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Speaker 3: Today we're going to talk about that major league and
Speaker 3: sports and American institution known as Nolan Ryan. Our special
Speaker 3: guest is Tim Brown, who wrote in a fabulous toe
Speaker 3: about Nolan Ryan simply called Nolan the singular life of
Speaker 3: an American original. And you know, Nolan Ryan, Folks was
Speaker 3: a hero to two of America's biggest institutions, Texas and
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball. He played longer, threw harder, and amassed
Speaker 3: more pitching records fifty three to be exact than anyone
Speaker 3: before or since. And as he did, Nolan Ryan came
Speaker 3: to represent what was exceptional exceptional about a game when
Speaker 3: it was still America's pastime. You know, veteran baseball journalist
Speaker 3: New York Times bestselling author Tim Brown who's here today.
Speaker 3: He provides a definitive biography in his book Nolan, and
Speaker 3: we're going to talk all about that and really what
Speaker 3: made Ryan such a dominant and feared pitcher and what
Speaker 3: lessons can we learn from his amazing career and life.
Speaker 3: What you don't have today is you don't have the
Speaker 3: pictures throwing the amount of innings and the amount of
Speaker 3: strikeouts that Ryan did back then. You've got some great
Speaker 3: pictures right now now, But he was kind of stood
Speaker 3: out on his own along with guys like Sandy Kofax
Speaker 3: and Bob Gibson and.
Speaker 4: Don Sutton.
Speaker 3: Was a very crafty pitcher who pitched a lot of
Speaker 3: innings in a long time. Also, we're going to get
Speaker 3: into all of that and more on today's Guys Guys Radio.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about baseball. We're going to talk
Speaker 3: Nolan about Nolan Ryan and all the lessons we can
Speaker 3: learn from his wonderful career with sports writer Tim Brown.
Speaker 2: It's Guys Guy Radio.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys guys Radio. It is the interview portion of
Speaker 3: our show. And let's start with a question. What made
Speaker 3: Nolan Ryan's fastball so dominant? And could any pitcher in
Speaker 3: today's game match his combination of power and endurance. Well,
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about that today on Guys Guys
Speaker 3: Radio with our special guest, sports writer Tim Brown. Tim's
Speaker 3: covered baseball out in LA for more than thirty years.
Speaker 3: He's written to New York Times bestsellers, The Phenomena with
Speaker 3: Rick and Keel and Imperfect with the One Armed Jim Abbott,
Speaker 3: who threw a no hitter for my New York Yankees.
Speaker 3: He also wrote the Tao of the Backup Catcher. I
Speaker 3: love the name of that book. I gotta search it out.
Speaker 3: And in twenty sixteen he was awarded first place in
Speaker 3: Beat writing by the Associated Press Sports Editors. Welcome to
Speaker 3: Guys Guys Radio, Tim Brown. We're going to talk about
Speaker 3: Nolan Ryan today. Here's the new book. It just came out,
Speaker 3: The Singular Life of an American Original, and he sure is.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Tim Robert, thanks for having me. How are you today.
Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic and I gotta tell you, I just
Speaker 3: finished the book, and wow, he's Nolan Ryan's a mythical,
Speaker 3: kind of legendary man's man. He's like the John Wayne
Speaker 3: of baseball, and he must have been a very interesting
Speaker 3: Everybody has a story about him, it seems like. And
Speaker 3: there's nothing that one thing that sticks out except for
Speaker 3: he's like the Rolling Stones. He's got longevity, and he
Speaker 3: maintained his quality right through his was it twenty seven
Speaker 3: years or so in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 4: Just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3: Tell us about your just first take on Nolan Ryan
Speaker 3: after writing the book.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll start at the beginning. I was seven years
Speaker 4: old living in White Plains, New York when the Mets
Speaker 4: won the nineteen sixty nine World Series. That's a very
Speaker 4: vulnerable age as a sports fan, and therefore I was
Speaker 4: saddled with being a Mets fan for the rest of
Speaker 4: my life. Now, before you feel too sorry for me,
Speaker 4: remember who won the Super Bowl that year, and that
Speaker 4: was the New York Jets. So I've been lugging that
Speaker 4: around as well. But that was my and I felt
Speaker 4: like as I was thinking about Nolan as a subject,
Speaker 4: it occurred to me that for half of my life
Speaker 4: he was a pitcher, and I was aware of him
Speaker 4: as a pitcher. I grew up with Nolan Ryan, and
Speaker 4: you're right, this mystique, this guy who was there every year,
Speaker 4: this guy who was a power pitcher into well into
Speaker 4: what we would we would have considered been lege at
Speaker 4: the time. And I just thought, you know, he was
Speaker 4: unique when he pitched, and the further we get from that,
Speaker 4: it becomes almost unfathomable what he did. And I think
Speaker 4: my duty was to remind people that there was a
Speaker 4: way the game was played and there was a type
Speaker 4: of person who played it for a very long time.
Speaker 4: And while things have changed, those numbers that you might
Speaker 4: look up on Baseball Reference and look down on all
Speaker 4: these columns and how they end in fifty some records
Speaker 4: by the time he retired, were real. These things actually existed,
Speaker 4: that a game was played at a certain time in
Speaker 4: a certain era that looked like this. It wasn't by
Speaker 4: the way. I mean, he may have been unusual for
Speaker 4: the longevity part of it, but there were a lot
Speaker 4: of pitchers then who were throwing two hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: three hundred who you know, were through hard who made
Speaker 4: forty some starts in the year, who pitched on four
Speaker 4: days rest, And as my as I got a bit
Speaker 4: older over the past say ten years or so, I
Speaker 4: would watch starting pitchers come off the mound with an
Speaker 4: out in the sixth inning and tip their cap to
Speaker 4: an adoring crowd. Or I would watch no hitters die
Speaker 4: not in the batter's box, but on the manager on
Speaker 4: the top step of the dugout, or in the GM's office,
Speaker 4: or god forbid, in the analytics room, and I would
Speaker 4: mutter to myself, where have you gone, Nolan Ryan? You know?
Speaker 4: And I think one day I just got in my
Speaker 4: car and drove to Texas to find Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 3: And tell us about that journey, because he's not an
Speaker 3: easy guy to find. As we were kind of briefly
Speaker 3: chatting before the show, I noticed that, wow, I didn't
Speaker 3: since there was a lot of and it's got everything.
