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<v Speaker 1>Mass murder a very serious and dark topic, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>referring to modern unfortunate events with public shootings, cruel wars

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<v Speaker 1>around the world, or historical cases like Richard Speck. Richard

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<v Speaker 1>had a very dark history of his own, a dark

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<v Speaker 1>history involving substance abuse and trouble with law. Everything he

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<v Speaker 1>was involved with escalated throughout his life, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>all come together in a tragically violent night where nine

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<v Speaker 1>nursing students found themselves helpless to Richard's every whim. Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for

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<v Speaker 1>a mature audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretions advised.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcast. You're doing it there, it is boom,

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<v Speaker 1>how's it going? Everyone? We're a day light, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be worth it. We did a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of research on this case, so sorry for that.

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<v Speaker 2>We apologize, but hey, better late than never.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Sometimes we need that little bit of extra time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're human.

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<v Speaker 2>We're trying our best over here. We really are.

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<v Speaker 1>We work day jobs, you know. This is just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a side hustle a fun thing that we do.

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<v Speaker 1>So forgive us. Once in a while, these things happen,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are still here and we got an epic

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<v Speaker 1>case coming down for you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Once in a while, life just happens. Yes's true, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the case for everyone. Life gets in the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was certainly the case for my parents

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<v Speaker 1>when I was born.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my word, they would not agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm the best child you are, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Am, by fine, I'm biased, but I very much so think.

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<v Speaker 1>So one to know who else is actually super awesome?

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<v Speaker 1>Are patrons?

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<v Speaker 2>They are today?

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<v Speaker 1>We do actually so we have these people signed up

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<v Speaker 1>for Patreon this past week and are absolutely incredible. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for supporting us over there. The people

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<v Speaker 1>who signed up and we've got to give a good

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<v Speaker 1>old shout out to are Holly Gunwoldsen hopefully I said

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<v Speaker 1>your last name right, Mallory Cumberland, Shelby Strunk, Lindsey Gott

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<v Speaker 1>and Britney.

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<v Speaker 2>Brown right on.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for your support. You're absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you guys don't support us on Patreon, you

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<v Speaker 1>just want to listen here, we still appreciate that you

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<v Speaker 1>are still incredible. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>We just think everyone's incredible around here, pretty much, don't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even the dog goes look a look at Ripley.

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<v Speaker 1>She's curled up in a little ball right now.

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<v Speaker 2>She sleeps well. Actually, anything that dog does as cute

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<v Speaker 2>as hell. Not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, while I was just finishing the research for this case,

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<v Speaker 1>she just walked over and she just set her chin

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<v Speaker 1>on my knee and just looked up at me and stared,

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<v Speaker 1>which you.

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<v Speaker 2>Think is adorable. But I literally that happens to me

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<v Speaker 2>probably five times a day because I majored, like I

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<v Speaker 2>mostly work from home. Yeah, and so that happens all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. And it's almost like, yeah, but yes, Ripley.

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<v Speaker 1>My day job, like I'm at work for like ten

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<v Speaker 1>hours plus drive so I'm not home for.

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<v Speaker 2>Like hours freaking melt into the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty much. But also back to our patrons, we

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<v Speaker 1>also have someone we got to give a big old.

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<v Speaker 2>Congrats to an extra thank you too.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to do this this big old extra

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<v Speaker 1>congrats shout out thank you whatever to well.

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<v Speaker 2>The thank you is in regards to We had a

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<v Speaker 2>little contest over there, right. We had a short story.

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<v Speaker 2>We did chat about this on the podcast already, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we did.

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<v Speaker 1>We hinted at it, but we didn't want to give

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you had to. Basically we had a couple submissions.

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing and you had to write a short

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<v Speaker 2>creepy story. Basically they write and it got to be

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<v Speaker 2>under five.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred words exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a bit of a challenge, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we put out this contest, you know, do

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<v Speaker 1>your own creepy Pasta. If you don't know what creepy

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<v Speaker 1>Pasta is, it's a web form where writers go and

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<v Speaker 1>post their writings of creepy stories, fictional stories that make

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<v Speaker 1>up or whatever. And yeah, we had a few submissions,

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<v Speaker 1>awesome stories that people wrote over our Patreon. We have

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<v Speaker 1>incredible writers over there apparently, I know, blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And a big old congrats to Sarah Granby who won. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so her story was incredible. It was entitled not Me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was really well done. It was really well done.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you win?

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<v Speaker 2>So we got to we have that exclusive merch that

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<v Speaker 2>basically can only get by winning something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of our contests or giveaways.

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<v Speaker 2>So she got a T shirt and then she got

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<v Speaker 2>her story read by Jacko.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is epic, so epic. So we post that story

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<v Speaker 1>recorded by Jacko over on Patreon. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go give that a listen, and you're on Patreon, you

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<v Speaker 1>can go check it out right now if you'd like. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and speaking of Jacko, actually he's going to be making

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<v Speaker 1>a return this Halloween Week, which is basically a month away.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, we get asked, actually, oh yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>is a hot, a hot question. Is Jacko coming back

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<v Speaker 2>for Halloween Week?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so Jacko is one percent making his return. He

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<v Speaker 1>will be our EMC for every episode. He might be

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<v Speaker 1>involved a little bit more. We'll have to stay tuned

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that literally makes me sover and excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because it's like last okay, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was cool and it's okay, and like

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<v Speaker 2>you love it, so that's nice. But then last year

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<v Speaker 2>I just like really loved Halloween. I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast made me love it even more. It was fun,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and your guys engagement Actually last Halloween made it

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<v Speaker 1>really fun for us too, not just the work in

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<v Speaker 1>fun we were having putting it out there, but the

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<v Speaker 1>reactions and engagement we were getting was incredible. So looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to that again too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we're doing another photoshoot too for Halloween we are,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very exciting. It's a different theme of course,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We're planning to do a Halloween live as well. That'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably happen on over Instagram. Do we think. We haven't

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<v Speaker 1>really planned that out just yet. Details aren't for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is going to be a live happening at

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<v Speaker 1>some point for Halloween, and we're dropping new merch, so

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be a few new Halloween centric designs,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just cool new designs in general. But the Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>centric design may or may not include Jacko.

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<v Speaker 2>Himself, and it's all drawn by you in case people

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<v Speaker 1>It is I'm there. Very cool, but a really cool

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<v Speaker 1>thing about the Jacko merch that's going to be released.

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<v Speaker 1>This is technically the only piece of Jacko merch that

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<v Speaker 1>is available or has been available to the public, because

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<v Speaker 1>we had one piece that was only available for one

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<v Speaker 1>week for patrons when we first opened up our Patreon yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 1>and that design is never coming out again never. So

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<v Speaker 1>those people with that design are like, they're like.

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<v Speaker 2>They have some spe never say never, never say never.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, like the vault might just have to open

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>The vault opens and that piece is released again, it

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be the same. Maybe maybe a color palette change

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<v Speaker 1>or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true, that's very true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it will not be the same, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. There will be something to define it

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're gonna be chatting a lot about Hallo Hallow

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<v Speaker 2>in week and getting everyone excited because it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>freaking awesome. Last year was awesome, and like it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be just as awesome, if not more.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it'll be more awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Every year will just be more awesome, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you want to know what's not awesome?

