1 00:00:03,759 --> 00:00:05,599 Speaker 1: Hello. I'm Jack Smiley Jr. 2 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:07,799 Speaker 2: From San Juan Gista, California. 3 00:00:07,879 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: I played golf at San Juan Oaks. Hi. 4 00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:15,359 Speaker 2: This is Thomas Dallas from Bradenton, Florida, and I play 5 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:19,839 at IMG Golf Course. This is Golf Smarter episode number 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,960 one one five Insider Baseball thread. I may or may 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,600 not have asked Charlie when we played Tiger if I 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,719 could give him the closer signal when he's sitting in 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,480 the box and see if he would come out and 10 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:32,920 put against his dad. And we beat him, but he 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,960 didn't want to put his dad to shame on ESPN. 12 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:38,719 But I mean, you think about how amazing of a format, 13 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:41,159 like even what the Father Son PNC is. There's so 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,920 many of these type of events that Tgl's format and 15 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:47,479 the style of play could lend itself to. The shot 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,880 clock was fun like if you're in the stadium, everybody's chanting, 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,359 like in a basketball game when there was ten seconds left, 18 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,880 everybody's running around trying to get the crowd riled up. 19 00:00:56,039 --> 00:00:58,159 It feels like the first he at the Ryder Cup 20 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:00,000 for almost two hours. I mean, you can be last. 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,159 There was no signs held up that says please be 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,719 quiet or we're t and off. When we played New York, 23 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:09,120 I swear they flew down Long Island into a fans 24 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:12,760 section and they had no problem bringing the Bethpage Black 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,719 noise to us at TGL. It riled our guys up 26 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:22,159 and made it so much fun. 27 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: Expanding the future of indoor golf, home simulators and TGL 28 00:01:28,159 --> 00:01:33,640 with Ben Helmraff. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,840 and insights from great golf minds to help you lower 30 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:40,799 your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,239 Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Ben. 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: Hey, Fred, how's it going. 33 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:48,959 Speaker 1: It's going great today, and this is going to be 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,680 a fun conversation because we're talking about something that kind 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,799 of happened a while ago, but we're waiting fingers crossed 36 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:03,000 in great anticipation for another season of TG and that's 37 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:05,519 part of what we're going to talk about with you 38 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,280 today because you have an important role in the retail world. 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,439 To introduce yourself in that. 40 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:17,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I I work for PGA Tour Superstore, the 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,840 leading golf retailer. We are in almost thirty states and growing. 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,680 So for those not familiar with us, we are are 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,840 the kind of official retail partner of the PGA Tour. 44 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,759 So super excited that in that realm, I oversee our 45 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:37,400 hard goods, all things clubs, accessories, basically anything related to golf, 46 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:41,360 non apparel and footwear, and that includes a lot of 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,000 a lot of the growth categories I think we're going 48 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,280 to talk about, like simulation and you know, speaking of 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,439 TGL golf. So really excited and really excited to be 50 00:02:48,479 --> 00:02:49,560 on today to talk about it. 51 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: What does it mean exactly that your official partner of 52 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:53,479 the PGA Tour. 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have a licensee partnership with the tour. 54 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,800 So as you see on our our doors and on 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,599 everything we've we've got the PGA Tour name associated with us, 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,439 which really hope you know it. Ultimately it creates trust 57 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:11,919 for the customer. It showcases that were the primary spot 58 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,360 that the tour trust to carry any and all things 59 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,000 carried or played on tours. So that's what that's kind 60 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,599 of what I mean my term partnership. 61 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand, Okay, which is pretty awesome to have 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,560 that association, but what does that How does that separate 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,280 you from like Worldwide Golf that has bought every retail 64 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,400 outlet of everything in golf all over the country. How 65 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,599 does it separate you as far as do you carry 66 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:46,439 products that are associated with a tour that you can't 67 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:48,680 find in other retailers. 68 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:52,439 Speaker 2: Not necessarily we have something that are specific to us, 69 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,879 but we actually kind of stay out of the call 70 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:00,680 it for lack of a better word, owned band. We 71 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:02,919 want to carry what is played on tour. We want 72 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:06,879 the best product in the store. There are some things 73 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:09,319 that we carry that others don't for whatever reason. That 74 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,240 may be some of that actually being in some of 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,840 the simulation space some of the other areas. You know, 76 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,959 our big differentiator you're asking for it is we have 77 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,399 a very large format store, whereas a lot of our 78 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:24,160 competition tends to be smaller. Our average store is probably 79 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,120 around thirty five thirty eight thousand square feet. Oh wow, 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,639 I would think more like a Dick Sporting Goods versus 81 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,399 some of the other golf retailers that are in the 82 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:36,399 specialty space are more like a you know, eight to 83 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:40,040 twelve thousand square foot smaller retail box. So it allows 84 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,360 us to carry the broadest assortment in golf and really 85 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,040 be able to capitalize on all segments. 86 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,399 Speaker 1: So interesting, So I'm in northern California. I've seen one 87 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:56,560 PGA superstore in an airport, huh, you know, and it 88 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:59,439 was like it was great because there was a bought 89 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,279 a great shut from there. It was on sale and 90 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,000 I still wear it and about it years ago. And 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,000 then the closest outlet or the closest store to me 92 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,199 in northern California is about an hour away. It's in 93 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,879 the East Bay and Dublin, California. 94 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the retail and airport is actually not us 95 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,160 really license seed partner of the tour. 96 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: That's a PGA store. 97 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:27,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's PGA Tour Shop. So it's a partner. 98 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,399 But we are in Dublin. We're also in Cooper, Tino 99 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,319 and East Palo Alto, so hopefully any one of those 100 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,959 three and for all the things you might not want 101 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,160 to drive an hour for, we have a broader assortment online, 102 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,360 so promise we will fill any and all of your 103 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:42,240 golf needs. Frets. 