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Speaker 1: This is Lane Wolf from Westfield, New York.

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Speaker 2: Sit tight, hold the fort, and keep the home fires

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burden for the shrily You Can't Be Series podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious podcasts. Just when you thought it was safe

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to go back in the water, you thought we were

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done with nerds after our last matchup of Animal House

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versus Revenge of the Nerds. No, we're back with more nerds,

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but this time it's nerd rock ladies and gentlemen. I

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am here with my co host mister Jason Colvin and

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our special guest host James Buckley to talk about Weezer

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and the Blue Album.

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Speaker 3: We have three nerds here to talk about the Blue

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Album from Weezer.

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Speaker 1: We are nerds now that nerd being a nerd is cool,

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yea right. But back in the back in the eighties,

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when these guys were nerds, it was it was not

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a name that you wanted.

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Speaker 3: We are about to spend the next five weeks in

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nineteen ninety four. I'm really excited to do this. Ninety

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four was a huge year for pop culture. You had albums,

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you had great movies, you had the White Bronco Chase

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you had, you had tons of incredible stuff in ninety four,

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And we're gonna spend five weeks in ninety four breaking

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down five iconic albums from that year. And for this one,

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we invited our fellow nerd James Buckley to break down

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Wheezer the Blue Album with us. James, how you doing, man.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing wonderful. You look like a little bit like

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Buddy Holly in his glasses.

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Speaker 4: And you're Mary Tyler Moore?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Was it the hair that gave it away?

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to apologize now as we

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go through because we could only pick five and feel

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good about ourselves. But the year nineteen ninety four, if

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you just look at the albums that came out that year,

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it will blow your mind. Here are some albums that

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we will not be covering unless there's like people at

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the gates banging like a battery saying you must do

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these albums. But like Oasis came out in nineteen ninety four,

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Sound Garden, super Unknown, nine Inch Nails, Portous, Head Beck, Pearl,

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jam stp Allison, Chains ra Em, The Cranberry's, The Offspring, Toady's.

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All of these guys had fantastic albums that came out

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in nineteen ninety four. You're I graduated from high school,

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by the way, and I am jazzed to talk about

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the five that we're going to talk about. Did you

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cover what five we're hitting?

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Speaker 3: We are going to talk about Weezer's The Blue Album.

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We're covering Throwing Copper by Live, We're covering The Blue

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Album by Collective Soul, We're covering Dookie by Green Day,

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and we're covering sixteen Stone by Bush. Five classic albums.

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We're gonna just set up a tent and live in

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ninety four for.

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Speaker 1: A little bit. I don't mind camping out there.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've got some ninety four events just kind of

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put us in the mood for what was going on

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in ninety four. Okay, So the Weezer album, The Blue Album,

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was released May tenth, nineteen ninety four. That's their debut album.

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So here's what's going on in ninety four.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: January seventh, hen Cy Kerrigan was attacked by an unknown

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to sailant where he whacked her in the knee, and

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it turns out it had some connections to this.

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Speaker 4: Lady named Tanya Harding. You may remember that.

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Speaker 3: On January twenty first of ninety four, Lorena Bobbitt was

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found temporarily insane. If you know, you know right, March

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fourth of nineteen ninety four, John Candy passes away. April

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fifth of ninety four, Kurt Cobain commits suicide. April nineteenth

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of ninety four, Rodney King has awarded three point eight

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million dollars. And then on June seventeenth of ninety four,

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you have the White Bronco chase.

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Speaker 4: But I will tell you this.

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Speaker 3: On May tenth of ninety four, same day this album

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was released, Nelson Mandela was elected President of South Africa.

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Speaker 4: We just talked about that whole thing a little bit

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in our Leath Weapon two episode. We did indeed, diplomatic immunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, I'm excited to talk about this Weezer album.

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I'm ready to jump in as a teaser. This is

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an album that really should not have been and definitely

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shouldn't have been a success. And my gosh, one of

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the band members, well, let me just say that the

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Star Wars figure Hammerhead comes into play in making a

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new member of this band during the recording of this album.

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So without further ado, let's jump into song number one

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on the Blue album, My name is Jonas car.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I need to know your own personal history

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with this album, because I got to tell you I

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didn't have this album in nineteen ninety four, and so

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I was not familiar with this album until I was

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a grown man and married and playing guitar hero with

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my wife. That I was first introduced to this song

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and when it came on, it blew me away. James,

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how'd you become familiar with Weezer?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Any of my friends who know me know that

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I was a total obsessive when it comes to nineties

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alternative rock. There was a local radio college radio station

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would play new releases around noon, and they played several

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tracks off this album, including Let's See the Sweater song,

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Buddy Holly, and of course my name is Jonas and

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I was born away. You know, we'd gone through the

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whole grunge wave, which I did love. By ninety four,

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it was kind of petering out, Kurt Cobain had died,

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unassuming looking dudes. An album produced by Rico Kaseik. They

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just hit like an explosion. Man, I loved it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. This album was

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Speaker 2: So when the band was signed to Geffen around ninety two,

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they originally wanted to produce it themselves, in keeping with

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the whole do it yourself low fi mentality, but David

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this one. So here comes Rick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they said, here's a bunch of producers, pick the

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one you want, and they're like, we'll take this guy

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because we like the cars music.

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Speaker 1: Among the group is Laney from the Patti Smith group.

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because Rivers Cuomo was All of them really were huge

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fans of the Pixies and of Nirvana, but Paul Coldier

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and Sean Slade, who had produced the Pixies, were also

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Ocasek on there and it was for Rivers. He had

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with it, and he was like, oh my gosh, this

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would just be the dream. They didn't even expect him

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to respond, let alone say yes. But he heard something

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in the album. Actually, I think the way that he

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with a little bit of music mixed into it. But

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he heard enough music that he was like, this is

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this is worthy. I can do this, I can make

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something out of this, And man, he really did.

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Speaker 3: Go back and check out Our Car's Heartbeat city track

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by track where we talk about rok Ocasik, the ugliest

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man in America, marrying Paulina Porskova.

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Speaker 1: The hottest girl at the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and him walking on water in the video Magic.

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It's a great episode. Go back and check that one out.

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I did want to mention something I was telling you

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the other day. Weezer was formed February fourteenth of nineteen

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ninety two, and I told you d that I know

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exactly what I did on that day is one of

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these weird things we're just stuck out of my brain.

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I went out on a double date with a couple

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that became like our best friends in college, and we

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saw Wayne's World the night it was released February fourteenth.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety two. I don't know why that stands out

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of my brain. Weezer was formed that night as well, So.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even joking about this. Literally an hour ago,

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I was walking into Guitar Center just because I was inspired,

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and I thought, I'm gonna go to my guitar center

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real quick before we go record. And as I'm walking in,

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I thought to myself, no stairway denied.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So in nineteen eighty nine, Rivers Cuomo Rivers Quoma was

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the lead singer of the lead guitars in this band.

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He moves from Connecticut to LA with his hair metal

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Speaker 4: Do these guys look anything like hair metal?

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Speaker 1: Not in this album, right, But I.