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<v Speaker 2>The person we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>The person we're talking about today, Richard Speck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I gathered that from the intro there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's not a cool being. And to give you

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<v Speaker 1>guys a bit of a heads up, this is part

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<v Speaker 1>one of a two part episode regarding Richard Speck. I

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<v Speaker 1>did not realize how involved this case is until I

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<v Speaker 1>was researching, I knew it was a big case. But

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<v Speaker 1>his background is very, very thorough. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information on him. I'm not a huge fan of covering

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<v Speaker 1>the history of a perpetrator, a murderer, someone like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally we try and make it more about the victims

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<v Speaker 1>when at all possible. Right, So this first episode is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be more centered around him and his upbringing

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<v Speaker 1>and where how he got to what he does. The

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<v Speaker 1>second episode we're going to try and revolve that a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more around his victims.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and sometimes that happens. I don't know these people.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of information out there and it's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>too sometimes to figure out how they got to where

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<v Speaker 2>they are. So there are cases like that that are

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<v Speaker 2>more heavy on the friggin'.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely asshole, definitely, And that's what this is going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of figuring out how he got to

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<v Speaker 1>become who he became. So, without further ado, let's dive

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<v Speaker 1>into this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I should say, actually I have I've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of this no, which I don't know if that's weird,

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<v Speaker 2>but I definitely happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of the name, but that was about the

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<v Speaker 1>extent of it. And then I ran across what he

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<v Speaker 1>did and I was like, shit, shit, So yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go, okay, let's dive into this. Richard Benjamin Speck

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<v Speaker 1>was born in Kirkwood, Illinois, in nineteen forty one. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a young boy who had several siblings. His parents,

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Franklin Speck and Mary Margaret Carbo, had a total

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<v Speaker 1>of eight children in fact. Oh wow, five daughters and

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<v Speaker 1>three sons, with Richard being one of them. Now, after

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<v Speaker 1>Richard was born, the family would move into Monmouth, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>a small town that was established in eighteen thirty one.

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<v Speaker 1>A small sized town of four point twenty six square miles.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's very small.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tiny. Now, Richard's parents were both very religious, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were both tetollers to tollars. I'm not sure how

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<v Speaker 1>you say it exactly. It's a word that I specifically

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<v Speaker 1>had to look up for this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, kiss, Yeah, I don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>So they specifically practice abstinence of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and this is also extended to strict rules against smoking.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this was so extreme to the fact actually, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yes, just one beer.

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<v Speaker 1>So his parents were both very hard working and they

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<v Speaker 1>He worked as a packer, a roofer, a farm hand,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he definitely did what he could, I mean bouncing

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be verily tight knit and did well as

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it made him feel even closer specifically

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<v Speaker 2>And sorry, can I just ask a little question here?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Richard? Is he the oldest of the boys,

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's the second youngest child after Richard. It was

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<v Speaker 1>his sister, I want to say, Carolyn or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes that I'm going to point this out. There is

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<v Speaker 1>some information like that that I have omitted because this

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<v Speaker 1>is a very very very large history that they have

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and I was just curious. It wasn't super important.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you have questions, feel free to ask. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>answer what I can, but I have omitted some of

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<v Speaker 1>information that's kind of mundane totally. But any any case,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard had a great relationship with his father and they

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<v Speaker 1>became very very close and held these special moments. That

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<v Speaker 1>is until nineteen forty seven. Now, by this time, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what happened when his father died from

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<v Speaker 1>an unexpected heart attack at the age of fifty three.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was not expecting that. I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. Ooh that's sad. That's very, very very sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Richard took the loss of his dad very hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Dang.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So without his father, he actually began to act

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<v Speaker 1>out in school in very odd ways. Now his elementary

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<v Speaker 1>school co students or whatever the word you want to say, peers,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a way better word than co students, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that he would actually frequently begin to like whine

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<v Speaker 1>and almost act like a baby. He would whine often,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd even eat crayons.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's so sad that that's so young to be

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<v Speaker 2>losing a.

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<v Speaker 1>Parent, it is, dang. His teacher would actually almost have

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<v Speaker 1>to coddle him and treat him like a baby, and

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<v Speaker 1>one classmate actually once even saw the teacher letting him

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<v Speaker 1>sit on her lap. Just because she didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>else to do with him. He's acting like such a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and she also probably felt so fri and bad. Yeah, hard,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that's that's yeah, that's that's very difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But I mean it may not have been the

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<v Speaker 1>lack of father figure though, too, because he didn't receive

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<v Speaker 1>much attention from his grief stricken mother either.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean she was dealing with a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, rightfully.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, well, how many friggin children she had?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was also like affected completely. She just lost

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<v Speaker 1>her spouse. I mean, though it's no excuse to ignore

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<v Speaker 1>a child. No, but without her husband or parenting partner,

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<v Speaker 1>she's now a single mother of eight, and that would

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<v Speaker 1>be extremely difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>She was probably very overwhelmed and of also being like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how am I going to keep all these children alive

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<v Speaker 2>by myself?

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent? And like, I have the utmost respect

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<v Speaker 1>for any single parent, let alone someone who is the

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<v Speaker 1>sole provider and caregiver for eight human beings. So and

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<v Speaker 1>also on the other hand, perhaps it wasn't that she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't giving Richard attention, but maybe it was that she

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<v Speaker 1>was spread a bit thin and she couldn't give Richard

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<v Speaker 1>enough attention or the attention he demanded, right, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very big possibility too. Yes. Regardless though, she would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually seek out another partner in crime, someone to confide it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>share a life with, and help, you know, fulfill the

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<v Speaker 1>role of a father figure to her children.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, okay, has this Sky a good guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you'll find out here in a second. She would

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<v Speaker 1>find what she was looking for during a train ride

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<v Speaker 1>to Chicago, and three years after the death of her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>she would marry a man on May tenth, nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Carl August Rudolphdenburg in Palo Texas. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Palo Pinto, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite the name.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Carl Lindenberg is what he often went by.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just going to call him Carl.

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<v Speaker 2>Not cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Carl?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he not cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Carl's not cool? Carl?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he's Carl's.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, right. So, now, Carl was a far stone's

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<v Speaker 1>throw from the man she was previously married to. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a traveling insurance salesman from Texas who had a

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<v Speaker 1>large twenty five year criminal history. Now this history or

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<v Speaker 1>record would range from forgery to multiple DUIs, which leads

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<v Speaker 1>me to mention that Carl was a very heavy drinker.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and she wasn't for that, was she she was?

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<v Speaker 1>Heck, so she clearly let something slip. Maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>in her expectations of a partner, or maybe she's desperate

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<v Speaker 1>to have someone else with her, but she let something

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<v Speaker 1>slide regarding what her Uh, I can't think of words today,

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<v Speaker 1>expectations are of someone.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess well, she should just spend a little tiny

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<v Speaker 2>bit longer looking. She probably could have found someone better.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that meant her, because that's a big one. Like

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<v Speaker 2>she was so against el guy. He's pretty much an alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 2>and like that's something.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is an alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's an alcoholic, and we're gonna let that slide.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I don't know anyways. Now, while the couple

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<v Speaker 1>were in Texas they were getting married, Richard had actually

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<v Speaker 1>stayed with his older sister, who had recently married herself. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He had stayed there, back in their home for a

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<v Speaker 1>few months to finish the second grade in school before

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<v Speaker 1>he moved over to Texas with his mom and his

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<v Speaker 1>new stepdad in Santo Texas. Now, Richard didn't enjoy his

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<v Speaker 1>new father figure too much. In fact, many articles I

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<v Speaker 1>read described him as hating or loathing him. The family

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic he once knew with his biological dad quite literally

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<v Speaker 1>crumbled right, and now he was left with something completely different,

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<v Speaker 1>and he resented his mother for it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Dang, I mean it sounds like this person did have,

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<v Speaker 2>like this new father figure person had like pretty big

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<v Speaker 2>shoes to fill.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. But also I don't think he even attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to fill those shoes in any shape or form.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Oh shit's given not really.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty one, the family would move to East Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this would start a string of moves to the

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<v Speaker 1>family where they would go from place to place and

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<v Speaker 1>home from home. The family would actually go to ten

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<v Speaker 1>different addresses, usually in underprivileged neighborhoods, over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>the next twelve years. Oh shit, So essentially moving to

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<v Speaker 1>a new home every.

