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<v Speaker 1>So a boy, David Shabbaz, what's up, man?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, what's going on? Jeral good to be on here

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<v Speaker 2>with you, d.

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<v Speaker 1>See the author of Black Gold. What's up? What's up

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<v Speaker 1>about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was actually just a that was actually just

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<v Speaker 2>one of the headlines. The actual title of the book

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<v Speaker 2>is Pro Wrestling's Black World Champions write.

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<v Speaker 1>Down Pro Wrestling Black World Champions, Got You, Got You?

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<v Speaker 2>Got You?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I saw, I'm saying it's such a people

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<v Speaker 1>like to you know, get into a gain to them,

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<v Speaker 1>like this specific topic about black So yeah, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it's very cool. I saw your press release for the book,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, not knowing that right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the third edition. Yes, yes, the original came

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<v Speaker 2>out in two thousand and nine and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>small publication. As you can probably imagine, there were very

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<v Speaker 2>few Black World Champions at that time, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's grown over the years, which is good

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<v Speaker 2>for our people.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, yeah, like how many? How many? Like on

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<v Speaker 1>top of your head, do you think Black World Champions

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<v Speaker 1>were back in two and nine? You had because it's

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<v Speaker 1>before this, before Mark Henry watch, you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it become the ECW Champion you count that one eat

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<v Speaker 1>W championship.

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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of a like an asterisk because it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the true e c W.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's it's debatable. It's de beatiful.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time, it wasn't. It wasn't. Well, I understand

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying, and that's why it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>included because but it wasn't the independent e c W

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<v Speaker 2>federation at that time. It was owned by w w E.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean, so would it count if let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's say it's that e c W. Let's say it

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<v Speaker 1>was the w c W championship that Mark Honey one, right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still count or.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about under w W E. Yah, under Night War.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if Mark any won that championships.

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<v Speaker 2>It still would have it still would have carried what

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<v Speaker 2>we considered an asterisk. I mean, but yes, he was

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<v Speaker 2>listed in that in that publication.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, all right, cool, cool, cool. So so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get more to that. So just real quick, tell youbody

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself or who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, David Shabaz, I'm a uh scholar, I'm a college professor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a scholar of sports and sports communication. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not you know, some people will say I'm a historian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really a historian. I'm a scholar. They're there

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<v Speaker 2>are people out there who know much more, uh, statistics

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<v Speaker 2>and all about, you know, professional wrestling than I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not particularly a fan in the true sense of

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<v Speaker 2>the word, because fan is short for fanatic. Yes, not

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<v Speaker 2>a fanatic. I don't dress up in costumes. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>watch every episode of professional wrestling. I've been watching professional

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<v Speaker 2>wrestling throughout my life, but I don't watch the Independence.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't watch every episode of NXT. I don't watch that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what that's the difference with me. That's why I say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a fan per se, because I don't watch

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<v Speaker 2>just to watch. If it doesn't entertain me, if it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have somebody that I like, I'm gonna flip the

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<v Speaker 2>channel and watch something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, that's crazy. I was gonna actally later on,

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<v Speaker 1>like you watch the local in the stuff man. I

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<v Speaker 1>got well real quick. I got a text for my

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<v Speaker 1>boy Russ saw to him the band Space podcast. He

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<v Speaker 1>told me something about what you told me about there's

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<v Speaker 1>a pc W show in Canada South Carolina, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he has his eye on his eyes, so Sley very

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<v Speaker 1>cooped potential. But yeah, okay, so I guess we won't

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<v Speaker 1>get too independent stuff. Cool. What's it called? Real quick?

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<v Speaker 1>But you said you said you're two things. You said

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<v Speaker 1>that you're professor at the college called just that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh well, it's a it's a midwestern university. I'd rather

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<v Speaker 2>not say the name of the school.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay? And and uh you're a live from Kentucky, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet, I just want to get that clear right now,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Clues, but I just don't want to say the name

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<v Speaker 2>of the university, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Got you? Got you? I respect that's that, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh so, so you said that you're not a

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<v Speaker 1>historic You're not You're not h was not a history,

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<v Speaker 1>You're a Scott yes, mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well this, this particular publication goes back to my brother.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother Julian was the one who was this publication

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<v Speaker 2>and and those you made familiar with him. He was

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<v Speaker 2>basically the scholar historian of black professional wrestlers. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>Black Stars of Professional Wrestling back in nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>This was before there was all of these podcasts and

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<v Speaker 2>all of this focusing on black professional wrestlers. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the one that was doing that, and this was his

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<v Speaker 2>publication originally, and when he passed in twenty twenty, I

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<v Speaker 2>updated his book back in twenty twenty two, which was

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<v Speaker 2>the second edition, and the industry of course has grown

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<v Speaker 2>and has recognized the talents and the marketability, I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>of more black wrestlers. And so this one is the

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<v Speaker 2>third edition and it's really more a mind which has

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<v Speaker 2>uh some scholarship in it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Got you, got you?

