Speaker 1: At at.
Speaker 2: If you listen to last Friday Night Show, episode five
seventy seven, you heard Chris Tucker come on and talk
about the several experiences that she's had with dog men
and something else. Well, I didn't have enough time to
ask her questions about her experiences, so I invited her
to come back. Luckily she agreed. So here we are, Chris,
thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me back as well.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know you're welcome. It's great aveny here Chris.
For any of the listeners who missed last Friday Night Show,
please tell them about yourself.
Speaker 3: I am a thirty six female. I live in Abilene, Texas,
and I have four kids. That occupation is, you know,
keeping them alive and not at each other's throat. And
I'm amateur artists, so that's what I do to keep
myself sane. And that was it.
Speaker 2: You told us about your four children that use devote
a lot of time to keeping alive. Are they all
four boys or a mix of boys and girls.
Speaker 3: I have three older boys and one girl. She's the youngest.
Speaker 2: Wow. If you have three sons and yeah, that is
a full time job. Knowing how boys are yeah, we're
a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you guys are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely are.
Speaker 3: No, I was.
Speaker 2: Now that you've done that, please give those listeners a
brief summary of these encounters that you've had.
Speaker 3: Okay. My first encounter was when I was six years
old and I was living in my hometown of Fort Stockton,
which is West Texas, very much the desert compared to Abilene,
Texas where I live, and there was the old shack.
I looked up because I was feeling watched, and I
saw two glowing blue balls that then as a child,
I thought was more of a paranormal incident, and now
with what I know now, it was eyeshine. And the
second one was I was a sixteen year old, and
this is when I moved to Abilene, Texas with my
dad and stepmother, and I was taking out the trash
at night and I observed a man with a large
dog walking down the street away from us, and when
I looked back up after dumping all the trash and
the dumpster, it was two people walking instead. And then
I had a very odd dream with the werewolf in it.
That night, I saw a very large canine looking footprint
outside of my window in the dirt the next day
and had ruled out that it wasn't are two small
dogs because they're small and we live in the city limits,
so there's no larger predator that could have produced that.
And even there were no bigger dog that I knew
of that our neighbors had that could have produced that,
I forgot to add that to the last week's show,
So that was odd. And then my vinyl encounter that
I know of was at Lake Abilene. It's a couple
of miles out of town, next to the state park,
and while I was searching for a more off the
beaten path trail that my friend and I were used
to hiking, I ended up feeling watched and heard a
very odd noise and just started to feel like I
was being hunted. And I went ahead and turned back
around to make it towards the car, and I'm pretty
sure it Mine spoke in my head and said, Lee,
get out out And once I had a reach a
clearing that I called the meadow to grab my messenger bag.
I had turned around to look at this large oak
tree and I saw a clawed hand holding on to it,
but that was all I saw, and then it like,
go of it gently and backed off and then I
ran to my car.
Speaker 2: Your other encounters were definitely frightening, but the fact that
when you had that encounter at Lake Abilene you only
saw the dog man's hand. I think that right there
is what makes that one, in my opinion, the most frightening.
Speaker 3: What do you think Definitely because I was alone and
out in the woods, and by then I had turned seventeen,
as it was mid march, you know, before stuff starts blooming,
and you know, I didn't have like a pocket knife,
as if that could do me any justice, but you know,
just giving a sense of I had no weapon, and
you know, from feeling hunted by that pack of coyotes
when I was with my brothers, that weird general I
even called it primitive instinct to lay low. Is those
are the only two times that I have felt that.
And then seeing that arm, which was pretty high off
the ground too, it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it's worse when you can't see all that much.
It's easy to think that the more you see that's
going to be more frightening, but yeah, that's not always
the case. And speaking of frightening, one of the creepiest
things that you told us about on Friday Night show.
Was at least in my opinion, was that your grandmother
used to warn you that El Lobo would get you
if you went out at night. Do you think she
was talking about dog men or normal wolves?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know because I never really pride.
