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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, OK, I see what it means.

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<v Speaker 2>No, those are some of the exotic wild birds that

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<v Speaker 2>we encountered while we were in Guatemala, and I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you some of the calls these birds were making were very,

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<v Speaker 2>very full, full and unusual, as you can tell. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to thank Frank Regalia for supplying that. Frank was

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<v Speaker 2>along with us on this tour, and I gotta tell

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<v Speaker 2>you it really made it an exotic venture to hear

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<v Speaker 2>these birds constantly calling out and a little bit later

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<v Speaker 2>we're here. Some monkeys and monkeys were everywhere among the

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<v Speaker 2>trees and very much a part of the ruins. These

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<v Speaker 2>exotic birds and the animals are very much a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the ruins. I will also mention that we saw

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<v Speaker 2>some spiders, and we saw a transula, and we saw

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<v Speaker 2>on one of the entrances to I believe it was

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<v Speaker 2>it might have been to call, but I'm not quite sure.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw a scorpion with a very long tail, and

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<v Speaker 2>our guy was very making a point to identify this

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can see what we were running into. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the jungle. These are the things that we expect

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<v Speaker 2>when we travel to other countries and we're in the forest,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the Amazon. We're in the jungle that these

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<v Speaker 2>ruins are are part of. Hey, this is Cliff your

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<v Speaker 2>host of Earth Agents, and today we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>interview a couple of different archaeologists who are native to

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<v Speaker 2>these areas. These are indigenous archaeologists, which I found not

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<v Speaker 2>only refreshing but very very insightful. And these are short,

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<v Speaker 2>ten twenty minute interviews that we were ganging together. And

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<v Speaker 2>we also have a interview with Frank Rigola, who is

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<v Speaker 2>with me on a tour that we did at t

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<v Speaker 2>call when everybody went to lunch and we were like

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to stick around a little bit longer. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I had a big breakfast. We both probably had big

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<v Speaker 2>breakfasts and felt the need to go running off to

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<v Speaker 2>sit and have lunch unnecessary. And I will say this,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're in the jungle, there's humidity which wasn't too bad,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's We really honestly had some great weather. The

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<v Speaker 2>average weather was about seventy five degrees, the average humidity

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<v Speaker 2>was about twenty to thirty percent. It was not devastating,

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<v Speaker 2>but you did feel it. Now. When we were in

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<v Speaker 2>Guatamald City, the elevation was over five thousand feet I

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<v Speaker 2>felt that I was very very aware of my breathing

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<v Speaker 2>and I have mentioned this a couple of times that

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<v Speaker 2>I and by the way, Brad Toy, I thank you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Brad's been with us on a number of tours. He

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<v Speaker 2>had just come back from Peru, and Peru's ten thousand

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<v Speaker 2>plus feet above sea level, very very high up. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you went to Machua Picha, which is like fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand feet. But what they do there is they have

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<v Speaker 2>candies and other items that have coca leave, and what

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<v Speaker 2>happens is you chew and you dissolve one of these

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<v Speaker 2>lozenges in your mouth and your body become acclimates to

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<v Speaker 2>the elevation. And for me, it's not so much during

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<v Speaker 2>the day that I fill a problem, although you're winded

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<v Speaker 2>sooner than normal, it's at nighttime that it's really a

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<v Speaker 2>problem because you're trying to rest, you're trying to sleep comfortably,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found myself fighting for air. It's very, very uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hyper sensitive to anything that has to do with oxygen.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been that way, and years ago, when I

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<v Speaker 2>used to travel for business, I had trouble with the

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<v Speaker 2>planes because they didn't have hepa filters. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the cleaning filters that they have now on airplanes, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't enjoy flying. And I've always had a

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<v Speaker 2>problem with elevation too. So anyhow, when you are chewing

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<v Speaker 2>or dissolving one of these these coca leaf candies in

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<v Speaker 2>your mouth, you're slowly feeling better and better. And luckily

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I was Brad had like ten or twelve

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<v Speaker 2>of these these little candies that he had brought over

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<v Speaker 2>from Beru. Man did they make a difference, And I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm highly doubt they're they're legal in the States. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I hadn't even left by the time

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<v Speaker 2>we were done, But man, do they make a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, the conditions were pretty good. Now I was

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<v Speaker 2>lucky because when we flew from Guatemala City into Flores

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<v Speaker 2>where te call is and these other sites, it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>at sea level. So I was in great shape. That

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<v Speaker 2>was an amazing shape and climbed around Now I did,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is very rare, and I can't remember if

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned this on Destiny, but I was climbing a pyramid,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just They're just gorgeous and well designed pyramids.

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<v Speaker 2>And t call. But I was climbing a pyramid and

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<v Speaker 2>I slept on one of the trails and I fell

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<v Speaker 2>on my hand, dislocated my little finger popped it back in.