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<v Speaker 2>Year, which is very hard for like kids who are

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that's very hard for anyone, let alone

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<v Speaker 1>kids growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you don't have a stable home, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>make friends very easily. You're bouncing back and forth. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair, I don't know how many of those

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<v Speaker 1>are different neighborhoods. Maybe he's still going to the same

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<v Speaker 1>school in some of those moves. Not too sure now,

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<v Speaker 1>But in that time, during nineteen fifty two, Richard would

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<v Speaker 1>actually suffer another family loss when his eldest brother, Robert

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<v Speaker 1>would pass away as a result of a car accident.

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<v Speaker 1>And Robert was only twenty three years old when he passed. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's going through a lot, a lot of big

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<v Speaker 1>impacts on this little boys.

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<v Speaker 2>At a very young age.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so Richard's life by this time was very much so,

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<v Speaker 1>extremely different than it had started out. Now, if the

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<v Speaker 1>path had stayed true with when he was younger before

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<v Speaker 1>his father passed away, who knows where he would have

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<v Speaker 1>ended up. But he was on a different path now

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<v Speaker 1>and taking after his new father figure. He began drinking

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of twelve, and by the age of fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard could have been considered and in fact was considered

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<v Speaker 1>an alcoholic. And he drank consistently and was drunk almost every.

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<v Speaker 2>Day at fifteen years old. Yes, that's very very sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine being I mean, well fair enough, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have been able to handle my alcohol at fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would have been very.

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<v Speaker 2>Easy to get drunk, but you build your tolerance like

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, but could you imagine getting drunk every

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<v Speaker 1>day at fifteen? Like what the fuck? Like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>how can you, like, where are you getting that money?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah, getting the booze? I never even thought that.

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<v Speaker 1>I will touch on that a little bit here later,

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<v Speaker 1>where he's getting at least some of the boots. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, like it's it's absurd to even think, how

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<v Speaker 1>could a fifteen year old. I know, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>prevalent thing, like it happens to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>in society unfortunately. Yeah, but I just can't imagine being

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<v Speaker 1>in that situation. It's tragic. It is what I'm getting too, basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that's a great way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So in that timeframe he had also began his

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<v Speaker 1>negative behaviors in other aspects. His first arrest was actually

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<v Speaker 1>only at the age of thirteen in nineteen fifty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it wasn't anything terrible, mind you. I mean illegal

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<v Speaker 1>is illegal, and an arrest is an arrest, don't get

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<v Speaker 1>me wrong. But it was for trespassing. Not cool for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>But depending on the situation exactly I'm not too sure

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<v Speaker 1>of the situation would have been a lot worse. Yeah,

429
00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.279
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot worse he could have done. And depending

430
00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.400
<v Speaker 1>on what he was trespassing on, was it just like

431
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.880
<v Speaker 1>some farmers field, Was it an abandoned building or was

432
00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:29.480
<v Speaker 1>he breaking into someone's house? You know, there's a difference. So, however,

433
00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:32.640
<v Speaker 1>it would only escalate from there now where he would

434
00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.839
<v Speaker 1>be arrested for several other misdemeanors over the next eight years.

435
00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Now it seems that Richard was taking after his new stepdad, Carl,

436
00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:43.519
<v Speaker 1>but even if that is the case, it didn't lead

437
00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:47.720
<v Speaker 1>him to having a good relationship in any aspect basically.

438
00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:51.480
<v Speaker 2>So, Okay, this is sort of devastating because I feel

439
00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:56.440
<v Speaker 2>like if his dad had not died, that this story

440
00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:57.880
<v Speaker 2>probably would not exist.

441
00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.039
<v Speaker 1>That's a very big possibility.

442
00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:03.240
<v Speaker 2>I just I don't know. I just don't think he

443
00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.400
<v Speaker 2>probably would still be like fishing with his dad and

444
00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:08.240
<v Speaker 2>just like, oh my god, my heart, I just can't.

445
00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>But such is life. Everyone loses someone eventually, some earlier

446
00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:17.039
<v Speaker 1>than others. Yeah, everyone goes through something eventually.

447
00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:18.079
<v Speaker 2>It's not an excuse.

448
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:19.200
<v Speaker 1>It's not an excuse.

449
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not.

450
00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:25.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm I understand. Shit. Happens, Shit hurts, But that doesn't

451
00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:28.720
<v Speaker 1>mean you have to become toxic, you know what I mean.

452
00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Everyone deals with things in different ways and that's that's okay,

453
00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.079
<v Speaker 1>But for what he does later on in life, it's

454
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:43.920
<v Speaker 1>still not an excuse. No, no, where am I here now? Okay,

455
00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I got it. So Richard hated Carl like their relationship

456
00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:52.119
<v Speaker 1>was terrible, and Carl hated Richard and he actually even

457
00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.319
<v Speaker 1>wanted to kick Richard out of the house because he

458
00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.880
<v Speaker 1>couldn't stand the sight of him. And he told Richard

459
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<v Speaker 1>quote that he was a gutter rat.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Cool. Yeah, that's great.

461
00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Richard fought back in spite of his stepdad,

462
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:06.759
<v Speaker 1>and he would this is where we know where he

463
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:09.119
<v Speaker 1>gets at least some of his alcohol. He would break

464
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.599
<v Speaker 1>into his liquor cabinet and have his fill on his

465
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:15.400
<v Speaker 1>stepdad's dime. And he'd do this when no one was

466
00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.519
<v Speaker 1>watching his means of revenge. I mean, it's as best

467
00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:20.880
<v Speaker 1>as a young team can do to fight back, right,

468
00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:23.480
<v Speaker 1>So he drink and then disappear out of the house.

469
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.319
<v Speaker 2>And the family didn't have a ton of money either,

470
00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:27.920
<v Speaker 2>did they.

471
00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:28.799
<v Speaker 1>No, definitely not.

472
00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So.

473
00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Richard's struggles would follow him seemly wherever he would go,

474
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.880
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily due to circumstances either. He hung out with

475
00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:43.359
<v Speaker 1>the wrong crowd. He began smoking the Devil's lettuce and

476
00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:47.880
<v Speaker 1>taking undisclosed pills. He also carried around a switchblade knife

477
00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.000
<v Speaker 1>on him wherever he went and used it to do

478
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:53.440
<v Speaker 1>break ins. So it's not like he's necessarily being influenced

479
00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.920
<v Speaker 1>in or cohersed into these things. Did you hear the

480
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.279
<v Speaker 1>way I said cohursed? Yeah, it was a very emphasis.

