Well, I just had never heard anybody to make that
Speaker 2: connection before. And you know, sometimes I get stories from
Speaker 2: my brother and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's really cool,
Speaker 2: But I don't know how to put the pieces together.
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, man since said stuff about Depp, and
Speaker 2: he said stuff about Hunter s Thompson and stuff, but
Speaker 2: then he mentioned this Tiffany and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what did she have one fucking song in the eighties
Speaker 2: that everybody knows like who is this who is this girl? Anyways?
Speaker 2: And oh my god, now it it makes sense.
Speaker 4: So according to Jeff Turner, she's born she's also of
Speaker 4: some some like Lebes I believe Lebanese heritage where she's
Speaker 4: like some sort of Sufi high priestess much like Tuesday
Speaker 4: Well was born into Celtic hi priestess. The way he
Speaker 4: explains it is like she was born to a Sufi
Speaker 4: high priestess role.
Speaker 2: And what is this guy's name, Jeff Turner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be happy to introduce you in the folks
Speaker 4: of the interwebs to Jeff Turner.
Speaker 6: Here, somebody's asking about Debbie Gibson.
Speaker 4: Now let me let me let me find uh, let
Speaker 4: me find the actual trailer Traylor. I mean you look up,
Speaker 4: you can look up his videos. Here's a whacky dude.
Speaker 12: I'm just saying some of his Uh, somebody asked about Blondie.
Speaker 12: Wasn't that Blondie Debbie Gibson?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, wasn't that her name? Oh no, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: google it.
Speaker 4: I Don'tbbie Gibson was a difference there, right?
Speaker 2: Oh was it? What's what was Blondie's name?
Speaker 4: Why can't I find the actual trailer to this documentary.
Speaker 2: Oh, Blondie's real name was Angela nevermind fuck me? Oh no,
Speaker 2: Debbie Debbie Harry was born Angela Tremble and then became Blondie.
Speaker 2: So her name is Debbie Harry.
Speaker 4: Look if you want to pop that on screen on interditional,
Speaker 4: Jeff Turner like, this guy looks great.
Speaker 13: Known each other most of her life, and known each
Speaker 13: other most of her life, and we are in love
Speaker 13: with each other, and she's a great the.
Speaker 4: Difference between me. So that's the other stalker they put
Speaker 4: in the film this. Uh, I don't tranest. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think it was actually a hermaphrodite. I think it actually
Speaker 4: did have think if I recall correctly from watching this
Speaker 4: documentary years ago, they described it as having multiple sex
Speaker 4: organs of some sort because at some point in time
Speaker 4: the autistic fella makes fun of fun of it. For
Speaker 4: that or whatever, it becomes a thing.
Speaker 2: So can I just say before you hit play again
Speaker 2: that this person on screen, if you can't see, looks
Speaker 2: like Annie Lennox and Marilyn Manson mixed together. It's like the.
Speaker 4: Same you're on. They claim they were making the documentary
Speaker 4: about Turner, and they made it more about this character.
Speaker 4: That's why I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I mean they they've already done a great job making
Speaker 2: him look crazy, right, they give.
Speaker 4: Them you know, they don't really even introduce him. He's
Speaker 4: just like, oh, I love Tiffany, and then they show
Speaker 4: you this character.
Speaker 2: And they don't truly love love the individual.
Speaker 13: As a sixteen year old, she was forced to get
Speaker 13: a restraining order against Jeff Dean Turner.
Speaker 6: My whole name in there is I don't think you
Speaker 6: might need a six some of counseling.
Speaker 4: I might ask nothing like a stalker to laugh about
Speaker 4: the court.
Speaker 2: My god, But I mean, don't autistic people. It's like
Speaker 2: they just say whatever they know, like they have no
Speaker 2: reason to like make stuff up.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. This dud's clearly got altism, and
Speaker 4: you have to understand that what I'm saying, I'm not
Speaker 4: willing to throw the baby out with the bats up
Speaker 4: because the stuff he says about Tuesday Weld and even
Speaker 4: some of the stuff he says about Tiffany checks out
Speaker 4: she is from this weird family. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, so this is this is kind of on point
Speaker 2: and kind of off point, but have you guys watched
Speaker 2: like Love the Spectrum on Netflix?
Speaker 6: You have, yeah? Or twice? Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I really was unfamiliar with how autistic people
Speaker 2: could be until I.
Speaker 3: Watched that show. And they don't. They don't.
Speaker 2: They're not big into lying. They will literally tell you
Speaker 2: all about your fucking self and like they'll be like,
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't want to go, you know, right,
Speaker 2: I go on a date with you.
Speaker 4: Right. They'll say some off the wall shit that is
Speaker 4: absolutely accurate and honest, but it's not exactly socially appropriate.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying, is like, yeah, okay, this
Speaker 2: guy's autistic, whatever you want to say about him. He's
Speaker 2: got a weird obsession with Tiffany, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: I'm starting to figure out a lot of people with
Speaker 2: autism fixate on things that are just like weird obsessions about,
Speaker 2: like dinosaurs and like Star Wars or whatever.
Speaker 4: His weird obsession with Tuesday World. So he would go
Speaker 4: to the Many, he would go to the set of
Speaker 4: The Many Lives of Debbie Gillis, much like he was stalking,
Speaker 4: you know, Tiffany as an adult. As a young child,
Speaker 4: his parents were taking him to go see Tuesday Wild.
Speaker 2: See. That's what I'm saying is they developed these strange
Speaker 2: interests and they like involved themselves with it, but not
Speaker 2: to the degree of like fabricating stuff, right, they just
Speaker 2: because right right, I think, I think, you know, they
Speaker 2: get so obsessed with it they want to know everything.
Speaker 2: So if there was somebody to ask about this, who
Speaker 2: would know literally all the details, it would be a
Speaker 2: guy like that.
Speaker 4: Right, And it's just so weird to me. After he
Speaker 4: drops all these Tuesday Will details and gets published in
Speaker 4: Steam Shovel Press and Paranoid Magazine and some other publications
Speaker 4: from Adam go Rightley, the author who interviewed him, that
Speaker 4: that film gets made immediately thereafter because.
Speaker 2: They got to make him look like a kook. Absolutely
Speaker 2: and put a transvestite Annie Lennox in there. Absolutely what
Speaker 2: what was Annie Lennox was talking about his character.