104 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,959 Speaker 1: So ah, the Internet saved so many retailers and knock 105 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:55,000 so many out, so let's see your function. There is 106 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,639 everything other than retail hard good stuff. But we're going 107 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,480 to really talk about in homes simulators today, and it 108 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:06,720 seems with TGL and maybe I missed something before that, 109 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:13,439 but in home simulator and simulator golf, virtual golf, let's 110 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,920 call it golf. I still see it as golf. Virtual 111 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:22,040 golf is a video game, but golf simulators, and that 112 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:24,480 seems to really be growing. 113 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been booming well before TG I 114 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:32,319 think it really took off. COVID helped a lot. Yeah, 115 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:35,519 but you know, over the last five years, the landscape 116 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,759 of golf has completely changed. We brought a lot of 117 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,639 new people into the game. I think with that, the 118 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,279 evolution of the format of golf kind of had to 119 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:46,800 or needed to change a bit as you bring more 120 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,040 non maybe traditional golfers into the game to play it. 121 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:53,959 And not only that, access has become harder, right, I 122 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,240 mean in late twenty and early twenty one, when most 123 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,959 other activities were shut down or golf courses it was 124 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,959 tough to get tea times. So you saw a push 125 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:07,639 into kind of the off course realm, whether it was 126 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,079 a top golf or a simulator company. And then quickly 127 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:14,279 I think people realized, you know, to get out on 128 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:16,480 a Saturday and play and leave your family or whatever 129 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:18,959 it might be, you have to drive to and from 130 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,160 your warm up session, maybe a nineteenth whole visit afterwards. 131 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,120 Next thing you know, you're out for seven hours to 132 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,600 get through the round. And in the simulator world, you 133 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:32,199 and I are playing eighteen holes at Pebble Beach in 134 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:34,720 whatever cold city we might be wishing we were at 135 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,800 Pebble Beach, and we're doing it in sixty to ninety minutes. 136 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,439 So and you're teeing off at eight pm, exactly right. 137 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: And let's not forget that. 138 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:48,759 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. So I mean, any climate, anytime, anything, 139 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,240 you don't have to wait on the tea time, there's 140 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,680 nobody in front of you playing slow, So all of 141 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,720 that aspect. I love how you called it out. It's 142 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:57,040 not virtual golf, it's golf. It's just golf in a 143 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,160 different sense. And we're really bulow it. We're really hoping 144 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:03,879 that it continues to grow. It was crazy talking to 145 00:08:04,839 --> 00:08:07,800 one of our vendor partners who helps with junior clubs 146 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:09,680 and kind of the growth of the game. And there 147 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,319 was actually a kid that played in one of the 148 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:14,199 tournaments that is now going on a D one scholarship 149 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,279 and had never played an off course round before he 150 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:20,959 got to one of the championship tournaments. So the whole 151 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,439 experience that this kid had in golf was in a 152 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:27,759 virtual world. So you know that whole evolution of the 153 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,319 game is only growing. It helps bring kids in. There's 154 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,720 an easier way to play. You don't have that, you know. 155 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:37,080 It's funny. Everybody's got the first t envy of wanting 156 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,480 the newest product and everything else. But there's also that 157 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,440 fear if you're new to the game and you don't 158 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:43,919 know that the rules of the game and all the 159 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,919 different ways it works. There's also that fear side of 160 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:48,080 it going to the first team of it. Am I 161 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,480 gonna do something wrong? Am I going to embarrass myself? 162 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,879 I really shouldn't be out here, I don't want to play. 163 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:55,240 All of that goes away when you're in your basement, 164 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,240 playing in the comfort of your own home. So we're 165 00:08:58,279 --> 00:09:00,480 really bullish on and really excited to spanded. 166 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,799 Speaker 1: I need to back up about this kid who went 167 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:07,480 from off course golf as you call it, or simulator golf, 168 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:09,080 to playing where. 169 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:12,519 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I just totally but it's wait. 170 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: He must have been shocked when he had to hit 171 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,080 a ball that was below his feet or even above 172 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,320 his feet or he had to putt I mean, wait what, Yeah, 173 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,240 it doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry. 174 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, those parts are crazy to think about. But I 175 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,919 mean you got to also think how many the evolution 176 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,840 of how good those products are, you know, every in 177 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:35,679 and out of your swing, swing path, spin rates, all 178 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,279 those things that there are probably a fair number of 179 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:41,480 kids fifteen twenty years ago that played incredible D one 180 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,960 schools that maybe never even had access to those numbers. 181 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,759 It was all absolutely so like that aspect of it 182 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,120 is unbelievable fast we've evolved. 183 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, it's it's true that you can with 184 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,000 the proper tools, you can learn a lot about your 185 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,159 swing before you ever get to a golf course. But again, 186 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,720 hitting balls, and we reiterate this so often on this show. 187 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,720 Hitting golf balls and playing golf are two completely different things. 188 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,879 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, yeah, he agrees. 189 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,279 Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit more. I want to 190 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,879 go into more of your first reaction when you walked 191 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:29,720 into SOFI and saw the TGL setup. 192 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,879 Speaker 2: It was wild the day that I first so I'd 193 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:38,759 been a part of kind of the inner workings with 194 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,799 tglsins middle of twenty twenty two, and it had kind 195 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:45,399 of been a little bit of a dream come true. 196 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,679 So it was late twenty three. We were down at 197 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:53,080 Universal Studios. They had essentially a smaller format of the 198 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,480 screen where they were doing all the test runs and 199 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,039 figuring out the competition and the technology, and getting to 200 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,840 go down there already kind of blew your mind a 201 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,799 bit just seeing them. I think at the time that 202 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,360 screen was thirty feet by forty feet or something, right, 203 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:10,039 I mean it's still massive, but you didn't have anything 204 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,279 other than that. But still it just it blew your 205 00:11:12,279 --> 00:11:14,600 mind to seek off plate in that kind of setting, 206 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,840 that kind of environment, and then transition. It was November 207 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,519 of twenty four and I actually went down the day 208 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,480 that we had Justin and Pat come in for the 209 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:29,960 first time. And and Thomas and Patrick can'tle a so 210 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,480 they were two players actually to walk in and hit 211 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,360 a ball in so far, so we were all there 212 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:40,120 the same same time. And you walk in, you turn 213 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,440 that corner and you just see a I mean a screen. 