Speaker 1: Yeah, OK, I see what it means.
Speaker 2: No, those are some of the exotic wild birds that
Speaker 2: we encountered while we were in Guatemala, and I'll tell
Speaker 2: you some of the calls these birds were making were very,
Speaker 2: very full, full and unusual, as you can tell. I
Speaker 2: want to thank Frank Regalia for supplying that. Frank was
Speaker 2: along with us on this tour, and I gotta tell
Speaker 2: you it really made it an exotic venture to hear
Speaker 2: these birds constantly calling out and a little bit later
Speaker 2: we're here. Some monkeys and monkeys were everywhere among the
Speaker 2: trees and very much a part of the ruins. These
Speaker 2: exotic birds and the animals are very much a part
Speaker 2: of the ruins. I will also mention that we saw
Speaker 2: some spiders, and we saw a transula, and we saw
Speaker 2: on one of the entrances to I believe it was
Speaker 2: it might have been to call, but I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2: We saw a scorpion with a very long tail, and
Speaker 2: our guy was very making a point to identify this
Speaker 2: so that you can see what we were running into. This
Speaker 2: is the jungle. These are the things that we expect
Speaker 2: when we travel to other countries and we're in the forest,
Speaker 2: we're in the Amazon. We're in the jungle that these
Speaker 2: ruins are are part of. Hey, this is Cliff your
Speaker 2: host of Earth Agents, and today we are going to
Speaker 2: interview a couple of different archaeologists who are native to
Speaker 2: these areas. These are indigenous archaeologists, which I found not
Speaker 2: only refreshing but very very insightful. And these are short,
Speaker 2: ten twenty minute interviews that we were ganging together. And
Speaker 2: we also have a interview with Frank Rigola, who is
Speaker 2: with me on a tour that we did at t
Speaker 2: call when everybody went to lunch and we were like
Speaker 2: wanted to stick around a little bit longer. I think
Speaker 2: I had a big breakfast. We both probably had big
Speaker 2: breakfasts and felt the need to go running off to
Speaker 2: sit and have lunch unnecessary. And I will say this,
Speaker 2: when you're in the jungle, there's humidity which wasn't too bad,
Speaker 2: and there's We really honestly had some great weather. The
Speaker 2: average weather was about seventy five degrees, the average humidity
Speaker 2: was about twenty to thirty percent. It was not devastating,
Speaker 2: but you did feel it. Now. When we were in
Speaker 2: Guatamald City, the elevation was over five thousand feet I
Speaker 2: felt that I was very very aware of my breathing
Speaker 2: and I have mentioned this a couple of times that
Speaker 2: I and by the way, Brad Toy, I thank you again.
Speaker 2: Brad's been with us on a number of tours. He
Speaker 2: had just come back from Peru, and Peru's ten thousand
Speaker 2: plus feet above sea level, very very high up. I
Speaker 2: think you went to Machua Picha, which is like fourteen
Speaker 2: thousand feet. But what they do there is they have
Speaker 2: candies and other items that have coca leave, and what
Speaker 2: happens is you chew and you dissolve one of these
Speaker 2: lozenges in your mouth and your body become acclimates to
Speaker 2: the elevation. And for me, it's not so much during
Speaker 2: the day that I fill a problem, although you're winded
Speaker 2: sooner than normal, it's at nighttime that it's really a
Speaker 2: problem because you're trying to rest, you're trying to sleep comfortably,
Speaker 2: and I found myself fighting for air. It's very, very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I'm hyper sensitive to anything that has to do with oxygen.
Speaker 2: I've always been that way, and years ago, when I
Speaker 2: used to travel for business, I had trouble with the
Speaker 2: planes because they didn't have hepa filters. They didn't have
Speaker 2: the cleaning filters that they have now on airplanes, and
Speaker 2: so I didn't enjoy flying. And I've always had a
Speaker 2: problem with elevation too. So anyhow, when you are chewing
Speaker 2: or dissolving one of these these coca leaf candies in
Speaker 2: your mouth, you're slowly feeling better and better. And luckily
Speaker 2: for me, I was Brad had like ten or twelve
Speaker 2: of these these little candies that he had brought over
Speaker 2: from Beru. Man did they make a difference, And I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm highly doubt they're they're legal in the States. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I hadn't even left by the time
Speaker 2: we were done, But man, do they make a difference.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, the conditions were pretty good. Now I was
Speaker 2: lucky because when we flew from Guatemala City into Flores
Speaker 2: where te call is and these other sites, it's almost
Speaker 2: at sea level. So I was in great shape. That
Speaker 2: was an amazing shape and climbed around Now I did,
Speaker 2: and this is very rare, and I can't remember if
Speaker 2: I mentioned this on Destiny, but I was climbing a pyramid,
Speaker 2: which is just They're just gorgeous and well designed pyramids.
