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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to my channel Vice Rhino. Here today

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at a video on Greg Cochal's channel Stand

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<v Speaker 2>to Reason. In this one, he's answering a listener question

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<v Speaker 2>about how he knows that the Bible is true and

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<v Speaker 2>not some other religious text. This is something that I've

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<v Speaker 2>often wondered myself, and in my experience, apologists mostly just

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<v Speaker 2>avoid this question, but when they do address it, it

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<v Speaker 2>is often in one of two ways. Either they will

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<v Speaker 2>get hyper focused on debunking one single non Christian religion,

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<v Speaker 2>usually Islam. See David Wood and Michael Jones for examples

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<v Speaker 2>of that. And the other is to pick some arbitrary

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<v Speaker 2>attribute that the Christian God has that the gods of

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<v Speaker 2>other religions don't, and then decide that a god has

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<v Speaker 2>to have that attribute in order to exist. This can

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<v Speaker 2>be many things, wanting a personal relationship with human beings,

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<v Speaker 2>providing blanket salvation for original sin, the supposed unity of

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<v Speaker 2>the message of scriptures written by dozens of people spanning

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of years, stuff like that. So let's see how

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<v Speaker 2>Greg handles it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this question comes from Niggle.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna throw this out there. That person should

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<v Speaker 2>change their screen name. At least I hope that's the

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<v Speaker 2>screen name. If it's a real name, then they should

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<v Speaker 2>either change that or go by their middle name or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that etymologically speaking, it's not related to the

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<v Speaker 2>word that I'm sure everybody thought of when they first

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<v Speaker 2>heard it. But like the fact that I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>need to tell you what that word is and you

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly what I'm talking about, even if you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think of it immediately yourself, shows that changing it would

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<v Speaker 2>be a good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>A friend asked why he should pay any heed to

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible, saying it's just one of many ancient holy books.

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<v Speaker 3>How can I trust it is special?

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<v Speaker 2>I go a bit further than that. It's not just

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<v Speaker 2>that it's one of many ancient holy books. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>that it has written just like any other holy book

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<v Speaker 2>with mistakes and contradictions and plot contrivances and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing that really sets it apart in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that speaks to its veracity.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this to me is similar when people ask the

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<v Speaker 4>question there were three hundred gods. You look at all

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<v Speaker 4>the religion and what makes you think yours is the

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<v Speaker 4>right god? There are all these holy books? What makes

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<v Speaker 4>you think yours is the right book?

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<v Speaker 2>Correct? We are looking for you to explain not only

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<v Speaker 2>why you believe what you believe, but also how you

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<v Speaker 2>ruled out all the other religions.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, there's not all these holy books.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about, greg, There's the Quran, the Vedas,

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<v Speaker 2>the Upanishads, the Patakas, the Sutras, the Talmud, the Mishnah.

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<v Speaker 2>And that isn't even an exhaustive list of the sacred

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<v Speaker 2>texts of religions that are still widely practiced today. If

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<v Speaker 2>we open the doors to ancient religions, then there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole ass Wikipedia list going over the texts of all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of religions, from the ancient Egyptian ones to the

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<v Speaker 2>Etruscans to the pre Columbian Americas and everything in between.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Greg's way of making the Christian text seem

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<v Speaker 2>special is by ignoring the very existence of all the

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<v Speaker 2>sacred texts of every other religion to have ever existed.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, I had a conversation with Wes Huff a

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<v Speaker 4>couple months ago on this question. Do ancient Nerisium religions

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<v Speaker 4>each have their own revealed scripture?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, no, Ah, So the thing that you're latching

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<v Speaker 2>onto that makes Christianity special is that its scripture was

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<v Speaker 2>revealed by God and that it took place in the

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<v Speaker 2>ancient Near East for some reason. But if we ignore

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<v Speaker 2>the weird region lock that He's putting on this for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, then that means that at the very least,

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<v Speaker 2>Islam and Hinduism are also special. The Quran is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be a direct revelation from Allah, and the Vedas

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<v Speaker 2>are thought by Hindus to be the result of God

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<v Speaker 2>providing supernatural wisdom to the scholars that wrote them. Side note,

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<v Speaker 2>Hindus actually have a polytheism that could technically be monotheism

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<v Speaker 2>depending on how you look at it. Thing going on

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<v Speaker 2>that is kind of similar to the Christian God, Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>and the Holy Ghost are three independent individuals who are

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<v Speaker 2>also all God. But also there's only one God and

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<v Speaker 2>he is all three of them thing. So in Hinduism,

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<v Speaker 2>Brahman is God, infinite and all encompassing. Different aspects of

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<v Speaker 2>divine truth are represented by the God's lowercase G that

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<v Speaker 2>manifests from Brahman. But back on topic, all this amounts

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<v Speaker 2>to is you saying I think that if there is

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<v Speaker 2>a true religion, then the God of that religion would

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<v Speaker 2>have provided direct revelation of some kind, which ultimately says

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<v Speaker 2>that you are taking your idea of what you think

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<v Speaker 2>God should be and using that to determine which religion

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<v Speaker 2>is correct, which comes pretty damn close to what I've

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<v Speaker 2>been accused of doing when I say that God should

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<v Speaker 2>reveal himself to everyone in order to end the debate

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<v Speaker 2>about his existence once and for all. God doesn't need

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<v Speaker 2>to conform to my ideas of what he should do.