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<v Speaker 2>Got you?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, what got you into wrestling in the first place?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how not not a fan, but what got you

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<v Speaker 1>interrestling in the first place? And not a fanatic? But

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<v Speaker 1>like what got you interrestling?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, I've watched what professional wrestling my

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<v Speaker 2>entire life. My family grew up watching professional wrestling, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that's always been a part of me.

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<v Speaker 1>So pretty much by by relation, right by by your family.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's kind of how I got thro rustling too,

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<v Speaker 1>Like my sisters like low key force it on me.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well I got two older sisters, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, that's how I got into rustling. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so let's just to start with your brother, he

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<v Speaker 1>started this and he took up from there. So why

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<v Speaker 1>is it so important the catalog? Not only well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>say you, why is it so important to the catalogue,

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<v Speaker 1>especially black world champions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because there's so few. And the whole thing about

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<v Speaker 2>being a champion itself, and a black champion, it goes

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<v Speaker 2>back to it's a reflection of all of the struggles

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<v Speaker 2>that black people have had to go through, especially we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about African Americans in this particular, in this society,

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<v Speaker 2>we have always had the struggle and always had to

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<v Speaker 2>fight harder and always had to prove ourselves. Because professional wrestling,

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<v Speaker 2>which is different from amateur or Olympic wrestling. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>pure wrestling, will it's not just about your or talent

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not competition based. People are looking at other

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<v Speaker 2>aspects like your character and your presentation and your marketability.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you put butts in the seats? You know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many different factors that they look at before they

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<v Speaker 2>put the belt on you, because there was so many

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<v Speaker 2>people before that they considered but never got the actual belt.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. And what yeah, what it means to be

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<v Speaker 1>world champion?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>It means like especially because you know, like no, like

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<v Speaker 1>the modern wrestling is no scripted, right, what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to be the world champion? It means that that there

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<v Speaker 1>that that that the company as a whole. They want

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<v Speaker 1>you to be the face of it. They want you

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<v Speaker 1>they want to market the company after you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, That's what it is. So yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you are the face of the company. The friends. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they they are very selective about anybody who they put own,

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<v Speaker 2>but definitely when it comes to being uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody black, it's it's all. It is very tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm okay, okay, so real quick right before a

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<v Speaker 1>gain more into that. Uh so, so what other like

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<v Speaker 1>books of projects have worked for written? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the fourth. I wrote Public Enemy number

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<v Speaker 2>one back in which was actually it started off as

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<v Speaker 2>my master's thesis, which was looking at public Enemy at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. This was like in the early nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, Dolomite the Story of Rudy Ray Moore. My

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<v Speaker 2>brother and I wrote that publication back around nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the very first book and probably the

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<v Speaker 2>only book that has been written on Rudy Ray Moore.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the time. We got a lot of publicity

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<v Speaker 2>from that one in twenty nineteen. It was a very

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<v Speaker 2>slow start in the beginning because everybody, everybody knew Dolomite,

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<v Speaker 2>and they knew the especially him from the hip hop community.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody in rap was sampling him, so everybody knew about him,

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<v Speaker 2>and people culturally in the black culture know about him,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was kind of like taboo to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>him because he had not transitioned at that time, like

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<v Speaker 2>Red Fox, Richard Pryor, and even Eddie Murphy himself, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, him still being he had not made these

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<v Speaker 2>g rated television shows and other things where people saw

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<v Speaker 2>him in a different light. So it came, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody really wanted to touch it and deal with it

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<v Speaker 2>until Eddie put out the twenty nineteen mainstream movie on Netflix. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now he's got this legitimacy and everybody's talking about it now,

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<v Speaker 2>and we being the only ones who had wrote the

