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On 25 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:39.959 today's show, the White House tries again to limit the 26 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.760 number of vaccines for kids based on unproven conspiracies about autism. 27 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:46.799 Todd Blanche officially becomes the Attorney General thanks to the 28 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:51.319 Republican Senate. AOC says woke one was crazy. As Wisconsin 29 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.640 and Minnesota Democrats head to the polls, Jesse Waters does 30 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.400 not want to talk about women's sports, and Hunter Biden 31 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:02.239 sits down with Tucker Carlson. Then Montana House candidate Sam Forstagg, 32 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.040 a former smoke jumper, stops by the studio to talk 33 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:07.239 to love It about his candidacy and the politics of 34 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:08.159 his states. 35 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:12.639 He's really interesting. I really recommend listening to that conversation. 36 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.400 This is a person who decided to run for office. 37 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:20.439 He literally is jumping out of planes to put out 38 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.159 wildfires and then spending the rest of his year like 39 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.759 organizing and doing union work, and he's just a really 40 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:26.479 interesting person. 41 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:30.919 A firefighter. My kids would love this. Yeah, speaking into 42 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:32.159 firefighters right now, Well. 43 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:35.599 They're gonna listen. I mean, a lot of our listeners 44 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:40.240 gonna be big into fire riders after this conversation brought 45 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:40.520 it up. 46 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.800 Excellent. All right, all right, but first let's check in 47 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:45.719 on how the president's wore in the Middle East is 48 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:50.000 going NPR. Here's a headline from NPR. Haunted by Hoover, 49 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.680 Trump searches for an endgame in Iran. CNN decided to 50 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.800 go with Trump has a Carter style Iran. Problem is 51 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.680 the economy drags before the midterms. We got a Hoover, 52 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.080 we got a Carter. What else, it's more Nixon for 53 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:04.759 the trifecta. 54 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.599 Yeah, No, he's definitely doing Yeah, he's definitely doing Nixon. 55 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:11.800 Nixon at the Department of Justice, Carter in the Middle East, Hoover, Hoover, 56 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:13.879 Hoover on the breadlines. I mean, he's really it is 57 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.919 really all of them. And in fairness, the comparison to 58 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.719 Carter is even more apt than that because the straight 59 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:21.039 of horror moves is a hostage. 60 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.479 That's the context for lots of reporting over the weekend 61 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.719 that the president is desperately looking for a way to 62 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.759 accept defeat in Iran after the regime made it clear 63 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:32.080 they're not giving up control of the Strait of Hormuz uh. 64 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.240 Trump is also weighing dropping his demand for a nuclear deal. 65 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.240 I told Axios that he is quote low keying it 66 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:43.120 with Iran and only semi negotiating at this point, and 67 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.639 then on Monday responded to Iran's demand for reparations by 68 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:48.639 demanding reparations from Iran. 69 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:56.000 Take that a lot of neocons losing their semis. Sorry, 70 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:56.479 tom I. 71 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:58.319 Don't think Tommy's not here. They were never they were 72 00:03:58.360 --> 00:03:58.960 never semis. 73 00:03:59.000 --> 00:03:59.560 Yes, that's right. 74 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.800 Meanwhile, the Guardian reports that the Iranian regime is intentionally 75 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:07.039 dragging the war out so that Trump loses the midterms, 76 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.080 probably because they're watching clips. 77 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:09.680 Just like this. 78 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.039 You said in June that this was quote the strongest 79 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.639 job market in your lifetime by what metric. 80 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:16.439 The bottom line is that if you look at the 81 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.480 overall economy, then things are really really boomy. 82 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:22.920 Trump's administration has only added five hundred and forty eight 83 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:27.399 thousand net jobs so far, which is considered very slow growth. 84 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.879 It's growth, but very slow two million jobs were created 85 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.240 in the last eighteen months of Biden's presidency. Are you 86 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.360 really arguing that your numbers are better than that? 87 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.040 Well, I disagree with your number. We'll have to follow 88 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:39.720 up on email. 89 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:41.839 I know you don't negotiate with the Iranians, but you 90 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.399 do talk about the economy, and you said your bullets 91 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.319 is going to be a like a lot of traffic moving. 92 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.959 There every single day. If I wouldn't call it ack. 93 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:52.480 A lot low of voters feel about the president's work 94 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:53.040 on jobs. 95 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.000 You know, these are the types of numbers that will 96 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.120 make a lot of Republican members of Congress lose their 97 00:04:58.240 --> 00:04:59.360 jobs come November. 98 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.600 You can see it right here. I mean, just look 99 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:03.959 at this trend line. Trump's not appropriating on jobs. 100 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:04.680 He is now. 101 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:10.680 Twenty two points underwater, swimming with the fishes, swimming with. 102 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.480 The vicious kind of that was like what kind of 103 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:14.839 code switching was Harry doing at the end there, it's 104 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:15.959 like extra New York. 105 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.160 How does old Donni wriggle his way out of this one? 106 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:20.480 Love it? 107 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:22.639 From the beginning, they hadn't said they were going for 108 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:25.600 unconditional surrender, that they were going to prevent Iran from 109 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.360 being able to project power in the Middle East, that 110 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:32.279 they were going to fundamentally reorder the power in this 111 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.079 critical part of the world. And what he had done 112 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.600 not unlike what he had done when he had a 113 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.959 midnight hammer in the past or killed Solomane like done 114 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.600 a series of strikes and then claimed that the nuclear 115 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:48.800 program was set back at the way Barack Obama could 116 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:52.079 have never dreamed through his deal. Maybe they could call, 117 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:58.639 you know, bombing the nuclear sites and incapacitating a large 118 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:02.959 percentage of Iran's military as some kind of victory if 119 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.920 they reopen this strait. But now Iran has proven that 120 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.920 the US military, despite all its might, combined with Israel, 121 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:15.680 cannot stop it from controlling this vital waterway. Trump looks weak, 122 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.439 the country is not behind it. There's all these reports 123 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:23.120 about our depleting military capacity, and now at the end 124 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.000 of it, the best he's going to accept is we're 125 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:28.480 back to where we started. Now, to be clear, I 126 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.639 hope that happens. I would rather us get back to 127 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.560 the strait being open and not having this on again 128 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.800 off again war in the Middle East and all the 129 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:43.079 instability and danger and chaos that that entails. But it's 130 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.439 still a total capitulation by Trump. 131 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:47.480 And I don't think this strait is going to be 132 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:53.199 open because Iran has recognized correctly that this is their 133 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.720 sole point of leverage now. And that's why, you know, 134 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:00.279 there's all this reporting last week that Iran and I'm on, 135 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:02.800 we're like heading towards a deal, and I guess they 136 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.879 have negotiated it, but Aron's basically like, yeah, we negotiated 137 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.160 this with Oman, but we're not opening the straight until 138 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:13.319 the US ends the blockade, US forces out of the region, 139 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:17.480 compensation for the war, sanctions, relief, they're asking for all 140 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.600 of it because they don't really want the deal, because 141 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.759 they actually want to lord it over Trump. And you know, 142 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:29.360 and from Trump's perspective, he does it like he keeps going. 143 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.240 You know, they talk about exit rams. He keeps going 144 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.839 past different exits on the highway. Each time he goes 145 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.839 past one, the next exit is worse than the last one. 146 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:42.519 Because now, what can he actually do? He can't. He 147 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.000 doesn't want He's not talking about a military strike. I remember, 148 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.800 he's talking about horrible, like the worst military strike since 149 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.399 World War Two, and we're going to destroy them. As 150 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:52.959 early as last week we were just talking about that 151 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.079 and today he was asked and he's like, you'll see, 152 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.839 you'll see, but we don't have the munitions. We're running 153 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:03.759 out of munitions. There's no intelligence that said that any 154 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.079 further US strikes would bring them to the negotiating table 155 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.920 or do anything or cause them to change their behavior 156 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:12.319 in any way. So basically what he wants is for 157 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.639 the strait to reopen and then say a nuclear deal 158 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.759 will happen some other time. But he can't even do 159 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:21.319 that because they're not going to open the straight. 160 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.199 And they're not cooperative rhetorically, right, Like he really, really 161 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:25.560 what he wants is for this all to just go 162 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:28.160 the fuck away, like everyone just shut up about Iran 163 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:29.560 or I don't want to talk about it anymore, and 164 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:31.959 I want to think about anymore. We won I'm done, 165 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:36.279 it's over. Everyone stopped complaining. And so he does these 166 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.360 threats to say they're coming back to the table. They 167 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.600 don't cooperate and say we are back to the table. 168 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.120 They have this annoying way of not helping him with 169 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:45.720 his pr problem. 170 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.919 Right because they can read the news, yeah, and watch 171 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:52.039 clips like we just did. The Guardian says that there's 172 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.759 two factions in Iran, arguing about their strategy on this. 173 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.320 One things that if Trump is weaker after losing the 174 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.799 mid terms, he'll have less reason to deal. The other 175 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:02.399 thing that losing Congress will force Trumps to negotiate. 176 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:04.519 What do you think My instinct on this is that 177 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:08.240 it is no easier for Iranian political factions to predict 178 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:11.600 Trump's conduct that it is for us to predict Trump's conduct. 179 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.919 I think that there's a third door, which is and 180 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:15.720 this is, by the way, something that some of the 181 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:19.360 neocons have been wish casting for, which is Trump is 182 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:22.639 a little bit constrained by the politics right now, because 183 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:26.840 all of these Republicans he's dealing with do not want 184 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.480 to be saddled with an ongoing war in the midterms 185 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:33.080 and the cost of gas and the anger from the 186 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.759 part of Trump's base that were convinced that they were 187 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.600 voting against feign Wors. So they want all this to 188 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.720 stay pretty quiet. If Trump, whether he wins the midterms 189 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.679 or loses the mid terms, there are those who believe 190 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.120 that will give him the flexibility to finally do the 191 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.080 escalation that they're desperate for. 192 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:50.480 Him to do. 193 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:55.039 He'll be he won't be running again. Other Republicans can criticize, 194 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:56.919 they can be a debate about it in the twenty 195 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.240 twenty seven twenty twenty eight Republican primaries. But there's a 196 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.240 version of this where losing the midterm may weaken him 197 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.279 politically but might put him in a position to do 198 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.200 something drastic and quite terrible. 199 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:09.720 Yeah. I was thinking about it the other way, and 200 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:14.279 that like, because I don't know that escalation does anything 201 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.399 at this point, because I don't know that they can 202 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.279 he can bomb them into submissions since they've hit all 203 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.639 the targets. I do think he could give them more, 204 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.200 He could capitulate more, and you could see him doing 205 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.919 that again after the midterms, just to get it off 206 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.879 his plate and to go around saying that he ended 207 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.200 the war and he's a peace president and like it's 208 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.200 a terrible deal, and everyone tells him it's a terrible deal, 209 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:39.440 but he doesn't care because he just. 210 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.240 Lies, yes, and then he gets you know, he's doing 211 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:45.080 his big kind of president at the end of his term. Yes, 212 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.799 doing his sort of like big diplomatic achievements that he 213 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:51.320 can kind of put in his museum tower. Part of 214 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:54.480 this is a wish that the elections are somehow a 215 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.879 hinge on which there could be some change in the dynamic. 216 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.039 The other argument is the Trump we have today is 217 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.279 that Trump will have six months from now. He doesn't 218 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.000 give a fuck what happens to these Republicans for the 219 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.519 most part, other than how it affects him. He's already 220 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:10.159 said that in many interviews. What's driving him is what 221 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:12.639 will drive him then, which is how his ego is 222 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.559 reflected in the embarrassment of losing a war, being able 223 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:18.480 to claim that he got a better deal than Obama, 224 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.559 what have you. That's the case in January as it 225 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:22.039 is today. 226 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:25.440 One person who seems less afraid of pissing off Trump 227 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.679 these days, as bb Net Yahoo. He just rejected the 228 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:31.240 US backed peace plan for Gaza, saying that the IDF 229 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.960 won't withdraw any forces until Hamas completely disarms, and that 230 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.360 they're not afraid to quote stand up to the US. 231 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:41.120 That would be Israel. What did you think that's all about? Yes. 232 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:44.320 He also said again that as long as he's Prime Minister, 233 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.000 there will be no Palestinian state, neither in Gaza nor 234 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.600 in Judea and Samaria is what he says, but the 235 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:53.080 West Bank, and that's regardless of whether Hamas is in 236 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.279 charge so they can negotiate and deal with what it 237 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.799 means for Hamas to be disarmed, and there may be 238 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:03.159 legitimate disagreement inside of that, even though Benjamin Ettia, who 239 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:04.759 is not a good faith actor, and there is no 240 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.519 disarmament that would be acceptable to him, obviously, but there 241 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.399 is an actual policy question in what it looks like 242 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:15.360 for Hamas to be disarmed when you're leaving those weapons 243 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.840 inside of Gaza. Fine, But if he's saying there will 244 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.240 never be a Palestinian state, which he's been saying for 245 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:24.759 what Yes, but he's saying even now after they've leveled Gaza, 246 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:27.879 even as Hamas has agreed to the terms of this deal, 247 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:30.679 which means handing over power, even in the deal in 248 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.360 which there will be an international force, like all of 249 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:36.519 these steps, the steps that would have to happen, and 250 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.600 that should be what determines the creation of a Palestinian 251 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:42.879 state that Israel recognizes. He is saying that that cannot 252 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.519 happen on his watch. So you have Trump now saying, 253 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.600 you know, the Trump administration kind of quietly saying he's 254 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.440 got an election in October. He's trying to protect his 255 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:53.399 right flank. Let's wait till after the election, which by 256 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.039 the way, is a large as he does not afford 257 00:12:55.039 --> 00:13:00.440 people like John Cornyn and Cassidy and the rest. But okay, 258 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:04.279 he gets let's say they then Yaho manages to stay 259 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:06.240 in power. He gets the other side of this selection. 260 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.159 Then what he is saying he will never agree to 261 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.679 a plan in which the Palestinians have a state, which 262 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:13.399 means he will never agree to a plan in which 263 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.240 Israel is not the sovereign in Gaza and the West Bank. 264 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.200 Right, which means that they will. He'll never agree to 265 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:25.200 a plan where Palestinians and people who are living in 266 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.559 the West Bank and Gaza are anything but second class 267 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:33.200 citizens with fewer rights than israelis, which is if people, 268 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.559 you know, people who are probably Israel get upset when 269 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:38.039 you call it an occupation or that it can act 270 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.840 like an apartheid state. But when you're talking about the 271 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:44.200 West Bank and Gaza, like, what do you call it? 272 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.799 If there's never going to be a Palestinian state and 273 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:53.480 Israel is just going to control both areas the entire time, 274 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:55.600 are they going to make them full citizens of Israel? 275 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:57.879 And probably doesn't sound like. 276 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:01.600 It, And you have Israel taking more and more of 277 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:06.039 Gaza for this security perimeter. They no longer even really 278 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:10.519 recognize the original border of Gaza as where a Palestinian 279 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:16.240 state would begin. You have settlement expansion going on at 280 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:19.279 a pace they are doing everything they can to make 281 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:24.559 any kind of a Palestinian state, both politically and practically impossible. Meanwhile, 282 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:30.120 you have those who I think are rightly incredibly disgusted 283 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:34.399 and critical of Israel saying that a two state solution 284 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:39.039 is now ridiculous and stale and dead talking point because 285 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.919 of what's happened. They want a one state solution in 286 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.200 which Palestinians have equal rights. Those that are pro Israel, 287 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:47.919 that is anathema to them because they believe in a 288 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.399 Jewish state. If you believe in a Jewish state and 289 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.559 you find it repellent at the idea of Israel being 290 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.440 an apartheid state, then the answer is a state in 291 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:59.720 which Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis have equal rights. But 292 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:03.360 there is a Jewish majority that requires a Palestinian state 293 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.120 in which they can govern themselves and live in freedom 294 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:13.080 and autonomy. And that is the reality, and Benjamin Nannaho 295 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.120 is the obstacle to that possibility. And everything else you 296 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.440 can blame all the rhetoric you don't like. There's tons 297 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:23.519 of anti Semitism, but it is this Israeli government and 298 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.600 the Israeli people backing it that are now making Israel 299 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:27.840 this Paria nation around the world. 