Speaker 2: And t call. But I was climbing a pyramid and
Speaker 2: I slept on one of the trails and I fell
Speaker 2: on my hand, dislocated my little finger popped it back in.
Speaker 2: But later I had a lot of bruising and I
Speaker 2: discovered I had fractured the finger, and so I just
Speaker 2: banned it up and recently had an X ray and yeah,
Speaker 2: I have a hairline fracture. I'm wearing a splint on
Speaker 2: my hand right now. So I'm feeling much better and
Speaker 2: I have a couple of weeks. Went to the doctor. Said,
Speaker 2: are you gotta have to mobilize that figure, buddy? I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, I'll mobilize it. But no, it was great.
Speaker 2: That was the only thing that happened to me. That's
Speaker 2: the first time I've had a problem like that. We
Speaker 2: were in the rainy season and so everything was slick
Speaker 2: and you had to really keep an eye on things.
Speaker 2: So there you go, that happened to me. But today's
Speaker 2: program is a short vignette of interviews, one with an
Speaker 2: archaeologist named Israel and he was fabulous and he was
Speaker 2: our tour guide for Tikal, and you're gonna hear some
Speaker 2: unusual things regarding the energy and the sockbies. This is
Speaker 2: a short program today because we didn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of time to interview, but you're gonna hear some interesting
Speaker 2: ideas and most notably the energetics of these places. What
Speaker 2: is happening with tulluric energy. And it's interesting how the
Speaker 2: academics in northern North America are very hesitant to talk
Speaker 2: about these things. It's just not part of their nature.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna hear some fun stuff today. So today's
Speaker 2: program is Observations and Insights from TICLL Guatemala, and we
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Speaker 2: the first interview is with Israel or Throw. He is
Speaker 2: a indied Genus archaeologist. Was also a tour guide, and
Speaker 2: I'm asking him when we were walking through to call
Speaker 2: specific questions. I'd never been there before, and one of
Speaker 2: the things that I thought was fascinating is that they
Speaker 2: had design living apartments and living quarters close to the
Speaker 2: civic area. I guess it makes sense because it's close
Speaker 2: to where ceremonies were done. But you are higher up
Speaker 2: in these apartments looking down into the civic area, and
Speaker 2: I was curious about how they were designed and built,
Speaker 2: and so I'm asking Israel about these designs. And this
Speaker 2: is the first part of this interview. We have just
Speaker 2: descended to call and when I'm here with our to
Speaker 2: our guide Israel, and he has shown as some of
Speaker 2: the most amazing apartments which I didn't realize where close
Speaker 2: to the civic area where the main pyramids are. Israel, welcome,
Speaker 2: thank you for being our guide.
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure for me showing a part of my
Speaker 1: culture right here, like culture is still a line Malin.
Speaker 1: Right here we are visiting the huge capital city and
Speaker 1: the Mayan war that is Tikal, and I already show
Speaker 1: you part of the apartments of the Mayans. It was
Speaker 1: really nice. So there already built big structure like this
Speaker 1: made by limestone.
Speaker 2: How long have you been an archaeologist and what did
Speaker 2: you what was your interest in becoming an archaeologist.
Speaker 1: It was really interesting. I know about the history of
Speaker 1: my own sisters. Also I tried to find like a
Speaker 1: connection with another civilization around the world. It was the
Speaker 1: specific ones like a catch to us and Mayans right here.
Speaker 1: Everybody believes in somebody comes from the heaven and give
Speaker 1: you the knowledge. It's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a regular tour guide. What are the if
Speaker 2: do you take scientific tours or just general public?
Speaker 1: It's just like.
Speaker 2: Sorry, general tours, just basic public general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I work like a freelance, you know, freelance freelance. Yes,
Speaker 1: I tried to show you as part of the archeologies
Speaker 1: history flora and founder right here.
Speaker 2: And when you went to school to becoming archeologist, were
Speaker 2: you interested to work specifically at t Call or all
Speaker 2: the myocytes.
Speaker 1: All the mind sides are really interesting on all that.
Speaker 2: So how old is t Call? Do we know?
Speaker 1: Yes, we are talking the first evidence around a hundred BC,
Speaker 1: but like it was like a organic evidence. But the
Speaker 1: first date on the mine ward it was two hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety two was carbon and estella and stones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was specific the estella twenty nine. One of the
Speaker 1: first rulers was carved and this kind of stone.
Speaker 2: First ruler yeah.
Speaker 1: Jack talk. It was the fourteen ruler in the Mayan dynasty,
Speaker 1: but was one of the first one where we know.
Speaker 2: And do we have the tomb of this first king.
Speaker 1: No, here we have an important tomb. It was found
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two. It was inside of the temple
Speaker 1: number one. The skeleton of this human It was one
Speaker 1: point eight meters.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's tall.
Speaker 1: It was tall. It was decorated by sixteen pounds of
Speaker 1: j eight.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, so it's very important.
