WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:03.759 Yeah, big twelve Football media days next week in Dallas, 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:06.639 Texas will be down there as you're home of the Utes. 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:07.960 Myself and Sean O'Connell. 4 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.720 Have you taken care of We'll do back to back 5 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:11.000 days of like seven. 6 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:13.480 Hours of radio, so it should be a good time. 7 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.000 It's kind of the unofficial start of the college football 8 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:19.679 calendar for the University of Utah. Our next guest covers 9 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:21.879 college football and some other things. 10 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:23.839 We'll do mostly football today. 11 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:27.320 E Buddy Kyle Bonagura from ESPN on a Tuesday, Kyle, 12 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.359 Happy Tuesday man, what's going on? I do? 13 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:32.520 Good? Spens and Jorge Summer and kind of gearing up 14 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:36.280 for the season talking season starting. 15 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.159 I guess yes, indeed, yes, indeed. 16 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:40.679 So the big news around here over the past well 17 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:44.880 past number of weeks, but a different kind of tone 18 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:47.840 and tenor and direction. As a judge has granted a 19 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:51.159 joint motion from BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz Laugh and his 20 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:54.439 accuser to dismiss the civil suit against him. You and 21 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:56.799 Pete Thamill doing a great job as always covering this. 22 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:01.520 In addition, Jake has told his coaches and teammates he 23 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:03.320 is now looking for a new place to play as 24 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:06.879 a result of facing a seven game suspension. Just kind 25 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.400 of unpack your thoughts on this whole thing, the whole process, 26 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:10.599 and what you think comes next. 27 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:14.519 Yeah, I mean it's really it's really complex, right, It's 28 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.319 it's sensitive, it's complex. There's a lot of moving pieces here, 29 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.319 you know, for for for college football fans, Like the 30 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.439 bottom line kind of where we kind of left off here, 31 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.799 you know this week, is that Jake retzlof fan, like 32 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.319 you said, the woman who accused him of rape, they 33 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.640 they their their case was dismissed. What the indication is 34 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:35.319 is that there was probably some sort of a settlement 35 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.560 and they agreed to kind of go their separate ways. 36 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.640 And so what for redsoft this means is that as 37 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:43.480 part of his defense and maybe you guys to talk 38 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:46.200 about this, is that he admitted to you know, his 39 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.680 defense was that the encounter was a consent, was consensual sex, 40 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:52.879 which of course is a violation of b U i 41 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:56.439 US honor code. We've seen a number of cases or 42 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:00.359 instances in the past where you know, athletes, you know, 43 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.400 admitted to having sex and we're forced if they forced 44 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:05.879 into a suspension or kicked off the team. So as 45 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.599 soon as as soon as this was I guess last Friday, 46 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:12.719 when that defense publicly surface, I think it was pretty 47 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:15.680 easy to kind of see that a suspension was coming. 48 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:17.680 Then I was able to confirm it. You know, seven 49 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:21.080 games was the expectation, and for Jake faced the seven 50 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:24.759 games suspension in his final year of eligibility, a year 51 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.039 that he hoped to develop into an NFL prospect. I 52 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:31.479 think he made the decision pretty easy to ask, to 53 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.879 decide to transfer from the UYU. And now we'll see, 54 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.879 we'll see where he ends up. Right, There's a stigma 55 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:41.159 now attached to him as a result of the accusations, right, 56 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:45.719 and so we'll kind of see where that goes. I 57 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.280 think we'll have a pretty good sense to the next 58 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:49.879 week or two where where he winds up. And I 59 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:52.520 do expect him to find a home before the season begins. 60 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.879 So I am not a lawyer, and Kyle, unless I 61 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:57.680 am mistaken, neither of you correct. 62 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:03.759 Just spend too much time reading legal filings without the 63 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:06.080 education to make sense of them completely. 