WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:09.919 In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Birdie's 2 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:13.880 and banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you 3 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:17.280 beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's this Balls 4 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.879 and teas your passport to the golfing universe, where every 5 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.760 swing tells the story and every part has its punchline. 6 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:28.120 Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive 7 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:32.159 into the world of diveds, drives and delightful. 8 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:47.119 Better right, ladies and gentlemen, it is the one and 9 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.399 only twenty two in the ball with a lot of like. Yes, 10 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.560 I am a classic man. As you already know, there's 11 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:56.159 only one magician when it comes to golf podcast, and 12 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.640 that is I myself. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, it is 13 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:02.759 a Wednesday evening, and I'm so excited to be here 14 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:05.120 because the last time I engaged with you was last 15 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:07.760 week Wednesday. And as you know, man, my weekend starts 16 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.120 on a Wednesday, and I told you do not inhibit 17 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.400 bad habits of saying we can also start on a 18 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.879 Wednesday because tomorrow are going to work. But nonetheless, ladies 19 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:20.200 and gentlemen, as you know, were obliged. You asked us 20 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:24.319 to actually carry the show abroad and to take it overseas, 21 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:28.760 and we did exactly that. Because tonight's episode we have 22 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.519 a guest from I won't say the place, but I 23 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.560 can tell you that he's from abroad, and we are 24 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:39.840 so excited to host this gentleman because he understands he 25 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:44.000 leaves golf. But ladies and gentlemen, before I even bring 26 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.599 in our guests, please, let's stick to the drill. And 27 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.959 our drill is very simple. Get yourself an ice cold 28 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.159 blast of water, juice, whatever you want to drink, because 29 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.799 it's about to get hot in Yere. Already it's hot 30 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:02.560 in Pretoria. I was anticipating some rain today, same as yesterday. 31 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:06.239 But yesterday rained, today I see no rain at Also, 32 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:08.840 I hope you guys are ready for this, because for 33 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:11.319 as much as the show is going to be heated, 34 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:14.599 you are going to learn a lot more about golf. So, 35 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.719 ladies and gentlemen, let's take that two minute break and 36 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.599 then after two minutes we come back. Then we progress 37 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:24.000 with the show. You will enjoy yourself. Go get the 38 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.120 glass of water, and then when we come back, as 39 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.879 you know, things are about to get heated. 40 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:37.479 In a world where fairways meet the airwaves where birdiees 41 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:41.400 and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you 42 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.840 beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls, 43 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:48.439 and t's your passport to the golfing universe, where every 44 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:52.319 swing tells the story and every part has its punchline. 45 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.680 Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive 46 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:59.879 into the world of diveds, drives and delightful better. 47 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:18.879 The magician, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the only show 48 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:22.840 that metals. As as said, I hope you've got your refreshments, 49 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:27.240 because men, am I so happy? And you know what 50 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.199 makes me more excited is the fact that the gentlemen 51 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.159 that we have today actually has a name similar to mine. 52 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:40.639 So hopefully it's gonna be more fun than I actually anticipated. 53 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:44.159 So without any furtherer ado, ladies and gentlemen, please help 54 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:52.840 me in welcoming Masta Antonio, Louro, ray Tony. 55 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.639 Right, good afternoon to all. 56 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.360 Thank you very much for the invitation, and I'm sure 57 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:03.759 it's gonna be very good and long and eded conversation 58 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:04.360 with you. 59 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:04.879 Turning to. 60 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.719 Under present, TONI I just want to say, before anything else, 61 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:12.719 thank you, thank you, thank you so much because I 62 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:16.879 understand time. It's not your best friend. You're always on 63 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.000 the move, You're busy, and I just want to say 64 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.800 thank you for honoring this invite. Firstly and obviously to 65 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:26.600 your team and everyone around you who's allowed us an 66 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.879 opportunity to engage with you today. I just want to 67 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.560 say a big shout out to them. I try to 68 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:34.920 introduce you, but I don't think I did so much 69 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:39.399 justice to your name, Antonio, would you please reintroduce yourself 70 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.360 and just give the audience an idea of who you are, 71 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:48.560 what you do and yeah, just those kind of things. 