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<v Speaker 2>book on him. CNN USA Today, other major media outlets

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<v Speaker 2>had contacted us for interviews because they wanted to know

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<v Speaker 2>if the story was real, and yes it was, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a true biography.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, real quick, right, what can we find we

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<v Speaker 1>can we find your own writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is on my website, uh, davids dot com. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly through webs Amazon and all of those places.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So just type of your name right on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>So David L. Shabbans's D A V I D of

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<v Speaker 1>course L B A Z Z type of Amazon, I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Or just go to w W David L. Shabaz dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, Uh, let me correct you though, brother,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pronounced your bars. But because it's recorded, when people

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<v Speaker 2>keep hearing it wrong, I have to correct it.

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<v Speaker 1>No harm, got you got well it might defense right,

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<v Speaker 1>jazz is still Prounce jazz, but sat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not an American. So that's what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that your Was that your birth name? What do

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<v Speaker 1>you take?

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<v Speaker 2>What like a like a that's that's my name?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, like is it like tything muslim thing? Or

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<v Speaker 1>just got you got you? Got you? Got you?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Salama like them my brother got you got

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<v Speaker 1>you okay? Uh but everybody, well quick write this quick

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<v Speaker 1>plug search my boy David on Amazon. Also going to

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<v Speaker 1>David dot com. Besides your books, Wells Creed, besides your writing,

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<v Speaker 1>Wells Creek fin on the website.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that website is just about books. So that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, uh, But but but you have anything, you

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<v Speaker 1>have any other parties coming up in their future?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right now my hands are full with this one.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I'm a I'm a full time

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<v Speaker 2>college professor, so I don't really have you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>with this book.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so hold we just find it real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>forgive me. Everybody has a lot of material to them through.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were talking about, especially back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>what like a black world champion or a champion in general, right,

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<v Speaker 1>find the email you sent the press release because you

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<v Speaker 1>actual information that you, uh that I've read. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you right here, right here, yeah you I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find oh yeah yeah, because you right here your credit

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<v Speaker 1>people like Buddy Rogers, the Rock and Roll Express who

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<v Speaker 1>supported the rights of black wrestlers. So I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what I'm trying to get to is like, so

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<v Speaker 1>like like who you like, who you are? Credit break,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that's and those are through different periods.

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<v Speaker 2>Nature Boy, Buddy Rogers, he had several matches with Sailor R. Thomas,

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<v Speaker 3>But Nature Boy, Buddy, why why not white not? Because

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<v Speaker 3>when you talk world, you're talking about you. You're traveling

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<v Speaker 3>and defending the title throughout the world, not just the

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<v Speaker 1>Got okay, I mean fair point, but okay, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying, though.

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<v Speaker 2>Buddy Rogers had matches with Sailor or Thomas, several matches.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, white wrestlers were, especially in the South,

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<v Speaker 2>were banned from wrestling against blacks. So that's why you

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<v Speaker 2>credit somebody like Buddy Rogers because he wasn't afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>But it was making big money.

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<v Speaker 1>If it was if he was banned, how was he

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<v Speaker 1>able to wrestle in anyways? It was a banned.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't wrestle in the South, Okay, Okay, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the Deep South where only black wrestlers could could

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<v Speaker 2>he strolled one of the very first people wrestling. They

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<v Speaker 2>were out in California and other places, just not the

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<v Speaker 1>Got you, got you, got you okay, okay. And this

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<v Speaker 1>would have been like the like mid like ur mid nineties, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're talking nineteen forties, nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so wild so even I mean, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>but to think that, you know, there's still like element

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling industry is still kind of that's kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, that's what makes that's what makes the

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<v Speaker 2>publication so significant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, who else you have here? Uh? You

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<v Speaker 1>have here the rock and Roll Express? How did they

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<v Speaker 1>support the rising and stuff like that? For black wrestlers?

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<v Speaker 2>The Rock and Roll Express were really significant in helping

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<v Speaker 2>the gangsters. Have you heard of the Gangster? I have, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. The only reason why because I'm a huge

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<v Speaker 1>fansion cornet and so yes, so yeah, shoutut to hem

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<v Speaker 1>real quick. Okay, but yeah, but going going about that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, how did so so? Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying the Rock and Roll Express worked a lot

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<v Speaker 1>with the with the gangsters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they helped really get over And I mean if

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<v Speaker 2>people you know, all of that is detailed in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>how they really helped Nu Jack and Mustafa or get

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<v Speaker 2>over and.

