1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,399 Speaker 1: Have you ever been in like a really old place. Yeah, 2 00:00:02,439 --> 00:00:05,160 you know, like surrounded by these ancient stones and stuff 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,119 and felt this like sh fur, Like the air itself 4 00:00:11,439 --> 00:00:13,480 is full of echoes of the past. 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we all have that sense of wonder sometimes. 6 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:18,519 Speaker 1: Right, Well, imagine being able to actually see the past 7 00:00:18,679 --> 00:00:21,679 unfold before your eyes, not just sense it. Today, we're 8 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:24,600 diving into a story that takes that fascination with history 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,199 to like, well a whole other level. 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,359 Speaker 2: What's so interesting here is that this isn't just about 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,359 you know, digging up artifacts or reading old documents. It's 12 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:36,359 a story that combines science or maybe pseudoscience with one 13 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:39,719 of the most secretive institutions in the world, the Vatican. 14 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:43,719 Speaker 1: It is, and you brought some really fascinating stuff to 15 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:46,520 my attention about this thing called the kronavisor it's this 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,240 device that's rumored to be hidden somewhere in the Vatican archives. 17 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:51,840 And the claim is it can let you view past 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,439 events like a time machine, but without actually traveling. 19 00:00:55,119 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: Through time, right, like a window into the past. 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And look, we're not here to say whether 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,479 it's real a hoax. What we're going to do is 22 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:05,040 unpack the story look at the people involved and see 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,959 what we can make of it all. 24 00:01:06,079 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: It's like we're investigating a legend, but one with some 25 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:11,879 surprisingly credible people attached to it, right. 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,159 Speaker 1: And the setting for all of this is Vatican City, 27 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,640 which is already like this mysterious historical place. I mean, 28 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,480 you've got the Sistine Chapel, Saint Peter's Basilica, all this 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,120 incredible art and history packed into this tiny little country. 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,840 And to think that alongside all that there might be 31 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:31,439 this hidden super advanced technology. It's kind of mind blowing, 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,159 isn't it. 33 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: It really is. And at the center of this whole 34 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,920 thing are two figures, two priests whose backgrounds make the 35 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,879 story even more intriguing exactly. 36 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: Let's start with Father Pellegrino Ornetti. He was a Benedictine monk, 37 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:45,879 so that means a life of study and contemplation, right, 38 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:48,920 But he was also a scientist, a musician, he spoke 39 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 multiple languages, and he was even into things like the occult. 40 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:55,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, a real renaissance man, not someone you'd usually picture 41 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:57,719 as being involved in something so well out there. 42 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: And then you have Francois Brune, another French also highly 43 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:04,719 respected within the church, but with this real interest in 44 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,319 how science and history intersect. It's the connection between these 45 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,360 two that really gives this Cronovisor story its legs. 46 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: It does, and the way they met, according to the 47 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,319 accounts you've shared, is almost too perfect, like something out 48 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,439 of a movie. They just happened to bump into each 49 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:20,840 other on a faery in Venice. 50 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,199 Speaker 1: Seriously, it sounds like the start of a Dan Brown novel, 51 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,800 two guys crossing paths amidst the beauty and history of Venice. 52 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:30,280 And it was during that meeting that Arnetti supposedly dropped 53 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,360 this bombshell on Brune. He claimed that they had figured 54 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,080 out a way to actually see what actually happened in 55 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,800 the past. That's when he first used the word cronovisor. 56 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,159 Speaker 2: And the basic idea is so simple yet so powerful. 57 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:47,120 Imagine being able to just watch history unfold like a film, 58 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,000 without having to rely on interpretations or guesswork right. 59 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: No more assisting through old books or arguing about different 60 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,159 versions of events. You're basically getting a live feed from 61 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:00,479 the past, and Arnette claimed he had already used it 62 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,400 to see some pretty major stuff. He mentioned witnessing speeches 63 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:07,840 by Napoleon and Mussolini, which are relatively recent events. 