Speaker 3: The book is great, and it's really well written. It's
Speaker 3: got everything about Nolan Ryan and so many anecdotes and
Speaker 3: great stories, and you really now who he is. However,
Speaker 3: part of who he is is he's not that accessible.
Speaker 3: So when you went on your journey to Texas to
Speaker 3: find Nolan Ryan. I'll bet it wasn't easy.
Speaker 4: Right, You're absolutely right. So honestly, the journey was to
Speaker 4: find the idea of Nolan Ryan, the notion of Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 4: So I went to this little town forty miles south
Speaker 4: of Houston called Alvin, and I spent three weeks there
Speaker 4: learning about the how and the why. And that was
Speaker 4: what was important to me was what sort of place
Speaker 4: produces a man, a pitcher, an athlete, a ballplayer like
Speaker 4: Nolan Ryan. What were the values there? What did it
Speaker 4: feel like here? Why did he commit himself to this
Speaker 4: craft like no one else in the history of the game.
Speaker 4: Who was this person? And I feel like it had
Speaker 4: to start in this little town where you learn who
Speaker 4: are your role models, what are your values? What's important
Speaker 4: to you? How hard are you going to work for this?
Speaker 4: And I did find that and I began to understand
Speaker 4: as much as an outsider could, particularly with Nolan's dad.
Speaker 4: You know, Nolan was the youngest of six kids. Four
Speaker 4: of his older siblings were girls. And what was important
Speaker 4: to Nolan's father, Lynn Nolan Ryan Senior, was putting those
Speaker 4: four girls through college. And the way he did that
Speaker 4: was to hold two jobs. He worked in the oil
Speaker 4: field during the day, he would come home, eat dinner,
Speaker 4: go to bed, sleep for several hours, get up at
Speaker 4: twelve thirty am and deliver newspapers into the morning, come home,
Speaker 4: have breakfast, and start all over again. And I don't
Speaker 4: think as a boy, you watch this person, this person
Speaker 4: who's so important in your life, commit to something like
Speaker 4: this over many, many years, and not grow up with
Speaker 4: those same sort of that same sort of work ethic,
Speaker 4: those same sort of values, those sense of decency about
Speaker 4: being responsible for other people. Where where the important things
Speaker 4: in your life are taking care of your family, representing well,
Speaker 4: going to church on Sundays. It was all of these things.
Speaker 4: And that's what I found there, which was in the moment,
Speaker 4: of course, you know, to go back to your original question.
Speaker 4: I knew that Nolan was out there. The family was
Speaker 4: somewhat reluctant to speak to me out of the gate,
Speaker 4: because they don't just jump in on every project that
Speaker 4: crosses their desk. But I think, over a couple of years,
Speaker 4: doing all the research, talking to all the people that
Speaker 4: I and I hesitate to use this word because I
Speaker 4: don't want to put words into their mounds, but I
Speaker 4: think I earned my time with them toward the end
Speaker 4: of the research process where they invited me down to
Speaker 4: where they live now, which is outside Round Rock, Texas.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think you know, Nolan asked me,
Speaker 4: he goes, why are you doing this? I said, because
Speaker 4: I'm curious. And that's really the beginning and the end
Speaker 4: of it was this great curiosity about this ballplayer and
Speaker 4: growing old and you know, looking back over his shoulder
Speaker 4: on a lifetime spent in pursuit of all these things
Speaker 4: we just talked about.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, my special guest on Today's Guys Guys radio
Speaker 3: sports writer Tim Brown the book Nolan, The Singular Life
Speaker 3: of an American Original, and he sure is. So I've
Speaker 3: got a lot of questions about kind of where he
Speaker 3: is now. But let's start at the beginning. How did
Speaker 3: he discover like baseball and how did they discover him that, like, Wow,
Speaker 3: this guy's got a special arm.
Speaker 4: Right Well, I think the the great backstory is that
Speaker 4: Nolan's older siblings, five of them he had one brother
Speaker 4: as well as the four sisters, were all brilliant in school.
Speaker 4: Honor Roll straight A's school was easy for them, and
Speaker 4: Nolan had dyslexia and he struggled at school. So you're
Speaker 4: walking into the same school, down the same hallways, into
Speaker 4: the same classrooms, in front of the same teachers, and
Speaker 4: suddenly you're not like the rest of the rions. There's
Speaker 4: an expectation of more of the same, but there wasn't.
Speaker 4: And I think that drove him onto the ball fields.
Speaker 4: I mean, he loved sports. There's a great anecdote of
Speaker 4: he feels like the first new thing he ever got
Speaker 4: was a baseball glove. His dad drove him to the
Speaker 4: hardware store where they kept all the gloves, and he
Speaker 4: picked out his new glove, the first hand me down,
Speaker 4: non hand me down thing in his life. And what
Speaker 4: I love about that as an aside, is that the
Speaker 4: museum is across the street from where that old hardware
Speaker 4: store used to be, and that glove is in that museum.
Speaker 4: So it traveled over, you know, seventy years now, it
Speaker 4: basically traveled half a block to go from the hardware
Speaker 4: store to the museum case and he just found that
Speaker 4: the baseball field. You know, he had trouble in English
Speaker 4: reading the book, but he could read a scoreboard and
Speaker 4: that's where he got his confidence that, you know, the
Speaker 4: school day would end. And now it's his time. Now,
Speaker 4: it's his time to shine. All that disappointment he felt
Speaker 4: in the classroom from teachers or fellow students was all
Speaker 4: washed away and it was time for Nolan Ryan to
Speaker 4: shout uh and and he loved it and he excelled
Speaker 4: and he was He learned very early on that he
Speaker 4: had this big arm and he was going to ride it.
Speaker 3: Why do you think he had such a big arm?
Speaker 3: Is it the mechanics? Just route strength, determination, a combination
Speaker 3: of three coordination, eyehend coordination or you know, strong lower body.
Speaker 3: What were all of these things?
Speaker 4: What was he?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I think he was a terrific natural athlete. He was
Speaker 4: a very good baseball player, or I'm a very good
Speaker 4: basketball player as well as baseball. But you know, we
Speaker 4: all grew up with kids who were about the same
Speaker 4: size as them, but just there was something different about him.
