WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:05.080 You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network. 2 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:18.719 Hello there, and. 3 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:21.039 Welcome back to the Disconnected here with the artist and 4 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:24.039 graphic designer MS Beth Morris. Beth, thanks for coming on 5 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:25.920 here and sharing your information with everybody. 6 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:28.120 It's okay, it's great to be on here. 7 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.760 I have admired your work from AFAR for a long time, 8 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:34.320 so it's just simply an honor to meet you. I 9 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.520 appreciate everything that I've seen that you do. For those 10 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:39.920 that don't know any of your work, could you sum 11 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:42.200 up what you do in graphic design? 12 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:48.320 Yeah, so, yeah, I mainly may kind of it's usually 13 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:52.320 just like kind of in like the indie film related artworks, 14 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:54.200 either like posters and kyr. 15 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:55.960 Or quite a lot of. 16 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:03.079 Blu ray signs. I work with Deaf Crocodile primarily now 17 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.400 kind of doing most of the layout work and the 18 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:12.400 rock covers, and I also I've also worked with like OCN, Alder, 19 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.959 Dinnercence and Arrow as well. 20 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.159 Yeah, You've done a couple for Altered Innocence that I've 21 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:23.280 truly loved. You've also done some stuff with Utopia that 22 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:27.840 I think are just absolutely brilliant designs. One thing that 23 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:32.640 I just as an artist, I am battled by what 24 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:36.560 you can do, what inspires you behind some of these titles, 25 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.239 Like with Deaf Crocodile stuff, for example, you seem to 26 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:43.319 pull just the most perfect elements out of a story 27 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:45.640 to make something that is captivating to the. 28 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.840 A thanks. 29 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:52.560 A lot of the time with I guess I like 30 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:54.680 how I work. It's usually just kind of like a 31 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.480 feeling of something or if there's something that's really like 32 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:03.519 stood up to me while watching the film. Yeah, Like 33 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:07.439 I mean, particularly with Adele has not had suffer yet. 34 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.719 I just really loved the bit with the class and 35 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:12.360 I kind of just got obsessed, like that would be 36 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.439 such a great way to include all the kind of 37 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:18.080 crazy elements from that film in one piece that kind 38 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:19.840 of gives you the right idea of kind of like 39 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.000 the what the kind of like tone of the film 40 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.639 is like. And then still kind of also like pulling 41 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:28.719 from kind of all those like Eastern European posted design 42 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:29.960 styles as well, which like I'm a. 43 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:30.719 Huge fan of. 44 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:34.120 That's I think that's one aspect that a lot of 45 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.960 people don't ever consider when even like thinking of the 46 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:42.560 idea of an artist. For many of them, the historical 47 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:46.159 aspects whether it be of a genre, or of a country, 48 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.080 or of a filmmaker. There's a lot to consider there. 49 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.280 Is that something that you you frequently research or is 50 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.520 that just something that you've always been enamored with. 51 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:59.199 Yeah, I've always been like a huge kind of like 52 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:03.199 a fan of Collarge like photomontage. Anyway, I did it. 53 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:06.120 So I did my undergrad just as like a fine 54 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:09.879 art degree and primarily did a lot of like college 55 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:13.560 book art using like found objects and found things. So 56 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.280 I always kind of been obsessed with it. And then 57 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:19.800 once I start started kind of doing more, I guess 58 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:25.439 like all film posters. Yeah, I think between a lot 59 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:30.680 of stuff from like art school looking at how stuff 60 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:33.599 and a lot of that kind of like protest kind 61 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:36.560 of college photomontage from me, and then discovering kind of 62 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.599 all the kind of like polish poster scene, and then 63 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.599 like check posters as well. Yeah, it's just like I 64 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:44.159 just kind of level all that kind of stuff, just 65 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.520 being able to like play around with loads of images 66 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.719 and just kind of see what what pops out and 67 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.240 like what feels right for the tone. 68 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:53.400 This is this is another thing that I see a 69 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:57.520 lot of people not fully understanding what goes into specifically 70 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.919 on physical media. How how does plays a key part 71 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.039 in this because a lot of people, especially nowadays, and 72 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:05.759 I'm sure we're going to talk about AI in just 73 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.560 a little bit because it's the hot button topic of today, 74 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.879 but a lot of people don't understand, you know, the 75 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.879 idea of graphic design not necessarily coming from a I'm 76 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.839 going to bring out a brush and colors or a 77 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:23.240 pencil and do everything, not grasping that you can literally 78 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.839 do a collage of clippings from the film in a 79 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.560 way that is meaningful. And actually you brought up one 80 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:30.240 of my favorites that you've done, which is Adella has 81 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:34.639 Not had Supper Yet, which is just it captures the 82 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:37.160 tone of that movie so perfect, which is very difficult 83 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:40.680 because that movie is such a silly. 