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<v Speaker 1>Learn rest in peace. New Jackie died like the last

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<v Speaker 1>year or two ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people have heard of recently the Nation of Domination

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<v Speaker 2>that's an offshoot of the Gangsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, mm hmmm, I did not see it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing. That's that's they copied everybody. The people copied other groups.

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<v Speaker 2>And Delo Brown was once a member of the Gangsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay, I mean you know more than me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm from a different generation.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well that's fine. That's that. That's that's the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose of the book. All of that is detailed in that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate see your school and me I appreciate this,

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<v Speaker 1>like like, don't teach me some s t.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we tease each other, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick, give us a give us, give us like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a preview of the book, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>what we expect, you know what mission. It's different to

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<v Speaker 1>them to learn stuff like that. Look like like a

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<v Speaker 2>Well you've got you've got several of the black wrestlers

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<v Speaker 2>who won the title. And there have been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>these days, and this is the singles titles. There are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more black females who have the title. And

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that's really different about this particular addition, because

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<v Speaker 2>they are more females in there as well. The black

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<v Speaker 2>tag teams are also yes, also in this particular edition

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<v Speaker 2>going back to the Soul Patrol, which is Tony Atlas

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so what could before I get into listen

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<v Speaker 1>you a question another question myself, real quick pop quiz.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know how many Black World Champions there are

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<v Speaker 1>in history?

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<v Speaker 2>How many Black World Champions there are in history?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's that's that's in the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So I might read the book to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>We're Yeah, I can't give away everything, brother.

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<v Speaker 1>You got the ol G. You got it all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Bet so so so okay, bet bet bet okay, bet so.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's a nice secuy to listen to a

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<v Speaker 1>listener of questions. So for those who are from the

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<v Speaker 1>show right now, I have a hotline nine one seven

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<v Speaker 1>two eight three ninety five six. You can text little

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<v Speaker 1>voicemail or calling live to give your comments or questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I have quite a few right here. I even have

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<v Speaker 1>some even now as recording. People still texting me stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So they want to ask you this. One

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<v Speaker 1>person asks, do you follow the current wrestling product? If

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<v Speaker 1>so were promotions?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I watch a E W and w W E.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay and I assume that's pretty much it, right, No

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<v Speaker 1>New Japan, no chiple A. That's just those two writers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well only the ones that are that are showcased on

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<v Speaker 2>those particular shows, the ones that they have partnerships because

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<v Speaker 2>New Japan has partnership with A.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so you want to watch it by extension

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<v Speaker 1>if it's like you know, okay, okay, oh it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I keep it getting he's holding speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>black champions, what's the name of the NT champion that?

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<v Speaker 1>It was the name again? I forgot, I lost, I

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<v Speaker 1>want oh no, no, I was saying, I forgot. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually nxt so on tonight heat Wave. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>tonight going on right now. Iron enough, he's a black champ.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a black champion. I forgot. His name is African

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<v Speaker 1>guy with his name over fed me? Yes, yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>south of them watching that, I'm done with you go

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<v Speaker 1>watch that check real quick. Also had let's have the

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<v Speaker 1>ABU show on today, which I didn't see either, but

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<v Speaker 1>I get a chance of looking to that look kind

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<v Speaker 1>of good. Okay, okay, uh, this person acts, hold on this,

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<v Speaker 1>this person acts What about M M A or other

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<v Speaker 1>or other combat sports?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh do you like? I guess yeah, uh not really

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<v Speaker 2>really not really. Again, I'm a I'm an old school guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and things really have to I have to like the

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<v Speaker 2>person that has to really be attractive to me. I

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't watched it since Ken Shamrock and Dan to b

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<v Speaker 2>Severn and those guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no offense, guys, long long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm saying, and if you and if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the charisma that those guys had, I'm not watching

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<v Speaker 2>dang man. I'm just not a fan. Fans watch everything

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody that's not me.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, I hear you, I hear you. This

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<v Speaker 1>One person asks, w W E or a.

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<v Speaker 4>W uh w w E has a better overall product,

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<v Speaker 4>but ae W is is gaining some ground.

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<v Speaker 2>I like some of the things that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ae W does, but a e W still.