64 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:06.840 For sure, for sure. 65 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:08.960 But I'll ask and if there's not much here, we 66 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.240 can just move in another direction. Maybe you can enlighten 67 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.919 us on how this process kind of played out lawsuit filed. Okay, 68 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.479 that we had you on pretty quick after that because 69 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.800 the details that you guys were reporting on at BYU 70 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:27.080 as far as her accusations were, they were horrible. And 71 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.120 then you know, Retz left is an attorney, and his 72 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.840 attorney they filed kind of their side of things and 73 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.719 they were very adamant that this was consensual and that 74 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.479 included some pretty heavy language in the direction of this 75 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.800 young lady as well. And then we have this situation 76 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.520 where again the you know, it's kind of assumed that 77 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:48.039 a settlement was reached, but we don't have any information 78 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.879 in that direction. Now the judges is signing this to 79 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.280 kind of just dismiss the whole thing. Can you enlighten 80 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:56.240 us in kind of how this process works, and you know, 81 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.280 how they kind of came to this resolution, if that 82 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.599 makes sense, Yeah, and I. 83 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.599 Think you can, like and the process is pretty similar, 84 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.680 not just this case in particular, but like all all 85 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.039 civil cases that are similar, right, they all follow a 86 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:14.000 very similar kind of order of events. Right, the complaint 87 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.319 is filed by the accusing party, she remains nameless, then 88 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.399 you have a certain amount of days to reply, right, 89 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:21.920 And so you know, I don't know what the exact 90 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.519 number is, but that period time is thirty sixty days 91 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.839 or some period you know in the within those parameters. 92 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.560 That's what happened last week. So so Jake's hires an attorney, 93 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.399 they file a response to why they think it should 94 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:41.000 be dismissed or the or here's their defense that that's 95 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:43.680 all standard. Right, is when when you're talking about civil cases, 96 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:45.240 it can go a number of ways. Right, it can 97 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.839 be flat out dismissed by a judge like hey, on 98 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.199 its merits, we don't see anything here, there's not enough 99 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:53.720 to proceed there is. It can go to trial, right, 100 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.480 you all move forward, and that that could take a 101 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:57.519 couple of years to wind through the court system to 102 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.360 a point where we actually have a jury trial. That 103 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.839 was the the quote unquote demand in the original complaint, 104 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.519 which is all standard in the third like really common 105 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:08.800 door to go through as a settlement, right, And I 106 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.959 think that the based on the language that was included 107 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.800 in the joint motion to dismiss, it's hard to come 108 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.040 up with any other scenario to why they would have 109 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:21.279 filed that unless they had come to some sort of 110 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:26.040 a settlement. It's likely a financial settlement. And the territory 111 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.879 you start treading into there. Its like in those cases, 112 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.879 both parties agree not to ever discuss it, right, it 113 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:35.360 would violate that the terms of the agreement. So the 114 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:40.519 woman and her legal team are not allowed to discuss it. 115 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.319 I'm sure there's some sort of financial penalties if they 116 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:45.839 were to do so, And I think it's probably the 117 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.639 same on the other side, where where Jake or his 118 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:53.279 legal team is also not at liberty to discuss the numbers, right, 119 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.360 And so it's easy to make the assumption. I think 120 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:00.279 anyone understands that's probably what took place based on how 121 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.600 it's being unfolded. But there's just not going to be 122 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:05.560 any more details just because of the kind of the 123 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:07.439 way the things are structured. 124 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:08.399 Any inside at all. 125 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:11.839 And I am just asking to ask because I honestly 126 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:13.879 don't know. I mean, if you read the tea leaves 127 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:20.040 d YU, the institution must have read Jake's court filing 128 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:23.240 and what he had to say about, you know, the 129 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.920 events that took place, and when he admitted to consensual 130 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:28.439 premarital sex. I just am assuming that that's when the 131 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:31.399 punishment came down and it was going to be seven games. 