72 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:53.600 Okay, good afternoon everybody. So my name Antonio Lord is 73 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:59.199 Antonio Lord, and I'm sixty five years old, a project 74 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.879 manager by trade sort of that. 75 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:04.279 I have been doing. 76 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.319 Projects all over the world and obviously along with that 77 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:13.040 sort of playing golf for the last forty years. Three 78 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:19.000 time Portuguese champion in two club championship, two times in 79 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:25.560 mid amateur, one time overall. And I was actually born 80 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.240 in Angolan many many years ago, and my first nationality 81 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.800 is actually Angoland. So it was a dream to come 82 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:38.240 back to Angolan and actually contribute for the growth of 83 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.360 the country. And I've been in Angola for the last 84 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.879 sixteen years and on the last five I was invited 85 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:52.720 to become the CEO of a golf resort in Angola, 86 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:57.560 just seven ti kilometers away from Loundon. So on these 87 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:01.240 last five years I've been involved with with the resort, 88 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.600 being even more involved with golf to the crazy point 89 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:12.600 of becoming a professional with sixty two years old. So 90 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.439 I've been playing the Senior Sunshine Tour in South Africa 91 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:22.639 for the last three years. So it was a crazy 92 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:28.000 decision but one which was important, one which was important 93 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:33.519 for me as a person and as a sportsman, because 94 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:37.279 it's actually that something which will keep me alive, will 95 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:40.519 keep me training every day, will keep me sort of 96 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.000 trying to improve every day, which is actually golf, all 97 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:48.040 about golf, and obviously it was a great opportunity to 98 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:53.439 join with one of the most powerful countries golf countries 99 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.800 in the world, which is South Africa, and obviously giving 100 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:02.240 us the opportunity of networking with important players, important sort 101 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:08.000 of decision makers in golf, which is absolutely vital for us. 102 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:13.000 Yet a goola, we are very a country which only 103 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.040 has one golf course, which is actually the one I run, 104 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:21.079 and it's a nation which has no experience whatsoever in golf, 105 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:23.439 so it's a. 106 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:24.399 Big, big challenge. 107 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.519 And we'll learn in Africa that if you want to 108 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:31.560 go fast, you go along, if you want to go 109 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:35.240 far away, you go together. So the decision was get 110 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:37.120 together with South Africa with. 111 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:39.279 All the all the knowledge and. 112 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:43.920 The networking in South Africa and sort of try to 113 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.079 make something happen in both ways in golf and South Africa. 114 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.439 So I hope it was not a very long introduction. 115 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:56.480 That's pretty much what I am. But as far as 116 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.920 this is concerned, it's forty years of golf with many, 117 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.199 many roles both in Portugal and. 118 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.920 Yeah, hundred percent. Then I have to say thank you, 119 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:13.800 thank you for that in depth introduction. You've taken away 120 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.519 all the questions that I had. But I'll find something 121 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:24.959 to ask. But before we even get into the crux 122 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.759 of matters, Antonio, I just want to find out something 123 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:32.559 you mentioned that you only got into the pro second 124 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:36.000 three years ago, which is through the Sunshine Talk. Now, 125 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.480 my question would be, has it always been a dream 126 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:42.519 of yours to actually play professional or is it something 127 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.320 that you were, like, you know what, I've been playing 128 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:46.399 this sport for so long. 129 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:47.159 Let me just. 130 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:50.840 Continue enjoying it on a professional level. 