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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Mad, What are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here looking them do the window now and
Speaker 2: I don't need anything. I don't want to go out
Speaker 2: toiight just fight. Hello, hit the buddy out here? What
Speaker 2: quent on out there's thought of a bitch of about
Speaker 2: text nine? I don't know. Easy am out there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm walking right Eddy, all right?
Speaker 1: Folks want to welcome our guests to the show. It
Speaker 1: is Tyler and flat Rock. Welcome to the show, fellas,
Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. I am glad to have you.
Speaker 3: Flat Rock. It's been a minute.
Speaker 1: I saw you three or four years ago up in
Speaker 1: Tennessee at the Manimal Research squatch out. It was good
Speaker 1: to hang out with you guys. Had a good time
Speaker 1: up there. Can't wait to get into what's been going
Speaker 1: on with your research and your experiences.
Speaker 3: But let's start with Tyler. I like to start in the.
Speaker 1: Same place with most people. Everybody has something that got
Speaker 1: them interested in this subject. What was it for you
Speaker 1: that got you interested in the subject of bigfoot sasquatch?
Speaker 3: To begin with? All right?
Speaker 4: So it started when I was a teenager, used to
Speaker 4: deer hunting up South Alabama, Southeast Alabama, actually in hunting
Speaker 4: clubs over the years.
Speaker 3: Long story short.
Speaker 4: We were up there for a weekend and I was
Speaker 4: coming out of the woods making my way out of
Speaker 4: my tree stand, and I could hear pretty much something
Speaker 4: kind of catty corner of me, like coming up out
Speaker 4: of the creek, like about to meet me in this
Speaker 4: little bitty dim road that I'm walking in. It's just
Speaker 4: an old dem road that goes through some planted pines
Speaker 4: and it goes into a sage grass field. I stepped
Speaker 4: out of the pines into that field. It maybe five
Speaker 4: steps ten steps from me. This thing yelled at me
Speaker 4: and it smacked me in the face. I could just
Speaker 4: feel it just overcome my whole body, man, and it
Speaker 4: was unlike nothing I've ever experienced. And I used to
Speaker 4: not believe in this stuff. I used to see the
Speaker 4: stuff on TV when I was a kid History Channel
Speaker 4: and all that. I was like, I come on, I
Speaker 4: grew up deer hunting, turkey hunting, fishing, camping. If there
Speaker 4: was something out here, I'd have done seen it by now,
Speaker 4: and I'd be damned if that weekend it didn't happen.
Speaker 4: That's what put me on the path I am now.
Speaker 1: It definitely does one or two things when you have
Speaker 1: an experience like that. It either sends you down the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole and you want to know any and everything
Speaker 1: there is to know about these things, or it sends
Speaker 1: you in the opposite direction of holy shit, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that was. I don't care what that was.
Speaker 1: I'm done with it. Clearly you went the route of
Speaker 1: going down the rabbit hole. Did that start for you
Speaker 1: immediately after that experience, and you go into looking at
Speaker 1: what these creatures are and you want to know.
Speaker 3: More about them? Or did it take a while.
Speaker 1: Was there a progression for you after your experience and
Speaker 1: then getting into actually researching and figuring out what these
Speaker 1: things are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it took me a little bit because after what happened,
Speaker 4: it took me a little while to be able to
Speaker 4: wrap my brain around it. I was pretty uncomfortable because,
Speaker 4: like I said, growing up hunting and fishing, I've walked
Speaker 4: to my tree standing in the dark and come out
Speaker 4: in the dark no light because it's like second nature.
Speaker 4: And now I just I don't have that ability anymore.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately it was stripped away from me. But yeah, it
Speaker 4: took me a handful of years to get back to
Speaker 4: going in the woods. I put hunting down for a
Speaker 4: little while and actually started picking up competitive bowling, and
Speaker 4: that was my way to help me deal with it
Speaker 4: a little bit. In the Yeah, I pretty much put
Speaker 4: deer hunting down for a handful of years, and I
Speaker 4: eventually got to where I was comfortable to go back
Speaker 4: in the woods. And then I got to where I
Speaker 4: wanted to know more. So I started just doing my
Speaker 4: own thing, going out in the woods and just seeing
Speaker 4: what happens. And sometimes things have happened and it's insane,
Speaker 4: and there's other times where not so much.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the sound that you heard,
Speaker 1: the screen that you heard. Was it just the vocalization
Speaker 1: or did you actually see this creature when it was vocalizing.
Speaker 1: Take us back and talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: exactly what you experienced it. I know it's very difficult
Speaker 1: because I've had experiences with vocalizations and it's often hard
Speaker 1: to put it into words what you heard and felt.
Speaker 1: But do the best you can for is if you
Speaker 1: would take us back there and do the best you
Speaker 1: can as far as talking a little bit more about
Speaker 1: what you heard and if you saw anything what you saw.
Speaker 4: Okay, if this makes any sense to me, it feels
Speaker 4: like I felt it before I could hear it. But
Speaker 4: it started extremely low and worked itself up to extremely high,
Speaker 4: and it was deafening, trying to think like a bull
Speaker 4: and a tiger.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It sounded terrifying, That's all I can really say. It
Speaker 4: was something that is not normal. Because I know we've
Speaker 4: got some cats in the South down here, and I've
Speaker 4: heard the sounds they make coyotes. This is not either
Speaker 4: of them. This was something else. I still hear it
Speaker 4: in my sleep at night.
Speaker 1: I definitely am right there with you. It's one of
Speaker 1: the first things that started happening here on our property
Speaker 1: probably four years ago. Was the vocalizations. I've heard them
Speaker 1: in other places now and it's something that sticks with you.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to put into words, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: what you hear, because it's unlike anything you've ever heard before.