Speaker 4: The other character in there, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The one that looks like Marilyn Manson.
Speaker 4: And yeah, the Personal Trainer freak show. You know, I
Speaker 4: don't it's I honestly think, if I recall correctly, I
Speaker 4: looked up and I don't think that person's any longer
Speaker 4: any longer with us, But it's it had a lot
Speaker 4: of problems. They had a lot of problems.
Speaker 2: But I could tell I still.
Speaker 5: Think a lot of I still think a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff that is filmed as in a reality type situation
Speaker 5: is not at all.
Speaker 6: I think it's all still scripted.
Speaker 5: And it's like, like me and JJ have even said this,
Speaker 5: like these might be people and maybe even a perfect
Speaker 5: example of Tuesday. Will this somehow related to somebody who
Speaker 5: are important somehow, either because of a club or a family,
Speaker 5: and they're like, yeah, this.
Speaker 6: This is me, you can do this. We got this
Speaker 6: going mm hmm. And then that's just their way of
Speaker 6: getting in there and getting something to do and getting money.
Speaker 4: Well, oh, go ahead, JJ No, I was just saying again,
Speaker 4: I think to this guy's situations, it's to some degree
Speaker 4: he's part of these same families as well. Right, So
Speaker 4: apparently Teffanie's Jeffrey Turner. So he is autistic, he has
Speaker 4: you know, I think he's just born into a system
Speaker 4: where he they couldn't use the guy for anything else,
Speaker 4: and he just he just seemed to take take notice
Speaker 4: of everything going on around him. That's kind of way.
Speaker 4: That's kind of way I took a situation.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I mean if you look at some
Speaker 2: of even the people who came out in the sixties,
Speaker 2: some of them weren't even like very talented, but they
Speaker 2: became huge megastars.
Speaker 4: And most were not talented, you know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying then, right, Like, sure there were some that could
Speaker 2: sing and play instruments, but like for the majority, it
Speaker 2: was like is this even good? But they made it good.
Speaker 2: They made it so popular that you think that it's good.
Speaker 4: You know who made it good? People like Phil Processed,
Speaker 4: Phil Spector and Process, Bob Cocaine Evans. You know, these
Speaker 4: are the people running the music in the movies in
Speaker 4: Hollywood at the time, right the Laurel Canyon scene, that's
Speaker 4: all Phil Spector, you know, right.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I've listened to like Crosby Still
Speaker 2: Nash and the Birds and like all these people, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're not extraordinarily talented, you know, vocally or
Speaker 2: I mean, there was some really cool songs that came
Speaker 2: out during that decade. That's why I love it so much,
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it was just like, you know,
Speaker 2: they're all their families are military or like real high up,
Speaker 2: and it's like, Okay, you're going to sing now, you're
Speaker 2: gonna do this now, You're gonna.
Speaker 4: Be exactly now, exactly so Turners. Turner's father and stepfather
Speaker 4: were fighter pilots there, and apparently Tiffany has some relations
Speaker 4: to that same group of fighter pilots.
Speaker 2: My god, Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Though, It's
Speaker 2: like they don't even have to really be that talented
Speaker 2: as long as their family was someone.
Speaker 4: Well, let's be honest with Tiffany talented. She may be
Speaker 4: more known for her Playboy apparents showing her sits in
Speaker 4: the nineties than her mall hit in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no shit, no shit.
Speaker 4: Right right after that movie was made with that I
Speaker 4: think We're alone. Now documentary this guy here in the
Speaker 4: in the Silicon Valley area, some sort of tech blog
Speaker 4: Metro Silicon Valley interviews Jeffrey Dene Turner there, you know,
Speaker 4: in the aftermath of that film, and is obviously roasting him,
Speaker 4: but he goes over a lot of the details that
Speaker 4: Turner tells him and the and their and their lunch
Speaker 4: they had together, including which that that Turner claims that
Speaker 4: he met Charles Manson in the late sixties but refused
Speaker 4: to being doctrinated into his family. And he also met
Speaker 4: David Burkle, whit's the son of same serial killer when
Speaker 4: he used to hang out in the South Bay in
Speaker 4: the seventies. Makes a lot of sense. Mouth makes a
Speaker 4: lot of sense. Oh my god, small process stuff, It's
Speaker 4: certainly possible, in my opinion.
Speaker 2: I wanted to shout out somebody I saw in the comments, Tara,
Speaker 2: what's up girl? Thank you so much. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: But you know, the son of Sam thing, if you
Speaker 2: really look into it, you and I did program to
Speaker 2: kill on occult rejects before, and he's in there, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's.
Speaker 4: It's like.
Speaker 2: He can't even he can't even be placed at the
Speaker 2: scene for some of the murders that he went down for,
Speaker 2: and yet he gets blamed for everything. And he tried
Speaker 2: to say, like, there's a much bigger thing going on.
Speaker 2: There's multiple layers. This is this is like, I mean,
Speaker 2: is it process?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I got it. I have another show coming up
Speaker 4: on Wednesday night talking precisely this on the same in
Speaker 4: the process with a author Jonathan Mitchell, so you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Then that he said like, hey, this
Speaker 2: is a way bigger thing.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, not just.
Speaker 2: Me I didn't do all this. I'm so.
Speaker 4: I mean, you signed a memorandum stating all that nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety six and witness not only by Mary Terry, the
Speaker 4: author of Ultimate Evil, but there's another party whose names
Speaker 4: escaping me. He's also signed there. He names people like
Speaker 4: Roy Cone, donald Trump's mentors, being a member of the
Speaker 4: knew it.
Speaker 2: I knew it.
Speaker 6: Dude something.
Speaker 2: Roy Cone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you you and and you and I think maybe
Speaker 5: JJ both have brought his name up multiple times.
Speaker 2: Is a piece of shit. And it's like it's, like
Speaker 2: I said before, I think maybe it was in the
Speaker 2: Program to Kill episode. But it's like, all right, we're
Speaker 2: gonna take all of these people that Donald Trump knows
Speaker 2: that are like his mentors and stuff, people like Roy Kohane,
Speaker 2: and they're known to be pieces of shit, and we're
Speaker 2: just gonna disregard that they have any connection to each other.