300 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:30.159 Yeah, and I don't know that an election even that 301 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.240 get frid of Nanna, who is going to fundamentally change 302 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:39.399 too much about that scenario that you just described. So 303 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:39.879 let's see. 304 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:41.039 But by the way, I just think we should just 305 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.799 keep arguing. 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The order 354 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.039 changes the federal government's official guidance about which vaccines kids 355 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:16.440 should get and how soon, on the completely unproven theory 356 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:20.839 that combining different vaccines into single doses and administering several 357 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:25.319 vaccines in a single doctor visit, which has happened for decades, 358 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:30.640 might cause autism. Specifically, the EO calls for the measles, 359 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.759 mumps and rubella vaccine called the MMR to be given 360 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.519 as three different shots, even though they're not available separately. 361 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:40.519 It asks states to revisit vaccine mandates, which is their choice, 362 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.559 and it pairs down the group of vaccines that should 363 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:47.559 be recommended for all kids taking HEPA and B vaccines. 364 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.640 The flu vaccine and the COVID vaccine off that list 365 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:55.039 of recommended vaccines. Somehow, though, what Trump RFK Junior and 366 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.759 noted health expert Stephen Miller said about vaccines in the 367 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:01.440 OVAL on Monday was even worse than the EO itself. 368 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.880 Large amounts like vas A vaccine are currently pumped into 369 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.200 your child's body. And you know, there are some groups 370 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:15.559 that have virtually no problem with autism, and they, you know, 371 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.880 I have to say this, say their groups that aren't 372 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:24.440 big into the world of vaccines, and nothing bad can 373 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:28.799 happen from what we're doing. Nothing bad can happen. It's possible, 374 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.920 it doesn't work. I don't think that's much of a possibility. Frankly, 375 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:32.759 we're gonna learn a lot. 376 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.559 The US passed all of twenty twenty five's measles total 377 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.559 by July. So far this year three hundred seventy one cases, 378 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.000 thirty seven new outbreaks versus two thousand for all of 379 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:46.519 last year a little over two thousand, and for all 380 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:50.079 of last year. MMR coverage among kindergarteners has fallen from 381 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:53.319 ninety five point two percent in twenty nineteen twenty twenty 382 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.799 to ninety two point five percent. So good job everyone, 383 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.319 And now we're going to be telling kids to and 384 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.759 families to split the shots up somehow, which will mean 385 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:05.680 more missed visits. 386 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:07.759 Yeah, I mean, what do you think happens if you 387 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:09.200 tell everybody they have to go to the doctor three 388 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:11.440 times instead of one time. You can answer the question 389 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:13.599 the countries that have done this. I think Japan split 390 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:15.440 up the MMR vaccine. And what do you end up with? 391 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.799 You end up with outbreaks of mumps and rebella like, 392 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:23.720 that's just what happens. This is all, And you know, 393 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:29.319 we'll talk about Bill Cassidy and his capitulation on Blanche. 394 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.880 This is somebody who is in a position of power. 395 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:37.599 He is a doctor, he believes in vaccines. He had 396 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:39.400 a moment where he could have stood up to this, 397 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:44.880 and he took the ridiculous false assurances from RFK Junior 398 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.200 at face value because he wanted to be convinced by r. 399 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:51.240 F K Junior so he could avoid the hard vote 400 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.119 and voted r of K Junior out of committee. And 401 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:59.119 now we have as destructive a health secretary as you 402 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:04.440 could imagine in this job. Being alive is already challenging. 403 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.000 We don't need to put it on hard mode. Like 404 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:09.359 that is what this is. Like vaccines are a miracle. 405 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:12.960 This is all based on false science. Like even like 406 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:16.279 this idea to like, oh, you know, we give our 407 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:19.359 kids seventy two jabs or whatever number of jabs, like 408 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:21.640 just that is a number based on giving kids the 409 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.079 flu shot, and that they are not counting the shots 410 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.759 the other countries also give their kids just not real. 411 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:30.400 And then on top of that, because they think of 412 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.240 vaccines as somehow harmful, even though there's no evidence that 413 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.240 they are harmful. In fact, they are one of the 414 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:39.279 great miracles of modern life. They have changed the world. 415 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:41.359 They've made being a parent a very different experience than 416 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.200 would have been one hundred years ago. When other countries 417 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.759 don't give kids vaccines, they react by saying, can you 418 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:54.359 believe it? We're giving our kids more vaccines. Yes, that's cool. 419 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.200 They're not willing to spend on some of those vaccines. 420 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:00.640 They're not willing to add them to the schedule rationing 421 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.400 fucking healthcare over there in Europe the day the Danes 422 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:06.720 are rationing the healthcare, we're giving more vaccines than they are. 423 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:08.160 And part of the reason we have to do that 424 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:10.279 is because our health system is so much fucking worse 425 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.079 that we don't catch a bunch of stuff that they 426 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:14.720 might catch in a universal system. And so when you 427 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.160 remove some of these vaccines and say what could happen, Well, 428 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:18.839 what's gonna happen is there's gonna be a bunch of 429 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:20.559 kids that get heppie. There's gonna be a bunch of 430 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.400 kids that don't get vaccinated for rotavirus or what have you, 431 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:25.759 and they're gonna get sick in that window. Because the 432 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:28.839 doctors that recommend these vaccines and recommend them happening when 433 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:31.519 kids are born or early on, are not fucking malicious. 434 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:34.279 They're not looking to harm kids they're not satists. They 435 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:36.319 know that if you increase the window, if you cause 436 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.519 more delays, if people don't show up to the doctor. 437 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:40.720 Inside of that group of kids are people that are 438 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.599 gonna get hurt, maybe permanently injured, maybe die. That is 439 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:44.400 what's gonna happen. 440 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:46.240 I'm bummed about it. 441 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:47.680 Wow, I'm really mad. 442 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:50.000 I'm going to need a hearing check. 443 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.000 Makes me really sad. 444 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:58.319 It's a CDC. In their own website still says that 445 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:03.160 there's no published evidence of any benefit from separating MMR. 446 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:08.599 It's just and the way these things get like sort 447 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.400 of seep out into the public consciousness. We're getting another 448 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.119 example of it. We got one just today because they 449 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:17.319 have they're still you know, trying to do a number 450 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:20.599 on Fauci, and so they got his phone as government phone, 451 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:23.680 and they released all the texts and there's there's one 452 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:27.359 text where he's like, Oh, one thing we should we 453 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.160 should look at as we're developing these COVID vaccines is 454 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:36.319 you know, if there's any effect on miscarriages, right, because 455 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.200 there's like a thrown out a hypothesis like that's something 456 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:40.400 that we should we should look at. 457 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.119 These are a new vaccine. It is a new technology, like, 458 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:45.160 let's make sure that if it causes some kind of 459 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.519 response by the body, that there isn't a higher incidents 460 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.799 of miscarriage. We need to know that about this vaccine. 461 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:53.440 A completely reasonable question for Fauci to ask. 462 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.440 So is January twenty twenty one. Yeah, he said that 463 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.680 the second dose of the COVID shot theoretically could be 464 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:02.799 associated with miscarriage in the first trimester. So that's something 465 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:05.359 to think about. Then they tested it, of course, it 466 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.920 was like by the time it was widely available, like 467 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.319 it was fine, and they had all the right recommendation 468 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.599 with held approval by the way for pregnant whom for 469 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:14.960 a while for a while because of this reason. Yes, 470 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:16.920 so they did like everything they were supposed to do. 471 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.839 Now everyone is like, Megan McCain is like, put him 472 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:21.279 in jail. 473 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:22.920 I'm serious, looking in jail. 474 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:28.000 And then now they're they're they're recirculating this debunked theory 475 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:32.240 where there's this study that apparently shows that. 476 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:36.680 I mean, I know what you don't they are they 477 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:38.599 are numerically illiterate. 478 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:44.960 Katie Pavlich. The mandated and doctor recommended COVID nineteen shot 479 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:48.559 for pregnant women was effectively an abortion shot. According to 480 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.400 new documents just released by Senators Johnson and Paul, the 481 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.519 authors of this study claimed a miscarriage rate of twelve 482 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:56.839 point six percent, but the raw data revealed an eighty 483 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:00.559 two percent miscarriage rate. Is that what happened? An eighty 484 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.359 two percent miscarriage rate. No, they read the study ring, 485 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.079 They read the numbers wrong. They're all fucking idiots in 486 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.240 every single right wing not every single one, but all 487 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:10.759 these right wing accounts now are putting out that there's 488 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:13.480 an eighty two percent miscarriage rate for the COVID shot. 489 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.559 So completely irresponsible and fucking dumb. 490 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.640 It's also we all live in the world. A lot 491 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.680 of pregnant kimmen got got the COVID shot. If there 492 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.799 was an a some eighty percent chance of miscarriage because 493 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:28.839 of the COVID shot, that would be one of the 494 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.839 worst health catastrophes that would be. It would be like 495 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:35.920 fucking children of men out there. And uh, they're just 496 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:37.880 first of all, to get it. They're just misreading the number. 497 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.400 Even that twelve percent might that might sound like a lot, 498 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.079 right if you're just if you're just casually consuming this information. 499 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.200 The point is like a lot of first trimester pregnancies 500 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.559 and in miscarriage. That's why people don't tell their family 501 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:53.960 until they're through the first trimester. What they found is 502 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.480 when you looked at all the data, there wasn't a spike, 503 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.319 It didn't go above there wasn't a statistically significant increase 504 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.000 in miscarriages. That's all that. And they look at it 505 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:04.880 and they do the best they can. They weigh the 506 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:08.960 data against the safety that the COVID vaccine provides. And 507 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.359 these are scientists and doctors doing their best to try 508 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:16.079 to protect pregnant women, to protect children, to protect people 509 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:19.240 from all kinds of viruses. And because of the conspiracy 510 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.640 addled minds of the people in that room, they can 511 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.000 make none of them doctors, none of them doctors, none 512 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.480 of them with medical degrees, and forget even the recommendations, 513 00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:29.440 like forget. 514 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.559 Like the so maybe that j guy, the seat one, whoever, 515 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:33.279 Jay Bocker, whatever his name is. 516 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.839 But like, okay, these are these these are recommendations that 517 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.559 would harm people one hundred percent. Just the way they 518 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:43.880 talk about the vats of vaccine, injecting the little ones, 519 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.680 the jabs, the seventy it's all meant to it's a 520 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.640 it's a it's all meant to make people question be 521 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.759 afraid of these vaccines. Meanwhile, the vaccines we give today 522 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.160 are so different than the ones that were given even 523 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.319 twenty or thirty years ago. They have much less of 524 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.039 the antigens in them. They're much more precise. We've learned 525 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.920 a lot about vaccines because science is amazing, and so 526 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.279 the dozen or so vaccines that kids will get in 527 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.440 early childhood today actually have less far, less, like a 528 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.920 tenth as much of the kind of antigens that was 529 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.400 in one Pretussia's shot thirty years ago. We have we 530 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:20.079 have figured out how to do this in a way 531 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.599 because because the people doing this research care so much, 532 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:24.599 because they didn't become you know, become it. They're not 533 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:30.720 researchers in vaccines because they're what like power mad COVID 534 00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.240 mask people. No, they're they're doctors trying to provide us, 535 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:36.759 do the best care, do the research for the reasons 536 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.480 they got involved in medicine in the first place. And 537 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.799 they're these people are like decided it's a fucking conspiracy 538 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.599 to give kids autism. Meanwhile, I don't know, given the 539 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.640 state of our fucking our education system, our healthcare system, 540 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.279 our infrastructure. Maybe we could use a little more autism. 541 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.000 Get people on these fucking spreadsheets figuring this stuff out. 542 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.000 Don't laugh at that. Don't laugh at that staff. 543 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:02.559 God forbid, we have a We have more people in 544 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:05.000 this country that don't like that. That that like staying 545 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:06.240 inside and doing fucking math. 546 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.400 It seems like a little bit of a self interested. 547 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:12.720 I got every vaccine, and look at me. I know 548 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.160 how to make eye contact. It's not bad hard. Look 549 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:16.480 at it, John right now, right in the eyes. He 550 00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:20.119 can't look at me. Who has autism? Now neither of 551 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.079 us speak well. 552 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:28.240 Uh one one lighthearted moment uh in this whole thing 553 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.480 was someone one of the reporters asked Trump afterwards, you're 554 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.480 a proud father. Would you have vaccinated your children differently? 555 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:40.079 And this man with that like straight face does it 556 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:43.440 just doesn't even skip a beat, Just as I did. 557 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:46.119 I did. I took I took my children for five 558 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:49.000 different vaccinations. I went with my wife and we took 559 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:51.319 each of them for we separated out all the vaccines. 560 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:51.839 Hmm. 561 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.160 Do you think that man has ever taken any of 562 00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.599 his children to a doctor's appointment ever? Do you think 563 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.079 he knows that they eat? Do you think he ever 564 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:03.920 knew who their pediatrician was. 565 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.119 Can you imagine Donald Trump in the same room as 566 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.559 one of those toys where you move the little things 567 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.079 along the wires with Imagine him sitting against the wall 568 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.079 and there's just like a kind of big red stripe 569 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:16.200 behind him, you know. 570 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.839 And he's walking into a suit and tie to he's 571 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:21.720 got to take take work off because he's got to 572 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.079 take Don Junior to get a vaccine. 573 00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.359 Come on, buddy, you'll get a lollipop at the end. 574 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:28.759 It's me Donald Trump taking my son. 575 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:32.240 He and Havana. We're just going together to the pediatricians. 576 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.039 I would have loved someone to follow up on that question, 577 00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:36.960 be like, oh, when did you When did you do that? 578 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.799 What pediatrician? Where did they go? 579 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.359 Famous hypochondriac Donald Trump sitting in a waiting room with 580 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:44.319 a bunch of coughing children. Inconceivable. 581 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:50.920 Inconceivable, he just missed his son's wedding. What are you 582 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:55.599 talking about? Anyway? Right before the vaccine event, Todd Blanche 583 00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:57.720 was sworn in as the next Attorney General in a 584 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.000 private ceremony in the Oval Office on sad The Senate 585 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:05.839 voted to confirm Blanche and the only no's were Lisa 586 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:09.559 Murkowski and Susan Collins. But three yes is from the 587 00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.640 three members of the so called Yolo Caucus of Republicans, 588 00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:16.039 John Corny and Tom Tillis and Bill Cassidy, who had 589 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:17.119 this to say, and. 590 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.160 On giving his family protection from I R S probes. 591 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.279 That's totally wrong, totally wrong, and so I will go back. 592 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:24.880 This was not a black or white decision. 593 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.319 That is wrong, and no Americans should be targeted by 594 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.400 the law, but no Americans should be above the law. 595 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.799 And that frankly almost weighed to vote no. 596 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:34.599 Wow. 597 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:37.640 Especially it's a it's quite a black and white decision. 598 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.960 There's there's a yes vote and there's a no vote. 599 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.480 He's either he's either confirmed or he's not confirmed. I 600 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:48.960 will say that. In the in that oval the vaccination event, 601 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.799 some reporter was like, so is the weaponization fund dead? 602 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.160 And he said, well, that's up to the attorney general. 603 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.759 Now mm hmm, just like we thought. 