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Speaker 2: Mean it was a metal had. His favorite band was

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Kiss for Heaven's Sake.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep rewinding because we

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just we went. We jumped back from his metal band

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to the metal band that inspired him. I'm moving all

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the way back to the beginning. He was raised in

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a freaking like he was in a Buddhist commune. Yeah,

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I mean his parents were the ultimate hippies. Aergo the

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name Rivers, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: His brother's name is Leaves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Rivers, Rivers and Leaves Yeah. And then his dad

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who was a military guy but was also a drummer.

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Frank Cuomo. I'm searching around. He's on a freaking jazz album.

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Speaker 2: He played with. Did you say was Wayne Shorter saxophone player?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Wayne Shorter.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's no small feat. Wayne had a lot

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of talented people worked through his band over the years.

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Even had Will Calhan from another Shirley alumni, Living Color,

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Speaker 3: Wow, go back and check out our Living Color Vivid

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Speaker 1: Well, so, speaking of Rivers and Leaves, this song is

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actually about their relationship he Rivers said. Jonas explains how

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the plan is reaming us all, especially my brother. He's

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referring to his relationship with his own brother.

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Speaker 3: Well, his brother gotten some sort of car accident and

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the car insurance company is trying to screw him over.

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Speaker 2: That's what I've always heard about it, and this is

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a song that shows it may have been listening to

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the in Nirvana, but there was definitely some metal in

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the background, those crashing power chords that come in after

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the acoustic intra, just the steady pounding drums. I mean,

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this may have been the alternative area, but there's definitely

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some metal heads in their DNA.

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Speaker 3: Okay, before we go any further, do you guys know

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how they got the name Beezer?

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Speaker 1: I do. It's almost like we've all studied the thought here. Well,

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So Frank Cuomo the drummer, he was daddy and little

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Baby Rivers had a bit of an asthma problem, and

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so his nickname for him, and this will be just

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one of many names that Rivers goes by over the

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course of time. His nickname for Little Rivers was Weezer without.

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Speaker 3: An H, and it was named after a character on

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The Little Rascals, Little Weezer from Little Rascals, who was

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tragically killed in an air to air collision when he was.

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Speaker 4: Twenty years old.

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Speaker 7: Wow, you're not the only one can do dang, bro

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you went down a rabbit hole. Yeh, dark quickly and

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Little Rascals has got some dursty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Alfalfauz story is amazing. We're not going to go

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into that right.

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Speaker 2: Now, but I will say this is one of my

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three favorite tracks off the album. I don't think there

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are any skippers on the album. I'll go ahead and

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say that this is one of my top three favorites.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's a great song.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's It's top two for me and possibly best

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on the album depending on the day. The new introduction

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to me, having you know, listened to the other singles

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off of the album for years, suddenly hearing this one,

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I'm like, how did this slip under my radar? It's

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just amazing and talking about them being fans of the Pixies,

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it's the perfect example, maybe the best. I mean you

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Speaker 2: Actually talking about it with the guys at band practice

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last night, after listening to this album so much all week,

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I'm trying to convince him we need to work this

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into the set list or yet another Weezer song.

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Speaker 4: Ah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the writers on this song, you got Rivers Cuomo,

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who wrote the lyrics, of course, but Pat Wilson and

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Jason Cropper are listed as musician the music writers of

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this song. Now, of course Jason Cropper is not on

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the front of the album, oddly enough. But we'll get

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to that story a little bit later. I think we've

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got to move on to song number two on the album.

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This one's called No One Else.

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Speaker 6: It's funny, okay.

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Speaker 1: This is a great lyrics song and heavy and hard hitting.

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Speaker 2: Once you learn a story behind it, it's pretty hilarious.

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You've got this sarcastic portrayal of a super jealous, super

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obsessive boyfriend him. I mean, Patrick Wilson in one interview

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said that the song where at least today you'd be

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me too, so hard.

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Speaker 3: I didn say something about his girlfriend having eyeballs in

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the back of her.

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Speaker 2: Head, supposedly written about a former girlfriend named Petra or

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Petra he had at the time, but it was I mean,

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it's all tongue in cheek, very sarcastic, and it's almost

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like a part one of a two quarter the next song, which.

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Speaker 3: Will g that's right, that's right, the two spot and

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the three spot go go together.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 3: Well, I gotta ask you, guys, do you know the

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first concert these guys played.

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Speaker 4: I thought this was a hilarious story. Actually, you guys

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do know because I sent the leak to you. But

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do mean we didn't it? Sw Yeah.

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Speaker 3: On March nineteenth of ninety two, Rivers Cuomo had been

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bugging this local club owner.

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Speaker 4: Hey, you gotta let us play. You gotta give us

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a spot.

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Speaker 3: So the guy's like, no, no, no, go away, go away.

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Well he finally is like, I had somebody canceled. You

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guys want your shot, here's your shot. They gave him

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the spot. After the band dog Star is.

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Speaker 1: Playing dog Star, Dog Star, The Dog Star.

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Speaker 3: The Dog Star, the dog Star, who is playing at

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river Wind Casino in about three weeks, which is.

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Speaker 1: Right by our house, could throw a rock and hit

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it right now.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Dog Star, if you don't remember, is the band that

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mister Keanu Reeves is a band member of. And so

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when they got up there, like Dogstar played from like

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ten to two or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Weezer got the spot after that.

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Speaker 3: So they take the stage at like two thirty, and

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he said, once they got up there, he started to

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realize that all the attractive women were.

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Speaker 1: Leaving because if anybody can get a girl who will

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laugh for no one else, who will put her makeup

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on the shelf, who will never leave the house when

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he's away, it's gonna be Keanu Reeves.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. Interesting.

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Speaker 3: This is kind of a I mean, this is pre

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speed Keanu Reeves. This is point break Keanu Reeves. Right here,

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this is Ted Theodore Logan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was famous, but he wasn't neo famous yet

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at this point.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: During that first set after dog Star, they played the

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song say It Ain't So.

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Speaker 2: You often see Weezer described as a power pop band.

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I think this definitely shows that side of the reallylumbable,

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sweet melodies, and you start listening to the lyrics, it's

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maybe not quite so sweet. This is definitely their power

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pop side showing through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great having these power chords along with You're right,

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it's very hooky nursery. I'm almost to the lyrics. But

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and then again, like you said, this tongue in cheek

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kind of jerk way to treat.

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Speaker 5: A lady when lady puts some making.

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Speaker 8: Up and show.

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Speaker 2: Sen's about a jealous, obsessive ahle with a boyfriend, and

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the next song is the same ahole wondering why she's gone.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. Here's the part too. This is song

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number three on the album The World Has Turned and

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Left Me Here.

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Speaker 8: Time.

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Speaker 1: I really love this song. It's like they've taken the

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fingerpicking acoustic guitar from my Name is Jonas and the

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power chords from my Name is Jonas and slammed them together,

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and then they've got this melody that's almost Beatlesque, like

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it's got a very Beatles style to it. But if

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you're thinking about the Beatles, you're thinking of the voices

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of John Lennon and Paul McCartney, and it just occurs

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to me, these guys don't have those voices. These are

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not beautiful voices to listen to. There's almost a pubescent

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crack in the voice that somehow even makes them more

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endearing because they were the real that we were looking

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for in nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up, because they do sound

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like seventeen year olds.