214 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,440 I think it's bigger than an Imax screen, and it 215 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:47,080 just I don't know, Fred, if you have the chance 216 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,559 to go down or not, but I mean it just 217 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,840 takes you away. It takes your breath away, you're it 218 00:11:51,039 --> 00:11:53,159 just it was mind boggling to see. 219 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: Well, if that's an invitation, I'm coming. 220 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, but it it was unbelievable. So and then 221 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,279 even just over the progression from November until the first week, 222 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,759 and you just saw the stadium come together more time, 223 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:08,840 the guys got to have in their practicing the green 224 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,679 getting to stand on it and rotate on it. It 225 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,519 just the technological feat that happened to make that facility 226 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,799 come to life was are not one of the coolest 227 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,399 things to get to see and experience. 228 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: And you got involved with the Atlanta team mainly because 229 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:41,279 well TGA Superstores PGA Superstores and the Atlanta TGL team, 230 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,720 the Atlanta Drive are owned both by the same person 231 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:51,360 who also is the co founder of Home Depot, Arthur Blank. Yes, right, 232 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,360 So I guess that's your connection to get to the 233 00:12:55,399 --> 00:13:01,320 Atlanta team. Is the parent company owner owns everything. And 234 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,200 what was your involvement during TGL. Am I saying it right? 235 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:11,679 Or am I saying PGL TGL like blanking out here? 236 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:17,000 So your involvement with TGL and the Atlanta team, what 237 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,320 did you get to do? How close did you get 238 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:19,759 to the action? 239 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I mean starting back in twenty two. You know, 240 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,840 mister Blank is very bullish on the game of golf, 241 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,519 very bullish on the growth that exists within the game 242 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,960 of golf, and got excited by the opportunity to be 243 00:13:34,039 --> 00:13:37,799 involved in this new age golf league. So we got 244 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,840 to work on just looking at was it right, was 245 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:43,480 it the right opportunity, what it was going to look like, 246 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,840 kind of on the investment side. Post investment, then it 247 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:51,919 really turned into starting to work through all the actual 248 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,919 creation of the team, what it would be called, everything 249 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:58,399 from like logos, colors, everything we kind of did to 250 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,480 design Atlanta Dry and then with that it was kind 251 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,639 of me for a while there as a point person, 252 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:09,279 if you will, between the team and the league, so 253 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,559 helping just kind of create the original rules, the cadence 254 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,279 of how everything happens. I mean, we were flying a 255 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,320 plane while building it. At the same time. We didn't 256 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,720 have wheels, we didn't have wings, Like we're just off 257 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:24,519 and and and hoping it works. And so it was fun. 258 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:26,120 I mean it was a startup, right, So. 259 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,759 Speaker 1: We have you ever been involved in anything like that 260 00:14:29,799 --> 00:14:30,759 before as a startup? 261 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:32,279 Speaker 2: No, nothing like that? 262 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:35,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Okay, soup you. 263 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: Know, it was a wild ride. So we got to 264 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:42,240 experience kind of everything, I mean everything from the first 265 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:44,159 pass of how we were going to do rosters, to 266 00:14:44,279 --> 00:14:47,159 then some of the inner workings of some of the 267 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,960 players leaving because they they went over to another tour 268 00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:53,320 and then having to figure out what players were going 269 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:56,639 to backfill, and then the the issue with the generator 270 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:59,200 and the bubble going down, and the delay of the 271 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:02,720 league a year and just all the different stuff that 272 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:04,200 kind of happened was a while. 273 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:07,039 Speaker 1: Wait, what do you mean the bubble went down? 274 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:12,159 Speaker 2: So the original TGL structure was think it was actually 275 00:15:12,159 --> 00:15:14,799 designed after the Miami Dolphins practice facilities, so it was 276 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,600 like they call those sports bubbles, more of a soft 277 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,039 top arena. And the league was supposed to actually launch 278 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:25,519 in January of twenty four, but November of twenty three, 279 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,399 there was a huge storm that went through and struck 280 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,039 two of the generators that were powering as they were 281 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:36,720 still doing construction, and part of the salt bubble, I guess, 282 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,000 for lack of a word, deflating on one of them 283 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:43,360 metal joys and popped it and the whole thing collapsed. 284 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,159 So that was why the league actually got delayed a year. 285 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:49,679 Speaker 1: Isn't that the same storm that wiped out the Tampa 286 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:50,879 Bay Rays. 287 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:54,559 Speaker 2: I think yeah, it might actually the same storm. I 288 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:56,919 don't remember the timing, but it was. Yeah, it was 289 00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:58,080 in early November. 290 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow Okay, And then during TGL itself on the broadcast, 291 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:09,559 you were right there with the Atlanta team. 292 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: I was. I was on the I guess you'd call 293 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:13,879 it field to play with them. 294 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,039 Speaker 1: So on the course, yes, on the. 295 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,159 Speaker 2: The three of us, the three of the players and 296 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,519 myself were down there for each match. 297 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:27,279 Speaker 1: And what were you doing there with them? 298 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: Specifically on match nights? I kind of helped orchestrate and 299 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,360 run more of the strategic side of how we're going 300 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:39,679 to approach things, So manage the actual physical screen for one, 301 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,279 So basically, you know, in the simulator world, you aim 302 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,759 where you want to go, you actually move the point 303 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,320 of aim. You're able to look at if they had 304 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,279 a question of how far is the carry to that 305 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,480 bunk or how far? So it was kind of like 306 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:54,879 we called it the digital caddy. So think kind of 307 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:57,440 in that mindset to be able to have a massive 308 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:01,039 Yardist book in the in the digital world. So running 309 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,240 that and then working with the guys on helping set 310 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,440 what order they were going to play, kind of mapped 311 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,519 out the holes of hey, Billy, we're not going to 312 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:11,880 hit driver here, We're going to play out to the right. 