604 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:01.440 Yeah, like fecklessness of Cassidy and Cornyn until its three 605 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.799 people that Trump's personally ruined their careers. He got involved 606 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.319 to get them out office. He successfully did it. He 607 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.559 has now put forward as his Attorney general nomination, someone 608 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.640 who's oversaw the politicization of the Justice Department unlike anything 609 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.440 before in American history, which is a tough category. RFK 610 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:25.119 was the Attorney General who personally met with Gallaine Maxwell, 611 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.720 oversaw her transfer to a Cushier prison. Has overseen a 612 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.599 Justice department in which they've gone after Lisa Cook and 613 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:40.160 James Comy and fucking the sandwich thrower, all the way 614 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.720 up and down in any like, so beyond the pale, 615 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.880 so obviously unfit, so clearly a moment to just stand 616 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.039 up and say no, as you could ever imagine in 617 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.559 the Senate. And then this guy has the audacity to 618 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.200 then claim it was a hard decision. He talks about 619 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.039 tearing up in this interview with given the credible amount 620 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.519 of responsibility on his shoulders to have stood in those 621 00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.839 hallowed halls and been responsible for such big decisions, much 622 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:08.960 like he always imagined it could be to be on 623 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.480 in that storied Senate chamber. And he is saying it 624 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:18.640 as someone who completely failed his moral responsibility, that he 625 00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:22.160 completely gave up that power to Donald Trump in a 626 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.160 way that is pathetic and that defines him. His whole 627 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.799 life is defined by his decision to be a tool 628 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.640 for Donald Trump, a stooge for Donald Trump, and he's 629 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.200 giving interviews about how weepy he was the having had 630 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:34.960 the opportunity. 631 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.000 I mean, look at it this way. Sometimes we say 632 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.759 these people do this for Donald Trump because all they 633 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.759 want is their job and their title, and they're afraid. Honestly, 634 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.400 it was none of those things. He lost his job, 635 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.440 lost his title. He doesn't have anything to fear anymore. 636 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.440 He just thought, Okay, sure it's it's Todd Blanche. 637 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:56.000 It's kind of laziness. 638 00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.519 He said something about like, well, it wasn't about like 639 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.440 the perfect attorney general was. Maybe another one would be worse. 640 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:02.559 What are you talking about. 641 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.599 I really think they've sorted Todd Blanche into the serious 642 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.240 guy who talks honestly behind closed doors, and that's what 643 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:09.240 they've convinced themselves. 644 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.480 But this is where this is how they all like 645 00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.960 love Rubio stell right right in their mind. Rubio's like 646 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:15.599 the adult in the room, even though he is like 647 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.880 capitulated on just about everything that Donald Trump has asked 648 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:18.400 him to do. 649 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.480 Right and says crazy things in public. Now the same 650 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.839 way they can see Doug Bergham as a serious and 651 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:24.960 reasonable person even though he's out there saying that the 652 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.599 reflecting pool was destroyed by vandals. The other part of this, 653 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.079 too is they act they're acting so powerless. They had 654 00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:37.799 so much power. Cassidy Collins, Murkowski, Tillis Cornyan. They could 655 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.599 have come together and said, we want to ban by 656 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:45.240 law any kind of insurrectionist fund. We want a public 657 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.279 assurance from Todd Blanche that he won't consult with Donald 658 00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:52.480 Trump about ongoing cases. They could have. They could have 659 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.000 in law. They could have passed a law that said 660 00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:59.000 no settlement with the irs could carry forward into the 661 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.039 future that it can only be. There's all kinds of 662 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:03.039 things that they could have done with their actual power 663 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.519 that was not impossible. It just required some work, like 664 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.039 actually getting together and figuring it out and caring enough 665 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.920 to do something without acting. Like every vote that happens 666 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.559 to you is the like there's no forward planning to it. 667 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.400 It's like, well that's the vote today. Nothing I could do. 668 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:18.119 He's acting, so it doesn't fucking matter. 669 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:22.199 It's really wild. I would love someone to really I 670 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.519 mean this is no, I wouldn't because what's going to 671 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.599 happen is Todd Blanche will continue to do horrible things. 672 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.960 And then someone will ask them, you know, what did 673 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.000 you think about Blanche doing that? And maybe they'll say, oh, 674 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.199 I'm so disappointed that he did that. I never thought 675 00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:34.800 he would do that. 676 00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.119 I was reassured, you know, he gave me his assurance. 677 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.079 Yeah, boy am I. It's like, you know, it's like 678 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.719 how Susan Collins talks about Brett Kavanaugh and Dobbs. 679 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.559 You know, yeah, that is the and like Susan Collins 680 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:48.159 now gets to have this vote no, and as everyone 681 00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:49.800 the point people have made again and again is that 682 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.079 she only votes against Trump when it doesn't have a consequence. 683 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.159 This is what's happening here. But I do think there's 684 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:56.079 like an alarm that's not going off a dog that 685 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.559 ever barks with Susan Collins, which is what kind of 686 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.239 fucking non leader is she? She has all this power 687 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:03.679 in the Senate. 688 00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:05.639 She head of the Appropriations Committee, she could have gotten some. 689 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.159 Other There's so much she could have done with this 690 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:08.760 group of people. She's still good. They could do it 691 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.400 right fucking out. They never will. He is desperate. It 692 00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.119 is a it is a close Senate Mitch McConnell is 693 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:19.480 quote unquote recuperating at home. You know, his doctor. Jonah 694 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:24.840 Salk says he's getting better. Clara Barton says he's doing 695 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.159 quite well. So there's that. 696 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:33.920 It's working from home, h some kind of home, all right. 697 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.920 So that's it. Todd Blanche, Todd Blanche is our new 698 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.079 attorney general. He was the old attorney general. Gonna we're 699 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.000 not gonna notice much of a difference. He's just gonna 700 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.280 continue doing whatever Donald Trump tells him to do. Personal lawyer, 701 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.239 now the attorney general, but still the personal lawyer. All right, 702 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.559 let's get to the midterms. On Monday, Speaker of Mike 703 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:54.039 Johnson launched an exciting new messaging effort called the Contrast 704 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.880 for America, the Transpired by Newt Gingrich's famous Contract with America, 705 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.199 which mister, the people alive don't remember anymore, aiming to 706 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:07.679 reframe the election as a fight against actual communism. That's 707 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.679 not a joke. If you go to the website, which 708 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.960 I don't encourage you to try, but if you go there, 709 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.880 it shows the history of communism in different milestones and 710 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:21.159 different communist takeovers, and then it compares. Then it compares 711 00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:25.480 democrats wanting to raise taxes to that they cause that communism. 712 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.840 Now that's now that's communism raising taxes. Republicans are betting 713 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:31.599 that their only chance to win the mid terms now 714 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.559 is to capitalize on the Democratic infighting over a few 715 00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:38.400 DSA candidates and also more progressive Democrats like Abdul winning 716 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.960 their primaries the cycle. Here's AOC giving her theory of 717 00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.719 the case to ABC's John Carl on Sunday in response 718 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.920 to questions about Wisconsin front runner of Francesca Hong and 719 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.599 Abdul doing his best to pivot to a general election message. 720 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.519 What do you make of those controversial statements. I'm sure 721 00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.199 you've seen, and I mean she's you know, the Thanksgiving 722 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.000 dust up, she says, she doesn't you know, still believe that, 723 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:05.239 but you know, the abolished prisons, abolished police. 724 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:10.639 My understanding is that is that Francesca Hang has made 725 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.599 clear her present stances to her life. 726 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.480 She's moved away from right, she's. 727 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:18.440 Moved away from it. And I have a local city 728 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:23.679 councilman that has this, saying woke one was crazy. And 729 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.559 I think that we all share in the goals of 730 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.239 having as low a crime rate as possible. I think that, 731 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.239 you know, during lockdown, of course, rhetoric in that time 732 00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:36.119 is not rhetoric that we would use today. 733 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.320 When asked about Hassan Piker's comments on nine to eleven, 734 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.199 Senator Bernie Sanders called it a dumb statement. 735 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:44.000 Do you agree? 736 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:48.079 Do you disavow those comments that America deserved nine to eleven? 737 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.239 Of course, of course it was a dumb statement, And 738 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.079 of course I think Hassan himself would say that was 739 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:55.800 a dumb statement. 740 00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.639 He disabout it. I want to be held accountable for 741 00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:58.920 what I say and what I do. 742 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.199 Look, I'm less concerned now with who I'm campaigning with 743 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.239 a lot more concerned about who I'm campaigning to. 744 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.599 So Republicans are hoping that Democratic quote unquote extremism will 745 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:11.000 be for this midterm cycle. What the Dobbs decision was 746 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.239 for twenty twenty two sort of a way to change 747 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:17.880 the subject away from a deeply unpopular incumbent. What do 748 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:19.400 you think? Do you think it could work? 749 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:26.719 I don't because one is a fear mongering message about 750 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.599 Democrats trying to make every Democrat sound like the craziest 751 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:32.480 thing people saw on the internet. The oh there is 752 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.679 a real decision having real negative consequences on people's lives 753 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.199 that the Republicans actually did. I also think it is 754 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.440 part of you know, they can't. There's no campaigning that 755 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.000 they can do to diffuse. 756 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.760 The fact that they overturned Row. 757 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:49.639 They did that they wanted it, and in fact, a 758 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.880 lot of the people who were very happy to see 759 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:56.360 roe VERTND also supported abortion bands at the six week 760 00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:00.760 mark or with no exceptions for rape or incest or 761 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.000 the life of the mother. So they were settled with 762 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.039 their actual position. And this is fear mongering about Democrats 763 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.639 to make people think that they can't have I don't know, 764 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.079 universal health care and a tax code that was as 765 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.800 high as they were in the communist days of America 766 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:17.719 in nineteen ninety three. 767 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.840 I don't think it could work. I mean it could work, 768 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:24.280 but I think that it'd be one thing if Republican 769 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:28.639 candidates in an alternate universe were out there being like, 770 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.880 you know, Donald Trump, we break from him sometimes because 771 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.360 he can be extreme, and these Democrats are extreme too. 772 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.639 We're the only thing holding the line between crazy Donald 773 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.960 Trump and crazy Democrats. Of course, that's not what they're 774 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.840 going to do. They're all in for Donald Trump. So 775 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.599 I think that I think it'd be tough, and also 776 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.960 depends on like most people, when you are I mean, 777 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.840 we saw this in the New York Times Santa Pols 778 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.960 of the Senate battlegrounds from last month, which is you'll 779 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.519 get a majority of voters in that poll in the 780 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.960 Senate battlegrounds at least said Democrats are too far to 781 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.559 the left. They think the Democratic Party is too far 782 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.519 to the left. But when you ask about the Democratic 783 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:08.440 Senate candidate running in their state, they don't think necessarily 784 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:10.960 think that that Democratic Senate candidate is too far to 785 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.559 the left. And so in midterm this goes race by race. 786 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:18.880 And if you know, if you're a Democrat running that 787 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.000 race and they try to tag you as a DSA candidate, 788 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.239 or they try to say you want to abolish prisons, 789 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.440 like you just say, no, that's not what I believe. Yeah, 790 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.079 this is what I believe. I have this agenda that 791 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.840 is not my agenda. And so you know, they'll i mean, 792 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.960 on the margins for you know, voters who aren't paying 793 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.039 attention until they go cast a ballot. Could this work Maybe, 794 00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:43.719 I don't know, but I think in a midterm for 795 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.000 most voters, it's probably going to be going to be 796 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.119 tricky when you get down to the individual race level. 797 00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:50.599 Yeah, like I guess will it work, Well, yeah, it's 798 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.960 going to work on some people. This is they're trying 799 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.760 to make Democrats their job. Fundamentally, what is American policy today? 800 00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.119 It is from the right is an effort to make 801 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.000 extreme Republicans seem reasonable and reasonable Democrats seem extreme, and 802 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.400 to pretend that politics is ultimately not about what the 803 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.440 tax rates are and who gets health care and who doesn't. 804 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.119 That's what everything. That's why they got a fucking the 805 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.719 former NBA guy trying to get into the WNBA. It's 806 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.320 like it's all part of one big thing. I was 807 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.360 thinking about Francesca Hong because I joked about it, love 808 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.559 it or leave it, and I went through the tweets 809 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.079 and they are quite silly. And this is the moment 810 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:31.519 where we're going to talk about these things because the 811 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.719 primary is wrapping up. We're having an intra party debate 812 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:35.920 right now. This is the moment where Abdual pivots to 813 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.920 the general where there's the most sore and hurt feelings, 814 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.000 where we're trying to figure out what worked and what didn't. 815 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.199 You're trying to reconcile all these things like in Wisconsin, 816 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.239 whatever happens in the election, Let's say Francesca Hang is 817 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.440 the winner. Maybe she has, maybe she's not. Either way, 818 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.159 Tom Tiffany right, like, oh my god, I can't believe 819 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:57.400 she tweeted that about Thanksgiving. Tom Tiffany objected to Wisconsin's electors. 820 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:02.360 He signed on to the to the Ken Paxton lawsuit 821 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.280 to try to overturn the election. He continues to say 822 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.440 that there were hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes in Wisconsin. 823 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:12.960 He said that that Trump should cut off funding too Madison, 824 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.199 that Wisconsin, the state he's trying to lead, should get 825 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.760 less money because it is not going along with Trump's 826 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.039 immigration policies. He refused to say that Trump shouldn't invoke 827 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:27.840 the Insurrection Act is He sponsored a resolution in Congress 828 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.159 to support Trump for sending people to fucking seccat in 829 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.840 El Salvador. He's an extreme and radical person. And if 830 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.119 you ask people, do you want a governor who was 831 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.239 in a bad mood in Christmas in twenty twenty or 832 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.760 somebody who believes in deporting people to a foreign gulag 833 00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.440 and supports sending more money to Ice and cutting taxes 834 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.599 for billionaires? Like, where do you actually come down on this? 835 00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:53.079 I think people if given the choice, faithfully would choose 836 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.599 somebody who maybe said some kookie stuff in the post. 837 00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.320 And that's our job is to get back to that. 838 00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.599 I don't think those voters were going to be like, well, 839 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.719 her Thanksgiving tweet was crazy. It's going to be they're 840 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.719 going to think, oh, she wants to abolish police, or 841 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.920 she wants to and I'm afraid about crime, and so 842 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.199 she's going to have to do, if she's the nominee, 843 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.480 reassurance of people that she cares about public safety, and 844 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:17.000 do it in a way that is convincing. 845 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:20.920 I also, this is my own Maybe this makes me 846 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.480 a bit of a neolib shill, but there was a 847 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.199 time when Democrats really enjoyed hating communists and like really 848 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.679 kind of got into it about how stupid and deadly 849 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:33.000 and dumb and ideology is that, Like, there was a 850 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:37.320 kind of consensus that fascism and communism were programs for 851 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:41.599 morons and losers that were deadly and stupid, and we 852 00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.719 should fight them with everything we've got because we believe 853 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.880 in a democratic and liberal order in which we protect 854 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.320 people from the worst kinds of destitution and have a 855 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.039 safety net and give everybody opportunity. But also support the 856 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.199 freedom to say what you want and pray how you want, 857 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.760 but also start a business and create products and try 858 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.079 to build things and innovate Like that was sort of 859 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.440 what we all used to believe in. One way to 860 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.679 deal with the communism crap is to have democrats out 861 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.079 there who are willing to say, like, I believe in 862 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.320 free markets as long as they're fair and give everybody 863 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.559 a chance, which is something a lot of Democrats used 864 00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:13.159 to be a little bit more comfortable talking about because 865 00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.159 they were less afraid of being attacked by people on Twitter. 866 00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:19.559 Well, I mean, I think a duel even in the 867 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.480 primary towards the end was talking about like because he 868 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:25.760 would be asked, oh, aren't you DSA too, and he 869 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.480 was like, no, I'm I believe in free markets. I 870 00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:30.360 like free markets. 871 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:31.599 Yeah, you know. 872 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:36.559 And look Francesca hang in fairness. She's like she's been saying, like, well, 873 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.840 i'm a I was a small business owner. You know. 874 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.760 The challenge is like when you call yourself a socialist 875 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.440 and it's like, well, what does socialism mean? And this 876 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.760 is the whole thing with you know, well, defund was 877 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.119 actually just a slogan, and abolish is just an aspirational 878 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.800 abolish police and abolished prisons. That's just an aspirational thing 879 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.239 that's not real. Well, then don't use the fucking slogan. No, 880 00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:57.760 it's just an. 881 00:44:57.679 --> 00:44:59.920 Extremely unhelpful way of achieving my vision. 