Speaker 2: Why is that? Like, I don't understand it.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I guess that's sometimes I wonder if that's like part
Speaker 5: of the magic in itself. I think, well, it's it's
Speaker 5: almost as if like I think, you know, I've heard
Speaker 5: somebody say that they they think they saw this happen
Speaker 5: with I can't remember some some kind of newscaster, but
Speaker 5: like people like start to almost kind of build like
Speaker 5: some false relationship with this person and almost start having
Speaker 5: feelings for them even though they've never met.
Speaker 6: And it's so hard to believe something bad about someone
Speaker 6: after that.
Speaker 5: And if you look at a lot of Trump supporters,
Speaker 5: they're they're infatuated with the guy.
Speaker 2: Well, they think he's like a messiah or something.
Speaker 6: So it's so hard to see.
Speaker 5: After that guy came out on what was it, day
Speaker 5: day two and started talking about the vaccines, I don't
Speaker 5: know how most Trump supporters weren't like, what.
Speaker 2: The fuck dude one hundred with them, and it's like
Speaker 2: it's like he's best he's with or was at least
Speaker 2: besties with Epstein. Right, we're gonna forget that one too,
Speaker 2: I guess, even though there's pictures of him together. You know,
Speaker 2: we're gonna forget about Roy JJ or muted.
Speaker 4: Epstein. Never heard of him?
Speaker 2: Oh right, you're right, never heard of him, Never heard
Speaker 2: heard of I guess that's like I said, that's another
Speaker 2: one that they want you to forget about. But this
Speaker 2: Roy Cohne guy, Oh my god, JJ, you got to
Speaker 2: tell Nick more about him sometime. He's he's literally like,
Speaker 2: wasn't he the one with the Violet scandal or whatever?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did it, we did. Uh, we're gonna We're
Speaker 4: gonna do some more on I think. But we did
Speaker 4: it on the last one of the Mormons and uh
Speaker 4: with the Heidi Love We did a whole series on
Speaker 4: Mormons and parapolitics. And roy Cone comes into play because
Speaker 4: he's on the board of Perman Decks in that JFK situation,
Speaker 4: along along with the Clay Shaw, the man that Jim
Speaker 4: Garrison charged, and the and Joseph Banano, the head of
Speaker 4: the Five Families. He was the head of the Banana family,
Speaker 4: but he was the head of the board of the
Speaker 4: Five Families at the time in New York City. They're
Speaker 4: all sitting on this weird multi national corporation board that's
Speaker 4: in charge of mrkan presidents, Like they try to mark
Speaker 4: the French president twice mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he was wasn't he doing something around the time
Speaker 2: like the Franklin scandal was going on where they were
Speaker 2: bringing little boys to the White House and stuff. That
Speaker 2: was roy co time.
Speaker 4: I think he was he was dead at that time.
Speaker 4: I think he's like God, I think he died just
Speaker 4: prior to the Franklin I mean he may have been
Speaker 4: involved in the Franklins scandal by all means, I'm I
Speaker 4: wouldn't doubt it. The man was well connected in politics
Speaker 4: and Devlin. So but I think he died of age
Speaker 4: in eighty six.
Speaker 2: Well he I remember Paul Banassi saying something about him.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he may he made I
Speaker 4: don't know enough of the details about the Franklin stuff
Speaker 4: that he may very well come up in that. He
Speaker 4: because obviously the Franklin scandal may got outed in the eighties,
Speaker 4: but it was obviously going on a lot longer.
Speaker 2: Than that, right yep, yep, yep, yep. It went all
Speaker 2: the way into the nineties with that civil trial.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: So but anyways, that's besides the point. Roy Kohne knows
Speaker 2: the son of Sam.
Speaker 4: Oh Yeah, he claimed to meet him and gone to
Speaker 4: his parties. They all hung out to the Studio fifty
Speaker 4: four together. So another member of the colt was allegedly
Speaker 4: an aid to the mayor Abe Beam. That man was
Speaker 4: also that was he left that job and beca came
Speaker 4: Roy Cone's law partner in the late seventies. There their
Speaker 4: clients were the Studio fifty four owners.
Speaker 2: That's why the and then he went on to be
Speaker 2: Trump's mentor.
Speaker 4: Oh, he's already telling mentor at this point. He meets
Speaker 4: Trump in nineteen seventy three, Rogers Stone introduces the two
Speaker 4: Roger Stone just meets Trump. He says, Hey, you got
Speaker 4: to meet my friend Roy Cone. So Donald had just
Speaker 4: hired him in seventy minutes seventy eight. I think it's
Speaker 4: seventy eight. You can find a picture of it. It's
Speaker 4: called No, it's called Roy cones fifty second birthday party
Speaker 4: at Studio fifty four. It was a vandy Fair article
Speaker 4: and stuff. Roy Cones got like on a little leash,
Speaker 4: like a little cross dressing Donald Trump right next to
Speaker 4: him there at his party. You think Donald's twenty eight.
Speaker 4: You have that picture he just hired. I'll find it.
Speaker 4: He just hires Roy Cone as his attorney for this
Speaker 4: building he's purchasing, and then Roy's having his birthday party
Speaker 4: at the club where his other clients he's representing in
Speaker 4: some coke trafficking, the Studio fifty four owners. You know
Speaker 4: that was basically so according to Burkewitz, Studio fifty four
Speaker 4: is essentially the Processed Church hangout.
Speaker 2: So he's hanging out, So Roy is hanging out with
Speaker 2: the son of Sam Berkowitz and Trump cross dressed on
Speaker 2: a leash all during the same time.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am. I like to look at
Speaker 4: it like this, that somewhere around Serraa nineteen seventy seventy seven,
Speaker 4: you may have, in fact, had Donald Trump, Roy Cohne,
Speaker 4: David Berkowitz, and Michael Jackson moonwalking around the dance floor
Speaker 4: of Studio fifty four together.
Speaker 2: I can't shut the fuck absolutely up.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, they were all there.
Speaker 2: This is why, this is why I can't get on
Speaker 2: board with any politics whatsoever. It's like you literally, you
Speaker 2: literally cannot choose a team when it comes to this
Speaker 2: stuff because they're all just cross dressing.
Speaker 4: Processed Church members exactly. This is this is the article
Speaker 4: about But the birthday boy Roy Cone is fifty two.
Speaker 4: At fifty four, I'll to find the picture. But in
Speaker 4: this article you'll see another person who I like to
Speaker 4: who's got connections to the Nexteum cult or as I
Speaker 4: like to call them, the Albany Chapter of the Processed Church.
