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See website for details. 50 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.240 You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking 51 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.360 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 52 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:29.719 written about them Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker, DTK. Every 53 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:33.439 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 54 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:38.080 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 55 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:54.240 journalist and author Dan Zupanski, Good evening. Before domestic violence 56 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:59.280 hotlines and safe houses were widespread, June Bryant shot four 57 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.120 bullets into her husband's head and was sentenced to fifteen 58 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:05.439 years to life. This is the shocking true story of 59 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:09.479 survival and the intense bond June shared with her pathologically 60 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:14.159 violent husband, a monster who physically and sexually tortured, degraded, 61 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.800 and dominated her so relentlessly that she refused to believe 62 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.560 he was dead even after she killed them. What kind 63 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.439 of woman would slay her own husband? What kind of 64 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.159 man would drive her to do it? Why didn't she 65 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.960 just leave him? Based on hundreds of hours interviewing June Bryant, 66 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:34.120 speaking with her lawyers, and poring over countless pages of 67 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.400 court transcripts, police and hospital records and interviews with virtually 68 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.159 every key person involved with this case. The author explores 69 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.599 those difficult questions while exposing the twisted dynamics of a 70 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.960 relationship that enslaves a woman and drives her to kill 71 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.120 the beasts she loved when she was finally out of hope, 72 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:56.960 out of time, and out of her mind, at once 73 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:02.840 terrifying and maddening, heart rending, and ultimately exhilarating book, including 74 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:06.960 an unforgettable glimpse inside a maximum security prison. The book 75 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.319 to feature in this evening is The Beast I Loved, 76 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.800 A Battered Woman's desperate struggle to survive with my special guest, 77 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:18.439 journalist and author Robert Davidson. Welcome to the program, and 78 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:21.160 thank you very much for this interview. Robert Davidson. 79 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:25.040 Yeah, Hi Dan, I'm here and ready to go ahead. 80 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.000 Thank you very much. The very very interesting book, and 81 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:32.800 I applaud you for this incredible access and we're going 82 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:37.360 to get right into being able to see exactly how 83 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:41.360 this could ever occur. I want to ask you how 84 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:43.800 you came to be in a position to write this book, 85 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:47.319 and without giving too much away at all, why did 86 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:48.319 you want to write this book? 87 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:52.879 Well, I won't give too much way because there's a 88 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.279 lot of twists and turned. It turned out this was 89 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.360 of all the crime novels I've read, this this turned 90 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:03.319 out to be more bizarre, more strange, more fast paced 91 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:07.480 than anything I've ever read. And it's nonfiction. This is 92 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:14.720 true story, but I wrote it essentially. The first reason 93 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.920 is what I just said, is this a fascinating story 94 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.360 that I wasn't sure we had a book here until 95 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:22.120 I got into the interviewing process. So I'll tell you 96 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:26.879 a little more about later. And aside from the fascinating story, 97 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.160 the idea is to focus attention on domestic violence and 98 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:34.040 raise public awareness and really to take people into the 99 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:36.399 homes of these victims who are not allowed to cry 100 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:38.920 out for help for fear that they'll be beaten again 101 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:41.560 or maybe next time killed, as our batter is so 102 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.560 often threatened to do. So we don't see it, you know. 103 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.920 The domestic violence is a hidden epidemic, and whether you 104 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.319 want to believe it or not, it's in your neighborhood. 105 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.439 It's in every neighborhood, not just the poor and uneducated. 106 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.959 Is white collar too, I mean doctors, lawyers, the rich, 107 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:02.319 the famous batter women and they abuse and degrade them. 108 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.360 I mean, it's been in the media daily. The timing 109 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:06.959 for this book couldn't be better to it was just 110 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:10.480 released last month with all this Me Too movement and 111 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.519 the media night and day discussing this issue, everything from 112 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.920 the entertainment industry right up to the White House. But 113 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.839 I think the timing is very good and it really 114 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.199 couldn't be better. And the other thing, Dan is the 115 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:30.079 violence against women is not diminishing, it's getting worse. According 116 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.199 to a twenty seventeen FBI report, a woman in this 117 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:39.639 country