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Speaker 4: Even to this day, they sound like seventeen year olds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a lot of vocal interplay in the

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band even though they don't have these exquisite Freddie Mercury voices.

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worked on a lot of like barbershop quartet style stuff,

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so they could have two or three lines going in once,

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all working together.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think you already mentioned it, James, But rivers Cuomo

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grew up as a huge, crazy Kiss fan. He said

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he had a girl that came over the house and

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she brought the album Rock and Roll over and it

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was one of those things where they just kind of

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ran around, you know, playing like seven year olds do,

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and he said, just listen to that album over and

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over and over. But it was a eighth grade talent

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show where he watched some classmates perform Metal Health by

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Quiet Riot, and he was like, that's what I want

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to do. That's it right there. I need a guitar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was he had actually put the band together

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before he got the guitar or knew how to play it. Really, yeah,

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Fury was a band before rivers Cuomo had ever held

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his own guitar.

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Speaker 3: Again, we have a Ted Theodore Logan reference right there.

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Speaker 2: He was serious about the metal. I read one article

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in some guitar magazine said he when he was a kid,

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he took lessons from a guy named Jim Mattea's And

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if you're a fan of progressive heavy metal, you know

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Matteo's plays for a band called Fates Warning and he

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is a major league shredder. Rivers definitely had his original

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site set on the metal realm.

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Speaker 3: Pretty interesting to me that this band is born out

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of a love of Kiss Metallica, Barry Manilow, Each Boys,

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Dave Beach Boys.

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Speaker 4: He loves the Beach Boys.

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Speaker 1: Right forty Robbins had He had all of these musical influences,

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and then he's when he moved to La he ends

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up working at Tower Records, where he pulls up even

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more influences. By this time, of course, they've changed the

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band name to avant Garde, but it's just he's at

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that point realizing metal just doesn't really have anything to

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offer anymore. And he's working in a kitchen in a

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restaurant with another one of his buddies. He's been writing

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his own music and for the very first time on

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the radio there it'd been out a week. Smells like

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teen spirit comes on and his buddy's like, this is

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like a song that you would write. Yeah, that's right,

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And he's like, you're right, this is like a song

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I would write. And so that's what inspired him to

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leave metal behind and go pursue this new yet unnamed

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form of music.

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Speaker 3: His metal band, by the way, it was called Zoom.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Zoom was in there as well. That's right. Yeah,

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we've got Zoom, We've got avant garde, we've got fury

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and and six sixty wrong sausagesage.

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Speaker 4: That's the best name right there.

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Speaker 2: Rivers is actually a fairly accomplished guitarist, but on that

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song he was having trouble coming up with a solo.

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He got so bad he was actually in a fetal position,

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but once again, Ricocasic to the rescue. He just kind

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of whistled to the talk back mic in the studio,

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how about DoD dodd yed d something, And that cracked

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the code and Rivers managed to finish up the song.

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Speaker 1: Wow, fantastic.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's get onto maybe the biggest song on

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Speaker 3: Next song is called Buddy Holly.

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Speaker 1: From Okay, So I just got to say, what's with

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these homies? This in My Girl. Why do they get

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a front? Is not lyrics I would expect to come

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out of River Clomola's face, which is why they're so magical.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is what a two and a half

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minute song, but it's it's a pop masterpiece. I think

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everything you need is in those two and a half minutes.

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Speaker 4: This is when I became aware of Weezer. I had

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no idea who they were.

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Speaker 3: I had never heard of them, but I saw the

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video on MTV and it blew.

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Speaker 4: My socks off. Like the story here for me is

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the video.

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Speaker 3: It looks like it's cut right out of an episode

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of Happy Days from nineteen seventy seven. Guys look goofy

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that got the hair comb to sideways or whatever, and

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they're like the band for.

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Speaker 4: All the Happy Days people to enjoy.

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Speaker 1: It's fun.

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Speaker 4: Love the video.

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Speaker 1: This was the second single following Undone, which is interesting because,

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as we talked about, this is the video that might

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have Undone what Rivers had expected the band to be. Yeah,

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that's right because he at this point when they've recorded

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this album, he fully anticipates that he will be the

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next Kurt Cobain. Right, Kurt is gone. I have these

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deep and meaningful lyrics and this very strong skill set

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and this we are a serious, important band. And they

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come out with this video which is them dressed up,

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like you said, like fifties guys in a seventies sitcom,

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and everybody starts comparing them to Weird Aul instead of

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to Kurt Cobain.

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Speaker 3: That's what I thought too. I thought they were fun.

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I did not equate them to Nirvana.

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Speaker 2: Which was kind of funny because slightly before this, Nirvana

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had a video for their song in Bloom Yeah, which

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kind of took the same black and white early sixties

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TV approach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I had the guy from People's Chord on it

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right introducing the band Yeah Nirvana.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you mentioned that this was the second single.

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This was actually released September seventh, nineteen ninety four. That

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would have been Buddy Holly's fifty eighth birthday.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, nice, So this actually wasn't. Originally Buddy Holly

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was not the subject of the lyrics of this song.

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The song was a bit slower and the original lyrics

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were OUU, you looked just like Ginger Rogers. Oh oh,

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I moved just like Fred Astare. But when they sped

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up the lyrics or sped up the tempo of the song.

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Those names didn't fit quite as well, and so they

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found that Buddy Holly fit a little bit better, and

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Mary Tyler Moore, who wasn't even around until after Buddy

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Holly's death, fit well, and so they went ahead and

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just changed swapped the names out.

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Speaker 3: I also read that this song was written after his

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friends made fun of his Asian girlfriend. There's a line

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in the song that says, your tongue is twisted, your

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eyes are slit, and he wrote this because they were

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making fun of his girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't his girlfriend. He said that this this

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lyric I'm yours your mind, sounds like it's romantic, but

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he said this was really this is misinterpreted. It is

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really about defending a platonic female friend.

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Speaker 4: Interesting. Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 2: What's hilarious is Rivers originally didn't even want it on

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the album What Yeah. He wanted to keep it all.

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to go on the album, but Matt Sharp, who was

474
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their bass player at the time, basically said rick O

475
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,640
Kasic said, you guys are stupid If you leave this.

476
00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:03,079
Speaker 4: I did hear him say that that.

477
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,559
Speaker 3: Rico Cassick was like, look, just do it anyway, and

478
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,640
at the end of the whole process, if you don't

479
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,200
like it, we'll leave it off. His intention was it

480
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,119
was going to be on the album all the time.

481
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: By the way, the video that we've been talking about,

482
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,920
you guys know who directed it, Spike Jones. Spike Jones. Yeah.

483
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,240
It actually got four MTV Video Music Awards, including Breakthrough Video,

484
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,000
Best Alternative Music Video, and two Billboard Music Video Awards

485
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,079
including Alternative Modern Rock Clip of the Year.

486
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 4: You go, Spike Jones. If you don't know who that is.

487
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,839
Speaker 3: He directed Bean John Malkovich adaptation Where the Wild Things

488
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,519
Are and Her. That is also a list of four

489
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,039
movies that Jason has never seen.