Speaker 4: You know, you play catch with them and that last
Speaker 4: foot got on you quick. You're like, well that's a
Speaker 4: little different. So early on, you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: if there was anything other than he was just a
Speaker 4: pretty good natural athlete. And then I found I think
Speaker 4: he found that winning was important to him, and he
Speaker 4: committed to these teams and he enjoyed it. And there's
Speaker 4: you know, the great story where he wasn't you know
Speaker 4: it might have been a teenager at the time where
Speaker 4: you know, he had the big fastball, but he still
Speaker 4: couldn't control it. Yeah, and he like hit the first kid,
Speaker 4: hit the second kid, broke the helmet of the third kid,
Speaker 4: and the fourth kid wouldn't come to the plate. He
Speaker 4: told the coach, I'm not going up there, and Olden said, yeah,
Speaker 4: I knew I had him then refusing to come to
Speaker 4: the plate. That that's a pretty good sign. So I
Speaker 4: think that, you know, to push that a little. You
Speaker 4: asked about the discovery and the wild thing to me,
Speaker 4: especially in the context of today, where we know, you know,
Speaker 4: you could you could get information on every fourteen year
Speaker 4: old baseball player in the country if you wanted it,
Speaker 4: and you know, you'd know their swing, you know, what
Speaker 4: they look like on a mound. Back then, it didn't
Speaker 4: work that way at all. And it's wild for me
Speaker 4: to think that he was this kid who was throwing
Speaker 4: who knows, ninety ninety five, you know, in high school
Speaker 4: and one scout found him one yeah, I know. And
Speaker 4: Alvin High School had a good baseball program, they played
Speaker 4: good teams, they were in the state tournament, and for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, the fact that he couldn't control this fastball,
Speaker 4: the fact that he didn't have a great second pitch,
Speaker 4: he still had this very sort of sloppy curveball. One scout,
Speaker 4: a guy named Red Murph, who tramped all over the
Speaker 4: state and all the states nearby, stumbled onto him one
Speaker 4: afternoon and thought, this is the greatest arm I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: And a little sunken chested, skinny, one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: pound kid from Alvin High School who that day came
Speaker 4: in in relief. And Red Murph hadn't even planned on
Speaker 4: being there that day. It was just a fluke. And
Speaker 4: my sense is if Red hadn't steered his car toward
Speaker 4: that ballpark that day, we'd be talking about Nolan Ryan,
Speaker 4: the veterinarian amazing.
Speaker 3: So let's fast forward to he's on the Mets, he
Speaker 3: gets straight by the Mets, he goes all the way
Speaker 3: through to the to the World Series against the Orioles,
Speaker 3: which they won in the five games, and then he
Speaker 3: got traded to the Angels, I believe if I recall correctly,
Speaker 3: and then he really blossomed. So what was this issue
Speaker 3: beyond the control thing. Why didn't the Mets management even
Speaker 3: though they drafted him. He seemed they seemed there seemed
Speaker 3: to be based on the book Tim a lot of
Speaker 3: naysayers within the organization who weren't really buying into the
Speaker 3: what Nolan Ryan's true potential.
Speaker 4: Was, right, They couldn't figure out how to get Nolan
Speaker 4: sort of tracked toward the strike zone, which was what
Speaker 4: it basically came down to. And so you'd get this
Speaker 4: guy who's putting up all these numbers UH in the
Speaker 4: minor league, striking out two batters an inning, and throwing
Speaker 4: deep into games. Already, they knew they had this force,
Speaker 4: they knew about this fastball, and the organization was very
Speaker 4: impatient for the next Tom sever, right, they needed the
Speaker 4: next Tom sever and it just wasn't coming for whatever reason.
Speaker 4: And I think there's there were a variety of reasons
Speaker 4: to take this little this kid from a small town
Speaker 4: in Texas, and you put them in New York City,
Speaker 4: and you add all these expectations, and you add the
Speaker 4: press that's all leaning in also wondering when the next
Speaker 4: Tom sever is going to show up wearing Nolan Ryan's
Speaker 4: number UH, and all of that combined, Plus he's newly married.
Speaker 4: He's you know, his wife is Ruth is two years
Speaker 4: younger than he is. They're trying to sort out the world.
Speaker 4: Who are they going to be, what are they going
Speaker 4: to be together? What does what does baseball look like?
Speaker 4: What does it feel like? And you know, there was
Speaker 4: there were certainly plenty of conversations back then about maybe
Speaker 4: baseball is just not for me, because the experience was
Speaker 4: was just rough and the team Gil Hodges was the manager,
Speaker 4: Rube Walker was the pitching coach, and they just couldn't
Speaker 4: figure it out. He was. They just didn't know what
Speaker 4: they were going to get when they put him in
Speaker 4: a game. And it got to a point where, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it was time to they needed offense. So
Speaker 4: they went and got this all star shortstop from from
Speaker 4: the Angels who was you know, thirty years old and
Speaker 4: and could hit, and they were going to put him
Speaker 4: at third base and off they were going to go
Speaker 4: behind this this pitching staff with the Severs and Kuzman's
Speaker 4: and Gentries and mc andrews and John Mattlack was coming
Speaker 4: and uh, it just all made sense then. Well he
Speaker 4: was he'd barely gotten in the door in Anaheim when
Speaker 4: Tom Morgan, the pitching coach with the Angels, said we
Speaker 4: got to rework your mechanics. And they did, and suddenly, look,
Speaker 4: he was never going to be, you know, a guy,
Speaker 4: a command, a control pitcher. But they got it squared
Speaker 4: away enough where it was it was legit where you know,
Speaker 4: instead of walking six guys a game, he was walking
Speaker 4: four and that made all the difference.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you got into this, it's a
Speaker 3: pretty granular question, but what was what was he doing
Speaker 3: wrong in his mechanics?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, to get the weeds a little bit,
Speaker 4: he was flying open, was his shoulders, front shoulder was
Speaker 4: whipping toward the first base dugout and the ball was
Speaker 4: flying all over the plate. And what Tom Morgan would
Speaker 4: do was Tom Morgan would stand right next to Nolan
Speaker 4: and said, if you don't go straight to the plate,
Speaker 4: you're gonna hit me in the face or knock me off.