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<v Speaker 2>He's God. I'm just a lowly human. Well, maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>real God is the Hindu idea of Brahman and Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>was merely provided as a way for people of Greg's

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<v Speaker 2>temperament to be able to worship the real God. Each

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<v Speaker 2>religion's gods are just like rays of the Sun. After all,

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<v Speaker 2>they are not the whole Sun in and of themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>but they share in origin, and if you trace their

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<v Speaker 2>path backward, they will take you back to the real God.

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<v Speaker 1>Brahmin.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, that makes a lot more sense to me than

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<v Speaker 2>the petty asshole that is the Christian God. Inasmuch as

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<v Speaker 2>an infinite being would actually care about us worshiping it,

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<v Speaker 2>why would it care what path we take to get there?

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<v Speaker 2>Would it not make sense to provide different paths to

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<v Speaker 2>cater to different people's needs and temperaments, And why would

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<v Speaker 2>such a being feel the need to infinitely torture people

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<v Speaker 2>for using the wrong path? Greg, you're selling me on

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<v Speaker 2>Hinduism here.

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<v Speaker 4>There are sometimes there are. He used a special word,

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<v Speaker 4>but like prophets or seers that will make proclamations, But

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<v Speaker 4>there's no delivered scripture of their God revealing himself to

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<v Speaker 4>people in any any particular way. So characteristically this is

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<v Speaker 4>not true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there are non Christian religions with revealed scripture. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just wrong here. I mean, maybe he's just ignorant. I

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<v Speaker 2>could see it being a case of him just never

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<v Speaker 2>having bothered looking into it and so trusting other Christian

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<v Speaker 2>apologists when they say stuff like that. But Christian apologists

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<v Speaker 2>are a deceitful bunch. You would do well not to

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<v Speaker 2>trust them. To that end, I'm not sure that I

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<v Speaker 2>trust that Greg is actually just ignorant, given that it's

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<v Speaker 2>literally his job to note like this. If he's not lying,

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<v Speaker 2>he is massively incompetent.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you have the Koran. The Koran is written in

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<v Speaker 4>a seventh century after Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>So the New Testament was written in the first century,

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<v Speaker 2>more than a thousand years after the Rigveda. If older

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<v Speaker 2>means true, then Hinduism wins again because the Rigveda is

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<v Speaker 2>older than even the oldest book of the Old Testament.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, so seventh and eighth I guess. So you

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<v Speaker 4>you know it's not really contemporaneous.

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<v Speaker 2>Contemporaneous with what Jesus is. One of your qualifications for

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<v Speaker 2>something being an actual holy book revealed by God that

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<v Speaker 2>it had to have been written close to the life

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus, because then you can throw out most of

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<v Speaker 2>the Old Testament as well. I mean, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 2>surprised that you landed on Christianity if one of your

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<v Speaker 2>requirements for something to be a legitimate holy book is

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<v Speaker 2>that it had to have been written sometime close to

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<v Speaker 2>when Jesus lived. It's not exactly a coincidence that most

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<v Speaker 2>of the jesus Centric books were written closer to the

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<v Speaker 2>time of Jesus than most of the non jesus Centric books,

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<v Speaker 2>but I could just as easily flip this around. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>the Quran is the real book of scripture because it

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<v Speaker 2>was written closer to the time of Mohammad than any

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<v Speaker 2>other holy book.

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<v Speaker 4>So the Bible is unique here. The Hebrew and the

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<v Speaker 4>Christian scriptures are unique in this regard. There are some

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<v Speaker 4>other things that were there, But it isn't like everybody's

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<v Speaker 4>got their book.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody does have their book. Some religions just don't pretend

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<v Speaker 2>that their book is absolutely infallible, which again is another

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<v Speaker 2>mark in their favor, as the Bible is quite clearly

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<v Speaker 2>not infallible, even though Christians say it is.

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<v Speaker 4>But we're back to this broader question. You've got a

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<v Speaker 4>multiplicity of options, why choose one over the other? And

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<v Speaker 4>the answer is very simple, the reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we figured you had reasons. What you are supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing here in this video defending your faith

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<v Speaker 2>is explaining those reasons. Saying the reasons doesn't actually do that.