490
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: What they are A great move? Well, a couple of them,

491
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,680
A couple of them are Three of those four are

492
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,200
great movies. Well, Where the Wild Things Are left me, kinnicle, I.

493
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 4: Got two more nuggets for you on this song.

494
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: Okay.

495
00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:02,839
Speaker 3: This video was also included whenever anybody bought Windows ninety five.

496
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 4: Wow, how about that?

497
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,319
Speaker 1: That is a deep dive that you will only get

498
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,160
on the Shirley You can't be serious Podcasting please and Hill.

499
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,759
Speaker 3: And I gotta I gotta think that that has something

500
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,119
to do with the popularity of this song.

501
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,759
Speaker 4: That everybody who got Windows ninety five had access to

502
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:17,319
this song in the.

503
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: Video, because in that time, everybody had to get Windows

504
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,240
ninety five to have a functioning computer.

505
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: That's right, without the free AOL disc slotted in.

506
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 3: Also, this video appeared in an episode of Beavis and

507
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,519
butt Heead titled here Comes the Bride's butt.

508
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,759
Speaker 2: Oh of high class style television without being entirely too

509
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,759
self promotional. My band does play this song fairly often.

510
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,799
What thirty day, thirty years days, thirty years after it's released,

511
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:47,839
people still love singing along with this one.

512
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize this song wasn't actually released as

513
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,039
a single in America, which means it was never on

514
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:55,240
the Hot one hundred. It hit the hit number two

515
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,359
on Modern Rock chart, but never never charted on the

516
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,240
Hot one hundred because it wasn't a few American single.

517
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,079
Speaker 4: Okay, So I got the story behind that.

518
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: Are you ready for this? This was a strategy employed

519
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,799
by the record company who is in charge of Weezer.

520
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,440
It also is the same strategy that is employed by Live.

521
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: In throwing copper and throwing copper nice.

522
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,039
Speaker 3: That they wouldn't release these as singles to encourage people

523
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,759
to buy the whole album rather than just the singles.

524
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: I miss I missed the album days, man, I really do.

525
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: Man not even an option anymore. It's all singles these

526
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,400
kidding And on that note, let's move on to song

527
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:39,079
number five undone aka Sweater Song.

528
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: This is so.

529
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: This song is a slow pul sing I mean, this

530
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,319
is eighty beats per minute and then it's random talking

531
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,279
for the first several seconds and it's freaking over five

532
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,559
minute long song. This is no recipe for a hit song,

533
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,039
and it blew my freaking doors off whenever I saw it.

534
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,119
As Yeah, my first experience with this one was on MTV.

535
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: This was the first single released from the album, released

536
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,480
June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety four.

537
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: Here's the interesting thing to me.

538
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: I heard Rivers Polmo say this is their attempt to

539
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,440
write a velvet underground type of song, but that it

540
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,960
actually turned out it was an inadvertent derivative of Metallica's

541
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,440
Sanitarium off.

542
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:56,079
Speaker 2: The Master of Puppets album. Wow It's wow this sweater Well.

543
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,039
I remember reading an interview with rivers before I said,

544
00:27:58,039 --> 00:27:59,759
this was supposed to be a really sad song that

545
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:01,240
every one thinks it's hilarious.

546
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:03,799
Speaker 3: He had to change the title of the song because

547
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,920
fans would come up and say, hey, are you gonna

548
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,799
play you know that that sweater song? And so he's like,

549
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,319
you mean undone. They're like, yeah, whatever, you know, the

550
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,359
sweater song. And so that's why it's called undone hyphen

551
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,880
the sweater song. He didn't use parentheses because he didn't

552
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,799
like the way it looked on the back of the album.

553
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that the opening dialogue that you hear was

554
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,000
originally like a mix of a bunch of different kind

555
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,400
of radio snips and bits and stuff that was put

556
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,119
together by a guy named Carl. I don't know if

557
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,079
he pronounces it coke or coch, but I had friends

558
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:44,079
with that spelled this koc h and they pronounce it cook.

559
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:48,440
So Carl is the unofficial fifth member of the band.

560
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,759
He has been a roadie, a photographer, a webmaster, a

561
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:56,079
social media manager, a archivist and historian, and an art

562
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:59,519
director and just an all around good friend to these guys.

563
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,279
And Pat Wilson has said we would not be Weezer

564
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,720
without Carl. But Carl had put together this mix of

565
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,839
various sound clips to make this kind of noise at

566
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,519
the beginning and a few bits inside of the song.

567
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,880
But then lawyers being lawyers, they're like, hey, we don't

568
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,440
want to get sued but for copyright infringement, And so

569
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,519
they changed it and had the guys from the band

570
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,759
talk like they're at a party setting, and that's how

571
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,759
they've created this little bit at the beginning and in

572
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:29,160
the middle.

573
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: You know how lawyers are many mess up everything and everything.

574
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 1: Although I really do like the way that it starts off,

575
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:38,480
I think that this is a fortuitous call here.

576
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,279
Speaker 3: I did see rivers quomen We talk about the inspiration

577
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:44,200
where this song came from an English class where his

578
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:47,319
professor was talking about writing a thesis statement and he

579
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,200
said that if they walk away, the sweater will unravel.

580
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,759
A thesis statement holds on to the thread throughout the essay.

581
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: So there you go.

582
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,319
Speaker 2: What I like about this song is we've talked about

583
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,599
the Pixies influenced the whole soft loud thing. Well, Weezer

584
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,559
they kind of developed their own approach to it, where

585
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,799
the song is just standily build in intensity and by

586
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,160
the time you reach the end, it's just this cacophony

587
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,359
of drum symbols, guitars going off. I love the way

588
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:14,920
it works in.

589
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,359
Speaker 1: This song so and the beauty of that is it

590
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,640
follows what's going on lyrically in the song. I mean,

591
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,880
this is a guy who shows up to a party

592
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,359
and everybody's like, oh, hey, there's that dude, and they

593
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:33,039
don't realize that he's slowly unraveling into insanity. He's getting

594
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:38,720
deeper and deeper, more insane and unraveling, unbecoming undone throughout

595
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,359
the song, just like the music does. Through the song,

596
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,599
it just becomes more and more crazy. But I didn't

597
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,440
appreciate all of that back in nineteen ninety four, when

598
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
I was eighteen or nineteen listening to this song. All

599
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,599
I thought was it was really hilarious how Pat Wilson

600
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,720
stood up as they were filming the video and kind

601
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,960
of did some hip thrust. And I thought it was

602
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,680
hilarious that Rivers Cuomo looked exactly like Mork from morkan

603
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:06,039
Mindy with his Beatles haircut and his red.

604
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,839
Speaker 2: Shirt that was questionable hair.

605
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:11,519
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll tell you what else is hilarious is the

606
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:33,759
video for their song Africa. There was a girl on

607
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,079
Twitter who bugged the crap out of them to cover

608
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:37,279
Africa by Toto.

609
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:39,319
Speaker 4: She created this whole Twitter account.

610
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: It was just like at Africa Weezer, and finally they

611
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:46,519
relented and recorded Rosanna, which I think is hilarious.

612
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: It's a funny way to troll that person.

613
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,279
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, trolled by Weezer.