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<v Speaker 2>But later I had a lot of bruising and I

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<v Speaker 2>discovered I had fractured the finger, and so I just

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<v Speaker 2>banned it up and recently had an X ray and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a hairline fracture. I'm wearing a splint on

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<v Speaker 2>my hand right now. So I'm feeling much better and

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<v Speaker 2>I have a couple of weeks. Went to the doctor. Said,

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<v Speaker 2>are you gotta have to mobilize that figure, buddy? I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, I'll mobilize it. But no, it was great.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the only thing that happened to me. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I've had a problem like that. We

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<v Speaker 2>were in the rainy season and so everything was slick

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<v Speaker 2>and you had to really keep an eye on things.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go, that happened to me. But today's

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<v Speaker 2>program is a short vignette of interviews, one with an

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<v Speaker 2>archaeologist named Israel and he was fabulous and he was

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<v Speaker 2>our tour guide for Tikal, and you're gonna hear some

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<v Speaker 2>unusual things regarding the energy and the sockbies. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a short program today because we didn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time to interview, but you're gonna hear some interesting

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<v Speaker 2>ideas and most notably the energetics of these places. What

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<v Speaker 2>is happening with tulluric energy. And it's interesting how the

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<v Speaker 2>academics in northern North America are very hesitant to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about these things. It's just not part of their nature.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna hear some fun stuff today. So today's

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<v Speaker 2>program is Observations and Insights from TICLL Guatemala, and we

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<v Speaker 2>the first interview is with Israel or Throw. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a indied Genus archaeologist. Was also a tour guide, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking him when we were walking through to call

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<v Speaker 2>specific questions. I'd never been there before, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I thought was fascinating is that they

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<v Speaker 2>had design living apartments and living quarters close to the

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<v Speaker 2>civic area. I guess it makes sense because it's close

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<v Speaker 2>to where ceremonies were done. But you are higher up

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<v Speaker 2>in these apartments looking down into the civic area, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was curious about how they were designed and built,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm asking Israel about these designs. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is the first part of this interview. We have just

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<v Speaker 2>descended to call and when I'm here with our to

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<v Speaker 2>our guide Israel, and he has shown as some of

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<v Speaker 2>the most amazing apartments which I didn't realize where close

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<v Speaker 2>to the civic area where the main pyramids are. Israel, welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for being our guide.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure for me showing a part of my

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<v Speaker 1>culture right here, like culture is still a line Malin.

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<v Speaker 1>Right here we are visiting the huge capital city and

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<v Speaker 1>the Mayan war that is Tikal, and I already show

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<v Speaker 1>you part of the apartments of the Mayans. It was

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<v Speaker 1>really nice. So there already built big structure like this

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<v Speaker 1>made by limestone.

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<v Speaker 2>How long have you been an archaeologist and what did

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<v Speaker 2>you what was your interest in becoming an archaeologist.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really interesting. I know about the history of

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<v Speaker 1>my own sisters. Also I tried to find like a

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<v Speaker 1>connection with another civilization around the world. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>specific ones like a catch to us and Mayans right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody believes in somebody comes from the heaven and give

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<v Speaker 1>you the knowledge. It's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're a regular tour guide. What are the if

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<v Speaker 2>do you take scientific tours or just general public?

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, general tours, just basic public general.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I work like a freelance, you know, freelance freelance. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to show you as part of the archeologies

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<v Speaker 1>history flora and founder right here.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you went to school to becoming archeologist, were

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<v Speaker 2>you interested to work specifically at t Call or all

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<v Speaker 2>the myocytes.

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<v Speaker 1>All the mind sides are really interesting on all that.

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<v Speaker 2>So how old is t Call? Do we know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we are talking the first evidence around a hundred BC,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it was like a organic evidence. But the

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<v Speaker 1>first date on the mine ward it was two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ninety two was carbon and estella and stones. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was specific the estella twenty nine. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>first rulers was carved and this kind of stone.

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<v Speaker 2>First ruler yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack talk. It was the fourteen ruler in the Mayan dynasty,

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<v Speaker 1>but was one of the first one where we know.

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<v Speaker 2>And do we have the tomb of this first king.

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<v Speaker 1>No, here we have an important tomb. It was found

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty two. It was inside of the temple

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<v Speaker 1>number one. The skeleton of this human It was one

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<v Speaker 1>point eight meters.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's tall.

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<v Speaker 1>It was tall. It was decorated by sixteen pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>j eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, so it's very important.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very important. It was the ruler twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy take over like the dominion of this area,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything was good for Tika.

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<v Speaker 2>You see a warlord. So he went out and purposefully

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<v Speaker 2>fought the smaller groups.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly, m hm. And this period was built temple one, two, three,

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<v Speaker 1>and four, the highest one and call.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we look at that, we're facing the temple two.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh did they carve the or did they excavate the

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<v Speaker 2>interior of it to see what's inside?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there already been some tunnels, but they didn't fight

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody's nobody's Why would they build such.