is beaten every fifteen seconds, resulting in a staggering 118 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.800 four million assaults per year. That's just reported by the 119 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:47.519 Way who probably triple that, and the National Coalition Against 120 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:52.199 Domestic Violence reports and even more incredible statistic, and that 121 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.720 is one in three women have been the victims of 122 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.240 physical violence by an intimate partner within their lifetime, one 123 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:03.240 in three. Wilds is so pervasive that Congress now has 124 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:05.600 passed funding to study with the Surgeon General calls a 125 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.639 public health crisis than it is. So that's why I 126 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:10.800 wrote the book, is to get focus on this and 127 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:17.800 to tell this stunning story that's got more horrific the 128 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.160 more I talk to this woman. So that's the answer 129 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.720 question long long way around, but that's the answer a question. 130 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.759 Because of the incredible access that you had to her. 131 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:33.639 And so she was, of course amazingly candid with her 132 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.519 life to be explained, how on earth she got to 133 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:39.519 the point of killing her husband. We have to go, 134 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.199 and you do in this book, go right back to 135 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:51.759 her incredible and strange upbringing in southern New Hampshire and Merrimack, 136 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:55.120 a little place called Merrimack. And you say, she's living 137 00:07:55.160 --> 00:08:00.759 with her grandmother, Mary Jackson, deeply religious, and her her grandfather, 138 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.959 and tell us where what happened to her about her 139 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:09.480 mother and her father, and tell her she came to 140 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.600 be in this environment living with her grandparents, And then 141 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:17.079 tell us, as you do in the book, this incredibly 142 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:23.120 bizarre living arrangement and life that she was born into. 143 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.279 Well, that's right, Ju and beyond was dropped off at 144 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.959 her grandmother's doorstep the day she was born, dropped off 145 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:34.480 by a promistuous mother who had no interest in raising her, 146 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.559 nor did her grandmother. She'd already raised her kids. She 147 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.559 has a grandmother, but she had no choice and things 148 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.879 went downhill from there. So she was raised in a 149 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:49.759 home as you saw in the book with it, as 150 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:54.279 June described it, void of love. There was no love 151 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.759 these kids. June at four years old, was making her 152 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:01.799 own sandwiches for her daycare. It was just a very 153 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:08.519 strange and bizarre lifestyle. Or the grandparents basically sat in 154 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:12.440 front of the television from dawn till dusk and didn't 155 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:14.879 pay attention to these kids. And so she had no love, 156 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:19.960 She had no support, she had no encouragement, and that's 157 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.159 I think every kid, or every person, but certainly a 158 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.960 little kid more than anything, you need love and acceptance 159 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.799 and supporting and she got none of that. So she 160 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:32.919 was groomed, I think dan from the beginning to be 161 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:37.320 a victim, as probably many women were, and she needed 162 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.480 love so much that she accepted, you know, whatever came along, 163 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:44.320 and it was crazy people that came along in her 164 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:45.720 life besides her own family. 165 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.600 You say, she got a taste of all kinds of 166 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:56.240 negative and bizarre experiences, including a schizophrenic uncle, Charlie, and 167 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:58.960 then a person that was a police officer but also 168 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:03.840 a proud KKK officer that produced his own moonshine. And 169 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:06.840 you say, and you also talk about that not only 170 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:11.279 were these grandparents not prepared or interested in being grant 171 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.720 being parents to June and her sisters, but they also 172 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:20.720 there were incredibly and unusually quiet people, weren't. 173 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:25.519 They Yeah, they were just they were. They weren't the 174 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:29.799 brightest people either. I think the Jackson's were semi literate 175 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.799 at best, and they were quiet. And as you said, 176 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:39.519 Mary Jackson was a you know, a real Bible thump 177 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.879 from nut. I mean that she she preached the Bible 178 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:47.000 from day and all day long, and to the point 179 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.320 where these kids finally you remember in the story that 180 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.639 the kids finally said we're not We're not going to 181 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:58.080 church anymore, and that completely blew the cork on their 182 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.480 living situation. But yeah, they were quiet, they were impassive, 183 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.320 and they didn't really care what went on. So these 184 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.200 kids a pretty much raised themselves and and uh, you know, 185 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:10.879 how good can you do when you have no support 186 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:15.320 at all. So so that