84 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.560 Like montage in its own way actually. 85 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:47.279 And then the other one that I think is just 86 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:50.720 astonishing is the savage Hunt of King Stack that you 87 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:56.120 did for def Crocodile is just gorgeous. Everything about that 88 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.120 makes me just want to live in the visual world 89 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.199 that you created is beautiful. So with with collage, could 90 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:04.800 you share a little bit of your process, like how 91 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:06.839 do you how do you go about creating something like that. 92 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.480 Yeah, it can. It kind of like depends from like 93 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.040 film to film. Sometimes I might be watching it and 94 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.600 have like a really really strong kind of idea of like, oh, 95 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:20.600 I think this would be really cool as like a 96 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.519 fun little collage or cut out thing. And at other 97 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.600 times it is just like very slowly kind of going 98 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:29.759 through like stills or images from the film that have 99 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.319 like stood out to me and just kind of playing 100 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.600 around with again kind of like what feels right. 101 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:39.480 Yeah, Like with. 102 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.800 King Stack, it was quite it felt quite difficult trying 103 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:48.160 to find the right image for that film because it 104 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:52.879 is such a beautiful film, but it's it's very kind 105 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:55.040 of like quiet as well at times, and it was 106 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.839 like quite difficult, like you didn't want to show too 107 00:05:57.920 --> 00:05:59.879 much because I kind of because it's like a kind 108 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:03.480 of like, yeah, it's like a ghost story. It was 109 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.680 again just kind of getting the tone rights that you 110 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:07.839 can get a feel of like what the film might 111 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.160 be without yeah, it kind of being like too like 112 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:11.959 in your face. 113 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:14.879 So yeah, it just completely depends. 114 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.759 It can either be you know, I can think of 115 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:19.879 loads of like really over the top of collages, or 116 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:21.600 it might be something a bit more simple and like 117 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:25.439 minimal that I feel might work better for the film. 118 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:26.360 Yeah. 119 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:28.839 Uh an example of that that I I mean, it 120 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.319 was completely taken by because it almost tells a story 121 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.240 by itself. You have this beautiful, minimal design for the 122 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:40.040 film another body for Utopia, and anybody that has seen 123 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:42.199 the film or even just seen the art, there's so 124 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.439 much that you can take away from what that is 125 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:49.920 telling in itself, and it feels really personal. I just bravo, 126 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:53.040 like there's so much built into that art. It's it's incredible. 127 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:54.279 Thanks. 128 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:57.959 Yeah, it was just because I love like the original 129 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:00.720 artwork as well, like the original post it is amazing, 130 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:03.879 And I didn't know whether or not maybe that would 131 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:06.240 the design end is doing for it, whether it would 132 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.399 be too simple, whether they wouldn't go for it because 133 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.720 it was really minimal. Yeah, I just felt like that 134 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.040 was like enough for the film. 135 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.160 You know that That brings up a good point that 136 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:18.480 I kind of wanted to ask about your stuff, specifically 137 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:20.879 because I've been lucky enough to work with that crocodile, 138 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.959 so I've seen some of the early stages of what 139 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.680 you're submitting as ideas behind it, and it's long before 140 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.000 it's final. It's not a complete project. It's not something 141 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.160 that you can if you've not been doing this a while, 142 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.439 you can't even visualize what it's going to be when 143 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.279 you've turned in these in a way, I guess we'll 144 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:42.399 say dailies. It's not really a good word for that. 145 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.680 But is there anybody that's ever like pushed back on 146 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:49.680 something simply because they don't have the ability to fully 147 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:51.639 picture what it's going to be when it's all done. 148 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:58.160 I'm trying to think. I'm sure it definitely has happened 149 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.720 a few times. I think I usually, like pre war like, 150 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:03.519 depending if it's like new people i'm working with, the 151 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.279 will be like these aren't completed versions. He's hopefully going 152 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:09.519 to give you like a rough idea of like what 153 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:11.959 the final concept will be. Yeah, I'm trying to think 154 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.759 of anyone's really kind of pushed back against Sometimes. You know, 155 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:16.560 if people really are like this is not the kind 156 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:18.360 of style we had in mind, I'll go back right. 