64 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:10,879 Speaker 2: It makes you wonder how they chose what to look at. 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,719 Was a random or were there specific events they were 66 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:14,280 interested in. 67 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:17,319 Speaker 1: That's a good question. And it wasn't just recent history either. 68 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:21,479 He also talked about seeing events in ancient Rome. Apparently 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,800 he was particularly impressed by Cicero's speaking abilities. 70 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: Can you imagine to actually see Cicero delivering one of 71 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:33,199 his famous speeches, to witness the power of his oratory firsthand. 72 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would completely change our understanding of him as 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,039 a historical figure. But then things get even more well intense. 74 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,199 Urnetti also claimed to have witnessed key events from the Bible. 75 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,400 We're talking about the final days of Jesus, including the Crucifixion, 76 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:49,960 the giving of the Ten Commandments, the destruction of Sodomcgemora. 77 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,199 Speaker 2: These are events that have shaped religious belief for millennia. 78 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,759 To think that someone might have actually seen them with 79 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,120 their own eyes, it's almost incomprehensible right. 80 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: It raises so many questions about faith, history and the 81 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,599 nature of reality itself. Now, the origin story of the 82 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:09,479 Cronaviser is almost as bizarre as the claims themselves. It 83 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,199 involves Father Agostino Jemelli, a prominent figure who founded the 84 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:17,040 Catholic University of Milan, and a recording of Gregorian Chance. 85 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where the story gets a bit strange. 86 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: So supposedly Jamelli was listening to these chants and he 87 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,560 thought he could hear the voice of his dead father 88 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,279 in the recording. At first he thought it might be 89 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,160 some kind of divine message, but Ernetti, with his scientific background, 90 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:33,480 had a different explanation. 91 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: He proposed that maybe sites and sounds from the past 92 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,480 don't just disappear, but they linger in some form of energy, 93 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,360 like electromagnetic waves. 94 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:44,399 Speaker 1: Exactly like the way a sound echo fades but doesn't 95 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,360 vanish instantly. And this idea, however far fixed it might sound, 96 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,680 intrigued Jamelli enough to fund research into it. And remember 97 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,920 Jamelli was also the president of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. 98 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,279 So here you have this unexpected link between religious scholarship 99 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:03,800 and cutting edge scientific research. 100 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,639 Speaker 2: And it makes sense in a way. They were dealing 101 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:08,519 with questions of faith, of the afterlife, of the nature 102 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:11,279 of reality. It's not so strange that they might be 103 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:14,560 open to exploring new ideas, even if they seem unconventional. 104 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: Right. So Ornetti gets this funding and he assembles a 105 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,040 team of scientists to build this chronaviser. Now, he claimed 106 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,079 the team had twelve members, but he only ever publicly 107 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:25,759 named two of. 108 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,399 Speaker 2: Them, and those two names are pretty big deals in 109 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:30,079 the scientific world. Huge. 110 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,879 Speaker 1: First, there was Enrico Fermi, a Nobel Prize winning physicist 111 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:37,600 who was instrumental in developing nuclear energy. His involvement would 112 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,439 lend a lot of credibility to the project. 113 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Fermi was one of the leading minds in physics 114 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,639 at the time. He wasn't some fringe theorist. He was 115 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:45,720 a serious scientist. 116 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,759 Speaker 1: The second name was Wernher von Braun, the rocket scientist 117 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,759 who was a key figure in both the German and 118 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,199 American space programs. Again a brilliant and controversial figure, but 119 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:58,439 someone with undeniable expertise. 120 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: Right, But here's the Neither Fermi, who died before the 121 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:07,079 story became public, nor von Braun ever confirmed their involvement 122 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:07,800 in this project. 123 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a pretty significant silence, isn't it. So how 124 00:06:11,519 --> 00:06:17,040 did this chronavisor actually work? Ernetti's explanation was surprisingly straightforward. 125 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,240 He said it used antennas to pick up these residual 126 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,800 electromagnetic signals both light and sound from past events, kind. 127 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: Of like a radio receiver, but instead of tuning into 128 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,120 different frequencies across space, it was tuning into different times exactly. 