And the funny thing is, last October, after my father
had passed, my brother and I we were just sharing
stories and we got to talking about our grandparents and
I had brought it up and I asked him, what
do you think she meant by that, you know? And
he said, you know, if I were to be honest,
I'm thinking like a werewolf type creature. And I was like, okay,
that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Wow, well that does narrow went down. Did you ask
them to go into more details on why they thought
instead of talking about a wolf that she might have
been talking about a werewolf creature.
Speaker 3: No, because I should probably ask my brother that because
I think when he would come over for the summers
and she warned him as well. I'm sure her or
my grandfather would have gone into more detail with him
because I'm nine years younger than him, so you know,
they wouldn't want to tell me everything because I was
a child, but with him they probably would have detailed
it more. So I think I might go ahead and
ask him, because after we were discussing that, we then
kind of branched into the subject about skinwalkers and sasquatch
and our beliefs.
Speaker 2: It'd be awfully interesting if you could ask him. It's
hard to say what he might tell you about that.
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Now you grew up there, considering all the people that
used to rub elbows with and speak with over the years,
did you ever hear anyone else outside of your family
mention at Lobo or anything to do with anything that
might have been a dog man.
Speaker 3: No. The only thing that pops into my brain was
I don't know if you or any of your listeners
remember the books Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark.
They made a movie not long ago, and I can't
remember what addition it was. But when I was little,
I remember reading it and a story that always stood
out to me and for some reason was my favorite.
That also disturbed me was the urban legend of the
Coyote Girl of Devil's River, but that had to do
with basically, think Jungle Book Mowgli. He was abandoned and
raised by the pack of wolves, and that's what happened
to her. She they think a pack of wolves ran
off with her as an infant, and cowboys would see
her and they tried to domesticate her essentially, and then
the pat came and saved her, and a couple of
years later she was spotted by a river nursing a
couple of wolf pups. So that's the only thing that
I can think of. Otherwise, it's nothing else. It's everything
I've discovered on my own, just you know, being interested
in the paranormal encryptids.
Speaker 2: When you say that she was spotted nursing some wolf pops,
are you saying that she was breastfeeding them or just
taking care of them?
Speaker 3: Breastfeeding them?
Speaker 2: Well, that's strange because a wolf can't meet with a person,
So wh't what that was all about?
Speaker 3: If that was true exactly. Yeah. I believe the legend
goes back to the late seventeen hundreds, early eighteen hundreds,
So you know, as it's passed down word of mouth,
I'm sure a lot of things were misconstrued.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say they must have been. When you had
that encounter with whatever that creature was in that shack
that night, did it give you the same vibes that
the dog men you've encountered gave you.
Speaker 3: No, actually it didn't. It was it gave me more
of a it was surprised to see me, and more
of a scared vibe. And when I was I told
after this memory suddenly like came to me, I had
to tell my husband so I wouldn't forget, and he
wouldn't forget. And this was like three months ago maybe
that I remembered this. So I told him I think
it was a baby and it was waiting until nightfall
for its mother or its father to come get it.
Because you know, if it did it in broad daylight,
you know us humans were kind of jerked. So do
it under the veil of night, you know, or they
wouldn't really be seen.
Speaker 2: Wow, if that was a baby, that makes it even
more disconcerting because can you imagine how a parent would
have been if you went into that shack with their baby.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, knowing how mamas act around their babies, especially
in the animal kingdom, I'm sure something would have hoppy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wouldn't have been good at all. And speaking
of dog Me and pupps, I can't remember the episodes
that she was featured on, but Kim is the eyewitness
who came on and told us about seeing the female
dog man or the dog woman that she affectionately named Imber. Well,
she contacted me a few days ago to let me
know that she saw Imber again and guess what, she
had two dog Me and pups with her. So, after
having a good talk with her this weekend, I asked
her if she'd be interested in coming back on to
update everyone listening about Imber and about the pups. Well,
she said she'd be happy to do that. So this
Friday night at nine pm Eastern Time eet pm Central,
she's going to come back on to do that. So
it'll be something that you definitely won't want to miss.
But having said that, let's move on now. How can
I ask you this without leading you on this asking
a leading question. When you looked into that shack and
saw those blue eyes in there, did you notice anything?
