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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Anna, Welcome to Reality TV craz the Podcast. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Dahlia and I'm here with my real tight

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<v Speaker 1>homegirl and my daughter in law, the Beautiful and the

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<v Speaker 1>newly thirty dirty thirty Beat.

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<v Speaker 2>That's me. I'm old.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to say that, but you're so can't relate.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here to talk, sister Westood. As we're currently in

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<v Speaker 1>season ten. We're doing a rewind. We're in the Akashuk

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<v Speaker 1>Brown Records and I'm excited to do the recap. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into it, we do have to issue

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<v Speaker 1>you a very necessary disclaimer. Please, you better had your wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you better hide those kids. I'm coming for

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<v Speaker 1>those kids. Now. This isn't a reverend podcast obviously, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>we're stupid, we have dumb opinions, we frequently use fulgarity,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just idiots. We don't give idiots on the

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<v Speaker 1>internet having fun for real girls just want to have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're a sensitive.

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<v Speaker 2>Get out of here, you little meby.

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<v Speaker 1>You might want to find yourself another dumpster, go poop

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<v Speaker 1>in your diaper. But if you're ready to go to

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<v Speaker 1>therapy Mary and Janelle and work it all out and Nancy, God,

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<v Speaker 1>what a dud then welcome to this dumpster.

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<v Speaker 1>And also don't ever forget to hypergirls up. Please you

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<v Speaker 1>And so thank you in thank you Now, Before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into our recap, I always like to ask whether

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<v Speaker 1>you have any takeaways.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my first takeaway is that we've heard so much

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<v Speaker 2>about Mary Janelle's relationship and I'm just like, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like how it was framed at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of this episode, as if like Mary has no fault

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<v Speaker 2>and the reason why their relationship is bad. It kind

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<v Speaker 2>of felt like to me, like Mary was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>pawning it off on Janelle, and you know, she just

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't talk to me, and like, I care, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to work on things, but she keeps rejecting me. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, why is that? Maybe because you're a

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<v Speaker 2>mean old bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe because you're actually technically abusive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Marry, just the thought.

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<v Speaker 1>So my takeaway is really uncharitable and rude. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just that I can't stand anytime I see Robin's mother. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. There's something about her aura that's

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<v Speaker 1>very gargoyle a little bit. It's very she's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the puppet master behind Robin, the puppet master, Like she

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<v Speaker 1>taught her how to be the hoe. I see how

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<v Speaker 1>you be the hoe and take over the whole family.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time she walks into a scene, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, yeah, she doesn't give me good vibes me either.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's my only take That's all I got. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>without further ado, let's get into our recap. I have

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<v Speaker 1>Sister Wives Season ten, episode three.

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<v Speaker 2>And to tit tit confessions, and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>we're confessing here. Oh, because we start off like the

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<v Speaker 2>first half of the episode is Janelle and Mary talking

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<v Speaker 2>about their relationship, and a lot of it we've heard before.

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<v Speaker 2>They're complete opposites. They had a lot of issues. In

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, we talk about like how Janelle kind of

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<v Speaker 2>came into the family. She was married to Mary's brother

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<v Speaker 2>for a ripe eleven months and then dumped him and

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<v Speaker 2>then immediately got with Cody, and Mary was jealous about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know this, but what we're skating around is

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Mary took out her jealousy on Janelle

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<v Speaker 2>a lot and was super mean, and then that caused

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<v Speaker 2>a toxic, unhealthy family environment for everyone involved. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>just Mary and Janelle that we're suffering this, it was

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else. And I don't know, like we're we're just

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<v Speaker 2>like dancing around, like the core issues. We briefly talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Mary with her catfish and how she's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still working on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we get back to that. That's the whole reason

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in season ten and excited is to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the catfish. But once again, it's the whole episode where

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<v Speaker 1>we're not dealing with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's on purpose. I think we're doing a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of other things to distract the public and distract

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else from the fact that Mary had a full

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<v Speaker 2>on emotional affair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if Robin and Kendra and even Cody kind

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<v Speaker 1>of were behind the scenes during the Catfish sort of

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<v Speaker 1>egging it on or whatever, or participating in some way

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<v Speaker 1>with the Catfish, why would they be doing that if

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want anybody to know about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe because they thought that they wouldn't get negative publicity

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<v Speaker 2>from it, But I bet you even back then, people

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<v Speaker 2>were coming for Cody and Robin and being like, why

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<v Speaker 2>would Mary even feel this way? I feel like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people have been kind of on Mary's side

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<v Speaker 2>with it, Like you can acknowledge that she cheated and

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<v Speaker 2>that was wrong obviously, and having an emotional affair is

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<v Speaker 2>not good when you're still a married woman. But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like even people back then saw the writing on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall and saw that Cody was favoring Robin and

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<v Speaker 2>that he was being a piece of shit, And so

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's why they're like pivoting away from it, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Mary is just super shameful and doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it, which I guess is fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, but I mean, I wish they would talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it more. But that's the story of our life

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<v Speaker 1>and skipping ahead and I won't be labor it. But

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<v Speaker 1>when we get to the therapy session, like are we

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<v Speaker 1>even talking about anything? Like we're not talking about anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's real. What we know about what actually went down

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<v Speaker 1>with Mary and Janelle we kind of learned in the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of current seasons from Janelle and Mary, like

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Sukanya and from Christine's book, actually, and it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like it was really awful. It sounds like Mary

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<v Speaker 1>again was legit abusive. And then as you were mentioning

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to steal your thunder because you

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<v Speaker 1>should probably bring this up with the catfish in her book,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, what did she say? She said that Mary

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<v Speaker 1>had told her Jackie, who was at the time pretending

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<v Speaker 1>to be a dude Sam, Mary had told her that

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<v Speaker 1>Janelle and Mary got into such a terrible fight way

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day, in the beginning of their marriages,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Janelle actually punched Mary in.

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<v Speaker 2>Her belly, pregnant belly, her pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>Belly, and it was unforgivable and from that moment on

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<v Speaker 1>for Mary, she couldn't go back with Janelle and so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, like, what year is that, because Janelle, Mary's Cody.