Speaker 1: It was very important. It was the ruler twenty six.
Speaker 1: This guy take over like the dominion of this area,
Speaker 1: and everything was good for Tika.
Speaker 2: You see a warlord. So he went out and purposefully
Speaker 2: fought the smaller groups.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, m hm. And this period was built temple one, two, three,
Speaker 1: and four, the highest one and call.
Speaker 2: So when we look at that, we're facing the temple two.
Speaker 2: Uh did they carve the or did they excavate the
Speaker 2: interior of it to see what's inside?
Speaker 1: Yes, there already been some tunnels, but they didn't fight
Speaker 1: like nobody's nobody's Why would they build such.
Speaker 2: A huge temple Israel? I mean it just a huge undertaking,
Speaker 2: many man hours, many bits of concrete, and ye, why
Speaker 2: would they build such a huge temple?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They already used to represent a special mountain mountain
Speaker 1: like mountain sacred mountain. Season in my own language. They
Speaker 1: used to build temples like this, and the top of
Speaker 1: this temple there's a little door. It's gonna be the
Speaker 1: interest to the underward, like at the perfect donation with
Speaker 1: the three specific levels. Ah, the Mayan cosmos used to
Speaker 1: believe in upper word they heaven. And also the middle
Speaker 1: is gonna be the early and this pyramid in size
Speaker 1: is gonna be connected also to the underworld. So they
Speaker 1: used to represent like the interior of the case, inside
Speaker 1: of the temple.
Speaker 2: So by building this artificial temple pyramid, they're trying to
Speaker 2: create a natural mountain exactly they used to. So it's
Speaker 2: a sacred mountains, sacred mountain. Now one of my big
Speaker 2: things is to natural gravitational energy. Have they done any
Speaker 2: kind of testing to see if there's talleric fields or
Speaker 2: energy coming out of these pyramids?
Speaker 1: Oh, they didn't, But there's something that specificing right here.
Speaker 1: You can feel that. You don't need like any like machines, machines,
Speaker 1: You can just came here and you can feel that.
Speaker 2: Tell me about that as a native of this area.
Speaker 2: What does it feel like when you when you walk
Speaker 2: with the teple, Does it feel like light? Does it
Speaker 2: feel heavy? How does it feel.
Speaker 1: It feels like heavy energy when you came here in
Speaker 1: the many Plaszta. You can just close your eyes, you
Speaker 1: can feel that.
Speaker 2: So seeing in the plaza standing in the middle or
Speaker 2: closer to the pyrad came you.
Speaker 1: Came here, and you feel that because it's like it
Speaker 1: was building the middle of the.
Speaker 2: Aqueducts water systems.
Speaker 1: No, no, it was like they said, right here was
Speaker 1: like a strategy point because they could collect the energy here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are they collecting the energy? And then in
Speaker 2: the plazas, Oh, so people would stand in the middle.
Speaker 1: Was like yeah, they made like ceremonies like retails right here.
Speaker 1: So you can feel that, you know, staying in like
Speaker 1: an ancient place covered by trees around the temples. And
Speaker 1: also it's very interesting, you know, the energy when you
Speaker 1: came here.
Speaker 2: So talk about the understanding archaeologically, do they use equipment
Speaker 2: to measure the energy or is it more indigenous understanding
Speaker 2: The people who are here for thousands of years, they
Speaker 2: are the ones who understand. Yeah, so we talk about
Speaker 2: it because you said your grandmother was kind of a
Speaker 2: not a shaman, but was she a daykeeper?
Speaker 1: She she was, and practice in the natural medicine her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you use the plants and herbs to you know.
Speaker 2: Talk about your grandmother. What what how did she learn
Speaker 2: the art of her herb collection?
Speaker 1: It was she she was also originated from this area,
Speaker 1: but she came here very early when she was younger,
Speaker 1: and the people her hero is still this is the
Speaker 1: natural medicine, and she'll learned that it was not like
Speaker 1: exactly my understandance, but she'll learned, you were burned around
Speaker 1: people who practice in my natural medicine.
Speaker 2: So she was a medicine keeper, a medicine woman. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it is that people would call her for. Was
Speaker 2: she delivering babies?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's what's the word for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's co maderna in Spanish, co maderna. They're gonna
Speaker 1: help use like a steambat.