Speaker 1: And I know it's frustrating for people that are listening
Speaker 1: to go man, I want to know more about the
Speaker 1: sounds because I've never heard that, but it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: to describe. I mean, for me, we have a reference
Speaker 1: point in certain cases like the Ohio how the map
Speaker 1: moneymaker Ohio how is the closest thing that I used
Speaker 1: to describe what we heard initially here on the property,
Speaker 1: But there's still no way to do it justice. For
Speaker 1: in the moment, how loud it wasn't how like you said,
Speaker 1: you felt it almost before you heard it, and that's
Speaker 1: very similar.
Speaker 3: So let's kick it over the flat rock.
Speaker 1: The man with the many experiences over the many years
Speaker 1: that you've been doing this, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about what got you interested in the subject of bigfoot.
Speaker 3: To begin with, what got me interested was actually coming across.
Speaker 3: For one, right off the bat, we had normal's I
Speaker 3: ain't going on with we didn't contribute to the big boot,
Speaker 3: the bang and the howl and all f w at all.
Speaker 3: But I was fitting on my mom's back, ohor figure
Speaker 3: ut lesten to mister Bobby bang on his Coatjack. I
Speaker 3: look over to my left and here's one big old
Speaker 3: black thing then right there. Didn't know what it was
Speaker 3: at per and then ye know, it turned towards me.
Speaker 3: I knew right down what it was. That's what got
Speaker 3: me interested. I've been recording and felm and everything, but
Speaker 3: that's what got me interested. The next thing, you know,
Speaker 3: I was working over here in the house. I've seen
Speaker 3: a light between mine and my mother's house. I thought
Speaker 3: it was a bear or something, so I put a
Speaker 3: camera here in the window because if I could see
Speaker 3: it blink, that's when I knew it wasn't that somebody
Speaker 3: there in the middle of the light. But it also
Speaker 3: shifted side to side. That's what it kept on doing
Speaker 3: until it got this tree. Found out later that was
Speaker 3: a actual big foot and not a bear that I
Speaker 3: thought it was, But I filmed it, called it. But
Speaker 3: the recordings I get out here, it's just crazy. It
Speaker 3: is crazy. So eventually matter going in these conferdences I
Speaker 3: met a couple of buddies who introduced me to Tyler.
Speaker 3: One day, Tyler, come over here to check it out
Speaker 3: till they come up here and camp. We sit around,
Speaker 3: talk a little bit. He was about leave out out
Speaker 3: there on the port. He donet go went down the
Speaker 3: porch and I look over in the woodline. There two
Speaker 3: eyes looking directly at her. I called Tyler back. I said, Tyler,
Speaker 3: is that all shining through the wood right there? And
Speaker 3: he looking at him He sees it. So I'm telling him,
Speaker 3: go get a camera, Tyler, you want to take it
Speaker 3: from here? Buddy.
Speaker 4: We were like I said, he was standing out there,
Speaker 4: and so I walked to the vehicle to go get
Speaker 4: the camera. So as I'm walking, the eyeballs start moving.
Speaker 4: As I'm going to the car, I could see these
Speaker 4: eyeballs pretty.
Speaker 3: Much following me all the way.
Speaker 4: Get in line with my vehicle, get the camera, then
Speaker 4: walk back. They're just following me again all the way
Speaker 4: back to where I was standing. And at first I
Speaker 4: thought it was the moon because of the color, because
Speaker 4: I just see one and I was like, is that
Speaker 4: the moon coming up?
Speaker 3: And he was like no.
Speaker 4: Then I seen the other one. That's what I was like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, his nuts, man.
Speaker 3: I've been in biting rechurcher over here every since. Every
Speaker 3: time it started to get active, I get thurt and
Speaker 3: researchers come over here and let him do the thing.
Speaker 3: But Tyler, he hit the main researcher in this area
Speaker 3: on my property, getting out there, camping, going out there,
Speaker 3: not really going to look for him.
Speaker 4: We don't have to, they're there.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to your first experience when
Speaker 1: you were a kid. Hey, how old were you when
Speaker 1: you had that experience? And was bigfoot something on your
Speaker 1: radar at that time? I know you didn't immediately think that,
Speaker 1: or maybe you did immediately think what it was. But
Speaker 1: was it something that was discussed in the area, Because
Speaker 1: I know as a kid, I grew up in rural
Speaker 1: North Georgia and bigfoot was something that people talked about.
Speaker 1: They didn't say bigfoot or south Squatch. They said wild men,
Speaker 1: hairy men. It was different wording that Bigfoot in Sasquatch
Speaker 1: wasn't really in the nomenclature in that area for that time.
Speaker 1: But was that something that your family or you had
Speaker 1: discussed with other people? Was bigfoot on your radar when
Speaker 1: you saw this.
Speaker 3: Thing it what thick year if ago. That's when my
Speaker 3: birth came on. But before that, no, I never believed
Speaker 3: it existed, but never come across our mind that big
Speaker 3: book was really real.
Speaker 1: You mentioned recordings earlier and some of the experiences that
Speaker 1: you guys have had out in your research area. Let's
Speaker 1: go through your experiences Class A sightings. How many times
Speaker 1: you've seen these things. Let's talk about what you saw.
Speaker 1: Then let's go into what you're recording, what you've heard
Speaker 1: in some of the vocalizations and other experiences that you're having.
Speaker 3: Now, I have had many shorties. I've had the two
Speaker 3: family shoty two full of families, the mother and the
Speaker 3: kids audio. While I got so much audio, it's just unreal.