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<v Speaker 1>Three years into Mary's marriage with Cody, Janelle proceeds to

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<v Speaker 1>immediately start getting prego, but it takes Mary a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Christine comes into the family immediately starts getting prego, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Mary gets pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel think Leon was after like two or three kids, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was like Logan and then Maddie and then

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<v Speaker 2>I think as has been and I want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>like Leon is like the fourth or fifth or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So Mary was sitting back for a while seething

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<v Speaker 1>without a child.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So but like by the time she's pregnant with Leon,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been together, like Janelle's been in the family maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Of years, yeah, to three years.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just I don't know. I just I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know more. And of course, current year of Our Lord,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six, we've got Leon out on the internet,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Yeah, trying to share their story of

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<v Speaker 1>their upbringing and basically saying nothing. We have Christine giving

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<v Speaker 1>some tidbits in her book, but like we just really

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<v Speaker 1>don't have anybody speaking openly about what happened. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>a drag Beatrice.

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<v Speaker 2>I really feel like the only people in the family

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<v Speaker 2>that have said anything kind of outing Mary have been

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<v Speaker 2>Christine a little bit in her book and Maddie on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter or whatever that has MICHELTI since been deleted a

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<v Speaker 2>ma Chelt. So like, we have these snippets, and to

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<v Speaker 2>me and to everybody who's heard this, I'm like, it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like Mary was really bad. And you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, Mary talks about it like, yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, say things, would just say what came

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<v Speaker 2>to my mind. And Janelle didn't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's not that's not the full truth, as

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<v Speaker 1>if that was what her problem was. Yeah, here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I contributed to the toxic vibration of the relationship. I

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<v Speaker 1>was very direct because I come from a father who

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<v Speaker 1>was a very good communicator, and so that's just who

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<v Speaker 1>I am. M I'm like, elaborate what else.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like the verbiage that she's using to frame it,

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<v Speaker 2>like to say that you're very direct is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>a negative trait, But to say like, yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 2>verbally abusive, like that would be telling the full truth

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, cause you can be direct and

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<v Speaker 2>verbally abusive. You can be sure, direct and very mean,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can also be direct and kind about it,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can be honest with kindness. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>Mary is annoying me in this episode because she's not

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<v Speaker 2>saying the full truth and she keeps putting it on

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<v Speaker 2>Janelle and like blaming Janelle for shutting down, for not

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to talk about things, for having to just think

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<v Speaker 2>about it for a few minutes of like how she

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<v Speaker 2>wants to articulate her feelings or what she's act actually feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Mary blames her for that and it's really gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just don't like that at all. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just wish that Mary could, I don't know, tell the

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<v Speaker 2>truth for once in her life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or have some self reflection. And I guess when

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<v Speaker 1>we get to therapy there is a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>self reflection, but it seems a bit forced.

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<v Speaker 2>It's super superficial.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also sad that it took these ladies twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>to come to some very basic psychological understanding of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's my other issue with it, is that

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<v Speaker 2>we're also skating across the idea that what these women

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<v Speaker 2>are actually feeling is jealousy over one another because they're

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<v Speaker 2>having to share their husband because they're in this like weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know that Janelle was jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>Though probably not, but she probably felt like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Mary, like why are you even upset with me?

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<v Speaker 2>Like we join this religion for a reason, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the tenet of our religion.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and Janelle says in this episode, I came into

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<v Speaker 1>this marriage and I thought like it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be so awesome because I was getting along with Mary

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew Mary.

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<v Speaker 2>But nope, and now I appreciate in this episode, even

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<v Speaker 2>though she's got her own issues obviously, like she's at

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<v Speaker 2>it and everything would work out fine and we'd have

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<v Speaker 2>no issues whatsoever. And you know, I underestimated that. And

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<v Speaker 2>she talks about how she's learning about herself now that

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<v Speaker 2>she does shut down. She checks out that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>healthy way of communicating. She wants to be better about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's uncomfortable for her. It's like something she's not

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<v Speaker 2>used to doing. And then we talk about like Christine

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<v Speaker 2>this calming element, and even Cody says this, like Christine

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<v Speaker 2>definitely brought in this calming energy, this grounding energy to

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<v Speaker 2>this chaosome between Mary and Janelle. Christine had to be

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<v Speaker 2>to communicate for them to each other, which is just crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wonder how Christine actually feels about being in

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<v Speaker 2>resent that after a while, because like, get a grip.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, y'all are adults.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. And so they're gonna end up going to

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<v Speaker 2>therapy with Nancy, who's like probably the worst therapist I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen in my life. But before that, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to do Robin's dumbass baby shower.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we have even one episode that's not centered on Robin.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing that I thought was interesting was that

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<v Speaker 2>we had Mindy, Robin's niece, Oh yes, interviewed a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit in this episode because she's helping Christine plan this

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<v Speaker 2>baby shower, and we have like a little interstitial with

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<v Speaker 2>Mindy kind of talking about plural marriage and how she

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<v Speaker 2>grew up around it. She's very familiar with it, and

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<v Speaker 2>she says something like, you know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things that the Browns do that are that's inspiring to

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<v Speaker 2>me with plural marriage, Like, I feel like they do

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<v Speaker 2>some things right, but there's things that I would do differently,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not perfect, and I wouldn't live plural marriage myself,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, you know, it seems like they're good people

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<v Speaker 2>and they're trying their best. And I was like, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting because it seems like Mindy is primarily around

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<v Speaker 2>like Robin and Cody, Yes, and so if she's observing

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<v Speaker 2>the family from Robin and Cody's vantage point, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you seeing what they're doing wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are you like it's probably all being filtered through

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<v Speaker 1>being catfished and Christine being insecure and Janelle being this

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<v Speaker 1>or that, So that's probably what it's based on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes. Yeah, I just thought that was an interesting little

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<v Speaker 2>tidbit there. But we're having everybody get ready for the

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<v Speaker 2>baby shower, and Christine's going all out, like she's got

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<v Speaker 2>all these decorations, she's got.

