Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to Everything's Political. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Taya Shoemake. You can also find us online at Everything's
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Speaker 1: the Bruce Willis of podcast producers.
Speaker 2: Nobody likes you.
Speaker 1: Everybody hates you.
Speaker 2: You gonna lose smile cough men.
Speaker 1: I love his movies. Bruce Willis was born on this
Speaker 1: day in nineteen fifty five. He is seventy years old.
Speaker 1: A fellow Pisces.
Speaker 3: Could I love him anymore?
Speaker 1: And when I think of Bruce Willis, you know, I
Speaker 1: think of others like Tom Selleck or Sam Elliott and
Speaker 1: just men that evoke awesome traits. Right, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about this today. Masculine traits are not
Speaker 1: like those men I just mentioned. It's nothing that they
Speaker 1: do in their movies, the action or the guns or
Speaker 1: the fighting or any of that. It's a quiet strength,
Speaker 1: the quiet comfortableness in one's own skin.
Speaker 3: That's what they evoke.
Speaker 1: Masculine traits are not toxic naturally now the way some
Speaker 1: men use them. Sure, you could slap that label on it,
Speaker 1: I guess, but I could say the same thing about women.
Speaker 3: Aren't we all about equity here, Joe.
Speaker 1: Or is that really just a ruse, a political ruse.
Speaker 1: That's a rhetorical question. So let's do this little tit
Speaker 1: for tat no pun intended. We could say the same
Speaker 1: thing about this toxic femininity, way too much of it
Speaker 1: running this country. And because of the imbalance we have
Speaker 1: a situation here. Western civilization is in peril on many
Speaker 1: fronts our female trade. It's toxic generally in nature.
Speaker 4: No, of course not.
Speaker 3: We need them.
Speaker 1: Society cannot survive without them. It's the way they're used
Speaker 1: that is absolutely toxic. So keep that in mind when
Speaker 1: someone says toxic masculinity bull crap, that's just feminism's ruse
Speaker 1: to keep men down and edify women. And look, that's
Speaker 1: the lie. There are several lies women bought into. And
Speaker 1: the lie is that we have to tear down our
Speaker 1: men in order to edify women. That's a lie, and
Speaker 1: we're going to get into that today with our guest.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to him about it, and
Speaker 1: hopefully he'll help us assess the imbalance of male versus
Speaker 1: female energy. Why we're not working together and supplementing we
Speaker 1: don't have to replace men with women. We can't do it.
Speaker 1: Society cannot survive without that either. So let's talk to
Speaker 1: him and Bruce take us out into this interview.
Speaker 3: Will you be.
Speaker 4: Same with us?
Speaker 3: Today is Edward Bartlett.
Speaker 1: He is the president of DAVIA, Domestic Abuse and Violence
Speaker 1: International Alliance, and ed thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: here this morning.
Speaker 2: Well, it is my pleasure to you, and yeah, I've
Speaker 2: been looking forward to our discussion.
Speaker 1: Tell us about the mission of DAVIA first.
Speaker 2: So the first piece of information here is that there
Speaker 2: have been hundreds, literally hundreds and hundreds of studies on
Speaker 2: domestic violence and who is the perpetrator, who's the victim?
Speaker 2: If I told you that those studies consistently around the
Speaker 2: world show that this is an equal opportunity problem. Men
Speaker 2: are just as likely as women to be victims of
Speaker 2: domestic violence. So our mission, the mission of the Domestic
Speaker 2: Abuse and Violence International Alliance is that I'll just be
Speaker 2: very candid with you. This has become a point in
Speaker 2: the culture wars because feminists used this issue consistently to
Speaker 2: stereotype and i'll say, vilify men as abusers. Not just
Speaker 2: in this country, this is a global problem. So the
Speaker 2: domestic use of violence International Alliance. We have one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty members member organizations and sixty sixty eight countries
Speaker 2: around the world, so we are very active. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I meant to say thirty eight countries around the world,
Speaker 2: so we're very active internationally. We also do connect with
Speaker 2: the Unitedations as well. Well.
Speaker 3: We certainly need it.
Speaker 1: This has been such a long time and just FYI,
Speaker 1: I escaped feminism by the hair of my chinny chin chin,
Speaker 1: by the grace of God. I should say, I've never
Speaker 1: understood this manic pendulum shift, and I don't know when
Speaker 1: it started. Maybe a good a question. A better question
Speaker 1: to you is when did Davia form and when did
Speaker 1: you all notice that the pendulum was shifting to the
Speaker 1: dysfunctional side.
