Speaker 1: This is Lane Wolf from Westfield, New York.
Speaker 2: Sit tight, hold the fort, and keep the home fires
burden for the shrily You Can't Be Series podcast.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
Be Serious podcasts. Just when you thought it was safe
to go back in the water, you thought we were
done with nerds after our last matchup of Animal House
versus Revenge of the Nerds. No, we're back with more nerds,
but this time it's nerd rock ladies and gentlemen. I
am here with my co host mister Jason Colvin and
our special guest host James Buckley to talk about Weezer
and the Blue Album.
Speaker 3: We have three nerds here to talk about the Blue
Album from Weezer.
Speaker 1: We are nerds now that nerd being a nerd is cool,
yea right. But back in the back in the eighties,
when these guys were nerds, it was it was not
a name that you wanted.
Speaker 3: We are about to spend the next five weeks in
nineteen ninety four. I'm really excited to do this. Ninety
four was a huge year for pop culture. You had albums,
you had great movies, you had the White Bronco Chase
you had, you had tons of incredible stuff in ninety four,
And we're gonna spend five weeks in ninety four breaking
down five iconic albums from that year. And for this one,
we invited our fellow nerd James Buckley to break down
Wheezer the Blue Album with us. James, how you doing, man.
Speaker 2: I'm doing wonderful. You look like a little bit like
Buddy Holly in his glasses.
Speaker 4: And you're Mary Tyler Moore?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was it the hair that gave it away?
Speaker 1: I want to I want to apologize now as we
go through because we could only pick five and feel
good about ourselves. But the year nineteen ninety four, if
you just look at the albums that came out that year,
it will blow your mind. Here are some albums that
we will not be covering unless there's like people at
the gates banging like a battery saying you must do
these albums. But like Oasis came out in nineteen ninety four,
Sound Garden, super Unknown, nine Inch Nails, Portous, Head Beck, Pearl,
jam stp Allison, Chains ra Em, The Cranberry's, The Offspring, Toady's.
All of these guys had fantastic albums that came out
in nineteen ninety four. You're I graduated from high school,
by the way, and I am jazzed to talk about
the five that we're going to talk about. Did you
cover what five we're hitting?
Speaker 3: We are going to talk about Weezer's The Blue Album.
We're covering Throwing Copper by Live, We're covering The Blue
Album by Collective Soul, We're covering Dookie by Green Day,
and we're covering sixteen Stone by Bush. Five classic albums.
We're gonna just set up a tent and live in
ninety four for.
Speaker 1: A little bit. I don't mind camping out there.
Speaker 3: Hey, I've got some ninety four events just kind of
put us in the mood for what was going on
in ninety four. Okay, So the Weezer album, The Blue Album,
was released May tenth, nineteen ninety four. That's their debut album.
So here's what's going on in ninety four.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: January seventh, hen Cy Kerrigan was attacked by an unknown
to sailant where he whacked her in the knee, and
it turns out it had some connections to this.
Speaker 4: Lady named Tanya Harding. You may remember that.
Speaker 3: On January twenty first of ninety four, Lorena Bobbitt was
found temporarily insane. If you know, you know right, March
fourth of nineteen ninety four, John Candy passes away. April
fifth of ninety four, Kurt Cobain commits suicide. April nineteenth
of ninety four, Rodney King has awarded three point eight
million dollars. And then on June seventeenth of ninety four,
you have the White Bronco chase.
Speaker 4: But I will tell you this.
Speaker 3: On May tenth of ninety four, same day this album
was released, Nelson Mandela was elected President of South Africa.
Speaker 4: We just talked about that whole thing a little bit
in our Leath Weapon two episode. We did indeed, diplomatic immunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, I'm excited to talk about this Weezer album.
I'm ready to jump in as a teaser. This is
an album that really should not have been and definitely
shouldn't have been a success. And my gosh, one of
the band members, well, let me just say that the
Star Wars figure Hammerhead comes into play in making a
new member of this band during the recording of this album.
So without further ado, let's jump into song number one
on the Blue album, My name is Jonas car.
Speaker 5: Thanks for.