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<v Speaker 1>The table cloths, she's having fun, she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Having so much fun. We know Christine loves to plan

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<v Speaker 2>a party. Janelle is like, I'm overwhelmed already, but I'll

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<v Speaker 2>bring cupcakes or whatever. So she brings cupcakes over and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really sweet. And the whole time we're decorating for

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<v Speaker 2>this baby shower, I'm just thinking to myself, how can

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<v Speaker 2>Robin say that the family didn't accept her? And like,

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<v Speaker 2>how can Robin say to this day that they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>care about her, they didn't accept her, they didn't love

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<v Speaker 2>her when they threw this huge baby shower for her baby, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have to do that if they didn't like her,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did and it was really fun. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when Robin comes over for the ultimate baby shower, like

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<v Speaker 2>she comes over with kind of a mean face a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. She's like kind of dour, but then she

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<v Speaker 2>ends up having some fun. They play some games or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, oh, it was like a good time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the family loves you.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the deal in season twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're rewriting history. It's their revisionist history. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like I also wonder whether all of these family celebrations

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<v Speaker 1>are actually driven by production, Like, Okay, we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>do another event. It's like this the Real Housewives. They're

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<v Speaker 1>always going to some Housewives dinner or some Housewives party,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of the scene of the drama that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>So it kind of feels a little bit like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe if if I'm playing demon Devil's advocate, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Robin looks back at this point and says, well, that

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<v Speaker 1>was all disingenuous. That was just for the show. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really want to do any.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that even then, And like, Robin, look at yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>though you stole all these women's husband.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing for any of the other wives? No,

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<v Speaker 1>for real, I don't really see any of that from you.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't seen you plan anything for them. Actually, like

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<v Speaker 2>literally nothing you get but her. When Mary wants to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to college, you don't do anything to support her.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, baby shower's cute or whatever. She's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a baby, girl, it's gonna be a she sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care either.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the last portion of the episode is Janelle

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<v Speaker 2>and Mary finally going to therapy with Nancy, who is

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<v Speaker 2>totally dud. Like you said at the beginning of this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>she's such a dud. And Janelle starts off therapy being like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want this to turn into something where we

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<v Speaker 2>have to rehash the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, stop, Yeah, I mean I don't think that's how

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<v Speaker 1>therapy works. No, And I think if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>long standing, two decade old issue with somebody that has

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of abuse and miscommunication, like you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe dig into what the problem was. Janelle, you're so avoidant.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to talk about any of that. You

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<v Speaker 1>just want to work on like the building blocks for

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<v Speaker 1>a new relationship. Well that's not realistic.

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<v Speaker 2>And Mary calls that out in therapy. She's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't understand how that can really work if we

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<v Speaker 2>don't talk about the past, like we do have to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of work through some of that. And then Nancy

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<v Speaker 2>comes in saying, well, if you want to reconstruct like

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<v Speaker 2>a present what does she say if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>reconstruct a present and future relationship? You know, the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we can talk about the past is saying when

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't feel safe?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, can we got the word safe?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not why? Well, because she physically assaulted me, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel safe literally because she was verbally abusive to

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<v Speaker 1>me and called me names. I don't feel safe, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me why you're not safe. Yeah, let's bring it

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<v Speaker 1>into the light. Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>these people are constantly in the shadows and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>hide the truth from us obviously, but I think also

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<v Speaker 1>from themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh totally. And you're right that Janelle is completely avoidant

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<v Speaker 2>and like Mary is too in her own way. I

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<v Speaker 2>think everybody in this family is kind of avoidant in

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<v Speaker 2>some way, shape or form. Christine doesn't seem to be well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean like the opiate's.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I mean she's okay, I guess, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>like to want to engage in because she does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she is more expressive, and even in Mary's regards,

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<v Speaker 2>she is a little bit more expressive than somebody like Janelle. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Mary doesn't express in the right way or in like

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy way. She expresses lies, yes, but like she

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<v Speaker 2>at least kind of brings up some of her feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>Janelle did frustrate me with that comment a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, girl, that's not what therapy is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I have known people in my life, like friends and

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<v Speaker 2>people I've encountered who have said that to me, been like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go to therapy because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about my past because what does my

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<v Speaker 2>past have to do with what I'm going through in

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<v Speaker 2>my life?

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<v Speaker 1>Literally?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything, literally everything, Like you have to talk about it, right, like,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it sucks, it's gonna bring up painful

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<v Speaker 2>shit and it's gonna get worse before it gets better,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, you do have to talk about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Janelle, if I'm to play a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>Devil's advocate, I think Janelle said that because she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want shit to escalate with Mary, because probably talking about

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<v Speaker 2>their past issues causes more fights between her and Mary

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<v Speaker 2>and Mary Janelle doesn't want to deal with that, Like

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't want to deal with conflict. She especially doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to deal with Mary being super direct with her.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's Janelle's words. Janelle's like, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with your directness because I take offense to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because she's mean. But we talk in therapy about really nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about how different they are in their communication styles.

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<v Speaker 2>We have this like little exercize where Nancy's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you guys to switch roles and talk as

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And Janelle is nervous about this because she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to offend Mary. But this is a process

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to do. I'm sure in relationship therapy

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<v Speaker 2>you just kind of have to think about it from

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<v Speaker 2>the other person's perspective, because I think Nancy says something

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<v Speaker 2>to Mary like, you can't assume what somebody is going

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<v Speaker 2>through in their mind or what they're thinking, because then

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to attach yourself to that and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>actually reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And she also says, well, I think Mary is

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<v Speaker 1>worried because she's like, well, I don't want to impersonate

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<v Speaker 1>Janelle because I only have my thoughts of who Janelle is.

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<v Speaker 1>And Nancy says, well, that's a good place to start,

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<v Speaker 1>because you can reveal what your thoughts are on Janelle

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<v Speaker 1>and then we can kind of deal with it from there.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was helpful. But I just felt like both

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<v Speaker 1>ladies were so nice to the other, like they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually speak in the voice of the other person in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that was indicative of the conflict that has

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<v Speaker 1>happened between them. Yeah, Like if I were Janelle, I

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<v Speaker 1>would have maybe mirrored some of the abusive languaging that

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<v Speaker 1>Mary has been using over the years, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>have brought that out, but this is a fake therapy session,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, And so we're just not going to deal

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<v Speaker 1>in realities, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, we're just going to be there on the

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<v Speaker 2>bush and we're just going to talk about how we

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<v Speaker 2>just have different communication styles and like that's the issue,

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<v Speaker 2>not the fact that Mary's a bully and Janelle's conflict

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<v Speaker 2>of wouldn't We're going to talk about, well, I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how to communicate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just who we are as people. And that's perfectly okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And that drives me nuts because there's sometimes like your

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<v Speaker 1>Just because that's who you are, and objectively it's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Like just because that's who you are, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that you have to stay that way. Like some

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<v Speaker 2>day you can change, you can grow as a person.

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<v Speaker 2>You can learn to be more expressive, or you can

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<v Speaker 2>learn to be a little bit more like patient and

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<v Speaker 2>listen to people. Like I don't know why we have

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<v Speaker 2>to just be like I'm Mary and I'm direct and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm honest, and that's just how I'm to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to apologize for it because I'm awesome, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>great therapy. We really changed to shift a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't stand there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's stupid.

420
00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.359
<v Speaker 2>And then we hear from Cody and his interstitials while

421
00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:14.039
<v Speaker 2>they're at therapy.