Speaker 3: I got the classic owl, the growl, yell, word, languide,
Speaker 3: eighth grade, all the things you can think of. A
Speaker 3: big boots does out and would I got it.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna play you a few clips that
Speaker 1: flat Rock sent over. They're a little longer than what
Speaker 1: I'd usually include, but I think they're worth hearing all
Speaker 1: the way through. Just listen with an open ear. Maybe
Speaker 1: you'll notice something interesting, something subtle that stands out. Let's
Speaker 1: check it out.
Speaker 5: Actor. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Remember that uh which she was telling us that story
Speaker 4: about the one he'ple the wind out.
Speaker 2: That that was went down a shotgun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I want to I want to talk.
Speaker 5: To that man.
Speaker 2: He lives right now, streak and he didn't wait. So
Speaker 2: that rock my new one. There is there is and then.
Speaker 6: And then that WoT that word, and then.
Speaker 1: Then I'll stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see
Speaker 1: when right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: And all right, and.
Speaker 2: Then then.
Speaker 6: That's gone, and then and then.
Speaker 2: And then then that'll pe And I didn't know one.
Speaker 5: I find by my start.
Speaker 2: One two.
Speaker 3: Days I got it words killing it K nine. One
Speaker 3: experience I've had with them throwing rock. They hit my
Speaker 3: dog in the back leg with a rock before we
Speaker 3: knew they existed. It hurt him pretty bad. We've had
Speaker 3: experiences where they actually you killed one my brother's dog.
Speaker 3: They did that. Just listening to the screams and the
Speaker 3: growling out there, it's amazing when they do what they do,
Speaker 3: it does go right through you. I built me on
Speaker 3: my own listening of wifes out here to where I
Speaker 3: could hear everything outside all night long from right here
Speaker 3: in my living room. That's the way I'm able to
Speaker 3: record when I don't know they're out there and I
Speaker 3: pick up what they're doing. But that's basically what I do, Brian.
Speaker 3: I don't consider it research because I don't consider myself
Speaker 3: a researcher or investigator. I just do what a normal
Speaker 3: person would do when he got these things on your properties. Here,
Speaker 3: you did death, and I think that's actually the best
Speaker 3: way to go about it. Every time I've went out
Speaker 3: looking for these things, with a couple of exceptions, I
Speaker 3: don't go out searching. I don't go out with a
Speaker 3: ton of equipment. I've been out with people who have
Speaker 3: a ton of equipment, but I don't personally do that.
Speaker 3: It's usually just something to collect audio and maybe my
Speaker 3: iPhone or something. But I go out and just do
Speaker 3: what you normally do in the woods. It took me
Speaker 3: until last year to be able to have an experience
Speaker 3: where I got to see these things. I had to
Speaker 3: go to the Pacific Northwest to make it happen, because
Speaker 3: I've experienced things of cast foot prants on our property here.
Speaker 3: I have found tree structures, but I've never had a
Speaker 3: sighting here on the property. Let's go back you mentioned
Speaker 3: this earlier. You just flew by this.
Speaker 1: We've got to go back and talk about this family
Speaker 1: that you witnessed. Go back and talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about these experiences. Tell us where you were, what you
Speaker 1: were doing, and tell us what you saw.
Speaker 3: All right. The bird family, I was saying, was out
Speaker 3: in my back door. Mama, Juve and Alem and three
Speaker 3: little kids, and they were just staring my way. I
Speaker 3: snapped a picture of them. I'll send it to you
Speaker 3: if you want. You actually see it on my Facebook
Speaker 3: page as well, but I'll send it to you. Other family,
Speaker 3: I say, I was sitting on my mom's back and forth.
Speaker 3: I set my camera out and I faced it toward
Speaker 3: this nesting area that we always see them in or
Speaker 3: blind whichever one you people want to call it. But
Speaker 3: I saw femino where and I seen them bunched up.
Speaker 3: I sammed in on them. I caught the juvenile looked
Speaker 3: like three little kids in there and a mama. They said,
Speaker 3: what happened? I just took a picture of one. Come
Speaker 3: back in the hall. Then the other family. I just
Speaker 3: fimmed them for a couple of minutes, walk back in
Speaker 3: the aisle. They what ended up avenue because once you
Speaker 3: see them all the time and hear them all the time,
Speaker 3: it's really no big thing anymore. Yeah, you're scared to
Speaker 3: dance of them, but you get what you want to
Speaker 3: get yet and move on. I mean one I'm wanting
Speaker 3: to do now that I know what research is all about,
Speaker 3: because I didn't know what research it was about at
Speaker 3: that time, But now that I do, we're gonna get
Speaker 3: fed up here. We got some people coming Tyler for
Speaker 3: one of them. We're gonna get these creatures out and
Speaker 3: open on them on thermal with their one We're gonna
Speaker 3: present it out to the world. It's gonna be thermal
Speaker 3: if anything. Yeah, both like could go be thermal. Yep.
Speaker 1: So for those of us who haven't had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to see them as much as you do, talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about what you're seeing physically. You're describing a male,
Speaker 1: a female, and smaller individuals. What are you seeing as
Speaker 1: far as size, hair color, as much as a con
Speaker 1: description as you can give us.
Speaker 3: All Right, I've only feund one brown one here, Okay,
Speaker 3: I mentioned that on quite a few podcasts by the
Speaker 3: brown one followed my mom around a lot. I got
Speaker 3: him on footage a few times after I got hold
Speaker 3: of a game ward. A few weeks after that, Belyve,
Speaker 3: they come over here and eradicate him because we ain't
Speaker 3: never seen him again. But the other one all part
Speaker 3: of black. Some of them have gray faces, some of
Speaker 3: them have black faces, their whole body black. Very hard
Speaker 3: to see in the wood caause he just looked like
Speaker 3: shadows in the wood. The biggest one I seen was
Speaker 3: the first one I sank. He was easily ten foot
Speaker 3: easy ten foot. The last one I seen was between
Speaker 3: four and five foot tall. He just those juvenile one
Speaker 3: over in this little nestinary before we drove tractor through
Speaker 3: it in twenty twenty one. That was the last juvenile
Speaker 3: I think that one that was in my tree stand.
