1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:00:21,719 Speaker 1: At at. 2 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,439 Speaker 2: If you listen to last Friday Night Show, episode five 3 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,359 seventy seven, you heard Chris Tucker come on and talk 4 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,319 about the several experiences that she's had with dog men 5 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:41,079 and something else. Well, I didn't have enough time to 6 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,799 ask her questions about her experiences, so I invited her 7 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,359 to come back. Luckily she agreed. So here we are, Chris, 8 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,920 thanks so much for coming back. 9 00:01:51,959 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me back as well. 10 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,519 Speaker 2: Oh, you know you're welcome. It's great aveny here Chris. 11 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,200 For any of the listeners who missed last Friday Night Show, 12 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:03,040 please tell them about yourself. 13 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: I am a thirty six female. I live in Abilene, Texas, 14 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:17,159 and I have four kids. That occupation is, you know, 15 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,479 keeping them alive and not at each other's throat. And 16 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:24,759 I'm amateur artists, so that's what I do to keep 17 00:02:24,759 --> 00:02:27,199 myself sane. And that was it. 18 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,759 Speaker 2: You told us about your four children that use devote 19 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,919 a lot of time to keeping alive. Are they all 20 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,680 four boys or a mix of boys and girls. 21 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: I have three older boys and one girl. She's the youngest. 22 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,879 Speaker 2: Wow. If you have three sons and yeah, that is 23 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:50,319 a full time job. Knowing how boys are yeah, we're 24 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:51,080 a lot of work. 25 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you guys are. 26 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely are. 27 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: No, I was. 28 00:02:57,879 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: Now that you've done that, please give those listeners a 29 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,719 brief summary of these encounters that you've had. 30 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:09,599 Speaker 3: Okay. My first encounter was when I was six years 31 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:15,719 old and I was living in my hometown of Fort Stockton, 32 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,520 which is West Texas, very much the desert compared to Abilene, 33 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,400 Texas where I live, and there was the old shack. 34 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,560 I looked up because I was feeling watched, and I 35 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:37,080 saw two glowing blue balls that then as a child, 36 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:41,319 I thought was more of a paranormal incident, and now 37 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:47,439 with what I know now, it was eyeshine. And the 38 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:53,039 second one was I was a sixteen year old, and 39 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,560 this is when I moved to Abilene, Texas with my 40 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,879 dad and stepmother, and I was taking out the trash 41 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,240 at night and I observed a man with a large 42 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,919 dog walking down the street away from us, and when 43 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,759 I looked back up after dumping all the trash and 44 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:24,279 the dumpster, it was two people walking instead. And then 45 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,279 I had a very odd dream with the werewolf in it. 46 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,279 That night, I saw a very large canine looking footprint 47 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:38,439 outside of my window in the dirt the next day 48 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:43,920 and had ruled out that it wasn't are two small 49 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:50,920 dogs because they're small and we live in the city limits, 50 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,600 so there's no larger predator that could have produced that. 51 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,680 And even there were no bigger dog that I knew 52 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,959 of that our neighbors had that could have produced that, 53 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,519 I forgot to add that to the last week's show, 54 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:13,639 So that was odd. And then my vinyl encounter that 55 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:18,920 I know of was at Lake Abilene. It's a couple 56 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:24,040 of miles out of town, next to the state park, 57 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:30,240 and while I was searching for a more off the 58 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,720 beaten path trail that my friend and I were used 59 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:39,199 to hiking, I ended up feeling watched and heard a 60 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:44,360 very odd noise and just started to feel like I 61 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:49,959 was being hunted. And I went ahead and turned back 62 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,680 around to make it towards the car, and I'm pretty 63 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,240 sure it Mine spoke in my head and said, Lee, 64 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,000 get out out And once I had a reach a 65 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,439 clearing that I called the meadow to grab my messenger bag. 66 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:13,360 I had turned around to look at this large oak 67 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:17,399 tree and I saw a clawed hand holding on to it, 68 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:19,600 but that was all I saw, and then it like, 69 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,160 go of it gently and backed off and then I 70 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:26,160 ran to my car. 71 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:30,319 Speaker 2: Your other encounters were definitely frightening, but the fact that 72 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,279 when you had that encounter at Lake Abilene you only 73 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:36,800 saw the dog man's hand. I think that right there 74 00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:39,759 is what makes that one, in my opinion, the most frightening. 