422
00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:16.640
<v Speaker 1>He's not hopeful, no, for these two ladies.

423
00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:20.759
<v Speaker 2>He literally is like Janella and Mary are completely different

424
00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:23.119
<v Speaker 2>people in every single way. Like the only thing they

425
00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:24.519
<v Speaker 2>have in common is that they're both women.

426
00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.000
<v Speaker 1>They have a long road ahead of them, and at

427
00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.960
<v Speaker 1>some point he says something like all I can really

428
00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:35.119
<v Speaker 1>do is pray to have the faith that they can change. Yeah,

429
00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.519
<v Speaker 1>not pray that they can change, Pray that I can

430
00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:41.319
<v Speaker 1>even believe for a second that they can change, because

431
00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:43.799
<v Speaker 1>at this point I don't have that belief at all.

432
00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:49.119
<v Speaker 1>And I honestly think that hinges on Mary because Cody

433
00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.599
<v Speaker 1>detests Mary. And this is all going to come out,

434
00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I think, in this next this season and next season,

435
00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.400
<v Speaker 1>because he's going to sit down and counseling with Mary

436
00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:01.440
<v Speaker 1>and we're really going to see the scope of his emotions. Yeah,

437
00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and he is angry, and he's been angry the entire marriage.

438
00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Now, let me ask you that, because do you think

439
00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Cody was fed up before he met Robin, like fed

440
00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:13.519
<v Speaker 2>up with Mary before he met Robin. Or do you

441
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.319
<v Speaker 2>think that when he met Robin and realized that love

442
00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:17.759
<v Speaker 2>could be like so, I do.

443
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Not think it was an epiphany.

444
00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Nope.

445
00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.039
<v Speaker 1>I think that they were fighting the entire time. I

446
00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:24.480
<v Speaker 1>think Mary was a problem the entire time. I think

447
00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.839
<v Speaker 1>we have Cody in the upcoming therapy session saying something like,

448
00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:30.960
<v Speaker 1>you lied to me. Yeah, and he never explains what

449
00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Mary lied to him about, but he says something like,

450
00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.240
<v Speaker 1>you lied to me from the beginning, as if the

451
00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:40.240
<v Speaker 1>very premise of their marriage, the reason he proposed in

452
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:43.279
<v Speaker 1>the first place, was based on a lie. That was

453
00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:46.559
<v Speaker 1>my impression when I saw that particular therapy session which

454
00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.680
<v Speaker 1>is coming up in the future. So it's like Mary

455
00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:54.000
<v Speaker 1>from the very beginning has done something wrong in his eyes.

456
00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:58.039
<v Speaker 2>What do you think it would be with your fake psychic.

457
00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Don't I don't know. Oh, I mean maybe maybe Mary said, yes,

458
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I think we should have a plural family. Yes, I'm

459
00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.200
<v Speaker 1>really into it and I'm supportive of it and I

460
00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.640
<v Speaker 1>want it. And then we bring in Janelle and Mary

461
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:16.200
<v Speaker 1>proceeds to abuse Janelle, and Cody's like, what are you doing?

462
00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:18.599
<v Speaker 1>You lied? And now our entire family is going to

463
00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.759
<v Speaker 1>be fucked up because of it. But I don't know.

464
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:23.400
<v Speaker 1>It could be something different than that. And I always

465
00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:26.079
<v Speaker 1>wondered that, And I'm wondering if you're out there, for example,

466
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:28.759
<v Speaker 1>if you're on YouTube and you remember the therapy session

467
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:31.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about, what do you think Cody was referencing

468
00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:32.640
<v Speaker 1>when he said that.

469
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Because I could kind of see that, and you know,

470
00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:37.359
<v Speaker 2>from Cody's like dumb perspective, maybe it is something like,

471
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, he thought Mary would be okay with plural marriage,

472
00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and so then he starts getting all these whys.

473
00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she wasn't a virgin, Oh.

474
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:46.160
<v Speaker 2>My god, but he wasn't either.

475
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a gay lover. But I mean there's such a

476
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.799
<v Speaker 1>double standard in all religion, but particularly Mormonism. That actually

477
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.759
<v Speaker 1>happened to one of my husbands. I won't just close

478
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:58.119
<v Speaker 1>with one because I don't want it to be traced

479
00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to anybody. Yeah, but he married a woman who said

480
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>she was a virgin and he was a virgin, and

481
00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:08.279
<v Speaker 1>she turned out he married her Catholic boy.

482
00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>And then he didn't find out until they were fugging.

483
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Like three years later later she was not a virgin.

484
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:17.720
<v Speaker 1>That's horrible. Yeah, so it could be something like that.

485
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Well, but Cody, you had a gay.

486
00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Lover, so like well, and maybe the agreement was that

487
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Mary would peg him and she did.

488
00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that was the lie you betrayed me. You didn't

489
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:30.839
<v Speaker 2>put it on my head.

490
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't know, God, but there's something bigger there. Yeah.

491
00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:37.559
<v Speaker 1>It hasn't been written in a book, but it is

492
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:42.559
<v Speaker 1>constantly implied. M And it's also in the energy. Like

493
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Cody does not like Mary, it doesn't like Christine as well.

494
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:50.079
<v Speaker 1>But with Christine he's revolted. Yeah, like he's grossed out

495
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.400
<v Speaker 1>by Christine for whatever reason. And if you read Christine's book,

496
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:55.759
<v Speaker 1>which by the way, we cover on Patreon. We did

497
00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>four separate episodes like an hour a pop. In christine book,

498
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:05.359
<v Speaker 1>she talks about when they got married and started having

499
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 1>the sexicals like Cody would make her wear her Mormon underwear, yeah,

500
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>or like be almost fully clothed, and it's probably because

501
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.440
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't stand to see her body. I think Cody

502
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.440
<v Speaker 1>has been revolted by Christine from the beginning, and he's

503
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 1>been angry at Mary from the beginning.

504
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I can see that.

505
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:29.599
<v Speaker 1>And remember in the last season, I know this is

506
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:32.839
<v Speaker 1>a tangent. But do you remember during his apology tour

507
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.039
<v Speaker 1>when he goes to see Janelle and he's like, I

508
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:39.920
<v Speaker 1>really should have protected you. Like we had something really special,

509
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:42.839
<v Speaker 1>me and you, and I didn't protect it from that

510
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.279
<v Speaker 1>awful monster Mary. So I mean, I think I think

511
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that's how he felt about I think he only loved

512
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Janelle until Robin came along.