Speaker 3: He was twice my size. I got a comparison picture
Speaker 3: of me standing the same spot he was in. He
Speaker 3: was twice my size. The thickness is just crazy. I
Speaker 3: came to really described the thickness of them, cause he's
Speaker 3: just so big. Just the sizes I seen from very
Speaker 3: tall to baby size, which looked to be maybe a
Speaker 3: butt and a half two footing of four to five footer.
Speaker 3: But mostly I can't say they're females or male. Okay,
Speaker 3: cause I just ain't never seen the breast of one,
Speaker 3: but majority of them. The average size you hear is
Speaker 3: the seven to eight footer were the average sizes.
Speaker 1: We can't skim over that. You said there was a
Speaker 1: big foot in your dear stand. Tell us the story man,
Speaker 1: How did that come to beat?
Speaker 3: To see them on my Facebook page? You seme right
Speaker 3: there between them trees. A researcher from mid Tumpkin came
Speaker 3: over here. I took him over here in his block
Speaker 3: of wood. He was late when I had to go somewhere,
Speaker 3: so I rushed him into there. We didn't have time
Speaker 3: to really get his camera and all that set up
Speaker 3: me him and my dog Booth went back there. Boot
Speaker 3: kept fitting down on us, and one time he sit
Speaker 3: down on us. This guy said, did I hear something walk?
Speaker 3: I said no, so Boo ended up getting back up.
Speaker 3: Got about forty yards he said out again, Keith. With
Speaker 3: this researcher, he kept walking forward until he passed us three,
Speaker 3: and he looking over to his left and he just
Speaker 3: stopped in his tracks and backed up, and he said,
Speaker 3: is that what I think it is?
Speaker 6: Over?
Speaker 3: So I went up by three. He looked over and yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a big black one standing in the right there.
Speaker 3: I think he was squatty, but I'm just gonna say standing.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing that was the one that I
Speaker 3: ended up catching on my trail camera that was in
Speaker 3: my tree s down that night and Butch and my
Speaker 3: deer coming in. I ended up catching him on the
Speaker 3: trill camera the other time. This was before we knew
Speaker 3: they were big butts. I was over in my hunt
Speaker 3: now it was in a different area, this way a caning,
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting there. I hear knocked to my wrong
Speaker 3: to my three pacific knocks, knock, knocked. I just kept
Speaker 3: putting five, done it two or three times, and then
Speaker 3: next thing you know, I hear something you coming straight
Speaker 3: in front of me coming up this little ridge. I
Speaker 3: fair it was just go be a bear or a
Speaker 3: couple of deer coming up. It just sounded different. It
Speaker 3: was like stumping at this point. Like I said, I
Speaker 3: didn't know nothing about bigfoot but this time, but it
Speaker 3: never showed itself. I waited to sit down for about
Speaker 3: thirty miles to an hour after that happened, never happened again.
Speaker 3: It just stopped. Even the knocking, it just stopped. But
Speaker 3: the knocking on both sides. I mean I just blowed
Speaker 3: it off, even blowed off whatever was coming up that ridge,
Speaker 3: which was loud because you could hear to leave crunching
Speaker 3: down and the sticks are breaking. But nothing showed itself.
Speaker 3: Can I contribute that to a bigfoot encounter. No, But
Speaker 3: if you put it all together, the three knocking on blue,
Speaker 3: I me coming up that metal like a triangola, shit
Speaker 3: out of me. I think I can dimly two times
Speaker 3: in my hunting stand that something's happened. Once at night
Speaker 3: with that one and then that one time I was
Speaker 3: actually in my tree stand when it happened.
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. It's really about the
Speaker 1: totality of the circumstances. A couple of things here and there.
Speaker 1: I look back on the times I've been in the
Speaker 1: woods and experienced things when Bigfoot wasn't really on my radar,
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, you look back now and
Speaker 1: you go, wow, was that something that time that I
Speaker 1: felt watched? And those kind of things. So it's all
Speaker 1: about the totality of the circumstances for sure. Obviously, not
Speaker 1: everything that moves in the woods is Bigfoot, so you
Speaker 1: have to be very careful about that. I want to
Speaker 1: go back to when you started earlier. You were talking
Speaker 1: about you have them recorded killing canines, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: your brother's dog getting killed.
Speaker 3: When my brother dog got killed, both my dog and
Speaker 3: his dog went just in the tree line to room.
Speaker 3: They never showed back out. Eventually we went looking for him.
Speaker 3: We kept yelling out their name, and we got on
Speaker 3: down there what we called the high grass area, and
Speaker 3: we got around this curve, yelled their name on the
Speaker 3: same boo, which is my dog stick his hood up
Speaker 3: out of the high grass and then just drop back down.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't move to We got right there on top
Speaker 3: of him, and then he finally got up. We got
Speaker 3: him home. We went back out there looking for my
Speaker 3: brother's dog. We just never could find it. He would
Speaker 3: never be seen again after that day. That dog never
Speaker 3: left the yard other than just to go right there
Speaker 3: in the tree line the bathroom. So we figured there's
Speaker 3: no doubt that dog got killed. Mostly after listening to
Speaker 3: this caneine that got killed. We're sitting here at the
Speaker 3: house at least I am. Anyway, I'm sitting out on
Speaker 3: the port. I'm hearing the howland going on and recording it.