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<v Speaker 2>Still is kind of in the minor leagues in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm okay, okay, okay, bring good question. This person asks,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about the current Rustling product?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's uh, it has some bright spots. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly, I certainly follow it, I certainly keep up

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<v Speaker 2>with it. I think a e W is bringing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of competition, and that's what w w E really needed.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed that competition. I just want I want ae

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<v Speaker 2>W to raise their profile a little bit or they

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<v Speaker 2>w c W had to a certain extent, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot more character to them that they

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<v Speaker 2>can uh bring out without necessarily copying the w w

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<v Speaker 2>E per se. But I do kind of think you

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<v Speaker 2>you need to follow what the big juggernaut is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, I'll get I'll ask more questions from the

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<v Speaker 1>audience later on. But I've been thinking about something you

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier, which has to be thinking. So I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to see how to phrase this. So I guess so

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<v Speaker 1>you said earlier. You said earlier, Right, it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be defended across the world to be considered a world champion,

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<v Speaker 1>a world championship.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I was to mention like Sasha Bangs, but I lost

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<v Speaker 1>track of how many she has right now, something will

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<v Speaker 1>like mentioned her, But I'll give I'll give you an example.

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<v Speaker 1>This example represents pretty much like my entire point that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to act the NXT Championship, Right, That's just

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<v Speaker 1>example of my overall point. Do you consider that World championship. No,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not dependent across the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. No, n WWE does not consider that a World championship.

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<v Speaker 2>N NEXT is still that developmental territory. It just happens

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<v Speaker 2>to be televised, but that's the developmental territory.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, but see now it's televised, right, so it

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<v Speaker 1>has a world ride reach, so it doesn't count. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Okay, w.

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<v Speaker 2>W E does not consider that world titled.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean w w E like they consider stuff. They say,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it, what isn't, based on what's convenient at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. So you know, yeah, but okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point by that.

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<v Speaker 1>So so so some so sometimes the NXT Championship counts, right,

423
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes sometimes it's developmental, sometimes it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Third brand, you know, when does it count?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? So okay, so you know how, I'll give you example, right,

426
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<v Speaker 1>uh uh Well, recently, right, Charlotte Flair was and Lex

427
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<v Speaker 1>were listening, were listening their accomplishments, right, and she brought

428
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<v Speaker 1>up that she's a certain how many time champions and

429
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<v Speaker 1>she counted the nc NT championships.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Right.

431
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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, right, you have Sammy's a

432
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<v Speaker 1>former NXT champion, right and up until up until, like

433
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<v Speaker 1>Russelman at thirty which one was it thirty thirty nine,

434
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<v Speaker 1>he never won a championship on the main roster. And

435
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<v Speaker 1>they've been saying that he's been champion, but I saw

436
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>much champion in twenty fourteen, so he's sold. I'm saying

437
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<v Speaker 1>county counts.

438
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<v Speaker 2>I think I know what you're saying.

439
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<v Speaker 1>Counts.

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<v Speaker 2>It does count when it comes to the titles that

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<v Speaker 2>you have when you talk about being a triple crown

442
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<v Speaker 2>champion or a Grand Slam champion, but not a though

443
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<v Speaker 2>it's not a world title. Because when you talk about

444
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<v Speaker 2>who's a triple crown, if they won the Intercontinental Championship,

445
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<v Speaker 2>a Tag Team Championship, and the world title, then that's

446
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<v Speaker 2>a triple crown. And the NXT was one of those,

447
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<v Speaker 2>then that can be a Grand Slam because they won

448
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<v Speaker 2>four and they'll count the NNT as a championship, but

449
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<v Speaker 2>it's not a world champion.

450
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<v Speaker 1>But they've been to other countries. They've been next they

451
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<v Speaker 1>they've been like, they've been to Canada, they've been to Japan,

452
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<v Speaker 1>they've been there. No, we still know they've been to Austria,

453
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 1>they've been, they've been around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I got what you're saying, but it's not a world title.

455
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 2>In a championship, but it's not a world title.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I know, I know you don't really follow in these, right,

457
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>but you know I do, especially right here in New

458
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<v Speaker 1>York City, Right, you have One Division Pro, you have

459
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.279
<v Speaker 1>LPW and all kinds of places, and real quick shout

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<v Speaker 1>to Jared Diaz. He's the current one Division Pro champion.