882 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.079 Right. It's like it's like, then you're upset that people 883 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.000 don't understand that you actually have a nuanced view of 884 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.960 public safety because you embrace the slogan abolished police. Like, 885 00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:13.039 of course they're not going to understand that you have 886 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.400 a nuanced view if you use that slogan or you 887 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.519 just say you're socialists. And so you probably shouldn't call 888 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.000 yourself a socialist. 889 00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:21.079 Right because because like I think there are plenty of 890 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:24.440 people that are democratic socialists who are socialists, but a 891 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.639 lot of people ascribe to it because they think being 892 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:30.360 a democrat is correctly crnch. The word liberal was actually 893 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:33.280 maligned by Republicans for a long time. And they're really 894 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.360 social democrats, right, That's what they are. They are social democrats, 895 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.360 which and I really do think there's a lot of 896 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.280 people that have convinced themselves that democrats are just sort 897 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.199 of incremental socialists, right in both directions, But I think 898 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.599 they're socialists that believe that about democrats. I think there's 899 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.360 there are people that there's a kind of and there 900 00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.800 are lefty democrats who believe that about that. Somehow we're that. Really, 901 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.199 to be a liberal is just to be afraid to 902 00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.639 say what you really want, as opposed to having a 903 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:03.599 framework for viewing the world in which government helps to 904 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.960 address inequities and solve problems. But fundamentally you do believe 905 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:13.000 in all kinds of freedoms, including the freedom the freedoms 906 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:14.239 that go along with the free market. 907 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:16.920 Well yeah, it's just if you believe in medicare for 908 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:21.239 all and wealth tax on billionaires or abolishing ice or 909 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.599 whatever it is. Just say you believe in those things 910 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:27.719 and just talk about those policies. Like the labeling doesn't 911 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.039 seem like it's helpful in any way, shape or form, 912 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:32.239 But I don't know. That's just me. 913 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.280 Good Zave America is brought to you by HYMNS. 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And I saw a 941 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:06.480 few people talking about this, which is Okay, we're now 942 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.000 saying kind of more publicly what we were all saying 943 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:10.880 to each other in private, like, boy, we've lost our 944 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:12.960 minds a little bit, haven't we. And to me, what's 945 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.960 interesting about it is like I like whenever, I care 946 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.039 less about what people were saying on the internet and 947 00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.840 more about what our candidates were doing. And I think 948 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.960 about everyone raising their hand about decriminalizing the border or 949 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.480 kind of taking kind of more lefty positions. It's what 950 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.760 settled Kamala with the sort of the that's you know 951 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.639 that that that questionnaire is from the height of this 952 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:38.440 moment of woke one point zero. 953 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.679 And images like the you know probably the you know 954 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.360 Pelosi kneeling with the kenty cloth was maybe maybe that 955 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:47.400 was a little much. 956 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:51.480 And but what but what But what was happening then was, 957 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.760 first of all, there was we were dealing with a 958 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.400 once in a century pandemic. We were having a genuine 959 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:02.239 and important conversation nationally about systemic racism and policing. It 960 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.679 did lead to a lot of important conversations about reform. 961 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.039 But I do think that a lot of people felt 962 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:13.199 like they were performing something they didn't totally understand or believed, 963 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.079 and they would leave the criticism to others because they 964 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.119 just weren't going to take on that work, right, And 965 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.360 so everybody kind of went along with certain parts of it, 966 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.679 but they weren't totally sold on, right, or maybe they 967 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.639 didn't say it themselves, right, but they didn't want to 968 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:25.320 get in the muck. They certainly weren't going to go 969 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.239 out there and saying I actually don't believe in defunding 970 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:28.960 the police. There wasn't a lot of equity. There was 971 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.480 a lot of value in poking your head up above 972 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:32.519 the trench line there. 973 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.519 Yeah. Well, I mean when you think back to like 974 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.000 what was woke one, right, because now we're just saying, oh, 975 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:41.599 it was all crazy, and you're right, people like at 976 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.960 least people on the left kind of instinctively know what 977 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.320 that means. Yeah, But it's like worth talking about what 978 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.719 it is, what it was, And I do think it's 979 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:53.480 like three different things we're talking about here. There's policies, right, 980 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.159 and so there was defund the police. It was the 981 00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.920 big one, but there was also abolish the police, abolish prison, 982 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.639 which I I didn't even remember from then, but now 983 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:04.639 we're now, we're seeing all the tweets from back then 984 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.320 abolish borders or open borders or decriminalize all that. So 985 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.360 there was that. Then there was language that was used, 986 00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.760 and there was like there were words that no one 987 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:19.440 actually uses in real life that were chosen to replace 988 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:24.199 words that had been deemed offensive but weren't always offensive. 989 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.599 Well, even in your interview with Francisca Hung, she talked 990 00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:28.719 about justice impacted individuals. 991 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:31.320 Right, Which is a funny thing because I remember when 992 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:34.840 I interviewed Andy Basheer and he and I was like, 993 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:37.039 what did democrats do wrong or whatever? I asked him 994 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:38.840 some question about Democrats and what he would change, and 995 00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.159 he's like, well, we use language that you know people 996 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:43.280 that's I don't know if he said faculty lounges, but 997 00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.360 it's that kind of idea. And he said, you know, 998 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.079 like justice impacted individuals. I remember when he said that 999 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.639 to me, I'm like, is he just saying that phrase 1000 00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.880 to like pick out something to mock because I'd never 1001 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:56.760 heard that. I was like what is he talking about? 1002 00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.440 And then she said it to me and I was like, oh, oh, 1003 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.599 I guess that is something just as impacted individuals. So 1004 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.239 there's a whole bunch of language that made the left 1005 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:09.039 and Democrats seem like completely out of touch and that 1006 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:11.599 they don't speak the language that most people speak. Right. 1007 00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:14.320 Then there was the public shaming, I want to say 1008 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.920 cancel culture, but public shaming, right, which is there was 1009 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.639 a tendency and this was mostly on the internet, though 1010 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:24.480 it bled into the primary a little bit in twenty twenty, 1011 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:28.480 responding to someone's statement or position that you disagree with 1012 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:33.000 by trying to yell at the person, label them bad, 1013 00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:38.960 shame them instead of persuading them that they're wrong or 1014 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.400 calling their idea bad or their statement bad, like they 1015 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.920 were bad. Yeah, you know, Like that's and it's like 1016 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.280 also the difference between like that statement seems a little 1017 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.119 racist versus like you are a racist, yeah for making 1018 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:53.400 that statement, or sexist or whatever it may be. And 1019 00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:56.280 so there was a little there was as we were 1020 00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:02.239 discussing real problems to be solved, systemic racism, police violence, 1021 00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:06.559 a brutal way of treating immigrants, whatever it may be, 1022 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.719 there was this belief that if you yelled loud enough 1023 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.719 or took a strong enough stance and called out the 1024 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.159 people who were taking the opposite stance loudly enough, that 1025 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.440 like that would be the way that you fight it. 1026 00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.880 And I think that since then people have learned that 1027 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.679 maybe the most effective way is to try to like 1028 00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:29.920 bring people along to persuade them, and then you know, 1029 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.519 if you can't vote against them or organize against them. Right, 1030 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:34.360 But it's just there was a there was like a 1031 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:40.440 substitution for real politics because the discussions were happening online 1032 00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.320 and people were just doing a lot of yelling and 1033 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:42.800 name calling. 1034 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:47.960 Yeah, it also like there was it followed, so Trump 1035 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.559 wins in twenty sixteen, the me too happens in twenty seventeen. 1036 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.800 You have a series of terrible killings by the police 1037 00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.719 that follow and then into the pandemic and then the 1038 00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:03.960 death of George Floyd. And it was this moment of saying, 1039 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.880 look at what we've tolerated, right, look at how much 1040 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.480 injustice was sort of baked into all of these systems. 1041 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:12.840 Look At how much we were ignoring that was in 1042 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.000 plain sight all around us. Now is the moment we're 1043 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:17.880 going to tear these things down. We're going to tear 1044 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.400 these systems down. And that was exciting, and it was 1045 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.760 exhilarating I think for people, especially for activists, who suddenly 1046 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:26.440 found that there were millions of people in their homes 1047 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:29.840 seeing their messages. They weren't out at bars, they weren't 1048 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.079 at they weren't in an office, they weren't living, they 1049 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.519 weren't at a park. They were home watching their screen 1050 00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.480 and and all of us collectively worked of taking in 1051 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:39.519 a lot more of this and more receptive to it. 1052 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:41.360 I mean we were, we were you know, I remember 1053 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.679 we were doing pods from our homes and you just 1054 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.360 knew that you put, everyone was seeing it all at once, right, 1055 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.360 There's a lot of people going out to do jobs 1056 00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.000 that they had to do, but as a side of 1057 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:54.599 our culture was being made by people fully paying attention 1058 00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.039 all the time from their couches and all of that 1059 00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:01.079 was it meant that everything was heightened, and you lack 1060 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:03.440 the feedback loop of being in the world, right, you 1061 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.840 lock the feedback loop of talking to someone face to 1062 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:07.880 face and trying things out, and also, by the way, 1063 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.199 stepping away for a little bit. 1064 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.079 Right, Well, there was also a thing too, where so 1065 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:18.239 you know, George Floyd's murder and a very important discussion 1066 00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:24.239 afterwards about reform, reform, policing, systemic racism. And then you know, 1067 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:29.840 there would be some vandalism and you know, you know, 1068 00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.559 windows being broken, and you know, people spray painting a 1069 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:38.000 cab all cops are bad, and then some people will 1070 00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.679 be like, well, that's not great, you know, to do 1071 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.079 that kind of stuff. And then the response you get is, 1072 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.760 how can you care about that when there are these 1073 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:51.840 bigger issues? And the truth is it's the reason you 1074 00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.480 care about that is because the rest of the country 1075 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.679 is watching as well, and there's a most people, a 1076 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:02.119 majority of people who think police brutality and police police 1077 00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:06.119 killing is a problem and very bad. But also they 1078 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.760 like police in general as a concept, you know what 1079 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.599 I'm saying, And so like for those people, if you 1080 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:16.239 tell them no, no, no, it's also okay, uh looting in 1081 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.119 vandalism and saying that all cops are bad, like that's 1082 00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:21.679 okay too, Like they're just not going to agree with you. 1083 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.679 Well. I also I do think that there was an 1084 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.039 impulse and I especially in like a kind of a 1085 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.000 political show like this or political political debate more generally, 1086 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.199 there was a I don't remember what the book was called, 1087 00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:36.239 but the thesis was something like looting a okay, were 1088 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.440 I work for a major news organization and my book 1089 00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:42.800 is called looting. Yes, uh, it's terrific, you know, it's 1090 00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:44.159 like sort of but it's sort of written in some 1091 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.079 academic speak like looting in the practice of freedom or 1092 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.679 something like that. And I remember feeling this at the time 1093 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:52.639 because it was so heightened and the internet was such 1094 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.440 an intense place that you would you would say, like, 1095 00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.840 hold on a second, these things are counterproductive, right, Like 1096 00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.159 this leads to backlash. We're trying to avoid that backlash 1097 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.800 because the cause is so just, right, like, because the 1098 00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:10.800 cause of accountability for violence against people by the police 1099 00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:11.880 is so important, because. 1100 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.760 It's like, yes, but because the cause is so just 1101 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.960 and important, that's why you have to be careful. What's 1102 00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.119 why you have to be extra extra like think harder 1103 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:22.719 about persuading people well, and. 1104 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.480 And so then you say, that's and so therefore, because 1105 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:28.840 the looting or the damage will be taken out of context, 1106 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:31.039 even if the vast majority of people are peaceful, it 1107 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.000 will be it will cause a backlash. But even in 1108 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:41.840 that moment, there was a kind of social pressure against 1109 00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:46.079 simply saying because looting is wrong, because that business being 1110 00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:49.000 destroyed hurts the people that work there, the people that 1111 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.239 own that business, even if it is a big company, 1112 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:52.920 by the way, but it hurts the people that work 1113 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.360 there that aren't for a big company whose jobs depend 1114 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:56.559 on it, but a lot of them are going to 1115 00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.199 be small businesses, and that is just simply morally wrong, 1116 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.119 even if the ultimate cause for the anger, what led 1117 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:04.800 to the protests itself, is just it is just wrong, 1118 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.440 even if it weren't counterproductive, and there was very little 1119 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.199 space for that. But here we are years later, and 1120 00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:13.480 actually the failure for more politicians and people in authority 1121 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.719 to remember those lines and assert those lines in the 1122 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.559 same way. By the way, a Bill Cassidy or John 1123 00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:24.920 Cornyn are afraid to draw those lines. They are paying 1124 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.119 because they went along with a kind of style that 1125 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.400 the country has now looked back on with a lot 1126 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:30.840 of disdain. 1127 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:34.559 I will say, on the other hand, after AOC made 1128 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.599 those comments, I saw a lot of center left folks 1129 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.239 who sort of always thought that woke one was a 1130 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:44.719 little crazy, just not being very thrilled that she was 1131 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:48.360 just laughing it off. And they want a more serious 1132 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:51.360 explanation about what actually was crazy and what progressives have 1133 00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.639 learned and sort of like more of a mea culpa 1134 00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:56.599 on this and I understand that. But also it's like 1135 00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:00.639 political leaders on the left moving away from some of 1136 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.320 the fringi er unpopular positions that they took in the 1137 00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:07.480 past is a good thing. Well, and like one way 1138 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:11.159 to incentivize people changing their minds like that is to 1139 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.320 welcome it when it happens and not complain about it, 1140 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:18.159 because I think changing your mind is good. Apologies are good. 1141 00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:22.599 Recognizing that that past positions weren't the best is good. 1142 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.760 Like you you sort of want to It's almost like, 1143 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.400 in a different way, it's when a Trump voter is like, oh, gosh, 1144 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.679 I didn't think the deportations were coming to my town, 1145 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.679 and like, instead of being like, well, you're an idiot, 1146 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.159 you know that, the response to actually be like great, well, 1147 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:40.880 then welcome, welcome to our movement. 1148 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.559 Well. Look, the term woke was stolen and turned into 1149 00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.239 a pejorative, but one of the ways it was used 1150 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.920 at the time was it doesn't matter when you got woke, 1151 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.320 that you are right like it just like that that 1152 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:56.280 that you've woken up to what's happening in our society, 1153 00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:57.320 and that's a good thing. 1154 00:58:57.800 --> 00:58:58.320 Like that to me. 1155 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.320 The other part of the woke one is crazy is 1156 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:07.760 part of the problem is okay, fine time is flattened 1157 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.400 on the internet and in political ads. 1158 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:10.480 That the fact that. 1159 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.639 Now people are walking away from certain styles of rhetoric 1160 00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.519 or positions that were more extreme than they want to 1161 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:19.360 take right now. Good those old clips are still coming out. 1162 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.400 Kamala paid in blood for what she said in twenty twenty. 