Speaker 2: Well, we have been noticing this misrepresentation of the truth
Speaker 2: literally going back since nineteen ninety four. That's the year
Speaker 2: that the US Violence Against Women Act was enacted at
Speaker 2: the behest of our good friend Joe Biden, who was
Speaker 2: at that time was a Senator and he was the
Speaker 2: champion on the Violence Against Women Act. So obviously, just
Speaker 2: by the name itself, that tells you something about the bias,
Speaker 2: and it's created a narrative it's become a very powerful narrative.
Speaker 2: The narrative plays on people's emotions very powerfully. So Davia
Speaker 2: was established three years ago to address this problem on
Speaker 2: a global basis.
Speaker 1: So what we said in the beginning, as I intro
Speaker 1: the interview, you know, I believe there are no toxic
Speaker 1: traits from men or women, rather how we use them,
Speaker 1: and it is inequitable.
Speaker 3: I love the way you put that, because.
Speaker 1: For every time I hear, oh, that's toxic masculinity, I
Speaker 1: can say the same thing for femininity. I can say
Speaker 1: there are toxic feminine traits that are being used in
Speaker 1: that manner. And so I agree that the narrative has
Speaker 1: shaped our bias when we see a news story to
Speaker 1: put the blame on the men. And what shocks me
Speaker 1: is that there is this feminist death wish complex. Can
Speaker 1: you enlighten us a little bit about that?
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely yes, And that's actually the title of the
Speaker 2: press release we put out earlier this week. It's the
Speaker 2: full title is kill All Men, Revealing the Feminist death
Speaker 2: wish Complex. So, of course feminists present themselves as being peaceful.
Speaker 2: You know, we're promoting you know, good, only good things,
Speaker 2: you know, on and on and on. But when you
Speaker 2: begin to scratch the surface, you begin to realize it's
Speaker 2: not just that feminism is promoting an abortion on demand
Speaker 2: around the world. The problems and the concerned with feminism
Speaker 2: go much much deeper, and this is just one example
Speaker 2: of those. So the press release was designed to educate
Speaker 2: and alert people around the world that the feminist ideology
Speaker 2: for years has been saying we need to kill all men.
Speaker 2: And they don't say that in a joking or a
Speaker 2: euphemistic way. Unfortunately, they really mean it. I'll just I'll
Speaker 2: just give one example. In the United States, the former
Speaker 2: deputy editor of huff Posts, Emily McCombs. This was one
Speaker 2: of her tweets for New Year's Day resolutions. Quote cultivate
Speaker 2: female friendships number two, band together to kill all men.
Speaker 2: End quote. So you see these were exact words cropping
Speaker 2: up over and over again. And if I may, I'll
Speaker 2: give you just one more example. This is from a
Speaker 2: law professor. Her name is Mary Ann Franks. She teaches
Speaker 2: at George Washington University in Washington, d c. Quote. Get
Speaker 2: ready for this quote. Society would be better off as
Speaker 2: a whole if more women were willing to engage in
Speaker 2: justified violence against men. To that end, women's justified violence
Speaker 2: against men should be encouraged and publicized. End quote.
Speaker 3: So they would like to legalize violence.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so turned around. It's difficult to wrap
Speaker 1: my head around the proclivity. And it's really indicative of
Speaker 1: the leftist political ideology. If you don't agree with me,
Speaker 1: I have the right to violence, where we see that everywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm a classical liberal in nature, right, I go back
Speaker 1: to the founding values and principles. But this just seems
Speaker 1: to be mental illness, and I'm trying to find the
Speaker 1: origin of the narrative. Certainly the nineteen ninety four the
Speaker 1: Act that you mentioned from Joe Biden, that had a
Speaker 1: lot to do with it, but I think it starts
Speaker 1: earlier than that. So what are some of the things
Speaker 1: that we can do?