481
00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:02.519
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you say it like that. Course, so

482
00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really do I react?

483
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Do I really?

484
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.039
<v Speaker 2>I feel like so? Yeah, that didn't seem abnormal.

485
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh gross, that's like saying cool hip. Oh I go,

486
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>don't do.

487
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.759
<v Speaker 2>It, okay, well pointed out to you next time?

488
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Please do I need to stop that? That's saying okay.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Back to the case. I think it's safe to assume

490
00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>that no one will be surprised if I say he

491
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:28.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't do well in school either.

492
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Though, No, that would makes sense.

493
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. At one point, his vision began to actually decline

494
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.039
<v Speaker 1>and he needed to have glasses, but he refused to

495
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:40.279
<v Speaker 1>wear the glasses, apparently in fear of people staring at

496
00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.519
<v Speaker 1>him and building up too much anxiety.

497
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:44.519
<v Speaker 2>That they would stare more at him because he was

498
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:45.440
<v Speaker 2>wearing glasses.

499
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he didn't like the idea of wearing glasses because

500
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.440
<v Speaker 1>people would look at him. Oh yeah, which I mean

501
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.480
<v Speaker 1>that's totally sad to hear that, right.

502
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:55.400
<v Speaker 2>It is. But maybe back in that in the day,

503
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, this is a little bit back in

504
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:00.200
<v Speaker 2>the day, not super but maybe people weren't like not

505
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>everyone were really wore class.

506
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was. It wasn't a major thing or anything

507
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 1>like that. Classes back I mean, glasses were glasses one

508
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:12.079
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent, but it wasn't as prominent. Now as his

509
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 1>class did progress, he just fell behind and refused to

510
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.440
<v Speaker 1>speak up in class when asked. He just fell behind,

511
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>fell behind, He just didn't want to speak up again

512
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>because of that anxiety. He had to repeat the eighth grade.

513
00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:26.519
<v Speaker 1>And in nineteen fifty seven, he was in grade nine

514
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>in high school and he failed every single subject and

515
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:34.279
<v Speaker 1>he did not return for the second semester. He officially

516
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:36.920
<v Speaker 1>dropped out of school in January of nineteen fifty eight,

517
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:37.480
<v Speaker 1>after his.

518
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Sixteenth birthday in grade nine.

519
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.839
<v Speaker 1>In grade nine, Now, I do want to preface this,

520
00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>just like we were kind of talking about the glasses thing.

521
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Ninth grade education in nineteen fifties was still rather educated.

522
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.240
<v Speaker 1>It's a significant like a significant amount of people didn't

523
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.440
<v Speaker 1>graduate high school in those days. It's not abnormal for

524
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>people to drop out and pursue work and other endeavors,

525
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, after family family, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so ninth

526
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>grade was rather normal as far as I'm aware. Like

527
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I know several quote unquote boomers in that era. I

528
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>don't mean to knock people by saying boomers by any means,

529
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 1>but like that that generation, you know, I know like

530
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 1>my dad, I believe he's either tenth grade or eleventh grade,

531
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but he didn't graduate, and he's a

532
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 1>welder fabricator and he went on to have a great career. Yeah,

533
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 1>and he has lots of friends that had the same

534
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. My mom has friends that didn't graduate

535
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.319
<v Speaker 1>high school. Like it's a normal thing for that generation.

536
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:39.599
<v Speaker 2>It absolutely was.

537
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so ninth grade that's not necessarily bad.

538
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.279
<v Speaker 2>But he seemed like he kind of stopped because he was,

539
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:51.559
<v Speaker 2>like I have his anxiety and failing everything, and it

540
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 2>wasn't necessarily because he had other commitments that he had

541
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 2>to meet.

542
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Correct.

543
00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.599
<v Speaker 2>So his I feel like, his circumstance isn't really great.

544
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 2>For lack of better words, I guess.

545
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent you're right. He didn't have the same

546
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 1>circumstances of it, or he didn't his circumstances were different

547
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 1>than most for not finishing high school, right, Yes, so

548
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.400
<v Speaker 1>after he did fall out of high school, though, Richard's

549
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>extracurriculars only escalated into the worse as criminal record expanded

550
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>and he began experimenting with sex workers, which led him

551
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:32.400
<v Speaker 1>to develop an unfortunate opinion and view. Women in his

552
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>eyes were either pure or I for lack of better word,

553
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess tainted, like one or the other. Yeah, it's

554
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.680
<v Speaker 1>either like you're good or your shit. Okay, there's no

555
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:44.559
<v Speaker 1>in between.

556
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 2>For them, Okay, And I do want to talk.

557
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:48.880
<v Speaker 1>About this for a minute, and I want to talk

558
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.519
<v Speaker 1>about how unfortunately common it seems to be in the

559
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 1>true crime world male serial killers like developing the ideology

560
00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 1>that promiscuous women are trash and for a lack of

561
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>better word, like from their point of view, not that

562
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>I agree with this word or definition or anything at all,

563
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.559
<v Speaker 1>but for what they view the word whore like, they're

564
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>viewing these women as as such some people seem to

565
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 1>get the idea of that if someone doesn't fit their

566
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:22.519
<v Speaker 1>idea of pure, righteous, wholesome or whatever, then they deserve

567
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 1>to die in their eyes, which is just disgusting.

568
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.640
<v Speaker 2>It is so there's like two boxes really yeah and only,

569
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 2>but there's ridiculous amounts of in between.

570
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And they feel that they have the right to

571
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>put people in those boxes judge as they see fit.

572
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that they can make that judgment call.

573
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I do have a theory here. I don't

574
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>think it has anything to do with actually being good, bad, pure, tainted,

575
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>or however you want to word it. I think that

576
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>it's someone finds themselves in a situation where they can

577
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 1>take advantage of someone, which means they have some sort

578
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.839
<v Speaker 1>of power over the other. Now, when they are in

579
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>this scenario, they like the power, and they of course

580
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>they want more, so they decide in that moment that

581
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm better than this person and act out in whatever

582
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 1>fantasy they wish and simply as a power hungry move.

583
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it has nothing to do with sex. I

584
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.839
<v Speaker 1>think it has nothing to do with the individuals or anything.

585
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it simply has to do with the individual

586
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>can gain power over said type of people easily, and

587
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>they're going to create a logical reason to continue to

588
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>seek out that power.

589
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 2>So these people in the one box that they have

590
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>judged are all people that they feel like they can overpower,

591
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that they're better in their mind.

592
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you take a look at sex workers, they

593
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 1>put themselves in a like a very vulnerable position. Okay,

594
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.079
<v Speaker 1>so the individual who hires a sex worker pays the

595
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>person to be vulnerable. So they're paying them to let

596
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:05.039
<v Speaker 1>me have all the power over you. Yeah, simple as that.

597
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>And they like that and they say, Okay, now that

598
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.119
<v Speaker 1>I have the power, I'm better than you. Yeah, and

599
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:11.079
<v Speaker 1>I just like this.

600
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Speaker 2>All of that is just like disgusting.

601
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely disgusting. But I think that's what's going on

602
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>with these people when they get in these situations and

603
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.799
<v Speaker 1>why sex workers are generally targeted.