Speaker 2: So she was a natural healer. Yeah, wow, amazing. Talk
Speaker 2: about the steely over there, what do those represent? Are
Speaker 2: those the markers of kings or do they have dates
Speaker 2: on the steely?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They have dates an important history. But the Maya
Speaker 1: was found in the stellas. They come from the Greek memories,
Speaker 1: so they print the memories and the stellas the Stanley
Speaker 1: stones and in front of this one that you can't
Speaker 1: see like rona stones. It was to put the offerings
Speaker 1: rid the offerings, the offerings. Yeah, we made a analogy
Speaker 1: about the Catholic chart. It was easy to understand, how
Speaker 1: words that the memories of somebody and you can put
Speaker 1: in front of them the things that they used to
Speaker 1: like write when he was alive. Oh, chocolate, tobacco, candles, chocolate, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, it was the It was also a sacred
Speaker 1: beverage for the Mayans. We have found evidence and the
Speaker 1: basis of them rest of cacao or chocolate. That was
Speaker 1: the first name who has the roller roller sixty twenty
Speaker 1: six parton mister chocolats it was, Yeah, it was the
Speaker 1: important ruler here twenty six rulers of the cow. It
Speaker 1: was mister Chocolate. In honor of his wife. He built
Speaker 1: the temple number two, the mask temple right here.
Speaker 2: So it was he trading cocaal uh in commerce with other.
Speaker 1: Groups or exactly.
Speaker 2: Also he cultivated the best chocolate. Yeah, that's what they
Speaker 2: call it.
Speaker 1: No, they have like a specific symbol of chocolate. There's
Speaker 1: like the fruit is cooded on the health and you
Speaker 1: can see the little scene inside and was found skulper.
Speaker 1: And the stella also is mister chocolate. Mister it was
Speaker 1: representing and this is stella. That's why the archeologists put
Speaker 1: the second name. The first was now like a mister
Speaker 1: ruler e was that one of the first and then
Speaker 1: gonna know like mister chocolating.
Speaker 2: Mister chocolay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they put another name, rights Will when
Speaker 1: they tried to find a meaning of the symbols, because
Speaker 1: they might have like a very complex hieroglyphics, hieroglyphics.
Speaker 2: Ah wow, So did you guys find any of his
Speaker 2: chocolate residue in his grape? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And they also carbon in the stone and also some
Speaker 1: like evidence organic evidence in the basis.
Speaker 2: And when they were drinking the chocolate where they add
Speaker 2: sugar or honey or nothing.
Speaker 1: They don't have Probably they have honey because the natural
Speaker 1: one the cane came here later.
Speaker 2: No sugar cane, not sugar cane here.
Speaker 1: Also no plain things. So you want to ask about
Speaker 1: like a traditional dish and Guatemala likea breakfast, it's going
Speaker 1: to be just like a natural eggs from the hands,
Speaker 1: natural eggs and black beans, no cheese because they don't
Speaker 1: have no cow cows here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking real quickly about this socbee. Have they found
Speaker 2: the wheel here because the sockbee is are super highways.
Speaker 1: No, they're found like the system of the stone around
Speaker 1: the stone. But they don't use like a like a
Speaker 1: wheels in the museums.
Speaker 2: There's toys of wheels. They because there's no one's found
Speaker 2: a grave, yes site with a wagon yet, but they
Speaker 2: just think they had a wheel.
Speaker 1: They used to represent it like the wrong ones. But
Speaker 1: gonna be like a cycles, just cycles.
Speaker 2: Uh okay, all right, thank you, gotta let you go.
Speaker 2: We'll come back to you in a minute. Yeah. This
Speaker 2: is a short question that I asked Israel when we
Speaker 2: were at Yasha, which is this fabulous smaller city. But
Speaker 2: the pyramids were gorgeous, very very old, thousands of years old,
Speaker 2: couple thousand years old, excuse me, more than a couple
Speaker 2: of thousand, and by the way, go to their Facebook
Speaker 2: page to see these images of these pyramids because they're gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I actually took a nosedive at Yasha and hurt my finger,
Speaker 2: but I probably wasn't paid attention. I wasn't paid attention
Speaker 2: to the stairs and the trail leading to these pyramids.
Speaker 2: So this is a question to Israel again regarding the
Speaker 2: excavation of pyramids in Guatemala. I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me know.
Speaker 2: So I'm here in Yesha, and I'm asking Israel about
Speaker 2: the archaeology. Who makes the decision on excavating the pyramids
Speaker 2: if they find a big pyramid? Is it the government
Speaker 2: or is there a local group of archaeologists who determine
Speaker 2: which permit to excavate.
Speaker 1: It was the bold things in the resident of some
Speaker 1: archeologies and the government they give the permit to dig
Speaker 1: and investigate for like ten years ago. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: now it's no more excavation.
Speaker 2: No excavations happening right now. And why is that government's
Speaker 2: not stable or.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're going to be. They're going to spend a
Speaker 1: lot of money in you know, the restoration of the
Speaker 1: structure is going to be expensive, but later you must
Speaker 1: to protect the services because many of the material it
Speaker 1: is limestone, right yeah, it's going to be have a
Speaker 1: damage of the elements.
Speaker 2: Right Oh well yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So they
Speaker 2: don't do right now, there's no excavations of any major
Speaker 2: quatumal in sites.
Speaker 1: Only in Elemia, though they are still doing some like projects.