75 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,959 Speaker 3: What do you think Definitely because I was alone and 76 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:51,800 out in the woods, and by then I had turned seventeen, 77 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:58,319 as it was mid march, you know, before stuff starts blooming, 78 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,800 and you know, I didn't have like a pocket knife, 79 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:05,879 as if that could do me any justice, but you know, 80 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,279 just giving a sense of I had no weapon, and 81 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,199 you know, from feeling hunted by that pack of coyotes 82 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:23,279 when I was with my brothers, that weird general I 83 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:28,199 even called it primitive instinct to lay low. Is those 84 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,279 are the only two times that I have felt that. 85 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,319 And then seeing that arm, which was pretty high off 86 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,680 the ground too, it. 87 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:41,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it's worse when you can't see all that much. 88 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,279 It's easy to think that the more you see that's 89 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,920 going to be more frightening, but yeah, that's not always 90 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,879 the case. And speaking of frightening, one of the creepiest 91 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:53,040 things that you told us about on Friday Night show. 92 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:55,879 Was at least in my opinion, was that your grandmother 93 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,519 used to warn you that El Lobo would get you 94 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,800 if you went out at night. Do you think she 95 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,439 was talking about dog men or normal wolves? 96 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know because I never really pride. 97 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:20,199 And the funny thing is, last October, after my father 98 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,199 had passed, my brother and I we were just sharing 99 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:28,319 stories and we got to talking about our grandparents and 100 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,040 I had brought it up and I asked him, what 101 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,480 do you think she meant by that, you know? And 102 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,159 he said, you know, if I were to be honest, 103 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:44,679 I'm thinking like a werewolf type creature. And I was like, okay, 104 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,120 that makes sense. 105 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,159 Speaker 2: Wow, well that does narrow went down. Did you ask 106 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,679 them to go into more details on why they thought 107 00:08:55,879 --> 00:08:58,360 instead of talking about a wolf that she might have 108 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:00,519 been talking about a werewolf creature. 109 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: No, because I should probably ask my brother that because 110 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:13,480 I think when he would come over for the summers 111 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:17,799 and she warned him as well. I'm sure her or 112 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,120 my grandfather would have gone into more detail with him 113 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,279 because I'm nine years younger than him, so you know, 114 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,360 they wouldn't want to tell me everything because I was 115 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:31,799 a child, but with him they probably would have detailed 116 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:34,240 it more. So I think I might go ahead and 117 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,240 ask him, because after we were discussing that, we then 118 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,039 kind of branched into the subject about skinwalkers and sasquatch 119 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,320 and our beliefs. 120 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,399 Speaker 2: It'd be awfully interesting if you could ask him. It's 121 00:09:49,399 --> 00:09:51,360 hard to say what he might tell you about that. 122 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,480 If you've had a dog mean encounter, I would like 123 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:56,559 to speak with me about it, whether I'm private or 124 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,320 on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and 125 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,279 submit a report. If you've had a big foot sighting 126 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:04,639 and would like to be a guest on one of 127 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,840 my two bigfoot shows, please go to my Bigfootsighting dot com. 128 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,840 Now you grew up there, considering all the people that 129 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,240 used to rub elbows with and speak with over the years, 130 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,799 did you ever hear anyone else outside of your family 131 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,679 mention at Lobo or anything to do with anything that 132 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:23,799 might have been a dog man. 133 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: No. The only thing that pops into my brain was 134 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:34,399 I don't know if you or any of your listeners 135 00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:39,480 remember the books Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. 136 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,960 They made a movie not long ago, and I can't 137 00:10:44,039 --> 00:10:47,559 remember what addition it was. But when I was little, 138 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,279 I remember reading it and a story that always stood 139 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:55,200 out to me and for some reason was my favorite. 140 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,200 That also disturbed me was the urban legend of the 141 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,840 Coyote Girl of Devil's River, but that had to do 142 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:11,240 with basically, think Jungle Book Mowgli. He was abandoned and 143 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,840 raised by the pack of wolves, and that's what happened 144 00:11:14,879 --> 00:11:18,200 to her. She they think a pack of wolves ran 145 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:22,840 off with her as an infant, and cowboys would see 146 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:27,000 her and they tried to domesticate her essentially, and then 147 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,519 the pat came and saved her, and a couple of 148 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,679 years later she was spotted by a river nursing a 149 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,559 couple of wolf pups. So that's the only thing that 150 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,879 I can think of. Otherwise, it's nothing else. It's everything 151 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:49,039 I've discovered on my own, just you know, being interested 152 00:11:49,039 --> 00:11:51,320 in the paranormal encryptids. 