461
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<v Speaker 1>And myself right and the people on One Division Pro,

462
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<v Speaker 1>we we not only try to market him as a

463
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<v Speaker 1>world champion, but we demonstrate that by having him go

464
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<v Speaker 1>to Mexico and go to Europe and all the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And so would you count and so this is the

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<v Speaker 1>true think we because I work I keep seeing we

467
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<v Speaker 1>because I worked with them for a little bit. So

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<v Speaker 1>we would send we would send Jaredy not only over

469
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<v Speaker 1>the country, but we sent to we sent them to Europe,

470
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<v Speaker 1>and we sent them to Japan, and we send them

471
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<v Speaker 1>to them wherever else around the world. Right, would you

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<v Speaker 1>count that as a world champion because we're we're sending

473
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<v Speaker 1>him all the world to defend it. Would you count championship?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's not up to me, it's what the

475
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<v Speaker 2>promotion considers a world title.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, that's that's not up to Okay, well all right, right,

477
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<v Speaker 1>well I consider the One Division Pro Championship World Championship.

478
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<v Speaker 1>I also consider the lp W Championship world championship because

479
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<v Speaker 1>only King, the former champion, was depending in Japan an overplaced,

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<v Speaker 1>so shouting him for that, Okay, okay. So it's like

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<v Speaker 1>so based on we're just saying, right, it's not only

482
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<v Speaker 1>like where they defend it or where they will feature it,

483
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<v Speaker 1>but also if the company treats it like a world championship, I.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Don't, right, and your point, I just you what you're saying,

485
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<v Speaker 2>but I don't.

486
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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm asking I'm asking you like the world I'm

487
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<v Speaker 1>asking you so so we can agree on So according

488
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<v Speaker 1>to you what you're saying, right, it depends on the

489
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<v Speaker 1>cow the champion, and I'm not the promotion. How treats it?

490
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<v Speaker 2>Right?

491
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 1>How do they treat it? That's that's what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

493
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<v Speaker 1>Would I be wrong? When I be like wrong? Is

494
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 1>saying that? Okay? It's uh, let's say the intercon champion, right,

495
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 1>the inter icy champion, right? Well, I thought that's the

496
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<v Speaker 1>bad example. That's bad example, so accord to the criteria

497
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<v Speaker 1>is that the company has to technowledge it as the

498
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<v Speaker 1>world championship. Mm hmm okay, and they also have and

499
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<v Speaker 1>also they have to defend it across the world. That's

500
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<v Speaker 1>what you're saying too, right, Yes, So those are the

501
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 1>two criterias, okay for to be that you consider for

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<v Speaker 1>the world chap to be a world championship.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Got you?

504
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay? All right, So I guess okay, so cool, cool cool.

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00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's just trying to clear up. Let give

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<v Speaker 1>us some list questions. I got some from my boy

507
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Chris Flemming shot at him, regularly call him. He asks

508
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>here at the hotline, what or how has the wrestling

509
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<v Speaker 1>business changed from the old to the new?

510
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<v Speaker 2>Cool? You guys have some have some nice broad questions there,

511
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<v Speaker 2>because that's that's wide open. It's it's. I wish it

512
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<v Speaker 2>was a little more specific there, but I mean it's

513
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<v Speaker 2>it's it's changed. And uh, I mean how far back

514
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:17.159
<v Speaker 2>in the day from the territories. Certainly television changed wrestling itself.

515
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>When you look at the popularity of the sport, it's it's,

516
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<v Speaker 2>it's it's got a major following now, I mean we're

517
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<v Speaker 2>talking we're talking billions of dollars. W W is like

518
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<v Speaker 2>eight billion dollars in a w is like like two

519
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<v Speaker 2>billions something like that. I mean, so it's uh, it's

520
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.360
<v Speaker 2>it's huge these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, I guess this last question I could ask

522
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<v Speaker 1>and by ways Closten there he acts or he or

523
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<v Speaker 1>she don't know who this is, but this person acts.

524
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<v Speaker 1>What the differences or what transitions do you foresee with

525
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:05.519
<v Speaker 1>today's talent?

526
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>What ask that again? What transitions do I see with

527
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 2>today's talent?

528
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 1>What differences or what transitions do you foresee? Oh, with

529
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<v Speaker 1>today's talent.