Speaker 1: Nothing no, tkall, no Yashah, only next to the island
Speaker 1: of Florist.
Speaker 2: So and you're thinking, what if an American company who
Speaker 2: like Elon muskm billionaire, said I'm going to give you
Speaker 2: ten million dollars to excavate, would that happen? Would that
Speaker 2: be something that would be good to do or that
Speaker 2: would yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some prev So there's something churlated from Guatemala.
Speaker 1: Some from Germany US who want to escavate is to investigate,
Speaker 1: who expose and protect some areas. But they need money.
Speaker 2: They have to have money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need money, and here the government don't take care. Really,
Speaker 1: that's that's true. That's not but it's true.
Speaker 2: So so if somebody rich American said I have ten
Speaker 2: million dollars to excavate.
Speaker 1: This area, and yeah, yeah it will be it will.
Speaker 2: They could do it? They can do it, you think
Speaker 2: so they wouldn't say no, you're an Americano. No, that's
Speaker 2: pretty good, that's yeah okay. And the problem is that
Speaker 2: it takes a long time to excavate too, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The last provident tical was they spent six years
Speaker 1: escavating in a seven temple plaza. They spent six years
Speaker 1: from twenty oh four up to twenty ten, and they
Speaker 1: exposed just I think ten percent of this.
Speaker 2: How much did that cos it costs a couple of million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how many, but it was
Speaker 1: much a lot of money, A lot of money, all right,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: One of my perpetual problems with archaeology, and we've had
Speaker 2: Richard Hanson on this program as well as uh Ed
Speaker 2: Barnhardt and a few other archaeologists. They simply cannot conceive
Speaker 2: of the Maya having invented the wheel. And my problem
Speaker 2: with this, and you know, I as I talked to
Speaker 2: Hanson about this, he's kind of perplexed as well as
Speaker 2: and he's written a number of papers on the causeways,
Speaker 2: the huge sacbies that run all through Elmador and through
Speaker 2: the Guatemalan biosphere. I mean miles and hundreds of miles
Speaker 2: of these perfectly level monstrosities of highways, and yet they
Speaker 2: cannot conceive of the wheel. Now, my whole issue with
Speaker 2: this is that if you go to museums Maya museums
Speaker 2: or missile American museums, the wheel is very prevalent and
Speaker 2: obvious in the toys. They have toys with wheels, and
Speaker 2: the other thing is you can see stone wheels. We
Speaker 2: don't know what they were used for. But is it
Speaker 2: possible that we just don't have any evidence of wheels
Speaker 2: simply because they haven't been found. It's just so hard
Speaker 2: to deal with. But here I am in Yashiel again
Speaker 2: with Israel, asking him about the causeways that we find
Speaker 2: in that part of the world. We're going to take
Speaker 2: a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves,
Speaker 2: and we will return shortly with my variety of guests
Speaker 2: today discussing observations and insights at Tica, Guatemala. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back well, speaking with a variety of guests today
Speaker 2: on our program which is highlighting my trip to Guatemala
Speaker 2: in Central America. This is the first time Earth Asians
Speaker 2: has done a tour in this area, and we sell
Speaker 2: some outstanding pyramids, temples and standing Maya ruins. So I
Speaker 2: want to know a little bit about the causeways. Talk
Speaker 2: about this causeway where are we right now?
Speaker 1: Right now, the north part of Jesha and the center
Speaker 1: of the city is linked by causeway the Maya used for,
Speaker 1: you know, moving between the cities.
Speaker 2: And let's admit it that archaeologists don't believe that the
Speaker 2: Maya had the will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very crazy. We're kind of.
Speaker 2: Crazy, huge highways, beautifully cut level. But the archaeologists do
Speaker 2: not believe that they've the Maya had a wheel. But
Speaker 2: what do we know about the who constructed? And how
Speaker 2: old is this sockb here?
Speaker 1: Well, the first evidence of the sackbit right here is
Speaker 1: four hundred BC. Wow, huge ones, we are talking about
Speaker 1: this one. The Noracropolis is one hundred and twenty meters huge. Huge, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's that's crazy because they must used something to
Speaker 1: move and it's yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Gotta we gotta find a king's grave with a big wheel.
Speaker 2: Because the museums are filled with children's toys that have wheels.
Speaker 2: So how do you explain that we have toys that
Speaker 2: have wheels? They knew those.
Speaker 1: That's it's possible to find any news on some toys
Speaker 1: and like ancient toys that they may use for playing, right,
Speaker 1: they use the term of circle, they use altars, they
Speaker 1: use rings on the ball course, So why didn't use
Speaker 1: their wills to make like mechanics roll?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, So something is up because they can't conceive
Speaker 2: the archaeologists can't conceive of the Maya having a will.
Speaker 2: But with these amazing super highways the way maya arose
Speaker 2: the sock piece, they must have been using will the things.