Speaker 6: Them comes.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I need to know your own personal history
with this album, because I got to tell you I
didn't have this album in nineteen ninety four, and so
I was not familiar with this album until I was
a grown man and married and playing guitar hero with
my wife. That I was first introduced to this song
and when it came on, it blew me away. James,
how'd you become familiar with Weezer?
Speaker 2: Okay? Any of my friends who know me know that
I was a total obsessive when it comes to nineties
alternative rock. There was a local radio college radio station
K and LU. They would always play the newest releases
and so I would always be tuned into the when
I was going to class or skipping class or whatever.
And I remember they had a special segment where they
would play new releases around noon, and they played several
tracks off this album, including Let's See the Sweater song,
Buddy Holly, and of course my name is Jonas and
I was born away. You know, we'd gone through the
whole grunge wave, which I did love. By ninety four,
it was kind of petering out, Kurt Cobain had died,
We're looking for something new, and here are these guys,
unassuming looking dudes. An album produced by Rico Kaseik. They
just hit like an explosion. Man, I loved it.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. This album was
perdue by Rick okase.
Speaker 2: So when the band was signed to Geffen around ninety two,
they originally wanted to produce it themselves, in keeping with
the whole do it yourself low fi mentality, but David
Geffen was like, nah, we're bringing in a pro for
this one. So here comes Rick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said, here's a bunch of producers, pick the
one you want, and they're like, we'll take this guy
because we like the cars music.
Speaker 1: Among the group is Laney from the Patti Smith group.
And you've got the guys who produced the Pixies albums
because Rivers Cuomo was All of them really were huge
fans of the Pixies and of Nirvana, but Paul Coldier
and Sean Slade, who had produced the Pixies, were also
on that list of people. But yeah, they saw ric
Ocasek on there and it was for Rivers. He had
just gotten the Car's Greatest Hits album and was obsessed
with it, and he was like, oh my gosh, this
would just be the dream. They didn't even expect him
to respond, let alone say yes. But he heard something
in the album. Actually, I think the way that he
put it was it was basically a slab of mud
with a little bit of music mixed into it. But
he heard enough music that he was like, this is
this is worthy. I can do this, I can make
something out of this, And man, he really did.
Speaker 3: Go back and check out Our Car's Heartbeat city track
by track where we talk about rok Ocasik, the ugliest
man in America, marrying Paulina Porskova.
Speaker 1: The hottest girl at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and him walking on water in the video Magic.
It's a great episode. Go back and check that one out.
I did want to mention something I was telling you
the other day. Weezer was formed February fourteenth of nineteen
ninety two, and I told you d that I know
exactly what I did on that day is one of
these weird things we're just stuck out of my brain.
I went out on a double date with a couple
that became like our best friends in college, and we
saw Wayne's World the night it was released February fourteenth.
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety two. I don't know why that stands out
of my brain. Weezer was formed that night as well, So.
Speaker 1: I'm not even joking about this. Literally an hour ago,
I was walking into Guitar Center just because I was inspired,
and I thought, I'm gonna go to my guitar center
real quick before we go record. And as I'm walking in,
I thought to myself, no stairway denied.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So in nineteen eighty nine, Rivers Cuomo Rivers Quoma was
the lead singer of the lead guitars in this band.
He moves from Connecticut to LA with his hair metal
band Zoom.
Speaker 4: Do these guys look anything like hair metal?
Speaker 1: Not in this album, right, But I.
Speaker 2: Mean it was a metal had. His favorite band was
Kiss for Heaven's Sake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep rewinding because we
just we went. We jumped back from his metal band
to the metal band that inspired him. I'm moving all
the way back to the beginning. He was raised in
a freaking like he was in a Buddhist commune. Yeah,
I mean his parents were the ultimate hippies. Aergo the
name Rivers, Yeah.
Speaker 4: His brother's name is Leaves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rivers, Rivers and Leaves Yeah. And then his dad
who was a military guy but was also a drummer.
Frank Cuomo. I'm searching around. He's on a freaking jazz album.
Speaker 2: He played with. Did you say was Wayne Shorter saxophone player?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wayne Shorter.
Speaker 2: I mean that's no small feat. Wayne had a lot
of talented people worked through his band over the years.