129 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,439 Speaker 1: And these signals would then be processed and displayed on 130 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:37,360 a cathode ray tube like an old fashioned TV screen, 131 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,199 So you'd input the date and location and boom, you're 132 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:40,920 watching the past. 133 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: Sounds simple, but technologically it would be incredibly difficult to 134 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,040 isolate such faint signals from all the noise in the. 135 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Universe, right, like trying to hear a whisper from centuries 136 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,000 ago in the middle of a hurricane. But this is 137 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,560 where the ethical implications start to get really. 138 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: Serious, because if such a device actually worked, the potential 139 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,759 for abuse would be enormous. Yes, think about it, spying 140 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,399 on historical figures, uncovering state secrets, blackmail. 141 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: It would be chaos, the ultimate surveillance state, and that's 142 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:14,079 what Ernetti claimed led to the Cronaviser being dismantled. He 143 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,959 said they realized how dangerous it was and informed Popius the. 144 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: Twelve, which makes sense. Imagine the power the Vatican would 145 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,519 have if they could literally see into the past. It's 146 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,199 easy to see why they might want to keep such 147 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:27,120 a device secret or even destroy it. 148 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely. And the irony is that, according to Ernetti, his 149 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:33,920 conversation with Brune was the first time he had broken 150 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:36,199 his silence about the Coronaviser in years. 151 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,519 Speaker 2: So he claims. But the big question, of course is 152 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,480 where's the proof. Did Arnetti have any evidence to back 153 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:42,160 up his story? 154 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: Well, he claimed he did. He said he used the 155 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,319 cronaviser to witness a performance of a lost play from 156 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,240 ancient Rome called Theistes. The playwright was Quintus Eneus, who 157 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,319 was a really important figure in Latin literature, but most 158 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,000 of his work has been lost over time. 159 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,439 Speaker 2: A rediscovery of a complete play by eneusis would be 160 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,480 like finding a new Shakespearean play. It would be huge 161 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:06,000 for our understanding of Roman culture exactly. 162 00:08:06,399 --> 00:08:09,199 Speaker 1: And Arnetti claimed that he watched this play being performed 163 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,560 in Rome in one sixty nine BC and was able 164 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,240 to transcribe the entire thing. He even said the manuscript 165 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:18,800 still existed somewhere now. The story of the Coronaviser stayed 166 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,439 relatively quiet for a while until nineteen seventy two, when 167 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,639 an Italian magazine published an article with this dramatic headline, 168 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:30,000 A machine that photographs the past has finally been invented. 169 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: That must have caught people's attention. 170 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It brought the Chronaviser's story into the public 171 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,440 eye in a big way. And around the same time, 172 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,320 some photos started circulating that were supposedly taken by Arnette 173 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:41,120 using the device. 174 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:42,159 Speaker 2: What kind of photos. 175 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Well, one was supposedly a photo of Jesus with his disciples, 176 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,360 and another was of the crucifixion itself. 177 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,759 Speaker 2: Wow, if those photos were real, that would be well, 178 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:52,759 that would change. 179 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: Everything, it would, But it turned out they weren't real. 180 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,039 The photo of Jesus and his disciples was actually a 181 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:00,799 photo of a well known painting by a German artist, 182 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,879 and the crucifixion photo was a photo of a statue 183 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,840 by a Spanish artist. So fakes, yeah, pretty much. And 184 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:11,799 then for a while the story kind of died down again. 185 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,240 But then in two thousand and two, Francois Brune published 186 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,519 a book called The New Mystery of the Vatican where 187 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:20,080 he laid out his whole account of the Coronaviser and 188 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,279 his friendship with Thernettie. 