Speaker 2: Sure, first of all, I'll share with you I have
Speaker 2: that same sense of is this really happening? Is this
Speaker 2: really possible to be happening in the United States of
Speaker 2: America or elsewhere in the globe. I shared that sense
Speaker 2: of disbelief. But yes, you know, everything in this press
Speaker 2: release has been referenced to links and so forth. I
Speaker 2: think the key point to emphasize here feminism is based
Speaker 2: on neo Marxist ideology. Anybody who's read about Marxism, you
Speaker 2: know that this has been a disastrous ideology anywhere it's
Speaker 2: been implemented. It's been said that one hundred million people
Speaker 2: died at the hands of Marxist communist socialist ideology. We're
Speaker 2: talking about unparalleled social calamities, human rights disasters. Again, it's
Speaker 2: totally mind boggling. So when we realize that feminism is
Speaker 2: based on neo Marxist ideology, and I can explain why
Speaker 2: if you want to go down that road, but bottom
Speaker 2: line is, when you look at the history of Marxism
Speaker 2: in the past, you know, one hundred plus years, and
Speaker 2: you see how disastrous and harmful it's been. In a way,
Speaker 2: it is no surprise to now hear that feminists are
Speaker 2: sort of talking the same destruct using the same destructive language,
Speaker 2: devisive strategies to polarize male and female, to break up
Speaker 2: the nuclear family, on and on a ghost.
Speaker 1: I think we just answered part of the question is
Speaker 1: part of what we can do is a better education system.
Speaker 1: And boy, that's a whole other you know, topic, a
Speaker 1: big umbrella. But people don't recognize the Marxism and they
Speaker 1: don't recognize it because we're not taught Marxism in school.
Speaker 3: I was taught.
Speaker 1: I wasn't taught Marxism until college. And I think we
Speaker 1: need to start a lot earlier than that. So part
Speaker 1: of the solution is, in my opinion, could be, Hey,
Speaker 1: we need to set examples, whether it's I mean, you
Speaker 1: can start with animal Farm, that's an eighth grade book.
Speaker 1: Let's start there, and you know, and then it just
Speaker 1: keeps getting better. But so toward that end, could you
Speaker 1: inform us please on the Marxist origins of feminism.
Speaker 2: Well, certainly so. Karl Marx himself said, and these are
Speaker 2: almost exact words. The nuclear family is oppressive to women.
Speaker 2: Think about that. And so is it any surprise that
Speaker 2: feminists have been pushing, for example, the transgender agenda, have
Speaker 2: been pushing for no fault divorce, have been you know put,
Speaker 2: I mean in so many different ways almost you know,
Speaker 2: it's just an amazing way array the strategies to make
Speaker 2: marriage and the family a less and less appealing lifestyle
Speaker 2: options to too many Americans. So it's no surprise that
Speaker 2: marriage rates have fallen in the US and globally, it's
Speaker 2: no surprise that fertility rates in particular have plummeted in
Speaker 2: the last twenty thirty years in the US and internationally.
Speaker 2: I mean, you probably know the replacement rate, which is
Speaker 2: the number of children per mother or per woman you
Speaker 2: need to have to just maintain a stable population, is
Speaker 2: two point one, right, which makes sense, of course. So
Speaker 2: the United States, last I looked, we are at one
Speaker 2: point six, so we're already caught in a downward spiral.
Speaker 2: But who's talking about this fact that our civilization is
Speaker 2: kind of disappearing before our very eyes. Who's say, I mean,
Speaker 2: nobody's talking about this like it's a crisis. I think
Speaker 2: it's a crisis that you know, our numbers are disappearing
Speaker 2: before us. So this is just one outgrowth of this
Speaker 2: ideology that you know, the family is an oppressive institution
Speaker 2: to women. So I hope I haven't gone off too
Speaker 2: much on a tangent here because there's so much this
Speaker 2: is such a rich topic of discussion, But yes, this
Speaker 2: is clearly rooted in Marxist ideology. There's a book titled
Speaker 2: Read Feminism, Read Feminism, which I've read, written by a feminist.
Speaker 2: I'll add that detailed description of the history from feminism
Speaker 2: and showing how this is again based on Marxist ideology.
Speaker 3: Again I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a fairly large Italian family, and
Speaker 1: I remember being in second or third grade. The teacher
Speaker 1: went around the room and asked what everybody wanted to be?
Speaker 1: Okay and astronaut, doctor, so lots of great answers.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: She got to me and I said I want to
Speaker 1: be a mother, and the words weren't out of my mouth,
Speaker 1: and she said, well, I think we can do better
Speaker 1: than that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I didn't articulate at this at the time because I
Speaker 1: was very, very young, But in hindsight, what I was
Speaker 1: thinking is not in my family. I don't know where
Speaker 1: you came from, sweetie, but in my family, the moms
Speaker 1: are edified, and we don't have to tear down our
Speaker 1: men in order to edify women. That's the lie that
Speaker 1: is given.