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<v Speaker 2>A huge temple Israel? I mean it just a huge undertaking,

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<v Speaker 2>many man hours, many bits of concrete, and ye, why

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<v Speaker 2>would they build such a huge temple?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? They already used to represent a special mountain mountain

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<v Speaker 1>like mountain sacred mountain. Season in my own language. They

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<v Speaker 1>this temple there's a little door. It's gonna be the

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<v Speaker 1>interest to the underward, like at the perfect donation with

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<v Speaker 1>the three specific levels. Ah, the Mayan cosmos used to

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be connected also to the underworld. So they

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<v Speaker 2>So by building this artificial temple pyramid, they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>create a natural mountain exactly they used to. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a sacred mountains, sacred mountain. Now one of my big

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<v Speaker 2>things is to natural gravitational energy. Have they done any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of testing to see if there's talleric fields or

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, they didn't, But there's something that specificing right here.

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<v Speaker 1>You can feel that. You don't need like any like machines, machines,

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me about that as a native of this area.

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<v Speaker 2>What does it feel like when you when you walk

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<v Speaker 2>feel heavy? How does it feel.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like heavy energy when you came here in

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<v Speaker 1>the many Plaszta. You can just close your eyes, you

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<v Speaker 2>So seeing in the plaza standing in the middle or

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<v Speaker 1>Came here, and you feel that because it's like it

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<v Speaker 2>Aqueducts water systems.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it was like they said, right here was

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<v Speaker 1>like a strategy point because they could collect the energy here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where are they collecting the energy? And then in

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<v Speaker 2>the plazas, Oh, so people would stand in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like yeah, they made like ceremonies like retails right here.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can feel that, you know, staying in like

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<v Speaker 1>an ancient place covered by trees around the temples. And

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<v Speaker 1>also it's very interesting, you know, the energy when you

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<v Speaker 2>So talk about the understanding archaeologically, do they use equipment

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<v Speaker 2>to measure the energy or is it more indigenous understanding

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<v Speaker 2>The people who are here for thousands of years, they

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<v Speaker 2>it because you said your grandmother was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>not a shaman, but was she a daykeeper?

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<v Speaker 1>She she was, and practice in the natural medicine her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you use the plants and herbs to you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about your grandmother. What what how did she learn

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<v Speaker 1>It was she she was also originated from this area,

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<v Speaker 1>but she came here very early when she was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>and the people her hero is still this is the

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<v Speaker 1>natural medicine, and she'll learned that it was not like

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<v Speaker 1>exactly my understandance, but she'll learned, you were burned around

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<v Speaker 1>people who practice in my natural medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was a medicine keeper, a medicine woman. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it is that people would call her for. Was

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<v Speaker 2>she delivering babies?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that's what's the word for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's co maderna in Spanish, co maderna. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>help use like a steambat.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was a natural healer. Yeah, wow, amazing. Talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the steely over there, what do those represent? Are

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<v Speaker 2>those the markers of kings or do they have dates

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<v Speaker 2>on the steely?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? They have dates an important history. But the Maya

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<v Speaker 1>was found in the stellas. They come from the Greek memories,

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<v Speaker 1>so they print the memories and the stellas the Stanley

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<v Speaker 1>stones and in front of this one that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>see like rona stones. It was to put the offerings

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<v Speaker 1>rid the offerings, the offerings. Yeah, we made a analogy

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<v Speaker 1>about the Catholic chart. It was easy to understand, how

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<v Speaker 1>words that the memories of somebody and you can put

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<v Speaker 1>in front of them the things that they used to

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<v Speaker 1>like write when he was alive. Oh, chocolate, tobacco, candles, chocolate, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, it was the It was also a sacred

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<v Speaker 1>beverage for the Mayans. We have found evidence and the

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<v Speaker 1>basis of them rest of cacao or chocolate. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the first name who has the roller roller sixty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six parton mister chocolats it was, Yeah, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>important ruler here twenty six rulers of the cow. It

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<v Speaker 1>was mister Chocolate. In honor of his wife. He built

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<v Speaker 1>the temple number two, the mask temple right here.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was he trading cocaal uh in commerce with other.

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<v Speaker 1>Groups or exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Also he cultivated the best chocolate. Yeah, that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>call it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they have like a specific symbol of chocolate. There's

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<v Speaker 1>like the fruit is cooded on the health and you

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<v Speaker 1>can see the little scene inside and was found skulper.