313 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,480 That sets justin up for a good seven iron, like 314 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,039 just almost like mapping out the strategy behind how we 315 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:21,200 were going to approach it. So works closely with them 316 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,319 and all that. So honestly, my goal was I just 317 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,519 wanted them to show up and focus on hitting the 318 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:29,279 best shots and not have to overthink any of that stuff. 319 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,039 Let that all be to me and we'll send it 320 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:31,400 all up. 321 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:35,519 Speaker 1: How familiar with were you with each of their games 322 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,400 on an en course play that you were able to 323 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:46,519 assist in what decisions are being made strategically. Yeah, you 324 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:49,559 were a caddy, right, Basically you were a caddy without 325 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:50,839 having to carry anything. 326 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,279 Speaker 2: Lucky you, thank you, But you had to deal with 327 00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:56,599 three people and not one, so I don't know part 328 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:01,039 of me would argue carrying a bag might be they 329 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:04,039 were first off, these guys were the greatest. I couldn't 330 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:05,960 have wanted a better group of four guys on the 331 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,079 team because we did have four, but only three played 332 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,480 in a night. But yeah, I mean I think it 333 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:15,279 was a combination of thankfully for shot Link now and 334 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,000 getting access easily to kind of a data set of 335 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:24,240 how and in what ways they play, mirrored with just having 336 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,119 a good communication channel with what's their comfort level on 337 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,720 hitting a cut versus draw, what's their comfort level on 338 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:34,839 rough shots versus fair way. You know, if it tightened 339 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,759 up closer, do you want a ninety shot from the 340 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,920 rough or a one to fifty from short grass. Just 341 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,039 kind of having some of those notes when we practiced 342 00:18:43,079 --> 00:18:48,440 early on just kind of help streamline the whole process, 343 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,640 if you will. So it's a little bit of a 344 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,680 combination of already just watching them and being huge fans 345 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,559 of them each and every week, plus working directly with 346 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,559 them to get a feel for what they like and 347 00:18:58,599 --> 00:18:59,000 don't like. 348 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: Right, who is the most difficult? 349 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: None of them? They were all amazing. 350 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: Oh come on. So and now that that season is 351 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,440 over and I felt like it was a big success. 352 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,279 I loved watching it. I know that there are a 353 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:24,960 lot of let's call them old school OG golfers right 354 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,680 that were like discounting it as if it was another 355 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:34,200 league that was just trying to dig into the PGA 356 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:39,079 Tour like live. But it really kind of supported what 357 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,640 PGA is doing as opposed to competing with it, and 358 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:47,039 you know, they complimented. I mean it was clear that 359 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:49,920 these were Monday and Tuesday nights because those were the 360 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,599 off days for these guys and they lived a lot 361 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,039 of them lived in the area where so far was 362 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:55,519 set up. 363 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: Correct, that's right? Yeah? 364 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:05,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, So how how does everyone feel about season two? 365 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think everybody's bullish, kind of like 366 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,000 you were just hinting at, right. I mean, it is 367 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:14,000 one of those things where a lot of a lot 368 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,119 of the guys maybe the first match or the first 369 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,920 practice sessions, there was a little bit of it's new. Right. 370 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,200 The way I kind of equated it was, I if 371 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,279 you're playing at API at bay Hill and you had 372 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:30,759 to go out and play the next week at the 373 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:33,839 Scottish Open, you got to change the way you play golf. 374 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,319 You're not going to the same type of drive. You're 375 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,680 not going to hit the forty yard shots around the 376 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,079 greens the same. The lies are different, you have to 377 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:45,400 play the conditions, the wind, the temperature, everything. This was 378 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,920 the exact same situation, and I think maybe some of 379 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,839 the guys at first wanted to say it's the same, 380 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,799 but you have to realize you're indoors, so it's a 381 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:57,240 controlled environment. There's no wind. The ball flies differently because 382 00:20:57,279 --> 00:21:00,519 the humidity is you know, set in an indoor environment 383 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:04,359 versus outdoor mornings and afternoon rounds. The humidity changes, so 384 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,279 there's all these different things. And yes, we hit off 385 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:10,279 a real grass into the screen, but it was hitting 386 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:12,440 off of turf around the greens, So some of the 387 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:16,440 guys maybe hit the same that low spinning webshot, but 388 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:20,480 if that ball lands in turf, it interacts differently than 389 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,480 if it lands on you know, bed grass or something. 390 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:27,920 So there was just an adoption that needed to happen 391 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,359 as they realized that it was technically a little bit 392 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,119 of a different game, a different format, And once that happened, 393 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,440 everybody started playing their best, and I think it really 394 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,960 I think after the first couple of weeks, everybody would 395 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,160 agree that competition got really, really tight, because now you're 396 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,839 just seeing the best players in the world have fun 397 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,799 and want to beat each other. And it was in person. 398 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:51,400 I got to tell you, like, you're standing with the 399 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,440 guys on the side, and I'll just say they were 400 00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:57,640 very competitive and they definitely wanted to win. So I 401 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,079 think carrying that into season two is is only exciting 402 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:03,880 or super bullish on all of it. 403 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: I have grand visions for TGL. I see co ed teams. 404 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:20,880 I see LPGA versus LPGA. I see LPGA versus PGA. 405 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:26,200 I would love to see PGA versus live, right, I 406 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,799 think that this doesn't have to be a once a year, 407 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,839 couple of week situation. But I'm not involved in the 408 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:36,319 decision making at all my senses. You're not involved in 409 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,279 the decision making, but you're on the inside hearing the conversations. 410 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: I think that's that's probably fair. 411 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,319 Speaker 1: So what's going on in the conversations? 