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you a book. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you can see it on the camera. Yes, this
Speaker 2: is titled End to the End of Women, How smashing
Speaker 2: the patriarchy has destroyed us. This is written by a
Speaker 2: woman named Carrie Gress g r. E. S s. It's
Speaker 2: a very powerful book because she basically making the point
Speaker 2: that you just said is that feminism has driven women
Speaker 2: away from their biological and from their call it their
Speaker 2: biological and social identity to fulfill this Marxist you know,
Speaker 2: this Marxist stereotype or Marxist dream. And I think you
Speaker 2: mentioned just a couple of minutes ago about mental you know,
Speaker 2: is this mental illness? And the answer is yes, And
Speaker 2: we know that scientifically. There is actually a study done
Speaker 2: by the Pew Research Group and asked people, have you
Speaker 2: been told by a healthcare provider that you have a
Speaker 2: mental condition? All right? And ask to all ages and
Speaker 2: races and so forth. Well, guess which group had fifty
Speaker 2: six percent answered yes to that question? It was young
Speaker 2: white females. Young white females, fifty six percent answered yes
Speaker 2: to that question. Whereas if you look at all the
Speaker 2: other demographic groups, whether by conservative, by age, by sex,
Speaker 2: all the other groups were substance substantially lower than that
Speaker 2: fifty six percent. So we really need to start scratching
Speaker 2: our heads about what does it say when fifty six
Speaker 2: percent of our young female population, of course they identify
Speaker 2: as feminists. What does that say about, you know, colleges?
Speaker 2: What does that say about our society, and you know
Speaker 2: why why people seek some people have a lot of trouble,
Speaker 2: you know, having a having a thoughtful logical discussion like
Speaker 2: we're having right now.
Speaker 1: Well, that would mean you would you would have to
Speaker 1: have some level of comfort within yourself, right.
Speaker 3: I mean feminism to me, and I've.
Speaker 1: I've been on this crusade to change the definition of
Speaker 1: that term because that's what the left does so their
Speaker 1: terms are acceptable.
Speaker 3: I'm going to change the definition.
Speaker 1: Feminism to me is when a woman is fully comfortable
Speaker 1: in their own skin for everything they are and everything
Speaker 1: they're not. Right in biblical terms, and men we would
Speaker 1: call it meek, that quiet strength, that quiet confidence, and
Speaker 1: yet can step outside to defend if they need to defend,
Speaker 1: provide when they need to provide, et cetera. Right, those
Speaker 1: are those are the roles that built Western civilization. It's
Speaker 1: and guess what that's okay, And I'm sure it's in
Speaker 1: the minority. And you might know this the percentages. Some
Speaker 1: people will say, but what about all the male abusers
Speaker 1: that do use their traits in a negative way, And
Speaker 1: your numbers are saying that's really not the minority.
Speaker 3: Would that be accurate?
Speaker 2: Actually, the Centers for Disease Control, which does very good
Speaker 2: surveys on this issue. They find that actually each year
Speaker 2: there's slightly more male victims of physical domestic violence each
Speaker 2: year than female victims. So yeah, I mean scientifically, this
Speaker 2: is not an arguable point. It's just known and again
Speaker 2: not just the US, other countries as well. So we
Speaker 2: do have a mental health crisis. We do have a
Speaker 2: crisis of identity. And I ascribe a lot of this
Speaker 2: to the Marxist vision. Again, so when you and I
Speaker 2: say equality or gender equality, our thinking is equal rights, right,
Speaker 2: that's what the Fourteenth Amendment is about, equal rights. No,
Speaker 2: the Marxist thinking is uniform outcomes. When they say gender equality,
Speaker 2: the uniform outcome meaning you would have the same proportion
Speaker 2: of male and female lawmakers. Now, they never talk about
Speaker 2: male and female truck drivers, or male and female electricians,
Speaker 2: or male and female deep deep minors where you know,
Speaker 2: which are very different, a very you know, like these
Speaker 2: are often life threatening occupations. So they don't think they're
Speaker 2: not thinking of that. But again that that's the Marxist mindset.
Speaker 2: When you change the basic concept of gender equality into uniform.