Speaker 3: The Holland stopped. I appaulsed at for a circuit, and
Speaker 3: then next day, you know, I'm hearing this canine dog yelping.
Speaker 3: It sounded like the bed happened to him, either got
Speaker 3: hit with a rock or broken bone, whatever.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch got to see We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: You just keep hearing him yelping for a few minutes.
Speaker 3: Next day, you know, you hear a whoop or two,
Speaker 3: and then you hear a flam You could actually hear
Speaker 3: the canine being flammed. To listen to that and then
Speaker 3: to think back on your brother dog, maybe that's what
Speaker 3: happened to him when he went missing.
Speaker 1: I've heard stories from people over the years on my
Speaker 1: show other shows that have talked about how apparently sasquatch
Speaker 1: don't have a very good relationship with dogs. I have
Speaker 1: interviewed people in the past who said that their dogs
Speaker 1: were able to they believed how some sort of friendly
Speaker 1: relationship with them. But I tell you that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that I notice here. We hear some strange
Speaker 1: vocalizations on a ridge over in front of our property.
Speaker 1: In other areas, and I hear the dogs quite often
Speaker 1: reacting to that. Is that something that you're noticing as well?
Speaker 1: The dogs in the area when things amp up with
Speaker 1: the sasquatch activity, are you hearing the dogs amp up
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 3: That's our main clue. That is our main clue. If
Speaker 3: all the dogs in the neighborhood go on, every one
Speaker 3: of them. What we've been knows is when all the
Speaker 3: dogs are going on, it ain't just one each creature
Speaker 3: call them. All the dogs go off. I believe, just
Speaker 3: my perfect opinion, as a whole clan of them hitting
Speaker 3: these houses, are going to their garbage, getting their dog
Speaker 3: bed anything to scrape around the scrap food is what
Speaker 3: I believe each creatures are doing, because that's what they
Speaker 3: were doing. They'd come up on our port, steal our
Speaker 3: dog food, cat food. They'd get my fire pit, go
Speaker 3: we burn our garbage out here, they get the food
Speaker 3: scrap out a bit. Had them go up to my
Speaker 3: door of a truck, look in the window it left
Speaker 3: and prints right there on the truck door. They bopd
Speaker 3: O F and print on my porch as well. Film
Speaker 3: more greedy white he in print. They've done it. I
Speaker 3: believe that Barkin of bally Dome is the biggest clue
Speaker 3: we have for people who live around them. Biggest clue
Speaker 3: just listen for them. Dog.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing that I thought when I first
Speaker 1: got into this. I used to think you had to
Speaker 1: be twenty miles deep in the woods and that's the
Speaker 1: only time you were ever going to have an experience
Speaker 1: with the sasquatch. Boy, have I learned a lot over
Speaker 1: the last four or five years of talking to so.
Speaker 3: Many people who have experiences.
Speaker 1: You learn by listening to people's experiences, and you find
Speaker 1: if you do this long enough, it's not eight, ten,
Speaker 1: twelve miles deep in the woods and at some hunter
Speaker 1: that's solitary by themselves. It is on these what I
Speaker 1: call edges, where people are building closer to the woods.
Speaker 1: They're backing up to game preserves, they're backing up to
Speaker 1: national forest. Our situation here we have forty acres, but
Speaker 1: we're surrounded by hundreds of other acres of just open
Speaker 1: land where there's no houses, but there are houses that
Speaker 1: are close enough to us. Our nearest neighbor is about
Speaker 1: a mile away. I think these creatures are very much
Speaker 1: like other wildlife. Deer populations go up, Turkey populations coyotes, cats,
Speaker 1: if there's cats in the area. We have mountain lions
Speaker 1: around here in North Carolina. You see those animals in
Speaker 1: these areas that are these edges where people are cutting
Speaker 1: closer into the woods. I've actually interviewed a person in
Speaker 1: the past who claimed to have a sasquatch encounter in
Speaker 1: a cul de sac basically with other houses, and it
Speaker 1: backed up to woods. So this thing was coming out
Speaker 1: of the woods and exploring. Set the scene for us,
Speaker 1: if you will, because people, obviously this is an IDEO
Speaker 1: podcast and people can't see anything. We'll obviously post some
Speaker 1: of the photos that you've captured, but set the scene
Speaker 1: for people. Your property, where it's at. Is it on
Speaker 1: one of these edges. Are you surrounded by tons of timber?
Speaker 1: Are you backing up to woods or other houses? Set
Speaker 1: the scene for your research area where these things are
Speaker 1: coming and going.
Speaker 3: I live in Connecca County Post Evergreen, Alabama. That's between
Speaker 3: the Bruton and Andalujah. I am deep in the wood.
Speaker 3: My property attaches to a large dear leaf. There's a
Speaker 3: river I'll live on. There's some last a sidings that
Speaker 3: was captured there on the BFR Welpoy. There's a creek
Speaker 3: right here behind my house that these creatures offto travel down.
Speaker 3: I got two streams, one outside of the back door
Speaker 3: and one out. The deer population out here is tremendous,
Speaker 3: and you just step out your back door and shooter deer.
Speaker 3: That's how easy it is to shoot a deer out here.
Speaker 3: The turk is abundant, the while fruit is just crazy
Speaker 3: out here. So everything you want that you hear that
Speaker 3: bigfoot will be found out we have right here in
Speaker 3: my backyard, right outside my doors is everything or a
Speaker 3: bigfoot to survive on year round. That's how abundant it
Speaker 3: is out here.