was the environment that June 187 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.120 grew up in. And and as like I said, that 188 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:25.600 was the beginning of of her uh really unusual and 189 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:29.399 desperate need for for love and and and certainly the 190 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.879 reason that she accepted what she did later in life 191 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.799 with these with these abusive people she she was involved with. 192 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:40.000 But let me read you. You know, there's a there's 193 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:43.399 a page in the book that the editor I thought 194 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.120 was an important excerpt. Let me read you this and this. 195 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:47.679 This will tell you a little bit more about June's 196 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.240 state of mind. And this was later on when she 197 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:55.120 was married, uh to, to Jimmy. Beyond the batter or 198 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.039 the abuser. And this is a little quote. I think 199 00:11:58.039 --> 00:11:59.759 it's a good thing to put in right now, I'll 200 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:02.399 read to you. With my pregnancy, I hoped there would 201 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:06.000 be a change in Jimmy's behavior. Two kids, two cars, 202 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:09.279 the American dream would be mine. Jimmy had been calm 203 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.000 during most of my pregnancy, but then one night, when 204 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.679 I was six or seven months pregnant, it all crashed down. 205 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:19.240 Jimmy attacked my oldest daughter, Johnna. I tried to protect her, 206 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:20.639 but he shoved me out of the way and I 207 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.120 fell to the floor. When I crawled over to her 208 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.159 and tried to pull her away, he turned and kicked 209 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:28.200 me in the stomach. I shrieked, not in pain, but 210 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.440 in terror that he would terror that he would kill 211 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.159 the unborn child that was still in me. He slapped 212 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.039 me punched me and kicked me. I tried as hard 213 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.840 as I could to protect my unborn baby. Then Jimmy 214 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:43.000 stopped hitting us and started screaming. He said subjected us 215 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.440 to hours of screaming, terror, and threats of death if 216 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:48.759 I ever got in his way again. When he was 217 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.480 disciplining Jana, he said he'd kill me if I ever 218 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:55.000 ran away. That's one of the first quotes in the book. 219 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.240 So I think it gives you a sense of the 220 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:03.279 environment that you know June fell into after she was 221 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.440 out of the grandparents' home. And that's really what the 222 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.519 book is about. It's a preliminary to the grandparents issue 223 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.440 is preliminary, but once she gets into this relationship with 224 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:18.799 this violent batterer than it's then it gets worse and 225 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:20.759 worse and worse. As you know because you read this book. 226 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:22.759 I wonder if I could just mention a couple of 227 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.360 just things I think are important, A couple of quick 228 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:35.279 statistics I think your listeners might benefit from, dan And 229 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.519 one of them is up here in New England, just 230 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.679 an example, a little small Massachusetts, small state. But you've 231 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:48.559 heard many statistics, but just just just to name a 232 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:55.000 few in Massachusetts, for example, the yearly average is fifty 233 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:59.759 thousand people seeking restraining orders. Fifty not five hundred or 234 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.559 five one thousand, which would be a lot. Fifty thousand 235 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:04.879 in this one little state alone. That's where I am 236 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:08.720 up in New England. So the numbers are astounding. As 237 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.799 far as it's not just June, it had gone through this, 238 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.960 This is all over the place. I read recently a 239 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.320 World Bank study and I got a quote here. It says, quote, 240 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.559 rape and domestic violence deprive women worldwide of more years 241 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:24.759 of healthy life than all forms of cancer combined. 242 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:25.399 Unquote. 243 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:28.440 That's just a stunning statement, you know. But you see 244 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:32.519 much more publicity and fundraising on breast cancer or Alzheimer's 245 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.480 multiple sclerosis in the rest, but domestic violence is much 246 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.679 more prevalent. But the problem is that you can't see it, 247 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:41.639 so it doesn't get the attention. If it doesn't mean 248 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:44.080 it's not there. Well, I think we all know someone 249 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:47.720 who is being emotionally or psychologically battered every day, and 250 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:51.679 it's a sad thing because these people's souls, their hopes, 251 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:54.279 and their dreams like June's. I just read that was 252 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:56.879 the American dream for her. It dies a little more 253 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.919 each time they're battered. So that's one reason I wrote 254 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:02.559 the book. To go back to your very first question. 