Speaker 1: Outcomes, and we do that with everything because you know
Speaker 1: Marx is pervasive now, but again no one recognizes it. Interesting,
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this, and in this equation
Speaker 1: of solutions, what is your suggestion to men.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question, and I think I have
Speaker 2: a good answer for you. So I would have two
Speaker 2: points of advice, especially to your male listeners. First of all,
Speaker 2: be proud of your masculinity. That's God given, and you
Speaker 2: know that's just inherently that's something good. The second point
Speaker 2: I would I would say, is more specific to the
Speaker 2: point you're raising, is speak the truth and always speak
Speaker 2: the truth. Don't be afraid to speak the truth. So
Speaker 2: when I, for example, when we go to the United
Speaker 2: Nations and meet with missions from different countries, we always
Speaker 2: talk about the research shows domestic violence is an equal
Speaker 2: opportunity problem, and if you want, I'll show you all
Speaker 2: the studies. Okay, so we're right up front about that.
Speaker 2: We don't don't hide that. But let me if I
Speaker 2: can go beyond that. And this is just very timely
Speaker 2: because just last week we were in New York City,
Speaker 2: we released a what we believe is a historic document
Speaker 2: called the Declaration for Men in book, the New York
Speaker 2: Declaration for Men and Boys, let's call it. This is
Speaker 2: the fulfillment of the Beijing Declaration. Do you remember that
Speaker 2: Beijing Declaration that came out thirty years ago as a
Speaker 2: cornerstone of women's rights, And I've read through it and
Speaker 2: over and over again. It talks about gender equality. Right,
Speaker 2: so we know that in fact, men are lagging in
Speaker 2: twelve different areas like education, lifespan partire treatment by the
Speaker 2: legal system, homelessness, and the list goes on and on.
Speaker 2: But those issues are simply for boting. They're simply it's
Speaker 2: like they don't even exist. When you go to the
Speaker 2: United Nations or you go to a lot of different
Speaker 2: in the US, the issues are just don't exist. So
Speaker 2: we put together this is called the New York Declaration
Speaker 2: for Men and Boys, which is designed as a fulfillment
Speaker 2: of the Beijing Declaration that again talked repeatedly about gender equality.
Speaker 2: So this is the other side of gender equality that's
Speaker 2: been ignored for the past thirty years. So to answer
Speaker 2: your question a little bit more directly, we have this
Speaker 2: this declaration. It's posted on the internet again, it's called
Speaker 2: the New York Declaration for Men and Boys. It just
Speaker 2: came out last week. We're publicizing it because we think
Speaker 2: this is historic. We think is this will change the narrative.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard, you know the phrase the men
Speaker 2: have all the power oppressive patriarchy. Well, we have just
Speaker 2: shown by facts and figures, by speaking the truth, there
Speaker 2: is no sense thing as the patriarchy. I mean, if
Speaker 2: there really was a patriarchy, how is it they would
Speaker 2: allow men to be dying five years earlier than women.
Speaker 2: I mean, on and on and on. It's just nonsensical.
Speaker 2: So this is sort of our latest development to address
Speaker 2: this conundrum that we're facing.
Speaker 1: That is fantastic New York Declaration of Men and Boys.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's on. Is that on? You all have
Speaker 3: a website.
Speaker 2: We actually have a partner organization called the International Council
Speaker 2: for Men and Boys, and it's on the website of
Speaker 2: the International Council for Men and Boys.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 1: I will absolutely print that out and I'm sure I'll
Speaker 1: have occasion to read it often. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: how receptive is the UN to your efforts.
Speaker 2: Well, we have had face meetings to this point with
Speaker 2: I think twelve or fourteen missions, including countries in Africa
Speaker 2: and Europe. And I'll tell you. The most interesting was
Speaker 2: our meetings with the US Mission and the Russian mission,
Speaker 2: and we met with them, of course separate meetings, but
Speaker 2: by coincidence on the same day. They were both very
Speaker 2: receptive and really interested in what I'm telling you. Now,
Speaker 2: we told to those staffers, both the US staffers and
Speaker 2: the Russian staffers, and we were just we were I'll
Speaker 2: be honest, we were blown away by the very positive response,
Speaker 2: but from other missions as well. So you know, we've
Speaker 2: been asked to come back. And just last week we
Speaker 2: were in New York again, I told you, and we
Speaker 2: had meetings with the director of gender for a Caribbean
Speaker 2: island called Antigua and Barbuda, and they were extremely interested
Speaker 2: in what we were saying and saying, yes, we've been
Speaker 2: We've needed to have this kind of versations for a
Speaker 2: good long time.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's fantastic. I'm so grateful for you all. Well, look,
Speaker 1: society's kind of like China's policy about no girls, right
Speaker 1: we have to abort all the baby. Well they've seen
Speaker 1: consequences for that right now. This maybe has taken a
Speaker 1: little longer, but I feel like we're finally seeing the
Speaker 1: consequences of the fact that we're not just not letting
Speaker 1: men be men, right, that's bad enough. That's denying them
Speaker 1: the same rights that the feminists want. That's what's so
Speaker 1: ironic about it is that the women are doing the
Speaker 1: very thing of which they're accusing the men.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's Sawlensky on one. Whether they know that or not
Speaker 1: is a different question.