153 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 2: When you say that she was spotted nursing some wolf pops, 154 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,080 are you saying that she was breastfeeding them or just 155 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:00,240 taking care of them? 156 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: Breastfeeding them? 157 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's strange because a wolf can't meet with a person, 158 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,840 So wh't what that was all about? 159 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,039 Speaker 3: If that was true exactly. Yeah. I believe the legend 160 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,240 goes back to the late seventeen hundreds, early eighteen hundreds, 161 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,840 So you know, as it's passed down word of mouth, 162 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,320 I'm sure a lot of things were misconstrued. 163 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say they must have been. When you had 164 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,200 that encounter with whatever that creature was in that shack 165 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,919 that night, did it give you the same vibes that 166 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,320 the dog men you've encountered gave you. 167 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: No, actually it didn't. It was it gave me more 168 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:49,279 of a it was surprised to see me, and more 169 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,399 of a scared vibe. And when I was I told 170 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,080 after this memory suddenly like came to me, I had 171 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,200 to tell my husband so I wouldn't forget, and he 172 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,600 wouldn't forget. And this was like three months ago maybe 173 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:11,639 that I remembered this. So I told him I think 174 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:18,960 it was a baby and it was waiting until nightfall 175 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:24,759 for its mother or its father to come get it. 176 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Because you know, if it did it in broad daylight, 177 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,759 you know us humans were kind of jerked. So do 178 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:38,200 it under the veil of night, you know, or they 179 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,480 wouldn't really be seen. 180 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,759 Speaker 2: Wow, if that was a baby, that makes it even 181 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:46,240 more disconcerting because can you imagine how a parent would 182 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,879 have been if you went into that shack with their baby. 183 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, knowing how mamas act around their babies, especially 184 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,639 in the animal kingdom, I'm sure something would have hoppy. 185 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that wouldn't have been good at all. And speaking 186 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,759 of dog Me and pupps, I can't remember the episodes 187 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:10,240 that she was featured on, but Kim is the eyewitness 188 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,320 who came on and told us about seeing the female 189 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,159 dog man or the dog woman that she affectionately named Imber. Well, 190 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:19,399 she contacted me a few days ago to let me 191 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,200 know that she saw Imber again and guess what, she 192 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:25,559 had two dog Me and pups with her. So, after 193 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,200 having a good talk with her this weekend, I asked 194 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,440 her if she'd be interested in coming back on to 195 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:34,200 update everyone listening about Imber and about the pups. Well, 196 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,600 she said she'd be happy to do that. So this 197 00:14:36,759 --> 00:14:39,840 Friday night at nine pm Eastern Time eet pm Central, 198 00:14:40,159 --> 00:14:42,679 she's going to come back on to do that. So 199 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:45,360 it'll be something that you definitely won't want to miss. 200 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:49,039 But having said that, let's move on now. How can 201 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,799 I ask you this without leading you on this asking 202 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:56,799 a leading question. When you looked into that shack and 203 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:02,039 saw those blue eyes in there, did you notice anything? 204 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,679 Did you notice anything unusual about them that jumped out 205 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:08,879 at you. 206 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked that, because I had forgot to 207 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:21,919 mention they seemed to be swaying side to side. And 208 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,759 that's what stood out to me was they were kind 209 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:29,960 of going side to side like I'm you know, I'm 210 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,600 thinking of like when someone's self soothing and they kind 211 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,600 of rock side to side. That that's what they look like. 212 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,639 Speaker 2: Huh. Well, if whatever on those eyes was rocking side 213 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:44,120 to side, that's a sign of anxiety. So it just 214 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,240 might have been a pupp in there. How far apart 215 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:47,440 did the eyes seem to be? 216 00:15:53,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: So probably a few inches, not too big. But you know, 217 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:07,039 when I see animals with eyeshine, that that's what it 218 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,960 looks like. You can tell that there's that you know, 219 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:15,240 this now or whatever that comes between them, And that 220 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:19,480 was like what it looked like. I can't exactly remember, 221 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:27,399 maybe inches, but I would say the shot was maybe 222 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:33,039 five yards away. I it was across the street, and 223 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,159 it was a kind of in the middle of that property. 224 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,480 So and then I was, you know, in my front yard, 225 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:45,799 so a couple of yards away, and you know, just 226 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,080 from the best I can tell, I'm probably minimum five 227 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,799 inches apart. 