Speaker 4: And that is here at ROYKK. They go over all
Speaker 4: the people to show up here at Roy Cone's birthday party,
Speaker 4: and I'll go over. Donald Trump has listed here too.
Speaker 4: But you got mob figures, you got, you know, mayors,
Speaker 4: you got you know, you got judges you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, District court judges, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And then you scroll down here and you see, uh,
Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer junior. Wow, newcomer Chuck Schumer, a reform assembly
Speaker 4: meant from Brooklyn. He's not even he's not even a
Speaker 4: US congress yet. This is he's assembly man from Brooklyn
Speaker 4: who insisted he was just the date of a gossip
Speaker 4: columnist we sucked off.
Speaker 2: He sucked him off and became.
Speaker 4: I would argue the reason why he's connected to the
Speaker 4: next um stuff now is because he was connected to
Speaker 4: the process stuff back and he.
Speaker 2: Was sucking dudes off.
Speaker 8: I'm telling you, I think that's you not accept that
Speaker 8: going in the door, I think, right, right.
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever watched Adventures in Babysitting and it's
Speaker 2: like you, nobody leaves his place without singing the blues, well,
Speaker 2: without sucking the dick.
Speaker 11: So that's right, Hey, wasn't that Chuck Berry in that
Speaker 11: that said that nobody gets out of here without singing
Speaker 11: the blues.
Speaker 2: That was Chuck Berry?
Speaker 4: Was that really? Chuck? Very? Holy shit? So long, Erry, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so long? Is that around the same time he was filming,
Speaker 4: he was filming prostitutes to fart in his mouth.
Speaker 6: Come.
Speaker 4: Yeah. When they raided they raided his house in the
Speaker 4: late nineties, early I think it was late nineties. He
Speaker 4: had installed cameras and all these Kfcason taco bells across
Speaker 4: the Midwest that he owned in women's toilets, and he
Speaker 4: got in The FEDS rated the restaurants in his house
Speaker 4: about that. When they raided his house, the FED sees
Speaker 4: the box of videos of him recording himself hiring hookers
Speaker 4: just to fart in their mouths, and he uh, the
Speaker 4: Feds releasedless. The reason why this came out somebody leads
Speaker 4: into the tabloids, you know what I mean, So like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, nobody gets out of this taco bell
Speaker 2: without farting in my mouth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he'd already been convicted, you know, child Saxophone
Speaker 4: remain Act decades prior. But he got busted for filming
Speaker 4: women in bathroom toilets. That of restaurants he owned o
Speaker 4: my god, Taco Bell, Jack Barry, Yeah right, Taco Bell
Speaker 4: all places. JJ.
Speaker 6: This might be the picture. I'm gonna throw it up
Speaker 6: on the screens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it. I was looking.
Speaker 6: This is it.
Speaker 4: That's it et your old Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's just like and uh, you know
Speaker 2: they'd got they dressed him up as a girl too.
Speaker 4: Yep. So, according according to this article about that party
Speaker 4: right there, Trump has just hired Roy Cone to be
Speaker 4: his attorneys. Well that again, that's you probably do that
Speaker 4: in the in the coat room before you can get
Speaker 4: into the actual place. The crowd from my recent voice
Speaker 4: series was their thirty two year old developer of the
Speaker 4: Commodore Hotel and the convention Center, Donald Trump. So he
Speaker 4: had just right prior to this photograph, he had just
Speaker 4: hired Roy Cone as his attorney. But he'd known Roy
Speaker 4: for about six years, about five years.
Speaker 2: That's how that's why he knew to show up to
Speaker 2: the party in full drag.
Speaker 4: He's like, yes, some folks, if you have some folks,
Speaker 4: there's some folks in the Son of Sam community. I'm
Speaker 4: not one of them, but there's there are some folks
Speaker 4: in the Son of Sam community that think one of
Speaker 4: the sketches of these shooters looks a lot like Donald Trump. Oh,
Speaker 4: would have been about twenty six at the time.
Speaker 2: Woww yes, yes, you know. My somebody in my family
Speaker 2: the other day they sent me this hoodie. They were like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I gotta get this. And it was
Speaker 2: a picture of Donald Trump in front of the White
Speaker 2: House and it said Daddy's Home. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna kill myself if I see another thing
Speaker 2: like this. I mean, it's just so yeah, Daddy's home
Speaker 2: to suck Dixon the White House, you know, right, look
Speaker 2: at this stuff. He probably flirted in his mouth right
Speaker 2: after this picture was.
Speaker 4: So he would have been twenty five at the time
Speaker 4: of the sketch.
Speaker 6: Right here, I believe Trump was yelling, drill, baby, drill.
Speaker 4: Here, here's the here's the son of Sam sketch. Shooter
Speaker 4: sketch looks a lot like Donald Trump, with or without drag.
Speaker 4: This would have been a couple of years pre drag.
Speaker 4: This has been seventy six. That was seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, look at that.
Speaker 2: It looks like freaking what's his son's name, Baron, Baron.
Speaker 2: Look at that picture. That's the young young truck.
Speaker 4: I suppose the circumstantial argument could be made he did
Speaker 4: know Roy Cohen, who Burkowitz claimed was a member of
Speaker 4: the process. But now I have never seen anything they
Speaker 4: claimed Burkowitz new Donald Trump or claimed he was one
Speaker 4: of the shooters. He's identified all of these shooters as
Speaker 4: somebody else. But there is you know, there is this
Speaker 4: sketch that people like this. You know, hey, why does
Speaker 4: this look like him?
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 2: Literally, why does it look like him? Damn, that is
Speaker 2: got to be him. I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 2: That looks just like if you well, like, because I've
Speaker 2: studied the zodiac and they have like the zodiac composite
Speaker 2: sketch and every single person they try to put next
Speaker 2: to it and say, oh, this was the Zodiac, this
Speaker 2: was the Zodiac. I'm like, dude, that looks nothing like
Speaker 2: the composite sketch. I would know that Trump without even
Speaker 2: seeing the side by side like that looks kay, and
Speaker 2: he as fun.
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. The hair even fits him today
Speaker 5: still the way wow, it's like very sometimes stick on
Speaker 5: one side and.
Speaker 2: The weird eyebrow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to find a picture of him at
Speaker 4: that time. I can't find a picture of the age
Speaker 4: of twenty five or twenty six, Like one of.