1163 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:24.480 We are for what We are all paying in blood 1164 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.119 for what Kamala said in twenty twenty. Uh So part 1165 00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:31.119 of this, well, of course not of course it wasn't 1166 00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:32.719 just her, it was everybody was ever. It was a 1167 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.960 it was a it was a cultural kind of like 1168 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.920 whatever acute cultural moment of people kind of kind of 1169 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:43.719 uh uh kind of in this sort of reverie. But regardless, 1170 00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.280 one way to get past it. It's not just disavowing it. 1171 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:51.679 Like I appreciate abdul now saying that was dumb, but 1172 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:54.400 people can smell when someone wants to say something, and 1173 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:57.559 like there's a difference between saying and and hang did this, well, 1174 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.960 this is different between saying like what I'm running on 1175 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:02.880 is what I'm saying right now. And these are my 1176 01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:04.920 current views, and I've said things in the past and 1177 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.400 I don't stand by all of them, and people evolve 1178 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.880 versus just being like, look, I said some stupid fucking 1179 01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:12.840 shit in the past, and uh, like I looking back 1180 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:14.960 on it, I don't really think that anymore. And you 1181 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.920 can trust that. I love that as a governor of 1182 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.119 this state that I will support the police. I believe 1183 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.639 in policing the people, that the people, some of the 1184 01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:25.880 most vulnerable communities in our society, depend on having good, 1185 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.079 responsible community policing that they can trust. That's what I 1186 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.320 want to build. I don't want to abolish the police. 1187 01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:33.639 I think that that's dumb and I regret embracing it 1188 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:36.000 as a slogan because it doesn't actually capture what I think, Like, 1189 01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:37.599 there is a way of talking about this that is 1190 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:39.599 going to honor your values that doesn't just you're not 1191 01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:40.559 just going to get past it. 1192 01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:41.920 No one's just going to get you can't do the 1193 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.440 robot like these are my positions now, I will never 1194 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:46.880 talk about what they were before. 1195 01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.039 And by the way, like AOC knows that, of course, 1196 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:50.159 like AOC. 1197 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:55.199 Is like that, well, she I think she I liked it. 1198 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:56.199 But no, but I think she's trying to signal showing 1199 01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:57.639 like this, there is a way to talk about this 1200 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.000 in a kind of honest and authentic way that helps 1201 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:01.760 people see past something you may have said a few 1202 01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:02.119 years ago. 1203 01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:04.440 You know where people are gonna be able to hear 1204 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.800 a lot more about the best path forward for Democrats, 1205 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.719 and maybe we'll even have a conversation about whether woke 1206 01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:10.679 one was crazy or not. 1207 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:13.079 Where John Crooked Con Crooked Con. 1208 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:16.519 It's happening in DC the weekend following the midterms. 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All your friends 1219 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:42.559 are talking about them. 1220 01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:43.000 That's right. 1221 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.039 So before we move off this, it's election day. As 1222 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.920 you're listening to this both in Wisconsin, where Hang has 1223 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:51.960 been in a commanding position for a while now, and 1224 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:55.280 in Minnesota, where the Democratic primary for the open Senate 1225 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:59.639 seat that Tina Smith is vacating is happening between Lieutenant 1226 01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:03.199 Governor Peggy Flanagan, she's been on the show, in Congresswoman 1227 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:05.559 Angie Craig. We tried to get her on the show, 1228 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:11.320 and it's tightening more than people expected. Any final observations 1229 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:17.000 on either the Wisconsin gubernatorial race or before we move 1230 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.280 on to Minnesota, I did notice there was one last 1231 01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:23.599 state navigate state navigate pole that has hung at forty four. 1232 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:28.000 Crowley at twenty two. He gained seven from their last poll, 1233 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:32.599 Undecided at nine, Calderoy's at eleven, Brennan five, and Barnes 1234 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:33.760 is still at six in that pole. 1235 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:39.079 Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I do think the fact 1236 01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.039 that the Republicans have gone behind Tom Tiffany has meant 1237 01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:44.199 they haven't had any kind of fractious primary on their side. 1238 01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.840 We've had one on ours. I do not think we 1239 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:48.679 have shred our assults in glory in this primary. I 1240 01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:51.599 don't think it looks particularly you have the lieutenant governor 1241 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.480 dropping out because of some sort of alleged campaign malfeasans 1242 01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:58.199 by the campaign manager didn't reflect very well, especially in 1243 01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:02.519 a state that's been dealing with a scandal around fraud 1244 01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.840 and medicaid. You have Crowley who got out then got 1245 01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.840 back in at the behest of Tony Evers, the governor, 1246 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:11.840 who could have run again. People thought he would, then 1247 01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.360 he decided not to. And so the end result is 1248 01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.000 people feel like, oh no, we ended up with somebody 1249 01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.880 that has these kind of crazy old posts and has 1250 01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:21.639 sort of been mired in this sort of right wing 1251 01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.360 scandal for a few days, and all of that I 1252 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:26.440 do think has obscured the stakes in this election. The 1253 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:32.920 next Wisconsin governor may oversee the the presidential contest that 1254 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:35.480 could be close. That person will be responsible for certifying 1255 01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:38.719 the election. Tom Tiffany is an election denier, and I 1256 01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:43.400 Democrats we have these big emotional anxiety, anxious, you know, 1257 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.880 anxious debates about our candidates. We worry about them saying 1258 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.480 the wrong thing. We worried about them having extreme positions 1259 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:51.440 that are out of step with the voters. The Republicans 1260 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.360 are not doing that, Tom Tiffany. The voters of Wisconsin 1261 01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:56.639 do not want an election deny or they believe that 1262 01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:59.239 they believe in free and fair elections, and they believe 1263 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:00.920 in a society in which when you lose an election, 1264 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.119 that's okay. You live to fight another day. You don't 1265 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.760 claim Donald Trump won and try to tell a bunch 1266 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:07.519 of your fellow citizens that their vote doesn't counts. They 1267 01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:10.159 don't believe in using the Insurrection Act. They don't believe 1268 01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.559 in deporting people to foreign gulags. They don't believe in 1269 01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:16.280 this mass deportation scheme in which our cities are overrun 1270 01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.519 by Ice agents. And so we have to remind our 1271 01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:22.639 we have to focus on painting the extremism of Tom 1272 01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:25.119 Tiffany as the real threat to Wisconsin, and after Wisconsin, 1273 01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:26.920 after this primary, we have to get our heads in 1274 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:27.400 the fucking game. 1275 01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:31.719 We haven't talked a lot about Minnesota. Angie Craig, I 1276 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:36.920 would say, is the more moderate candidate she has been. 1277 01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.039 Peggy flanagain has been sort of attacking her on her 1278 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.880 vote for the Lake and Riley Act, which Craig first 1279 01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:48.880 defended and then backtracked on. Craig is more pro Israel. 1280 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:52.039 She's called off or she said she doesn't want a 1281 01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:56.039 PAC money in the APAC was still doing some fundraising 1282 01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.360 and some spending for her. She also won't commit to 1283 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.639 not voting for Schumer. Peggy Flanagin is committing to vote 1284 01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:08.559 not vote for Schumer as leader. Peggy flan again said 1285 01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:10.880 she would have supported that vote to cut off military 1286 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.679 and financially to Israel that they took. Angie Craig didn't 1287 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:17.119 vote for that, and Peggy flana again has wanted to 1288 01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:19.480 you know, reform ized. She has not gone as far 1289 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:23.119 to say abolish eye. So it's it's what we've seen 1290 01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.239 in some of these primaries, but not I would say 1291 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.840 the differences aren't as stark as they maybe were in 1292 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.280 Michigan or some of the other ones. What do you 1293 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.599 think about this race? The polling is sort of all 1294 01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:33.559 over the place, we don't know. 1295 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:35.480 It reminds me a little like the old saying about like, 1296 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:38.559 you know, why is the fight so contentious? Well, because 1297 01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:40.280 the stakes are so low. I'm not saying the stakes 1298 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.360 the stakes are low. They're actually quite high. They're big 1299 01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:44.760 differences between them. But I think a part because people 1300 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:48.239 think we can win in Minnesota, and because I think 1301 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:53.920 Peggy Flanagan is not sort of a DSA city council person. 1302 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.679 She's a right, Lieutenant governor that a lot of people 1303 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:58.840 really respect for. Andrew Craig. Is me a little to 1304 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:00.920 her right or more you a lot to her write whatever, 1305 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.599 it feels a little bit less. It's got a little 1306 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.519 less certainly national attention, and I honestly a little lestention 1307 01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:09.519 for me. I've had Peggy flan again on the show. 1308 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:11.239 I really like her. I really like her. 1309 01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:11.760 I have no no. 1310 01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.159 Knock on Angie Cragg, but I just Peggy Flanagin is 1311 01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.000 just a really inspiring person to me. She has to 1312 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:18.519 be the first woman Native American to be elected to 1313 01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:21.559 the Senate, and just a really dynamic and interesting person. 1314 01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:24.880 I think it is because, like you said, whoever wins, 1315 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.280 I don't know that it changes like the race rating. 1316 01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:29.480 I don't think it makes it more of a toss 1317 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.360 up if Flannagan wins or versus Craig or vice versa. 1318 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.559 The other reason it might have gotten closes. Angie Craig's 1319 01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:39.920 been going after Flannagan for her connections to the state's 1320 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.920 fraud crisis that Wallace has been dealing with, that the 1321 01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:47.760 Republicans have been all over. It's remember it's what originally 1322 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.639 led Trump to send in Ice to Minnesota and all that. 1323 01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:52.880 So she's been trying to tagger with that, so that 1324 01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:56.039 might be and basically saying make it an electability argument, 1325 01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.519 saying that if Flannagan wins, that Republicans will spend the 1326 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.960 whole race tying her to the fraud crisis as well. Now, 1327 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.199 you could argue that they'll probably do the same to 1328 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:07.480 Angie Craig, even though she's not the lieutenant governor, because 1329 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.159 they'll just say any politician in Minnesota is part of 1330 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:14.079 the fraud crisis. But you know, that's one one argument 1331 01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:18.639 they're having there, all right. Speaking of the Minnesota primary, 1332 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:20.719 I don't know if you saw the story about Royce 1333 01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:23.400 White over on the Republican side. He is a former 1334 01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:26.320 NBA player who has run before for federal office and 1335 01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:29.280 is now trying to get in on the discourse about 1336 01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:33.159 the w NBA and trans rights by declaring that he's 1337 01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:39.400 entering the w NBA draft. Niskanter Freedom has also made 1338 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.760 this Another NBA player has also a former NBA player, 1339 01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:49.599 has also made this announcement as well. White even put 1340 01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.639 on a wig in interviews with Alex Jones and Benny Johnson. 1341 01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:56.199 Because that's what we're doing now. Most folks on the 1342 01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:58.880 writer are eating this up. It's also causing some conflict 1343 01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:02.440 because it's forcing them to talk about women's sports. Here's 1344 01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:05.199 our boy, Jesse Waters struggling with this very problem. 1345 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:05.679 Yeah. 1346 01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:09.280 This is week three of the five covering the WNBA, 1347 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:13.039 and I have to say I am done. I hate 1348 01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.920 the WNBA. I mean, I don't mind women's basketball. My 1349 01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.920 girls play basketball, but I don't want to cover women's basketball. 1350 01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:22.640 I don't want to be a WNBA analyst. 1351 01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:26.720 We get paid to have an opinion about everything, and 1352 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:30.880 this is something I don't care about. Every time I 1353 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.920 open up the rundown and see the WNBA in it. 1354 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:37.119 I feel like Jessica must feel every day. We have 1355 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:40.399 to do this again, really this again. 1356 01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:47.479 I don't know father of daughters, a father of daughters, 1357 01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:50.960 you know, as you know John, And I'm a season 1358 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.359 ticket holder to angel City. That's right, that's the women's 1359 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:56.560 soccer team here in Los Angeles. That is because I 1360 01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:58.319 am married to someone who used to basically be a 1361 01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:00.720 lesbian and they just kept the women's sports when they transition. 1362 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:02.800 So we go to the games and we have a 1363 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:04.960 great time. And there was a little dust up about this. 1364 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:06.000 A couple of. 1365 01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:11.000 Months ago, a player wrote an op ed about about 1366 01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:16.199 this and believing that people that were born as a 1367 01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:19.199 biologically male shouldn't play in women's sports and that there 1368 01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.600 should be a regime of testing. And this led to, 1369 01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:25.439 you know, the debate we've had at nauseum about well, 1370 01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:28.199 if you have a regime of testing that just punishes 1371 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:33.159 women who are forced to be examined, when this ends 1372 01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:34.760 up putting more power in the hands of the men, 1373 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:37.880 and it really kind of creates a situation in which 1374 01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:40.199 women have to prove that they're women. And all of 1375 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.840 this debate is happening. And do you know how many 1376 01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:47.119 trans athletes there were in the National Women's Soccer League 1377 01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:47.600 at that time? 1378 01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.600 Zero? Zero, same as zero right now. 1379 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:56.359 It's zero. And so they really like talking about this, 1380 01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:02.439 They really like talking about women's sports, and I suppose 1381 01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:05.439 that they can keep doing it. And if these guys 1382 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:07.279 and there are people who believe that if you've gone 1383 01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:09.960 through a transition, that doesn't give you any advantage, or 1384 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.840 others who simply say, if you went through male puberty 1385 01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:14.920 you have an advantage. It doesn't matter what happens. And 1386 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.840 I'll leave that other up to experts to decide However, 1387 01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.720 if they would like to play in the w NBA, 1388 01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:23.640 they better fucking transition. Let's get them on some fucking hormones. 1389 01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:25.880 They let's get let's let's let's get them in there, 1390 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:27.960 let's get for a couple of years. Let's see it boys. 1391 01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:30.239 I mean not to get into it, but they seem 1392 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:34.319 to think that it's just based on self identification, that 1393 01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.079 if you just say I identify as a woman, that 1394 01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.399 you are eligible for the w NBA Draft, And nothing 1395 01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:42.840 in the rules says that the league is going to 1396 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.119 have to figure out what the rules do say or 1397 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.479 like or what the qualifications are because it says you 1398 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:48.800 have to be a woman, But like, what does that 1399 01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:51.399 mean if someone ever wanted to who has transitioned, if 1400 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:54.159 someone ever wanted to play in the w NBA that 1401 01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:56.239 they're they're not dealing with that. They're dealing with a 1402 01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:59.760 couple of men who have not transitioned. They're just saying 1403 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.279 that women and putting on wigs, which is a very 1404 01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:06.039 different thing. But uh yeah, that's that's that's what we're 1405 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:07.920 doing right now. Just just two men who really want 1406 01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:10.560 to get attention is where we're at. 1407 01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:12.520 And even Jesse Waters doesn't want to give it to them. 1408 01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:16.000 Even Jesse Waters is bored by this. Uh yeah, I don't. 1409 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.439 Uh, that's that's what's happening. That's what's happening. 1410 01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:20.319 Good Luck follows. 1411 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:23.000 Well, they're getting some attention, all right. Last thing before 1412 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:27.479 we get to Lovet's interview with Sam Forstagg. Tucker Carlson's 1413 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:31.239 new coalition includes Marjorie Taylor Green, Thomas Massey, and maybe 1414 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:36.239 Hunter Biden. On Monday, Carlson released a highly anticipated I 1415 01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:39.600 guess two hour interview with Hunter Biden, who he's just 1416 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:42.720 he is just making the rounds Hunter Biden. Here's a clip. 1417 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:43.800 Here's here's how it went. 1418 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:47.359 I'm supposed to hate Tucker Carlson because he's an anti 1419 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:49.960 Semite and he's this, I know not you're not an 1420 01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:50.760 insistent might. 1421 01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:52.960 I might know? 1422 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:54.479 No, that's what my point being? 1423 01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:56.319 Is it? That would just say? So? 1424 01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:02.159 My point being is is it like if it's anti 1425 01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:05.800 Semitic to point out that bb net NYA who is 1426 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:10.159 evil incarnate, then you know what, I don't know what 1427 01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:11.439 to say to I don't know what to say to 1428 01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:12.119 people anymore. 1429 01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:13.760 What do you think? What do you think about all this? 1430 01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:17.000 He started by talking about how much how much he 1431 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.079 loves Candace Owns because he did Candace's show too. 1432 01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:24.600 You know, it's like he He's got like all of 1433 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:27.520 Joe Biden's ego, but like none of the civic mindedness. 