228 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: Well too, I'm sure you were so shocked by seeing 229 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,240 them that trying to notice how far apart the eyes 230 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,240 were was probably last on the list of things you're 231 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,039 trying to do. So, yeah, that's totally understandable. And how 232 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:11,000 can I ask you this without leading either something else? 233 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,920 I wanted to ask you about that, but I guess 234 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,359 the best way for me to ask you without tipping 235 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,279 my hand is, even if those eyes would have been stationary, 236 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,480 was there anything about them that that struck you as 237 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:28,400 being odd or different or unique? 238 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:37,799 Speaker 3: Uh? They were uh, pretty large for the distance that 239 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,400 you know, the eyes that I were at, and they 240 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:47,640 seem to have like a glow, almost an internal glow 241 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:54,720 because the uh, the sun wasn't setting just yet, so 242 00:17:55,079 --> 00:18:01,279 it was maybe probably an hour before you know, fully set. 243 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,400 So that's what also struck me, you know, was it 244 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,680 looked like there was they had their own light. 245 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:14,079 Speaker 2: Now I believe you. I believe you. Yeah, it might 246 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,359 have been a dog man. If it was what I'm wondering, 247 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,680 if it was, you would have noticed a certain quality 248 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,319 to those eyes. But the fact that you didn't notice 249 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,119 that quality tells me it must not have been what 250 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,880 I was wondering if it might have been. So that's 251 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,880 why I was asking you those questions, and that's what 252 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,680 I was getting at there. How good of a look 253 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,799 did you get at the dog man's eyes when you're 254 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,440 taking the trash out that night? 255 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:44,759 Speaker 3: The trash I didn't see no eyes because whatever the 256 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:49,240 person you know, and the dog men that were walking, 257 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,799 they were away from us, so they had their back 258 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:53,640 turned to me. 259 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: At one point I thought the dog man turned around 260 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,240 or whatever that was that man was walking, I had 261 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,279 it turned and looked at you at one point. 262 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: No, no it didn't. Maybe it was because I had, 263 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:14,839 you know, turned down to grab the trash and you know, 264 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,480 quality check. I didn't drop anything, and when I was 265 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:21,599 hitting everything in the bin and I, you know, kind 266 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:25,680 of turned back to look at them. Maybe that would 267 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,559 I don't know, but no, it didn't turn. 268 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: Well maybe that's a good thing. 269 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: Then. 270 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:35,039 Speaker 2: Do you think whatever it was that man was walking 271 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:37,559 that night just might have been what you saw inside 272 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:38,160 of the shack? 273 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:45,839 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, after I told my husband, 274 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,920 you know, all of these encounters. He jokes that because 275 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:56,319 I didn't grab my grandparents or sound the alarm that 276 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,960 I see something weird in the shack, that maybe they 277 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:06,559 protect me because I protected you know, their baby. And 278 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:10,039 that might be fantastical thinking, but you know, he doesn't 279 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:14,359 know as much as I know so far about dog men. 280 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say you must not. What do you think 281 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:21,720 of the chances that the dream he had that night 282 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,720 wasn't just a random one, that maybe that dog man 283 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:27,279 or whatever that was had something to do with it. 284 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: You know, just how things kind of lined up was 285 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:43,119 you know, it was kind of crazy to me, and 286 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:51,839 especially I've had several not several, but a few dreams 287 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:56,279 that have panned out to come true or to fruition, 288 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:02,000 the latest one being my daughter. We weren't even trying then, 289 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,400 you know. And then you know, with the a lot 290 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:13,000 of people believing the psychic link, and I'm kind of, 291 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:17,759 you know, leaning towards that too. I feel like maybe 292 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:22,599 something sense that I'm open to that or maybe, you know, 293 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,000 for lack of better words, you know, the veil for 294 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,119 me is thinner than other humans, and that's why it 295 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,200 came to me. And if it did come to me, 296 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,960 like say, actually in the night to leave that large 297 00:21:39,079 --> 00:21:43,519 canine footprint, Who's to say it didn't enter my dreams, 298 00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:47,640 you know, with its mind and do what it did. 299 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:53,240 And I'm wondering if by it and the dream scratching 300 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:58,599 my back, if it somehow in a way marked me. 301 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,640 I don't. I don't know. That might sound far out, 302 00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:05,759 but that's something I was thinking about since we talked 303 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:06,559 last week. 304 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of moving parts to this. 305 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,720 I mean, who's to say that that's far fetched and 306 00:22:13,319 --> 00:22:16,920 there's no possibility that could be