Did you notice anything unusual about them that jumped out
at you.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked that, because I had forgot to
mention they seemed to be swaying side to side. And
that's what stood out to me was they were kind
of going side to side like I'm you know, I'm
thinking of like when someone's self soothing and they kind
of rock side to side. That that's what they look like.
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, if whatever on those eyes was rocking side
to side, that's a sign of anxiety. So it just
might have been a pupp in there. How far apart
did the eyes seem to be?
Speaker 3: So probably a few inches, not too big. But you know,
when I see animals with eyeshine, that that's what it
looks like. You can tell that there's that you know,
this now or whatever that comes between them, And that
was like what it looked like. I can't exactly remember,
maybe inches, but I would say the shot was maybe
five yards away. I it was across the street, and
it was a kind of in the middle of that property.
So and then I was, you know, in my front yard,
so a couple of yards away, and you know, just
from the best I can tell, I'm probably minimum five
inches apart.
Speaker 2: Well too, I'm sure you were so shocked by seeing
them that trying to notice how far apart the eyes
were was probably last on the list of things you're
trying to do. So, yeah, that's totally understandable. And how
can I ask you this without leading either something else?
I wanted to ask you about that, but I guess
the best way for me to ask you without tipping
my hand is, even if those eyes would have been stationary,
was there anything about them that that struck you as
being odd or different or unique?
Speaker 3: Uh? They were uh, pretty large for the distance that
you know, the eyes that I were at, and they
seem to have like a glow, almost an internal glow
because the uh, the sun wasn't setting just yet, so
it was maybe probably an hour before you know, fully set.
So that's what also struck me, you know, was it
looked like there was they had their own light.
Speaker 2: Now I believe you. I believe you. Yeah, it might
have been a dog man. If it was what I'm wondering,
if it was, you would have noticed a certain quality
to those eyes. But the fact that you didn't notice
that quality tells me it must not have been what
I was wondering if it might have been. So that's
why I was asking you those questions, and that's what
I was getting at there. How good of a look
did you get at the dog man's eyes when you're
taking the trash out that night?
Speaker 3: The trash I didn't see no eyes because whatever the
person you know, and the dog men that were walking,
they were away from us, so they had their back
turned to me.
Speaker 2: At one point I thought the dog man turned around
or whatever that was that man was walking, I had
it turned and looked at you at one point.
Speaker 3: No, no it didn't. Maybe it was because I had,
you know, turned down to grab the trash and you know,
quality check. I didn't drop anything, and when I was
hitting everything in the bin and I, you know, kind
of turned back to look at them. Maybe that would
I don't know, but no, it didn't turn.
Speaker 2: Well maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 2: Do you think whatever it was that man was walking
that night just might have been what you saw inside
of the shack?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, after I told my husband,
you know, all of these encounters. He jokes that because
I didn't grab my grandparents or sound the alarm that
I see something weird in the shack, that maybe they
protect me because I protected you know, their baby. And
that might be fantastical thinking, but you know, he doesn't
know as much as I know so far about dog men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say you must not. What do you think
of the chances that the dream he had that night
wasn't just a random one, that maybe that dog man
or whatever that was had something to do with it.
Speaker 3: You know, just how things kind of lined up was
you know, it was kind of crazy to me, and
especially I've had several not several, but a few dreams
that have panned out to come true or to fruition,
the latest one being my daughter. We weren't even trying then,
you know. And then you know, with the a lot
of people believing the psychic link, and I'm kind of,
you know, leaning towards that too. I feel like maybe
something sense that I'm open to that or maybe, you know,
for lack of better words, you know, the veil for
me is thinner than other humans, and that's why it
came to me. And if it did come to me,
like say, actually in the night to leave that large
canine footprint, Who's to say it didn't enter my dreams,
you know, with its mind and do what it did.
And I'm wondering if by it and the dream scratching
my back, if it somehow in a way marked me.
I don't. I don't know. That might sound far out,
but that's something I was thinking about since we talked
last week.
Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of moving parts to this.