189 00:09:21,639 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: So he was convinced it was real, Oh. 190 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. He even included what he claimed were blueprints 191 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:29,879 of the device in the book, and both Arnettie and 192 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:33,200 Brune maintained their belief in the Coronaviser until they died. 193 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,440 Ornetti even published an open letter reaffirming its existence shortly 194 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,200 before his death. 195 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: That's pretty remarkable. You'd think that if it was all 196 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,399 a hoax, one of them would have admitted it at 197 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:43,519 some point, right. 198 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, despite all the intrigue in the 199 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,159 compelling stories, there's a lot of evidence that suggests the 200 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,159 Coronaviser never actually existed. For one thing, no one else 201 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:58,080 has ever come forward to corroborate or Nettie's story, and 202 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:01,440 the two scientists he named ever confirmed their involvement. 203 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty big hole in the story. 204 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: And then there's the whole issue with the fake photos 205 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:10,279 and the manuscript of the lost play. Experts who analyzed 206 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,679 the text said it was full of inconsistencies and anachronisms, 207 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,000 meaning it used language and grammar that wouldn't have existed 208 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:17,919 in Ennius's time. 209 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: So it seems more likely that Arnetti made it up, 210 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:23,240 or at least heavily embellished it, than that he actually 211 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,360 witnessed a performance from two thousand years ago, right, And there. 212 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: Were even some rumors after Arnetti's death that he had 213 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,240 confessed to faking some of the evidence, although those rumors 214 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,480 were never confirmed. 215 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: And Brune of course denied those rumors. 216 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he insisted the coronaviser was real and suggested 217 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:41,200 that any confession by Arnetti would have been forced by 218 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,200 the Church to keep the whole thing secret. So you 219 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,799 have all these conflicting accounts and interpretations swirling around the story, 220 00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:50,480 which makes it even more fascinating but also harder to 221 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:51,399 figure out what's true. 222 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: What about the Vatican, what's their official stance on all 223 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:54,559 of this. 224 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: Well, they've always denied the existence of the Coronaviser. They 225 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,039 basically say it's a complete. 226 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: Fab which you'd expect them to say, right, yeah, But. 227 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: Then there's this weird detail that kind of contradicts that. 228 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,600 In nineteen eighty eight, the Vatican issued a decree saying 229 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:12,799 that anyone caught using a coronavisor would be excommunicated. 230 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: That's odd. Why make a rule against something that doesn't 231 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,600 exist exactly. 232 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,919 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if maybe, just maybe they know 233 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:24,080 more than they're letting on. So here we are at 234 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,919 the end of our deep dive and we're still left 235 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,720 with this big question. Was the Coronavisor real or not. 236 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: We've got these extraordinary claims, some questionable evidence, official denials, 237 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,600 and a whole lot of mystery right, and. 238 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,159 Speaker 1: It's ultimately up to you, the listener, to decide what 239 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,480 you believe. But what's so fascinating about this story is 240 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:47,120 that it touches on so many things that we as 241 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,799 humans are drawn to. The desire to understand the past, 242 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:55,360 the allure forbidden knowledge, the tension between faith and science. 243 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: And even if the Coronavisor never existed, the very idea 244 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,240 of it forces us to think about what we would 245 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:04,039 do if we had access to such a powerful technology, 246 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,840 What would we want to see? What would we do 247 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:06,639 with that knowledge? 248 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,639 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a thought provoking question, isn't it. The Coronavisor 249 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,440 story may be full of holes and inconsistencies, but it 250 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,399 continues to capture our imagination because it taps into something 251 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,000 deep within us. It makes us wonder what secrets are 252 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:20,039 hidden in the past and what it would mean to 253 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,679 have the power to unlock them. Thanks for joining us 254 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,600 on this deep dive, we hope it's given you some 255 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:25,399 things to think about.