accurate. I mean, there's 307 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,200 so many things about all this that we just don't know. 308 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:23,720 So you just might be right about that. You talked 309 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,119 about how you've got these abilities where it seems like 310 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,519 you just might be a medium, and that the fact 311 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:33,759 that you being a medium, if you are, it seems 312 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:38,079 to open you up to things like this. How sure 313 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,599 are you that if you didn't have these abilities, if 314 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:43,759 you weren't a medium, that those scratches never would have 315 00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:45,000 happened on your back. 316 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: I'm not sure, because you know, maybe if I didn't 317 00:22:55,279 --> 00:23:00,480 have medium ship abilities, I wouldn't have felt that jewel 318 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:05,200 pain in my back, for you know, a couple of 319 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,440 minutes and there were no marks on my skin when 320 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,960 I woke up. And because of my ADHD, I have 321 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,720 a tendency to forget things so quickly, But with that 322 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:21,000 sticking out in my mind, I think, you know, because 323 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,359 of possibly the abilities, it's one of those things that's 324 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,319 a reminder that you know you do have something and 325 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,400 don't ignore it, versus I would have probably forgotten about 326 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,160 it and we wouldn't be. 327 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,599 Speaker 2: Here, you know, Chris, it seems like in some ways 328 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,599 having those abilities would be really useful, but in other ways, 329 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,160 things like what you experienced that night make it so 330 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,880 that maybe it's not all that great to have those abilities. 331 00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:54,720 I don't know that's true. It's hard to say. When 332 00:23:54,759 --> 00:23:57,920 you found that huge pawprint outside your bedroom window later on, 333 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,720 did you show it to anyone? And if he did, 334 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:04,000 what do they have to say about them or about it. 335 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:12,799 Speaker 3: I believe I showed my dad, because I can't remember 336 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,160 if he was already outside just kind of tinkering around 337 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,119 in the backyard, or if he was on his way 338 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,960 out to tinker in the backyard. He had a workshed 339 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,519 and I pointed it out and he was like, oh, 340 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:33,359 that's a big a Paul and kind of went on 341 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:37,680 about his business, and I didn't really tell him about 342 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,680 the dream because for a while, when I would tell 343 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,480 them anything I saw or sensed or felt or any 344 00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:49,960 of that since I was little, they chalked it up 345 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,480 to my imagination or that I was, you know, I 346 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,839 dreamt it, or just kind of off put it. But 347 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,119 my stepmother had had a theory and he believed me more. 348 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:07,519 Speaker 2: I'm glad at least someone believed you, Thank goodness for that. 349 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,920 You said the print was massive. How big would you 350 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,759 say it was? Though? 351 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 3: Let's see, so I think my hand, like the my 352 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:28,720 palm with is maybe four and a half maybe five inches, 353 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,119 and it was bigger than my palm, so I want 354 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,680 to say maybe ten or up. 355 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a big print. And that's well outside the 356 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,079 possibility of being left by a wolf or any known canid. 357 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,920 The biggest paw print that's ever been left by a wolf, 358 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,160 the biggest wolf is only five inches across and six 359 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,240 inches long. So it feel was that big or close 360 00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:56,640 to us? Beigcause what you said it was, Yeah, it's 361 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,880 no dog, it's no wolf. 362 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, And we don't have have any you know, native 363 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:08,720 wolves in this area. And I don't even think, you know, 364 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,880 our neighborhood. If they had, you know, a wolf hybrid, 365 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,720 I would have remembered that because I would have wanted 366 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:15,880 to pet it. 367 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 2: You're just like me, most likely to die from trying 368 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,240 to pet something you've got no business trying to touch. 369 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,880 Oh yeah, yeah, guilty is charged. What kind of substrate 370 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,599 was that print in? 371 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 3: It was just dirt the earth It looked like before 372 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:42,400 my parents moved into that house, it was a flower 373 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,240 bed and it hadn't been tended to in years. And 374 00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,960 I guess it was because it wasn't a flower bed 375 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,640 that could be seen, you know, so why bother. So 376 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,279 I guess over the years it just collected regular dirt 377 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,559 and dust. So that's what it was. 378 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: So if that's the case, if it hadn't rained recently, 379 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,400 then that ground must have been pretty darn hard. 380 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it wasn't so much under like it was 381 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,839 still kind of that area was protected from you know, 382 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,599 like the elements. If it rained, it wouldn't get lighted 383 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,400 