1434 01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:30.079 Is how it always feels to me. 1435 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.239 Well, it was very It's he's just doing like a 1436 01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:36.760 pander thing, right, which is like it's a little bideny 1437 01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:40.600 where he like wants to be sort of nice and 1438 01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:42.520 gracious to the person he's sitting down with, but he 1439 01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:43.880 does it in a way by being like, oh, yeah, 1440 01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:46.039 everything you say is amazing and great. What oh I oh, 1441 01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:48.319 I have disagreements with you, disagreements with you, but like 1442 01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:50.760 I don't think you're an anti Semite blah blah blah. 1443 01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:53.600 And it's like also going after bb net yah who 1444 01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:55.880 liked that too, And I'm like, where where's your dad 1445 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:56.399 on this one? 1446 01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:00.119 Well, it's also it's so fun to only argue with 1447 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.600 the dumbest version of your opponents. That's true when you 1448 01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:04.520 put a wig on and try to join the WNBA. 1449 01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:07.199 It's also true when you say it's anti semitic, to 1450 01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:08.840 say that Bibinga and Yaho is evil? 1451 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:10.239 What are we doing it? 1452 01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:12.840 Well, actually, it's I'd say, why don't you have a 1453 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:16.520 maybe sort of interrogat a less stupid version of this 1454 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.199 and see how far you get there. Like Tucker Carlson 1455 01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:22.560 has had Holocaust deniers on his show. He has embraced 1456 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:26.239 a whole host of anti Semitic conspiracy theories. He has 1457 01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:30.960 been flirting with all kinds of anti Semitism. He has 1458 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:34.720 accused so many people of having dual loyalties, like, he 1459 01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:38.800 has engaged in a ton of like anti Semitic tropes, 1460 01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:42.760 he has used anti semitism, and how he makes his arguments, 1461 01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:45.600 whether you want to sit there and sort of be 1462 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:49.479 the arbiter of whether or not Tucker's an anti anti Semite. 1463 01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:52.920 For whatever reason, white people tend to be circumspect about 1464 01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:55.720 saying to other white people, you're not a racist, right, 1465 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:59.079 But somehow when it comes to anti Semitism, there's a 1466 01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:00.880 lot of people that aren't wish that'll allow to be 1467 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:04.760 Like I've checked and you're not and said, well okay, buddy, great, 1468 01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:07.119 Thanks thanks for letting us know. We were waiting for 1469 01:14:07.159 --> 01:14:09.640 the Hunter Biden in premature on Tucker Carlson to let 1470 01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:11.800 us know whether Tucker Carlson is an antisemit or not. 1471 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:12.960 And now there's one last thing. 1472 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:15.720 To worry about. Here's my thing about the whole Hunter 1473 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.560 Biden media tour on all of the various right wing 1474 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:22.760 hosts and all the different places he's going, I'm not like, 1475 01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:26.079 this is not a debate for me about like the platforming, 1476 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.039 And you can't go on someone's show that you that 1477 01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.800 you think is awful or whatever. It's like, if you're 1478 01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:36.920 going to do that, have a discussion that is about 1479 01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:40.560 the places where you disagree, have a little debate about it. 1480 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:42.880 You don't have to be screaming at each other if 1481 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:44.880 you don't want. But like, if you're just going to 1482 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.960 go there to be like, oh, you're actually awesome and 1483 01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.159 and then like wait for Tucker or Candace or whatever 1484 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:52.840 to be like and I'm sorry that I went after 1485 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:55.800 you so hard, Hunter, when you know your dad was president, 1486 01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:58.800 Like what is the point of that? Well, Like, who 1487 01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:02.199 gains from that other than you? That's my question, Like, 1488 01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.279 what what kind of good are you doing? Are you 1489 01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:09.279 introducing Tucker's audience to Hunter Biden's views on the situation 1490 01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:11.439 that are different than what Tucker Carlson believes in. Because 1491 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:13.319 if that's the case, that's one thing but that's not 1492 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:14.560 what he did there. That's not what he's doing with 1493 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:16.079 the canvas Owens. It's not me. He would be fucking 1494 01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:18.560 sat with Nick Funtes like, what are you doing? Man? 1495 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:20.920 Yeah? To what end is all of this? 1496 01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:21.640 Exactly? 1497 01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:24.880 To what end aside from like your attention? 1498 01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:27.439 Yes, right, that's the thing. And I like, again, I 1499 01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:29.399 don't want to assign motivations because maybe there is some 1500 01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:31.560 other motivation, but I don't know, I don't know what 1501 01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:35.279 the intention is other than sort of just because all 1502 01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:37.239 he keeps doing is just going in these shows and 1503 01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:38.520 pandering to the to the host. 1504 01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:40.960 It also is like there's a certain kind of sort 1505 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:43.119 of broken brain person on social media that's been just 1506 01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.079 really eating up the the Hunter Biden tour. They love it, 1507 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:46.479 they love it. 1508 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:47.159 It's like like. 1509 01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.800 He's some kort of sort of world weary truth teller, 1510 01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:52.760 you know, like he's trying like he like he's traveling 1511 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.520 around kind of telling these sort of forbidden truths, like 1512 01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:58.840 the forbidden truths being that like I guess Mike Johnson's 1513 01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:01.039 gay and Tucker Carlson loves Jews, Like that's what. 1514 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.600 I forgot about them. Mike Johnson, Yeah, all these Republicans 1515 01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:05.680 are in the closet thing. 1516 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:08.159 And that the closetocracy, he called it, is like the 1517 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:11.760 is actually the bigger threat than oligarchy, which is like, okay, man, 1518 01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:13.479 and just it's this weird. 1519 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:14.880 But I guarantee if you sat down in one of 1520 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:18.119 those interviews with one of the Republicans that he had 1521 01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:20.239 accused of being in the closet, he would be like, oh, 1522 01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:21.560 not you. I think you're great. 1523 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:23.159 No, I think you love We. 1524 01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:27.319 No, no, we. 1525 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.920 Definitely we disagree on a lot, but you're amazing. You're amazing. 1526 01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:35.039 It's just it's just very predictable what's going to happen 1527 01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:35.600 every table. 1528 01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:39.000 It's also just like and like, you know, I agree, 1529 01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:41.760 like actually like boy, politics sure seems not like no 1530 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:43.920 fun when you talk about hard issues and get into 1531 01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.239 the nuance of things and question Tucker Carlston about his 1532 01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:49.359 views and actually sort of interrogate some of these difficult 1533 01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:52.000 and thorny issues that we're facing, or why the right 1534 01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:55.079 has become so radical and conspiratorial and extreme, or what 1535 01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:58.399 actually drives politics to not work for people When you're 1536 01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:02.159 not saying it's because Josh Holly is secretly gay and 1537 01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:07.079 actually anti Semitism, isn't that isn't isn't connected to what's 1538 01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:08.960 happening on the right whatever you want to say, like, yeah, 1539 01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:12.039 it gets it's almost like becomes like work. You have 1540 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:13.520 to really focus on it and spend a lot of 1541 01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:15.520 time on it, and it sucks. I agree. 1542 01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:19.680 Anyway, Come on Pod Save America anytime, all right when 1543 01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:28.800 we come back, Montana House candidate Sam forsdag Podsave America 1544 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:30.560 is brought to you by Built. Here's a question, are 1545 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.199 you getting rewarded for paying your rent or mortgage right now? 1546 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.319 If the answer is no, you need to check out Built. 1547 01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:38.079 Becoming a Built member means earning points on every housing 1548 01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:40.479 payment no matter where you live. Built points can be 1549 01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:43.880 redeemed for flights, hotels, lyft rides, Amazon dot Com, purchases, 1550 01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:48.800 future housing payments and more. 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Use our link so they 1567 01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:41.079 know we sent you. 1568 01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:46.720 Sam Forsad, Welcome to the pod. 1569 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:48.000 Thank you so much for having me. 1570 01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:48.279 John. 1571 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:53.000 So, first of all, let's just give people some background 1572 01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:56.319 on who you are and what led you to run 1573 01:18:56.359 --> 01:19:00.399 for Congress. You're a smoke jumper and this is your 1574 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:02.800 first time running for office. Just tell me about yourself. 1575 01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:05.439 Yeah, it's my first time running for anything higher than 1576 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:08.439 vice president of my union local. Until seven months ago, 1577 01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:10.560 I worked as a smoke jumper for the US Forest Service. 1578 01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:12.880 So in the short version of that as we parachuting 1579 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:14.960 in a remote wildfires to put them out while they're 1580 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:18.079 still small. And I was a leader in my union's 1581 01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:20.199 local when all the dose cuts began, and what that 1582 01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:22.840 looked like in Montana is in large part you know, 1583 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:24.640 they said it was all about government efficiency, but the 1584 01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:26.720 people we lost for the lowest paid workers we've got 1585 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.439 in our agency. I mean, when they have fired three 1586 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.960 hundred and sixty Montana's just in the Forest Service, just 1587 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:34.920 on Valentine's Day two years ago, eighty five percent of 1588 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:37.079 them were GS six's or below, making nineteen seventy an 1589 01:19:37.079 --> 01:19:39.640 hour or less. In my agency, it was people, the 1590 01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:42.199 people who swing the tools and conduct the science to 1591 01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:43.840 maintain our public lands. And when I reached out to 1592 01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:46.720 Ryan Zanke, the Republican in the seat, who should be 1593 01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:48.640 the person you can reach out to when your members 1594 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:50.560 lives you're being turned upside down, I got crickets. So 1595 01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:52.560 I decided, if he's going to take my co worker's jobs, 1596 01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:53.359 I'm going to come take CA. 1597 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:57.279 Just so people understand, like how just to get when 1598 01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:01.640 Doge comes in and makes cuts to save money. Sure, 1599 01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:05.279 what happens when you're trying to say, put out a 1600 01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:08.119 fire quickly before it gets bigger, Like walk people through 1601 01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:11.840 what happens if, say, the equipment you used to rely 1602 01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:14.720 on is no longer available like day to day? What 1603 01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:16.399 did it mean for them to try to make government 1604 01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:17.039 more efficient? 1605 01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:19.640 Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty clear none of 1606 01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:22.680 this was about efficiency. It's about power and consolidating that 1607 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:24.720 power in the hands of a select few, including the 1608 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:26.159 righteous man in the world who happened to be at 1609 01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:28.199 the helmet this thing. But on the ground, what it 1610 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:30.399 looked like even last year, and I know it's worse 1611 01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:33.720 right now, is public safety was hampered. I mean I 1612 01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:37.119 jumped a fire in early July last year, a time 1613 01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:39.399 when usually you are not in a state of resource scarcity. 1614 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:42.800 Resources being the demand power and the people you need 1615 01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:44.079 to help fight a fire if you don't catch it 1616 01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:46.960 with those first eight jumpers on the ground and setting 1617 01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:49.079 up a task force, and I get told, Hey, I 1618 01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:51.720 know you're requesting three hotshot crews. They're none available in 1619 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.199 the region, so we're going to order six contract hand 1620 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.800 crews instead because they don't have the same capabilities. So 1621 01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:58.640 we're going to need more people and that's the only 1622 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:00.279 way we get any help to you. In the next 1623 01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:02.359 few days. What it means on the ground is we 1624 01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:04.640 all pay so much more for so much less, and 1625 01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:06.880 it takes longer to fight those fires. And I mean 1626 01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:08.640 those stories are endless. 1627 01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:11.079 And so you're making I know, you've been doing this 1628 01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:14.000 for with seven years and you're making nineteen dollars nineteen 1629 01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:17.000 seventy five an hour, seven years in And because of 1630 01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:19.920 these cuts, they have to bring in contractors in private 1631 01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:22.760 companies that are going to make much more money. Yeah, 1632 01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.239 and cost a lot more than what the kind of 1633 01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:27.399 the trained people would have done. 1634 01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:27.720 Yeah. 1635 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:30.640 Yeah, I mean the real goal here was cuts and 1636 01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:34.399 privatization to turn into another source of profit. You know. 1637 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:36.439 Another story is last year I jumped the fire outside 1638 01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:39.840 of Steamboat Springs in Colorado. And you know, as jumpers, 1639 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:42.279 most fires we catch with the first you know, four 1640 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:44.800 to eight twelve smoke jumpers on the ground. But when 1641 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:46.600 you don't, you step back and you set up a 1642 01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:48.760 large incident to make sure that you can save houses. 1643 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:50.960 We had hundreds of houses at risk in the immediate 1644 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:52.960 vicinity this fire. We ended up catching at around five 1645 01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:55.880 hundred acres and on the second day I put in 1646 01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:58.199 order for pumps and hoses, which is a pretty basic 1647 01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:01.000 fire fighting implement just to get water to the line. 1648 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:03.119 And they tell me, well, we used to have a 1649 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:05.079 gear cash here and steamboat last year, but they that 1650 01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:07.760 they shut that down with the cuts. So you're not 1651 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:09.399 going to get those pumps and hoses until the end 1652 01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.399 of next shift because we have to overnight airmail the 1653 01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:14.880 pump and hose kit from Denver to Steamboat and we 1654 01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:15.920 got to drive it up to the line and then 1655 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:17.000 we got to get it up to you. So you're 1656 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:18.399 not getting it till the end of the day tomorrow. 1657 01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:21.079 So not only is our firefighting hampered, I mean I 1658 01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:24.159 cannot imagine a more expensive way to deliver hundreds of 1659 01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:27.119 pounds of water pumps than that. 1660 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.800 So you're a smoke jumper and just that basically you're 1661 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:34.119 going to the places where cars can't reach, vehicles can't 1662 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:37.680 get to, to try to solve problems before they get bigger. 1663 01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:40.600 What does that look like if there's a smoke jumper 1664 01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.279 in Congress, Like, what do you see as the problem 1665 01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:47.680 you're trying to surge to that you view as a 1666 01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:49.640 failure to get enough attention? 1667 01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:53.319 Right now? I really smoke jumping like a lot of firefighting, 1668 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:55.960 right We're not so different from hotshot cruise or engine cruise. 1669 01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:00.319 You're training crisis management and whether it is the housings 1670 01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:02.239 that we're dealing with in western Montana, where we have 1671 01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:04.880 the least affordable housing market in the country. That's a 1672 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:07.079 surprise to a lot of people, I think Japana. Yeah, 1673 01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:10.800 I didn't realize that until learning about this. It's you know, 1674 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:13.560 you're making nineteen, say nineteen dollars an hour in an 1675 01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:16.159 area that we think of his rural, so must be cheaper. 1676 01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:18.319 But the average house is what like five hundred thousand 1677 01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:20.640 dollars nowadays. In Missoula it's just shy six hundred k. 1678 01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:22.800 You go to Bozeman, it's around nine hundred thousand dollars 1679 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:24.720 in a place where a decade ago is probably closer 1680 01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:28.039 to two hundred thousand. The Flathead Valley in northwest Montana 1681 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.960 not so different. So, I mean the crises are you know, 1682 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:33.520 it's in housing, it's in healthcare, it's in childcare, where 1683 01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:37.239 again medium wage is sixty thousand dollars in Montana, the 1684 01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:39.720 average cost of childcare is just shied nineteen k if 1685 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.000 you can make it through a waiting list. And these 1686 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:44.800 are all crises that so many people have felt like 1687 01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:47.920 our elected leaders at the federal level aren't dealing with 1688 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:52.159 any sense of urgency with And we had leadership nationally 1689 01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:54.000 not so long ago telling us the economy is better 1690 01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:54.680 than you think it is. 1691 01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:55.840 You know. 1692 01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:58.239 Meanwhile, yeah, me and a whole lot of my coworkers, Well, 1693 01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:00.359 at the end of four years of democratic control, I'm 1694 01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:02.960 running it's a Democrat. While yeah, we're making nineteen bucks 1695 01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:04.640 an hour and you're in a community where you'd be 1696 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:06.159 lucky to find a home for less than five hundred 1697 01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:08.880 thousand bucks. And life did not get better if you're 1698 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:10.960 in a situation like that over the preceding four years, 1699 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:13.640 and people felt like the folks in power at the 1700 01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:16.239 national level are not listening to us quite clearly. I mean, 1701 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:19.000 what better articulation of a disconnect than to tell people 1702 01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:21.079 things are better than you think it is, while homelessness 1703 01:24:21.159 --> 01:24:23.680 just doubled or tripled in every major city in Montana 1704 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:24.920 over the preceding five years. 1705 01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:28.680 What's interesting is when you say we've had leaders saying 1706 01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:30.880 the economy is better than you think it is. I 1707 01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:33.760 genuinely don't know if you're talking about Joe Biden or 1708 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:36.880 Donald Trump. One thing you said recently, is that the 1709 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:39.920 National Party did everything they could to make it hard 1710 01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:42.720 for a Democrat to win in places like Western Montana. 1711 01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:44.000 What do you mean by that? 1712 01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:46.079 What I mean is we had people at the national 1713 01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.880 level who quite literally were not listening to us, and 1714 01:24:48.920 --> 01:24:50.880 we have people who are dealing with a housing crisis 1715 01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:53.479 twenty miles away from what you and I were talking 1716 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:55.600 about earlier, places like the Yellowstone Club where you got 1717 01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:59.239 to be a multimillionaire just to be considered for membership, 1718 01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.439 and you go twenty miles up the canyon, you're in Bozeman. Well, 1719 01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:04.800 we have homelessness that's doubled or triple. You have people 1720 01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.600 living in the back of their cars or trailers, and 1721 01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:11.880 people who felt like, rightfully their problems were not being 1722 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:13.680 solved to the national level. And when that's the case, 1723 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.600 when things are that bad, process is not an adequate 1724 01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:20.439 excuse for not dealing with those things. And I want 1725 01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:22.800 to note I would offer the National Party that all 1726 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:24.159 they could to make it hard for Democrat to win. 1727 01:25:24.199 --> 01:25:26.720 The Democrat did just win the seat I'm running for. 1728 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:30.960 It's Montana's first congressional district. John Tester won Western Montana 1729 01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:32.920 while he lost the state last year by just shy 1730 01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:35.279 up a point, even in a tough environment like that, 1731 01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:38.079 So we know we can win this thing. And the 1732 01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:39.800 project here is to win in a meaningful way and 1733 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:41.600 rebuild the coalition we used to have when we could 1734 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.359 win statewide and when Democrats could conceive of ever having 1735 01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:46.199 a meaningful majority in the US Senate. 