412 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: But come on, man, I mean, I think I think 413 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,880 there's definitely an opportunity to expand. I you know, I 414 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,400 think everybody would love to see a way to incorporate 415 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,200 the female golfer into this environment. It's the LPGA is 416 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,720 doing nothing but growing. The women that play in that 417 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,799 are as good, if not better than a lot of 418 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:08,319 the guys, and unfortunately they just haven't always gotten the eyeballs. 419 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,960 And the more people are watching, you watch Nelly play golf, 420 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,319 and I don't care what I mean, She's just she's 421 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,880 absolutely unbelievable. We'd be crazy to say we wouldn't want 422 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,000 to see or compete in this kind of environment. So 423 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,160 I think we're I think there's definitely a likelihood of 424 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,759 seeing something in the in the future, whether it's you know, mixed, 425 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:30,519 whether it's just an LPGA league. But even to add 426 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,160 onto what you're saying, Fred, and who knows where this 427 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,079 would go and if it is, But I mean, you're 428 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:39,119 seeing the creator classics happening anymore now. On PGA Tour events, 429 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,119 you could see the number of celebrities that have grown 430 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,680 to love this game, that have actually invested also in 431 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,160 TGL like Steph Curry and some of these other folks 432 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,799 that have really strong presence in the game of golf. 433 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:52,799 How do you see that expansion. We've seen that match 434 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:56,000 format bring NFL players and other people from other sports 435 00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:59,799 leagues to draw interest and grow the game. We had 436 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:02,480 any of people. There was one night Josh Allen's bachelor 437 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:05,519 party was down there during one of our matches, and 438 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:07,960 he and the guys all played after the match was over. 439 00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:12,680 You know, the more you see that kind of interaction, 440 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,440 it makes you excited just to think about the possibilities 441 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,279 of where that format and that stadium can really elevate 442 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:23,799 the game across more than just the PGA Tour. So yeah, 443 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,599 I mean, I'll say that to me, there's endless opportunities 444 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,319 of where and how they can expand and take this 445 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,839 to help gar the game. 446 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And there's the team aspect of it. You know, 447 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:40,599 we know how exciting the Ryder Cup is and the 448 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,640 energy of it, but the team aspect of this what 449 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,720 really sucked me in was these guys being miked so 450 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:50,119 you can hear them giving each other a hard time, 451 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,839 you know, dishing it out. But you could also hear 452 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,839 their strategy as they're playing, which I felt was so 453 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:01,039 exciting to hear that part. He's made it more fun. 454 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,039 You know. The other thing is like here, clearly Tiger, 455 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,119 who's never going to be able to walk seventy seventy 456 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,119 two holes competitively. Ever, again, we don't think he's always 457 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,880 got magic in his back pocket, but we don't know. 458 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:20,039 But in a situation like this where he doesn't have 459 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,160 to walk seventy two holes and he can play a 460 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,559 full round, that opens the door to more seniors coming in, 461 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,759 right the Champions Tour, the guys, the older guys coming 462 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,920 in and playing against each other because they don't have 463 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,279 to they don't have to walk that much anymore, less 464 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:37,160 taxing on him. 465 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, By the way, anybody that thinks that man, 466 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:43,400 if he was allowed a cart, I would bet on 467 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,440 him to win again in a big tournament because he's 468 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,559 still I mean to see, I swear he is. He's 469 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:52,440 got magic in every pocket. To watch how he can 470 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,440 still hit the ball one hundred and eighty miles an hour, 471 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,480 he just blows it. He blows your mind to get 472 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,319 to see it in person. He's just you were right there, Yeah, 473 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:01,880 he's a bit. 474 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: And you're looking at the numbers, hard numbers comparing to 475 00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:08,200 these other guys, and here he is, and you're. 476 00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: Saying, these guys that are winning on the tour right now, 477 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,599 and he's doing it with you know, obviously maybe the 478 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,359 legs aren't as strong and parts of your body that 479 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:21,119 you need to generate speed, and he's still out there 480 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,480 just hitting fairways at very very fast speeds. That just 481 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,279 he's unbelievable, he really is. Can only hope he can 482 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,599 figure that magic sauce out that you were talking about 483 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:33,839 and we get to see him bring twenty nineteen augusta 484 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,400 back to life, because I think everybody in the world 485 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,200 would love to see it. 486 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly everybody. Well, and then in this conversation thinking about, 487 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:48,000 oh my gosh, Charlie his son, Oh, let's go teams. 488 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:50,759 Let's do college teams. Nil is going to allow this. Now, 489 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,200 let's see college teams, the top four college six college 490 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,039 teams compete or eight teams, whatever you have, you know, 491 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,480 compete against each other because they're used to team golf 492 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,079 as it is. Anyway, it's a whole another so you 493 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,400 can do this. All this can be done all year long. 494 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Insider Baseball thread. I may or may not 495 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,440 have asked Charlie when we played Tiger if I could 496 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,480 give him the closer signal when he's sitting in the 497 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,599 box and see if he would come out and put 498 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,079 against his dad. And we beat him. But he didn't 499 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:20,480 want to. He didn't want to put his dad to 500 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,440 shame on ESPN. But we But you're right, I mean nothing. 501 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,240 I mean, you think about how amazing of a format 502 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,000 like even what the father Son PNC is. Oh my god, 503 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,119 there's so many of these type of events that tgl's 504 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,960 format and the style of play could lend itself to 505 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,079 and it's two hours exactly. It's fast format. The shot 506 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,440 clock was fun, like if you're in the stadium, everybody's chanting, 507 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,319 like in a basketball game when there was ten seconds left, 508 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,960 you know our guys, everybody's running around trying to get 509 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,559 the crowd riled up. It feels like the first he 510 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,720 at the Ryder Cup for almost two hours. I mean, 511 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,160 you can be loud. None of the guys care. There 512 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,599 was no like signs held up. That's as please be 513 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,559 quiet when we're tea and off. You've got guys just chanting. 