132 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.480 Is that just a say safe way to assume how 133 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:33.839 this went. 134 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.839 Yes, I honest, I can say that I in talking 135 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.399 with sources and durnal reporting problems, I know that Jake 136 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:44.160 met with the school prior to the reply last week 137 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.879 being filed. So, like b YU was not caught off 138 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.480 guard by what was outlined in the reply where he 139 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:53.680 admitted publicly that this you know, his or his stance 140 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:57.480 publicly was that that the sex was consensual. So by 141 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.920 the time Friday rolled around the universe, he had already 142 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:05.240 been able to discuss internally what the appropriate punishment should be. 143 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.959 And like how they settled on seven games, it feels 144 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.680 a little arbitrary to me, but you know, I don't 145 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.759 have a great sense of how they determined that was 146 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:17.199 the number, but but it was relayed to him last week. 147 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:20.040 I believe on Friday that the number would be seven 148 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.879 and at that point, Yeah, I think it was a 149 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.000 very easy decision for him to move on. And like, 150 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.720 I don't think he was caught off guard by it either. Right, 151 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.839 there's the precedent is there at BUYU that like this 152 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:34.680 stuff is, this is how they deal with it. There, 153 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.600 there's the honor code that you kind of you know, 154 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.319 you can we can have a longer conversation about the 155 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:42.000 merits of it, but like, that's what you sign up 156 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.480 for when you go to that school, and so you 157 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.959 kind of have to live with the consequences if you 158 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.959 break the honor code. So that's and that's kind of 159 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:50.519 where we are. 160 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:54.680 Yeah, and the problem And I've said this quite frankly, 161 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.839 I said when the story came out. I've been doing 162 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.680 radio in this market, coming off this follity years and 163 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:04.399 my most unfavorite things to cover are BYU honor code 164 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:08.279 violations from players when things like this take place, because 165 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:11.000 there are so many angles where you feel, at least 166 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:12.839 I feel that you need to be fair to everybody 167 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:16.879 involved in you know, the community of people that decide 168 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.079 to go online and take victory laps if you're a 169 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.600 UTAH fan or accuse this woman of extorting or lying, 170 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.959 if you're a BYU fan, the whole thing. The whole 171 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.519 thing feels really gross to me, Kyle. I don't enjoy it. 172 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:31.160 But to your point about having a bigger conversation about 173 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.639 whether or not the honor code is antiquated, whether or 174 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:35.559 not it needs to be adjusted, I find that to 175 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:37.759 be a moot point. You know what, you get into 176 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.919 when you go down there. I had five siblings that 177 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:44.200 went to BYU. I mean, and there's no ambiguity, by 178 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:46.240 the way, Like it's there's no gray area, Like if 179 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.200 you're going to go there, you're expected to behave a 180 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:50.759 certain way, and if you don't, you need to understand, 181 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:52.240 like things like this could happen to me. 182 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:53.519 That's just kind of the bottom line. 183 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.240 Yeah, I think it's it's it's very clear, right, And 184 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:58.919 that's why I don't think he was surprised that there 185 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.240 was a suspension. I mean, starting quarterback at IT for 186 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:05.759 a program with very high aspirations this coming year, and 187 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:07.600 and and that didn't matter, right. I Mean we saw 188 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.519 it however many years ago with with Brandon Davies, like 189 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:13.080 getting suspended when the basketball team was twenty seven to 190 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:14.919 two and ranked number two in the country, right, Like 191 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:16.960 that's just that's that's how it works there, and so 192 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.039 you have to kind of accept it if you're going 193 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.600 to play it there. It does complicate things though, you 194 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.000 know that that he's not that he's not Mormon, right, 195 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.080 that he's you know, there was you know he had 196 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:29.960 by J trademarked last year because he was such a 197 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.679 unique uh, you know, dynamic for to have a Jewish 198 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.840 starting quarterback at BYU for the first time ever. Uh, 199 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:38.480 it was you know interesting if nothing else. And so 200 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.799 uh the fact that it's you know, not of that faith, 201 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:46.200 but you know, is being punished for you know, the 202 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.080 beliefs of that religion is also like a very interesting conversation. Right. 