Speaker 4: And so they did that for weeks and weeks and
Speaker 4: weeks with Tom Morgan standing right on top of Nolan,
Speaker 4: and he had nowhere to go. He had to go
Speaker 4: straight to the plate. So you get it all streamlined.
Speaker 4: He get everything behind the ball, the fastball even ticked
Speaker 4: up a little at the time. Curveball came better as
Speaker 4: a result, and you know, suddenly he was a competitive pitcher. Amazing.
Speaker 3: So what tell us about his kind of trajectory with
Speaker 3: the Angels then, because before he went to the Astros
Speaker 3: and the Rangers, finally he's had a good run. He
Speaker 3: really became the Ryan Express on the Angels.
Speaker 4: Right, he became a superstar. He became suddenly a guy
Speaker 4: who you couldn't trust over four or five innings to
Speaker 4: a guy you could trust over three hundred innings. And
Speaker 4: I think probably you know, there was suddenly he had
Speaker 4: all this confidence. There was never a doubt that he
Speaker 4: was going to get the ball. Four days later, the
Speaker 4: manager would leave me in games deep into games, you know,
Speaker 4: into the eighth ninth inning. I would put Robert. I
Speaker 4: would put up his seventy two through seventy four seasons,
Speaker 4: those three seasons. You could cherry pick three seasons out
Speaker 4: of your favorite pitcher, no matter where they are. They
Speaker 4: don't have to be consecutive. And I would put those
Speaker 4: three seasons up against any you know, just ridiculous numbers
Speaker 4: in terms of nine hundred and fifty innings pitched and
Speaker 4: you know, one thousand and some strikeouts. He just what,
Speaker 4: like I want to say, seventy five seventy six complete
Speaker 4: games in that period. He just became suddenly, you know,
Speaker 4: he just grew all of a sudden. He was not
Speaker 4: just a guy who, Wow, this feels better. He was
Speaker 4: a guy who was I'm going to beat you today
Speaker 4: and every single day. And the wild thing you pushed
Speaker 4: that out just a little bit further is he lost
Speaker 4: sixteen games every season, exactly sixteen games every season because
Speaker 4: the Angels, which would be a running theme in his career,
Speaker 4: the Angels weren't very good.
Speaker 3: You know what. Some of the amazing stats I think
Speaker 3: were like per game pitches nowadays, Like I'm out here
Speaker 3: in the San Diego area and I like to watch
Speaker 3: the Padres and they're like five innings from the starter.
Speaker 3: And then we got the greatest bullpen inning inning inning
Speaker 3: right in Nolan's day, he pitched, if I got this correct,
Speaker 3: over two hundred pitches and a number of starts.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. The most famous one, of course, was the
Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty five pitch game against the Red Sox,
Speaker 4: And uh, what the part I love it is Louis
Speaker 4: Tiant was pitching for the Red Sox. The game went
Speaker 4: into extra innings, I think it was I think Nolan
Speaker 4: pitched thirteen innings and afterward he was mad that Bobby Winkles,
Speaker 4: the manager, pulled him out of the game because t
Speaker 4: pitched fourteen. That game absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3: Now, what do you think about that in terms of
Speaker 3: your you know, you've been on the beach for all
Speaker 3: these years that the game has changed. What do you
Speaker 3: how would you compare those days to nowadays?
Speaker 4: Where?
Speaker 2: And why?
Speaker 3: Why can't these Why are these pitchers always getting Tommy
Speaker 3: John surgery? Why why are they getting injured all the time?
Speaker 3: And why could those pitchers, the Bob Gibson's, the Don Drysdales,
Speaker 3: the Nolan Ryans of the world just pitch and pitch
Speaker 3: and pitch that they can't do that today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's my theory is I would say fifteen years
Speaker 4: ago started hearing about little leaguers, high schoolers, college pitchers
Speaker 4: throwing way way too many pitches on developing arms, and
Speaker 4: there was a real push to put establish some guardrails
Speaker 4: about you know, we're abusing the arms of the next
Speaker 4: generation of pitchers, which I think was completely legit. Well,
Speaker 4: we are now seeing the result of those guardrails in
Speaker 4: that Pictures will show up in the big leagues who
Speaker 4: have never seen the seventh viting. They've never been asked
Speaker 4: to pitch that long. And I don't, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know where to place. I don't even know if
Speaker 4: blame is the right word. But where this sits exactly?
Speaker 4: Is it the fact that I don't think that this
Speaker 4: generation of Pictures is any less tough or any any
Speaker 4: less capable. They certainly throw hard, for Jay speaking across
Speaker 4: the board, but management is now trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: guard their investments. In one way, They're trying they're trying
Speaker 4: not to hurt these guys. And so you have this
Speaker 4: the other angle of this, You have this obsession with velocity. Right.
Speaker 4: You have guys who, you know, the only thing they
Speaker 4: think about from the time they're fourteen is throwing five
Speaker 4: miles an hour harder. And when they get that five
Speaker 4: miles an hour, they want five miles an hour after that.
Speaker 4: We also have by the time you get into pro ball,
Speaker 4: is this real aversion to risk? And so I think
Speaker 4: those two things combined have led us to last year's
Speaker 4: leader and complete games in the big leagues through two,
Speaker 4: which you know, in Nolan's time would be a good week. Now.
Speaker 3: Another thing that's changed in the game is it seemed
Speaker 3: like when Nolan pitched was accepted to he did a
Speaker 3: lot more knockdowns than they do today. You don't see
Speaker 3: as many beam balls. There was a game a couple
Speaker 3: of nights ago with the with the Padres and the
Speaker 3: Orioles where they started hitting each other. But that's a
Speaker 3: rarity in my opinion nowadays, where in Ryan's time, if
Speaker 3: you sweared for a bunt, he's going to plunk you
Speaker 3: the next time up.
Speaker 4: And the picture.
Speaker 3: The batters were terrified of getting up against him in
Speaker 3: many ways because if you got too much, too close
Speaker 3: to the plate, you're going down. What's changed there?
Speaker 4: I think it was accepted as part of the game then.