I mean, who's to say that that's far fetched and
there's no possibility that could be accurate. I mean, there's
so many things about all this that we just don't know.
So you just might be right about that. You talked
about how you've got these abilities where it seems like
you just might be a medium, and that the fact
that you being a medium, if you are, it seems
to open you up to things like this. How sure
are you that if you didn't have these abilities, if
you weren't a medium, that those scratches never would have
happened on your back.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, because you know, maybe if I didn't
have medium ship abilities, I wouldn't have felt that jewel
pain in my back, for you know, a couple of
minutes and there were no marks on my skin when
I woke up. And because of my ADHD, I have
a tendency to forget things so quickly, But with that
sticking out in my mind, I think, you know, because
of possibly the abilities, it's one of those things that's
a reminder that you know you do have something and
don't ignore it, versus I would have probably forgotten about
it and we wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Here, you know, Chris, it seems like in some ways
having those abilities would be really useful, but in other ways,
things like what you experienced that night make it so
that maybe it's not all that great to have those abilities.
I don't know that's true. It's hard to say. When
you found that huge pawprint outside your bedroom window later on,
did you show it to anyone? And if he did,
what do they have to say about them or about it.
Speaker 3: I believe I showed my dad, because I can't remember
if he was already outside just kind of tinkering around
in the backyard, or if he was on his way
out to tinker in the backyard. He had a workshed
and I pointed it out and he was like, oh,
that's a big a Paul and kind of went on
about his business, and I didn't really tell him about
the dream because for a while, when I would tell
them anything I saw or sensed or felt or any
of that since I was little, they chalked it up
to my imagination or that I was, you know, I
dreamt it, or just kind of off put it. But
my stepmother had had a theory and he believed me more.
Speaker 2: I'm glad at least someone believed you, Thank goodness for that.
You said the print was massive. How big would you
say it was? Though?
Speaker 3: Let's see, so I think my hand, like the my
palm with is maybe four and a half maybe five inches,
and it was bigger than my palm, so I want
to say maybe ten or up.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a big print. And that's well outside the
possibility of being left by a wolf or any known canid.
The biggest paw print that's ever been left by a wolf,
the biggest wolf is only five inches across and six
inches long. So it feel was that big or close
to us? Beigcause what you said it was, Yeah, it's
no dog, it's no wolf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we don't have have any you know, native
wolves in this area. And I don't even think, you know,
our neighborhood. If they had, you know, a wolf hybrid,
I would have remembered that because I would have wanted
to pet it.
Speaker 2: You're just like me, most likely to die from trying
to pet something you've got no business trying to touch.
Oh yeah, yeah, guilty is charged. What kind of substrate
was that print in?
Speaker 3: It was just dirt the earth It looked like before
my parents moved into that house, it was a flower
bed and it hadn't been tended to in years. And
I guess it was because it wasn't a flower bed
that could be seen, you know, so why bother. So
I guess over the years it just collected regular dirt
and dust. So that's what it was.
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, if it hadn't rained recently,
then that ground must have been pretty darn hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it wasn't so much under like it was
still kind of that area was protected from you know,
like the elements. If it rained, it wouldn't get lighted
or anything. So the dirt was still you know, kind
of loose compared to you know the rest of the
other like the rest of the even our that little
plot of land it was on, the house was on,
you know, it would get hard with you know, having
no rain and whatnot. So I think that could also
have been why it was there and very prominent, you know,
to catch my eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make sense, especially if you didn't have
any plants around it. When you had that encounter at
Lake Abilene, you were there to try to get back
in touch with nature. Do you consider dog men to
be a part of nature or something in conflict with it?
Speaker 3: I believe they are a part of nature. That they are,
you know, flesh and blood and something to be respected,
and I feel like they kind of, it seems, with
their intelligence they offer that maybe mutual respect, except for
you know, just like us humans, the unhinged crazy ones,
then that doesn't matter. The respects out the window. But
they feel very organic to me, you.
Speaker 2: Know, that's the funny thing about these guys. I'm not
really sure what to think about that. Maybe it's a
case of you've got these dogmen over here that are
flesh and blood creatures that are trying to scratch out
a living out there in the woods, and then you
have another group that are from the ether. They are
a supernatural being. So and know what to think about that.