131 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.120 Well, you know, that's one of the things which we 132 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.840 all go for. Shared is always the challenge. We need 133 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:06.440 something to challenge us every day. And obviously, playing as 134 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:11.440 an amateur with sixty five years old, it would sort 135 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.639 of give me a few amateur tournaments and it was 136 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.159 really not sort of the sort of competition and the 137 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:24.559 challenge I was looking for. Obviously, playing with players like 138 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:30.840 a few important names like David Frost, Neville Clark, Andrew 139 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:36.399 McClard and Dog mcgig and Keith Horn so obviously puts 140 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.399 the challenge into a completely different level. 141 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.360 Obviously, by sharing the. 142 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:48.600 Golf course, is sharing the putting greens with this very 143 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:53.639 high level sort of players, it will give you a 144 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:58.879 different view of the golf and a different challenge altogether. 145 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:01.240 So I don't know if I made myself clear, but 146 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:07.440 obviously it was a decision because it's playing professionally even 147 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:10.759 at sixty two years old, was more the type of 148 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:16.440 challenge I was looking for than simply playing amateur tournaments 149 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.000 here and there, which are fine, but it was not 150 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:22.200 enough for me as a challenge. 151 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.919 I fully understand that, and I think it actually makes sense, 152 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.919 because as a person, I believe that we thrive on challenges. 153 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:36.120 If we become too complacent, then we don't really get 154 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:40.360 fulfilled to say we have done what we actually wanted 155 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:46.480 to achieve. So thank you for the clarity. Now, if anything, 156 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:50.320 if anything I just want to find out from you, Antonio, 157 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.759 is that I mean you mentioned that you have played 158 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.840 in the amateur second for quite some time, and you've 159 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:00.600 got a few accolades from there. Now, when we look 160 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:04.759 at this professional aspect of golf or the professional space, 161 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.320 especially when it comes to tory, because I believe that 162 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.759 once in a while tournaments will be held in different places, 163 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:17.440 how different is that compared to the amateur circuit. Do 164 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:25.120 you also taught the continent during those amateur matches or 165 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.639 are you only experiencing it now when you get into 166 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.039 the professional circuit. 167 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:35.639 Well, sort of touring as such, only nours that I'm 168 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:40.200 playing in the in the professional circuit, and I played 169 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.759 sort of amateur in Portugal for a long long time 170 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.120 and it was sort of a pretty much sort of 171 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:52.240 national competitions. I did play a few a few tournaments 172 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:57.120 as an amateur in the in the professional in the 173 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:03.559 professional circuits at my club I was club captain of Gutavus, 174 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:09.120 which was host of the European Tour events. During five 175 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:12.120 years in a row, we hosted as well sort of 176 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:15.440 a senior at the Legends Tour now the Legends Tour, 177 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:20.000 but then the Senior Tour, the Ladies Ladies Tour, the 178 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.360 Challenge Tour. So we had quite a few events, professional 179 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.840 events at ower at my club then in Portugal, and 180 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.679 obviously as a Cup captain, I was invited to play 181 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:37.200 quite a few times on the professional tournaments as an amateur. 182 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:43.360 But during these sort of amateur sort of years, I 183 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:48.000 was lucky enough to play like I played Shut Schwartzel 184 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:51.840 in one year. The next year he was played the 185 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.679 problem of the Portuguese Open with Shad Schwartzel and the 186 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.759 next year he won the Masters. So the next year 187 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.480 I played with Martin Kahan and the next year he 188 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:02.480 won the Masters. 189 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.080 So I was lucky enough. 190 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.120 To play to play with a few big names of 191 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.559 the professionals, and I was able as well to understand 192 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:17.559 a bit what was the professional and the touring. But 193 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:23.000 only now at sixty sixty two years old, I'm actually 194 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.639 sort of being part of that side of the golf game. 195 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:31.080 Which is a completely different side and as completely different pressures, 196 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:36.759 completely different challenges from the amateurs. You know, amateur is 197 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:40.600 pretty much like you defend your club. You want to 198 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:44.759 become a good player, but you don't have the pressure 199 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:48.399 of going from one tournament to the other and needed 200 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.960 to make money to pay your trip. And yeah, even 201 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:57.639 today with me, you go into the driving range and 202 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:02.080 just just in front of you you Ky Torn eating balls. 