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<v Speaker 4>The reasons take three hundred gods, I have no reason

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<v Speaker 4>to think any of those gods are real, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Have no reason to think that your God is real.

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<v Speaker 2>And this question was supposed to get you to explain

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<v Speaker 2>why your God should be given more consideration than those

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<v Speaker 2>other gods, which you dismiss offhand. And if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel the need to explain that, then why should I

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<v Speaker 2>feel the need to explain why I don't believe in

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<v Speaker 2>the Christian God?

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<v Speaker 4>And they all seem to be very much like the

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<v Speaker 4>human beings who worship them, and just as immoral.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, you worship a God who, if the Bible is

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<v Speaker 2>to be believed, both commanded and committed genocide. You worship

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<v Speaker 2>a god who condone slavery. You worship a God who

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<v Speaker 2>tortured a guy to win a bet with Satan. You

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<v Speaker 2>worship a God who describes himself as so jealous that

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<v Speaker 2>his very name is jealous. In the Exodus story, after

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<v Speaker 2>your God freed the Hebrews from slavery, the Hebrews wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to give thanks to the God that saved them, but

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't know who he was or what his rules were,

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<v Speaker 2>because he hadn't rever that to them. Yet so they

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<v Speaker 2>attempted to give thanks by building a golden calf. This

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to show their gratitude so angered him that he

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<v Speaker 2>had to be talked down from murdering them all on

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<v Speaker 2>the spot. Jesus was racist, calling gentiles dogs, and only

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<v Speaker 2>begrudgingly healing a gentile woman's child, with the act being

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<v Speaker 2>described as the dog eating the scraps from the table.

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<v Speaker 2>I could keep going. The God of the Bible is

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<v Speaker 2>a petulant, spoiled child on a power trip. Just because

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<v Speaker 2>you refuse to see it doesn't mean it's not there.

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<v Speaker 4>The God of the Bible is very different. He's not

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of god that you would invent, all right, probably.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet one of the most common defenses of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the Bible, and by extension, the God of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible, condoned slavery is the fact that slavery was

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<v Speaker 2>just a commonplace institution in the culture at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So either significant cultural change was impossible for a supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>omnipotent being, or else it looks very much like this

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<v Speaker 2>being was invented by people that were part of that culture.

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<v Speaker 4>So, and one has to look, is there any good

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<v Speaker 4>reason to believe one option over the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately, that question is what made me an atheist rather

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<v Speaker 2>When I left Christianity, I took a look at the

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<v Speaker 2>the same problems as Christianity. I have yet to see

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<v Speaker 4>Look, if somebody goes in he's got a pain, goes

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<v Speaker 4>to the doctor, you have a bunch of doctors look

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<v Speaker 4>at him, okay, and you have all different ideas about

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<v Speaker 4>is the accurate diagnosis. He's got to think about the

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in most cases, the doctors would all likely agree

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about persuasion, it's about knowledge. The doctors don't

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<v Speaker 2>be several potential diagnoses which are then ruled out, not

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<v Speaker 2>but based on probability. Problem X happens more frequently in

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<v Speaker 2>someone in your demographic than problem why, so we will

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<v Speaker 2>about him. You do, You're willing to spend so much

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<v Speaker 2>more time with him, So come and buy the ivermectin.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll cure what ails you. No matter what what ails

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<v Speaker 2>you might be, does you being more persuasive or charismatic

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<v Speaker 2>make the ivermectin a good treatment for a broken leg?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's your argument for choosing a religion. As far

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<v Speaker 2>as I can see.

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<v Speaker 4>We go through this process all the time of trying

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<v Speaker 2>And what I did that with regards to religion, I

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<v Speaker 3>So so can you briefly say what those six things are?

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<v Speaker 4>Just in well, it has that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Skipped it, but just for context, the six things that

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<v Speaker 2>she's asking him about are the six evidences that show

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<v Speaker 2>that the Bible has supernatural fingerprints. His words, not mine,

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<v Speaker 2>but he seemed like he was just going to say

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<v Speaker 2>there's six reasons without actually elaborating as to what those

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<v Speaker 2>reasons are. So I'm glad she asked him that.