Speaker 2: Did you hear about the this is just the news
Speaker 2: yesterday the hospital in New Jersey that after an infant
Speaker 2: is delivered literally within hours, they go to the parents saying,
Speaker 2: is your infant transgender? Is? I mean, this defies credibility
Speaker 2: or believability, but this is actually happening in the New
Speaker 2: Jersey hospital. But I mentioned that now because this is
Speaker 2: the transgender agenda is designed to separate children from their
Speaker 2: own parents. And that's that's just a perfect example of
Speaker 2: trying to basically condition the parents that think, oh, well,
Speaker 2: maybe my five hour child is lesbian. Right, Really, that
Speaker 2: is the thinking.
Speaker 1: To your point, it defies logic and belief, absolutely nuts.
Speaker 1: The you know you mentioned the LGBTQ. Ironically, an ancillary
Speaker 1: effect of that is well to that book The End
Speaker 1: of Women, you know, because now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: anybody can be a woman, And I've said that about
Speaker 1: political things. But in the past, where if everybody's a Nazi,
Speaker 1: nobody's a Nazi. If everyone's a racist, nobody's right. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it does It doesn't make any sense. And
Speaker 1: so if anybody can be a woman, how degrading to
Speaker 1: a woman is that? I mean, I take such offense
Speaker 1: at that, because again we're equally different. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up there was a book by Nora Vincent,
Speaker 1: who was a lesbian who ended up going into spaces
Speaker 1: with men, right bars, conventions, et cetera. She wrote a
Speaker 1: book I can't remember the name of it, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day she came up with the
Speaker 1: conclusion that, you know what, men aren't so bad. But
Speaker 1: she went into it totally snowed and totally against men,
Speaker 1: and she's going to prove that men are just scoundrels
Speaker 1: and they're out there on the prow and all of
Speaker 1: this other stuff. And she came out at the end, Hey,
Speaker 1: men aren't so bad, but women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's always.
Speaker 1: Crazy any suggestions that as far as you know, I
Speaker 1: talk about the political penna, even the cultural pendulum, it shifts. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it never shifts to the middle or never. You know,
Speaker 1: it always seems to be one or the other extreme.
Speaker 3: What is your outlook for this?
Speaker 2: So I follow these issues not just in the US,
Speaker 2: but internationally, and I'll just mention in Britain, in the
Speaker 2: United Kingdom, I'm seeing a growing polarization of the sexes.
Speaker 2: More and more words like misogynists are being used, not
Speaker 2: just sort of in private conversations, but are being used
Speaker 2: by government officials to say, we have an epidemic of misogyny.
Speaker 2: But you read the so called report, No there's you know,
Speaker 2: there may be a couple anecdotal examples, but of course
Speaker 2: there's no widespread epidemic of misogyny. Some would say, but
Speaker 2: there isn't an epic epidemic of mass which of course
Speaker 2: is the opposite. And since this press release we were
Speaker 2: talking about a few minutes ago about kill all men,
Speaker 2: kind of suggest well, is that pretty hateful for a
Speaker 2: group of women to be advocating to kill all men?
Speaker 2: So anyway, but the point I'm trying to make is
Speaker 2: in the short term, at least in some countries, I
Speaker 2: am worried about a growing polarization and vilification of men.
Speaker 2: And I see these very hurtful, really and unfair, you know,
Speaker 2: just not scientifically based words being thrown out there as
Speaker 2: if they're the the you know, the utter truth. So
Speaker 2: I don't know about the US. I'm far more optimistic
Speaker 2: for the US, just because, as you know, DEI, diversity
Speaker 2: equity inclusion programs have been banned in the federal government.