255 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.759 You know, we've all been psychologically wounded, but we didn't 256 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.120 like it, and it causes tears and fear and self doubt, 257 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.200 and we've all been there, but you don't want to 258 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.519 stay there. It's a terrible place to be. And if 259 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.240 you do stay in that environment, in that situation, and 260 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:19.639 it goes on, and if it goes on for an 261 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.320 extended period of time, you become sick, you know, mentally 262 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:25.200 and physically sick, as was the case with June, which 263 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.600 you all describe a little more about that as we 264 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:32.679 go on here. But so I think I just think 265 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:35.039 it's important to people who realize that this is everywhere. 266 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:38.720 It's a hidden epidemic. It's all over and it's just 267 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:44.480 never obvious. You know, for June beyond, she was a 268 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.120 master at hiding her injuries. For example, people don't know 269 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.159 what domestic violence looks like because they don't see it. 270 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:52.000 You see other. 271 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.039 Murder stories on the TV and what have you, but 272 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.120 you don't see these, You don't. 273 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:57.200 See what these people go through. 274 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.799 She was a master at hiding her injuries. All victims 275 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:03.919 are because they know that the consequences for not covering 276 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:07.759 for their abuser, because the perpetrators of violence are cowards 277 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:11.799 and their self images critical things to them. And above all, 278 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:15.120 they secret, you know, they want secrecy so they's not 279 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.919 going to be found out. And the women comply because 280 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:21.039 they don't want to go through any more hell that 281 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:21.720 they've been through. 282 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.080 So we need to expect that. 283 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.799 We need to explain in this though, as you do 284 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:36.120 brilliantly again by having access to be able to interview June, 285 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.879 is that how she got into the situation that you 286 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:42.720 was so needy is from these grandparents not caring and 287 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:46.720 at crucial times when she thought maybe they would be upset, 288 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.480 she meets a man that's thirty eight years old when 289 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.080 she's fourteen years of age. Tell us what they agree 290 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.919 to instead of what a normal response to with a 291 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.440 fourteen year old and a thirty eight year old and 292 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:03.000 your custodian, your parents. So what happens and this and 293 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.880 you explain a lot of details on how her mentality 294 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.240 shaped her being able to be prone to the advances 295 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:13.640 of these men. First, this man at thirty eight years 296 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.720 old named Ron, and what he was really interested in. 297 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.720 You talk about her unfortunate life to the point where 298 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.240 she gets a dog bites her face, takes a piece 299 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.000 of her face out, and there's a lawsuit involved. Tell 300 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:29.039 us a little bit about this before she meets Jimmy Bryant. 301 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:34.680 Oh that's interesting. Well, all right, Jimmy is friand is 302 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:39.599 how you pronounce it, briand he he was the second husband. 303 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:44.880 June was married at fourteen, which the grandparents were thrilled about. 304 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:47.839 Why would they be thrilled get rid of this burden 305 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:49.839 they'd been carrying around for fourteen years they had no 306 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.880 intention of raising as this child. Remember, and June had 307 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.599 met She was shopping one day and she met this 308 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.000 nice looking fellow and he asked for her phone number 309 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.720 her and before before he had finished even asking for it, 310 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.519 she was already giving the phone number. This is someone's 311 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:07.119 interested in me. 312 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:07.640 Finally. 313 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.400 I've had no interest, no one's interested in me all 314 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.000 my life, and now someone is. So she gave her 315 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.160 phone number. They started a relationship and it turned out 316 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:20.119 this was this was a sexual deviate, This was a 317 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:22.039 This was a creditor. 318 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:26.240 Who talked his. 319 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.160 Way into marrying this fourteen year old kid who the 320 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:35.119 parents were again gave their blessings too, and that became 321 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:43.960 another long story, but that that was basically a a 322 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.160 just a crazy relationship that But again June, well does 323 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.079 she know, she's fourteen years old and she finally has 324 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:53.079 somebody interested in her. And the dog bite you're talking 325 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.240 about was not the main reason that this guy married her. 326 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.440 But it was one reason because he knew there was 327 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:02.200 a lawsuit involved and there may be some money coming 328 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.920 her way. But the main reason was for sex. That's 329 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:07.160 that was the reason for her. And eventually he left her. 330 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:12.759 So that was another example of someone who was primed 331 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:19.039 and and and ripe for being taken advantage of because 332 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:23.039 she needed love so bad. And then came to your 333 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:26.240 mor beyond after that marriage failed after a couple of years, 334 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.759 which and this continues going downhill. As I said at 335 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:32.920 the beginning, after her mother dropped her off at day 336 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:35.720 one at the grandmother's house, her life went downhill into 337 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.119 this horrible ending was ended up in a murder. 