203 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:06.080 Behind you you have James Kingston and suddenly you realize 204 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:09.799 what the hell am I doing here. It's a big challenge, 205 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.759 and it's even worse when it happens with you and 206 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.000 you have to make money to pay you on next trip. 207 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:20.440 So the professional circuit is extremely, extremely demanding these days, 208 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:25.279 no doubt, nothing compared with the amateurs. Although during these 209 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:29.000 last years the amateurs, with the world ranking and the 210 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:36.679 big sort of amateur tournaments is becoming actually the entrance 211 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:40.879 door for the professional circuit. So these boys are really 212 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:44.559 sort of getting the same sort of pressure, the same 213 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:48.480 sort of training, the same sort of challenge that most 214 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:53.320 of the professionals are living on a day to day. 215 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.600 And I mean, like you said, the landscape is totally 216 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:00.639 different between amateur golf and professional golf. I just want 217 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.440 to find out if you were to compare the intensity 218 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:11.159 of training or preparation between amateur circuit and the professional circuit, 219 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:14.600 what would you say has changed over the years that 220 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:19.279 you've actually played in the professional circuit and what kind 221 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:23.200 of preparation do you actually do different to what you 222 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:24.320 used to do back then. 223 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:31.639 Well, Tony, really, the the industry and the the all 224 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:37.039 the the the ages that you have today on your 225 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:44.759 preparations from sort of everything, all the computers, all the 226 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:50.039 track mans, all the technology, all the software that you 227 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:53.080 put in your body and you check all the parts 228 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:56.200 of your body in the swing and everything else. The 229 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:02.240 evolution of that side of the game is been absolutely unbelievable. 230 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:07.039 And obviously with that, all the training is changed quite 231 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.039 a lot. So these days you see people sort of 232 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:17.080 training flexibility, training sort of muscles, and all the preparation 233 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:22.120 that goes into making a professional, top quality professional player 234 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:26.080 is a lot more complete than used to be in 235 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:32.720 my time. And basically, at my time we were barely 236 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:38.240 touching the psychological part of the game and the sort 237 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:42.080 of all of that, and today, Tony, that's part of 238 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:47.919 the game. I don't believe there is a top professional player. 239 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.799 And I'm sure that most of the top quality amateurs 240 00:16:53.240 --> 00:17:00.240 that they don't have a team of physical training, psychological training, 241 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:05.759 sort of coach or swing coach, putting coach, whatever. It's 242 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:09.799 a big team, that's and the training is a lot 243 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:14.359 more detailed, a lot more sort of sophisticated, and used 244 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:16.640 to be in my time. When I started playing golf, 245 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:21.759 our idols were people like seven yen balles Teros, and 246 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.759 it was it was all about talent. It was all 247 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:30.279 about sort of the talent of the game. And you know, 248 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:35.079 you know, we both know these days that talent is 249 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:38.279 not enough. You need you need to put a lot 250 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.519 more so the long and the short is obviously the preparation, 251 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.759 the training, everything else today is absolutely different, a lot 252 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:51.759 more intents, a lot more demanding. And when I was 253 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.119 sort of a top amateur, you you used to train 254 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.960 sort of two or three times a week, one or 255 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.359 two hours. Well, if you want to be a top 256 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:05.599 professional these days, that is the amount of hours you 257 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:06.680 need to put in one day. 258 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:12.519 Mm hmmm. You know, earlier I forgot to say, I've 259 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.720 got to mention that because you did mention that you 260 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.680 played with Charles Wattle and then he won the Masters, 261 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.440 and then you played with Kingston if I'm not mistaken, 262 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:22.359 and he also won the Masters. 263 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.000 Martin Kanner, Martin Kanner, I'm not too sure what was 264 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:28.000 the sequence, but it was two years in a row 265 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.079 and they both want the Masters. 