157 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.639 It might end up being something completely different. But usually 158 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.000 at least there's something in one of the designs that 159 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.480 they might be, you know, gravitated towards, and then I 160 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:29.480 can kind of work from that. 161 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:33.039 There's there's one of those in the works right now 162 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.840 that people are they know they're coming, So saying this 163 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:38.559 exists is not spilling the beans or anything. But there's 164 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.919 a reprint coming for Deaf Crocodile's Bubble Bath. And I 165 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.080 saw one of the early iterations of the slipcover, I 166 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:45.320 was like, Oh, that's going to be neat. And then 167 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:47.799 I saw the final slipcover and I'm like, damn, this 168 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:53.159 is incredible. It looks gorgeous. I mean, even somebody that's 169 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:54.720 been doing this for a while, I was able to 170 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:57.120 kind of picture what doesn't even look like, but man, 171 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.919 that final is an incredible piece of art. So it's 172 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.840 it's kind of like a like a tool. You got 173 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.639 to be able to reference. Hey, i've seen what this 174 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.000 person's artwork is going to look like. I should be 175 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.279 able to glean what I think it might look like 176 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.519 at the end. So that's it's a skill almost at 177 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:17.799 that point. With what you've been doing, You've got so 178 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:24.200 many different poster styles and arts inspirations that you can 179 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.639 clearly see on your website. The amount of things that 180 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:29.919 you've worked on is huge. Are there any projects that 181 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.720 felt like this was a dream project? This was one 182 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:35.919 that I had absolutely wished that I could be a 183 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:37.360 part of and I'm so glad to have my name 184 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:38.240 associated with it. 185 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.559 Probably the still probably the biggest thing for me was 186 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:46.440 like getting to work with Peter Strickland for his teaser 187 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.440 a flex Scoremet Yeah, because I was such a huge. 188 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.600 Fan and like the whole like. 189 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.159 How I ended up even working with him was because 190 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:01.200 I had entered like a it was like a movie 191 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.919 student competition to design an alternative poster for his short 192 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:06.159 film Cole Meridian. 193 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.519 That was one I. 194 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.480 Entered it, and I think it was I jointly won 195 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:15.240 it with someone else, and then a couple of weeks 196 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:18.639 later I got an email from Peter Strickland because someone 197 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.039 had sent the design to him, and he he he 198 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.360 wanted just just like a copy that he could print out. 199 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:27.919 And then it was like, I know, maybe half a 200 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:32.200 year later, I'd think he recommended me to like his 201 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:38.960 producers to do a teaser poster, which was crazy. I 202 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.279 still can't really believe it happened. 203 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:43.480 Contest that's so cool. 204 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:50.080 Yeah, and yeah it was it was a yeah, really big. Yeah. 205 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.120 Still probably one of the biggest things I've worked on, 206 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.759 I think in terms of like, like who. 207 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:55.600 Was in the film as well. 208 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.200 Yeah, I just really loved and just playing around with 209 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:02.519 all the different options. 210 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:05.440 That one is like a big one. 211 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.559 And then I also loved working on the alternative post 212 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:14.480 of a Horde again just like getting to like kind 213 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:16.720 of work with like Lunar Caar Moon and like look 214 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.600 at all of her like visual references. I kind of 215 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.960 really like because I do love kind of like seventies 216 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.679 post design and like like British films in the seventies 217 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.360 that are a bit like odd all that kind of thing. 218 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.720 It's like my favorite kind of stuff that I just 219 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:37.000 like to watch and get inspired by. So it was 220 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.000 really lovely to work with someone who's kind of on 221 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.879 the same way with length and like understands kind of 222 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:42.519 what you're going for. 223 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.519 So that was really nice, right, And that got ended up. 224 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:50.200 Getting used as a BlueBay cover for the Like release 225 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:53.759 in the The Like released by Plumeria in the UK 226 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:55.960 as well, which was really lovely. So it's nice again 227 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.000 to see it like printed because it was just originally 228 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:00.120 digital own. 229 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.519 The Flux score may it's it's such a unique piece 230 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.159 and I mean that film pardon the pun with this, 231 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.480 I guess, but it's such a visual feast of really 232 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.480 great choice. I mean it's strickling. Everything is going to 233 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:18.159 be just masterful. And yeah, I can't imagine getting that 234 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.320 email and not pinching yourself. 235 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.799 Yeah, having like phone calls with him and being like 236 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.320 this is like so strange. 237 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:30.240 But yeah, that was amazing. 