203 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.240 It's not football related at all, It's it's it's society 204 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.679 and it's uh, you know everything that goes into that. 205 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.919 But you know, from a from a college football standpoint, 206 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.200 you know, it would have been very easy to avoid 207 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.720 this scenarios Surgypop, and now he's just got to deal 208 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:04.919 with it. 209 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:06.679 I wonder how. 210 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.159 And you know, this is where we get into this 211 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:13.559 like slippery slope with this conversation, you know, because out 212 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:17.159 here we're used to this, and certainly, whether you're a 213 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.240 member of the LDS Church or not, if you live 214 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.159 in this state, you have to find a way to 215 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.399 exist in the ecosystem that's dominated on every level of 216 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:29.279 state by the religion that essentially you know, settled here 217 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:33.399 hundreds of years ago. So out here something like this 218 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:34.960 goes down, you know kind of like yeah, that's the 219 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.399 BYU experience. I wonder how you would articulate the reaction 220 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:42.120 from somebody who's an outsider looking in And look, you've 221 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.720 covered BYU and maybe you're the wrong the wrong guy 222 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:48.399 asked this because you do you are familiar with Salt Lake, 223 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:50.720 you've covered Utah in the PAC twelve, and because you've 224 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.200 covered BYU stories. But when something like this happens, how 225 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:57.159 do you think it's kind of digested and optically it 226 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.759 looks from the outside looking in from somebody who may 227 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:01.879 not be familiar with how this stuff works. 228 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.960 Yeah, that's an interesting question because like, yeah, like I'll 229 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.919 just say none of this kind of common appy that 230 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.080 I've been around it enough to have like understand kind 231 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.000 of the state of play for the most part. So 232 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.519 I feel like I had a decent understanding for being 233 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.679 an outsider. But like imagine telling someone this and like 234 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:21.759 the South right, like the college football quarterback. You know, 235 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.279 your quarterback is suspended because he had sex, like pad 236 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.159 pre marital sex. It's insane. Like I think there's like 237 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.600 an expectation that like, yeah, he's the quarterback of a 238 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.440 college of like a ranked college football team that is 239 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.559 challenging for uh, you know, conference titles. There's a you know, 240 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:42.519 there's a perception of what that individual social life might be, right, 241 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:46.840 that comes with being a high profile athlete in college sports, 242 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.200 especially the quarterback, right, and so if anything, you know, 243 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:51.720 you would be I think you have a lot of 244 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.559 people surprised if the starting quarterback wasn't having sex. Right, 245 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:57.559 That's just that's just the reality of what the perception 246 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.080 is nationally about about about that. But but again, so 247 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:03.559 I think, yeah, there's some people that of course a're 248 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:04.960 not going to agree with it, and they're gonna think 249 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:07.919 it's weird, and that's just the way it is, right. 250 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.440 There's there's no uh, you know, there's there's no way, 251 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.399 no other way to explain it, right, There's just cultural differences, 252 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:16.600 and you know it's in you know, in the United States, 253 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.240 there's so many different subcultures that are that are so different, 254 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:22.000 and college football has a way of bringing them all together, 255 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:23.879 which I think most of the time is actually a 256 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:27.039 really good thing and exposed to you to different backgrounds 257 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.360 in areas of the country, which which mixes them all together. 258 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.799 But certainly you're gonna have this, uh, you're gonna have 259 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:35.679 some shock at times when stuff like this plays out. 260 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.879 Do you think there's anything about this, and again, just 261 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.559 covering this whole thing and trying to trying to talk 262 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.519 about it appropriately and cover all sides of it appropriately 263 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:49.360 continues to feel weird. And the fact of the matter is, Kyle, 264 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.519 as you know, ever since n I NIL became a reality, 265 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.159 BYU has been able to recruit at a very high level. 266 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.480 Their twenty twenty six class, as a result of another 267 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:02.039 commit is currently top twenty five according to the ESPN rankings. 