1736 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:49.640 You know, you've seen people talking about like abolishing the Senate. 1737 01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.359 It seems like for a lot of people it's easier 1738 01:25:52.359 --> 01:25:55.640 for them to wrap their minds around fundamentally changing the 1739 01:25:55.680 --> 01:26:01.159 Constitution than winning in places like Montana state wide. Again, 1740 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:07.760 even though John Tester represented Montana in the Senate. Max Bocchus, 1741 01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:12.479 what do you think right now? Is like five bunch 1742 01:26:12.520 --> 01:26:16.880 of Montana and asked a bunch of people. When you 1743 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:20.000 think of a Democrat, you think of blank, Like what 1744 01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:21.800 do they think when they hear about a Democrat? 1745 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:23.960 I think right now people think about John Tester, who 1746 01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:26.199 was our senator until a year and a half ago, 1747 01:26:26.359 --> 01:26:29.000 and not so long ago, Democrats had serious power in 1748 01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:31.119 place like Montana. I mean, two thousand and nine, we 1749 01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:33.199 had a fifty to fifty split in our state Senate. 1750 01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:35.600 We used to have it. In twenty sixteen, we had 1751 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:38.119 a Democratic governor, Steve Bullock, who was re elected on 1752 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:41.000 the same ticket as Donald Trump. Twenty eighteen, John Tester 1753 01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:44.520 re elected again in our state. Democrats have found a 1754 01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:47.199 win in Montana, to win even when Donald Trump is 1755 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.399 gaining power. I mean, eighteen thousand Montanna's voted for Donald 1756 01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:53.359 Trump and John Tester in twenty twenty four. Those are 1757 01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:56.920 the people who deserve a candidate who's actually going to 1758 01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.840 speak to our experience and talk about how government needs 1759 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:01.520 to be a thing that can make your life materially 1760 01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:03.640 better when the market is not meeting that need. And 1761 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.800 government has also been failing on that job for a 1762 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:09.199 long time. And I think clearly you look at what's 1763 01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:11.920 happening around the country or even in our race. Right 1764 01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:14.439 where I started this primary, nobody knew who the heck 1765 01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:17.319 I was in December of last year, and we had 1766 01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:20.359 a crowded, competitive primary that included a candidate who was 1767 01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:23.399 the Democratic nominee for governor last year, people who'd been 1768 01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:26.319 running for a year. And what we saw is that 1769 01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:29.960 people are really hungry for candidates or for just anybody 1770 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.319 who can actually reflect our experience and say, like, it's 1771 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:34.880 not just your problem. The fact that people can't afford 1772 01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:36.880 a house. It's not just your problem that when your 1773 01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:39.239 car makes a funny noise, well that might mean you 1774 01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:41.239 can't afford rent next month. Because I've lived it too. 1775 01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:43.479 It is our problem. And of course people are going 1776 01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.600 to address problems with more urgency if you've lived them. 1777 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:47.920 How much do you think the way like so the 1778 01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:51.000 way Democrats we have Obviously there's like a huge problem 1779 01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:53.119 with like the Democratic brand. How much of that do 1780 01:27:53.159 --> 01:27:58.560 you ascribe to, say, like right wing media of hammering people, 1781 01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:01.159 kind of pulling the most extreme versions of a Democrat. 1782 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:02.840 And then how much you actually laid at the feet 1783 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:04.720 of the Democrats themselves. 1784 01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:07.720 John I would say, we hold these truths to be 1785 01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:11.239 self evident. The Democratic Party messed up pretty damn bad, 1786 01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:13.880 and they got us into this situation. We had four 1787 01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:18.239 years of power. Yeah, people were facing massive issues. I 1788 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:20.760 mean between fire seasons, I helped put together the Montana 1789 01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:23.680 Coalition to solve homelessness. We pulled a dozen homeless shelters 1790 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:26.760 together from around the state and we ended up getting 1791 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:29.439 some legislation passed in a Republican supermajority, the first one 1792 01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:31.960 in state history. And the reason that was able to 1793 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:35.119 happen is because the problems were so damn bad. I mean, 1794 01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:38.560 quite literally, I'm not exaggerating. We have tripled the number 1795 01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:40.600 of on house people in a place like Montana. We're 1796 01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:42.960 in the northern Rockies. It is not a hospitable place 1797 01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.399 to be living on the streets. People die every year. 1798 01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:47.760 And I mean if you were working two or three 1799 01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:49.880 jobs at a time, like I was the entire time 1800 01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:52.600 I was going to college and still graduating with debt, 1801 01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:55.439 and you look up and people are telling you the 1802 01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:58.119 institutions they just need tweaked a little bit. That does 1803 01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:01.359 not inspire faith. Yeah, that doesn't give anyone a reason 1804 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.119 to be hopeful or to engage with politics. And so 1805 01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:04.880 what happened. A lot of young people did not engage 1806 01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:06.920 with politics last year. They did not turn out and vote, 1807 01:29:07.319 --> 01:29:09.319 and we are now quite literally not the party of 1808 01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:12.479 working people. Most working people, most folks making under a 1809 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:16.039 hundred cages voted for Republicans or shoot unions. Right, I 1810 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:18.560 come from a union background. We have the Gibraltar of 1811 01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:22.359 unionism in Montana. It's but most incredible town you can 1812 01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:25.840 go to Western Montana. Well half a union members voted 1813 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:27.560 for Republicans last year and a lot of young people 1814 01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:29.560 didn't turn out. Those are all the people that are 1815 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:31.199 the base of the Democratic Party I want to be 1816 01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:33.399 a part of. And if we can't give those people 1817 01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:36.880 a reason to actually engage, and we can't show them 1818 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:38.439 that there's a place in this party for them, not 1819 01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:40.079 just for the people who are rich enough to make 1820 01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:42.640 it through these processes that we create for federal candidates, 1821 01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:45.640 well then we don't deserve their support. So let's win 1822 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:46.079 it back. 1823 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:50.199 So Joe Biden, he's this, I think, longtime centrist figure. 1824 01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:53.920 He wins in twenty twenty, and he actually tries to 1825 01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:56.800 bring in Bernie, he brings in Elizabeth Warren, he puts 1826 01:29:56.800 --> 01:30:00.399 in a trustbuster at the FTC. He governs much further 1827 01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:03.000 the left anybody would have expected Joe Biden to govern, 1828 01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:04.760 still not as far as some people would have wanted 1829 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:09.800 him to go. Has some success, and Democrats are largely punished, 1830 01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:14.399 in part because of all the obstacles like the filibuster 1831 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:16.840 in the Senate, the Supreme Court, like Democrats are in 1832 01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:20.920 some ways punished because he's unable to fully achieve his agenda. 1833 01:30:21.199 --> 01:30:24.279 And then they and then who wins the Republicans who 1834 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:30.039 are then immediately deregulate past massive tax cuts to the rich, 1835 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:34.039 overturn put on judges to overturn row and environmental and 1836 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:35.000 union regulations. 1837 01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:35.600 I got it all. 1838 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:39.560 And so so look, when you're talking to people in 1839 01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:44.000 your union that that voted for Zinky or voted for Trump, like, 1840 01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:46.600 how how do you how do you talk about this? 1841 01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:48.119 Like what what's your argument? 1842 01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:51.600 My argument is that I understand why a lot of people, 1843 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.640 like my coworkers and union members, some of them voted 1844 01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:56.800 for the schlubs who were tearing all this down all 1845 01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:00.359 around us. And man, does it piss me off somebody 1846 01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:03.000 who spent a year and a half working with members 1847 01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:06.079 who I mean? I remember Kara who lost her job 1848 01:31:06.079 --> 01:31:08.000 in one day, with no cause, no notice, fifteen years 1849 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:10.319 into a federal service because she just happened to have 1850 01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:12.760 taken a lateral transfer that year to do more remote 1851 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:15.600 work during chemotherapy. You know, members are getting texts in 1852 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:17.600 line at the airport to go to their grandmother's funerals 1853 01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:19.279 saying they lost their job. They were only making sixteen 1854 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:21.760 bucks an hour at in the first place. But you 1855 01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:24.199 know what, I also work with a lot of people who, well, 1856 01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:27.439 if you're making sixteen bucks an hour, and you're working 1857 01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:29.880 for the federal government, and housing costs have just doubled 1858 01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:31.800 or tripled in your community and you can't conceive of 1859 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:34.600 ever owning a home. Well, your life just got worse. 1860 01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:37.039 And as far as I'm concerned, there are two primary 1861 01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:39.479 roles for the federal government. First and foremost, it's to 1862 01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:41.760 protect your constitutional freedoms right a lot of those in 1863 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:43.920 the Bill of Rights of Freedoms from the government. Second, 1864 01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:46.159 it's to make sure you can meet your basic material 1865 01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:49.520 needs when the market is not meeting them, and the 1866 01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:51.840 market was meeting them even worse after four years of 1867 01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:54.359 democratic control. And you know what, if you are working 1868 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:56.399 two or three jobs at a time, or if you're 1869 01:31:56.399 --> 01:31:58.239 working a thousand hours of overtime like I had to 1870 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:01.680 just to scrimp buy through a winter on my mortgage 1871 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:04.560 for a nine hundred eighty square foot home, you might 1872 01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:07.359 not have the time to follow the intricacies of policymaking 1873 01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:09.960 or politics. You shouldn't have to to be able to 1874 01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:11.920 judge the people in power on what sort of results 1875 01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:15.359 they delivered for you. And so I would just say, like, 1876 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:17.399 the people we need to win back are a lot 1877 01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:19.079 of the people who got these folks elected. It's a 1878 01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:21.439 lot of working people, there's a lot of union members, 1879 01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:23.960 and it's folks. So you don't start a conversation with 1880 01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:27.680 by telling them that they're wrong, because it frustrates me 1881 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:29.840 so much to hear people what I hear off and 1882 01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:31.920 say like, well do they see Like why are people 1883 01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:34.119 voting outside of their own their own self interest, their 1884 01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:36.560 own material self interest. It's not more in your interest 1885 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:38.000 to vote for somebody who's going to make your life 1886 01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:39.399 worse a little slower than the other guy. 1887 01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:42.439 Yeah, Also, don't tell people what their interests are. Presumably, 1888 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:46.279 So there's also been a part of this debate about 1889 01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:49.439 how did the Democratic Party lose the men? What happened 1890 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:51.800 to the men and the working class? And a lot 1891 01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:52.680 of people tend to get. 1892 01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:54.079 Better place to address than a podcast student. 1893 01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:56.720 Yeah, two guys in a podcast studio. This is where 1894 01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.680 we're supposed to solve it all. But you know, I 1895 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.279 think Ester has talked about wokeness as being part of this. 1896 01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:05.119 You said something interesting the other day, which is just 1897 01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:08.520 that basically, if you have a member of Congress who's 1898 01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.800 worth millions of dollars trying to be a tribune for 1899 01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:14.520 the working class, that person may feel a little bit 1900 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:21.199 more afraid to say pushback on trans issues or have 1901 01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:23.840 a position that might not have a majority, but actually 1902 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:25.439 they want to be supportive of trans people. 1903 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:27.359 How do you think about this? 1904 01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:30.359 What do you think that the social issues are part 1905 01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:33.760 of democrats problems? Like Bernie has Because he's such a 1906 01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:36.319 kind of people understand what Bernie stands for. He's had, 1907 01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:38.079 on the other hand, more room to say, you know what, 1908 01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:40.399 I don't think we should defund the police, or we 1909 01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:41.560 do need to have a strong boarder. 1910 01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:43.720 I think a lot of it comes back to credibility. 1911 01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:46.439 And I had this fascinating split screen for the last 1912 01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:49.239 eight years of my life where I'm doing wild and 1913 01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:51.359 fire in the summers six to nine months out of 1914 01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:53.760 the year, and then I was doing organizing an advocacy 1915 01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:56.319 in the winters. Between that, I worked for the coalition 1916 01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:58.760 at Homos Shelters, I mentioned for the State Library Association, 1917 01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:03.800 even for the ACLU, and I well, when I would 1918 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:05.119 be in the middle of fire season, there's not a 1919 01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:06.880 lot of other jumpers who go do policy work, and 1920 01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:08.720 so you bet your tell. Everybody wants to ask me 1921 01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:10.800 about whatever they might have seen on the news. Maybe 1922 01:34:10.840 --> 01:34:12.920 it was on Fox news and if we got time 1923 01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:15.479 in between digging line or cutting line, you know, I 1924 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:17.399 tell them, you know that story. Well, here are the 1925 01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:19.000 people that I know in the winters who are just 1926 01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:21.199 trying to live their life with dignity without government telling 1927 01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:24.079 them how to do it. And I think that that's 1928 01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:25.640 a pizza that that has been lost. And I'll tell 1929 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:27.239 them what else I saw when I'm at the state 1930 01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:31.720 legislature is well, we just saw in twenty seventeen deep 1931 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:33.800 cuts and a dismantling of our mental health services in 1932 01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:36.079 the state when we had a budget shortfall. And over 1933 01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:37.960 the following eight years when we had surpluses, did they 1934 01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:41.399 reinvest in all those basic public health care services that 1935 01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:43.800 they cut. No, they invested in tax cuts to cut 1936 01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:45.800 the top income tax bracket year after year after year. 1937 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:47.479 And that's the same thing we see at the federal level. 1938 01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:50.359 And it's what it is is it is big brother 1939 01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:52.119 not watching you because they don't need to now even 1940 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:54.199 though they can. They're singing and dancing. Well, they pick 1941 01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:55.640 all of our pockets as working people. And by the 1942 01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:58.079 end of that conversation, a lot of my coworkers are 1943 01:34:58.079 --> 01:34:59.680 prett passed. They weren't pissed about what they saw on 1944 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:01.800 the news. They're pissed about the fact that that is 1945 01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:04.439 why I am poorer, and that is why I am 1946 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:05.960 poorer in a world where we just meanted the first 1947 01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:08.279 human trillionaire. That's something that should make us angry. And 1948 01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:11.880 that's the sort of grievance of all the festering, misdirected grievances. 1949 01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:13.880 That kind of economic grievance is what governments supposed to 1950 01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:14.760 be here to help address. 1951 01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:18.359 So let's talk about your opponent. Zinki won this race 1952 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:21.520 most recently by eight you said, John Tester one more 1953 01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:24.760 votes there even as he wasn't able to eke out 1954 01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:28.159 a victory. It's very very close right now. What is 1955 01:35:28.199 --> 01:35:30.399 the case you're trying to make in the closing days 1956 01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:34.199 to try to get more people to understand why your opponent, 1957 01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:38.079 just the sort of trump back talk radio host, is 1958 01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:40.439 not exactly what Montana needs. 1959 01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:44.039 Yeah, the contrast here could not be any better if 1960 01:35:44.039 --> 01:35:46.439 you ask me. I mean, yeah, the fellow I'm running against, 1961 01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:48.920 he was the handpicked successor for Ryanzink. You dropped out 1962 01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:51.560 of this race about four months ago in good riddance, 1963 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:53.520 and he dropped out because he saw it wasn't gonna 1964 01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:56.439 be easy for him after a whole year spent gutting 1965 01:35:56.439 --> 01:35:59.119 basic public services that people like me might have depended 1966 01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:01.239 on as a kid, and his belly was full thanks 1967 01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:03.960 to food stamps sometimes cutting our public lands where if 1968 01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:06.279 there's a consensus issue in Montana, it's our public lands. 1969 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:08.840 And so what did he do? He dropped out with 1970 01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:12.000 forty eight hours until the filing deadline and immediately endorsed 1971 01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:14.840 this spell. Aaron Flint, who's a far right talk radio host. 1972 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:16.680 He spent the last ten years in an air conditioned 1973 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.439 recording studio, spewing hate and hot air and nothing against 1974 01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:20.560 their conditions. What's wrong with it? 1975 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:21.960 I don't think. I think you're sort of losing the 1976 01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:23.720 up over. There's nothing you do a lot of good 1977 01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:26.399 work in an air condition recording studio. Sorry, continued well. 1978 01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:28.079 And we got the guy is a political pundit, and 1979 01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:31.520 we have plenty of pundits and political puppets in Washington 1980 01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:33.960 right now. I would offer there's no dearth of those. 