513
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I've seen people comment on our YouTube, on

514
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.799
<v Speaker 2>various other videos saying that, like Janelle was the original

515
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Robin in that he favored her probably over the other

516
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.119
<v Speaker 2>two wives, and then Robin came along, and then she

517
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.359
<v Speaker 2>became his favorite. And I could see that, and you know,

518
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:09.920
<v Speaker 2>we could have a conversation all day every day about

519
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.839
<v Speaker 2>why that would be the case. But like if Mary's

520
00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:17.039
<v Speaker 2>crazy and Christine's crazy, then yeah, like probably, yeah, Janelle

521
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:18.759
<v Speaker 2>is probably gonna be the favorite wife because she has

522
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.000
<v Speaker 2>been kind of calm, cool, collected. She's totally Torrian in

523
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:24.920
<v Speaker 2>this episode. I feel like, yeah, not in the avoidant sense.

524
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just like a Taurus will tell you how they feel, sure.

525
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>The bull, but like in the sense of I just

526
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>want everything to be okay. Like after therapy, they go

527
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.319
<v Speaker 2>shopping for Thanksgiving decorations, and Chanelle says something really sweet

528
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.480
<v Speaker 2>where she's just like, you know, I really love the holidays.

529
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.359
<v Speaker 2>I want everybody to be together, even if I'm a

530
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>little delusional in thinking that we could all just fake

531
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>it for a day, Like I really just want to

532
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 2>have the holidays. I want everybody to be at home

533
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and enjoy good food and enjoy family because that's what

534
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.680
<v Speaker 2>it's all about. And that I'm like, that's really sweet.

535
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>And Mary says something like Janelle's always been for the family,

536
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Like despite all of their calm, despite any conflicts that

537
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 2>they've had in the family, Janelle has always been rooted

538
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.920
<v Speaker 2>in the family unit, which is really important. Similar to Christine,

539
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Like Christine was always about the kids and stuff, even

540
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>though she wasn't necessarily a perfect mom and she was

541
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>high on opiates for a period of time, she was

542
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 2>also very much about the family. And I think that's

543
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.240
<v Speaker 2>why Cody kept those women on it in particular the longest,

544
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:27.759
<v Speaker 2>because they did kind of maintain the illusion of this

545
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 2>plural marriage thing can kind of work, like, oh, we'll

546
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.319
<v Speaker 2>have all the kids around and we'll have our houses

547
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and we'll pretend like we're a happy family because We've

548
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>got these other women that are helping the facade while

549
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm fucking my main bitch and my mc mansion with

550
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:42.640
<v Speaker 2>all of her dolls watching me.

551
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, you know it's true. Yeah, I can totally

552
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I can totally see that.

553
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Speaker 2>So we conclude Mary and Janelle's like dumb fake therapy

554
00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.079
<v Speaker 2>session by Nancy saying something like, you guys both have

555
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 2>unique strengths that if you guys actually want to work

556
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.799
<v Speaker 2>on your relationship together, you can help each other. You

557
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>can help each other grow, but you know, you have

558
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 2>to try, you have to want to have a better

559
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>relationship with each other, and maybe we can do that.

560
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 2>And like you said, Cody says, they have a long road.

561
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:21.720
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't seem very hopeful about it. And of course

562
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>we know in twenty twenty six, like they don't really have.

563
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 1>A relationship together, the same relationship.

564
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.680
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty terrible. And like it was interesting because Mary

565
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 2>in this episode has a comment about, you know, despite

566
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>everything that Janelle and I have gone through, I know

567
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>that if it came down to it, Janelle would have

568
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>my back.

569
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>And Janelle says the same thing about Mary.

570
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 2>And it's really interesting because we see in twenty twenty six,

571
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Janelle did have Mary's back, but I was thinking.

572
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Did she I have about the property that she wanted

573
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>to sell out from under Mary? Maybe, but she warned.

574
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Her about the divorce, She warned her about the property

575
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>situation before all of that, and there was a lot

576
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>of gray area with that. But I'm like, did Mary

577
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:00.799
<v Speaker 2>have Janelle's back? I don't think so.

578
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so either, certainly not in the last

579
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>couple of years Mary was about Mary. I also wanted

580
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to point out at the baby shower, Jen was there,

581
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Jen Mary's friend. Oh I didn't notice from current seasons,

582
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 1>which kind of speaks to the question that we've been asking, like,

583
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>did Mary not have any friends during the Catfish that

584
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>she could have been talking to about this? She certainly did.

585
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>One of those people was Jen, and I wouldn't be

586
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>a bit surprised if Jen was encouraging her to do it.

587
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean's like, yes, girl, go get it, get out

588
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>of this cocked up family. You don't need to be

589
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.359
<v Speaker 1>in this family, which ties into Janelle talking in our

590
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>last season in the tell Alls with Sue Kanya talking

591
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>about how Jen told Janelle that Gent told Mary take

592
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 1>the money and run. Oh yeah, maybe it's all around.

593
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's happening around this time in the season.

594
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my god, there's so much behind the scenes that

595
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:55.519
<v Speaker 2>you just not letting on.

596
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like that meme with all the things and trying

597
00:29:58.519 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to figure out.

598
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's so many pieces that we have to piece

599
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>together out of all these seasons. It's crazy. So after therapy,

600
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 2>then Mary and Janelle decide to go shopping for Thanksgiving and.

601
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Darry She's immediately annoyed with Janelle for just being a

602
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>normal person having fun picking out a wreath.

603
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Like this is the problem. Like Mary can't just like

604
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 2>chill the fuck out.

605
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>But I think she can when she's out with like

606
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Jen and she's out with her other friends and her

607
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.599
<v Speaker 1>wine moms, Like I think she can be a good

608
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>friend at Disneyland. But if it's Christine or if it's Janelle,

609
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 1>she just can't do it.

610
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if it's because these are her

611
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.880
<v Speaker 2>sister wives and so she's jealous of them, and so

612
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 2>she's just angry and resentful of them in general for

613
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>just fucking her husband while she's celibate, Like she doesn't

614
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 2>get to have her Punini touch. She's sucking on a

615
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 2>banana just to get some relief. It's like, maybe that's

616
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the reason, But I don't know if it's because of

617
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.000
<v Speaker 2>that or if it's because her friends that she surrounds

618
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 2>herself with communicate to her in a way that she

619
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 2>finds acceptable, because it does seem like Janelle gets annoy

620
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 2>by these women and how they express themselves and how

621
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:03.839
<v Speaker 2>they communicate.

622
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>And that's what's frustrating to me, Like you have to

623
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:07.519
<v Speaker 1>marry Mary gets annoyed.