238 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.919 For those that are inspired by your work, could you 239 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:36.399 share what kind of tools you use? 240 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:36.919 Are? 241 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:38.840 What are some of the programs that you use, what 242 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.720 kind of hardware you working on it? It sounds like 243 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.279 a nerdy question, but a lot of people like to 244 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:44.080 know stuff like that. 245 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:47.679 Yeah, still kind of like mainly and mainly just using 246 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:53.000 Photoshop for most stuff. And then yeah, just like a 247 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:56.440 selection of by the textures that and things I might 248 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.600 scan in, and then I also use It's a couple 249 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:05.879 of really good websites for textures and also what else. 250 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.559 Whenever I've done I've only done a few kind of 251 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:15.240 like animated bits like I used to do. I did 252 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:17.360 a couple a couple of years ago for like ur 253 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.840 player and stuff, and I use like after effects as well, 254 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.279 and again just playing around with different textures and things. 255 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.759 Yeah, uh, this is probably a good point to bring 256 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.720 in now because Photoshop and Adobe specifically has started embracing 257 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:38.399 the use of AI and the the generative AI specifically, 258 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:41.840 where it's essentially creating something out of what you've already 259 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:44.039 put in or what they've already had into the system. 260 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:47.559 And it's controversial. There's a lot of people out there 261 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:49.240 that are fully against it. There's a lot of people 262 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.120 out there that are fully supportive of it. There's a 263 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.559 lot of people that are starting to use it in 264 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:56.720 design choices. And just first of all, how do you 265 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.399 how do you feel about the landscape of that whole 266 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:00.960 arena in twenty twenty five. 267 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.320 Yeah, like, obviously with a lot of stuff in photoshop, 268 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.519 even if it's just using to like cut it out 269 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:10.519 using AI in some form. But yeah, the whole like 270 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:15.679 generative AI thing is I kind of like the whole 271 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:17.240 thing for me is that I feel like it's it 272 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:23.919 like homogenizes everything because eventually it's not you know, actually thinking, 273 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.360 it's not coming up with new ideas, it's rehashing certain things, 274 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.639 and everyone starts using it, everything's going to end up 275 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:36.240 kind of looking the same. But I do, yeah, I 276 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:39.639 know other you know people use it to help kind 277 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:44.399 of like generate ideas and things. But yeah, at the moment, 278 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:48.240 I'm still I pretty much just don't use generatively. I 279 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:50.879 I know, obviously like AI is within certain tools that 280 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:55.039 I use, but I, yeah, I don't really use anything 281 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.519 like that at the moment because I know it obviously 282 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:02.399 affects a lot of other people that I know that 283 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.360 more illustrative work, and it's clearly affecting jobs that they 284 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.360 can get because people are just being like, I'm just 285 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.919 going to use AI to a poster quickly for my 286 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:13.360 short film or whatever. 287 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:16.600 Yeah, you did bring up a good point, which I 288 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.799 think is something that not enough people are discussing, and 289 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:25.200 that's so many are staunchly against just the I don't 290 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:26.639 even know the concept. 291 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.679 Of AI, I guess, but in not reality, Like. 292 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:31.799 If you're typing in Microsoft word and their spell check, 293 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:36.120 that literally is AI. You're already using it in tons 294 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.840 of different areas in your life. You just don't even 295 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:44.080 realize that it's like that. I think specifically, especially artists 296 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:47.159 really need to hone in on if it's generative AI 297 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:50.200 that they're against. We need to talk with proper terms 298 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.159 and spell it out, because yeah, like you said, clipping 299 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:57.960 something in photoshop technically is using a form of AI 300 00:15:58.080 --> 00:15:58.799 because of the way. 301 00:15:58.679 --> 00:15:59.799 That it identifies it. 302 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.639 Yeah, there's so many of these software companies that are 303 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:08.000 building companies on the work of others that I can 304 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.559 see that being a very difficult touch point for. 305 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:12.120 A lot of people. 306 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:17.440 So AI not the creative powerhouse that it thinks it is, 307 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:19.720 but also it does a lot that we already use 308 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:20.720 in our lives everything. 309 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:22.159 Yeah. 310 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:28.039 Yeah, there's currently a big kind of thing at the 311 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.000 moment in the UK to do with like copyright and 312 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:34.879 AI and whether or not people are still going to 313 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:41.519 be able to have control over what they have written, 314 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:46.320 whether it's like music or artwork, or whether AI will 315 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:50.639 just be able to like use it for free. Just 316 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.679 still kind of ongoing whether or not that's going to 317 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.159 be allowed hopefully hopefully not. 318 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:00.639 That was happening. That's fascinating. That's going to set a 319 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.159 big Yeah. 320 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:08.759 So there has been a lot of debate, Yeah, petitions 321 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:10.640 and things signed and like quite a lot of like 322 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:15.519 big artists and musicians against it, but still don't really 323 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.599 know whether or not the government are going to stay 324 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:20.920 on the side of like artists and their rights or 325 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:23.960 whether kind of big business will win. 326 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:24.720 Hopefully. 