Speaker 4: And you know, God forbid you stare at a home
Speaker 4: run for a second or two too long, because pictures
Speaker 4: had long memories. What I think? You know that that
Speaker 4: for me makes me think about all the conversation about
Speaker 4: who threw the hert ist fastball, you know, and you
Speaker 4: know Misserrowski now throwing one hundred and four and a
Speaker 4: half miles an hour, and uh, you know, Obviously, relievers
Speaker 4: are throwing up well above one hundred and for me,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Did Nolan throw harder than that or
Speaker 4: right around there or a little softer than I I
Speaker 4: don't know. But what I do know is that Nolan
Speaker 4: Ryan's fastball was what it was because of its attitude,
Speaker 4: because of the guy who threw it, because of where
Speaker 4: he was willing to throw it, because of his ability
Speaker 4: to use it as a weapon, because of his ability
Speaker 4: to buy that inside foot off the plate. And I
Speaker 4: think that made the difference. And if you're throwing, you know,
Speaker 4: whether you're throwing ninety seven or you're throwing one hundred
Speaker 4: and four, you know that courage and that insistent, that
Speaker 4: relentlessness of pitching inside and owning that plate and owning
Speaker 4: that field that night and competing. You know, every hitter,
Speaker 4: every opposing hitter I talked to from that era said, look,
Speaker 4: they were hard at bats. There were guys you just
Speaker 4: didn't think you could hit. But there was only one
Speaker 4: at bat that felt personal, and that was the one
Speaker 4: against Nolan Ryan. So it was just a different time.
Speaker 3: Now his pitch. Did his fastball have a particular way
Speaker 3: that did it break?
Speaker 4: Did it pop up?
Speaker 3: Did it take off because a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of different pictures the way they throw their fastball moves sometimes,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I think he was there something special about
Speaker 3: his or was it random?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, part of the problem was when it
Speaker 4: didn't come out of his hand perfectly, it would tail.
Speaker 4: And let's say he's throwing one hundred miles an hour
Speaker 4: and you're right handed batter, it would when it tailed,
Speaker 4: it tailed right at your neck, so you know, it
Speaker 4: had a little natural tail to it. Catchers, the catchers
Speaker 4: I spoke to who caught him, and some of the
Speaker 4: hitters said his ball rose, And I would say, I
Speaker 4: understand what you're trying to say that it had more
Speaker 4: a little more carry than other pictures, but it didn't
Speaker 4: really rise right. And they're like, no, I swear it rose,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, but like not really, Like if
Speaker 4: we're going to talk physics, like the ball is not
Speaker 4: really no, it rose a foot. I would get into
Speaker 4: these these like fun little arguments about whether or not
Speaker 4: it's even possible for a human being to throw a
Speaker 4: baseball that rises across sixty feet. But you know, it
Speaker 4: had that little jump on it that was just a
Speaker 4: little different that was his signature.
Speaker 3: Now, did he use a four seamer, two seamers, different
Speaker 3: grips and stuff.
Speaker 4: Or he did he just yeah, he threw a four seemer.
Speaker 4: Late in his career. He would stuff it back in
Speaker 4: his palm a little bit more and he would get,
Speaker 4: you know, sort of this dive at the end of
Speaker 4: it as well. It would come out a little bit softer,
Speaker 4: but still, you know, he's a power pitcher. You know.
Speaker 4: The funny thing was that across his career the change
Speaker 4: up was a little slow to come. And I was
Speaker 4: talking to one of his catchers, Art Kushner, who said
Speaker 4: he was around when they were really trying to develop
Speaker 4: that pitch. The problem was he kept thrown at ninety
Speaker 4: four miles an hour and it just it acted like
Speaker 4: everybody else's fastball, so it became kind of hittable. Got
Speaker 4: it okay?
Speaker 3: My special guest on Guys Guys Radio, Tim Brown, amazing
Speaker 3: author of Nolan The Singular Life of an American Original.
Speaker 4: We're talking about Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 3: When you had access to Nolan Ryan, I know he's
Speaker 3: not an easy guy to get to, even though you're.
Speaker 4: Writing a book about him.
Speaker 3: What did he have to say about pitching itself and
Speaker 3: his pitching style and what he believed made him different.
Speaker 4: You know, I think when we talk we talked less
Speaker 4: about the sort of the mechanics of pitching a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, we talked about the perfect fastball a little bit,
Speaker 4: which I found kind of interesting because I had this
Speaker 4: curiosity about a guy who's this talented. You know, hitters
Speaker 4: talk about that perfect contact where the ball doesn't even
Speaker 4: register in your hands, right, You just don't even feel
Speaker 4: it off the bat. And anyone who's played a little
Speaker 4: bit of baseball is lucked into one of those once
Speaker 4: in a while, or golf. You feel it in golf
Speaker 4: once in a while. And I said, is there such
Speaker 4: a thing? And he said, you know, what I was
Speaker 4: trying to do was was bury a strike down and
Speaker 4: away from right. He's down away from lefties, and that
Speaker 4: was that was the pitch. I was always chasing down
Speaker 4: and away for a strike ish right that that looked
Speaker 4: like a strike or acted like a strike, And that
Speaker 4: was the pitch he was always chasing. You know. I
Speaker 4: think that we talked more about the attitude of pitching
Speaker 4: and how he could discern almost as a hitter was
Speaker 4: walking toward the plate whether or not he wanted this
Speaker 4: today or not, whether he was game enough, whether you
Speaker 4: know it was going to be a fight or it
Speaker 4: was going to end quickly for both of them. And
Speaker 4: and I sort of love those conversations about reading a batter,
Speaker 4: looking in his eyes, noticing when he inched back in
Speaker 4: the batter's box a little bit because he was maybe
Speaker 4: a little afraid or maybe just trying to get through
Speaker 4: this game and get to the you know, the next
Speaker 4: guy in the rotation. We're just trying to survive. And
Speaker 4: you know, Chilie Davis says, you know, you'd stand over
Speaker 4: there and a guy like Nolan and you think, well,
Speaker 4: if I'm going to die, I'm going to die, but
Speaker 4: I'm going to go down swinging. And that was Nolan
Speaker 4: would take up on that. He would he would see,
Speaker 4: he knew who was there to hit and who was
Speaker 4: there just to get through the game.
Speaker 3: Well, to that point, Tim, some batters did have success
Speaker 3: against him. Could you tell us a little bit about
Speaker 3: who those players were and what was their approach that
Speaker 3: made them be in a position to be successful against
Speaker 3: Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 4: Unsurprisingly, the guys who had a decent amount of success
Speaker 4: against him had a decent amount of success against a
Speaker 4: lot of people. It was the type the likes of
Speaker 4: George Brett or Rod Carew. Pete Rose was okay against him.