266 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:31.640 Yes, Martin Kanner, it. 267 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:35.440 Was Martin Kimer. Yeah, because I forgot to say, you 268 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.480 know what, I think they were very lucky to play 269 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.119 with you, because it seems that whoever played, if you 270 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.559 want the Masters. So if anyone out there who wants 271 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:45.759 to win the Masters, they need to schedule a game 272 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:46.039 with you. 273 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:47.359 Yeah. 274 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.960 Well, I'm always available on the Senior Sunshine Tour. We 275 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.000 always play with amateurs. It's always a pleasure to share 276 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:58.200 sort of the two days of golf with people which 277 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:02.599 are willing to come and experience a bit of these 278 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:06.000 forty years, a lot of a lot of stories, a 279 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:13.160 lot of experiences with amazing people, amazing people that it's 280 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:16.079 there's still references of the game of golf disdays. 281 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:20.799 And I mean, as you mentioned, over forty years playing 282 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:24.680 the spot and majority of those years you said you 283 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.160 you were in the amateur second. Now I just want 284 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:32.160 to find out obviously playing in different countries that the 285 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:35.480 landscape is totally different. And you did make mention that 286 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:40.039 currently in Angola there's only one golf course, which is 287 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:48.039 Mangay if I'm not mistaken and looking at the accessibility thereof, 288 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:53.240 and you were to compare it to South African accessibility 289 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.720 to golf courses, how how much more work do you 290 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.880 think still needs to take place within Angola for his 291 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:05.319 dance to make sure that get the landscape competes with 292 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.279 some of the world's top countries when it comes to golf. 293 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:16.240 Well not maybe sort of defender basically our golf course. 294 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:20.000 As you know, we we we've been helding sort of 295 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:24.920 we have the senior Sunshine to coming to us. Uh 296 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.960 this this year will be the fourth time. So last 297 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:34.039 year the winner at our golf tournament, the Senior Manguy's 298 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:40.039 Senior Classic, was David Frost. And so David Frost when 299 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:44.519 he ended up ended the tournament, he was asked sort 300 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:48.319 of David, what's your opinion about the golf course? And 301 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:51.480 he told the new the guy from the radio and 302 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:56.559 the newspaper, he told them that if he was blindfolded 303 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.519 and brought on elicopter down to our gold of course, 304 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:04.000 he would believe that he was thought that he was 305 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:11.000 in Florida. So basically the our golf course has been 306 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:16.400 sort of rated very very highly by all the players 307 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:20.119 that have come to play with us. And I mentioned 308 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:24.319 David Frost, but I can mention James Kingston, he was 309 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:25.240 with us already. 310 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.400 Keithorne was the. 311 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.519 First guy which won the first edition of the Mangui's 312 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:36.400 Senior Classic. We've got Doug mcgigan he won the second 313 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:37.839 one this year. 314 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:43.839 We had we had sort of Magnus Livy, which. 315 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:48.119 Is a Swedish guy with more than thirty years experiencing 316 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:53.119 the European Tour. We had Andrew Bozart, which is he 317 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:57.000 was born in South Africa but the Swiss and a 318 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:03.599 member of the Legends Legends Tour Committee. And we only 319 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:09.559 received sort of very very good sort of opinions about 320 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:14.160 the golf course. Is a full championship golf course, extremely 321 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:18.519 demanding and it's a big challenge and it's basically. 322 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:20.359 Untouched. 323 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:24.799 Lens is nothing like we have in many many golf 324 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:28.960 courses in South Africa which are part of a development project. 325 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:32.799 So we've got a nice golf course, but it's it's 326 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.799 all over all over the golf course and obviously with 327 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:44.039 us it's nature, nature and nature, so it's a completely 328 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:49.960 different field. And once again it's if I can, if 329 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.279 I can try to make a similarity to South Africa, 330 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:58.559 the only place where you can actually find something like 331 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.799 the golf course we have in Angola. 