He had Elvin Jones, who was a jazz drumming legend.
Even had Will Calhan from another Shirley alumni, Living Color,
played with him for a while.
Speaker 3: Wow, go back and check out our Living Color Vivid
track by track where we did it with mister James Buckley.
Speaker 1: Well, so, speaking of Rivers and Leaves, this song is
actually about their relationship he Rivers said. Jonas explains how
the plan is reaming us all, especially my brother. He's
referring to his relationship with his own brother.
Speaker 3: Well, his brother gotten some sort of car accident and
the car insurance company is trying to screw him over.
Speaker 2: That's what I've always heard about it, and this is
a song that shows it may have been listening to
the in Nirvana, but there was definitely some metal in
the background, those crashing power chords that come in after
the acoustic intra, just the steady pounding drums. I mean,
this may have been the alternative area, but there's definitely
some metal heads in their DNA.
Speaker 3: Okay, before we go any further, do you guys know
how they got the name Beezer?
Speaker 1: I do. It's almost like we've all studied the thought here. Well,
So Frank Cuomo the drummer, he was daddy and little
Baby Rivers had a bit of an asthma problem, and
so his nickname for him, and this will be just
one of many names that Rivers goes by over the
course of time. His nickname for Little Rivers was Weezer without.
Speaker 3: An H, and it was named after a character on
The Little Rascals, Little Weezer from Little Rascals, who was
tragically killed in an air to air collision when he was.
Speaker 4: Twenty years old.
Speaker 7: Wow, you're not the only one can do dang, bro
you went down a rabbit hole. Yeh, dark quickly and
Little Rascals has got some dursty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Alfalfauz story is amazing. We're not going to go
into that right.
Speaker 2: Now, but I will say this is one of my
three favorite tracks off the album. I don't think there
are any skippers on the album. I'll go ahead and
say that this is one of my top three favorites.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's a great song.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's It's top two for me and possibly best
on the album depending on the day. The new introduction
to me, having you know, listened to the other singles
off of the album for years, suddenly hearing this one,
I'm like, how did this slip under my radar? It's
just amazing and talking about them being fans of the Pixies,
it's the perfect example, maybe the best. I mean you
you know, Nirvana was fans of the Pixies and their
whole deal was loud, quiet loud. This is the best
example of loud quiet loud I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: Actually talking about it with the guys at band practice
last night, after listening to this album so much all week,
I'm trying to convince him we need to work this
into the set list or yet another Weezer song.
Speaker 4: Ah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the writers on this song, you got Rivers Cuomo,
who wrote the lyrics, of course, but Pat Wilson and
Jason Cropper are listed as musician the music writers of
this song. Now, of course Jason Cropper is not on
the front of the album, oddly enough. But we'll get
to that story a little bit later. I think we've
got to move on to song number two on the album.
This one's called No One Else.
Speaker 6: It's funny, okay.
Speaker 1: This is a great lyrics song and heavy and hard hitting.
What do you guys think about this one?
Speaker 2: Once you learn a story behind it, it's pretty hilarious.
You've got this sarcastic portrayal of a super jealous, super
obsessive boyfriend him. I mean, Patrick Wilson in one interview
said that the song where at least today you'd be
me too, so hard.
Speaker 3: I didn say something about his girlfriend having eyeballs in
the back of her.
Speaker 2: Head, supposedly written about a former girlfriend named Petra or
Petra he had at the time, but it was I mean,
it's all tongue in cheek, very sarcastic, and it's almost
like a part one of a two quarter the next song, which.
Speaker 3: Will g that's right, that's right, the two spot and
the three spot go go together.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta ask you, guys, do you know the
first concert these guys played.
Speaker 4: I thought this was a hilarious story. Actually, you guys
do know because I sent the leak to you. But
do mean we didn't it? Sw Yeah.
Speaker 3: On March nineteenth of ninety two, Rivers Cuomo had been
bugging this local club owner.
Speaker 4: Hey, you gotta let us play. You gotta give us
a spot.
Speaker 3: So the guy's like, no, no, no, go away, go away.
Well he finally is like, I had somebody canceled. You
guys want your shot, here's your shot. They gave him
the spot. After the band dog Star is.