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<v Speaker 4>The Fulfilled Prophecy it does not have fulfilled prophecy.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a list of over three hundred supposed prophecies,

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<v Speaker 2>most of which, in my experience, weren't actually written as

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<v Speaker 2>prophecies originally, and all of which, in my experience, are

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<v Speaker 2>either too vague to be useful or else the authors

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<v Speaker 2>of the books detailing the events that fulfill them left

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<v Speaker 2>clues that indicate that they were actively looking for prophecies

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<v Speaker 2>to fulfill when writing their stories. As an example, let's

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<v Speaker 2>go through the ritual that I usually reserve, specifically for

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<v Speaker 2>when someone mentions the three hundred prophecies, Roll the dice

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<v Speaker 2>and see how prophetic it is. I got a ninety

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<v Speaker 2>one this time, and number ninety one is Psalm twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two to twenty two, and this verse is supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be a prophecy of Jesus resurrection being declared. Before I

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<v Speaker 2>get into it, though, I would just like to point

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<v Speaker 2>out a little bit of what appears to be list

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<v Speaker 2>patting going on. This list contains eighteen prophecies that all

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<v Speaker 2>come from Psalm twenty two, many of which involve duplicate

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<v Speaker 2>or overlapping verses. I would argue that with so many

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<v Speaker 2>prophecies so close together, it would be more appropriate to

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<v Speaker 2>treat this entire Psalm as one single prophecy. But no

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<v Speaker 2>matter twenty two to twenty two is predicting that Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>resurrection would be declared. It reads quote, I will tell

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<v Speaker 2>of your name to my brothers in the midst of

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<v Speaker 2>the congregation, I will praise you. I really don't see

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<v Speaker 2>how you get from that to proclaiming a specific person's

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<v Speaker 2>resurrection in the future. This is essentially just the author

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<v Speaker 2>saying I'm gonna go to church sometime in the midst

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<v Speaker 2>of the congregation, I will worship God. Yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you do when you're in the congregation, because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>those words mean. See what I mean though, Like, this

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do this thing later. And this thing has nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with a resurrection.

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<v Speaker 4>It has an amazing unity from Genesis to revel in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how a book so riddled with contradictions

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<v Speaker 2>could be said to have a unity, especially given that

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<v Speaker 2>some ofhow we determine authorship is by finding points of disunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes this is within a single text, as with the

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<v Speaker 2>books of the Pentituke. Sometimes it's when comparing text, as

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<v Speaker 2>with the writings of Paul and the pseudo Apigrifha.

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<v Speaker 4>It has definite, profound insight into the big issues, the

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<v Speaker 4>big questions.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the go to examples for apologists of the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible being profound or insightful is the Golden Rule, something

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<v Speaker 2>which could be found in most religions, many of which

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<v Speaker 2>predate Christianity. But this also ties into what I said

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<v Speaker 2>about slavery. Earlier. Apologists often defend slavery in the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>by talking about how it was just a normal part

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<v Speaker 2>of the culture, so God put regulations on it to

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<v Speaker 2>stop it from being too bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Back then, everybody had slaves. The whole world had slaves.

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<v Speaker 4>You either a slave or a slave, basically. Well, I

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<v Speaker 4>guess there might have been a middle class, but not

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<v Speaker 4>much one. But so what God does in the law

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<v Speaker 4>is he regulates it to minimize the negative impact.

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<v Speaker 2>But and hear me out here, would completely outlying slavery

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<v Speaker 2>in a society that considered it normal not be a

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<v Speaker 2>powerful example of something profound or insightful. I still don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it would rise to the level of supernatural, but

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<v Speaker 2>at least then it wouldn't directly contradict your point here.

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<v Speaker 4>That have to do with maybe the existential elements. Who

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<v Speaker 4>are we, where we're going? Why are we important? Is

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<v Speaker 4>there a God? Is there morality? Whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>All religions deal with those questions. They just don't all

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<v Speaker 2>have the same answer. So you picked the one with

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<v Speaker 2>the answer that you.

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<v Speaker 4>Like best, and then it answers those questions in a

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<v Speaker 4>way that resonates with our deepest intuitions about the way

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<v Speaker 4>the world is. Seems to fit. Okay, that's the third one.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it resonates with your deepest intuitions, But given that

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity is losing members to religious switching faster than any

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<v Speaker 2>religion on the planet, then I'd go so far as

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<v Speaker 2>to say that this is not a universal experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Fourth one is it's a historical reliability. So it's a

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<v Speaker 4>record of God intervening in history to show himself in

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<v Speaker 4>different ways, most profound in the person of Jesus of Nazareth.

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<v Speaker 4>But you can actually track the history because there's a

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<v Speaker 4>points that the history is accurate to the events they describe,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, through archaeology and other sources, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>And at what point do we start this history? When

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<v Speaker 2>a talking snake convinced a dirt man and a rib

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<v Speaker 2>magically impart knowledge directly into their brains, thus condemning all

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<v Speaker 2>of humanity for the crime of knowing the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>good and evil? Would it be when God flooded the

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<v Speaker 2>entire planet in a way that left no geologic record

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<v Speaker 2>in order to kill everyone for liking butt stuff or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>What about when the Egyptians kept hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrews as slave for centuries, resulting in a mass migration

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<v Speaker 2>of these people through the Red Sea without leaving any

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<v Speaker 2>archaeological trace behind either of their enslavement or their subsequent migration. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>are there some historically accurate details that can be found

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<v Speaker 2>in various places throughout the Bible. Yes, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>also some pretty wild inaccuracies that we know for a

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<v Speaker 2>fact did not happen. So to call the whole collection

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<v Speaker 2>of books historically accurate is just laughable.