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<v Speaker 1>And the stella also is mister chocolate. Mister it was

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<v Speaker 1>representing and this is stella. That's why the archeologists put

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<v Speaker 1>the second name. The first was now like a mister

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<v Speaker 1>ruler e was that one of the first and then

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<v Speaker 1>gonna know like mister chocolating.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister chocolay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then they put another name, rights Will when

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<v Speaker 1>they tried to find a meaning of the symbols, because

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<v Speaker 1>they might have like a very complex hieroglyphics, hieroglyphics.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah wow, So did you guys find any of his

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<v Speaker 2>chocolate residue in his grape? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And they also carbon in the stone and also some

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<v Speaker 1>like evidence organic evidence in the basis.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they were drinking the chocolate where they add

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<v Speaker 2>sugar or honey or nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have Probably they have honey because the natural

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<v Speaker 1>one the cane came here later.

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<v Speaker 2>No sugar cane, not sugar cane here.

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<v Speaker 1>Also no plain things. So you want to ask about

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<v Speaker 1>like a traditional dish and Guatemala likea breakfast, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be just like a natural eggs from the hands,

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<v Speaker 1>natural eggs and black beans, no cheese because they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have no cow cows here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, talking real quickly about this socbee. Have they found

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<v Speaker 2>the wheel here because the sockbee is are super highways.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're found like the system of the stone around

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<v Speaker 1>the stone. But they don't use like a like a

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<v Speaker 1>wheels in the museums.

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<v Speaker 2>There's toys of wheels. They because there's no one's found

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<v Speaker 2>a grave, yes site with a wagon yet, but they

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<v Speaker 2>just think they had a wheel.

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<v Speaker 1>They used to represent it like the wrong ones. But

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like a cycles, just cycles.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh okay, all right, thank you, gotta let you go.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back to you in a minute. Yeah. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a short question that I asked Israel when we

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<v Speaker 2>were at Yasha, which is this fabulous smaller city. But

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<v Speaker 2>the pyramids were gorgeous, very very old, thousands of years old,

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<v Speaker 2>couple thousand years old, excuse me, more than a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of thousand, and by the way, go to their Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>page to see these images of these pyramids because they're gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually took a nosedive at Yasha and hurt my finger,

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<v Speaker 2>but I probably wasn't paid attention. I wasn't paid attention

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<v Speaker 2>to the stairs and the trail leading to these pyramids.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a question to Israel again regarding the

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<v Speaker 2>excavation of pyramids in Guatemala. I have a question for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm here in Yesha, and I'm asking Israel about

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<v Speaker 2>the archaeology. Who makes the decision on excavating the pyramids

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<v Speaker 2>if they find a big pyramid? Is it the government

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<v Speaker 2>or is there a local group of archaeologists who determine

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<v Speaker 2>which permit to excavate.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the bold things in the resident of some

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<v Speaker 1>archeologies and the government they give the permit to dig

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<v Speaker 1>and investigate for like ten years ago. Yeah yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>now it's no more excavation.

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<v Speaker 2>No excavations happening right now. And why is that government's

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<v Speaker 2>not stable or.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they're going to be. They're going to spend a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money in you know, the restoration of the

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<v Speaker 1>structure is going to be expensive, but later you must

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<v Speaker 1>to protect the services because many of the material it

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<v Speaker 1>is limestone, right yeah, it's going to be have a

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<v Speaker 1>damage of the elements.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Oh well yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So they

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<v Speaker 2>don't do right now, there's no excavations of any major

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<v Speaker 2>quatumal in sites.

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<v Speaker 1>Only in Elemia, though they are still doing some like projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing no, tkall, no Yashah, only next to the island

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<v Speaker 1>of Florist.

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<v Speaker 2>So and you're thinking, what if an American company who

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<v Speaker 2>like Elon muskm billionaire, said I'm going to give you

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<v Speaker 2>ten million dollars to excavate, would that happen? Would that

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<v Speaker 2>be something that would be good to do or that

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<v Speaker 2>would yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some prev So there's something churlated from Guatemala.

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<v Speaker 1>Some from Germany US who want to escavate is to investigate,

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<v Speaker 1>who expose and protect some areas. But they need money.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to have money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they need money, and here the government don't take care. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's true. That's not but it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So so if somebody rich American said I have ten

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars to excavate.

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<v Speaker 1>This area, and yeah, yeah it will be it will.

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<v Speaker 2>They could do it? They can do it, you think

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<v Speaker 2>so they wouldn't say no, you're an Americano. No, that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good, that's yeah okay. And the problem is that

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a long time to excavate too, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The last provident tical was they spent six years

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<v Speaker 1>escavating in a seven temple plaza. They spent six years

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty oh four up to twenty ten, and they

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<v Speaker 1>exposed just I think ten percent of this.