327 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.079 The world has not had a great track record with 328 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:32.839 all this over the last ten years. Definitely a little 329 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.319 worried about that, Brent, all of all of this film 330 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:38.799 stuff that you are now embroiled in. Have you always 331 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:40.640 been a fan of film or is that something that 332 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.400 you came to through art eventually. 333 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:48.359 I think I've always been a fan of film, But yeah, 334 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.599 I think definitely more over the last Yeah, probably would 335 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:55.359 have been maybe when I started You Need, but maybe 336 00:17:55.400 --> 00:18:01.240 I think just before is that actual lea Weirdly, when 337 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:04.440 I was in school for I think it was like 338 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:09.519 a gcs C graphic design project. I made kind of 339 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:14.599 like a Soul Baths inspired poster that really obviously at 340 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:16.079 the time I didn't know because I would have been 341 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:23.920 about like forteen or fifteen, but I kind of did 342 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:27.640 made up a film that basically sounded a bit like 343 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.799 Peeping Tom. So it was like a like a like 344 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.359 a cereal color movie that was killing people to do 345 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.960 with a camera, but I didn't know people Tom was, 346 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:39.720 you know, existed A few years later then I was like, oh, 347 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.400 I kind of like weirdly made an entire art. 348 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.440 Project about that film without knowing about it. 349 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:48.119 It's awesome. 350 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:53.960 So yeah, and then I went to You Needed. A 351 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.119 lot of like college stuff and was inspired by a 352 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:59.920 lot of all the beautiful kind of like on set 353 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.079 or like still photography that was made around like the 354 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:06.880 forties and fifties, when you know that they would using 355 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:12.480 kind of all the lovely like magazine books and film books, 356 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.160 and then yeah, we're kind of just stayed kind of 357 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.680 like interested in film. Then did a masters in graphic 358 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:27.480 design just before kind of like the pandemic happened, and 359 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.319 that's kind of like that's partially how I ended up 360 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:34.680 getting into it because my job, I was working at 361 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:38.359 a pollstyrene studio that basically made big letters and like 362 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:43.200 it glittered things for like visual merchandising, and obviously you 363 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:46.319 can't really work from home for a job like that, 364 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:49.000 so I was like stuck at home, had way more 365 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.440 time and started making more like alternative posts as while 366 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.279 I was doing this graphic design eme. And then things 367 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:02.319 started slowly, like slowly happened from there. So I ended 368 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:06.440 up doing like a poster and title design for my 369 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:11.720 friend Seline's short stagger and then yeah, I think I 370 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.640 don't I think it was just stuff I was interested in, 371 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.880 people I was following, and things like slowly kind of 372 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:26.680 built up. So it's been quite a natural progression, but like, yeah, 373 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:31.599 I don't know how to explain it following to people 374 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:35.079 and like child back and forth, and then yeah, I. 375 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:36.960 Know a lot of people to get inspired by some 376 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.400 of this work kind of you know, take it upon 377 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:40.839 themselves to wish that they could. 378 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:41.279 Get in the industry. 379 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.559 And one of the big questions is always how did 380 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:46.319 you get here? And you mentioned you know a couple 381 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:49.240 of these like a contest or your friend shorts. Is 382 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:51.559 there any any certain thing that you feel like was 383 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:55.160 a big breakthrough where suddenly, oh, like I am going 384 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:57.440 to be somebody that people can actually come to and 385 00:20:57.680 --> 00:20:58.920 I can keep getting this work. 386 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:02.279 I think. 387 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.240 I'm not sure, Like I like because I started doing 388 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:10.759 a few small bits and then I was still working 389 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.480 at the at studio, but I was kind of I 390 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:15.920 went down like part time because I was getting a 391 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:17.880 couple of jobs in here and there with the graphic 392 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:20.680 design stuff. I always thought, oh, I'll get like a 393 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.599 I guess of all serious graphic design job and like 394 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.599 the film stuff will be like occasional probably because like there, 395 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:29.200 you know, I don't know how else how am I 396 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:31.240 going to get into this. All of the big agencies 397 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.880 are based in London and I live in Cardiff, which 398 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:38.839 is you know it well, yes it's the couple of 399 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:39.799 City of Wales. 400 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:42.119 But it's it's. 401 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:43.519