Speaker 4: I loved the sort of talking to Will Clark about him,
Speaker 4: because Will Clark famously in his first big league at
Speaker 4: bat barely off the campus in Mississippi State Homer and
Speaker 4: off of Nolan in the Astronome, and he tells this
Speaker 4: great story about you know, and everyone knows if you
Speaker 4: remember Will Clark, there was a lot of energy there,
Speaker 4: you know, he was he was always a guy who
Speaker 4: was sort of vibrating a little bit. And he gets
Speaker 4: up there for his first big league bat. There's a
Speaker 4: full ballpark and it's Nolan Ryan, and I mean he's
Speaker 4: basically starting his swing at the at the batrack, and
Speaker 4: Nolan Ryan throws him a curveball and it looked like
Speaker 4: Will Clark had been shot with a with an arrow.
Speaker 4: He was so stunned by this and he snickered, and
Speaker 4: catcher looks up and says, what are you laughing? And
Speaker 4: he goes the express just threw me a curveball, like
Speaker 4: it was all this respect or something. Well, you know,
Speaker 4: Will Will Homer's and Will Will Homer six times against him,
Speaker 4: which is the most anybody had. And he couldn't really
Speaker 4: explain why him, you know, why did you? He just said,
Speaker 4: there was just some guys who you saw a little
Speaker 4: bit better than other guys. There's no explaining it. It's
Speaker 4: where your eyes went or whatever. But the sort of
Speaker 4: the beautiful coda of the story is that years later
Speaker 4: Nolan had just retired but was still around the Rangers
Speaker 4: and Will had had signed with the Rangers, and they
Speaker 4: would occasionally cross paths in a hallway or whatever, and
Speaker 4: Will would say hey, Nolan, and Nolan would side I
Speaker 4: am and real coldly just say Will, so still was
Speaker 4: carrying this thing that hitters pictures. You know, it never
Speaker 4: ended for Nolan amazing.
Speaker 3: So he was on the Angels, he became a superstar,
Speaker 3: and then he ends up on the Astros. How did
Speaker 3: he go from the Angels to the Astros and then
Speaker 3: ultimately to the Rangers.
Speaker 4: Well, free agency, right, this brand new kind of thing
Speaker 4: really at at the time, and uh, you know, his
Speaker 4: his oldest son read late in his career in Anaheim,
Speaker 4: I think it was his last year in Anaheim, had
Speaker 4: been hit by a car in the neighborhood where Nolan lived,
Speaker 4: and I think there was just this big pull to
Speaker 4: go back to Texas, back to Alvin. You know, if
Speaker 4: he played for the Astros, he'd be a short drive
Speaker 4: to the ballpark every day. I think that was important
Speaker 4: to him. They also made him the first million dollar player,
Speaker 4: you know, in the history of the game, a million dollars,
Speaker 4: and everyone was, you know, lost their minds over that.
Speaker 4: What kind of you know, baseball player is worth a
Speaker 4: million dollars a year, So it all fit, you know.
Speaker 4: It allowed him to go home. The family thing was
Speaker 4: always very important to him. You know, his his father
Speaker 4: had passed by then, but his mother was still alive,
Speaker 4: still living in the old house where Nolan grew up
Speaker 4: in Alvin and out and Nolan had a ranch in Alvin,
Speaker 4: and they they spent that that decade basic, you know,
Speaker 4: reinvesting in in Alvin and and and re engaging the boys,
Speaker 4: and you know, two sons and a daughter. They all
Speaker 4: went to Alvin High School and they basically relived Nolan's life,
Speaker 4: you know there, and I think that was important. And
Speaker 4: then he was a free agent again, went to Texas
Speaker 4: to the Rangers, which I think is my favorite chapter
Speaker 4: of Nolan's career because you go to this this franchise
Speaker 4: that had never been to the playoffs and it was
Speaker 4: really an irrelevant thing in Major League Baseball. They'd not
Speaker 4: done anything. The owner was broke, he was going bankrupt.
Speaker 4: There was talk about moving the Rangers to another city.
Speaker 4: It just wasn't working there. And uh, you know, I
Speaker 4: think he felt a responsibility. Uh you know, he didn't
Speaker 4: do it for free, but I think he felt the
Speaker 4: responsibility to Texas Baseball. He wasn't going to go back
Speaker 4: to Houston that didn't wasn't working out. They tried to
Speaker 4: cut his salary and he wasn't having any of that.
Speaker 4: And he basically pumped some life into a franchise that
Speaker 4: otherwise was going under fantastic.
Speaker 3: So what is Nolan Ryan doing now? And I know
Speaker 3: you met him, What is he in good health? If
Speaker 3: I may ask, is what is he up to nowadays?
Speaker 4: Then? So Nolan is seventy nine years old, right and
Speaker 4: fighting all those demons of being seventy nine years old.
Speaker 4: You know, he's had back surgery and he's fighting that
Speaker 4: a little bit. And you know he's got he's still
Speaker 4: his ranches, and he's still when his health allows, he
Speaker 4: will get in the car and he's only a couple
Speaker 4: hours away from from the closest ranch, and like he
Speaker 4: told me, I like to be there when the calves
Speaker 4: hit the ground, you know. And I think it's I
Speaker 4: think it's frustrating for you know, I'm sixty three years
Speaker 4: old now and there's things that I can't do that
Speaker 4: I used to be able to do, and I find
Speaker 4: very frustrating. So I can only imagine what it's going
Speaker 4: to feel like fifteen years from now.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's I think we all, Robert and you can agree
Speaker 4: with this. You know, you spend your whole life doing
Speaker 4: this one thing, and it was all about baseball. He
Speaker 4: played until he was forty six, and then he became
Speaker 4: president of the Rangers. You search for the scoreboards, right
Speaker 4: where's my where's my scoreboard? How am I keeping track now?
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, again, I don't know how
Speaker 4: he feels about this today, necessarily, but I think that
Speaker 4: that's a little bit of a gap in his life.