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<v Speaker 2>How much did that cos it costs a couple of million.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know how many, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>much a lot of money, A lot of money, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my perpetual problems with archaeology, and we've had

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Hanson on this program as well as uh Ed

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<v Speaker 2>Barnhardt and a few other archaeologists. They simply cannot conceive

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<v Speaker 2>of the Maya having invented the wheel. And my problem

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<v Speaker 2>with this, and you know, I as I talked to

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<v Speaker 2>Hanson about this, he's kind of perplexed as well as

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<v Speaker 2>and he's written a number of papers on the causeways,

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<v Speaker 2>the huge sacbies that run all through Elmador and through

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<v Speaker 2>the Guatemalan biosphere. I mean miles and hundreds of miles

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<v Speaker 2>of these perfectly level monstrosities of highways, and yet they

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<v Speaker 2>cannot conceive of the wheel. Now, my whole issue with

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<v Speaker 2>this is that if you go to museums Maya museums

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<v Speaker 2>or missile American museums, the wheel is very prevalent and

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<v Speaker 2>obvious in the toys. They have toys with wheels, and

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing is you can see stone wheels. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what they were used for. But is it

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<v Speaker 2>possible that we just don't have any evidence of wheels

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<v Speaker 2>simply because they haven't been found. It's just so hard

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with. But here I am in Yashiel again

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<v Speaker 2>with Israel, asking him about the causeways that we find

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<v Speaker 2>in that part of the world. We're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will return shortly with my variety of guests

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<v Speaker 2>today discussing observations and insights at Tica, Guatemala. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>right back well, speaking with a variety of guests today

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<v Speaker 2>on our program which is highlighting my trip to Guatemala

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<v Speaker 2>in Central America. This is the first time Earth Asians

425
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<v Speaker 2>has done a tour in this area, and we sell

426
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<v Speaker 2>some outstanding pyramids, temples and standing Maya ruins. So I

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<v Speaker 2>want to know a little bit about the causeways. Talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this causeway where are we right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, the north part of Jesha and the center

430
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<v Speaker 1>of the city is linked by causeway the Maya used for,

431
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<v Speaker 1>you know, moving between the cities.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's admit it that archaeologists don't believe that the

433
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<v Speaker 2>Maya had the will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's very crazy. We're kind of.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Crazy, huge highways, beautifully cut level. But the archaeologists do

436
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<v Speaker 2>not believe that they've the Maya had a wheel. But

437
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<v Speaker 2>what do we know about the who constructed? And how

438
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<v Speaker 2>old is this sockb here?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the first evidence of the sackbit right here is

440
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<v Speaker 1>four hundred BC. Wow, huge ones, we are talking about

441
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<v Speaker 1>this one. The Noracropolis is one hundred and twenty meters huge. Huge, Yeah,

442
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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's crazy because they must used something to

443
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<v Speaker 1>move and it's yeah, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta we gotta find a king's grave with a big wheel.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the museums are filled with children's toys that have wheels.

446
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<v Speaker 2>So how do you explain that we have toys that

447
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<v Speaker 2>have wheels? They knew those.

448
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<v Speaker 1>That's it's possible to find any news on some toys

449
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<v Speaker 1>and like ancient toys that they may use for playing, right,

450
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<v Speaker 1>they use the term of circle, they use altars, they

451
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<v Speaker 1>use rings on the ball course, So why didn't use

452
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<v Speaker 1>their wills to make like mechanics roll?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah, So something is up because they can't conceive

454
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<v Speaker 2>the archaeologists can't conceive of the Maya having a will.

455
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<v Speaker 2>But with these amazing super highways the way maya arose

456
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<v Speaker 2>the sock piece, they must have been using will the things.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my point of view. They try to believe on

458
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<v Speaker 1>the allience came and visit us and build everything using

459
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<v Speaker 1>laser and stuff. They don't believe in the like an

460
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<v Speaker 1>evolution of the engineers, like the knowledge of the people. Right,

461
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<v Speaker 1>humans are always evolution stop ingenious ingenious?

462
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<v Speaker 2>Right? So how long does the sockbee go? How meters

463
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<v Speaker 2>from the one temple to the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? This one has like meta like one one to

465
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<v Speaker 1>two meters, but in Mita door to they have a

466
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<v Speaker 1>huge one like a kilometers of zagba connected linked by

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<v Speaker 1>the city of.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow Blad proof of the game. Okay, thank you, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back to you in a minute. This last portion

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<v Speaker 2>is with Frank Rogala and myself at Ti Cal Guatemala,

471
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<v Speaker 2>who decided to stay behind and subsequently got caught in

472
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<v Speaker 2>a real powerful rainstorm. I mean it was coming down really,

473
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<v Speaker 2>really hard, and luckily we were under a tree. There

474
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<v Speaker 2>was a city in area under a tree, so we

475
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to get into wet. But it was quite a

476
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<v Speaker 2>sight and quite a sensation because it was warm and

477
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<v Speaker 2>the water was you know, it was hot, not hot,

478
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<v Speaker 2>but it was warm water coming down. We were soaked

479
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 2>through our clothing to our skin and we could just

480
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<v Speaker 2>sit there and just you know, do the best we

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<v Speaker 2>can to be covered by the tree. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>asking Frank his observation of these pyramids, and what he

483
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<v Speaker 2>suspected was tolluric energy emitted at different frequencies at different times.