Speaker 3: I'm there with you.
Speaker 2: But then again, there are so many things about these
guys that are hard to wrap your mind around. I mean,
what else is new? You told us about that clad
hand that you saw wrapped around that tree trunk there.
Do you think that it might have been peeking around
the other side of that tree looking at you without
you knowing it?
Speaker 3: It could have been, yeah, because you know, I never
saw the face or anything. I but you know, I
knew it wasn't holding on like like, oh, losing my balance.
It was more of a this is what led you
out of here, and I want you to know that
and please go along and be slightly traumatized. But I
think it was peeking around, and who knows that it
could have probably watched me scramble to my car and leave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably just what it did. Do you think
it wrapped its paw around that tree trunk where you
could see it do that for your benefit or for
some other reason.
Speaker 3: I think it could be for my benefit, just to
say it was picking up on my anxiety and my
thoughts of feeling like I was hunted. If it was
benefiting me, I think it was to let me know
that it was what ushered me, and I believe that
it was a sheet, and you know, she meant no
harm and even to be like, you're not crazy. It
could have been a lot of things, or it could
have just been to mess with me, because I also
feel like in a way they liked to with us
or kind of troll the human And so I mean
I would do if I was one.
Speaker 2: Also you would if you're a dog man, you terrorize people,
also not.
Speaker 3: Terrorized, maybe kind of troll them. You know, I kind
of do that if I become a ghost.
Speaker 2: Wow, gotta watch out for you. Then you play for keeps. Yeah, yeah,
i'd say you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but I'd bet pretty good
money that she put her paw around that tree or
her hand to get a response out of you, and
understandably so she did get the response that she was
looking for. Yeah, yeah, it seems like that's their favorite pastime,
is messing with us. Unfortunately I should remember this since
it hasn't been that long since we recorded that show.
But you said you think she just might have been
a female. But if I remember correctly, when you told
us last Friday night about that mind speak that you experienced.
Did you say that there wasn't really any female or
male quality to the voice?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought that's what you had said. Yeah, it
just might have been a female. It's hard to say. Yeah,
you said something on last Friday night show that threw
me for a loop, and some of the listeners apparently
you told us about the time when your son came
running up to you and told you that he had
just seen a werewolf outside. You said that you laughed
at him when he did that, But I'm wondering, why
do you do that considering the experiences he already had.
Speaker 3: Well, I apologize for that, especially for anyone who had
that impression to me and you. It was more of
the way he came in. There was a little dramatic
for him. And this happened earlier this year too, and
he is thirteen years old. So he had opened the
door suddenly. I was on the couch and slammed it
and backed up against it and was breathing heavy, and
he's like, nope, nope, I'm not doing it. There's a
werewolf outside. Nope, nope, nope. And there's not even a
full moon. And it was more of his little reaction
that made me laugh. He also has ADHD, so we're narrow, spicy.
We're on a different level than neurotypical, so he probably
would have done the same to me. But you know,
I had asked him, where are you okay? Are you sure?
And he said yes, yes, I'm not going back out there,
And I was like, all right, well, I you know,
we have trash leftover scraped from dinner that will smell
and that the kittens will try to eat, so I'll
go ahead and take it out there. And I grab
my flashlight that's kind of hat. It's not like police grade,
but almost there. It's a it's cole Balt and it's
pretty bright, and I took it out there to see.
And when I through the trash, I didn't see anything.
But I will say for our neighborhood at night and
living here almost eleven years, it felt very quiet and
it was eerie, so I'm not doubting he saw something.
And then too, he he didn't know about my encounters,
so now he does, But then he didn't. He didn't
know I've seen, or what I believe or any of that.
Speaker 2: Did you seem elated when you told him about your experiences.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it was a huge weight lifted off my shoulders.