624
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:08.880
<v Speaker 2>By it, Yeah, okay, And you have to be able

625
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 2>to like accept that people are different from you, like

626
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna think like you Capricorn.

627
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 1>And furthermore, Janelle was being really cute and sweet, and

628
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm just not like Janelle to care about decorations for Thanksgiving.

629
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>And she's kind of going out on a limb and

630
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>she's wanting to do it with you because Mary, you're

631
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>big into decorations. And so she finds this wreath and

632
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>this little boutique and she's like should I get it?

633
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Should I not get it? And Mary becomes exasperated with her,

634
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, oh my god, just get the wreaths,

635
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>like it's not a big deal. I'm like, and that's

636
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.759
<v Speaker 1>that's the problem, Like you don't have any grace for Janelle.

637
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 1>And it's because of everything that has come before. It's

638
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 1>not just because Mary's an awful person, although that too, yeah,

639
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 1>but it's also because of the two decades that preceded

640
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>this moment in which they've been having this terrible problem

641
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.599
<v Speaker 1>which they won't talk about at all.

642
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>And watching this actually made me have some self reflection

643
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 2>for how I was when I was a teenagers. Like

644
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>watching this behavior from a forty four year old for real,

645
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 2>but like watching this behavior from a forty four year

646
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>old woman was so unbecoming because I acted like this

647
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>to my little sister when I was a.

648
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Teen My god, just get the wreath already.

649
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Literally, Like I was like that with my sister, who

650
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.799
<v Speaker 2>was a very like methodical kind of a person. She

651
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 2>did have to think about things for a while, and

652
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.759
<v Speaker 2>she did things a certain way. Uh aries, but she's

653
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 2>a Libra moon, I think, no librerizing. Oh okay, she's

654
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>a Sagittarius moon though.

655
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, so.

656
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.079
<v Speaker 2>We didn't but heads a lot of powder cake, yeah,

657
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.279
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but growing up, like she would do

658
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>things a certain way and it would drive me nuts

659
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 2>because I'm like that's the wrong way to do it.

660
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I would get super stubborn about it, and I would

661
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of act like Mary. I would get really exacerbated

662
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.599
<v Speaker 2>with her and frustrated. But you know, I'm an adult

663
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.960
<v Speaker 2>now and I'm thirty and I've had years of therapy

664
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:56.359
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and I'm like, oh, that wasn't right, and

665
00:32:56.440 --> 00:33:00.880
<v Speaker 2>i sense apologized to my sister. Okay, I was a kid,

666
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>But that's my point is like I acted like that

667
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:08.039
<v Speaker 2>as an unregulated teenager going through puberty, and Mary is

668
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>acting like that as a forty four something year old.

669
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Going through Perrymotoposa. But like, get a grip, though, word,

670
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:16.799
<v Speaker 1>get a c I don't know what else to say, Like,

671
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm exasperated by these people.

672
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just can't. Like it frustrated me that Mary

673
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>was getting annoyed with Janelle pondering about if she should

674
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.839
<v Speaker 2>get this wreath. It's like not a.

675
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Big deal at all, No, it's not.

676
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 2>I just but like Christine and Robin are kind of

677
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.640
<v Speaker 2>teasing them on the couch, being like this is so

678
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>weird that they're going out to get decorations. Because even

679
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 2>something as simple as this activity, like everybody's like, are

680
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>you sure about that? Do you want to hang out

681
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 2>with each other? Like that's super weird. You guys never

682
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>do something like this together, Like that's crazy, Like how

683
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.599
<v Speaker 2>their relationship has devolved to a point where you can't

684
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.480
<v Speaker 2>even go to like some bitch ass boutique store and

685
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 2>shop for decorations. But they're trying, and Janelle says, like,

686
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:01.759
<v Speaker 2>we want to put our therapy into practice, like we

687
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.599
<v Speaker 2>really want to work on things, but we all know.

688
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 1>How'd that work out for you ladies.

689
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 2>It's all for not And so then we get into

690
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>the preview for the next episode. We have Thanksgiving coming up.

691
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>We have the adult kids coming home from college and

692
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:17.800
<v Speaker 2>the pawn shop.

693
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 1>And the fuck session in Montana.

694
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>And so everyone's coming back home for Thanksgiving. Everybody's excited

695
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.840
<v Speaker 2>about it. And Janelle again extends like an olive branch

696
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.119
<v Speaker 2>to Mary and she wants to decorate the house for

697
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving with Mary, because you, like you said, Mary loves

698
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>to decorate. She loves grafts and stuff. And Janelle has

699
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>never really helped out before, but she wants to because

700
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.280
<v Speaker 2>she wants to work on their relationship. And even doing this,

701
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna cause friction because Mary's first thought is like, well,

702
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 2>if we're gonna help out the decorations, I don't want

703
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 2>to do it all by myself, lazy bitch.

704
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so immediately Janelle starts to dis yeah, just float

705
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 1>into the ass rightfully, so because here we go again

706
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 1>with this bitch.

707
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Like it's ridiculous. So ultimately I remember this episode. They

708
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.599
<v Speaker 2>end up decorating a little bit, but Mary bitches the

709
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 2>entire time, so it's like all for nothing. And then

710
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.519
<v Speaker 2>when they're setting up in the preview for Thanksgiving dinner,

711
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Cody comes in with his floppy ass hair, not contributing

712
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a single thing to this entire decoration. He says something

713
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.480
<v Speaker 2>like I don't like the way the tables look, like

714
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.400
<v Speaker 2>what are we doing with this? And he's saying this

715
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.639
<v Speaker 2>to Mary. They're arguing about it, and Mary's first thing

716
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 2>to say is like, well it was Christine's idea. And

717
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Mary says in the preview like, it's easier for me

718
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.039
<v Speaker 2>if Cody's mad at somebody else other than me. So

719
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 2>this again is like proof of Mary's shitty character that

720
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.039
<v Speaker 2>you want to like throw the wives under the bus. Yeah,

721
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.199
<v Speaker 2>so that way you don't have to deal with the smoke.

722
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, okay, get out of here, girl, it's

723
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.199
<v Speaker 2>gonna be an annoying episode.

724
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, do you want to talk about some current Yeah, okay,

725
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 1>what do you think about pres Hilton?

726
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, dude.

727
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, and here's why I thought about it

728
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>just now. And it's kind of crazy. But Mary is

729
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:17.039
<v Speaker 1>putting herself out now as like this transformed woman who

730
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 1>has word it up. Yeah, like so much better now.