338 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:43.519 The thing is, though, in between this that you say, 339 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.359 it gradually gets worse her life, but there are times 340 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:49.279 when she is very optimistic. She has a child, she 341 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:51.960 gets married, she does things that she wanted to do 342 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.240 so badly in need of attention. She had some confidence 343 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.519 from success at work, and so she was getting out 344 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:05.119 social meeting people, gaining confidence. And yet this marriage here 345 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:10.000 to this ron ended and then she had a child. 346 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:13.640 So tell us the circumstances that she was in, the 347 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:18.440 situation she was in, and how Jimmy and she met. 348 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:27.079 She So, after the first marriage ended, her mother whom 349 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:32.319 she rarely saw, but now June is sixteen years old 350 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.279 and they had a little more contact, and her mother 351 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:39.680 invited her to go to her favorite local dive, her 352 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:45.960 bar in the Crummy Bar in New Hampshire where this 353 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:50.839 is the day after and June had left her husband. 354 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:54.319 And the next day they go to the bar, and 355 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.440 who is at the bar of all the bad luck 356 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:59.519 you could asked for it, Jimmy Briond is at the 357 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.119 bar and she meets and he comes over and introduces himself. 358 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:05.319 And that's the beginning of the second relationship, the day 359 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.720 after the first one ended. So that's how that happened. 360 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.240 Her mother Drugger to her favorite crummie bar in New 361 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.920 Hampshire in the basement of an old storage building, and 362 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.000 that was the beginning of that relationship. To answer your question. 363 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:25.759 Yeah, and the thing is too you talk about the 364 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:28.680 incident that Jimmy seemed to be much different than the 365 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:32.200 deviant that she had married previously, and at first, again, 366 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:35.079 can only compare people to other people, and so she 367 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:39.000 thought he was quite tender and gentle. And then there's 368 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:42.720 an incident with his ex name Cheryl and his daughter. 369 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:45.880 So tell us about what happens here and how the 370 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.519 family grows by virtue of this incident. 371 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:52.559 Well, this is when they had decided to they'd only 372 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.319 been together a few months before they got married. And 373 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.480 one day there's a phone call there and they're living 374 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:04.559 together now, and there's a phone call by uh Cheryl 375 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:09.119 saying that she wanted to meet Jimmy at a restaurant. 376 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.240 Didn't know why, June didn't know who Cheryl was. They 377 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:17.440 drove to the restaurant and Cheryl UH came over to 378 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:21.440 the car and handed the couple jim Jimmy and June 379 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.519 the kid did I don't want the kid anymore? That 380 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:28.200 was that was Jimmy's kid with this Cheryl girl who 381 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:29.160 was not his wife. 382 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:31.079 And so now she has. 383 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:33.519 Two kids, or she had one kid, and then she 384 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:34.799 canna have another halfter. 385 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:34.880 But. 386 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:41.519 Uh, so, do you see the kind of element we're 387 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:42.240 talking about here? 388 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:42.839 These people? 389 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:45.680 People give away kids, People don't care if you have 390 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:51.359 an education or not. You have a racist uncles. So 391 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.400 this is the environment this woman was brought up and 392 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:55.200 and you. 393 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:56.400 Know, I interviewed her. 394 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:00.400 Over a two year period. I just want to tell 395 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.759 you a little bit more about this and move this along. 396 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:04.319 I feel like that's the other things I want to 397 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.880 read to you. And I read through dozens of legal 398 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:12.359 file boxes containing police reports and legal documents, sociologist reports, 399 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:16.680 psychologists evaluations, and so I know ugly know the facts, 400 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:18.400 and I feel that I came to know the batter 401 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.519