514 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,000 When we played New York, I swear they flew down 515 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,359 Long Island into a fan section and they had no 516 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,480 problem bringing the Bethpage Block noise to us at TGL, 517 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,440 and it was it made it. It riled our guys up. 518 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,559 It made it so much fun. 519 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, So technologically TGL again introduced the shot clock, 520 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,799 which was pretty great. The shot clock and the pressure 521 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,079 and if I remember, because I watched every single one, 522 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,119 the only shot clock violation I think was just once 523 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,680 or twice and it was both Tiger, right, it was 524 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,559 once and it was and it was Tiger. Yeah. Yeah. 525 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,279 He seemed to have more issues with the technology than 526 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,799 anybody and the old guy. But you know, like Waitte, 527 00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:52,599 my my nine iron doesn't go that far. You know, 528 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200 he kept doing a couple of those, but dude, you're 529 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,000 hitting off of phony gret well. But when they're hitting 530 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:07,039 those boxes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what about other introductions 531 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,079 of technology do you see in the future, because I 532 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:10,839 have a suggestion. 533 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: I'm curious your suggestion before I say anything. 534 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: Okay, have a. 535 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: Better idea than I do. 536 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: No, it's not better, it's just an idea, but I 537 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,920 think there it's hard on TV to follow the ball 538 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,079 once it's hit, especially when they take that weird angle 539 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:34,200 from the back left corner. But like you, you hear 540 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,279 the ball hit, You kind of hear a pop when 541 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,759 it hits the screen, but you don't see it, and 542 00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:41,960 then all of a sudden, there's like a beat later 543 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,799 and the ball's fly. Now you see a virtual ball flying. 544 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,200 My suggestion would be to have like a sound effect 545 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:57,960 for when it goes from actual to virtual, like when 546 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,759 the ball hits the screen, to hear a type of 547 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,759 sound right, so that you know, okay, But also there's 548 00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:09,640 a mark on the screen where it hit, because obviously 549 00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:12,160 the driver gonna it's gonna be lower on the screen 550 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,119 and then when they hit a wedge. I mean, this 551 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,920 thing is sixty feet tall, and you know they're hitting 552 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,240 wedges that probably. 553 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,119 Speaker 2: Could hit the roof getting close. 554 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know it's like where did it hit 555 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,480 on the screen? What angle are they taking? So I 556 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,799 have a better idea. I mean, I'm not saying to 557 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,480 have the tracker line the top tracer line follow the 558 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,279 ball from when it hits, but to have that moment 559 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:44,759 from actual to virtual I think would enhance it a bit. Yeah, 560 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:45,880 I think my two cents. 561 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:48,079 Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot that they'll be 562 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,720 able to learn and grow from it. I think, you know, 563 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,640 multiple times throughout the season there were slight adjustments within 564 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,440 production and also kind of in venue activation and the 565 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,720 way it worked. I give a lot of credits over 566 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,119 down there at TGL. They've got a lot of really 567 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,240 bright minds that have a lot of opportunities. Jeff Newbarthur 568 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:11,839 runs production obviously in league for years and put on 569 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,480 all the matches throughout their creation and has a lot 570 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,119 of experience in that and excited to see kind of 571 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:21,559 what that team brings to life coming into season two. 572 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: Well it maybe mine may not have been that good 573 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,319 of an idea because you didn't write it down. 574 00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,079 Speaker 2: This is recorded, so I didn't have to write it down. 575 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,039 Speaker 1: Okay, I think we need to get back to our 576 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:44,519 own virtual setups now. That was really awesome, and congratulations 577 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,079 on being involved in all of that. It was fun 578 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,039 to see. And on the cover of this episode you'll 579 00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:51,759 see a photo have been with a couple of the 580 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,880 players from a TGL event. Let's let's now talk more 581 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,680 about how we can play and press ACTE virtually with 582 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:08,000 our own in home setup. Where do you start when 583 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960 someone's saying I want to do a simulator at my house, 584 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,519 how do you start that? Where's this conversation begin? 585 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a couple of kind of parameters 586 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,759 that we just want to understand, right. It really comes 587 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:25,359 down to a few things. One the size of the room. 588 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:29,799 That sounds like it may be obvious, but certain simulators 589 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:34,279 and launch binder technologies require different depths to the screen 590 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,640 depth from where you make contact. So for at first glance, 591 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,279 knowing how big your room is, you eliminate X number 592 00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:46,920 of options. So room sizes is really important. 593 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: And I would suspect that most important is the height 594 00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:50,640 of the ceiling. 595 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the heights nine feet minimum. But outside 596 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,000 of that, really any of the launch monitors work. If 597 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,559 you have that height. It really becomes more of the depth, 598 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,359 the amount of space from the launch monitor to the 599 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,640 screen and the hit location of the screen. So that 600 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:13,319 part of it's kind of an important factor. And then second, 601 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,319 what are you looking to get from it? I mean, 602 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:18,920 in our opinion kind of being an agnostic partner that 603 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,000 studies and looks at all the different technologies. Are you 604 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,920 looking to have it more of a social thing and 605 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,000 play games with friends. Are you looking to just practice 606 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,319 and you want as many ball metrics as possible to 607 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,920 be that kid who gets a D one scholarship never 608 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,799 playing outdoors, or are you looking to play the best 609 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640 quality of pebble beach that you can like? It really 610 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,720 kind of depends on what your use cases because the 611 00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:46,920 different technologies specialize in different things. And then third, ultimately 612 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,000 is price point. What budget do you have and how 613 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,440 do we create the best solution for you, your family, whatever 614 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,000 your situation is. So I think when we have those 615 00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,200 kind of three, it's a really good starting point to 616 00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,000 then put you in the right bundle at least to 617 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,799 start a conversation around and kind of work on it 618 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:04,200 from there. 