332 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.960 It's a wild coast, so you can you. 333 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.920 Can see the basically what we have here, the same 334 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.240 type of golf course, the same type of wind, the 335 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:16.880 same type of proximity, proximity to the sea. So it's 336 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:19.680 pretty much a wild coast golf course in Angola. 337 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:25.720 That's lovely. That's lovely, and I believe our audience can't 338 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.279 even wait to I'm sure that some are already googly 339 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.839 and uh some can't even wait to come and play 340 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.839 at Manguy. I just want to find out from you, 341 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:42.799 like in secret playing at my guy uh as Antonio, 342 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.119 mm hmm, right, how how many times have you broken 343 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.519 that cost? How many times have you actually beat that course? 344 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:50.880 Well? 345 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:54.559 I broke that course about two times playing from the 346 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.839 from the back teas and not even from the back, back, 347 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:03.039 back back teas, because this is a seven thousand plus 348 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:10.079 golf course at sea level with fairways that the ball 349 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:13.279 doesn't run like some of the golf courses in. 350 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.839 South Africa. So it's a very long, long golf course. 351 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.319 For me with sixty five years old, I hit the 352 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:27.319 ball between two twenty and two forty meters and I 353 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:31.880 leave myself many times seven woods and five woods as 354 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:36.000 a second shot. So's it's not an easy golf course. 355 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:41.480 Obviously for somebody like Keithorn, which still plays on the 356 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.680 Senior Sunshine Tour, is one of the top players of legend. 357 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:50.119 Thure eats the ball to seventy to eighteen, it's easier 358 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.000 for me. It's not an easy golf course. It's a 359 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:57.279 golf course which I'm very very happy when I go 360 00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:58.359 round in Level Park. 361 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:02.359 And just. 362 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:09.799 With of wisdom to young golfers like myself, if you 363 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.680 were to share something and reflecting on your early ages 364 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.680 as a golfer, to say, okay, how, how or what 365 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.480 would be the best way to approach the sport in general? 366 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:24.880 Is it more about how hard you heat or how 367 00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:29.559 far you hit, or is it more about how strong 368 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.559 you are mentally? Like you said that there's a huge 369 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:36.319 difference now between amateur and professional in the sense that 370 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:42.319 the mental acumen has been emphasized in the professional aspect. 371 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.599 So if you were to look at your young self 372 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.759 and maybe give a few tips to say, okay, right 373 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.720 now I'm in the professional league. In order for you 374 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:57.400 to actually continue enjoying golf and continue being the best 375 00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:59.559 is what you do? What would you say are the 376 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.279 key that young golfers should actually look. 377 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:08.839 Into, well, Tony, Really, the basically, if you reduced the 378 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:14.440 golf the golf game, it's all about sort of eating fairways, 379 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:19.640 eating greens, and making putts and actually, believe it or not, 380 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.519 I believe the last one is by far the most important. 381 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:28.119 If you put well, and if you go and check 382 00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.920 all the big big names in the golf the game 383 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:35.880 of golf, they were all in that time extremely extremely 384 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:40.440 good butters and I can tell you that I played, 385 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.200 as I said, I played with many professionals. I played 386 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:48.200 a few tournaments with top quality professionals and second level 387 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.559 professionals and third level professionals, Tony, they all hit the 388 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.279 ball very far, They all hit the ball very well. 389 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.640 The difference is actually the short game and putting. If 390 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:05.079 you do that well, you'll become a great, a great 391 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.079 player golf player. 392 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:08.519 So really, the. 393 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:15.240 For me even today, it's the big, big challenges, go 394 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.880 round and put well, make twenty nine, twenty eight, thirty puts, 395 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:23.759 then you have an extremely good round of golf. Because 396 00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.720 if you do that, obviously the pressure of your long game, 397 00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:32.960 the pressure of your approach shots, it's less than when 398 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.200 you know that if I'm not going to make the 399 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:39.799 fairway and then if I have myself a long put, 400 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.880 I'm going to three pot or I'm going to miss 401 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.960