Speaker 2: Them sticks up way more than the other one.
Speaker 9: That's crazy dead riger for real, for real?
Speaker 4: Yes, oh thank you, Yeah, I mean it does. It
Speaker 4: does have bear resemblance. There's no question.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just blew my entire mind because I've
Speaker 2: talked about Roy Roy Kohane for the last like year now,
Speaker 2: since I read the pet the I covered it in
Speaker 2: the Pedophocracy series, but since I read Program to Kill
Speaker 2: and I found out about him and his connection to Trump,
Speaker 2: I've been talking about him, and I'm like, people need
Speaker 2: a lookit at this guy because he's fucked up. But
Speaker 2: I didn't note to the to the degree cross dressing
Speaker 2: and shit like that. Son of Sam Processed Church. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think Donald Trump knew Tuesday Well, but he
Speaker 4: definitely knew her cousin Bill Weld. Mmmm, they got you know,
Speaker 4: the politician crazy I won Bill Well ran againstm Right
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen. Right he was the He was the
Speaker 4: Libertarian Party's VP against Trump in twenty sixteen, Bill Wild.
Speaker 2: Can you find a recent picture of her? I feel
Speaker 2: like that would be a good way to sum everything up.
Speaker 2: I just wonder what she lives like now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's actually aged decently, you know, as far as
Speaker 4: you know, comparison to like you were saying, Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 4: and Jane Mansfield.
Speaker 2: I guess right, Yeah, who died very ritualistically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jane Mansfield. Jane Mansfield knew the son of Sam
Speaker 4: cult people, damn it. She was also the Westchester politician,
Speaker 4: Westchester County politician.
Speaker 2: That's nuts.
Speaker 4: She was on She's Buried.
Speaker 2: There the album cover for Magical Mystery Tour. Okay, you
Speaker 2: know the Beetles cover that's got.
Speaker 6: Like all differenter.
Speaker 2: Sergeant Peppers, sorry, Sergeant Peppers. She's right there, and she's
Speaker 2: commonly mistaken to be Marilyn Monroe. But it's Jane Jane Mansfield.
Speaker 4: Okay, I know what you're talking about. That's Jane Mansweld,
Speaker 4: not Marilyn Monroe. I wonder if he like Tuesday Weld
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: I wonder if you picked apart all those people, if
Speaker 6: you'd see some sort of commonality between.
Speaker 2: All you should pull it up, because actually I have one.
Speaker 2: Oh is that her right there?
Speaker 4: That's supposedly her in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: She don't look terrible.
Speaker 4: No, that's what I'm saying. She doesn't look you know,
Speaker 4: she's got her hair, you know what I mean. She
Speaker 4: seems maybe have her teeth still, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like her skin is pretty smooth, probably
Speaker 2: from all of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she doesn't. She doesn't look too much like a
Speaker 4: demon dushy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she probably got baby Dick's skin injected into her
Speaker 2: face or whatever they do, baby scrolled of blood. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: all like creams and ointments. They reb on each other's
Speaker 2: be holes, right, But yeah, no, Nick, pull up that
Speaker 2: cover because I actually I feel like this is the
Speaker 2: cover that people talk about was like one of the
Speaker 2: major signals that the old Paul had died and was
Speaker 2: replaced by the new Paul. And if you really look
Speaker 2: at it, there are so many things in there, even
Speaker 2: beside Jane's Jane Mansfield, which she was killed in a
Speaker 2: car act the same way that they say the old
Speaker 2: Paul was killed in a carreck. Sure, so right, I
Speaker 2: do feel like that's significant because if you were going
Speaker 2: to put somebody on there and everybody mistakes it as
Speaker 2: being Marilyn Monroe, but it's like they both the old
Speaker 2: Paul supposedly and Jane Mansfield died in like horrific car accidents.
Speaker 4: That's definitely, that's definitely a different Paul. There's no way
Speaker 4: that's the same Paul.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it's not. If you look. If you look,
Speaker 2: it's like the new Beatles are burying the dead. See
Speaker 2: if you look at the original Beatles, it's like they're
Speaker 2: all sad and they're mourning and they're looking at the grave.
Speaker 2: And then it's like a super tall Paul in blue
Speaker 2: that's way taller than the Paul over here, because he
Speaker 2: was supposedly like six inches taller than the old Paul.
Speaker 2: And they definitely you can see that. And then they
Speaker 2: have right over there Jane Mansfield front and she's right
Speaker 2: in the very front row, commonly mistaken for Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 2: and the gold dress. There's also I think Edgar Allan
Speaker 2: Poe he died weird. There's Alistair Crowley in the back
Speaker 2: Karl Marks yep, if you I don't know, so, I
Speaker 2: guess it would be my top left. You can see
Speaker 2: Alistair Crowley right there isn't Hitler in here somewhere too.
Speaker 2: I feel like Marlon Brando mm hmmm, I mean Marylyn
Speaker 2: Marilyn Monroe is in there. She's in black and white,
Speaker 2: see it. Yeah, yeah, but she's not the center of attention,
Speaker 2: not like Jane over here for sure. And uh, they're
Speaker 2: standing at a grave, which I have always thought was significant,
Speaker 2: Like why are they standing at a grave with the
Speaker 2: old Beatles like sad and crying and shit? Right, I
Speaker 2: just I don't know. There's something about the little girl
Speaker 2: in the chair too, with the red and white striped
Speaker 2: shirt on right there. Yeah, yeah, there's something about that too. Oh,
Speaker 2: I wish I could go back. I did an episode
Speaker 2: on it, and there there's something it looks like it's
Speaker 2: got like like a blood welcome the Rolling Stones and
Speaker 2: it looks like it's like splattered with blood.
Speaker 6: Creepy, yeah, like on the arm. It actually does something
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's something about that too. It was like
Speaker 2: the transitioning between the old Beetles and the new Beetles
Speaker 2: in the Rolling Stones something like that. It was around
Speaker 2: like the same time. I can't remember when they replaced Paul,
Speaker 2: but uh, it.
Speaker 4: Was right before this sixty six. This is sixty seven
Speaker 4: mm hmmm, twenty years ago today Sergeant Pepper taught the
Speaker 4: band to play. Is often assumed they're talking about Crowley
Speaker 4: he died really.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I think this is one of
Speaker 2: those rabbit holes you can go down because it's just
Speaker 2: such a hodgepodge of like weird stuff and like why
Speaker 2: why put it together in that way?