619 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,839 Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be indoors. 620 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't. That's another question. You may bring that up. Fred. 621 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,920 It's a lot of these units. I mean, we see 622 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,559 every pro guy with one of these or gals on 623 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:19,400 the range when they're warming up. A lot of these 624 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,360 you could put behind you and hit into a net 625 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,079 in your backyard, you can play in your garage. I mean, 626 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,960 there's endless options when you really think about it. But again, 627 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,760 that'd be another thing to note because some of the 628 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,440 units maybe aren't as good outdoors versus indoors, et cetera. 629 00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,079 So it really just depends on again what your use 630 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:37,519 case is ultimately. 631 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,079 Speaker 1: And when I walk in the door saying I want 632 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,199 to do in home simulator, and I'm thinking it's going 633 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,599 to be to help my swing mechanics, to help my swing, 634 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,639 but also for social I want to invite people over 635 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,960 and make a night of it. Things like that, Where 636 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,159 do we start do we start on? Okay, how much? 637 00:34:58,199 --> 00:34:58,960 What's your budget? 638 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really key key point. I mean, ultimately 639 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,960 it's kind of going to take you also to things 640 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,760 like quality, really quality of what shows up on the screen. Right. 641 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,239 I mean you can go into Best Buy tomorrow and 642 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,800 say I want a fifty five inch TV to watch movies, 643 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,960 and there's going to be a price range from you know, 644 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,639 two hundred and fifty dollars to three thousand dollars. So 645 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,840 ultimately just comes down to some of those things that 646 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,400 are important to you as the consumer. And then they're 647 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,519 small features, right. I mean some of them have built 648 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,559 in screens into the unit. That's a nice feature. Some 649 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:38,639 of them have better accessibility with iOS and iPad devices 650 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,639 if you did want to be more mobile. So it 651 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:43,119 starts getting a little bit more technical from there. But 652 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,519 I would say once we know those kind of things, 653 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,119 we've got a starting point for you. 654 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that the starting point is the 655 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,039 most important, because this guy's the limit on how far 656 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,719 you can go in price. You can just keep going 657 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,719 and going. But what should I have in my mind 658 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,840 as a base amount? I'm going to start with For 659 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,280 a room in my house, it's got nine foot ceilings 660 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,360 and the room is twenty by that's a big room. 661 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,639 Twelve twelve by eighteen room, kind of a standard sized room, 662 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,000 I guess, with a nine foot ceiling. So we need 663 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:24,119 to know what would be the base amount we're talking 664 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,519 about as opposed. You know, do I turn around and 665 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,800 walk out the store right now, or it's like, okay, 666 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,800 you got me, Now let's work from there. 667 00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean base to get in with everything you 668 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,519 need to be able to play that Now. Granted we 669 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,679 don't sell your iPad or. 670 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: They're my golf clubs. I don't need my golf clubs either. 671 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 2: We do sell your golf club I'm sure you do. 672 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: But let's just. 673 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,159 Speaker 2: Put out of it. If we get you the enclosure, 674 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,119 the screen, the turf, the projector the side net so 675 00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:59,679 kids not hitting a hozzle into your window, the side net, 676 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,639 and then the actual launch monitor itself, we're starting at 677 00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:08,440 about thirty five hundred bucks. Oh that's not bad, No, yeah, 678 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,360 I mean that. This is the exciting thing too. For 679 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,039 as we talked about this and where we're really trying 680 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,559 to get put our foot on the gas and be 681 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:18,280 bullish on it is the prices have massively come down 682 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,599 really over the last four or five years as mass 683 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,199 adoption has happened. More and more companies are entering this 684 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,960 space and therefore the competitive nature of it has created 685 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,159 a bit of a reduction in price. So it's I 686 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,239 think the mentality of a consumer probably thinks it's fifty 687 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,360 thousand dollars to put. 688 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's where I thought. 689 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,079 Speaker 2: You go. 690 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:41,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you said thirty five about one hundred, it's 691 00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:43,719 like thirty five thousand, I am makes sense? 692 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thirty five hundred. You you can bet on 693 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,400 the low end and play golf courses and have fun 694 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,559 in your house, and that's hitting into a screen with 695 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,400 a projector everything. 696 00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: I've been a big fan here on Golf Smarter with 697 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,440 the Rahapsodo products. They're great people, and it's a great 698 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,639 product and the quality. I just happened to see a 699 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,360 video on YouTube recently a guy comparing the track man 700 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,679 versus a rap soda, and he's talking about you want 701 00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,440 to spend five thousand or you want to spend seven 702 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:25,480 hundred and the accuracy. He tried multiple shots with three 703 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,119 different clubs and the accuracy was so close it was 704 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,800 unless you're teaching. If this is just a consumer product, 705 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,360 I want to get better. The Rap soda really held 706 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,760 up well at a very compelling price point. 707 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. The rhap Sodo MLM two, which is probably what 708 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,880 you're talking about, is I mean, it's a fantastic price 709 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,119 point a little under seven hundred dollars, unbelievable quality. It's 710 00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,199 got a cameras you're able to kind of go back 711 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,039 and loop a little bit of video feed of how 712 00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:01,880 your swing win and then yeah, the accuracies is fantastic. 