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<v Speaker 4>This is especially true in the life of Jesus of Nazareth.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not for the life of Jesus. The best you

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<v Speaker 2>can do is point to places that were mentioned in

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<v Speaker 2>the Gospels that also happen to be real places, and

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<v Speaker 2>also ponscious Pilot existed, though the other accounts of him

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<v Speaker 2>paint a very different picture from the Pilot of the Bible,

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<v Speaker 2>so I would actually add that one to the list

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<v Speaker 2>of inaccuracies.

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<v Speaker 4>But what's really key in this, as in particular with

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<v Speaker 4>the Gospels, is that the record to accurate history that

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<v Speaker 4>we have in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is a

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<v Speaker 4>supernatural record of events.

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<v Speaker 2>But how did you determine that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and

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<v Speaker 2>John were actually accurate. There are actually a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things that we know they got wrong, So them getting

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<v Speaker 2>a few place names right isn't really going to do

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<v Speaker 4>So we have supernatural history that's well attested to by eyewitnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the Gospels were all written anonymously, none even claimed

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<v Speaker 2>to be eyewitnesses. The only eyewitness who wrote any of

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<v Speaker 2>the New Testament is Paul, and his description of the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that he witnessed places it firmly in the vision category,

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<v Speaker 2>not a demonstrable historical event.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the fourth reason. The fifth one is the power

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<v Speaker 4>of this message, this book, this account of reality, when

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<v Speaker 4>taken seriously to change and transform lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, though literally, every religion changes lives. Winning the lottery

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<v Speaker 2>changes lives. Watching a good movie can change your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Help My life significantly changed for the better when I

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<v Speaker 2>became an atheist. So by that metric, atheism must be true.

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<v Speaker 4>In a very unique fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry I cut it a little too early there.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you explain what makes it unique?

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<v Speaker 1>Please?

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<v Speaker 2>Greg?

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<v Speaker 4>And this is universal, doesn't matter where you live, when

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<v Speaker 4>you live. Christian people who follow this not only are

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<v Speaker 4>the individual lives changed, but whole cultures are transformed, like

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make it unique. Man, Every major religion has

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<v Speaker 4>And then, finally, the survival of this book through in

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<v Speaker 4>the midst of tremendous persecution and criticism. Attempts to destroy

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<v Speaker 4>it physically and through criticism have all failed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I guess we're done explaining the unique way in

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<v Speaker 2>which Christianity changes lives and the Bible surviving isn't really

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<v Speaker 2>surprising given the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church. My

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<v Speaker 2>question here is that if the Bible surviving for so

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<v Speaker 2>long in spite of occasional attempts to eradicate it is

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<v Speaker 2>evidence of its truth, then what are the apocryphal books

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<v Speaker 2>that have survived despite centuries of direct commands from both

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<v Speaker 2>emperors and popes that they be destroyed. The accounts of

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<v Speaker 2>the disciples being martyred all came from such books, and

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<v Speaker 2>apologist seem willing to credulously accept the martyrdom claims, but

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else from them. But clearly God was protecting them

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<v Speaker 2>in the face of persecution, right otherwise they would have

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<v Speaker 2>been wiped out There's also the fact that all of

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<v Speaker 2>the known manuscripts for the New Testament trace back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Egyptian manuscript tradition, meaning that despite these books and

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<v Speaker 2>letters undoubtedly being copied out in many locations, all were

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<v Speaker 2>lost except for the ones from one specific province of

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<v Speaker 2>the Roman Empire. It is conceivable that had the other

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<v Speaker 2>manuscripts survived, our modern New Testament would be completely different

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<v Speaker 2>than it is now. Of course, there is no actual

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that it would be different, but it is impossible

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<v Speaker 2>to say with certainty that it would be the same

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<v Speaker 2>as to destroying it through criticism. If every claim in

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible were conclusively shown to be wrong, the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>would still exist. I'd even go so far as to

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<v Speaker 2>say that Christians would still exist, given how many Christians

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<v Speaker 2>deny evolution, which has been conclusively shown to be the

435
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<v Speaker 2>process by which life on Earth diversified. Greg is one

436
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<v Speaker 2>of those Christians. For the record, though he is willing

437
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<v Speaker 2>to grant old ages, he sees evolution as being incompatible

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<v Speaker 2>with Christianity. Also, for the record, many claims of the

439
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<v Speaker 2>Bible have been conclusively shown to be wrong, and Christians

440
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<v Speaker 2>do still exist.

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<v Speaker 4>And it continues to be the number one best selling

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<v Speaker 4>book of all history.