268 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:06.320 They've got the best college basketball freshmen in America playing 269 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:11.200 in Provo next year. So the weird kind of dichotomy 270 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.320 here is on one side, they've been able to find 271 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:17.240 this lane with deep pocketed donors writing big time checks 272 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:19.320 to pay what you need to pay to attract talent. 273 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:22.360 Do you think something like this with the Jake stuff 274 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.679 could have an adverse effect on the program when people 275 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:28.600 kind of dig into it and to your point, might 276 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:30.600 look at this as antiquated or weird. 277 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:33.279 I think so yeah. I mean, I think if you 278 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.120 put yourself in the shoes of a bunch of eighteen 279 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.639 year old kids, right there are some of them who 280 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.240 are not going to want to go into that sort 281 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.799 of environment. That's just the reality of it, right, and 282 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.000 so but I think that was the case before, Like 283 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.879 this is just the most recent example of like, hey, 284 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.759 it's front and center. It kind of refreshes the idea 285 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:53.799 of like, hey, like this is kind of the environment 286 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:55.679 that you're signing up for, and it's going to some 287 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:57.879 people are going to shy away from it. But I 288 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:02.000 do think that BUYU has benefit as much as anyone 289 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.639 in college athletics by the way things have developed. From 290 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.759 an analys standpoint, I mean, look at basketball, look at football, 291 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:10.960 like you know, and I talked to some people over 292 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:12.960 at UYU and they see it as look like UIU 293 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.559 is like the church is very like sees this as 294 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:21.440 an opportunity to help church, right, because the more high 295 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:25.159 profile BUYU athletics is, the more front and center the 296 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.879 LDS religion is, right, That's just it's it's pure marketing, right, 297 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.320 and so there's an investment into football that benefits the 298 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:34.720 church in that way. There's just like, look, you also 299 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.440 want to be successful in sports. This is an opportunity. 300 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:39.559 There's a lot of money there that can be using 301 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.080 and is be and is being used to help fund 302 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.639 these programs. And so I think like on balance, BYU 303 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:51.120 is benefiting from this, but certainly like this event if 304 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:54.360 you're gonna have any negative repercursions as well, but the 305 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:55.559 launder methodsill be right. 306 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:00.600 So it does come after a season where b caught 307 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:02.960 a lot of people off guard with how well they played. 308 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.919 And you know, interestingly enough, and we've talked about this 309 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:07.440 so we don't need to look back on it, but 310 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:10.320 the two games they lost like they they weren't that 311 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:14.399 far off from having like an extra ordinary season, cracking 312 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:16.240 a sea up here, what have you. But they stumble 313 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.279 down the stretch at home to Kansas and then they 314 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:23.320 lose an absolute dogfight Arizona State, they beat Colorado and 315 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:24.919 the Alamo Bowl they go eleven and two. 316 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:27.720 So now we move over to what could be next 317 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:28.039 for them. 318 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.879 You know, the interesting thing is Jake was eleventh in 319 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.840 the Big twelve and QBR oftentimes they were able to 320 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:36.840 win in spite of some really bad decisions he made. 321 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.840 So when you look at you know, the quarterback room, 322 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:42.679 McKay Hillstead is a Utah State transfer of tracing Borgay 323 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.919 and Bear Bachmeyer. I don't know who's going to get 324 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.840 the job, but the football takeaway, as we awkwardly now 325 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:51.679 make this a football topic because it's just so weird 326 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.200 to talk about all this stuff. What do you think 327 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.919 this means for BYU football this year in the Big twelve? 