Speaker 4: Where where's my scoreboard? These days? But I think, you know,
Speaker 4: as two sons live in Round Rock nearby, that means
Speaker 4: he's got grand children nearby. They owned the minor league
Speaker 4: team in Round Rock the Express. He's still got a
Speaker 4: lot to do with that, you know, I know, it's
Speaker 4: we talked about this. It's difficult to see all of
Speaker 4: his friends pass away, that these you know particularly, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of the sixty nine Mets have gone. In fact,
Speaker 4: a lot of the people I talked to in this
Speaker 4: book have since passed. So that's difficult for him. But
Speaker 4: I think he's sort of holding on to family and
Speaker 4: holding onto as much ranching as he can do. He's
Speaker 4: got a dog named Buddy he loves, and he hangs
Speaker 4: out with a lot and gets as much done with
Speaker 4: the ball clubs as his health will allow.
Speaker 3: Now, since the book came out, have you gotten any
Speaker 3: response from either Nolan or the family or I assume
Speaker 3: they're very pleased because you did. The writing's fantastic. I
Speaker 3: think you were very authentic in how you covered Ryan.
Speaker 3: You didn't like you weren't fawning all over him, but
Speaker 3: you were just laying out the facts. And if you
Speaker 3: look at his career statistics, they're absolutely amazing. And the
Speaker 3: respect that he's commanded from his fellow players is unsurpassed.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is a myth, a living myth and legend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I didn't. It's it's a
Speaker 4: good question because I didn't start out to write a
Speaker 4: book they liked or didn't like. That wasn't part of
Speaker 4: the equation. I just wanted to sort of tell a story,
Speaker 4: tell a story about a guy who had kind of
Speaker 4: a cool life. And but come around publication day, which
Speaker 4: has been a few weeks now, it suddenly became important
Speaker 4: to me that they liked it sure, and I've gotten
Speaker 4: very nice feedback from the family that they felt that
Speaker 4: this was a very authentic, real accurate account of Nolan's
Speaker 4: life and the family's life and who they are now
Speaker 4: and what's important to them and what it all meant now.
Speaker 3: Tim last question, his stats, which are so amazing. Whether
Speaker 3: it's the innings pitch that I think he's still the
Speaker 3: all time strikeout leader, a lot of wins, a lot
Speaker 3: of lost strikeouts, complete games. What do you think is
Speaker 3: the most important statistic that really tells who Nolan Ryan
Speaker 3: really is and why he should be remembered forever in
Speaker 3: baseball mythology if you will.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's funny, how off and I would
Speaker 4: go to a player who'd been around a long time
Speaker 4: and I think the last time I did this was
Speaker 4: with Albert Poolhols and I printed out his career stats
Speaker 4: and I said, you know, what are you most proud of?
Speaker 4: And pooh Holes pointed to games played and I said, really,
Speaker 4: all the home runs, all the hits, all all that,
Speaker 4: and he said, it just meant that I was there
Speaker 4: for my teammates. That's how That's how often I showed
Speaker 4: up and was there for my teammates. And I bet
Speaker 4: I did not ask Nolan what he was proud of.
Speaker 4: I did ask what his favorite game was. I you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't ask what statistic he was proud of stuff.
Speaker 4: But I would bet that it was that he started
Speaker 4: close to eight hundred games if you include the playoffs.
Speaker 4: And I think that that would would be important to
Speaker 4: him because that means he was he had prepared himself
Speaker 4: eight hundred different times to be the best player on
Speaker 4: the on the field that day, to win a baseball game,
Speaker 4: and to give the fans something to watch. My guess
Speaker 4: is that that would be it.
Speaker 3: Okay, kind of a part two of that question. What
Speaker 3: can readers take away from this in terms of the
Speaker 3: life lesson that reading about and learning about a guy
Speaker 3: like Nolan Ryan, who is a throwback kind of cowboy
Speaker 3: John Wayne all American kind of man's man. What can
Speaker 3: people today and are the generations are so different now?
Speaker 3: What could be a takeaway that they can use right
Speaker 3: now to be the best they could possibly be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you the thing that always sticks out
Speaker 4: to me, and I think again it's you know, I
Speaker 4: am my father's son. I have sons myself, and that
Speaker 4: what Nolan Ryan did. I didn't know what to do
Speaker 4: exactly with this career. You know, it was wonderful and flawed.
Speaker 4: And what I've where I've come in and what I
Speaker 4: came to understand with this, This was a working man's career.
Speaker 4: And I asked myself, well, where did that come from?
Speaker 4: It came from his dad, that example of making your
Speaker 4: father proud and showing up and putting in the work.
Speaker 4: And you know this, it didn't have to go this way,
Speaker 4: but he almost insisted on it. And there's there's a
Speaker 4: real element there for me in terms of him recognizing
Speaker 4: early on that this arm was a gift. And I
Speaker 4: think I referred early that earlier in this conversation to
Speaker 4: him writing that gift it was actually just the opposite
Speaker 4: he could have written the gift, but what he decided
Speaker 4: was that I owe something to this gift, that I
Speaker 4: must honor this gift. And I think we all have
Speaker 4: a gift, right, we all have something we're good at.
Speaker 4: And I think what life asked you is what are
Speaker 4: you going to put into it? How much of yourself
Speaker 4: are you going to give to this gift in order
Speaker 4: to make the most of it. So that's that's what
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing job on the book, Tim Brown. We look
Speaker 3: forward to more works from you. Tell everybody where they
Speaker 3: can learn more about you, where they can get the book,
Speaker 3: website or whatever, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Well, they can get the book wherever you buy books, Amazon, Apple, etc.
Speaker 4: I've got a website by Tim Brown dot com which
Speaker 4: won't give you anything more than like where to order
Speaker 4: the book basically, but yeah, where wherever you find them,
Speaker 4: they'll be there.
Speaker 3: Fantastic, great conversation, Thanks for being a guys guy, Tim Brown.
Speaker 3: Terrific job on Guys Guys Radio.
Speaker 4: Thank you man.
Speaker 2: Thanks Robert, it's guys Guy Radio.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: An amazing conversation about American legend, sports legend Nolan Ryan
Speaker 3: and what did we learn today? Well, First of all,
Speaker 3: I want to correct myself. I think I mentioned that
Speaker 3: Nolan Ryan was kind of like John Wayne and that
Speaker 3: they were both from Texas, but they weren't both from Texas.