Speaker 1: Tyler, I want to bring you back in here because
Speaker 1: I have a question about the eyeshine that you guys
Speaker 1: experienced when you were out at the research area. That's
Speaker 1: one of the things that I have struggled with in
Speaker 1: my journey in Bigfoot is I'm a very flesh and
Speaker 1: blood guy, but what I saw out in the Pacific
Speaker 1: Northwest last summer totally blew me away because right before
Speaker 1: I saw the two creatures that I saw during the
Speaker 1: night shoot that we were doing for this documentary, we
Speaker 1: saw two sets of glowing white eyes. So Tydler, I
Speaker 1: want to go back to what you saw as far
Speaker 1: as the eyeshine is concerned that night. Was what you
Speaker 1: saw self illuminating or was it something that would be
Speaker 1: considered eyeshine from some sort of ambient light source.
Speaker 4: I would say it was from ambient light source, because
Speaker 4: the porch light was on and it was lighting a
Speaker 4: patch of woods. Because the tree line from his front
Speaker 4: doors fifteen steps, twenty steps. If that, I think it
Speaker 4: was from the porch light reflecting off its eyeballs.
Speaker 3: Gotcha. So that brings me to a larger question.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you first, Tyler, and then I'll go back
Speaker 1: to flat Rock here and talk a little bit about this.
Speaker 1: There's always camps in Bigfoot. If I had to stake
Speaker 1: my claim, if I had to plan a flag in
Speaker 1: a camp, it would be the Flesh and Blood Camp.
Speaker 1: I think these are some sort of a relic, tomanoid,
Speaker 1: hamanin hamanid, of some sort something that's left over, something
Speaker 1: that belongs on our bushy family tree. But some of
Speaker 1: these weird experiences that people have that are unexplainable, that
Speaker 1: are attributable to a Sasquatch or Bigfoot experience really leaves
Speaker 1: me scratching my head. Sometimes and I come away and
Speaker 1: find myself going, what if there is more to these creatures?
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Tyler, and then I'll ask flat
Speaker 1: Rock the same thing. Where are you on your journey
Speaker 1: and your research? Are you coming at this from a
Speaker 1: very flesh and blood approach to your research? Are you
Speaker 1: open to the fact that there may be something else
Speaker 1: going on, like the mind speak and some of the
Speaker 1: other wo or high strangeness things. Frankly, seeing glowing eyes
Speaker 1: to me is wo and high strangeness because it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. There are other animals that have the ability
Speaker 1: to self illuminate their eyes, but they're usually in the sea.
Speaker 1: They're at the bottom of the ocean, not standing in
Speaker 1: somebody's backyard or in the woods under a deer stand.
Speaker 1: Where are you on your journey? Are you coming at
Speaker 1: this from a very flesh and blood angle? Are you
Speaker 1: open to the wo and high strangers?
Speaker 3: Where are you on all of that?
Speaker 4: So, when I originally started this, I was very flesh
Speaker 4: and blood. I still lean on that side more, but
Speaker 4: after hearing all kinds of different experiences from other people,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to rule out that other things aren't
Speaker 4: possible as well. I think that there are type of
Speaker 4: people and they possibly have abilities that we just can't
Speaker 4: comprehend yet. I think that's a very valid option. There's
Speaker 4: all kinds of different theories out there floating around, but
Speaker 4: flush and blood for sure. But like I said here,
Speaker 4: in other people's experiences, I'm open to what other people
Speaker 4: have to say.
Speaker 1: You're down in Florida, there is the skunk Ape down there.
Speaker 1: There seems to be a different type of bigfoot as
Speaker 1: far as the skunk Ape is concerned. I've talked to
Speaker 1: some people down in Florida that do research that get
Speaker 1: a little pissed off when people say they're smaller down there.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, they're eight feet tall. I've seen them.
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 1: I think there can be multiple different types of these things.
Speaker 1: I think I've come to that conclusion because the way
Speaker 1: people describe what they see differs from different places. It's
Speaker 1: like Bergmann's rule. Right, the farther north you go away
Speaker 1: from the equator, the bigger things get. The closer to
Speaker 1: the equator or south that you go, the smaller things get.
Speaker 3: Where are you on that?
Speaker 1: Do you talk to people down there in Florida that
Speaker 1: are having experiences what people call the skunk ape. Do
Speaker 1: you see a difference in what they're describing versus what
Speaker 1: we might see in North Carolina, Alabama places farther north.
Speaker 1: Are you seeing a difference and do you think And
Speaker 1: obviously this is completely subjective. Nobody has a freaking clue,
Speaker 1: but some people believe there are different maybe not species,
Speaker 1: but different types of these things. And maybe even some
Speaker 1: people think they're there are different species of sasquatch. I
Speaker 1: think that's a stretch. But do you think they're just
Speaker 1: geographical differences that people are seeing in your opinion as
Speaker 1: far as the different descriptions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So in Florida, I've interviewed well over one hundred
Speaker 4: people just within the four counties close to me. Usually
Speaker 4: it's in this six to seven foot range. I've gotten
Speaker 4: some seven and a half and eight not as much,
Speaker 4: but typically it's in this between the six and seven
Speaker 4: foot and they're skinny looking. There's a fella that I
Speaker 4: know from somewhere I used to work previous years ago.
Speaker 4: He used to be in the military. He flew missions
Speaker 4: over Egglin Air Force Base, which is down here. It's
Speaker 4: a little over four hundred thousand acres. I think around
Speaker 4: three hundred thousands open to the public. I've been deer
Speaker 4: hunting out there, my whole life swoman in the creek whatnot.