328 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:01.399 Yeah, So it's it's hard to say, right because like 329 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:03.440 we just don't know how good the other quarterbacks will be. 330 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:05.200 And it's like as good as Redsoft was, he wasn't 331 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:06.639 like it was a set of the world on fire. 332 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:09.679 I think he was a competent quarterback who who didn't 333 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.559 lose games and and you know that's actually like a 334 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.600 really valuable like aspet to have, right, Like he he 335 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.320 made the mistakes at times and wasn't perfect and and 336 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:20.480 and showed flashes at times where where I thought he 337 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:23.480 was really good. I think there was a lot of uh, 338 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.720 you know, a stock being and put into him coming 339 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:28.840 back as the starter, right and and not being the 340 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.039 same quarterback that he was last year and being able 341 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.639 to have that that year of starting experience under his 342 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:36.080 belt where now he's able to kind of make the 343 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.000 step next step and be it more just be a 344 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.519 better player. Right with him gone that it's a it's 345 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.720 a complete unknown. I mean, I think l J. Martin 346 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.679 is actually a really good back. Like like I think 347 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.120 he's progressed pretty well over the last two years. Like, 348 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:52.720 so I think a lot more will be put on 349 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:55.519 him than probably would have been expected if if rets 350 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:57.960 Off was was coming back. But yeah, it's it's it's 351 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.879 a complete DOWNNWN with with with who the other quarterbacks are. 352 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:04.759 You know, you got three different transfers, so we'll see. 353 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:06.880 Like I still think, you know, this is a team 354 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.000 that won with defense last year, right, They had the 355 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:13.119 best defense in the Big Twelve, if I'm not mistaken statistically, 356 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.039 If not, you know, one of the best of the country, really, 357 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.200 and so when you're making your money that way, I 358 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:21.319 think a lot of that is Schematically they're very sound, 359 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.559 and you know, they've got some really important players to replace. 360 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:26.839 But at the same time, there's enough coming back to 361 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:28.960 where I think the expectations the defense should still be 362 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:32.279 very good. So with all those factors, I still think 363 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.160 buyu will will head into this year with really high expectations. 364 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.319 But and we talked about this in the past that 365 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:40.480 it's like it's just so hard to predict college football 366 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:42.799 now with all the rosters turnover. Yeah, there's a lot 367 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.000 like reading the telia, they should still be pretty good, 368 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:46.920 but you know, they were expected to come what like 369 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:49.880 thirteenth in the conference last year and almost won it. 370 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:51.599 So what do we know? 371 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.599 Not not a lot, I guess, and that's the problem. 372 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:54.960 I mean. 373 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.880 Now, I want to ask you about your thoughts on 374 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.559 the Big twelve, but it is July first, and I 375 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.079 to imagine that you've read some of the same predictions 376 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.519 I've read. Phil Steele came out with his annually. He's 377 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:08.839 got Baylor winning the conference, Utah at two. There are 378 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.519 a lot of preseason predictions that have Utah in the 379 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.519 area of like four to seven. I think a lot 380 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:16.640 of people are curious about Texas Tech with the money 381 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.680 they've spent. Then there's like the stall words k State, 382 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:22.839 Iowa State. Obviously we have to talk about Kenny Dillingham 383 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:24.880 and the team that won the conference a year ago. 384 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.680 But on July first, Kyle, what's your gut tell you 385 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.119 about this conference? It just seems to cannibalize itself, just 386 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:32.279 like the PAC twelve US too. 387 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:34.759 Yeah. I was actually going to make the tactical comparison. 388 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:36.799 As you're kind of reading those lists up, you can 389 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:38.519 make the like you can make the case for all 390 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.240 those teams and feel pretty good about it. Right, And 391 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.880 I think that's actually why I really like the Big 392 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.599 Twelve and like, like it's really an interesting conference to 393 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.240 start paying more attention to because it is wide open. 394 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:52.759 There isn't the established powers. I like the parody, and 395 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:56.880 it doesn't it's not necessarily great like for national prominence 396 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.640 not to have just like a bell cow at the top. 397 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:01.839 You can rely on to the top five or whatever. 398 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.640 But you know, Arizona State was a great story last year. 399 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.079 They were I think picked to come second to last 400 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:08.839 in the conference and to go to the playoffs and 401 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:12.359