Speaker 2: Of course, those programs are overtly discriminatory against white men,
Speaker 2: and so I think we are seeing movement in the
Speaker 2: right direction overall in the US. You may have heard
Speaker 2: jd Vance at the recent SEAPAC conference here at Washingfield
Speaker 2: and Washington, d C. He spoke us specifically two men saying,
Speaker 2: you know, young men, you know, don't be troubled by
Speaker 2: these these negative stereotypes that are being floated out there.
Speaker 2: They're not fair. And he actually said, we're looking at
Speaker 2: policy approaches to erectify this. So to answer your question,
Speaker 2: I think it depends very much on the specific country,
Speaker 2: and that's partly why we do these press releases to
Speaker 2: sort of put out the other side of the story
Speaker 2: that you know is not as widely publicized. But again,
Speaker 2: everything we say we document with citations and links URL links.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, at some point and I do, because
Speaker 1: we have freedom of expression here, freedom.
Speaker 3: Of speech, well you know all of that.
Speaker 1: The backlash I think can be more immediate between you
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 3: My listeners know this. I've been accused of being a misogynist.
Speaker 2: Oh congratulations, even as a woman, right.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's simply as a counteract to the
Speaker 1: ridiculous nature of things going on. It's just like hard
Speaker 1: to comprehend. But at some point there has to be
Speaker 1: a backlash of not just men kind of defending themselves
Speaker 1: speaking truth to your point, but women. I'm going to
Speaker 1: defend the men in my life who I love, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a great thing, and I think that
Speaker 1: can happen in this country. But I think the fact
Speaker 1: that the most malign creatures nowadays, and I think this
Speaker 1: is worldwide, is are the white males. I would contend,
Speaker 1: although I don't have figures to back this up, that
Speaker 1: second only to them would our stay at home moms.
Speaker 2: I would say, if I could put this an international perspective,
Speaker 2: I think if we were to go to Israel, we
Speaker 2: would clearly see that there is this overt hostility of
Speaker 2: between Hamas and Israelis, and and I would say it's
Speaker 2: more than hostility, it's a vert hatred. And why is that? Well,
Speaker 2: once again the Israel has been portrayed as the quote oppressors.
Speaker 2: Does that sound like a familiar Marxist term, and the
Speaker 2: and the people in hamas sort of pigeonholed as the oppressed.
Speaker 2: So once again we see this Marxist duality being uh
Speaker 2: uh promoted there in some countries, Christians are under a
Speaker 2: great deal of attack as well. But again Christians are
Speaker 2: seen as the you know, as the oppressor ideology or
Speaker 2: oppress or religion. Yeah, I know. So, so we're we're
Speaker 2: facing a global Marxist ideology around the world, and it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's all about divide and conquer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I mean the fact that Christians go into
Speaker 1: other countries and try to help, and yet they're the oppressors.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But because you know, history, the revisionist history tells us
Speaker 1: something different.
Speaker 3: They seek out the right there sought out as the
Speaker 3: bad guys.
Speaker 2: But if I can go back to this New York
Speaker 2: Declaration for Men and Boys that we released just last week,
Speaker 2: we have found that our strongest supporters are women. Okay,
Speaker 2: and well it's not just because women have you know, husbands,
Speaker 2: and brothers and sons, and so I think it goes
Speaker 2: beyond that. I think there's a sense of hey, we're
Speaker 2: all in this boat together, we sink or swim together,
Speaker 2: and we have to reach out. And actually, I'm going
Speaker 2: to read a quote for you know. We actually on
Speaker 2: our website we have a couple of quotes. This is
Speaker 2: from a woman named Lynn Crabtree who lives in England,
Speaker 2: and i'll quote we hereby express our unequivocal support for
Speaker 2: the New York Declaration for Men and Boys and it's
Speaker 2: mission to promote fairness, equity and justice for all. So
Speaker 2: and there's been other very nice quotes like that. So
Speaker 2: the point I'm making is we see this New York
Speaker 2: Declaration for Men and Boys as a building block or
Speaker 2: a bridge between the sexes because women so much identify
Speaker 2: with these principles. It is the it is the fulfillment
Speaker 2: of the Beijing Declaration, and it's and we're affirming the
Speaker 2: conceptive gender equality. We're just not going with the Marxist
Speaker 2: idea Marxist vision of what gender equality is supposed to mean.