or anything. So the dirt was still you know, kind 384 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,400 of loose compared to you know the rest of the 385 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,759 other like the rest of the even our that little 386 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:36,519 plot of land it was on, the house was on, 387 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,920 you know, it would get hard with you know, having 388 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,000 no rain and whatnot. So I think that could also 389 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,000 have been why it was there and very prominent, you know, 390 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:49,839 to catch my eye. 391 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:53,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make sense, especially if you didn't have 392 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,519 any plants around it. When you had that encounter at 393 00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:58,960 Lake Abilene, you were there to try to get back 394 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,200 in touch with nature. Do you consider dog men to 395 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,519 be a part of nature or something in conflict with it? 396 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 3: I believe they are a part of nature. That they are, 397 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,599 you know, flesh and blood and something to be respected, 398 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:24,319 and I feel like they kind of, it seems, with 399 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,480 their intelligence they offer that maybe mutual respect, except for 400 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,759 you know, just like us humans, the unhinged crazy ones, 401 00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:37,960 then that doesn't matter. The respects out the window. But 402 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,920 they feel very organic to me, you. 403 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,359 Speaker 2: Know, that's the funny thing about these guys. I'm not 404 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,039 really sure what to think about that. Maybe it's a 405 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:50,119 case of you've got these dogmen over here that are 406 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,079 flesh and blood creatures that are trying to scratch out 407 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:54,759 a living out there in the woods, and then you 408 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,440 have another group that are from the ether. They are 409 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,160 a supernatural being. So and know what to think about that. 410 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: I'm there with you. 411 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: But then again, there are so many things about these 412 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,160 guys that are hard to wrap your mind around. I mean, 413 00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:12,400 what else is new? You told us about that clad 414 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,799 hand that you saw wrapped around that tree trunk there. 415 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:17,880 Do you think that it might have been peeking around 416 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,680 the other side of that tree looking at you without 417 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,960 you knowing it? 418 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,559 Speaker 3: It could have been, yeah, because you know, I never 419 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,839 saw the face or anything. I but you know, I 420 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,599 knew it wasn't holding on like like, oh, losing my balance. 421 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:40,960 It was more of a this is what led you 422 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,319 out of here, and I want you to know that 423 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:50,599 and please go along and be slightly traumatized. But I 424 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,839 think it was peeking around, and who knows that it 425 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,960 could have probably watched me scramble to my car and leave. 426 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably just what it did. Do you think 427 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,839 it wrapped its paw around that tree trunk where you 428 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,240 could see it do that for your benefit or for 429 00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:09,079 some other reason. 430 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:19,559 Speaker 3: I think it could be for my benefit, just to 431 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,759 say it was picking up on my anxiety and my 432 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,839 thoughts of feeling like I was hunted. If it was 433 00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:34,519 benefiting me, I think it was to let me know 434 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:41,400 that it was what ushered me, and I believe that 435 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,200 it was a sheet, and you know, she meant no 436 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:50,519 harm and even to be like, you're not crazy. It 437 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:54,000 could have been a lot of things, or it could 438 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,160 have just been to mess with me, because I also 439 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,559 feel like in a way they liked to with us 440 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,200 or kind of troll the human And so I mean 441 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:05,880 I would do if I was one. 442 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: Also you would if you're a dog man, you terrorize people, 443 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,000 also not. 444 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,279 Speaker 3: Terrorized, maybe kind of troll them. You know, I kind 445 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:17,400 of do that if I become a ghost. 446 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: Wow, gotta watch out for you. Then you play for keeps. Yeah, yeah, 447 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:24,920 i'd say you do. 448 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 449 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but I'd bet pretty good 450 00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:30,440 money that she put her paw around that tree or 451 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,680 her hand to get a response out of you, and 452 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,000 understandably so she did get the response that she was 453 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,680 looking for. Yeah, yeah, it seems like that's their favorite pastime, 454 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:46,640 is messing with us. Unfortunately I should remember this since 455 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,079 it hasn't been that long since we recorded that show. 456 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,519 But you said you think she just might have been 457 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,920 a female. But if I remember correctly, when you told 458 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,079 us last Friday night about that mind speak that you experienced. 459 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,319 Did you say that there wasn't really any female or 460 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,480 male quality to the voice? 