Speaker 1: Playing dog Star, Dog Star, The Dog Star.
Speaker 3: The Dog Star, the dog Star, who is playing at
river Wind Casino in about three weeks, which is.
Speaker 1: Right by our house, could throw a rock and hit
it right now.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: Dog Star, if you don't remember, is the band that
mister Keanu Reeves is a band member of. And so
when they got up there, like Dogstar played from like
ten to two or something like that.
Speaker 4: Weezer got the spot after that.
Speaker 3: So they take the stage at like two thirty, and
he said, once they got up there, he started to
realize that all the attractive women were.
Speaker 1: Leaving because if anybody can get a girl who will
laugh for no one else, who will put her makeup
on the shelf, who will never leave the house when
he's away, it's gonna be Keanu Reeves.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. Interesting.
Speaker 3: This is kind of a I mean, this is pre
speed Keanu Reeves. This is point break Keanu Reeves. Right here,
this is Ted Theodore Logan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was famous, but he wasn't neo famous yet
at this point.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: During that first set after dog Star, they played the
song say It Ain't So.
Speaker 2: You often see Weezer described as a power pop band.
I think this definitely shows that side of the reallylumbable,
sweet melodies, and you start listening to the lyrics, it's
maybe not quite so sweet. This is definitely their power
pop side showing through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great having these power chords along with You're right,
it's very hooky nursery. I'm almost to the lyrics. But
and then again, like you said, this tongue in cheek
kind of jerk way to treat.
Speaker 5: A lady when lady puts some making.
Speaker 8: Up and show.
Speaker 2: Sen's about a jealous, obsessive ahle with a boyfriend, and
the next song is the same ahole wondering why she's gone.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Here's the part too. This is song
number three on the album The World Has Turned and
Left Me Here.
Speaker 8: Time.
Speaker 1: I really love this song. It's like they've taken the
fingerpicking acoustic guitar from my Name is Jonas and the
power chords from my Name is Jonas and slammed them together,
and then they've got this melody that's almost Beatlesque, like
it's got a very Beatles style to it. But if
you're thinking about the Beatles, you're thinking of the voices
of John Lennon and Paul McCartney, and it just occurs
to me, these guys don't have those voices. These are
not beautiful voices to listen to. There's almost a pubescent
crack in the voice that somehow even makes them more
endearing because they were the real that we were looking
for in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 4: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up, because they do sound
like seventeen year olds.
Speaker 4: Even to this day, they sound like seventeen year olds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a lot of vocal interplay in the
band even though they don't have these exquisite Freddie Mercury voices.
Like during the recording of this album, they said they
worked on a lot of like barbershop quartet style stuff,
so they could have two or three lines going in once,
all working together.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I think you already mentioned it, James, But rivers Cuomo
grew up as a huge, crazy Kiss fan. He said
he had a girl that came over the house and
she brought the album Rock and Roll over and it
was one of those things where they just kind of
ran around, you know, playing like seven year olds do,
and he said, just listen to that album over and
over and over. But it was a eighth grade talent
show where he watched some classmates perform Metal Health by
Quiet Riot, and he was like, that's what I want
to do. That's it right there. I need a guitar.
And he got a guitar for his fourteenth birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was he had actually put the band together
before he got the guitar or knew how to play it. Really, yeah,
Fury was a band before rivers Cuomo had ever held
his own guitar.
Speaker 3: Again, we have a Ted Theodore Logan reference right there.
Speaker 2: He was serious about the metal. I read one article
in some guitar magazine said he when he was a kid,
he took lessons from a guy named Jim Mattea's And
if you're a fan of progressive heavy metal, you know
Matteo's plays for a band called Fates Warning and he
is a major league shredder. Rivers definitely had his original
site set on the metal realm.
Speaker 3: Pretty interesting to me that this band is born out
of a love of Kiss Metallica, Barry Manilow, Each Boys,
Dave Beach Boys.