Speaker 1: That's my point of view. They try to believe on
Speaker 1: the allience came and visit us and build everything using
Speaker 1: laser and stuff. They don't believe in the like an
Speaker 1: evolution of the engineers, like the knowledge of the people. Right,
Speaker 1: humans are always evolution stop ingenious ingenious?
Speaker 2: Right? So how long does the sockbee go? How meters
Speaker 2: from the one temple to the next.
Speaker 1: Uh? This one has like meta like one one to
Speaker 1: two meters, but in Mita door to they have a
Speaker 1: huge one like a kilometers of zagba connected linked by
Speaker 1: the city of.
Speaker 2: Wow Blad proof of the game. Okay, thank you, I'll
Speaker 2: come back to you in a minute. This last portion
Speaker 2: is with Frank Rogala and myself at Ti Cal Guatemala,
Speaker 2: who decided to stay behind and subsequently got caught in
Speaker 2: a real powerful rainstorm. I mean it was coming down really,
Speaker 2: really hard, and luckily we were under a tree. There
Speaker 2: was a city in area under a tree, so we
Speaker 2: wanted to get into wet. But it was quite a
Speaker 2: sight and quite a sensation because it was warm and
Speaker 2: the water was you know, it was hot, not hot,
Speaker 2: but it was warm water coming down. We were soaked
Speaker 2: through our clothing to our skin and we could just
Speaker 2: sit there and just you know, do the best we
Speaker 2: can to be covered by the tree. But I was
Speaker 2: asking Frank his observation of these pyramids, and what he
Speaker 2: suspected was tolluric energy emitted at different frequencies at different times.
Speaker 2: So we're taking a break. We're here still at the
Speaker 2: PA Civic area, the central portion of Teka, and it's
Speaker 2: a stonework masterpiece of multiple pyramids, smaller pyramids still out,
Speaker 2: these standing stones that are markers for king, important dates
Speaker 2: and other details about the history of Tica. And we're
Speaker 2: with Frank. Frank's been with us for since the beginning
Speaker 2: of the tour. But Frank, what do you think about
Speaker 2: this place? How do you feel about it? As somebody
Speaker 2: who's an observer who also has his podcast. Give us
Speaker 2: the name of your podcast.
Speaker 3: Again, Mortals of Earth, Mortals of Earth. And this is
Speaker 3: my third trip with you, Cliff, and I always seem
Speaker 3: to go to fascinating, interesting places with you. Everything about
Speaker 3: this screams that there's pre cataclysmic roots because there's we are.
Speaker 3: We have our experts with us, you know, doctor Lydia
Speaker 3: de Leon and Arturo, and they were talking to us
Speaker 3: about how all the geometry and the ratios here are
Speaker 3: tied to five, as are all the temples actually globally,
Speaker 3: which is really an incredible non coincident. And one of
Speaker 3: the artwork reliefs that they showed us that was just
Speaker 3: a portion of I guess what the entire relief was.
Speaker 3: Previously showed a priest and he was rowing a boat
Speaker 3: and there was a volcano in the background, people drowning.
Speaker 3: They had a fish in the water to show it
Speaker 3: was a fish, and it was like a temple with
Speaker 3: blocks falling off at the background to kind of show
Speaker 3: you a cataclysm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked just like a pyramid, like a steep
Speaker 3: one like this, we're steering. We're staring at a pyramid
Speaker 3: here that is an incredibly steep slope on it. I
Speaker 3: don't know the name of that particular one, but what
Speaker 3: strikes me here is we're in the middle of a
Speaker 3: jungle and we were getting some statistics on how much
Speaker 3: money it costs just to keep these things from being
Speaker 3: destroyed and degraded by the environment. Here I guess it's
Speaker 3: the million building one million.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm taking a second here to chew a power bar.
Speaker 2: And i gotta tell you I'm not in the best
Speaker 2: of shape. I try to keep in fairly good shape,
Speaker 2: but the humidity and the amount of walking you had
Speaker 2: to get up and down, You've got to be in
Speaker 2: some kind of decent shape to come to Tiko. And
Speaker 2: I say that for the most part because for years
Speaker 2: I've concentrated on the Maya of the Yucatan Peninsula, and
Speaker 2: that's fairly flat. You walk into shit younitsa ushmol coba
Speaker 2: Ekblomso on no hills. This place is built on hills.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is fascinating is is an engineering phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Everything is artificial retaining walls. Everything's built like we're on
Speaker 2: a massive retaining wall that is supporting these huge pyramids.
Speaker 2: I have no idea how much they weigh, but it's
Speaker 2: in the hundreds of tons, I'm sure. But it's very
Speaker 2: elegantly laid out. And this is the thing about the
Speaker 2: Maya is that they're not just putting up pyramids. And
Speaker 2: by the way, to erect a pyramid is an engineering
Speaker 2: feat You're talking about huge amounts of weight stacked upon
Speaker 2: stacked upon, stacked on stack, and you can't just half asset.