Speaker 4: Well, their process, I mean you're doing we're process stuff.
Speaker 4: Well that's where that's where John Matt Yoko was the process. Mayfair. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was owned. It was owned by Paul mccartt, the
Speaker 4: original Paul's girlfriend's brother, Jane Asher, was his girlfriend. Peter Asher,
Speaker 4: major major music producer guy in Hollywood till this till
Speaker 4: this day. I think he's associated with the p Diddy stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken that he was a member of the
Speaker 4: process and he owned the coffee shop and headquarters over
Speaker 4: there in the Mayfair district. Their first cousin, Jane and
Speaker 4: Peter Asher's first cousin, lives in canab Utah today. She's
Speaker 4: an og member of the process.
Speaker 2: So do you know if the guy who shot John
Speaker 2: Lennon was processed?
Speaker 4: Because we were just talking about that. Actually, we were
Speaker 4: just talking about that Friday night, weren't we, Nick, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we were on our Friday night show. We were talking
Speaker 4: why do we start tall because our guest was talking
Speaker 4: about the jfk assassination in Lennon Vans, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I know a lenin Van and there's a guy that
Speaker 4: drives around America claiming that Stephen King murdered John Lennon.
Speaker 4: But we started talking about the process and everything else.
Speaker 2: Really, are you.
Speaker 4: Know from Avery Stephen King murder John Lennon.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past him, right because I know
Speaker 2: that the guy that they blamed it on, Mark David
Speaker 2: Wasn't that his name? Chapman Chapman Yep, he was a
Speaker 2: good friend of Kenneth Anger.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He had some connections right to scientology too, I
Speaker 4: believe right.
Speaker 2: So I just wondered if the process came in anywhere
Speaker 2: with that, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look more into it. I mean, it happened
Speaker 4: to Dakota Building. That's where Bob Cokaine Evans and Roman
Speaker 4: Polanski film There's Satanist Shit Show of the film. Rosemary
Speaker 4: Baby was supposed to start Tuesday. Well until she turned
Speaker 4: it down.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you go, there's the tie back.
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be Tuesday. The High Priestess Witch
Speaker 2: herself no.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure there's more of than len murder there
Speaker 4: with the process, for sure, quite.
Speaker 2: Positive, who fucking even knows, But yeah, I think this
Speaker 2: is a really great place for people to, like, if
Speaker 2: they've never looked into her, or if they're this this
Speaker 2: is like the first time they're ever hearing about her,
Speaker 2: to go and just look at her Wikipedia, because there's
Speaker 2: you know, if you start at the top and you
Speaker 2: just go all the way down, there's so many things
Speaker 2: in there you just would not believe like she's connected
Speaker 2: to or that she people, that she knew, the circles
Speaker 2: she traveled in. And some people have even speculated that
Speaker 2: that plane crash with Buddy Hawley and the Big Bopper
Speaker 2: and Richie Allen's was like the sacrifice that ascended Tuesday
Speaker 2: into the counterculture movement.
Speaker 4: I'm glad, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you.
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, yeah, by Domin Queen right, Hi, Yes, would
Speaker 10: you believe that Domin Lean's forefather is first of all,
Speaker 10: Domin Klean's a member of the Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: His forefather wasn't well a potential member. His forefather was
Speaker 4: a member. His paternal forefather and his paternal forefather most
Speaker 4: certainly knew Elizer Weld. Colonel Eliser Weld there and they
Speaker 4: served together.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe that's what the connection is though, because
Speaker 2: they say that's what it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like there were they're rumored to be dating, right,
Speaker 4: Weld and McLean, right, and that's what he writes that
Speaker 4: song about the tribute to the power well hold, their
Speaker 4: families have history together.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, because I never I never knew what the
Speaker 2: tie was because they said, you know that plane crash,
Speaker 2: it was the sacrifice for Tuesday, and then she was
Speaker 2: supposed to like ascend into whatever, and then the the
Speaker 2: American Pie song was supposed to be about that and
Speaker 2: about and then oh my god.
Speaker 4: Do you know the source of that sale you just described? No,
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dean Turner, the Autistic Man in the Kitchen to
Speaker 4: say say, California. Yeah, that was from the Rightley series.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. The dude's onto something, right, He's
Speaker 4: got you make some good points. He makes some good points.
Speaker 2: I want to meet the fucker. I want him on
Speaker 2: my show.
Speaker 4: He's still a lovey. I'm sure you'd probably contact him.
Speaker 4: But that song is definitely about that song is definitely
Speaker 4: about a ritual. I mean, the last the last the
Speaker 4: entire last verse is all about is it mentioned Satan twice?
Speaker 4: The Tanic rituals? Everything else?
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. One of my favorite songs too, is crazy
Speaker 2: you know, you know when you the first time you
Speaker 2: hear it, like I was a kid the first time
Speaker 2: I heard it, and you just sing it, you know,
Speaker 2: and passing because it's catchy, but it means something totally
Speaker 2: different to me as an adult. Yeah, I mean. And
Speaker 2: by the way, if I was to ever get in
Speaker 2: contact with this autistic guy, I would not want to
Speaker 2: interview him alone. I would definitely need back.
Speaker 4: Let me know, if you get a hold of them
Speaker 4: several people, you get a hold of them, all, I'll come.
Speaker 4: I'll come question the man. I'll talk autism with the guy.
Speaker 11: You know, Yeah, you are not autistic, are you?
Speaker 4: I don't I've never been testing. My son is extremely definite.
Speaker 4: He's definitely autistic.
Speaker 2: But you know, I've mentioned to Colby before because like
Speaker 2: we've done shows together, and I'll be like, the way
Speaker 2: JJ can recall information, you know, maybe you are autistic.
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, Like I can't remember ship the way.
Speaker 4: You can my son's got me? My my son's got
Speaker 4: me beat you know, he's a he he was diagnosed,
Speaker 4: so they never sent me to a doctor. I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: like he and I operate on the same wavelength.
Speaker 2: No for sure, Like I have to have notes. I
Speaker 2: have to, you know, go back because I'll forget ship
Speaker 2: and like be trying to go off my memory and
Speaker 2: I can't remember shit. But some of the stuff that
Speaker 2: you bring up, I'm like, how the fuck does he
Speaker 2: remember all this? It's like verbatim quotes and like places
Speaker 2: and like stuff in history.