614
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,799
Speaker 3: But they eventually covered Africa and it became a huge

615
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,279
hit for them. But the video for Africa is a

616
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:02,160
parody of undone the Sweater song, except weird Al is

617
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200
in the video and they're singing an Africa song. So

618
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,200
it's funny that they have since here at number one

619
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,920
and that they parody in themselves.

620
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: These guys definitely buried beneath all the nerdish. There's definitely

621
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,880
a sense of humor. But I say, you do You

622
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,240
mentioned the video. I love how it was shot with

623
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,640
a steady cam at a slightly higher speed and then

624
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,119
slowed down. Well, what's really funny to me about it is,

625
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,920
if you've seen the video, which was another Spike Jones production,

626
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,759
at the end, a pack of dogs just runs out

627
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:30,079
on the stage. I love that, and evidently one of

628
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:33,839
those dogs committed somewhat of a dietary indiscretion along time.

629
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,640
So yeah, I've had a lot of weird stuff happened

630
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,279
to me drumming, but I've never had a dog do

631
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:40,480
that to my bass durum buble.

632
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:46,359
Speaker 1: So this was the first Viezer song Rivers Cuomo ever wrote.

633
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,279
Wrote it back in nineteen ninety one. You said he was,

634
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,519
like you said, trying to write that velvet underground type song,

635
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:56,160
but was it was just him an acoustic guitar and

636
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,680
he came up with that opening riff that kind of

637
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,039
plays throughout song. Being one of those early songs was

638
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,920
included on the kitchen tape. My Name is Jonas was

639
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,039
on the kitchen tape, paper face only in Dreams and

640
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920
undone or on the kitchen tape. So you guys know

641
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,799
what the kitchen tape is.

642
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: I think it was what was it the EP they

643
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,519
recorded prior to recurding Giffen, that's the one that got

644
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:19,119
them signed.

645
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, they, like Jason had said, they were having difficulty

646
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,880
even getting getting gigs, let alone you know, getting signs

647
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,160
to a record deal. But they had done one album

648
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,599
that I think they called Weezer, the first album that

649
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:35,480
got them nowhere at all. So then they decided to

650
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,319
do something again, and this one was called the Kitchen

651
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:42,200
Tape because I mean they recorded in the garage except

652
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,319
for the drums. They thought the drums sounded better in

653
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:46,640
the kitchen than anywhere else. And so that's how this

654
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,119
one got the name the Kitchen Tape. And it was

655
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,200
this one that Todd Sullivan, the guy from from Geffen Records,

656
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,480
the A and R guy, heard and said, this is

657
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,240
a band that I can do something with. How dumb

658
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:01,200
lucky is that? I mean, they had no they had

659
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,359
no following, they weren't playing very many gigs. They, according

660
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:09,039
to Ricocastick, sounded like a slab of mud with some

661
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,079
music mixed in. But Todd Sullivan says, I see something

662
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,760
here that can become something. Now. This this is important

663
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,199
because Rivers Cuomo had moved out to LA. He was

664
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,320
not having success as a singer and as a band member.

665
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,840
And Pat Wilson ends up sending Matt Sharp, who's in

666
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,320
New York City still at this point, sends him some

667
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,800
of these songs that Rivers has been working on, and

668
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,199
Matt is like, this is fantastic. I'm going to come

669
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,760
out to LA and I'm going to play with you guys. Well,

670
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,119
Rivers had been going to community college and was a

671
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,159
four point zero student and did well enough there that

672
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,840
UC Berkeley offered him a scholarship and like a place

673
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,079
to stay and a stipend. So like this was going

674
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,360
to be, Hey, you don't have to live in a

675
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,719
red infested apartment making no money. You could come study

676
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,480
music at UC Berkeley. And when Matt Sharp it's there,

677
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:03,320
he says, Okay, listen, you got one year to get

678
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,320
us a record deal. If you don't have a record

679
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,719
deal in one year, then I'm going to go to

680
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,000
UC Berkeley. And so that is what That's what leads

681
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:12,800
to ultimately the Kitchen Tape and what leads to them

682
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,000
getting signed with Geffen Records themselves. We got one more

683
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:20,920
song on side one of the album, This is Surf

684
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,360
Wax America.

685
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 9: See is only like a part of the fair the

686
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:46,760
Waves coming by fair Watch because he's another.

687
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: One of my favorite three tracks off the album.

688
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,599
Speaker 1: Okay, so I mentioned he got he had gotten a

689
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:50,519
job at Tower Records and been introduced to new music

690
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,719
that got him out of the metal mind frame, and

691
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,239
a couple of the bands that he had started listening

692
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,840
to were the Beatles, who I mentioned just a bit ago,

693
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,119
and the Beach Boys. Shout out to our friend Def

694
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:05,360
Dave and the Apples and Oranges podcast where he compares

695
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,440
the Beach Boys albums versus Beatles albums with his son Jackson.

696
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:13,639
But this song is all kinds of Beach Boys. The

697
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:17,159
sea is foaming like a bottle of beer. My buddies

698
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,360
and their honeys all come along. They seem invincible as

699
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,119
they surf along. Man, this is this is a Weezer

700
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:38,280
Beach Boys song if I ever heard one.

701
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: Of course, ironically at the time, none of the guys

702
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,360
in the band had ever even served.

703
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: That was true for the Beach Boys too.

704
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, this song's written by Pat Wilson, which pretty interesting

705
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,840
considering rivers Croomo writes almost everything.

706
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,079
Speaker 2: I think it was an idea he originally came up

707
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,719
with on a little four track recorder, and Pat said that,

708
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,639
you know, the band this album desperately needed up tempo

709
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,159
number after all, the kind of slower moody or stuff,

710
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,000
so they kind of took a punk rock approach to

711
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:05,760
the Beach Boys.

712
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,159
Speaker 4: There you go, Dave Davey listening, you hear that.

713
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: We just mentioned the beach Boys and punk rock. In

714
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,599
the same sentence, Dave come on Rivers.

715
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 4: Colman said, this song is a total sarcastic call to

716
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,639
hedonism to sing along, eat, drink and be merry.

717
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: And I gotta say it's definitely It's also one of

718
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,000
my top three favorites. Or is there something about that propulsive, happy,

719
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:26,159
upbeat kind of feel I just love about this song.

720
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fun. They play this in almost every concert.

721
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: And speaking of that, I told d I'm not as

722
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:34,039
big a Weezer fan as some of the other guys

723
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,760
were going to cover, but I do think they would

724
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,239
be an amazing band to see in concert. I think

725
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,639
it'd just be a totally fun show to watch.

726
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, my buddy Heath actually saw in one show a

727
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,559
few years back the Pixies and Weezer, and he says

728
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,800
that Weezer were fantastic live. They're kind of a bucket

729
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,199
list band for me as well.

730
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 3: Push stop on you tape player, kick it out, flip

731
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,960
it over for side too, and we lit off the

732
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,280
second side with say it Ain't so.

733
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 5: Oh.

734
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:20,599
Speaker 9: Yeah.

735
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,599
Speaker 2: This completes the trifecta of my favorite songs on the album.