604
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, then it's just like putting fuel to the fire. Really,

605
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.480
<v Speaker 2>oh definitely, And the more the more encounters and stuff

606
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.559
<v Speaker 2>that they have like that, it's just like it's gonna

607
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>make them worse and worse and worse.

608
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now there are other things at play, like definitely,

609
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>like some sex workers may be living a life where

610
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 1>they're a little bit more vagrant and they're not going

611
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.119
<v Speaker 1>to be understood if they're actually missing as soon as

612
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 1>someone else or deemed what's the what's the best best

613
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>way to put this, uh, deemed important to search for

614
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 1>by police officers or something like that, like you know

615
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, there's other things at play. I think

616
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:04.119
<v Speaker 1>this is just the psychological aspect. So either way, it's

617
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 1>a whole fucked up situation.

618
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, very much so.

619
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, back to this though, Richard had a large

620
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.559
<v Speaker 1>history of work, which honestly is rather well documented. But

621
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going into a lot of detail about it

622
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 1>because in all honesty, we could literally do a whole

623
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 1>episode probably just on his resume.

624
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Is work really so this isn't necessarily surprising.

625
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Actually, he hopped job to job to job to job

626
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to job quite a bit, and so I don't really

627
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.039
<v Speaker 1>want to do that cover a whole episode on his

628
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>whole freaking resume because mostly just useless information and I

629
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 1>can sum it up relatively easy.

630
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fine with me.

631
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I'm basically going to try and cover the

632
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>more important stuff. So from nineteen sixty to nineteen sixty three,

633
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.599
<v Speaker 1>he would work as a laborer for the seven seven

634
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 1>up bottling company in Dallas.

635
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

636
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Then in October nineteen sixty one, he would meet a

637
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 1>young fifteen year old girl while he was working there. Sorry,

638
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>not while he was working there, while he's employed there

639
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:11.839
<v Speaker 1>at the time. Oh yes, outside of work I worded

640
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 1>that weird. Sorry. So he's employed by at this company

641
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 1>doing this thing, and he goes out to the Texas

642
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>State Fair and he meets Shirley Annette Malone. Now Shirley

643
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>is a fifteen year old girl. And by this time,

644
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Richard was twenty years old.

645
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I was Okay, how does he Yeah.

646
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 1>So he's twenty and now picture this. Richard had slicked back,

647
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 1>slicked back, blonde hair, with a deeply pitted face from

648
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.279
<v Speaker 1>like kind of acme scars. He drank, he smoked, and

649
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>he had a tattoo on his forearm that read born

650
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to raise Hell.

651
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah, okay, that actually really fits the whole visual.

652
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>There, I know, right, like I almost picture. I can't

653
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 1>remember the guy's name, but one of the guys from Greece. Okay,

654
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>there's one specific character from Greece. I can't remember his name,

655
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>but I believe he's the guy who was He was

656
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the Dick who who was dancing in the dance contest

657
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 1>and he stole sandy from Danny or something like that.

658
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I can't remember his name either. Someone

659
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:15.279
<v Speaker 2>will let us know.

660
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 1>That's guy I'm picturing. Anyways, though, I do think this

661
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 1>tattoo was actually a reference to both his own birthday

662
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and his lifestyle that he led now clearly born to

663
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>raise hell like he thinks he's cool. It's a statement

664
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.039
<v Speaker 1>about his life, right, But I do think there's a

665
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:33.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit of something else with his birthday in there too. Now.

666
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.079
<v Speaker 1>The day after his birthday, you see, was the infamous

667
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>attack on Pearl Harbor during World War Two, So there

668
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 1>was a direct quote from Richard in response to the

669
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>question when were you born, and this quote and documentary says,

670
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.160
<v Speaker 1>day I was born, all hell broke loose the next

671
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>day hasn't stopped since.

672
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>H wow.

673
00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So as kind of like surface level, like skeezy

674
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the tattoo sounds, I think there's a lot more depth

675
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>to that tattoo, which, not that I respect it, I

676
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>do think it's kind of cool that it's a little

677
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 1>bit more personalized in that way.

678
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you explained that but also

679
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 2>he's a dick.

680
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he definitely is. We've hardly even scratched a surface.

681
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I know, and I already really I just like, yeah,

682
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't like I don't like them.

683
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well this want to be greaser. He managed to

684
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 1>swoon this fifteen year old Shirley. The two began dating

685
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>shortly after they met, and only three weeks after they

686
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.559
<v Speaker 1>began dating, Shirley got pregnant.

687
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Holy okay, wow, like she's fifteen.

688
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 1>She's fifteen and now with a child on the way.

689
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>The two did the right thing and decided to stay

690
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>together and so doing and doing so, they got married

691
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.639
<v Speaker 1>on January nineteenth, in nineteen sixty two. I do want

692
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 1>to say this, there's many ways to raise a child.

693
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.559
<v Speaker 1>It's not that you have to be together, you have

694
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>to be married. I was worried about writing the sentence

695
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 1>multiple times, from like, how can I word this? Best way?

696
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>As long as you're together for the kid, right, that

697
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 1>was their intent. So that's why they got married.

698
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

699
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Now, Richard may have done the right thing to stay

700
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 1>together for raising the child and standing by Shirley's side,

701
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>but that didn't mean he continued to do the right

702
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>thing going forward?

703
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, now this is almost more cringe this story.

704
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.079
<v Speaker 2>The fact that he's a father.

705
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, his daughter, Robbie Lynn Speck, would be born

706
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>July fifth in nineteen sixty two, but he wouldn't be

707
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.159
<v Speaker 1>around for his wife or daughter, as he was in

708
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.039
<v Speaker 1>jail serving a twenty two day sentence for disturbing the

709
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 1>peace during a drunken fight.

710
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it wasn't even there for the birth.

711
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't right off the bad and the couple's relationship

712
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.800
<v Speaker 1>would get extremely rocky in their future. Now Richard would

713
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>even well, he would earn a living, and he would

714
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 1>do so you know, intent to hey, you know, bring

715
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.679
<v Speaker 1>home the paycheck, right, But he wouldn't even bring the

716
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:06.559
<v Speaker 1>paycheck home. He would go out use it, blow on drugs, alcohol,

717
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and sex workers.

718
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, real winner right here.

719
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 1>And during this time, his whole point of view on women,

720
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, whether being pure or not, would continue, and

721
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.559
<v Speaker 1>he actually began to develop these ideas for his wife,

722
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.039
<v Speaker 1>and he thought he started to picture her and think

723
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>that she was actually having affairs, which led to him thinking,

724
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you know that she is not pure, whatever the hell

725
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.199
<v Speaker 1>you want to say, So we'll skip all those derogatory terms.

726
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:41.519
<v Speaker 1>But beneath what he thought, she swore she wasn't being unfaithful.

727
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.800
<v Speaker 1>She swore that she was faithful, faithful to only him,

728
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 1>but he wouldn't believe her.

729
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he doesn't do anything, does he?

730
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, he does a lot, but we're gonna get on her.

731
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.920
<v Speaker 2>No, okay, because I was like, that's the mom of

732
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 2>his kid.

733
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Well he does, well, he does, and he doesn't. We're

734
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna touch on to this.

735
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Care I don't want to. Yeah, sorry, jumping ahead here.

736
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.400
<v Speaker 1>What he would what he would do. He would blow

737
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 1>his money on sex workers and drive by their house,

738
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 1>park outside and begin lude acts so his wife could see,

739
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and then he would speed off into the note what.