Speaker 4: But we'll do some autism and autism with the Jeffrey
Speaker 4: Den Turner sometime.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't have it any other way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to be there, but no, thanks for having
Speaker 2: me on though, you guys. I think this was a
Speaker 2: really cool episode.
Speaker 6: Definitely, definitely, No, for.
Speaker 4: Sure, I had a great time. I got one question
Speaker 4: for you, Julia. So you know, not necessarily a Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 4: you know band, but obviously not really Hollywood band either,
Speaker 4: for you know, la see at all really, but Leonard Skinnered.
Speaker 4: They saying Tuesday's Gone in nineteen seventy three and they're
Speaker 4: playing crashes in nineteen seventy seven. What are your thoughts on?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 4: Ka Family my favorite band. That's my favorite band. I
Speaker 4: can't forget.
Speaker 2: I love skinnerd Oh my god, it's like one of
Speaker 2: my favees.
Speaker 4: Geez. August nineteen seventy three, the jam Tuesday's gone. August
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy seven, the band was gone. Well excellent.
Speaker 2: If anybody told my well, I think I've actually talked
Speaker 2: to Dick about this before. But if anybody's followed my
Speaker 2: show for a while, they know that I've put together
Speaker 2: all these like weird things that happened in August or
Speaker 2: around eights and stuff like Marilyn Monroe died in August.
Speaker 2: Tuesday Weld was born in August. Apparently they came out
Speaker 2: with this song in August and then died what August
Speaker 2: the next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the October seventy seven is when Skinners August, which
Speaker 4: it claimed most of the band. I think all but
Speaker 4: three three members. I think we're all well killed there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I mean I think it's weird. Did the
Speaker 2: song Did you say the song came out in August?
Speaker 4: Yeah, August the seventy three, I believe it was.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So I mean there's just we have this August.
Speaker 4: August thirteenth, that was August ninth. Was August the ninth
Speaker 4: of the the tenth, tenth, and eleventh I think were
Speaker 4: the Manson murders. Right, is that is that right August
Speaker 4: to the eleventh.
Speaker 2: It's always August nineteen sixty nine, it's always August. If
Speaker 2: people look and they see, like if you even google
Speaker 2: like tragedies that happened in August, celebrities that died in August,
Speaker 2: it's like, it's astounding the amount of stuff that that
Speaker 2: has went down that seems super ritualistic to me in August,
Speaker 2: liked when did Buddy When did the Buddy Holly plane
Speaker 2: go down? Was that August?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I think that was February.
Speaker 2: February, Okay, I had a whole list of these August things.
Speaker 2: I wish I had that list still so I could
Speaker 2: tell you some of the stuff.
Speaker 4: But oh, there's a lot of Zudio stuff popping off
Speaker 4: along with Man's and stuff right in August that same year.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, I think John Bennet was born in August.
Speaker 2: You know, just the more you look for it, you'll
Speaker 2: find it. And it used to not be significant to me,
Speaker 2: but then the more I started looking into it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: another August, another August, another August, and so it's kind
Speaker 2: of mean something.
Speaker 4: Given these cult folks we're talking about in their affinity
Speaker 4: for the Star Sirius, this ancient alien cargo cult systems
Speaker 4: these people all subscribe to and their affinity for the
Speaker 4: Star system serious or dog Star? Is this going on
Speaker 4: during the dog days of summer? What you're describing it
Speaker 4: sounds like it is?
Speaker 2: It is, Yeah, because I wanted to look further into it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to tangent too hard. But you know
Speaker 2: Santos Binacci, right and his Holy Science, and you know
Speaker 2: the zodiacting.
Speaker 4: And I'm not familiar with this guy, but next Nixon he's.
Speaker 2: A cool guy.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It actually follows me on Instagram. I was like, what
Speaker 6: the fuck.
Speaker 4: Okay, he's a big astrologer, he has.
Speaker 6: I think he's done some great work.
Speaker 5: I just think he's getting a little old and a
Speaker 5: little fried out at this point, that's all.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he's done the same presentation so many times.
Speaker 2: He's he's kind of burned himself out on it. But
Speaker 2: the information is still really cool. And he talks about
Speaker 2: the Dog Day, the serious dog days of summer, and
Speaker 2: he talks about significant things happening during that time because
Speaker 2: it's under the sign of Leo and the sun worship,
Speaker 2: and most of these cults and a lot of religions
Speaker 2: are based off of sun worship. I think Catholicism is
Speaker 2: one of the most guilty parties of sun worship. But
Speaker 2: you know, August is Leo, it's the it's the Sun,
Speaker 2: and it's also the dog days, the serious days. So
Speaker 2: it's literally like multiple things at one time during that
Speaker 2: part of the year.
Speaker 4: So Cargo cultis love sirious, all of them, the more
Speaker 4: the process, all the Rosicrucians, the Masons, they all love serious.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the Uh. The civilization that built go Beckley
Speaker 2: Tepe built it in alignment with serious. It's anciently old.
Speaker 2: The ancient civilization that built Gig and Tea it's on Malta,
Speaker 2: they built it in alignment with the Star. Serious. If
Speaker 2: you look at the Truman Show even there are several
Speaker 2: mentions to Siious in the Truman Show with Jim Carrey
Speaker 2: and also Jim Carrey the mask. It's a it's a
Speaker 2: story about Serious and Loki. So I mean it's ever
Speaker 2: you look for the mask. Yeah, the yeah, the folkal
Speaker 2: are behind the mask. The real mask is about Loki
Speaker 2: and dog Star. Serious. So if you look for it,
Speaker 2: serious symbology is everywhere. It is everywhere, and it's sin.
Speaker 4: Like eighties are better than serious? What does that mean?
Speaker 6: What somebody says that?
Speaker 4: Well, I just wonder because that's who founded the town
Speaker 4: of Moscow, Idaho. Was this Plates Club? Yeah? Yeah, they
Speaker 4: started the university there, the wife of the first president
Speaker 4: and six wives of six administrators or teachers. They were
Speaker 4: seven sisters of Plates. There's Plates Club. That's seems to
Speaker 4: be some cult origins of that town. I just I
Speaker 4: don't know enough about Plates. I don't know enough about Stars.
Speaker 4: I don't believe in him. Nazi's describing to me Instea
Speaker 4: did kid diddlers, and I don't believe in anything either
Speaker 4: one of those.