736
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,679
It's just such an amazing song, and what's funny is

737
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,639
it was inspired by complete misunderstanding by Weezer's frontman, River's Cuoma.

738
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:33,840
As you can tell by the lyrics he's worried about.

739
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,559
He says he was inspired by seeing some beer in

740
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,079
his stepdad's refrigerator, and he thought that that was going

741
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,440
to lead to the disruption of this marriage because he'd

742
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,559
always thought that the original his mom and dad's first

743
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,119
marriage had been broken up because his dad was supposedly

744
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,639
some alcoholic brute. Turns out that he wasn't. Years later,

745
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,880
when they released the song, he got a facts from

746
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,519
his dad said, Weezer, we need to talk. I found

747
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,519
out that, yeah, the whole idea. He had seen a

748
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,280
picture of his mom and dad. His dad was wearing

749
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,559
like some wife beat or tank top, holding a cigarette

750
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,840
and a beer and looked like some big, scary, intimidating guy.

751
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,920
But he found out that because of his kind of

752
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,599
Buddhist leanings, his biological dad never touched alcohol, never touched cigarettes,

753
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,639
and it was just a joke picture. He and his

754
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,000
wife had taken him to Dome and.

755
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,159
Speaker 1: River wrote the song Yeah, I mean he yeah, like

756
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:26,239
you said, he sees a Heineken beer in his refrigerator,

757
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,400
and he's like, oh no, my mom's second marriage is

758
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:34,599
now over. Just to clarify, somebody's heini, that's the Heineken

759
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:39,400
is crowding my icebox. Somebody's cold one is giving me chills.

760
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,519
He's petrified because there's a heine in the ice box.

761
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:47,159
And for you kids who were born in the twenty

762
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:49,559
first century, icebox is what a whole lot of people

763
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:51,320
used to call a refrigerator back in the day.

764
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: I thought that's very very great lyrics, very clever songwriting.

765
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember who he was talking to. I

766
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,880
feel like it was Pat Wilsonbody's like refriger doesn't fit.

767
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:05,280
What's a too syllable word for refrigerator? And I think

768
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,320
Pat Wilson's like icebox of course perfects perfects. Yeah, and

769
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,159
then you got that picture. I mean, this bottle of

770
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:18,760
Steven's awakens ancient feelings like father, stepfather, the son is

771
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,880
drowning in the flood. It's all just you. You don't

772
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,400
know what these things mean until you get these backstories

773
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,360
on it. And this is actually a terrifying event for

774
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,599
a young not even teenage rivers Cuomo.

775
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: I saw where he was angry about his father leaving

776
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,159
the family, and he didn't see him very much until

777
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,519
about nineteen ninety five or so, when the album's becoming successful.

778
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: Point he cleaned up Jesus things look.

779
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 5: You know.

780
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,119
Speaker 3: So, yeah, his dad became a Pentecostal preacher.

781
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 4: Wow, how about that? And it's actually mentioned in the

782
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,159
lyrics of the song.

783
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So he was bullied in high school because here's

784
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:59,119
a guy who was into dungeons and dragons, he was

785
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:04,000
into comic book he was a nerd and he couldn't like.

786
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,360
He and his brother had to change their names in

787
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,519
an effort trying not to get beat up because they

788
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:12,760
went from this commune where they were rivers and leaves

789
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,119
into a public school, and so they became Peter and James.

790
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,239
Peter in James, I guess they were looking for Jesus too.

791
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,320
But he's he has hoped. He actually this is kind

792
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,920
of funny when you realize how big this guy is.

793
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,360
He really did want to be a professional football player,

794
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,639
but he's got this condition where one of his legs

795
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,519
grew longer than the other leg and so he couldn't

796
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,199
play football. So there, he's lost any hope of becoming

797
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,079
popular until, like you mentioned earlier, he sees the talent

798
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:47,239
show this band play metal health, come on, feel the noise, Baby,

799
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,079
He felt it.

800
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,199
Speaker 2: Speaking of his leg. I don't know if you guys

801
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,880
have ever seen this YouTube video. The band played this

802
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,920
song on Letterman back in ninety five, and if you

803
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,440
watch the video, Rivers just stands in front of the

804
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,719
stage and some baggy pants, doesn't move hardly moves his

805
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,039
body at all, although he does nail the guitar solo

806
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,679
while the rest of the band Matt Sharp, Brian Bell,

807
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,599
they're jumping around like crazy people. It turns out that

808
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,400
he had just had some surgery on his leg, leg

809
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,719
voices or something, and he wanted the rest of the

810
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,960
bands could draw attention away from the fact that he

811
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:18,199
really couldn't move at the time.

812
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,079
Speaker 1: I think it probably draws more attention to the fact

813
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:22,880
that you're the only guy standing still.

814
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: Say it ain't So is the third single off the album.

815
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,800
None of these songs hit the top forty, which is

816
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,519
crazy Tommy.

817
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:30,119
Speaker 4: This seems like a surefire hit.

818
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, and it's got the staying power that's the thing. Yeah, this, James,

819
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,280
to touch on your trifecta idea. This is top two

820
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,639
for me, like this one in My Name is Jonas

821
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:43,679
easily can contend for number one position any day of

822
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,360
the week. Love love, love them both. Yeah, great, great song.

823
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 4: This is my favorite song on the album.

824
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: And we already mentioned that they played this on that

825
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:54,760
first Fateful night after Dog Star.

826
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: This wasn't a Spike Jones video, though, was it. I

827
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,639
think he had some other lady and I cannot remember

828
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:01,079
her name, Sylvia something.

829
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:01,559
Speaker 9: It came in.

830
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:03,159
Speaker 4: It was a different lady.

831
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: This was the one where they're playing Hackey Sack. Right.

832
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,039
I don't even really remember the video that well. I

833
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:13,840
don't know that it was that noteworthy other than it's like, hey,

834
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,800
here's some here's some guys in glasses playing hacky sack.

835
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,880
I don't know. They embraced the nerd ideology and I

836
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,920
credit them with making nerd cool.

837
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 4: Hey, I will tell you something about this video though.

838
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,719
This was shot at their old house.

839
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,199
Speaker 1: Nice.

840
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of their old house, let's talk about the

841
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:32,039
next song.

842
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 4: It's called in the Garage.

843
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:45,039
Speaker 8: I've got That's Master's Guy, I've got twelve ste I've

844
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:51,000
got kid from I'm Not Call It to Waiting.

845
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: So this is the song where they let their heat flags,

846
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,559
and we're talking about the Dungeon Dragon, the Dungeon Master's guy,

847
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,239
twelve sided die Kiss Records on this they were proud

848
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:07,559
to be.

849
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,519
Speaker 1: Geese, Kitty Pride and Nightcrawler straight from the X Men.

850
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:12,480
This is all the stuff that we just talked about,

851
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,840
the stuff that made Rivers Cuomo a nerd. But he

852
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:19,760
was a driven nerd. He was the guy that made

853
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,000
this band right. I love the beginning of the song

854
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,000
because it's like, it's like my kids have just learned

855
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,719
to play a couple of instruments in their music class

856
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,960
in like sixth grade, and they're like doing it recital.