443
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<v Speaker 2>The holy book of the largest religion on the planet

444
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<v Speaker 2>is a top seller. Color me shocked. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>all the Bible's left unread and hotel rooms count toward

446
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<v Speaker 2>those numbers. Also, most churches I went to had enough

447
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<v Speaker 2>Bibles available for everyone in the congregation to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to borrow one if they forgot there's at home that day.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the kinds of shenanigans that are liable to

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<v Speaker 2>get you a dagger next to your book title on

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times bestseller list. So I'm not really

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<v Speaker 2>impressed by this one.

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<v Speaker 4>And those things taken together, it's a cumulative case.

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<v Speaker 2>Because zero plus zero plus zero plus zero plus zero

455
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<v Speaker 2>plus zero equals one.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently, the supernatural prophecy, the supernatural unity, the supernatural insight,

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<v Speaker 4>the supernatural events recorded accurately. They are the supernatural change lives,

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<v Speaker 4>and supernatural survival through time and persecution, taken collectively, is

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<v Speaker 4>very powerful evidence that this book is not like any

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<v Speaker 4>other book.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the Kuran hits most of those points

462
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<v Speaker 2>at least as well as the Bible does.

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<v Speaker 3>What makes it easier to valuate compared to say, another

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<v Speaker 3>religious text that might just be ideas about how to live,

465
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<v Speaker 3>or maybe their ideas about ultimate reality or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing about the Bible is that it's connected to

467
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<v Speaker 3>normal life, like it's connected to history. It's not just

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<v Speaker 3>one person's ideas that came to them that are untestable.

469
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<v Speaker 2>You shall not put the Lord your God to the

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<v Speaker 2>test Deuteronomy six sixteen. It sounds like, not only has

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<v Speaker 2>she never read her own holy book, but she's also

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<v Speaker 2>never read another religion's holy book. Greg sounds that way too.

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<v Speaker 2>For that matter. It's two people who has never given

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<v Speaker 2>any serious thought to the possibility that any other religion

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<v Speaker 2>might be true, trying to come up with post talk

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<v Speaker 2>justification for their lack of thought.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't test somebody's Like if there's a single person

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<v Speaker 3>who has a vision and says this is how you

479
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<v Speaker 3>should live, well, there's not really a way to test

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<v Speaker 3>if that really came from a supernatural being or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds an awful lot like Paul. She just described

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<v Speaker 2>most of the basis for most of the New Testament,

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<v Speaker 2>and Paul is the only New Testament author who even

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<v Speaker 2>claims to have been a direct eyewitness to anything resurrection related.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything else is anonymous authors repeating stories that they heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Pro tip, don't accidentally describe your own holy book when

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<v Speaker 2>explaining why you dismiss all the other holy books.

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<v Speaker 3>But if God is acting in history, now, there are

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<v Speaker 3>so many people involved writing about what's happening and how

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<v Speaker 3>God is working through what's happening. And we can look

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<v Speaker 3>back at history and see how these things happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we do that, we see that they largely

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<v Speaker 2>did not happen the way the Bible records them happening. Oops.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's just connected with what is happening in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And so there's a way to look at it and see, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what is the evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?

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<v Speaker 3>Why should I believe that? It's not just somebody saying

499
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<v Speaker 3>there's an afterlife? Okay, well what do I do with that?

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<v Speaker 3>There's no way to evaluate that.

501
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<v Speaker 2>Is she for real? How do these people not see it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are apologists the least self aware people on the

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<v Speaker 2>entire planet.

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<v Speaker 3>So we do have a way to look at it

505
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<v Speaker 3>and figure out what is true. So does the advantage

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<v Speaker 3>I think the Bible has.

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<v Speaker 2>H No, the resurrection is just stories written down. There

508
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<v Speaker 2>is no evidence for it. There have been many plausible

509
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<v Speaker 2>scenarios put forth that explain the beginnings of Christianity with

510
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<v Speaker 2>no need for an actual resurrection. But the thing that

511
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<v Speaker 2>it all comes down to is the fact that people

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<v Speaker 2>are capable of writing things down that did not actually happen,

513
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<v Speaker 2>And so whatever may have caused these people to feel

514
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<v Speaker 2>the need to write these things down doesn't ultimately matter.