461 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 3: Correct? 462 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,039 Speaker 2: Okay, I thought that's what you had said. Yeah, it 463 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:14,319 just might have been a female. It's hard to say. Yeah, 464 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960 you said something on last Friday night show that threw 465 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,519 me for a loop, and some of the listeners apparently 466 00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:22,599 you told us about the time when your son came 467 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,119 running up to you and told you that he had 468 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,000 just seen a werewolf outside. You said that you laughed 469 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,559 at him when he did that, But I'm wondering, why 470 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,400 do you do that considering the experiences he already had. 471 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:41,319 Speaker 3: Well, I apologize for that, especially for anyone who had 472 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:44,960 that impression to me and you. It was more of 473 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,480 the way he came in. There was a little dramatic 474 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:56,400 for him. And this happened earlier this year too, and 475 00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:01,640 he is thirteen years old. So he had opened the 476 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,240 door suddenly. I was on the couch and slammed it 477 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160 and backed up against it and was breathing heavy, and 478 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,319 he's like, nope, nope, I'm not doing it. There's a 479 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,319 werewolf outside. Nope, nope, nope. And there's not even a 480 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:22,400 full moon. And it was more of his little reaction 481 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:30,359 that made me laugh. He also has ADHD, so we're narrow, spicy. 482 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,880 We're on a different level than neurotypical, so he probably 483 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680 would have done the same to me. But you know, 484 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,680 I had asked him, where are you okay? Are you sure? 485 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,799 And he said yes, yes, I'm not going back out there, 486 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,240 And I was like, all right, well, I you know, 487 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:54,000 we have trash leftover scraped from dinner that will smell 488 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:58,200 and that the kittens will try to eat, so I'll 489 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,359 go ahead and take it out there. And I grab 490 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:06,559 my flashlight that's kind of hat. It's not like police grade, 491 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:11,440 but almost there. It's a it's cole Balt and it's 492 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,920 pretty bright, and I took it out there to see. 493 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,119 And when I through the trash, I didn't see anything. 494 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:24,679 But I will say for our neighborhood at night and 495 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,320 living here almost eleven years, it felt very quiet and 496 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,840 it was eerie, so I'm not doubting he saw something. 497 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:42,239 And then too, he he didn't know about my encounters, 498 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:48,719 so now he does, But then he didn't. He didn't 499 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,920 know I've seen, or what I believe or any of that. 500 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 2: Did you seem elated when you told him about your experiences. 501 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 3: Yes, and it was a huge weight lifted off my shoulders. 502 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,679 And I could also sense that he felt like he 503 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,920 could be more open about any other odd experiences to 504 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,519 share because they already know that I'm sensitive to ghost 505 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:25,880 and the paranormal, and they're pretty open to telling me 506 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,159 about what they see and sense. Him and his older brothers, 507 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,679 So after telling them, I do feel like also that 508 00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,880 kind of opened them up more to talk to me 509 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,039 if there to see something more bizarre. 510 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you let him know that you've had 511 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,559 encounters with them too. Thank goodness for that, because otherwise 512 00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,320 I can only imagine the difficulty is going to have 513 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,360 dealing with it. Speaking of that, how is he with 514 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,679 all this? Is he having trouble coming to terms with 515 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,800 that experience still? Or is he okay? 516 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,599 Speaker 3: He's okay? He uh. He hasn't brought it up, and 517 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,199 I'm sure if I do ask him Helpy, his first 518 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,000 RESPONNSE will probably be, oh, yeah, he's a very happy, 519 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:13,880 go lucky kid. 520 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,079 Speaker 2: Well that's great. That definitely helps. You can be happy, 521 00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:23,199 go lucky, but the traumatic experience can alter you in 522 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,119 ways where it seems like you're still a cring baggage. 523 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,480 Have you got any of that off of him? That 524 00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:32,559 maybe there are some underlying issues there still. 