857
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,320
You're like, oh, yeah, it kind of hurt in my ears,

858
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,079
but okay, that's all right. And then they just blast

859
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:42,320
back in with the big power, fat fat warm power chords.

860
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:42,760
I love it.

861
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: I can't remember if the CD had this, but the

862
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,360
vinyl did come with a picture of the garage.

863
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 4: Nice. That is cool.

864
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,079
Speaker 1: See ladies and gentlemen for those since we're on radio,

865
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:56,119
James is holding up He's had his LP with him

866
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:58,000
the whole time, and now he's holding up a picture

867
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,320
of us, or excuse me, a picture for us to

868
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,320
see the inside of the garage with a Marshall half stack.

869
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,440
What do we got? What's the drum set? I can't

870
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:06,880
sit down.

871
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: It looks like a little wood wing drum set. A

872
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:12,000
Judas Priest poster, a poster of the scorpions on the wall.

873
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: Nice.

874
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: So you mentioned the Amherst House, the garage that they

875
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,599
practiced at when they moved to La. The address is

876
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,199
two two two six Amherst Avenue, West, Los Angeles. I

877
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,760
actually Google mapped it right before we got on here,

878
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,159
and it looks like it may have been torn down.

879
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,679
The lot where it was looked like construction to me.

880
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,440
I did notice though, that they are That house was

881
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:37,719
very near to an Ace hardware, a Trader Joe's in

882
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,280
a Mexican restaurant called Don Antonio's.

883
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,599
Speaker 4: That looked pretty good.

884
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: I can throw it back to the Beach Boys again.

885
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,800
This song is so very much in my room. This

886
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,679
is the Beach Boys feeling safe in a particular place.

887
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,320
As it turns out, where Rivers felt safe instead of

888
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,840
being in his room, was in the garage where he

889
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,639
could play his guitar and sing his stupid songs.

890
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 3: So, speaking of Beach Boys, let's talk about the next

891
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:17,519
song on the album Holiday, Let's Go.

892
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 5: Let's do this?

893
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: Okay, I mentioned the Beach Boys.

894
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,159
Speaker 3: The opening line for this song is Let's go away

895
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:32,159
for a while. Those people think that's a direct reference

896
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:34,519
to the song Let's Go Away for a While from

897
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:36,719
Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys.

898
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 4: Deft Dave pick yourself up off the floor. I'm hoping

899
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,800
that we've made Dave into.

900
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: A Weezer fan. I think he already was a Weezer

901
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,000
fan maybe so, just may not have known it yet.

902
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: Jackson may have helped.

903
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: What do you think of this one, James?

904
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, there are no songs on this

905
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,280
album my skip. If I'm driving down the road listening

906
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,840
to it, this one just kind of passes by. It

907
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,679
doesn't really stick in my head. But I don't think

908
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:59,760
it's a bad song. It just doesn't really grab me

909
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,800
like the rest of them did.

910
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: It's a little placeholder as you move from in the

911
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,079
garage to only in dreams. But it's not a bad placeholder.

912
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:08,840
It's a nice little It's kind of let you catch

913
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,079
your breath after eight amazing songs and get you ready

914
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:18,400
for the finale. Yeah you guys, ready for the finale? Yes? Okay,

915
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,239
Ready for the finale, here we go last song on

916
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:42,840
the album, Only in Dreams. So this song, Rivers is

917
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,840
writing about a girl that he's having a dream about,

918
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,840
that he's trying to be with and he's trying not

919
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:51,880
to mess it up.

920
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 3: That you're going to say, he's trying not to wake up.

921
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,280
So this is a really epic song. It's like eight

922
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,280
minutes long. It's a slow builder. You get this great

923
00:47:59,360 --> 00:47:59,960
guitar song.

924
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 4: It's kind of building an intensity.

925
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know this.

926
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 4: This is in contention for my favorite song on the album.

927
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,159
I love this one.

928
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: Well. As far as the guitar solo goes, You're in

929
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,400
good company because River Cuomo says he thinks this is

930
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,280
probably his favorite guitar solo of all of his songs.

931
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,400
Oh nice, now mentioned this earlier speaking of guitar. I

932
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,239
better get to it since we're on the last song here.

933
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,119
On the cover of this album, we've got the members

934
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,400
of Weezer, right Yeah, Well, this song Only in Dreams

935
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,119
was on that kitchen tape that I mentioned earlier, which

936
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,400
involved poor guys, but not all of those guys are

937
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,239
on the cover of this album, right. So back in

938
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,599
the time that they did the kitchen tape. They had

939
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,400
a rhythm guitarist with them, guy named Jason Cropper. Now

940
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,000
they've gotten the go ahead to they've gotten signed, they've

941
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,760
got the go ahead to work with Rico Kassick. He

942
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,320
makes them come up to New York and record at

943
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,559
Electric Lady Land. But this is their I mean, they

944
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know they have no following, They know that this is

945
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their one shot. And Rivers is deathly serious about this

946
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having to go well, and so he has a rule

947
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no girlfriends during the recording process. Well, while they're in

948
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the middle of recording the album, Jason Cropper finds out

949
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that his girlfriend Amy Welner is pregnant. That's a disturbing

950
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,719
thing to find out in and of itself, let alone

951
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when you've got the pressure of recording your first album

952
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on top of it, and the hard knuckled lead singer

953
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saying no girlfriends. And what happens. She shows up unannounced

954
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in New York City with no place to stay. And

955
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apparently during the course of the recording the album, when

956
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when Scott, when excuse me, when Jason Cropper would start

957
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,960
thinking about what was going on with this relationship, he'd

958
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,440
suddenly disappear and be on the top of the building

959
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,960
screaming his head off. It's not just one thing, but

960
00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:00,440
the mounting of several things that caused Rivers to basically say, Jason,

961
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you're out of the band. Yeah, and it's fine. I

962
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listened to him. He's he's still friends with these guys, right,

963
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,400
and really, yeah, he's still friends with him. He says

964
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in retrospect, it's kind of weird to be the Sid

965
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Barrett or Pete Best of this generation, which I thought, Man,

966
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you're putting yourself in some high society there. And he's

967
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done some stuff. He sang the theme song for Andy

968
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:25,280
Ricker Controls of the Universe, So it's not like he's

969
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done nothing. Nicest but maybe not quite said Barry Level

970
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,480
maybe or Pete Best bet.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

972
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Speaker 1: So now here they are in the middle of recording

973
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this album and they are without a fourth member, there,

974
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without their rhythm guitarist, and they decide to call Ryan

975
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Bell because they'd heard him before. They'd never heard him

976
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play guitar, they'd heard him play bass in another band.

977
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But what drove them to call him was he really

978
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:58,119
looked like a guitarist, Like he was thin and wispy

979
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,800
and good looking and had abs and just had that

980
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,880
kind of persona of a guitarist. And so Pat Wilson

981
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,280
gets on the phone with him because he knows him better,

982
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,039
and he's like, hey, man, what are you doing how much?

983
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,400
What are you doing? Well, we're recording this, are you busy?

984
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,840
Because and then Rivers this is where this comes in.