484
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<v Speaker 2>So we're taking a break. We're here still at the

485
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<v Speaker 2>PA Civic area, the central portion of Teka, and it's

486
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<v Speaker 2>a stonework masterpiece of multiple pyramids, smaller pyramids still out,

487
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<v Speaker 2>these standing stones that are markers for king, important dates

488
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<v Speaker 2>and other details about the history of Tica. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>with Frank. Frank's been with us for since the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the tour. But Frank, what do you think about

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<v Speaker 2>this place? How do you feel about it? As somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's an observer who also has his podcast. Give us

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<v Speaker 2>the name of your podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, Mortals of Earth, Mortals of Earth. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>my third trip with you, Cliff, and I always seem

496
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<v Speaker 3>to go to fascinating, interesting places with you. Everything about

497
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<v Speaker 3>this screams that there's pre cataclysmic roots because there's we are.

498
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<v Speaker 3>We have our experts with us, you know, doctor Lydia

499
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 3>de Leon and Arturo, and they were talking to us

500
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<v Speaker 3>about how all the geometry and the ratios here are

501
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 3>tied to five, as are all the temples actually globally,

502
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<v Speaker 3>which is really an incredible non coincident. And one of

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<v Speaker 3>the artwork reliefs that they showed us that was just

504
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<v Speaker 3>a portion of I guess what the entire relief was.

505
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<v Speaker 3>Previously showed a priest and he was rowing a boat

506
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<v Speaker 3>and there was a volcano in the background, people drowning.

507
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 3>They had a fish in the water to show it

508
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.519
<v Speaker 3>was a fish, and it was like a temple with

509
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<v Speaker 3>blocks falling off at the background to kind of show

510
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<v Speaker 3>you a cataclysm.

511
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it looked just like a pyramid, like a steep

513
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<v Speaker 3>one like this, we're steering. We're staring at a pyramid

514
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<v Speaker 3>here that is an incredibly steep slope on it. I

515
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<v Speaker 3>don't know the name of that particular one, but what

516
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<v Speaker 3>strikes me here is we're in the middle of a

517
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<v Speaker 3>jungle and we were getting some statistics on how much

518
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<v Speaker 3>money it costs just to keep these things from being

519
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 3>destroyed and degraded by the environment. Here I guess it's

520
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<v Speaker 3>the million building one million.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm taking a second here to chew a power bar.

522
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>And i gotta tell you I'm not in the best

523
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<v Speaker 2>of shape. I try to keep in fairly good shape,

524
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<v Speaker 2>but the humidity and the amount of walking you had

525
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<v Speaker 2>to get up and down, You've got to be in

526
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<v Speaker 2>some kind of decent shape to come to Tiko. And

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<v Speaker 2>I say that for the most part because for years

528
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<v Speaker 2>I've concentrated on the Maya of the Yucatan Peninsula, and

529
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that's fairly flat. You walk into shit younitsa ushmol coba

530
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<v Speaker 2>Ekblomso on no hills. This place is built on hills.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing is fascinating is is an engineering phenomenon.

532
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<v Speaker 2>Everything is artificial retaining walls. Everything's built like we're on

533
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<v Speaker 2>a massive retaining wall that is supporting these huge pyramids.

534
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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea how much they weigh, but it's

535
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<v Speaker 2>in the hundreds of tons, I'm sure. But it's very

536
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<v Speaker 2>elegantly laid out. And this is the thing about the

537
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<v Speaker 2>Maya is that they're not just putting up pyramids. And

538
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<v Speaker 2>by the way, to erect a pyramid is an engineering

539
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<v Speaker 2>feat You're talking about huge amounts of weight stacked upon

540
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<v Speaker 2>stacked upon, stacked on stack, and you can't just half asset.

541
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<v Speaker 2>You've got to understand the surface features the ground underneath.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is why I think, and I haven't really

543
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<v Speaker 2>heard a great deal about it, that they were brilliant engineers.

544
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<v Speaker 2>You can't just put up a retaining wall and stick

545
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<v Speaker 2>a pyramid on it or a temple. It has to

546
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<v Speaker 2>be engineered. And I think the reason that they were

547
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<v Speaker 2>a master's that putting up retaining walls is they want

548
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<v Speaker 2>to ensure the stability of their pyramid. So what do

549
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<v Speaker 2>you think about that? By the way, what do you

550
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<v Speaker 2>think of this retaining wall theory?