Speaker 2: Parties say, well, they seem to believe in it. That's
Speaker 2: what I care about. I want to know why. I
Speaker 2: want to know why something.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I don't believe in what they're describing
Speaker 4: it as, right, Like, I'm sure there's something right, some
Speaker 4: kind of affecting there is.
Speaker 2: This is a cult you can look into JJ. It's
Speaker 2: called the the Order of the Solar Temple. They were
Speaker 2: also I think they were dog stars, serious followers.
Speaker 6: You know, what's you know, it's funny. That just reminded me.
Speaker 5: No, Lie, I recorded part in one of a two
Speaker 5: part series or that with Thresh and Mike probably eight months.
Speaker 4: Ago and never about the Solar Temple.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we never got to part two yet. I totally forgot.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is wild latantly cult. It's blatantly a cult.
Speaker 6: They didn't hide anything.
Speaker 5: They burned places down, killed people. There was multiple suicides
Speaker 5: choreographed in different countries.
Speaker 2: In Switzerland and France. And they also took all of
Speaker 2: their inspiration from Alice Bailey, who was at the Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, seem to go back to theosophy.
Speaker 2: Alice with the New Age ideals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like the way you. Wikipedia describes this cult
Speaker 4: variously described as a esoteric new religious movement, a neo
Speaker 4: Templar group, a Rosic Crucian organization, a doomsday or suicide cult,
Speaker 4: a new magical movement, a magical esoteric religion, or a
Speaker 4: secret society, among many other descriptors. These people there, they
Speaker 4: got a lot of skill sets. They are pretty prolific.
Speaker 2: I like, I like this call dude JJ. The body
Speaker 2: count is seventy four for this town. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Again, that's multiple countries I think are involved, Like possibly
Speaker 5: yeah too, at least I think.
Speaker 4: They talking to Jim Jones situation. These are independent activities
Speaker 4: of seventy four.
Speaker 2: They're independent and it spanned over three years of death.
Speaker 4: Good lord, Yes, you.
Speaker 2: Got to look into him. Man, They're they're fucking balls
Speaker 2: to the wall nuts, so crazy.
Speaker 4: I definitely will. Nick's been telling about him too, for sure,
Speaker 4: I'll definitely look into him. Thank you. Yeah, I see
Speaker 4: the serious worship there too. Yeah. Ye yes, it's always
Speaker 4: serious always.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, guys, this was a good one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: That's what mind blowing to me.
Speaker 4: I've been looking forward to talking Tuesday Well and I
Speaker 4: appreciated Julia that I, you know, had an opportunity to
Speaker 4: share some Tuesday Well thoughts with you here today. Hell yeah,
Speaker 4: let me let me know if you get ahold of
Speaker 4: that autistic fell I'll be happy to help.
Speaker 2: I will let I'll let you know if I get
Speaker 2: you know what the most mind blowing part of this
Speaker 2: show for me was cross dressing Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: I think there you go.
Speaker 4: A hunter nightmares from now on. Cross dressing Trump on
Speaker 4: a leash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so crazy to me. David Burka WIT's in
Speaker 2: the background.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, parting it up, all coked out.
Speaker 2: On all the place, just each other.
Speaker 4: We don't know if he was there. We don't know
Speaker 4: if he's Oh.
Speaker 10: He was there, come on, and he's just pumping, oh yeah,
Speaker 10: singing his number one hit, My Dangling.
Speaker 4: It's a real song. It's a real song. He was
Speaker 4: the number one hit for him.
Speaker 2: Oh god, no way. Maybe we should do Maybe we
Speaker 2: should do the next one on Chuck Berry.
Speaker 6: Maybe you might actually find some decent stuff in that.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. Nobody tabloid article, right, nobody gets out
Speaker 2: of the place touching my Dangling.
Speaker 4: I appreciate your all time today with the Tuesday Wells
Speaker 4: conversation for sure.
Speaker 6: Any of the folks in the interwebs, all right, you're good,
Speaker 6: We're done.
Speaker 4: Ytty closing savements. You gotta closing thoughts there?
Speaker 6: Uh no, not really no, I thought it was really good.
Speaker 5: Like again, I feel bad I didn't have anything to add,
Speaker 5: but I mean, there was just this is just interesting,
Speaker 5: so many different things that they connected to. I even like,
Speaker 5: not to bring it back up, but even starting to follow.
Speaker 5: Like I was thinking for a while at these plane crashes,
Speaker 5: like there's even something like that's like this man, Yeah,
Speaker 5: plane crashes. Rfk, you have plane clashes to those guys
Speaker 5: who are for La Bamba. I mean, it's all these people.
Speaker 5: It's like, why are we using planes? Should knocking people off?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I did a plane crash episode if
Speaker 2: you guys want me to talk about it sometimes. But
Speaker 2: Alia is a crazy one. O.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I might actually be interested on that. That was something.
Speaker 5: Oh god, I'm sorry, I'm hijacking the show now, but
Speaker 5: real quick, I think it inspired me to do this.
Speaker 5: I started. I did a couple of shows where I
Speaker 5: covered the seventeenth of every month and weird stuff that
Speaker 5: happened on that, and there was one there was a
Speaker 5: few times where.
Speaker 6: Plane crashes were huge. I'm okay, what is up with
Speaker 6: plane crashes on the date of the seventeenth.
Speaker 2: Cause it's an eight. That's that's the dog star. Yeah serious,
Speaker 2: the infinity symbol.
Speaker 4: Seriously serious, all right, that's what I appreciate. The operation
Speaker 4: GCD take Over again I wasn't going to have this conversation,
Speaker 4: not on occult rejects when when we're all you know,
Speaker 4: when Julian I Recult Rejects, we spawned this whole show
Speaker 4: off of last week's The Cult Elvis Show, which I
Speaker 4: can't I highly recommend folks check out.
Speaker 5: Yes next week, all right, next week, yeah, yes, all right.
Speaker 5: I guess we'll wrap it up here. And h yo,
Speaker 5: the chat was off the hook. Thank you everybody in
Speaker 5: the chat. That's what's up. I tried to pay attention
Speaker 5: and throw up a lot of your comments. Uh so,
Speaker 5: thank you all again, and thank you Tyr.
Speaker 6: That's what's up. You're the best. And that's the end
Speaker 6: of another Cult regex until the next one.
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