985
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,400
I asked you earlier if you knew who Moman Naden

986
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,800
was right, yeah, yeah. So Rivers grabs the phone and

987
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,159
he's like, okay, could you come over here tomorrow? And

988
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:28,960
he's like yeah, probably. He's like, okay, what was your

989
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,159
favorite Star Wars action figure?

990
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:31,679
Speaker 5: What?

991
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: And Brian Bell is like probably Hammerhead and he's like,

992
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,440
good answer, that's good enough. You're in the band. And

993
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:46,000
so because he picked Oma Naden otherwise known as Hammerhead

994
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:49,400
and probably even mentioned the double barreled laser cannon that

995
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,760
came with the action figure, he got his position in

996
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,800
the band and on the front of the debut album.

997
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: Wow, that is I did not think we're going to

998
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,000
be talking Star Wars figures today.

999
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,079
Speaker 1: Can't leave the Nerd group without talking Star Wars.

1000
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,159
Speaker 2: I would have gone for Grido, but you know, and

1001
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:08,960
what's funny is while they were getting Brian into the band.

1002
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Rivers went back in and he re recorded pretty much

1003
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every guitar track that Jason had done and evidently did

1004
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,760
it all in one take.

1005
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:17,159
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's right.

1006
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,519
Speaker 3: Rick Okasik was like, you can't do that, dude, we

1007
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:24,599
are down the road. He's like, well watch me, I'm

1008
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:26,039
gonna do it. This gonna be one take.

1009
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,159
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite as simple to get Brian on board,

1010
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:31,760
but one of the questions was can you sing? He

1011
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,360
said yes, and within a day had sent them a

1012
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,760
tape with him singing their songs without even really knowing

1013
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,719
their songs. And they're like, yep, he can, he could sing,

1014
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,800
he could play the guitar. We're good, let's do this,

1015
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:47,679
and so he became a member of Weezer just like that.

1016
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

1017
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:48,679
Speaker 2: You know.

1018
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,199
Speaker 4: You talk about these guys, and I mean Rivers is

1019
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,880
he's a special guy.

1020
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:54,199
Speaker 1: You know.

1021
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: After this album he kind of leaves the music scene.

1022
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:59,920
He enrolls in Harvard, grows his hair out, tries to

1023
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:02,760
act like a nobody. He goes to Harvard and studies

1024
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,480
music and tries to not be known by anybody.

1025
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't. He ultimately dropped out, but went back

1026
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,960
in two thousand and six and finished up his degree.

1027
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 4: Fascinating.

1028
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told you I read a story where he

1029
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,000
went two years celibate as sort of a self imposed

1030
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:20,840
punishment on himself because he had all these groupie relationships

1031
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,679
and never experienced love. And he thought, you know what,

1032
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,079
I'm gonna quit taking the easy route, cut myself off,

1033
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:26,639
and try to.

1034
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 4: Go for a real relationship. And you said, how did

1035
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,679
that work out for him? I said, well, he's married,

1036
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:31,559
so I guess it'll worry it out.

1037
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we could go back a little bit, we

1038
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,599
mentioned the guitar part on the song. There's a British

1039
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:39,880
magazine called Q back in two thousand and seven, they

1040
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,079
had a list of the twenty greatest guitar tracks of

1041
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:45,480
all time. Number eight was only in Dreams by Weezer.

1042
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,199
Speaker 1: Wow.

1043
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:52,039
Speaker 2: What it scored ahead of Crazy Train Bozzi Osbourne number thirteen, Wow,

1044
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,079
and Freight Ends of Sanityvno Italican number sixteen. So yeah,

1045
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,559
well a lot of people do like it.

1046
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: Jason doesn't have this this top eight list. You're gonna

1047
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,960
have to give us the seven songs that beat this solo.

1048
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,199
Speaker 2: Number seven, The End by the Beatles number six, and

1049
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,239
your Bird can sing. Also the Beatles guitar chef Well

1050
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,840
buy the someone known as Big Bill Bruisie A Woman

1051
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,159
in Winter by the Skids, which is a band from

1052
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,400
which we got Big Country, but that's another story for

1053
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,599
another time. Number three Little Wing by Jimmy Hendrix. Number

1054
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:29,840
two Days in Confused by some band called Leads a

1055
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:36,800
Pylon is also a led Zeppelin song Black Dog, So

1056
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,239
they're pretty august company there.

1057
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:40,159
Speaker 4: Interesting.

1058
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I know, I know probably

1059
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,880
five of that seven or a couple of them that

1060
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,400
I'm like, what, how did this.

1061
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 4: Free Bird come on?

1062
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,199
Speaker 1: Indeed? Where is Freebird?

1063
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had you paid as a Big Bill Bruisy fan.

1064
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: Okay, that does it for our coverage of the blue

1065
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,239
album Wheezer. Fantastic job, guys. I love getting together and

1066
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,519
talking music with you, guys. I can't wait to hear

1067
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:08,679
what the Shirley fans think of this album, think of

1068
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,199
the stories behind it. Guys. This is the first in

1069
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,639
a series of great albums from nineteen ninety four. Be

1070
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,119
sure and hit that follow button so that you can

1071
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:22,159
catch all of the albums that are coming up. And

1072
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,760
if you enjoyed this, you should absolutely go to our

1073
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,199
Patreon page. Go to patreon dot com slash Shirly Podcast,

1074
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,440
where you get the super secret episodes only available to

1075
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,800
our Patreon members, number one of which is in the

1076
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,480
room with us. And I don't mean ranking, I mean

1077
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,880
the day that we dropped the Patreon possibility, James Buckley

1078
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:47,360
signed his name. So thank you, James for your continued

1079
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,960
support of the Patreon. Truly appreciate that. Man.

1080
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,559
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not just blowing smoke up in the orifice,

1081
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but some of your you guys have released some fantastic

1082
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:01,039
episodes for your page group. I mean a lot of

1083
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:03,400
the ones Looking at the Obscure, One, Hit Wonders and

1084
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,360
all those are some fascinating stories. Man, I love every

1085
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:06,840
one of those.

1086
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Speaker 1: He's being kind by saying some because Jason forced me

1087
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,559
to cover Mariah Carey at some point.

1088
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,199
Speaker 4: The story of all I Want for Christmas is you.

1089
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 2: You can neither confirm nor deny that our mission.

1090
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 4: James, Thanks for coming on with us, man, It's always

1091
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,079
fun to have you on.

1092
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: Guys, if you are in the West Monroe area, be

1093
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,920
sure and go and check out Hidden Tracks, the best

1094
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:35,800
in Louisiana and the surrounding states, especially their drummer and

1095
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,280
mister James Buckley.

1096
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,119
Speaker 2: Fat bald guy. You can't miss him.

1097
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: Okay, do what do we got next week?

1098
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,639
Speaker 1: If things go according to plan, I believe that we

1099
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,119
have Live Throwing Copper next week.

1100
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 3: If we can get mister Brad Moore, the other Louisiana

1101
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:54,880
big dog get with him, we will cover Live Throwing Copper,

1102
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,440
another huge album from ninety four.

1103
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: I can't wait to talk about that.

1104
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: One one of my favorites of all time. I am

1105
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:02,400
super excited to discuss that one. Guys, be sure and

1106
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,960
come back for that album. We will see you all

1107
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next week