731
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I know the real mean what I deserve, and I'm

732
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a good person. And kind of with Preres Hilton, he

733
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 1>did the same thing. Do you know the story of

734
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 1>Press Hilton y'all?

735
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.679
<v Speaker 2>No, not recently. I saw some videos before his thing

736
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>on TikTok. If you guys don't know, don't fucking look

737
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 2>it up. It's horrifying.

738
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody knows by now. But like, well, but

739
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.400
<v Speaker 1>do you know who he used to be? Yes, of course, yeah,

740
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 1>he used to be a terrible blogger. He was awful

741
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to celebrities. He was constantly humiliating them and putting them

742
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>through humiliation rituals online. It was truly terrible, and he

743
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.679
<v Speaker 1>was unapologetic and he was asked to stop and he

744
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>never did. And then like three or four months ago,

745
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 1>he got released and he was hospitalized. Yeah, he got sepsis,

746
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 1>so he's really really ill. He claims he had a

747
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>near death experience.

748
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he started like preaching about God a lot.

749
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>And he had an experience or an encounter with Jesus

750
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the number one man himself, and he converted I guess

751
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to Well, he never really says what he converted to.

752
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean I assume he converted to Christianity or whatever.

753
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>And then he had a psychotic break. Yeah, and that

754
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 1>was last week and he's.

755
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Still in the hospital. Right have we heard.

756
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 1>From him since he's still in the hospital, and so

757
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of the ironic thing is his team at pres

758
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Hilton dot com released a statement saying, like we're dealing

759
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>with this, we just really ask for privacy at this time,

760
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and like everybody's like, well, you never gave that privacy

761
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>to anybody else. And if this had happened to any

762
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 1>celebrity when you were out there being like this gum

763
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of the earth back in the day, you'd have absolutely

764
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>brought cast is to everybody. But now you want privacy.

765
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:09.599
<v Speaker 1>I think it really presents such a good question around

766
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:16.280
<v Speaker 1>compassion and forgiveness and like allowing for the idea. And

767
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of bringing it back to Mary allowing

768
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:23.639
<v Speaker 1>for the idea that people actually can change. I think

769
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people out there don't think that people

770
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>can change, and or even if they do, it doesn't

771
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 1>really matter because they formed an opinion of you. And

772
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm guilty of this with Mary, but I've formed

773
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.679
<v Speaker 1>an opinion of you that you were an asshole. I'm

774
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>never going to forgive you. You don't deserve anybody, no, anybody's forgiveness. Yeah,

775
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of how so many people are treating

776
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Perez and what's happened with Perez. And I'm just wondering

777
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>what y'all think about it, And I'm wondering what you

778
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:51.079
<v Speaker 1>think about it.

779
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I agree. I was actually talking about it with

780
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>your daughter because she said it was horrifying. Like she

781
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 2>was the one that told me about it. She's like,

782
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Speaker 2>don't look it up, and I did because I let you.

783
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>What did you see the actual Yes, I did.

784
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>It was horrifying. It was horrifying.

785
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.079
<v Speaker 1>I feel like those that's a mind virus, well, I

786
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like they're trying to desensitize us to this type

787
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>of violence so that we're not affected by it. When

788
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 1>they perpetrate it on us in the future.

789
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, unfortunately, we've been exposed to this kind of violence

790
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.280
<v Speaker 2>for like over a decade, like WikiLeaks used to be

791
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 2>a thing, and live leak used to be a thing.

792
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Like I've seen way work.

793
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen any of that stuff good.

794
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.599
<v Speaker 2>It would hurt your soul. But like we were talking

795
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 2>about it with Perez Hilton, and she said that her

796
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 2>vibe was like, we don't understand like what sepsis does

797
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Speaker 2>to the brain and how it can really fuck your

798
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 2>body up, Like we don't really understand what it does

799
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 2>to the human body, like we think we do, but

800
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of like long lasting effects.

801
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 2>So like from her perspective, it's like this is from

802
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.320
<v Speaker 2>the sepsis and maybe it was like a psychotic break

803
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>from the bacteria and stuff in his brain. I don't know.

804
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 2>My vibe on it was like this is some demonic

805
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:06.480
<v Speaker 2>shit because and I'm not like, look, I believe in Jesus,

806
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 2>I believe in God or whatever. My thing is like

807
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 2>this is demonic. And if you are somebody who has

808
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 2>been in this state, this vibrational state of like constantly

809
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.079
<v Speaker 2>being a piece of shit to like all of these

810
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:22.880
<v Speaker 2>people exposing all of their private lives and nudes and

811
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.920
<v Speaker 2>like these really crazy stories and like making your whole

812
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.199
<v Speaker 2>business model off of treating people this way, Like you

813
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of open yourself up to that kind of an energy,

814
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 2>and like if you did have a near death experience

815
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and it did make you change your perspective on life

816
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and you did open your heart to Jesus, that's great,

817
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's awesome or whatever, but that still

818
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that, like you're solved from all of that

819
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.320
<v Speaker 2>if you're still in this like vibration. And so I'm like,

820
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 2>seeing what he did on TikTok Live, I'm like, that's

821
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>demon shit.

822
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.639
<v Speaker 1>So I haven't seen it, but some people are saying

823
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.239
<v Speaker 1>they think that that was just all for attention to

824
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.519
<v Speaker 1>like that's crazy. So it was like, do you think

825
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 1>it was an actual psychotic break?

826
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I think yeah, like demon position because Okay, I don't

827
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 2>know with self harm and stuff like that, because if

828
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 2>you guys don't know what he did, like it was

829
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>really horrible self harm whatever. You don't do that kind

830
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 2>of stuff for the public. Self harm is something you

831
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 2>do because you hate yourself. It's something that's very private,

832
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>you hide your scars usually like it's a really horrible

833
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.880
<v Speaker 2>symptom of depression. I speak from experience doing it like

834
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 2>that in front of a live audience. Like, that's like

835
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 2>psycho demonic, crazy shit right there. That's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>So to your point about it being demonic, it just

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<v Speaker 1>and I actually thought about this because in the bubble,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus casts a demon out of some poor suffering soul.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna paraphrase because I don't have it in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me, but Jesus says something like, now, because careful, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you don't change, if you don't clean the

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<v Speaker 1>home in which the demon resided, that demon's gonna come back.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's gonna bring seven other demons with him, So

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have an even bigger problem then you started with.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, with somebody like Perez, I mean, who

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<v Speaker 1>are we to say what actually happened? But I do

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<v Speaker 1>think there's there is a spiritual component. I do, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we are we are living in a