551
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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're exactly right. I have to say that one

552
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<v Speaker 3>of the reasons I wanted to come on this particular

553
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.679
<v Speaker 3>expedition with us because I know that the Mayan and

554
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.360
<v Speaker 3>their traditions and history are a particular interest of yours.

555
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<v Speaker 3>And you have such a wide range of sources and

556
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 3>authors and people that you've been exposed to that I

557
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.000
<v Speaker 3>knew would be something special to come with you. But

558
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<v Speaker 3>I you know, when you when you see the Egyptian

559
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 3>pyramids they had they could most locally source you know, uh,

560
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.199
<v Speaker 3>granite stone. This is a completely different environment here, Like

561
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<v Speaker 3>I walked barefoot mostly here, and the soils here are

562
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<v Speaker 3>very a lot of clay and uh it's a real slippery,

563
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.599
<v Speaker 3>uh you know, jungle environment. So the in fact this

564
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<v Speaker 3>limestone and the stones that they have here, it would

565
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<v Speaker 3>be interesting to to I don't know if we could

566
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<v Speaker 3>find it in the jungle to see how it was

567
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<v Speaker 3>quarried and how how far they transported it because you're

568
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<v Speaker 3>you're uh. Basically their technique was to do a retaining

569
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<v Speaker 3>wall and then do an infill, and and it was

570
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<v Speaker 3>done over generations. They showed us that, uh, they've got

571
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<v Speaker 3>technology to show that they did smaller ones and then

572
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 3>they would build another one over it. But there would

573
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<v Speaker 3>be a greater overplan for these huge mecha plazas of

574
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<v Speaker 3>these pyramids that there's a we're with a couple of

575
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<v Speaker 3>researchers that do that have scientifically measured the energies, the radiation,

576
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.039
<v Speaker 3>the geology, the hydrology, all of the things that make

577
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 3>these sacred sites interesting because they're placed in specific points

578
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<v Speaker 3>where there's a an energy that comes up in the

579
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<v Speaker 3>pyramid directs it into a longitudinal energy, which makes the

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<v Speaker 3>peaks of them very special because are if you're not

581
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 3>feeling well, if you're sick, if you're We're a big

582
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<v Speaker 3>body of electromagnetic energy and it becomes incoherent. And if

583
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<v Speaker 3>you're in the presence of a coherent waveform, you'll cohere

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<v Speaker 3>to it. So just being around in these places where

585
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 3>the energy has been directed into a coherent longitudinal wave

586
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 3>is going to have effects. And these are ruins and

587
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 3>even so a sensitive people can feel it. They said

588
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 3>that their priests uh went out and found this place

589
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:20.880
<v Speaker 3>and decided to put it here. And if you can imagine,

590
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 3>like you know, the humidity Clip was talking about, and

591
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the the clay soils, and there isn't it isn't like

592
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 3>the they had they could truck things from far away.

593
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 3>They had to make use of what was here. So

594
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<v Speaker 3>there was something very specific and special about this environment.

595
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<v Speaker 3>The soils were so poor. They had tens of thousands

596
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:42.039
<v Speaker 3>of people living here. They had to manufacture their own

597
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.079
<v Speaker 3>agricultural areas and their own soils, which are still being

598
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<v Speaker 3>studied today. They the last I heard, they haven't figured

599
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<v Speaker 3>out how to recreate these uh. These these mayan fertile soils,

600
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<v Speaker 3>and that a lot of the trees they can actually

601
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<v Speaker 3>now proved that they weren't indigenous, they were actually planted

602
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<v Speaker 3>specifically for the use of people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point. But one of the things that

604
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<v Speaker 2>you missed out, Frank, was that Israel when I asked

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<v Speaker 2>him about the Tulleric energy he acknowledged it and his family,

606
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 2>which is for an archaeologist to acknowledge Tuleric energy fields,

607
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.119
<v Speaker 2>that's a big deal. He also says that in the morning,

608
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<v Speaker 2>when you come here and you stand in the civic area,

609
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.199
<v Speaker 2>you feel the energy lifting and as the sun rises higher,

610
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.840
<v Speaker 2>it diminishes. So that's a pretty big announcement. I was

611
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<v Speaker 2>shocked that he would say that, but he did, and

612
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<v Speaker 2>so that is. Of course he's an indigenous archaeologist, which

613
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<v Speaker 2>is fantastic. But I mean, I'm gonna print that in

614
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<v Speaker 2>as many places as I can because I would never

615
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>hear from an American archaeologist or anthropologist admits something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this morning was doctor Laity was giving us a

618
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<v Speaker 3>presentation and they The one thing fascinated me about them

619
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.960
<v Speaker 3>is they've actually got scientific methods now of measuring these

620
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.239
<v Speaker 3>energies that people used to always go, oh, it's woo woo,

621
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, oh their tombs. Oh it's a ceremonial place. Oh,

622
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:20.159
<v Speaker 3>it was for their gods. And their book is called

623
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<v Speaker 3>The Power of Sacred Location. And as far as I know,

624
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:26.760
<v Speaker 3>it's the first time that anybody was ever able to

625
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.440
<v Speaker 3>scientifically analyze all of these spots and energies. And they

626
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.199
<v Speaker 3>went as far as like medical records of populations in areas,

627
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 3>like everybody in this area is getting cancer, and everybody

628
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.199
<v Speaker 3>over here is really industrious, and people over here are depressed.