1981 01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:35.960 We got enough of them. What we do have a 1982 01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:38.520 lack of is working people who know what it's like 1983 01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:40.319 to be working three jobs at a time and still 1984 01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:42.520 paying your rent on a credit card. I know what 1985 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:44.159 that's like. People who actually know what it's like to 1986 01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:46.119 have your belly full because of food stamps or thanks 1987 01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:48.920 to food stamps when your parent falls on a hard time, 1988 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.960 and like people who don't have that perspective are going 1989 01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:54.840 to perhaps fight with a little bit less urgency when 1990 01:36:55.159 --> 01:36:58.319 SNAP benefits get used as leverage during a government shutdown 1991 01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:00.560 like they did this last time around, when half of 1992 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:02.600 my members were furloughed at the end of those six weeks, 1993 01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:03.760 and a lot of them are showing up at local 1994 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:06.479 food banks that are also having occur tail food benefits 1995 01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:09.920 because some of that comes from SNAP. It just feels 1996 01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:11.880 like across the board there has truly been a lack 1997 01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:14.520 of urgency. When we had the political will to pass 1998 01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:17.439 really big important legislation like you mentioned, like the IRA 1999 01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:21.199 right well, a whole lot of that money never actually 2000 01:37:21.239 --> 01:37:24.279 got out the door, and people are hurting right now. 2001 01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.439 I mean, if you were on the edge of not 2002 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:28.520 having your home, like Kathy, whose house I was at. 2003 01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:31.079 Kathy lives a mile from my house. She's in now 2004 01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:33.239 one of four thousand mobile home lots that are owned 2005 01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:35.079 by out of state private equity firms in the state 2006 01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:37.760 of Montana. And Kathy's lot rent has gone from three 2007 01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:39.800 hundred and seventy bucks a month to over eight hundred dollars. 2008 01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:43.560 Kathy doesn't have ten years to wait for all these 2009 01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:46.000 resources to propagate through the system and for half of 2010 01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:48.359 them to go to large corporations so that maybe her 2011 01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:50.960 life gets better. Like, Kathy needs help right now, and 2012 01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:53.119 it feels like we did not deliver that help to 2013 01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:56.319 people who really desperately needed it. And well what happens 2014 01:37:56.399 --> 01:37:58.359 The party out of power gets elected and it turns 2015 01:37:58.359 --> 01:37:59.800 into something really scary and dangerous. 2016 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:03.399 There's also a big fight in Montana now over data centers. 2017 01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:05.840 There's a lot of there's a lot of outside money. 2018 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:08.920 They see Montana. It's cool, there's a lot of land, 2019 01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:12.680 you can build a lot of big facilities. Yeah, where 2020 01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:16.800 are you on building data centers in Montana? And how 2021 01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:19.640 does that contrast with the Republicans? 2022 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:22.359 Yeah, well, my opponent got the better part of a 2023 01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:26.159 million dollars from American Mission, one of Open AI's super 2024 01:38:26.239 --> 01:38:28.159 packs just in the month of May to get him 2025 01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:29.840 through his primary, even though they tried to make sure 2026 01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:32.479 no one could run against the guy. So what we're 2027 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:35.359 up against is a pretty terrifying amount of money that 2028 01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:37.239 this industry is planning to leverage in this election. I 2029 01:38:37.239 --> 01:38:39.560 think one hundred and fifty million they're planning to drop 2030 01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:43.680 on elections just this year. For us, well, we have 2031 01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:45.840 a proposed center that is in theory going to use 2032 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:48.680 more electricity than every residential home in the state of Montana. 2033 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:50.680 And our power rates have already gone up thirty or 2034 01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:53.359 forty percent in the last three years. So what I 2035 01:38:53.399 --> 01:38:55.720 would offer is we need to pass the damn law 2036 01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:57.520 at the federal level saying they can't build these things 2037 01:38:57.640 --> 01:38:59.520 until unless they show that they're going to provide all 2038 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.079 their own palwerce doesn't have to be on site, off sites. 2039 01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:04.279 Even better, put power on the grid. We need it, 2040 01:39:04.319 --> 01:39:07.560 ideally carbon neutral power, making sure that they're not going 2041 01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:09.439 to dirty our air and water. I mean, you see 2042 01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:12.159 these terrifying videos of dirty water. Well, there are more 2043 01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:14.600 water efficient cooling systems that cost a little bit more, 2044 01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:16.600 but this industry they can afford it. They're planned to 2045 01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:18.680 spend four trillion bucks on data set development in the 2046 01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:21.000 next seven years. Right now, we have none of that. 2047 01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:23.000 All we have is an executive order trying to preempt 2048 01:39:23.039 --> 01:39:26.600 state regulations on AI and where I am too. I'm 2049 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:30.479 coming at this. I'm also a relatively young candidate. I 2050 01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:33.760 think that this technology is perhaps the biggest existential threat 2051 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:37.000 that we've got as a country. I mean, we've read 2052 01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:38.880 the sci fi novel before. We're all living in it 2053 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:42.600 right now. This is if their promises are true, Well, 2054 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:44.720 this is a technology that could it could cure cancer 2055 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:47.199 or it could kill all of humanity, and we in. 2056 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:49.239 It's a big delta there, It's a big difference. 2057 01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:51.319 Yeah, and right now it seems like we're only using 2058 01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:52.760 it for all the bad stuff. And what in the 2059 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:55.479 last two weeks you're probably tracking, we had two instances 2060 01:39:55.479 --> 01:39:58.239 of these models breaking out of the system and hacking 2061 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:00.760 into other outfits, and they're we're at a full scale 2062 01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:03.680 cyber attack from an aisystem and nobody knows. There's no 2063 01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:07.479 oversight or regulation of this right now functionally speaking. And 2064 01:40:07.880 --> 01:40:09.359 if we can't get our arms around it and have 2065 01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:12.600 real federal oversight and make it so we're ready to 2066 01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:14.039 pull the plug on this thing if it poses a 2067 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:17.319 threat to the future of our children in our country, like, 2068 01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:18.760 we're going to be in a tough spot. 2069 01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:23.359 One other issue that's been roiling in Montana is because 2070 01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:25.319 in part for what all the reasons you're saying, the 2071 01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:30.119 Democratic brand can be pretty toxic. You have an independent 2072 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:32.079 that has a lot of backing from This is the 2073 01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:32.960 first I've heard about them. 2074 01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:33.880 First've heard of it. 2075 01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:36.920 Now, So for people that don't know about it, Basically, 2076 01:40:38.119 --> 01:40:40.319 there is an independent that's running with the backing of 2077 01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:42.960 a lot of Democratic politicians. Is also a Democratic candidate 2078 01:40:43.039 --> 01:40:45.840 on the ballot. Today, as we're recording, this is the 2079 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:48.760 last day for that Democratic candidate to drop out so 2080 01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:54.079 that everyone can coalesce around the independent candidate. Do you 2081 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:56.119 believe that Bankman should. 2082 01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:58.880 Drop out right now? Yeah, today's the deadline. I think 2083 01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:00.960 they just had a press conference last couple hours. I 2084 01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:03.000 think it's the third or fourth and last week between 2085 01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:05.840 the two of them. Yeah, each one announcing I'm still running. 2086 01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:06.239 IM still run. 2087 01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:07.279 Yeah, they're both still running. 2088 01:41:07.319 --> 01:41:08.800 Yeah, still here. Yeah. 2089 01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:11.359 It's an interesting like game theory problem because they're like, 2090 01:41:11.399 --> 01:41:13.279 there's been a brinkmanship, But what do you want to have? 2091 01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:15.760 It's what do you want to have happened before midnight today? 2092 01:41:16.079 --> 01:41:17.520 What I want is to make sure Kurt all Me, 2093 01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:19.439 who's the Republican running in that race, is not our 2094 01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:22.840 next senator. And I will be entirely honest, I'm so 2095 01:41:23.079 --> 01:41:25.359 deeply frustrated with the entirety of how this thing is 2096 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.199 played out. Yeah, I mean the probably north eight million 2097 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:32.239 dollars has been sent to spent to manufacture this situation 2098 01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:34.359 we're in right now, where neither candidate's going to have 2099 01:41:34.359 --> 01:41:36.359 a chance of winning against the Republican as long as 2100 01:41:36.399 --> 01:41:39.880 they're both in this race. That's obscene. Yeah, like that 2101 01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:42.880 is actually disgusting. We have all, whichever angle you're looking 2102 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.359 at this from, we've all swallowed a spider to kill 2103 01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:48.760 a fly. And I mean eight million dollars again, that 2104 01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:51.039 is pearls before swine in a state where people are 2105 01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:52.880 being pushed out onto the streets because they can't afford 2106 01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:55.439 the basics at this point of coin flip would be 2107 01:41:55.439 --> 01:41:56.680 better than what they got going right now. And what 2108 01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:58.359 I've been telling the both of them is that I 2109 01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:00.439 really hope that they will both sit down in person 2110 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:02.520 in a room and sort this out, because a lot 2111 01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:04.920 of how we got here as a country is a 2112 01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:06.800 lot of our national leaders were putting their own ego 2113 01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:10.239 before the good of the country, and it feels like 2114 01:42:10.279 --> 01:42:12.720 nothing changes, and well, the reality is nothing changes unless 2115 01:42:12.760 --> 01:42:13.760 we go change it ourselves. 2116 01:42:13.880 --> 01:42:16.319 Yeah, it seems like god, a coin flip would work. 2117 01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:18.079 Can we just do that, wouldn't? I mean, like, basically, 2118 01:42:18.079 --> 01:42:20.520 after you we want one candidate to go up against 2119 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:23.159 the Republican and one of them would have to drop out, 2120 01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:24.199 but not everyone. 2121 01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:24.319 Wants to do it. 2122 01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:25.279 It's basically where we're at. 2123 01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:26.640 And it sounds like. 2124 01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:29.039 You would, you'd you just want one of them to 2125 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:30.199 drop out and by the. 2126 01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:31.840 End of the day, Yeah, I would better than the 2127 01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:33.640 situation we're in, this this standoff. 2128 01:42:34.119 --> 01:42:34.239 Uh. 2129 01:42:34.640 --> 01:42:38.000 And but I will tell you too that center race. Uh, 2130 01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:40.560 you know, I have faith in them to sort this 2131 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:43.279 out and to do the exercise the basic skills that 2132 01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:45.920 my dad, who's the kindergarten teachers teaching his students. Right, Oh, 2133 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:49.039 sit down, look at each other, have a conversation. But 2134 01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:51.600 if they whether or not they do that. Western Montana, 2135 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:53.640 Montana's first is where we have a chance to win. Yeah, 2136 01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:55.680 this is the place a Democrat just won by just 2137 01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:59.840 by almost one percent. And I think there's a real 2138 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:03.159 time temptation to just spend all your time talking about whatever. Yeah, 2139 01:43:03.239 --> 01:43:05.800 the if it bleeds, it reads, you know, wherever the 2140 01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:08.000 controversy is. But this is a place where we just 2141 01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:10.439 had to turn out in the Democratic primary up seventeen percent. 2142 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:13.520 It was down for on the Republican side, Like this 2143 01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:15.439 is a place where we can have a foothold in 2144 01:43:15.479 --> 01:43:17.960 a place like western Montana or the Rocky Mountain West 2145 01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:20.720 or rural America, something that Democrats don't really have right now. 2146 01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:24.079 So yeah, we're spending all our time talking about that. 2147 01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:26.800 And whichever way that race goes, I think both of 2148 01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:28.039 those are very different kinds of candidates. 2149 01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:29.880 Then, yeah, and whatever happens by the end of the day, 2150 01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:31.640 that's what will happen. And then we have to focus 2151 01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:33.520 on doing whatever we can to win your seat and 2152 01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:34.479 the Senate race. 2153 01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:36.359 And people can go to Sam Fromontana dot com if 2154 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:37.039 they want to help out. 2155 01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:38.560 They can go to Sam for Montana if they want 2156 01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:40.640 to help out. And you're gonna have a lot of 2157 01:43:40.640 --> 01:43:43.600 money coming up against you, and in a state like Montana, 2158 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:46.479 like you know, a million dollars dropping that race can 2159 01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:50.840 have a huge, huge impact. What are people that what 2160 01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:55.359 did Democrats not understand about Mentata, Like you forget even 2161 01:43:55.399 --> 01:43:58.399 just the politics just as a place, what people care about. 2162 01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:02.359 I think it's a lot of kind of assumptions people 2163 01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:05.600 make about like rural voters, how they view the environment, 2164 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:07.760 how they view public lands, Like what do people miss? 2165 01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:12.399 I mean, our public lands are a way of life truly. 2166 01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:15.039 I mean you're protecting your gun rights and protecting your 2167 01:44:15.039 --> 01:44:16.760 public lands. Those are the two consensus issues in a 2168 01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:20.319 place like Montana, because well, that's what people depend on. 2169 01:44:20.359 --> 01:44:22.600 To keep your freezer full. If you go to your 2170 01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:25.119 public lands and use them for hunting, that is how 2171 01:44:25.159 --> 01:44:28.079 people find sustenance. That's what people depend on. If you 2172 01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:31.119 can squeeze in a Sunday afternoon between your three shifts 2173 01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:33.239 just to go hike in or skiing, like, that's what 2174 01:44:33.319 --> 01:44:36.640 makes it worth living. And that is not a Democrat 2175 01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:38.880 or Republican issue. I mean part of what pushed me 2176 01:44:38.920 --> 01:44:40.600 into this race in November, when I was thinking about 2177 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:43.520 is it worth leaving behind smoke jumping, which is the 2178 01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:45.760 only retirement, the only healthcare I had, the only career. 2179 01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:48.840 I really had to run for this office because whatever 2180 01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:51.199 the administration tells me, the Hatch Act exists, and you 2181 01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:54.000 cannot run for public office federal employee. I got a 2182 01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:56.880 mailer from Ryan Zinkey saying that he's the Teddy Roosevelt 2183 01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:59.720 of public lands. A year into all of these these 2184 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:02.159 where my members' lives are being turned upside down, or 2185 01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:05.399 we're down twenty percent, we've lost two thousand red carded firefighters. 2186 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:07.720 We're all seeing what the consequences of those are right now, 2187 01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:10.079 where we got smoke choke skies in Montana and less 2188 01:45:10.079 --> 01:45:12.800 people to fight all those fires. And he's sending out 2189 01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:14.680 a mailer with his little Teddy Roosevelt had on and 2190 01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:17.800 his boy scout outfit. Everybody claims they're for public lands, 2191 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:19.760 but it's a lot like these other issues, Like public 2192 01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:21.159 lands aren't just lines on the map. There are a 2193 01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:23.640 lot of people, most of them not making a lot 2194 01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:25.840 of money, who work their tails off to make sure 2195 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:27.199 you can make it up a road to the trailhead 2196 01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:30.159 or up a trail to access your forest. And a 2197 01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:33.439 lot of those people are core to the rural economies. 2198 01:45:33.760 --> 01:45:35.479 If you go down to Hamilton, well you got Rocky 2199 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:38.119 Mountain Labs, who's lost thirty or forty employees so far, 2200 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:42.680 you have forest service outposts. These are a core part 2201 01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:44.720 of our community in our economy, and we all just 2202 01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:47.800 got gutted. And so people are pissed, and they should 2203 01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:51.600 be pissed, but being pissed is not enough. And you 2204 01:45:51.680 --> 01:45:53.359 know when people say, well, are your friends who might 2205 01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:55.279 have voted for these guys ready to see they were wrong, 2206 01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:57.079 That's not what it is. I think right now people 2207 01:45:57.119 --> 01:45:58.880 are just angry at both parties because you're paying for 2208 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:01.920 twenty a gallon at the pump for unleaded and we're 2209 01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:04.479 in another war that this guy started, this time that 2210 01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:07.119 none of us wanted, and we're spending billions overseas and 2211 01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:09.119 all of our lives are worse. So we got to 2212 01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:12.039 move past being pissed and being angry and talk about 2213 01:46:12.039 --> 01:46:14.960 reimagining a lot of the programs that Montana's helped pass, 2214 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:17.439 Like Mike Mansfield was the leader of the US Senate 2215 01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:21.079 from Montana who ushered through the Great Society and create 2216 01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:24.000 helped create Medicare and Medicaid and NPR and PBS, and 2217 01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:25.720 these are all the things that are under attact. They're 2218 01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:27.800 all the things we're called on to reimagine and expand 2219 01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:30.079 so people can meet their basic needs and have time 2220 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:33.079 for the kind of empathy and compassion that your neighbor deserves. 2221 01:46:33.520 --> 01:46:36.199 Sam, I am forty three. I'm about to turn forty four. 2222 01:46:36.479 --> 01:46:37.359 Your skill looks great. 2223 01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:40.119 I skim it fantastic. Thank you for saying that. Could 2224 01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:45.039 I be a smoke jumper? How athleticism? How much is required? 2225 01:46:45.560 --> 01:46:46.560 Am I passed my prime? 2226 01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:48.960 Is it possible? You know? I fell a rookie at 2227 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:52.239 forty seven? A few Wow, I'm looking at you. I 2228 01:46:52.279 --> 01:46:55.119 mean you look pretty arn fit just from across the microphone. 2229 01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:58.159 But No, what's required is it's a six week rookie 2230 01:46:58.159 --> 01:47:00.560 training program. Most people got five or six years, five 2231 01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:02.880 to ten years of fire experience before you get picked up, 2232 01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:05.239 and about forty percent of people make it through. So 2233 01:47:05.319 --> 01:47:08.159 it's six weeks of getting the hell beat out of 2234 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:11.600 you and PT and learning how to pilot a parachute. 2235 01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:13.079 I want to know what a parachute. 2236 01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:13.800 No, I can't do it. 2237 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:16.119 I've I forgot about the jumping part. I want to 2238 01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:18.319 know what the like physical I would like to know 2239 01:47:18.359 --> 01:47:21.319 what those like. What is like the physical requirements that 2240 01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:23.600 I would like to do a smoke jumper training? Yeah, 2241 01:47:23.640 --> 01:47:25.199 and maybe I don't think I can jump out of 2242 01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:27.239 a plane. I actually struggle from a high diving board 2243 01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:28.960 to jump into a pool. So I think that's like 2244 01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:31.560 probably not for me, but maybe I could do the training. 2245 01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:34.039 Sam forest Ac, thank you so much. I keep forgetting 2246 01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:35.319 the website. What's the website again? 2247 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:37.760 The website is Samfromontana dot com or you can find 2248 01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:40.439 us on socials. It's just at Sam forest Egg across platforms, 2249 01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:41.760 and I need all the help I can get. It 2250 01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:43.920 is a rare thing to see a working person in 2251 01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:47.560 the halls of power, and I need. If everyone pulls 2252 01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:49.039 together and helps out, well, we can actually make this 2253 01:47:49.079 --> 01:47:50.840 happen and we can start changing the country, our country 2254 01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:53.000 for the better. Thank you so much, Thank you John. 2255 01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:55.479 That's our shoue for today. Thanks to Sam forstad for 2256 01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:57.199 coming on. Dan and I will be back with a 2257 01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:00.439 new show on Friday. Potive America is a Crioked media production. 2258 01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:03.319 Our show is produced by Austin Fisher, Saul Ruben, McKenna Roberts, 2259 01:48:03.359 --> 01:48:06.119 and Farris Afari, with Ree Churlin, Elijah Cone and Adrian Hill. 2260 01:48:06.239 --> 01:48:08.720 Our team includes Matt de Groate, Ben Hefcote, Jordan Cantor, 2261 01:48:08.760 --> 01:48:11.680 Charlotte Landis Krol pel Avive, David Toles, Mia Kelman, Ryan Young, 2262 01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:13.960 and Naomi Single. Our staff is probably unionized with the 2263 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:15.239 Writers Guild of America East