Speaker 2: You've got to understand the surface features the ground underneath.
Speaker 2: And this is why I think, and I haven't really
Speaker 2: heard a great deal about it, that they were brilliant engineers.
Speaker 2: You can't just put up a retaining wall and stick
Speaker 2: a pyramid on it or a temple. It has to
Speaker 2: be engineered. And I think the reason that they were
Speaker 2: a master's that putting up retaining walls is they want
Speaker 2: to ensure the stability of their pyramid. So what do
Speaker 2: you think about that? By the way, what do you
Speaker 2: think of this retaining wall theory?
Speaker 3: Well, you're exactly right. I have to say that one
Speaker 3: of the reasons I wanted to come on this particular
Speaker 3: expedition with us because I know that the Mayan and
Speaker 3: their traditions and history are a particular interest of yours.
Speaker 3: And you have such a wide range of sources and
Speaker 3: authors and people that you've been exposed to that I
Speaker 3: knew would be something special to come with you. But
Speaker 3: I you know, when you when you see the Egyptian
Speaker 3: pyramids they had they could most locally source you know, uh,
Speaker 3: granite stone. This is a completely different environment here, Like
Speaker 3: I walked barefoot mostly here, and the soils here are
Speaker 3: very a lot of clay and uh it's a real slippery,
Speaker 3: uh you know, jungle environment. So the in fact this
Speaker 3: limestone and the stones that they have here, it would
Speaker 3: be interesting to to I don't know if we could
Speaker 3: find it in the jungle to see how it was
Speaker 3: quarried and how how far they transported it because you're
Speaker 3: you're uh. Basically their technique was to do a retaining
Speaker 3: wall and then do an infill, and and it was
Speaker 3: done over generations. They showed us that, uh, they've got
Speaker 3: technology to show that they did smaller ones and then
Speaker 3: they would build another one over it. But there would
Speaker 3: be a greater overplan for these huge mecha plazas of
Speaker 3: these pyramids that there's a we're with a couple of
Speaker 3: researchers that do that have scientifically measured the energies, the radiation,
Speaker 3: the geology, the hydrology, all of the things that make
Speaker 3: these sacred sites interesting because they're placed in specific points
Speaker 3: where there's a an energy that comes up in the
Speaker 3: pyramid directs it into a longitudinal energy, which makes the
Speaker 3: peaks of them very special because are if you're not
Speaker 3: feeling well, if you're sick, if you're We're a big
Speaker 3: body of electromagnetic energy and it becomes incoherent. And if
Speaker 3: you're in the presence of a coherent waveform, you'll cohere
Speaker 3: to it. So just being around in these places where
Speaker 3: the energy has been directed into a coherent longitudinal wave
Speaker 3: is going to have effects. And these are ruins and
Speaker 3: even so a sensitive people can feel it. They said
Speaker 3: that their priests uh went out and found this place
Speaker 3: and decided to put it here. And if you can imagine,
Speaker 3: like you know, the humidity Clip was talking about, and
Speaker 3: the the clay soils, and there isn't it isn't like
Speaker 3: the they had they could truck things from far away.
Speaker 3: They had to make use of what was here. So
Speaker 3: there was something very specific and special about this environment.
Speaker 3: The soils were so poor. They had tens of thousands
Speaker 3: of people living here. They had to manufacture their own
Speaker 3: agricultural areas and their own soils, which are still being
Speaker 3: studied today. They the last I heard, they haven't figured
Speaker 3: out how to recreate these uh. These these mayan fertile soils,
Speaker 3: and that a lot of the trees they can actually
Speaker 3: now proved that they weren't indigenous, they were actually planted
Speaker 3: specifically for the use of people.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. But one of the things that
Speaker 2: you missed out, Frank, was that Israel when I asked
Speaker 2: him about the Tulleric energy he acknowledged it and his family,
Speaker 2: which is for an archaeologist to acknowledge Tuleric energy fields,
Speaker 2: that's a big deal. He also says that in the morning,
Speaker 2: when you come here and you stand in the civic area,
Speaker 2: you feel the energy lifting and as the sun rises higher,
Speaker 2: it diminishes. So that's a pretty big announcement. I was
Speaker 2: shocked that he would say that, but he did, and
Speaker 2: so that is. Of course he's an indigenous archaeologist, which
Speaker 2: is fantastic. But I mean, I'm gonna print that in
Speaker 2: as many places as I can because I would never
Speaker 2: hear from an American archaeologist or anthropologist admits something like that.
Speaker 2: So what do you think of that?