Speaker 4: He said he would see him on the thermal imaging
Speaker 4: cameras on those planes running across the range, and he
Speaker 4: said they look like tall, skinny bears. They would actually
Speaker 4: have them fire live rounds onto the range to get
Speaker 4: them off of it so they could drop bombs on
Speaker 4: the targets out there up north. I think they're bigger. Yes,
Speaker 4: I think they probably migrate with animals as well. Down here,
Speaker 4: not so much. There's really no reason to migrate. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we get some cold snaps, but the wildlife's abundant all
Speaker 4: year rounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the little on the smaller side here, but
Speaker 4: there are some bigger ones probably plucked in certain spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's something that's always been a difficult thing for me
Speaker 1: to grasp. I've talked about this so many times on
Speaker 1: this show, and I've been guessed on another podcast and
Speaker 1: talked about it, brought it up on round tables. It
Speaker 1: always fascinates me that up north, like Doug Hicheck's a
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, Doug is up in Minnesota. It
Speaker 1: gets cold as shit in Minnesota. In the winter, We're
Speaker 1: talking negative twenty degrees.
Speaker 3: That's cold.
Speaker 1: It gets cold here in the South. I'm in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and over this past winter we got a couple of
Speaker 1: days in a row where we were down to eight
Speaker 1: or nine degrees, which is very cold. It would be
Speaker 1: difficult for anything that's not used to that to survive.
Speaker 1: I've always had a really hard time understanding how these creatures,
Speaker 1: if they are very much like us gorillas, other great apes,
Speaker 1: even smaller primates, how they would survive without doing some
Speaker 1: sort of migration. And people have their own theories. I've
Speaker 1: talked to Doug about this in Minnesota specifically, and he says,
Speaker 1: we've got these peat bogs. They could go lay down
Speaker 1: in these peat bogs. Those things as they're decomposing, they
Speaker 1: create heat. That's his explanation for how these things, if
Speaker 1: they didn't migrate to a different area, would be able
Speaker 1: to survive that extreme cold. There's so many people I've
Speaker 1: argued with over the years that say, even if Bigfoot existed,
Speaker 1: there's no fricking way that could be alive and well
Speaker 1: and living in Florida. I tell you, I challenge anybody
Speaker 1: who had that opinion, because unless you've been to Florida
Speaker 1: into some of these places, unless you've been to Okala,
Speaker 1: and there's even better places, better examples where these things
Speaker 1: have been seen and could be I think your way
Speaker 1: off base if you think Florida is not the prime
Speaker 1: habitat in my opinion for Sasquatch Flat Rock, You're not
Speaker 1: off the hook, my friend. I'm going to ask you
Speaker 1: the same thing first and foremost. I know you don't
Speaker 1: really consider yourself a researcher or an investigator either, but
Speaker 1: just in general approaching the subject, do you come at
Speaker 1: it from a very flesh and blood perspective? Have you
Speaker 1: had experiences or talk to people that have had experiences
Speaker 1: that were woo or high strangeness that would make you
Speaker 1: even be open to having a conversation about them being
Speaker 1: more than just flesh and blood.
Speaker 3: Where are you on those two things? I'm open to up.
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent flesh and blood for the woo art.
Speaker 3: My thing is with these creatures is how they can
Speaker 3: come up on you and not mate one little found
Speaker 3: trunch and lee breaking the stick in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night in the dark wood where you can't even
Speaker 3: see your hand in front of your face, and they
Speaker 3: can walk up on you and you not here the
Speaker 3: first little instance of it, until you're right there on
Speaker 3: top of them. That to me is the wood part
Speaker 3: of it. How they doing that as big as they are.
Speaker 3: How they have other researchers here just this past year,
Speaker 3: where we're sitting down at the table, we're right next
Speaker 3: to the fence. Of course, my dog alert's on them
Speaker 3: real easy. He smells them when they come up. How
Speaker 3: this one got that close to without us hear them
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night. We cannot even fan them.
Speaker 3: How it was done? If you just feen my woods
Speaker 3: back here worthy, the thickness of them doesn't leave all
Speaker 3: over the ground, broken sticks from the oak trees lay
Speaker 3: down on the ground. How you can get that close
Speaker 3: to us without any found whatsoever? I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: That's the woo part to me. With a cloaking part.
Speaker 3: I believe it's just total camouflood. They ain't cameraufloter. If
Speaker 3: they're just like a deer or timber rattler in pine.
Speaker 3: You ain't gonna see them till they move till either
Speaker 3: flick or that tail or till you start hearing that
Speaker 3: rattle going all, you ain't gonna see them. That's what
Speaker 3: I think about the cloaking stuff mine speak. I'm not there.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm ever gonna get there, because, frankly,
Speaker 3: just my personal opinion. I don't mean to upend anybody
Speaker 3: who believe in my speed, but just my personal opinion.
Speaker 3: I believe it our unconscious that we're here and not
Speaker 3: these creatures. I'm sorry, that's my thought. I do have
Speaker 3: an open mind to everything.
Speaker 1: I think you have to be open minded when it
Speaker 1: comes to this stuff. I'm the same way with mind speak.
Speaker 1: I've talked about it. I'm not going to get into
Speaker 1: the details. But there's a podcast I listen to called
Speaker 1: the Telepathy Tapes where they're talking about the telepathic communication
Speaker 1: between nonverbal autistic kids and their parents, in some cases teachers.
Speaker 1: I believe telepathy is a real thing. Less Stroud. I'm
Speaker 1: actually going out with Less towards the end of the
Speaker 1: year on expedition, and I'm going to get into that
Speaker 1: more with Less. I've had him on the show a
Speaker 1: couple of times and we've talked about it, but not
Speaker 1: as deeply as I'd like, because I want to have
Speaker 1: that conversation because he believes that's happened to him probably
Speaker 1: three or four times while he's been out in the wilderness.