713 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,760 I think again, when you're paying up, it's different functionality 714 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,639 and features that may or may not be important to 715 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:12,199 the consumer. So, for instance, some of the higher end 716 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:14,920 ones might have better quality graphic cards, so when you're 717 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,159 actually hitting into a screen, it's the difference in seeing 718 00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:20,679 the tree blow in the wind and you know, making 719 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,239 a lot more realistic feeling maybe versus a little bit 720 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,719 lower quality graphic. There's small nuances like that that come 721 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,760 into play. There's some small additive ball in club metrics 722 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,760 that certain avid golfers might want to see, angle of attack, 723 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,480 some of these other metrics that are important to their 724 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,960 game that you don't always get with every unit. So 725 00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:44,480 again that's what I'm going with it. There's options for everybody. 726 00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:47,480 It really just comes down to which of those features 727 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,719 and benefits are most important to figure budget. 728 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,119 Speaker 1: My son has a putt and green out in front 729 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:57,280 of his house, fenced in, and he's got two kids, 730 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,440 four and six and a half years old, and just 731 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,639 last week he gave them each their own golf bag 732 00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:06,639 that had a driver, a seven iron, and a putter, 733 00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:10,519 right these small clubs, and immediately they pulled they each 734 00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,599 pulled out the driver and the seven iron and wanted 735 00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,519 to start swinging away with it. But it's like, no, no, no, 736 00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,280 you're going to damage the You're going to damage the 737 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,119 putting green if you hit with that. You can't do that. 738 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:22,880 And they still don't know what they're doing. They just 739 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,679 like the big the heft of it, and we're trying 740 00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,880 to get them to use the putter. So this is 741 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,079 the kind of thing for somebody who has kids, and 742 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,400 it's like, well, I've got kids now and I'm not 743 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,480 going to play be able to play golf anymore. Oh wait, 744 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,360 here's an opportunity. So the price point like that for 745 00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:43,320 him to start and to have kids be able to 746 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,400 hit in the balls and have games with that, interactive games, 747 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,199 that's a pretty compelling argument. 748 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,119 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I mean, it's a there's there's different 749 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,559 technologies again in the launch bars that have different things 750 00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,400 for kids. You know, if you've been to Top Golf Day, 751 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,960 that partnership with with Angry Birds. Some of the other 752 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,960 functionality and launch monitors have different cool partnerships to be 753 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,960 able to entice the kid to play. You can play 754 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,639 on top of a skyscraper, you can play out in 755 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,039 a desert hitting at dinosaurs, right, I mean, there's like 756 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:21,679 different gamify the driving range or make it fun for kids. 757 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,800 So that part's cool. They've they've definitely gotten better on putting, 758 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,360 so a lot of those different launch monitors have like 759 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,199 pup putt courses and things of that nature. So it's 760 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,559 really kind of becoming a family environment if that's again 761 00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:38,760 what you're looking to do with it. And I'm just 762 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,000 to take a step back, I'm being remiss to not 763 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:46,119 call it out A screen, a projector sounds like a 764 00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,320 home theater to me. So when you're not playing, you 765 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,639 can throw you know, whatever you want to watch, and 766 00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,159 then you're sitting there, you're the cool house that kids 767 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,800 want to go to because now you basically have a 768 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,400 built in movie theater in your house. So to me, 769 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,320 there's there's so many cool opportunities for the whole family 770 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,239 to be able to get the opportunity or the benefits 771 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,559 of it. So it's not just it's a both a 772 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,159 Father's Day and Mother's Day and Christmas gift for the kids. 773 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 1: Whoever is right, So tell me why I should be 774 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,800 calling PGA Superstore if I'm interested in putting an in 775 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,920 home simulator versus any other person that claims to be 776 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,559 doing golf simulated materials and setups. 777 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, first and foremost kind of where we started, right, 778 00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:33,599 the name on the door, the brand, the trust that 779 00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,159 you have in us. It's a lot of the people 780 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,119 that are in this space. It's kind of more of 781 00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,840 your one off shops that do just this. The way 782 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,760 I kind of equate it to is, would you rather 783 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,679 go to a car dealership, test drive the car, see 784 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,960 the car in person, open the doors, all that stuff, 785 00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:51,360 or do you want to go online to carvon and 786 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,360 just have somebody come drop it off of your doorstep 787 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,159 and hopefully it's the exact car you wanted. I mean, 788 00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:59,480 we are generally speaking talking at a reasonably higher end 789 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,639 price point for a product. Yeah, it starts at thirty 790 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:04,920 five hundred, but you know, as we said earlier, it's 791 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,920 easy that it could creep up and get a little 792 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,000 bit higher. So to have a trusted partner that you 793 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,840 can go to We're located in almost thirty states and 794 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,199 growing now, so hopefully it's located close enough to you 795 00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:18,480 where you can actually go in person see the product, 796 00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:21,480 feel the product. We're actually working right now by the 797 00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,480 end of the year to be able to demo and 798 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,559 actually feel and see the end to end experience in 799 00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,559 your home in our stores. So it gives you that 800 00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,679 opportunity you talk to any of these players, including the 801 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,960 manufacturers of the Launch monitor. There's nowhere in the US 802 00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,119 unless you've got a country club or something that might 803 00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:40,719 have a build out where you're actually able to test 804 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,760 and demo like you do golf clubs in our store, 805 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,199 but for the simulator side of things. So we're really 806 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,559 excited about a lot what's coming. But I just start 807 00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,000 first and foremost with the experience and service level in 808 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,679 our stores and the trusted partner on our doors. Hopefully 809 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,559 those two combined with there's no better place to go 810 00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:59,119 for your high purchase needs like an inome zim. 811 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,039 Speaker 1: Awesome, Ben, this has really been fascinating. I love to 812 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,320 get your insights as you were at TGL and hear 813 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,119 what was going on there, but learning more about how 814 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:12,199 to set up an in home simulator has been really 815 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:16,079 fascinating as well. I appreciate your time and your insights awesome. 816 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 2: Prey Well, thank you for the time today. It's been fun.