Speaker 3: Well, this morning was doctor Laity was giving us a
Speaker 3: presentation and they The one thing fascinated me about them
Speaker 3: is they've actually got scientific methods now of measuring these
Speaker 3: energies that people used to always go, oh, it's woo woo,
Speaker 3: you know, oh their tombs. Oh it's a ceremonial place. Oh,
Speaker 3: it was for their gods. And their book is called
Speaker 3: The Power of Sacred Location. And as far as I know,
Speaker 3: it's the first time that anybody was ever able to
Speaker 3: scientifically analyze all of these spots and energies. And they
Speaker 3: went as far as like medical records of populations in areas,
Speaker 3: like everybody in this area is getting cancer, and everybody
Speaker 3: over here is really industrious, and people over here are depressed.
Speaker 3: And then going down to their the electrical electromagnetic energy
Speaker 3: that was emanating from those spots and so actually we're
Speaker 3: going to just like a little bit of a sprinkle here.
Speaker 3: And they were telling us that it's really special when
Speaker 3: you get rain here because when water flows through limestone
Speaker 3: and creates a charl arch and it actually boosts the
Speaker 3: energy of these temples. So we might have to duck
Speaker 3: and into someone.
Speaker 2: Might have to get some We had to jump out
Speaker 2: of the rainfall. As I mentioned, we got hammered. We
Speaker 2: had a torrential rain that lasted probably thirty minutes, and
Speaker 2: by the time it was had ended, although we were
Speaker 2: under some heavy coverage of trees, we were soaked to
Speaker 2: the bone and h But within twenty minutes after that,
Speaker 2: the group came back and we rejoined them and we
Speaker 2: were walking around and it was funny because you just
Speaker 2: dry out. And I had waterproof boots on, so it
Speaker 2: was in good shape. But it's funny to be out
Speaker 2: like that, you know, you don't typically stay out. And
Speaker 2: of course I had left my rain jacketed back in
Speaker 2: the hotel, and I didn't have a didn't have a umbrella,
Speaker 2: had my hat though, in my waterproof backpack and my
Speaker 2: shoes and so on. I was in pretty good shape. Anyhow,
Speaker 2: that's it for this edition of Earth Ancients, and I
Speaker 2: want to remind you that I have taken a number
Speaker 2: of photographs and there's others who have taken photographs that
Speaker 2: I will post on the Facebook page. The museum sculptures
Speaker 2: are fantastic. There's also some images of Elmador, the one
Speaker 2: of the oldest sites around. I also want to mention
Speaker 2: that there's a hell of a lot of confusion when
Speaker 2: it comes to Maya, and probably the biggest confusion is
Speaker 2: there's two phases, the pre Classic, which covers over two
Speaker 2: thousand years. Excuse me over three Let me see two
Speaker 2: thousand BC. Almost five thousand years is really the starting point.
Speaker 2: Now what makes the the pre Classic so interesting? And
Speaker 2: by the way, there's a pre Classic, there's a middle
Speaker 2: pre Classic, as a late pre Classic. These are pyramid builders.
Speaker 2: These are very sophisticated engineers and architects and builders. They're
Speaker 2: the ones who are building Elmador, some of the oldest
Speaker 2: Maya sites in the world in Guatemala, and I think
Speaker 2: that they're much much older. They're always remember, they're using
Speaker 2: carbon dating and they have to have organic material, so
Speaker 2: they're finding material that's around pyramids and you know, and
Speaker 2: layers as close to the surface as there. As their
Speaker 2: determination of age, I think that this early period goes
Speaker 2: back as far as the Ice Age, which is the
Speaker 2: Plisticne period of twelve thousand plus years, and I'll talk
Speaker 2: more about that another time. But these great cities are
Speaker 2: significantly older than we think, and they have not deciphered
Speaker 2: the lot of the writing of this first period. We
Speaker 2: know that the second period, the Classic period, the writing
Speaker 2: has been somewhat deciphered, but we don't hear about this.
Speaker 2: And this is the big confusion. There's a tremendous confusion
Speaker 2: when it comes to the Maya. They are extremely complex,
Speaker 2: and I always like to quote Ed Barnhard, who to
Speaker 2: the miyais we know less than one percent about these people,
Speaker 2: and so I think it's really important to be more
Speaker 2: speculative than determining, you know, what's right, what's wrong. We
Speaker 2: don't know like the wheel, like where do they get
Speaker 2: their knowledge from? This is a very very old people
Speaker 2: of his kidd and it's multi racial, multicultural, and extremely bright.
Speaker 2: In fact, they're so bright we don't understand anything about them.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, I hope you enjoy that and check out
Speaker 2: the Facebook page for more information on the ruins that
Speaker 2: I've photographed. I want to mention that all Earth Ancients
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Speaker 2: that's it for today's program. I want to thank all
Speaker 2: my guests, including Israel and Frank and everybody who was
Speaker 2: on the interview. That was fun and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: There's always the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and
Speaker 2: Feya Pavar. You guys rock, Happy New Year and we'll
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