530
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that's kind of that's kind of predictive. It

531
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<v Speaker 2>will put me into more of a wizard's kind of position.

532
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<v Speaker 2>I mean I don't I can't really foresee where the

533
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:46.880
<v Speaker 2>talent is going. I like educated, guess old school talent.

534
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I would like for them to be. I would like

535
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<v Speaker 2>for the new people to be more like the old

536
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 2>school talent. And by that that's what I mean by

537
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't just watch the show just to watch it.

538
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>People could back in the day, they could cut promos

539
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.639
<v Speaker 2>and you enjoyed it, not even wrestling in the ring.

540
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:13.840
<v Speaker 2>They knew how to build a feud with another person

541
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:18.760
<v Speaker 2>promoted in the ring against each other. And that's what

542
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing. I want people to understand the Rock was

543
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:26.559
<v Speaker 2>an old school artist. He knew that gift of the gap.

544
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 2>He knew how to talk and how to build a

545
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>feud before he got into the fight with the person.

546
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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to see. I can't say I

547
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 2>foresee that happening. I would love for that to happen.

548
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I would love for those the new talent to study

549
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>the older talent and be able to draw people in

550
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 2>just by what you're saying. That is something that Dusty

551
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 2>Rhodes was good about. That's something that Air was good about.

552
00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, they could talk and that's what made the difference.

553
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, all right, I think that's everything we got

554
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:10.800
<v Speaker 1>for now. Real quick, plugs your website w w w

555
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<v Speaker 1>W dot, w w w dot David dot com. Also

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<v Speaker 1>just search also just search David la on Uh what's

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<v Speaker 1>it called? Uh? What was it? Amazon?

558
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? The bookstores?

559
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, well, real quick, like with all the bookstores,

560
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<v Speaker 1>we found that like virtually or like or like in real.

561
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<v Speaker 2>Life worldwide, every bookstore.

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<v Speaker 1>Books so borns and Nobles, uh borders what every book

563
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<v Speaker 1>still everybody? Okay? And online and in real life? Right yes, yes, okay, okay,

564
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<v Speaker 1>bet but uh social media.

565
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<v Speaker 2>All of that is still run through my website but

566
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<v Speaker 2>essentially at David Elschabas.

567
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Uh so Twitter, Facebook, Instagram LinkedIn for him just

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<v Speaker 1>in few okay, everybody real quick check out, not just

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<v Speaker 1>well check it out, like like literally check it out,

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00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>check out, get it from the store, however how you

571
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<v Speaker 1>get it from?

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00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Right?

573
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<v Speaker 1>What's seen the book? What's in the book? Tell us?

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00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Tell you, tell us Black Gold Discovering Pro Wrestling's Black

575
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.320
<v Speaker 1>World Champions, Volume three or through the dish.

576
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Has to say what what's in the book?

577
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I'm saying plug the book, Come on the book.

578
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, if you want to learn about the

579
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:54.239
<v Speaker 2>history of the black professional wrestling champions who were world champions,

580
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 2>it's all detailed in this book. The femaleampions are there,

581
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the tag team champions are there. That's what especially in

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<v Speaker 2>this one unique. I also have a for the scholars

583
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<v Speaker 2>out there. There's a rhetorical analysis that starts off with

584
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<v Speaker 2>WrestleMania nineteen, the match between Triple H and Booker T

585
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and that particular promo was very controversial thing that that

586
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<v Speaker 2>kind of sets the stage for what we're talking about

587
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 2>and gives people an idea of what the black people

588
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<v Speaker 2>have to go through to be a champion.

589
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 1>M So, so yeah, you cover people like bear Cat, right,

590
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 1>both Brazil, Ron Simmons, Uh, Mercedes, Monet Blanca, Bellaire, Jay Cargill.

591
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Who else you got? Naomi? He just gave it up

592
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<v Speaker 1>this out recently quest lations her for her pregnancy. But

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<v Speaker 1>real quick, right, you said that you that you only

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<v Speaker 1>follow like W W A W right, So so Mercedes

595
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>especially right, she has like multiple titles concurrently, right, So

596
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the New Japan, well, well I don't really know which

597
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>ones they are, so dang, I gotta look them up

598
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 1>because all right, so do you count? So do you count?

599
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<v Speaker 2>Not?