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual world. Yeah, and we are in such a strange,

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<v Speaker 1>freaked out time yeah, in our Earth's history. I truly

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<v Speaker 1>believe we came here at this time personally to disrupt

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<v Speaker 1>and to bring in some of the light. And so

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<v Speaker 1>this is why I want to and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this is the right podcast for it, because we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the sister Wives, and I'm trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>a connection to Mary, because like, even Mary deserves compassion.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course Mary deserves compassion. And we make

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<v Speaker 1>fun of Mary. Yeah, we talk about the more critical

859
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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and we're like, what are you doing worthying of?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this just a money grab? And we're constantly critiquing Mary.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mary's a person irrespective of what happened in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>She's deserving of compassion, love and a happy life. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish a happy life for Mary where she's like actualized

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<v Speaker 1>and like personally developed and she can reflect and look

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<v Speaker 1>at all these aspects of herself that she wants to

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<v Speaker 1>change and then change them. That's what I want for her,

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<v Speaker 1>And likewise, I want the same thing for somebody like Perez.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I just wish that people. Gosh could I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like Kasha. I feel like social media is on

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<v Speaker 1>purpose intentionally creating just hordes of people who don't give

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<v Speaker 1>a shit about humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then you have all of those CIA created bots

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram and TikTok and everything that are making all

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<v Speaker 2>of these comments that are so heinous, like people are

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Perez deserve this and like we shouldn't care

876
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 2>about them or whatever, And I'm like, are you, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>how can you look at a video like that and

878
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<v Speaker 2>not have any kind of compassion for him? Because that's

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<v Speaker 2>literally horrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's all bots. I think there are

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<v Speaker 1>so many people who feel justified in not having any compassion,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just feel like that's that's the least that

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<v Speaker 1>we can muster for somebody who's in clear emotional and

884
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<v Speaker 1>physical distress, and like, yeah, we don't have to like him,

885
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<v Speaker 1>and you know, yeah we don't have to support him

886
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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but like we could absolutely hope for the

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<v Speaker 1>best and pray for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, And that's my point about like social media and

889
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<v Speaker 2>the Internet in general, because you have all of these

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<v Speaker 2>like influencing like actors on here, you have all the

891
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.400
<v Speaker 2>CIA bots, you have like all of these crazy headlines,

892
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you have AI algorithms, you have censorship of the ass

893
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.800
<v Speaker 2>everything is controlled, Like all of the information that you

894
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.800
<v Speaker 2>are fed is going through all of these different hands

895
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 2>to try and manipulate you. Into thinking and believing a

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<v Speaker 2>certain way. And I think that's what's caused a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this like lack of compassion and like lack of

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<v Speaker 2>humanity in regular, regular people, because like you're constantly on

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<v Speaker 2>your phone all day, and if you're somebody that can

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<v Speaker 2>like try and resist that, that's good, but like nobody's

901
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.119
<v Speaker 2>immune to it. Like if you're on your phone doom

902
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.519
<v Speaker 2>scrolling all the time, like you're gonna eventually succumb to

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<v Speaker 2>some of these negative energies.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like we all are. I'm wondering, is

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<v Speaker 1>it even possible anymore to cut the cord from the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, And I've thought about that too, because

907
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<v Speaker 2>like I.

908
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 1>So heavily addicted to it.

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00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I fucking hate it. You have to do other

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00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 2>things to like distract yourself from your phone, like learn

911
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 2>an instrument or write correct, do some art or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Get off the fucking internet, because it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a dead internet anyway thanks to AI.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, so nothing that you're interacting with is actually

915
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<v Speaker 1>happening in real life, not at all. And actually the

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<v Speaker 1>people that you meet when you're walking down the street,

917
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the people that you meet each day are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more like you than the people that are showing up

919
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 1>on social media exactly, So don't get it twisted exactly.

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00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I believe most people are good. I think so too,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean I think this sort of syop with

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<v Speaker 1>social media and like what we're seeing and having like

923
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<v Speaker 1>fucking TikTok allow for this to be broadcast for fifteen

924
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<v Speaker 1>minutes straight without pulling the plug. I feel like this

925
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>is trying to change the way collectively we are conscious. Yeah,

926
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<v Speaker 1>and it's a low vibrational bitch, is real. I rebuke it.

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<v Speaker 1>I rebuke it me too, And I hope it's okay

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<v Speaker 1>that every now and again we talk about I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should all current events. I mean, we talk about

930
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<v Speaker 1>this stuff all the time. Off the pot and Sister

931
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<v Speaker 1>Wives can only take us so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it sometimes it's it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we are literally mining for like Robin yeah in Alaska,

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<v Speaker 1>for just like a little bit of gold from some

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<v Speaker 1>of these episodes. But like we do our very best.

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<v Speaker 1>We love to hear from you. We are on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, you can always write to Beatrice. She

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<v Speaker 1>loves to hear from you, especially if you're nice. Yeah,

939
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<v Speaker 1>and also on YouTube, drop in like leave a comment,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's like a raccoon emoji. Every single thing

941
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.960
<v Speaker 1>helps in the algorithm. And honey, when I tell you

942
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<v Speaker 1>we are shadow band, now we shine like the sun.

943
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<v Speaker 1>We canceled. People are finding us anyway, but like there

944
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.199
<v Speaker 1>is a shadow over this channel. So anything you can

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<v Speaker 1>do truly does help us, Beatrice, is there anything else

946
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 1>that we should say to these beautiful raccoons before we

947
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<v Speaker 1>get up on at it here?

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<v Speaker 2>As always, if feel of our podcast, please do us

949
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<v Speaker 2>a favor. Go to your favorite podcast platform and leave

950
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<v Speaker 2>us a glowing five star review. And if you want

951
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.480
<v Speaker 2>to hear more weird conversations from us, let us know

952
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.519
<v Speaker 2>in the comments and send us a message or whatever,

953
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<v Speaker 2>and send us some topics. If there's some current events

954
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<v Speaker 2>that we're not privy to, like, let us know. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe we will. We probably will.

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<v Speaker 2>We probably will.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, We're gonna be back next week to continue

959
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<v Speaker 1>Sister Wives. We've got stuff going up on Patreon. Definitely

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<v Speaker 1>join us there. It really does. Like we said, it

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<v Speaker 1>is the best way to help us. It really does

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<v Speaker 1>help us. Yeah, And until then, until we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>please do not forget that we have nothing but actual

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<v Speaker 1>and real human love for you and peace. L may

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<v Speaker 1>my God