Speaker 1: I think that's instructive just for our listeners. When you
Speaker 1: see the the narrative go oppressor and victim, you know,
Speaker 1: dive into that. Don't just believe what you hear, you know,
Speaker 1: unearth the context behind it or under it, to make
Speaker 1: sure what validity remains and what doesn't. Ed I could
Speaker 1: talk to you for three days, and I I so
Speaker 1: appreciate what you guys are doing. And I think I
Speaker 1: think more women than we know would agree with miss
Speaker 1: Crabtree because it's consistent and that's okay.
Speaker 3: In fact, that works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd say it's not only okay, I'd say,
Speaker 2: you know, viva la difidants. I mean, this is wonderful.
Speaker 2: This is this is what brings spark to life and
Speaker 2: makes life. You know, it just enriches our experience as
Speaker 2: human means.
Speaker 1: Edward Bartlett, I can't thank you enough for being with
Speaker 1: us today.
Speaker 3: It's just been such a joy and pleasure. Davia.
Speaker 1: In the the can you give us the name of
Speaker 1: the parent company again?
Speaker 2: Sure? So that it's the Domestic Abuse and Violence International Alliance, DAVIA,
Speaker 2: and our partner organization is the International Council for Men
Speaker 2: and Boys. Web address www dot Menandboys dot net.
Speaker 3: That is easy enough. We will refer to that. We'll
Speaker 3: put it on the website.
Speaker 1: And we will drive as much traffic and promotion to
Speaker 1: your cause and Dobby's cause as we possibly can.
Speaker 2: Greatly appreciate it, and I really enjoyed the conversation as well.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited that this group exists, Joe, I can't
Speaker 1: tell you because this has been brewing for a long time.
Speaker 3: I agree with him.
Speaker 1: It's a crisis, you know, in this in this culture
Speaker 1: of logical fallacy speak, where we make these sweeping generalizations
Speaker 1: that because one guy did something bad one day, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, we all men suck. That's not true, and
Speaker 1: we have done such a disservice to not just young men.
Speaker 1: That's bad enough, because again we are I say women.
Speaker 1: We they whatever the feminists are doing to the men,
Speaker 1: what they think has been done to them. Now there
Speaker 1: are outliers that everywhere. But the sweeping generalization crap has
Speaker 1: got to stop because it is a crisis. Western civilization
Speaker 1: will end when men end. You may not like it,
Speaker 1: you may wish it were different, but that's the truth.
Speaker 1: And you guys have heard me say we need to
Speaker 1: step in front of our men when they are attacked.
Speaker 1: Now I don't like that either, because I think men
Speaker 1: step up when any kind of attack occurs, but we
Speaker 1: need to help them do it, in my opinion, with
Speaker 1: the men you love, and maybe with the men that
Speaker 1: you don't, we've.
Speaker 3: Got to stop this.
Speaker 1: And it's pervasive, and to his point, it's just another
Speaker 1: step of the cultural Marxism that has fractured society, but
Speaker 1: it's ruined many a men. I mean, just look at
Speaker 1: the Daniel Penny incident, Joe. He was protecting people, which
Speaker 1: is a man's natural instinct against an aggressor. That's what
Speaker 1: a man does. Nothing wrong with that. You want to
Speaker 1: look at the circumstances, fine, but Daniel Penny was not
Speaker 1: the aggressor there. He was protecting others against an aggressor.
Speaker 1: And every woman on that train was grateful. You know
Speaker 1: what woman wasn't grateful the woman on the Pennsylvania train
Speaker 1: who was raped while men flipped out their fricking cameras
Speaker 1: and videotaped it. Because guess what, that was the start
Speaker 1: of the slippery slope? Ladies, are you going to jump
Speaker 1: into that situation. I'd like to think I would have
Speaker 1: tried something that I would have likely gotten hurt.
Speaker 3: But you know what, you.
Speaker 1: Can't just sit there and watch that so very excited
Speaker 1: for DAVIA again Domestic Abuse and Violence International Alliance, and
Speaker 1: they're recently coined New York Declaration of Men and Boys.
Speaker 3: I love it. Let's do that.
Speaker 1: Let's allow men to be who they were created to be,
Speaker 1: just like we want to be who we were created
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: Right, that's consistent. Okay, I'm going to stop there, because
Speaker 3: I would just go on forever.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you all for listening. Thank you
Speaker 1: as always to magic Man Joe Strecker. Until next time,
Speaker 1: who will stand at either hand and keep the bridge
Speaker 1: with me?
Speaker 3: Have a great day.