740
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 2>The actual shit? Yes, you're serious?

741
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>That serious.

742
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 2>That is one of the most fucked up things I've

743
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 2>ever heard.

744
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So the relationship got worse where he did

745
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 1>begin to do brutal things to her.

746
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.880
<v Speaker 2>This person is a nasty motherfucker.

747
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh he is. He's a douche canoe in a half.

748
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

749
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.440
<v Speaker 1>She was eventually living with a monster. Over the years,

750
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 1>she began to live in fear of him and what

751
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.199
<v Speaker 1>he was capable capable of. She claims it got to

752
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>the point where she was terrified for her life as

753
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>he would rape her at knife point multiple times a day,

754
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.199
<v Speaker 1>up to five times a day.

755
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow, wow wow, Yes, I hate this.

756
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Now, by the age of twenty four, this is

757
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.199
<v Speaker 1>jumping ahead a little bit here, and we're going to

758
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of fill in the gaps. But by the age

759
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>of twenty four, Richard will be arrested a total of

760
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 1>forty one times.

761
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, my gosh, they need to keep him in jail.

762
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 2>This person needs to stay in jail. Yes, what the

763
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 2>frig now? Richard's probation officer once stated when he's drinking,

764
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>he will fight or threaten anybody as long as he

765
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 2>has a knife or a gun. When he's sober or unarmed,

766
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't face down a mouse. Huh. So, I mean

767
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 2>you like, alcohol does bring down a lot of bear

768
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.599
<v Speaker 2>or like barriers, would that be the right word.

769
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 1>It makes a lot of people think they can do

770
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:42.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of shit, it does.

771
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I mean also they say somethings, it's your

772
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:45.000
<v Speaker 2>true self.

773
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

774
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:46.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

775
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I like to put it in the way of like

776
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 1>hold my beer complex, like you know, like I can

777
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.639
<v Speaker 1>do that hold my beer. Yeah, whether it's I can

778
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.039
<v Speaker 1>win this fight, or hey, you know I can do

779
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 1>a three sixty jump back flip off a swing set,

780
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever the case. Hold my beer, you know, gives you

781
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 1>that confidence. Yeah, so, yeah, that's clearly what it did

782
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.679
<v Speaker 1>to Richard. It's not an uncommon way to describe him

783
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>at all, a coward gutlass whether when he had a weapon,

784
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:18.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, he had power. So some of his criminal

785
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:22.280
<v Speaker 1>history would include. On July of nineteen sixty three, at

786
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.559
<v Speaker 1>the age of twenty one, he was sentenced to serve

787
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>three year term in prison after being convicted of forgering

788
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and casing a coworker's forty four dollars pay check, and

789
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>then robbing a grocery store for cigarettes, beer, and three

790
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 1>dollars in.

791
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Cat Oh my gosh.

792
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 1>He would only serve sixteen months, but his freedom only

793
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:43.480
<v Speaker 1>lasted a week after it was out because he was

794
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.280
<v Speaker 1>arrested again on January of ninth, nineteen sixty five, when

795
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.599
<v Speaker 1>he attacked a woman in a parking lot of her

796
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 1>apartment building. He wielded a seventeen inch carving knife.

797
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Oholy, yeah what.

798
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>However, even though she was at knife point, she managed

799
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 1>to scream enough that he ran away. Police showed up

800
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 1>quickly enough, and they were able to track him down

801
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 1>via her description only a few blocks away.

802
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and see it's probably it's going to just be

803
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 2>getting worse here. But I breakin hate stories like this. Yeah,

804
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:20.199
<v Speaker 2>where the person if like he just was kept in jail, yep,

805
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 2>like so much would just be prevented.

806
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Oh, you're right, you're one hundred percent right. That's

807
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>how this story goes.

808
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.519
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know where it's going. Like this is

809
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:32.480
<v Speaker 2>not good yep.

810
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>So from this, he was convicted of aggravated assault and

811
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 1>he was sentenced to sixteen months. However, due to an error,

812
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:44.519
<v Speaker 1>he was released in just six months later upon completing

813
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:48.960
<v Speaker 1>his parole violence sent violation sentence from the other one. Wow,

814
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>because they were supposed to apparently compile on each other,

815
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.119
<v Speaker 1>but it only ended up that he served the remainder

816
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.559
<v Speaker 1>of his parole base. Yeah, so that's cool.

817
00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Not no.

818
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>But then he would work for three months as a

819
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.039
<v Speaker 1>driver for the Patterson Meat Company, where he had multiple

820
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 1>accidents with their work truck, and he would be fired

821
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 1>for not showing up for work one day.

822
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Well I'm sure that was the last all.

823
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe not showing up for work is what

824
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.840
<v Speaker 1>got him fired, though, I think like multiple accidents in

825
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the work.

826
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Vehicle, that was probably the last.

827
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as the safety guy, I don't know's that's something

828
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 1>that I wouldn't be able to look past just saying.

829
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 1>In January of nineteen sixty six, Richard's wife would eventually

830
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 1>file for divorce and she would get full custody.

831
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Of the Yes by the girl.

832
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. By this time they were separated for a few months,

833
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 1>but she had filed for divorce officially, which is great.

834
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 1>He had the month prior to their divorce, moved in

835
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>with a twenty nine year old ex professional wrestler.

836
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

837
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she was a bartender at his favorite bar,

838
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Jenny's Lounge. He found work babysitting her three kids for

839
00:41:59.320 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 1>a while.

840
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that should not be anything that he does for work.

841
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.519
<v Speaker 1>You say, like he shouldn't be around kids basically, Yeah.

842
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Like he should not be a babysitter.

843
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably not. Not long after this, Richard would stab

844
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 1>a man in a knife fight at Jenny's Lounge. He

845
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:22.199
<v Speaker 1>was charged with again aggravated assault, but a defense attorney

846
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:26.119
<v Speaker 1>hired by his mother got the charge reduced to disturbing

847
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the peace.

848
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

849
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now Richard's mother being involved began to become a theme.

850
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>She was often bailing him out of jail or hiring

851
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:41.880
<v Speaker 1>attorneys as needed, basically coming to his defense, you know,

852
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 1>like ms Beck and call damn near.

853
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Which I'm almost a little bit surprised, but I mean,

854
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:47.920
<v Speaker 2>grant you that is her son.

855
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean like they once had this broken relationship,

856
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, between the two of them, like when Richard

857
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 1>was young. It's now become patched and back to what

858
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>it was prior to sort of thing.

859
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's because he's a kid that needs the attention exactly. Yeah.

860
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.440
<v Speaker 1>And with Richard's point of view on women, you're either

861
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 1>good or you're not, he had this ideal idea that

862
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 1>his mother was like a damn near saint, right because

863
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>before she wasn't and now she's they've fixed it and

864
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 1>she is good again in his books. So with his

865
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.440
<v Speaker 1>mom in his corner now bailing him out whenever he needed,

866
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 1>he just walked away and committed crime after crime after crime,

867
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 1>just simply committing to commit, continuing to commit, or committing

868
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 1>to commit. I guess actually that works.

869
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Too, slipping through the crack. So as he went, yeah.

870
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>On March fifth of nineteen sixty six, he robbed a

871
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 1>grocery store, stealing seventy cartons of cigarettes, which then he

872
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 1>proceeded to sell out of the trunk of his car

873
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.679
<v Speaker 1>in that grocery store is parking lot.