629
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<v Speaker 3>And then going down to their the electrical electromagnetic energy

630
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:48.360
<v Speaker 3>that was emanating from those spots and so actually we're

631
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<v Speaker 3>going to just like a little bit of a sprinkle here.

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<v Speaker 3>And they were telling us that it's really special when

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<v Speaker 3>you get rain here because when water flows through limestone

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<v Speaker 3>and creates a charl arch and it actually boosts the

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<v Speaker 3>energy of these temples. So we might have to duck

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<v Speaker 3>and into someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Might have to get some We had to jump out

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<v Speaker 2>of the rainfall. As I mentioned, we got hammered. We

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<v Speaker 2>had a torrential rain that lasted probably thirty minutes, and

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<v Speaker 2>by the time it was had ended, although we were

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<v Speaker 2>under some heavy coverage of trees, we were soaked to

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<v Speaker 2>the bone and h But within twenty minutes after that,

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<v Speaker 2>the group came back and we rejoined them and we

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<v Speaker 2>were walking around and it was funny because you just

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<v Speaker 2>dry out. And I had waterproof boots on, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was in good shape. But it's funny to be out

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<v Speaker 2>like that, you know, you don't typically stay out. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course I had left my rain jacketed back in

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel, and I didn't have a didn't have a umbrella,

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<v Speaker 2>had my hat though, in my waterproof backpack and my

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<v Speaker 2>shoes and so on. I was in pretty good shape. Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for this edition of Earth Ancients, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to remind you that I have taken a number

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<v Speaker 2>of photographs and there's others who have taken photographs that

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<v Speaker 2>I will post on the Facebook page. The museum sculptures

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<v Speaker 2>are fantastic. There's also some images of Elmador, the one

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<v Speaker 2>of the oldest sites around. I also want to mention

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a hell of a lot of confusion when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to Maya, and probably the biggest confusion is

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<v Speaker 2>there's two phases, the pre Classic, which covers over two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years. Excuse me over three Let me see two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand BC. Almost five thousand years is really the starting point.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what makes the the pre Classic so interesting? And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, there's a pre Classic, there's a middle

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<v Speaker 2>pre Classic, as a late pre Classic. These are pyramid builders.

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<v Speaker 2>These are very sophisticated engineers and architects and builders. They're

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who are building Elmador, some of the oldest

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<v Speaker 2>Maya sites in the world in Guatemala, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that they're much much older. They're always remember, they're using

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<v Speaker 2>carbon dating and they have to have organic material, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're finding material that's around pyramids and you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>layers as close to the surface as there. As their

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<v Speaker 2>determination of age, I think that this early period goes

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<v Speaker 2>back as far as the Ice Age, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>Plisticne period of twelve thousand plus years, and I'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>more about that another time. But these great cities are

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<v Speaker 2>significantly older than we think, and they have not deciphered

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<v Speaker 2>the lot of the writing of this first period. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that the second period, the Classic period, the writing

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<v Speaker 2>has been somewhat deciphered, but we don't hear about this.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the big confusion. There's a tremendous confusion

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the Maya. They are extremely complex,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always like to quote Ed Barnhard, who to

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<v Speaker 2>the miyais we know less than one percent about these people,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think it's really important to be more

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<v Speaker 2>speculative than determining, you know, what's right, what's wrong. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know like the wheel, like where do they get

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<v Speaker 2>their knowledge from? This is a very very old people

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<v Speaker 2>of his kidd and it's multi racial, multicultural, and extremely bright.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they're so bright we don't understand anything about them.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, I hope you enjoy that and check out

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<v Speaker 2>the Facebook page for more information on the ruins that

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<v Speaker 2>I've photographed. I want to mention that all Earth Ancients

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<v Speaker 2>We have a new tour coming up. It's our Grand

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<v Speaker 2>Egyptian Tour number seven, April twenty eight through May tenth.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a tour of the ancient megalithic parts of Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>But also we're gonna see the Grand Egyptian Museum. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to cruise on the Nile for about three days.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be We're gonna have great access to ancient sites, temples,

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<v Speaker 2>pyramids without the general public. For all the details, all

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for today's program. I want to thank all

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<v Speaker 2>my guests, including Israel and Frank and everybody who was

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<v Speaker 2>on the interview. That was fun and I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and

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<v Speaker 2>Feya Pavar. You guys rock, Happy New Year and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you real soon.