515
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<v Speaker 2>When looking at it from an evidential standpoint, the question

516
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<v Speaker 2>merely becomes one of probability. What is more likely that

517
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<v Speaker 2>a dead person came back to life, something that, as

518
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<v Speaker 2>far as we can tell, fails to happen one hundred

519
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<v Speaker 2>percent of the time, or that some people wrote down

520
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<v Speaker 2>a story of things that didn't actually happen, something that

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<v Speaker 2>we know happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>In addition, there's and you mentioned the unity. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the unity is a great argument because you have all

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<v Speaker 3>of these authors over fifteen hundred years writing down what

525
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<v Speaker 3>all comes together in a cohesive unity.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, that says to me that not only has she

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<v Speaker 2>not read any other religion's holy books, but she hasn't

528
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<v Speaker 2>even read her own. There's not even a cohesive unity

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<v Speaker 2>in the Gospels, in Mark, Matthew, and Luke, Jesus praised

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<v Speaker 2>that God take this cup from him because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be crucified. But in John, Jesus is annoyed

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<v Speaker 2>that anyone would think that he wouldn't be willing to

533
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<v Speaker 2>be crucified, saying, shall I not drink the cup that

534
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<v Speaker 2>the Father has given me? In Mark, Matthew and Luke,

535
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<v Speaker 2>a man from Sirene is compelled to carry jesus cross

536
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<v Speaker 2>for him, the implication being that his pre crucifixion torture

537
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<v Speaker 2>left him two weak to carry it himself. In John,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes out of his way to mention that Jesus

539
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<v Speaker 2>carried his own damn cross, thank you very much. Yet, somehow,

540
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<v Speaker 2>despite blatant and by all appearances, purposeful contradiction between the

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<v Speaker 2>books of the Bible, we are supposed to believe that

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<v Speaker 2>all of the authors had a unity of message and purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>Of what God has been doing, Who God is, what

544
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<v Speaker 3>he requires, what he's like. It all fits together. How

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<v Speaker 3>does that happen over that period of time, with the

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<v Speaker 3>changing culture and the different people.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you were to actually read your own Holy Book,

548
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<v Speaker 2>you'll see that the character of God does indeed change

549
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<v Speaker 2>over time and with the culture. In fact, that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of how we know that the Pentituke had multiple authors

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<v Speaker 2>from different cultural traditions. Just looking at the three main

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<v Speaker 2>sources for Genesis, we have the priestly source P, which

553
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<v Speaker 2>is overly concerned with lineage, and, aside from a few

554
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<v Speaker 2>of what appear to be scribal errors, never uses the

555
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<v Speaker 2>tetragrammaton the four letters Y to HWH that are the

556
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<v Speaker 2>name of God and Hebrew. Evidence suggests that the P

557
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<v Speaker 2>source is actually a collection of sources that spans several centuries,

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<v Speaker 2>both pre and post xilic. Funnily enough, the evidence is

559
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<v Speaker 2>largely based on the unity of message within the P sources,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the rather odd is cultural differences that place some

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<v Speaker 2>parts as preexilic and others as post exilic. The Yaowist

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<v Speaker 2>source J is concerned with human nature and the higher

563
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<v Speaker 2>purpose that lies behind human events. The writing in the

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<v Speaker 2>J source is so concerned with earthly things that God

565
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<v Speaker 2>himself becomes anthropomorphic. He's planting a garden in Eden. He's

566
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<v Speaker 2>sitting under a tree eating with Abraham. He's wrestling with

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob and cheating at it. No less, the Elohist source

568
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<v Speaker 2>E is very similar to JAY, but usually has God

569
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<v Speaker 2>intervening through angels and dreams rather than getting involved directly

570
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<v Speaker 2>as in Jay, or being rather above it all hanging

571
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<v Speaker 2>out in heaven as in P. He tends to justify

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<v Speaker 2>and explain things rather than letting the actions speak for themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are often contradictions between these sources. For instance,

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<v Speaker 2>J is the source that has seven pairs of birds

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<v Speaker 2>and clean animals on the arc, while P only has

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<v Speaker 2>one pair of each. In Jay, the total duration of

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<v Speaker 2>the flood is sixty one days. Well in P it

578
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<v Speaker 2>is one year and eleven days. To quote Ea Spizer's

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<v Speaker 2>introduction to the Anchor Bible translation of Genesis, my source

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<v Speaker 2>for this section. Quote. The very circumstance, however, that our

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<v Speaker 2>sources exhibit so many mutual disagreements should be enough to

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<v Speaker 2>suggest that the channels through which much of the material

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<v Speaker 2>has been handed down were fluid rather than fixed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's because it's all coming from the same God.

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<v Speaker 2>But the nature of that God is different depending on

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<v Speaker 2>where we're reading, even within single books of the Bible,

587
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<v Speaker 2>which is exactly what we would expect of a series

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<v Speaker 2>of documents composed over centuries by human beings.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, especially when none of those writers have the whole story.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun fact, this is once again, one of the ways

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<v Speaker 2>we can differentiate between sources in the Pentituke. Some of

592
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<v Speaker 2>them had access to the others, but obviously the earlier

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<v Speaker 2>ones did not have access to the later ones, so

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<v Speaker 2>we can see corrections, annotations, and responses happening within the

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<v Speaker 2>text itself.