874
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Like I almost I just yeah, I'm just not going

875
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.119
<v Speaker 2>to say anything because I have to hold back my laughter.

876
00:43:56.239 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 1>That's ridiculous, that's it is. Honestly. The polast would actually

877
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.760
<v Speaker 1>trace his abandoned car and set out a warrant for

878
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>his arrest, but he skipped down before they could get

879
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to him. This would have been his forty second arrest

880
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Speaker 1>if it was made. Wow yep. So instead of going

881
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.679
<v Speaker 1>to jail again, though, he would make his way to

882
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:24.199
<v Speaker 1>his childhood home in Monmouth, Illinois. On April second, Richard

883
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.519
<v Speaker 1>to be caught red handed as he was robbing a

884
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 1>home of a sixty five year old woman named Miss

885
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Virgil Harris. It was one am and she was just

886
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 1>returning home from a babysitting job when she found Richard

887
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 1>inside her home.

888
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:37.679
<v Speaker 2>Geese.

889
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:41.880
<v Speaker 1>There stood this six foot tall, greasy douche canoe motherfucker

890
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 1>with a knife in his hand. So apparently he gently

891
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and politely tied her up with shreds of her housecoat

892
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.559
<v Speaker 1>as he cut from the fabric, and he assured her

893
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't going to hurt her. All she needed

894
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 1>to do was comply with his demands. Then he raped her,

895
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.239
<v Speaker 1>ransacked her house, and stole the two dollars and fifty

896
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 1>cents that she made babysitting that evening before leaving and

897
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:09.320
<v Speaker 1>going off into the night.

898
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Hey, yes, holy shit, this guy is fucking disgusting.

899
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh he is. The woman would later describe her its

900
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 1>attacker as this six foot tall white male who was

901
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 1>very polite and spoke very softly with a Southern draw.

902
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Now this description didn't fit many people in the Illinois

903
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 1>area and immediately put Richard under suspicion with his Southern draw.

904
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Police spoke with him briefly, but before they were able

905
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to really you make anything happen, he skipped down.

906
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:45.519
<v Speaker 2>I knew that was coming.

907
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. A week later, Mary Kathlyn Pierce, a thirty two

908
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>year old barmaid, was last seen leaving a bar that

909
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>she worked at at around twelve twenty am on April ninth.

910
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:01.400
<v Speaker 1>On April thirteenth, she was officially reported miss and then

911
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.679
<v Speaker 1>later that day her body was found behind the bar

912
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.119
<v Speaker 1>she worked at. She had died from a severe blow

913
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to her stomach, which had rubbed her her liver.

914
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

915
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Now police knew Richard frequented the bar, and they showed

916
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.079
<v Speaker 1>up to question him. Where he was staying. He was,

917
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.679
<v Speaker 1>once again already gone. I search for his hotel room

918
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.280
<v Speaker 1>that he was staying at. The police found a radio

919
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 1>and costume jewelry that the sixty five year old Miss

920
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 1>virgin Harris had reporting missing from her house, as well

921
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 1>as items reported missing in a few other local burglaries

922
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:35.480
<v Speaker 1>in the previous month.

923
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 2>So do they know? Do we know that he killed

924
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 2>that woman?

925
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Or it's just like speculation, it's I don't think it's confirmed,

926
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.559
<v Speaker 1>but it's basically yeah, he pretty much did. Yeah.

927
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, like I'm sorry, but just skipping town shouldn't

928
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 2>be getting you away legit, like make you be able

929
00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:00.599
<v Speaker 2>to get away with the shit, should it? Well it

930
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.159
<v Speaker 2>wasn't nowadays.

931
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>No, but nowadays it's a lot easier to get information

932
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 1>out there. It's a lot harder to hide, you know

933
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:08.480
<v Speaker 1>what I mean?

934
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:10.360
<v Speaker 2>That's true, But I'm getting pissed.

935
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now where did I leave off here? Okay? Right? Okay,

936
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 1>so April nineteenth of nineteen sixty six, Richard went to

937
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 1>stay with his sister Martha and her family. He told

938
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>them when he arrived that the mafia was after him

939
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:29.239
<v Speaker 1>because they were trying to wrangle him into selling narcotics.

940
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 1>And he refused.

941
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's at.

942
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, which now meant they were after him. So he's he's,

943
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, turning over a leaf. He's a good guy, so,

944
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.519
<v Speaker 1>you know what, helping out her brother and this sort

945
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. So he stayed there with her. Now, through

946
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 1>his brother in law, Richard found work on board a

947
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 1>freight ship, but it didn't last too long, of course,

948
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 1>just like everything else. His first time out at sea,

949
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.400
<v Speaker 1>he was actually found on the ship buckled over in pain,

950
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.400
<v Speaker 1>holding his stomach. He was immediately taken by the US

951
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Coast Guard via helicopter to Saint Joseph Hospital in Hancock, Michigan,

952
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and was diagnosed with appendicitis. According to the doctor, another

953
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 1>hour or so and it probably would have ruptured and

954
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:13.119
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have.

955
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Made it, no comment fair enough.

956
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.840
<v Speaker 1>After the emergency surgery, he recovered and returned to work.

957
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.840
<v Speaker 1>But just like most things, like I said, it didn't

958
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 1>last too long. He would get himself into trouble on

959
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:32.760
<v Speaker 1>several occasions, you know, getting drunk, taking pills and fighting

960
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 1>on board ship, that sort of stuff. He would even

961
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 1>expose himself to crew members and on two occasions or sorry,

962
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:42.039
<v Speaker 1>on one occasion, he actually fell overboard, but he would

963
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.880
<v Speaker 1>ultimately get ultimately get let go when he pulled a

964
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>knife on one of his superiors the ship, one of

965
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the ship's.

966
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Officers that would probably do it, probably gave it. There's

967
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:55.400
<v Speaker 2>two incidents. He's freaking appendicitis and falling overboard. God does

968
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.360
<v Speaker 2>this person like, Wow, does he have any sort of

969
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, luck, Like, how is he surviving?

970
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.159
<v Speaker 1>He's clearly got luck on his side, that's for sure.

971
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:05.880
<v Speaker 2>He shouldn't.

972
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean not to say that anyone deserves death.

973
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 1>That's not where I'm going to go with That's.

974
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Not what I'm saying either. But I mean, I.

975
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Know what you're saying. It's if this individual didn't have

976
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:23.079
<v Speaker 1>luck on his side, it could have saved others lives.

977
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 1>That's what we're ultimately getting, not that anyone deserves to die.

978
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>That's it. That's all I want to say about that. Now.

979
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Regarding his loss of job on this ship, though, his

980
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 1>union officer actually told Richard that he was willing and

981
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.199
<v Speaker 1>confident that he could get Richard his job back, but

982
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Richard declined, telling him that he just didn't understand.

983
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:46.639
<v Speaker 2>How on earth would he have thought he could get

984
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:47.280
<v Speaker 2>his job back.

985
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 1>But okay, damn good union officer, I guess, but Richard declined,

986
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what he's saying, You don't understand. You don't understand.

987
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:59.519
<v Speaker 1>And assumably Richard knew that like the union arbitration or whatever,

988
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.159
<v Speaker 1>would potentially dig up too much of his past history,

989
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, his forty one arrests, his open warrants in

990
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 1>other states, something he didn't want an employer or anyone

991
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:10.679
<v Speaker 1>else to know about.