And I could also sense that he felt like he
could be more open about any other odd experiences to
share because they already know that I'm sensitive to ghost
and the paranormal, and they're pretty open to telling me
about what they see and sense. Him and his older brothers,
So after telling them, I do feel like also that
kind of opened them up more to talk to me
if there to see something more bizarre.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you let him know that you've had
encounters with them too. Thank goodness for that, because otherwise
I can only imagine the difficulty is going to have
dealing with it. Speaking of that, how is he with
all this? Is he having trouble coming to terms with
that experience still? Or is he okay?
Speaker 3: He's okay? He uh. He hasn't brought it up, and
I'm sure if I do ask him Helpy, his first
RESPONNSE will probably be, oh, yeah, he's a very happy,
go lucky kid.
Speaker 2: Well that's great. That definitely helps. You can be happy,
go lucky, but the traumatic experience can alter you in
ways where it seems like you're still a cring baggage.
Have you got any of that off of him? That
maybe there are some underlying issues there still.
Speaker 3: No, And every once in a while I like to
kind of check in with him and his older sibling
and just be like, are you doing good? You sure?
You sure doing good? Nothing's going to come out twenty
years from now after you've seen a therapist that you
know we went wrong and no, no, you're good. And
if something has been weighing on it, I'm an impact,
so I will pick up if they're lying or if
there's something blocking it. And so far it has been
earnest from them.
Speaker 2: We've all responded to things in our lives. We wish
we could go back and respond in a different way.
I mean, Chris is human. If your little boy comes
running in and next the way that her son did,
I mean, little boys they mess around, they play around
all the time. No one can fault her for laughing
at him when he did that, because he might have
done that in a jocular way. You don't know. It's
hard to say, But what does matter is how she
responded after the fact. She made sure that he knew
that she had had her own encounters with dog men.
She's supporting him and making sure that he knows that
she cares about him. So yeah, please don't be hard
on her because she definitely doesn't deserve that. She doesn't. Well,
before we get out of here, Chris, do you have
any clothes in comments you'd like to put out there
for us?
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for what you just said today. I
really appreciate it. And closing comments, if you're struggling with
if you've seen something that you don't know or you've
been the mind likes to kind of protect itself and
you and it could have locked it away. Hopefully once
you realize if you have seen something, you do find
the courage because that took me a while to do
that too, and you know there's nothing wrong with it,
and it has helped a lot, And I hope anyone
can be able to talk about it and not be
afraid and they'll feel better because I know when I
told you that, I cried when I told like the
entire truth, h seeing the hand and the claw and it,
you know, it's blinking away, And that was because you
were the first person I told, and it was just
such a relief to tell someone and not feel judged.
So I hope that made sense.
Speaker 2: That does make sense, And I'm so glad that you
did find the courage to contact me and let me
know about those experiences. And you knew full well I'd
never laugh at you and I'd do the best I
could to help you. So yeah, I'm so glad you
did all that. I really am. You're not the only
one who was in that boat. I mean, there are
a lot of people that I speak with who they
tell me that they've been holding onto their encounters for years,
but for whatever reason, they finally decided to reach out
to me and tell me about their experiences with dog men,
and it's a huge relief. And to the man to
the woman, they all always say that they wish they
would have done it sooner instead of carrying it around
all this time and not having any relief or not
having anyone that they can share the experiences with without
being laughed at. So yeah, like I said, I'm so
glad you decided to contact me.
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, And I hope you know as people listen
and like and subscribe and even share your your podcast
out and YouTube channel, that it will reach other people.
And you know it will reach that one person that's
trying to grapple with what they saw and or they
thought they saw or felt, and once they feel comfortable,
they too can reach out to you and just it's
the networking of that. I hope it keeps growing.
Speaker 2: Well it should. There's never any pressure to contact me
to share a dog me in the counter that you've
had with me. But for anyone one who has had
an encounter that wants help, I'll always be there for you,
so please remember that. But having said that, Chris, I
can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the
details of your experiences number one last Friday, and of
course for coming back on to do this Q and
A with me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Of course, thank you so much for having me back
and asking me questions. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome and down the road. If
you ever need help again, please let me know, because
of course I'll be there for you. But having said that,
thanks again so much and have a great night.