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<v Speaker 4>They just had a piece and they didn't completely understand it. Abraham,

597
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<v Speaker 4>how did Jesus put it? Saw my day and rejoiced. Okay, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't have a lot of content there. We have

599
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<v Speaker 4>a promise that we know given to Abraham as to

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<v Speaker 4>a future fulfillment of a blessing Abraham a little piece,

601
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<v Speaker 4>and each piece and this is why this course that

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<v Speaker 4>we have at Standarison str dot Org.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I really don't trust this guy to be

604
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<v Speaker 2>a good teacher, given that he doesn't seem capable of

605
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<v Speaker 2>finishing a thought. But like, does he think that Abraham

606
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<v Speaker 2>wrote some of the Bible? He seems to, which is

607
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<v Speaker 2>weird because usually the people who don't want to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>the various sources for the Pentituke like to attribute the

609
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<v Speaker 2>whole thing to Moses, not Abraham. But I guess it

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<v Speaker 2>could be that Greg is just taking the story at

611
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<v Speaker 2>face value. With no critical thought being put into it,

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<v Speaker 2>and assuming that when the story said that Abraham was

613
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<v Speaker 2>aware of things, that must actually be true for the

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<v Speaker 2>likely ahistorical person known as Abraham.

615
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<v Speaker 4>Gets called the Bible fast forward. There's eight sessions fifty

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<v Speaker 4>minutes each, five zero and it comes with a like

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and fifty page syllabus that I put together,

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<v Speaker 4>and I teach this to show the connectedness from from

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<v Speaker 4>the very beginning the call of Abraham all the way

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<v Speaker 4>to the advent of Messiah. It's all connected.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, It's all connected. No one is denying that. This

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<v Speaker 2>is like me saying that the first Star Wars movie

623
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<v Speaker 2>is connected to the latest one. It is, obviously. But

624
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<v Speaker 2>has there been a consistent theme or message throughout all

625
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<v Speaker 2>of the Star Wars media? Absolutely not, And much like Christianity,

626
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<v Speaker 2>there have been schisms in the Star Wars fandom over

627
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<v Speaker 2>what media is best, what is canon, what is apocryphal, etc. Personally,

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<v Speaker 2>I hold to originalism. The original trilogy is best, The

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<v Speaker 2>prequels are okay, but cringy, and Disney Star Wars mostly

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<v Speaker 2>sucks balls. No idea how and or made it through

631
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<v Speaker 2>the Disney everything must be generic and bad filter. But

632
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<v Speaker 2>the fact that and Or is good is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>least controversial Star Wars opinion anyone could have.

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<v Speaker 4>So there you go, and it's very obvious when you

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<v Speaker 4>kind of go through it. That's the unity you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So if when you say unity you just mean came

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<v Speaker 2>from the same general culture, so despite the many differences

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<v Speaker 2>and disagreements, will have some elements in common, then I'd agree.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not a supernatural unity. That's the same unity

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<v Speaker 2>that the Star Wars universe has.

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<v Speaker 3>And just emphasize one more thing that you have in there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the insight into human nature that just blows me

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<v Speaker 3>away sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>So her favorite bits of the Pentituke must be from

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<v Speaker 2>the j source, because that's Jay's whole thing. Again, though,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not any profound insight into human nature that is

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<v Speaker 2>on a level that requires supernatural intervention, and often it's

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<v Speaker 2>about on the same level as the other religions. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see how this sets Christianity apart.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bible knows who we are. God's revelation he has us.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows who we are, and you can see the

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<v Speaker 3>reality of that, and you can see the weaknesses of people,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can see what God does through them, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's just you see how people interact with Jesus, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's just amazing. You can see the truthfulness of the

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<v Speaker 3>way it portrays human.

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<v Speaker 4>Being, resonates with our deepest intuitions about reality.

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue that the Buddhist observation that suffering is

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<v Speaker 2>intrinsically linked with desire is far more profound than anything

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<v Speaker 2>found in the Bible. So what I got from this

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<v Speaker 2>video is that there really isn't any reason to give

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity or the Bible any more consideration than any other religion.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the one that Greg and Amy like best.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for this one. Today's comment to the Day

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<v Speaker 2>comes to us from the heretic annihilator nine thousand, who

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<v Speaker 2>says rejecting Christ causes eternal harm. Think about that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious about this one. Who does it cause the

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<v Speaker 2>harm to The implication seems to be that I would

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<v Speaker 2>be the one being harmed because I wind up being

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<v Speaker 2>tortured in hell for attorney, which just kind of shows

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<v Speaker 2>God to be the immoral monster that atheists commonly say

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<v Speaker 2>he is. I didn't do him any harm, but like

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<v Speaker 2>a petulant child with a mean temper, in psychopathy, he

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<v Speaker 2>throws me into a fire to burn forever because of

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<v Speaker 2>a minor slight Thanks for watching. I'll be back next

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