992
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.440
<v Speaker 2>So he was being smart there. Really.

993
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he was without a job, and luckily for him,

994
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.440
<v Speaker 1>he actually befriended a nurse while he was in the

995
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Speaker 1>hospital with his appendicitis. Now, this was Judy Lacamanani. I

996
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 1>think I said that name right, Really, hope I did.

997
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>A twenty eight year old nurse aid. Now, Richard was

998
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 1>apparently extremely kind to her and would take her out

999
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:39.400
<v Speaker 1>for nice dinners during their time together. Now, perhaps this

1000
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.079
<v Speaker 1>was the only time in life where he was a

1001
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.639
<v Speaker 1>rather decent human being because she swears up and down

1002
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 1>he was a great guy.

1003
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1004
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.760
<v Speaker 1>So on June twenty seventh, Judy would actually give Richard

1005
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.400
<v Speaker 1>eighty dollars now that he's out of work, to help

1006
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:57.599
<v Speaker 1>out while he continued to look for another job. But

1007
00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it didn't really help, as it just gave him a

1008
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 1>and a reason to not find work for the next two.

1009
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Weeks because he had money to be buying booze and stuff.

1010
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.280
<v Speaker 1>He had money to bum around.

1011
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah h No.

1012
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Richard was staying with his sister still and was just

1013
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.280
<v Speaker 1>being a lump on the couch drinking and reading comic books.

1014
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.199
<v Speaker 1>But by July eleventh, he had overstayed his welcome. His

1015
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.320
<v Speaker 1>bags were packed and he was on his way out

1016
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the door. His brother in law drove him to the

1017
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>NMU Hiring Hall to find work. There, he found a

1018
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.280
<v Speaker 1>room and stayed the night about a mile away. In

1019
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 1>the morning, he headed over to see what he could

1020
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.079
<v Speaker 1>find for work. By noon, he was assigned on board

1021
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.800
<v Speaker 1>another ship, so he headed to his new job that

1022
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.920
<v Speaker 1>was just about thirty minutes away. But when he arrived

1023
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:47.639
<v Speaker 1>things had changed. His job had actually already been filled

1024
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 1>and he was again left without work. And that is

1025
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.480
<v Speaker 1>shitty it is, and needless to say, Richard was pissed.

1026
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I'd be pissed. Yeah, I showed up for a job

1027
00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't actually have it.

1028
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 2>But it's freaking shocking. I mean, background checks and shit

1029
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 2>not a thing then, Eh, not so.

1030
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Much, no, I mean back in those days, it's like,

1031
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:10.480
<v Speaker 1>do you have a pair of work boots? Great, get

1032
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:11.039
<v Speaker 1>well work.

1033
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 2>And we're getting in to that a little bit again.

1034
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Pretty a lot of people are really not able to

1035
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>find employees and stuff anymore.

1036
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a weird time, actually it is. But needless

1037
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.119
<v Speaker 1>to say, though, there was nothing Richard could do about it.

1038
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:28.480
<v Speaker 1>So we went back to the hiring hall. But by

1039
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 1>the time he got back to the hall it was

1040
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 1>closed again, so he would have to wait another day

1041
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>and do it all over. But this time he didn't

1042
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.079
<v Speaker 1>have enough money to get another room, so he found

1043
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 1>some shelter for the night in an unfinished house and

1044
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:47.079
<v Speaker 1>again returned to the hiring hall the next morning. He

1045
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.519
<v Speaker 1>was livid when he got back to the hall. You know,

1046
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.159
<v Speaker 1>of course, he's pissed they sent about on this wasted

1047
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:56.360
<v Speaker 1>his time whatever it is, right, so he couldn't find

1048
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.760
<v Speaker 1>any more work. Still that day, and his sister had

1049
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 1>actually driven down that day too to see how he

1050
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.079
<v Speaker 1>was doing. She took him for a drive in her

1051
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>car and they talked for about thirty minutes, and they

1052
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 1>parked at East one hundred Street, across the street from

1053
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:13.239
<v Speaker 1>some townhouses where these nursing students were living. His sister

1054
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 1>gave him twenty five dollars in the meantime, but he

1055
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of was done with the hiring hall, so he

1056
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 1>left and he walked about one half miles east to

1057
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:26.079
<v Speaker 1>check in to a nearby shipyard inn. He's got a

1058
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:29.840
<v Speaker 1>room for the night, and there he kind of remained

1059
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the day, drowning his sorrows in

1060
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 1>a nearby bar. But there was a woman at the

1061
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.280
<v Speaker 1>bar that had caught his eye while he was drinking.

1062
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 1>This woman was fifty three year old Ella May Hooper.

1063
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Now Richard watched her as he sipped from his glass.

1064
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<v Speaker 1>As she left, so did he. Then she would walk

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<v Speaker 1>away and hit up another bar, and so did he. Unknowingly,

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<v Speaker 1>she had Richard tailing her as she went from place

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<v Speaker 1>to place. Then, unexpectedly, when he saw his chance, he

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<v Speaker 1>approached her and took her by knife point up to

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<v Speaker 1>his room. Wow there, he raped her and stole a

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<v Speaker 1>black twenty two caliber rote him pistol from her purse.

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<v Speaker 1>As we know with Richard, he's a bit of a coward,

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<v Speaker 1>but when he gets a weapon in his hands, he

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<v Speaker 1>becomes power hungry. And up until now he's only ever

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<v Speaker 1>really had a knife on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I was going to say, has he had

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<v Speaker 2>a gun on him prior too?

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<v Speaker 1>Not as much as we know. In the past few days,

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of been at his breaking point. Decline from job,

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<v Speaker 1>decline from job, kicked from his sister's place, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping under the stars, basically trying to find somewhere where

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<v Speaker 1>he can get some shelter for the night. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>doing too well, so in his head he had a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>So he dressed himself up in all black with his

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<v Speaker 1>knife and newly acquired pistol. Then he went out for

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<v Speaker 1>a few more drinks until ten twenty pm to build

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<v Speaker 1>up his courage. Then he started walking to that nearby

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<v Speaker 1>nursing townhouse at twenty three nineteen East one hundred Street,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where we're going to stop this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Okay, the one that he was like

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<v Speaker 2>when he was with his sister that he saw. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're stopping in there, yes, okay, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So to sum this up, Richard went through one hell

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<v Speaker 1>of a life so far. He really did. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to take that away from him. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>shit upbringing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's had a hard time, he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a very hard time. But also he brought a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of hard times onto himself. He did a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of absolutely horrendous things, and he's about to do something

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<v Speaker 1>even more horrendous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine because look at

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<v Speaker 2>what he's already done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, wow, wow wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to hear what happens next, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to listen next time on Wicked and Graham, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna set the next episode out on Tuesday, as we

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<v Speaker 1>generally always do a little bit late on this week, but.

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<v Speaker 2>So that means a little bit less of a wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, there you go, words right out of my mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done. In the meantime, if you're getting that itch

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're on Reddit, We're on Twitter. Not that

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<v Speaker 1>we use most of these things, but we are there.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on a lot of things, So.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you being here. We appreciate you being on

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<v Speaker 1>any of those platforms that we are. Our most active

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<v Speaker 1>platforms are Patreon and Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally and Facebook. Really yeah, yeah that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So either way, we thank you for being here and

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<v Speaker 1>we look forward to seeing you in the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>and until then, stay Wicked.