Speaker 1: So I don't completely write it off, but it's very
Speaker 1: difficult for me to explain.
Speaker 3: Let me talk a little bit about evidence.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you what you're seeing as far as
Speaker 1: are you guys seeing tree structures? Are you seeing tree breaks?
Speaker 1: Are these things leaving footprints behind? What kind of physical
Speaker 1: evidence are they leaving behind in your research area.
Speaker 3: I'll start off tard just in mind. On my prow
Speaker 3: free they leave in the handprints, the white, greasy stuff.
Speaker 3: They've left two of them on my port, two different handprints,
Speaker 3: one being a baby's handprint. The other one looked like
Speaker 3: good you an hour or a little young adult handprint,
Speaker 3: which I gave back to with Safty Brown Junior. Since
Speaker 3: he come and collected the DNA and all that off
Speaker 3: of it, I've cut that board off and gave it
Speaker 3: to him. I've talked about my fireplace where they've actually
Speaker 3: moved all the track with a stick and pin it
Speaker 3: up against the wall. The oiefit to where they can
Speaker 3: grab the food on the bottom we get the footprints.
Speaker 3: I ain't never casted researchers have. I haven't. I've collected hair,
Speaker 3: which I had a bundant of hair. It's degraded now,
Speaker 3: but I've had abundance of hair. Maybe some other stuff
Speaker 3: I've collected. I ain't never collected blood, which I'm hoping
Speaker 3: to one day. Mostly hand frants, hair and footprint court
Speaker 3: the tree breaks in the structure. I'm not a structured guy.
Speaker 3: I am in the tree break though. The tree structure
Speaker 3: you don't know if it's man made or them doing this.
Speaker 3: It's a fifty to fifty things though. I just leave
Speaker 3: tree structures along. But there was one time a hut
Speaker 3: that we had found back there in the wood. It
Speaker 3: was some guys from out of Louisiana came over. We
Speaker 3: walked up on a footprint. After one they cast it.
Speaker 3: A little past that footprint was just a small hut.
Speaker 3: It was big. It was a small hut that was
Speaker 3: made of sticks and straw all over it and it
Speaker 3: had a door. We walked past it, got on that
Speaker 3: little trail and next thing you know, there's a wat
Speaker 3: of hair on the ground. It looked like something had
Speaker 3: laid down the ground and wiggled back and forth like
Speaker 3: it's scratching its back on the ground. There was just
Speaker 3: a lot of grayish black, matted hair. We collected the
Speaker 3: majority of that. The next guy who was coming over,
Speaker 3: I told him to bring a dust buster. Once he
Speaker 3: brought one over, we went back over to that hut
Speaker 3: and I had him run that dust buster just above
Speaker 3: the ground. Tried to suck up and see if there
Speaker 3: was any hair in there on the ground, and darn it,
Speaker 3: we ducked up a little bit of hair out of
Speaker 3: that ground. He put it under microscope, compared it to
Speaker 3: his hair, just to clear the bell. No madula whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Stacey's been coming out here, been getting some really good evidence.
Speaker 3: One time him and Tyler were out here camping. I
Speaker 3: didn't come into hall. Tyler and Dacey went got in
Speaker 3: a tent, and next day I'm hearing like a monkey sound.
Speaker 3: So I got my card out of that camera that
Speaker 3: does all recording. I walked out there to them and
Speaker 3: I asked, going to tell you, god, y'all just make
Speaker 3: a monkey sound out here, and they both plaid no.
Speaker 3: So that morning I played it for him, and that
Speaker 3: was a hell of an audio.
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 3: Not Tyler like, it's damn chimpanzee out here. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was strange because he went inside and me and
Speaker 4: Stacy were still sitting around the fire for a few minutes,
Speaker 4: and he was camping where the old dim road goes
Speaker 4: off into the woods out of the front yard, and
Speaker 4: I was camped up right there by the porch. You
Speaker 4: can hear Stacy on the audio, but you hear him
Speaker 4: say all right, Bud, like him going to Ben, and
Speaker 4: right after that you hear what flat Rock did. The
Speaker 4: crazy thing is I didn't hear it with Moan two years.
Speaker 4: Neither did Stacy.
Speaker 3: That's another thing, the Woo thing, Brian. If sometimes these
Speaker 3: creatures can found all there's a whoop that I have,
Speaker 3: really good loud whoop. When I had another fetter researcher
Speaker 3: that come here every year. Both recorded went on around
Speaker 3: the Fame time. One group was from Ohio and the
Speaker 3: other one from down They come here every year. Not
Speaker 3: one of us heard that Woo. You could tell that
Speaker 3: Woo would right there cloak to it, and we didn't
Speaker 3: hear it the first time. And you can actually hear
Speaker 3: a talk on the recording and that would go all.
Speaker 3: We didn't hear did not hear it. Why we didn't
Speaker 3: hear it, I don't know, but that was another time
Speaker 3: we didn't hear Sam right there on top of us,
Speaker 3: and we deal didn't hear it. That's the kind of
Speaker 3: stuff that keeps me coming back for more. It seems
Speaker 3: like you always leave with more questions than you came
Speaker 3: with your property. Your research area sounds like an amazing place.
Speaker 3: I would love to get down there at some point
Speaker 3: in time and do some research with you guys. I
Speaker 3: think it would be fantastic. I really appreciate you guys
Speaker 3: coming on and sharing your experiences. If had a blast
Speaker 3: talking to both of you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, absolutely, thanks for having.
Speaker 3: Just They say you don't gotta go home, but you
Speaker 3: can't stay on the fields.
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