Speaker 3: I don't believe John Wayne was from Texas, but if
Speaker 3: I said he was, and I think we could all
Speaker 3: consider the fact that he could have been from Texas
Speaker 3: because he's one of those strong, rugged individualists that sometimes
Speaker 3: from a mythology standpoint, we equate with Texas in many
Speaker 3: ways the real American individual But anyways, Nolan Ryan was special.
Speaker 3: Some of the records he set twenty seven major league seasons,
Speaker 3: which is a record seven no hitters, twelve one hitters
Speaker 3: who he's tied with Bob Feller for that, eighteen to
Speaker 3: two hitters, thirty one to three hitters, all records, five,
Speaker 3: seven hundred and fourteen strikeouts in a career, three hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty three in one season, twenty four seasons of
Speaker 3: one hundred or more strikeouts, twenty three seasons consecutive seasons
Speaker 3: of one hundred and more strikeouts. He also led to
Speaker 3: all pitchers of all time and walks. I think one
Speaker 3: of the takeaways about Nolan Ryan is he persevered. He
Speaker 3: started out he hadn't fully developed his fastball. He was wild.
Speaker 3: The Mets gave up on him, and he went to
Speaker 3: the California Angels. I'm not sure if they were the
Speaker 3: CA California or the La Angels at that time, but
Speaker 3: he blossomed there and his fastball became known as the
Speaker 3: Ryan Express. And he was never backed down, and he
Speaker 3: challenged the hitters and if you squared up to bunt
Speaker 3: against him, good luck the next time you got up.
Speaker 3: And if you got too close to the plate, good
Speaker 3: luck for you. Because he threw what was known as
Speaker 3: the boat tie, which would be right under the chin
Speaker 3: of the batters. And you know, it's a dangerous thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not advocating it, but sometimes these old school guys,
Speaker 3: these tough guys like Nolan Ryan, they would really challenge
Speaker 3: the hitters and it wasn't to hurt them, it was
Speaker 3: just to basically lay claim to the fact that that
Speaker 3: strikes in his mind. So he's a pretty amazing icon,
Speaker 3: and I think the lessons that we can take from
Speaker 3: him are about hard work and determination, real American attributes
Speaker 3: set I think we have to reflect on and remind
Speaker 3: ourselves on, especially nowadays. So I hope you enjoyed our
Speaker 3: interview with Tim Ryan about Nolan Ryan. Thank you for
Speaker 3: listening to Guys Guys Radio. We'll be back next week
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Speaker 12: and you feel that you've had quite.
Speaker 13: Een, just remember they're just handing on a planet that's
Speaker 13: evolving and evolving at nine hundred miles an hour, that's
Speaker 13: all biting at ninety miles a second, so it's reckoned.
Speaker 14: A sun that is the source of all our power.
Speaker 14: The Sun and you and me and all the stars
Speaker 14: that you can see.
Speaker 13: Are moving at a million.
Speaker 2: Miles a day.
Speaker 14: Now to spile alarm at forty thousand miles an hour
Speaker 14: of the galaxy, we're gone the Milky Way. Our galaxy
Speaker 14: itself contains one hundred billion stars. It's one hundred thousand
Speaker 14: light years signed to Sun boones in the middle sixteen
Speaker 14: thousand light years thick, but out by us it's just
Speaker 14: three thousand light years wide. We're thirty thousand light years
Speaker 14: from galactic central point. We go round every two hundred
Speaker 14: million years, and our galaxy is only one of millions
Speaker 14: of billions. It is amazing and explained in universe.
Speaker 4: Unios.
Speaker 14: Itself keeps on expanding and expanding in all of the
Speaker 14: directions it can wiz as fast as it can go.
Speaker 14: The speed of light, you know, twelve million miles a minute,
Speaker 14: and that's the fastest speed there is. So remember, when
Speaker 14: you're feeling very small and insecure, how amazingly unlikely is
Speaker 14: your birth?
Speaker 13: Okay, that there's.
Speaker 14: Intelligence, life somewhere out in space goes there's bug.
Speaker 2: Along down here on Earth.
Speaker 15: Empire talks back.
Speaker 10: The attitude that, well, the little guy cannot win seems
Speaker 10: to prevail despite the fact that over time we've seen
Speaker 10: that the little guy, if he is persistent, he becomes
Speaker 10: the big guy.
Speaker 15: Empire talks back.
Speaker 10: No, it's because maybe people figure out a little knowledge
Speaker 10: is like smoke. It leads to the fire.
Speaker 15: Empire talks back.
Speaker 10: I think this drive for equality, this drive for justice,
Speaker 10: is gathering steam as opposed to fading out. I think
Speaker 10: more and more people realize the importance of the freedoms
Speaker 10: that America.
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Speaker 9: I'm doctor Anthony Leiserwitz, and this is Climate Connections. Ryan
Speaker 9: Reid is from the Karuk, Hoopa and Urok tribes in California.
Speaker 9: Growing up, he learned how his people long used intentional
Speaker 9: fire to keep landscapes healthy, but.
Speaker 7: We were never able to actually go out and do
Speaker 7: those things.
Speaker 9: In the early nineteen hundreds, states in the Forest Service
Speaker 9: began mandating that all fires be suppressed, effectively outlawing indigenous
Speaker 9: fire practices. The Forest Service has since reversed those policies,
Speaker 9: but their legacy remains. Many areas are overgrown with trees
Speaker 9: and brush that fuel severe fires, and the risks are
Speaker 9: growing as the climate warms. In twenty twenty, after a
Speaker 9: deadly wildfire near his home, Reid became a wild land
Speaker 9: firefighter with a Forest Service, a job beheld for four summers.
Speaker 9: He says, at times it felt contradictory.
Speaker 4: Fighting fire for an agency that have historically marginalized and
Speaker 4: oppressed my people.
Speaker 9: But he wanted to help keep people safe and now
Speaker 9: he's tackling the root of the problem by helping reduce
Speaker 9: the risk of intense fires. He co founded Fire Generation Collaborative,
Speaker 9: a youth led organization. The group educates people on the
Speaker 9: beneficial uses of fire and advocates for indigenous land management
Speaker 9: practices to build a more resilient future for all. Climate
Speaker 9: Connections is produced by the Yale Center for Environmental Communication.
Speaker 9: To learn more about climate change, visit Climate Connections dot org.
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