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00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about what she has right now, I'm

601
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>talking saying in general, So do you count, for example,

602
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.360
<v Speaker 1>the New Japan Championship, World Championship? Do you count like

603
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.599
<v Speaker 1>the Triple A Championship? You count? Like antheis not w

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<v Speaker 1>W or A W.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, New Japan is definitely a world time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah, but the thing is right,

607
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<v Speaker 1>you don't really follow you don't really follow anything other

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<v Speaker 1>than those A W W W, so like you could

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<v Speaker 1>be missing. I mean, I'm not saying that I don't

610
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<v Speaker 1>know if they do or don't because I'm not super young,

611
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 1>not as deep the history as you are, but like

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<v Speaker 1>seeing as we.

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<v Speaker 2>Follow when you when you say follow, I can follow

614
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 2>them online. Now if you're talking about do I watch

615
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 2>those shows? No, because I don't have access to watch

616
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 2>those shows on TV, so I can't follow them like

617
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>that when you say follow, But you.

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<v Speaker 1>Still got you still got to be still do your

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<v Speaker 1>still you do your due diligence, you still do your research, right, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,

620
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<v Speaker 1>cool cool, cool, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>What they don't show in your area?

622
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, well aspar as New Japan goals right,

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<v Speaker 1>New Japan World, it's like ten dollars a month, that's

624
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 1>for fans. Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, got you, got you?

625
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Got you? Got you? Do you did you ever watch?

626
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever like like watch or follow TEENA? Yes,

627
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious. Okay, okay, okay, I haven't watched ten

628
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 1>years because they stopped showing it on my cable provider.

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<v Speaker 1>They stop carrying on the Verizon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, brother, I was saying earlier. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't really watch what they don't what they don't show.

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<v Speaker 2>They did have a YouTube, a presence on YouTube at

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<v Speaker 2>one time, but that's.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get the Somebody tell me how to watch

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<v Speaker 1>t X look good stuff, the whole NXT partnership. I

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<v Speaker 1>how to watch how to watch teen A? Does like

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<v Speaker 1>get the app or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I think that's everything. And last worst we

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<v Speaker 1>signed off.

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<v Speaker 2>Again. I mean, if you want to know about the

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<v Speaker 2>history of the black professional rap there's Champions World Champions,

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<v Speaker 2>go out and get the book. It tells you everything

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<v Speaker 2>about the singles champions as well as the tag team champions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, I get that book with quicks up playing,

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<v Speaker 1>get that book. I'm I'm I'm gonna read it. I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely want interested. I like, I like to read personally.

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<v Speaker 1>I played like a little about history and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. So I'm getting the book too. That's Black

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Discovery Pro Wrestlings Black Champions, third Edition. It's everywhere, man,

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<v Speaker 1>It's all Amazon. It's like it's like in little bookstores

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<v Speaker 1>like Barnes and Nobles, wherever you can go. Well, David L. Shabaz,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, check that out, chak out website that David

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<v Speaker 1>Olshabas dot com. Thank you for the questions. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them this time, so I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>all listening high now on seven five to six w

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. I think we're out of here by way

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<v Speaker 1>right for if you were curious, right reason why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not d I'm on my bed because I have a

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<v Speaker 1>leg cramps. I'm trying to stretch my leg. I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>all right, That's why I don't want to do think

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<v Speaker 1>I'll like be like disrespectful whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you didn't get a herd in the ring? Did you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Nah? Nah. It's funny too because I was just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that before before he came on. I was

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone with a friend of mine and I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling how how I'm trying to get im trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get batically cleared, not not to rustle, but to

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<v Speaker 1>be like a like a what do you call it?

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<v Speaker 1>Be featured on a on a promotion look look promotion

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City. So yeah, uh so they say,

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<v Speaker 1>too bad if you if you know more about me,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on for me? Social media.

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<v Speaker 2>You already know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about me, thought my boy David Shabaz Instagram, uh, Twitter, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>LinkedIn and I was just going to website that again,

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<v Speaker 1>David boss dot com and get his book and stop playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Get his book. It's good stuff, good stuff, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of now, a lot of knowledge can

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<v Speaker 1>be dropped on you. So tat out real quick. All

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<v Speaker 1>right man, I'm gonna go take some leave, get something

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<v Speaker 1>to eat and just relax and uh yeah man, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>aller to good stuff, right yeah, come on again some time.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to love too. Thank you your your listeners as well. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>all right man, all right see