525 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 3: No, And every once in a while I like to 526 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,360 kind of check in with him and his older sibling 527 00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:46,159 and just be like, are you doing good? You sure? 528 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,800 You sure doing good? Nothing's going to come out twenty 529 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,199 years from now after you've seen a therapist that you 530 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,960 know we went wrong and no, no, you're good. And 531 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,039 if something has been weighing on it, I'm an impact, 532 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,760 so I will pick up if they're lying or if 533 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,320 there's something blocking it. And so far it has been 534 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,960 earnest from them. 535 00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,119 Speaker 2: We've all responded to things in our lives. We wish 536 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,559 we could go back and respond in a different way. 537 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,880 I mean, Chris is human. If your little boy comes 538 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,400 running in and next the way that her son did, 539 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:29,360 I mean, little boys they mess around, they play around 540 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,119 all the time. No one can fault her for laughing 541 00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,960 at him when he did that, because he might have 542 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,480 done that in a jocular way. You don't know. It's 543 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,920 hard to say, But what does matter is how she 544 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:45,440 responded after the fact. She made sure that he knew 545 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,840 that she had had her own encounters with dog men. 546 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,239 She's supporting him and making sure that he knows that 547 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,559 she cares about him. So yeah, please don't be hard 548 00:37:56,599 --> 00:38:01,199 on her because she definitely doesn't deserve that. She doesn't. Well, 549 00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:03,039 before we get out of here, Chris, do you have 550 00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:04,880 any clothes in comments you'd like to put out there 551 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,800 for us? 552 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,519 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for what you just said today. I 553 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:18,400 really appreciate it. And closing comments, if you're struggling with 554 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,400 if you've seen something that you don't know or you've 555 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,000 been the mind likes to kind of protect itself and 556 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:35,960 you and it could have locked it away. Hopefully once 557 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,480 you realize if you have seen something, you do find 558 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:42,880 the courage because that took me a while to do 559 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,440 that too, and you know there's nothing wrong with it, 560 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,360 and it has helped a lot, And I hope anyone 561 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,079 can be able to talk about it and not be 562 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:58,320 afraid and they'll feel better because I know when I 563 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,360 told you that, I cried when I told like the 564 00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:08,079 entire truth, h seeing the hand and the claw and it, 565 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,000 you know, it's blinking away, And that was because you 566 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,800 were the first person I told, and it was just 567 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,480 such a relief to tell someone and not feel judged. 568 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,280 So I hope that made sense. 569 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 2: That does make sense, And I'm so glad that you 570 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,519 did find the courage to contact me and let me 571 00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,559 know about those experiences. And you knew full well I'd 572 00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,599 never laugh at you and I'd do the best I 573 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,400 could to help you. So yeah, I'm so glad you 574 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,039 did all that. I really am. You're not the only 575 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:43,960 one who was in that boat. I mean, there are 576 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,199 a lot of people that I speak with who they 577 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,000 tell me that they've been holding onto their encounters for years, 578 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,119 but for whatever reason, they finally decided to reach out 579 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,239 to me and tell me about their experiences with dog men, 580 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,639 and it's a huge relief. And to the man to 581 00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:01,440 the woman, they all always say that they wish they 582 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,239 would have done it sooner instead of carrying it around 583 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,599 all this time and not having any relief or not 584 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:11,199 having anyone that they can share the experiences with without 585 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,199 being laughed at. So yeah, like I said, I'm so 586 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,840 glad you decided to contact me. 587 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, And I hope you know as people listen 588 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,360 and like and subscribe and even share your your podcast 589 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,920 out and YouTube channel, that it will reach other people. 590 00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:36,000 And you know it will reach that one person that's 591 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:40,239 trying to grapple with what they saw and or they 592 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,199 thought they saw or felt, and once they feel comfortable, 593 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:48,280 they too can reach out to you and just it's 594 00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:52,519 the networking of that. I hope it keeps growing. 595 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 2: Well it should. There's never any pressure to contact me 596 00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,239 to share a dog me in the counter that you've 597 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719 had with me. But for anyone one who has had 598 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,480 an encounter that wants help, I'll always be there for you, 599 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,559 so please remember that. But having said that, Chris, I 600 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,440 can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the 601 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,920 details of your experiences number one last Friday, and of 602 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,039 course for coming back on to do this Q and 603 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:16,719 A with me. I appreciate it. 604 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 3: Of course, thank you so much for having me back 605 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,360 and asking me questions. I really appreciate that. 606 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome and down the road. If 607 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,159 you ever need help again, please let me know, because 608 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,679 of course I'll be there for you. But having said that, 609 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:59,000 thanks again so much and have a great night.