Speaker 4: He loves the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1: Right forty Robbins had He had all of these musical influences,
and then he's when he moved to La he ends
up working at Tower Records, where he pulls up even
more influences. By this time, of course, they've changed the
band name to avant Garde, but it's just he's at
that point realizing metal just doesn't really have anything to
offer anymore. And he's working in a kitchen in a
restaurant with another one of his buddies. He's been writing
his own music and for the very first time on
the radio there it'd been out a week. Smells like
teen spirit comes on and his buddy's like, this is
like a song that you would write. Yeah, that's right,
And he's like, you're right, this is like a song
I would write. And so that's what inspired him to
leave metal behind and go pursue this new yet unnamed
form of music.
Speaker 3: His metal band, by the way, it was called Zoom.
Speaker 1: Yes, Zoom was in there as well. That's right. Yeah,
we've got Zoom, We've got avant garde, we've got fury
and and six sixty wrong sausagesage.
Speaker 4: That's the best name right there.
Speaker 2: Rivers is actually a fairly accomplished guitarist, but on that
song he was having trouble coming up with a solo.
He got so bad he was actually in a fetal position,
but once again, Ricocasic to the rescue. He just kind
of whistled to the talk back mic in the studio,
how about DoD dodd yed d something, And that cracked
the code and Rivers managed to finish up the song.
Speaker 1: Wow, fantastic.
Speaker 4: All right, let's get onto maybe the biggest song on
the album.
Speaker 3: Next song is called Buddy Holly.
Speaker 1: From Okay, So I just got to say, what's with
these homies? This in My Girl. Why do they get
a front? Is not lyrics I would expect to come
out of River Clomola's face, which is why they're so magical.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what a two and a half
minute song, but it's it's a pop masterpiece. I think
everything you need is in those two and a half minutes.
Speaker 4: This is when I became aware of Weezer. I had
no idea who they were.
Speaker 3: I had never heard of them, but I saw the
video on MTV and it blew.
Speaker 4: My socks off. Like the story here for me is
the video.
Speaker 3: It looks like it's cut right out of an episode
of Happy Days from nineteen seventy seven. Guys look goofy
that got the hair comb to sideways or whatever, and
they're like the band for.
Speaker 4: All the Happy Days people to enjoy.
Speaker 1: It's fun.
Speaker 4: Love the video.
Speaker 1: This was the second single following Undone, which is interesting because,
as we talked about, this is the video that might
have Undone what Rivers had expected the band to be. Yeah,
that's right because he at this point when they've recorded
this album, he fully anticipates that he will be the
next Kurt Cobain. Right, Kurt is gone. I have these
deep and meaningful lyrics and this very strong skill set
and this we are a serious, important band. And they
come out with this video which is them dressed up,
like you said, like fifties guys in a seventies sitcom,
and everybody starts comparing them to Weird Aul instead of
to Kurt Cobain.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought too. I thought they were fun.
I did not equate them to Nirvana.
Speaker 2: Which was kind of funny because slightly before this, Nirvana
had a video for their song in Bloom Yeah, which
kind of took the same black and white early sixties
TV approach.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had the guy from People's Chord on it
right introducing the band Yeah Nirvana.
Speaker 3: By the way, you mentioned that this was the second single.
This was actually released September seventh, nineteen ninety four. That
would have been Buddy Holly's fifty eighth birthday.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, nice, So this actually wasn't. Originally Buddy Holly
was not the subject of the lyrics of this song.
The song was a bit slower and the original lyrics
were OUU, you looked just like Ginger Rogers. Oh oh,
I moved just like Fred Astare. But when they sped
up the lyrics or sped up the tempo of the song.
Those names didn't fit quite as well, and so they
found that Buddy Holly fit a little bit better, and
Mary Tyler Moore, who wasn't even around until after Buddy
Holly's death, fit well, and so they went ahead and
just changed swapped the names out.
Speaker 3: I also read that this song was written after his
friends made fun of his Asian girlfriend. There's a line
in the song that says, your tongue is twisted, your
eyes are slit, and he wrote this because they were
making fun of his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't his girlfriend. He said that this this
lyric I'm yours your mind, sounds like it's romantic, but
he said this was really this is misinterpreted. It is
really about defending a platonic female friend.
Speaker 4: Interesting. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: What's hilarious is Rivers originally didn't even want it on
the album What Yeah. He wanted to keep it all.
They recorded about fifteen tracks and he didn't want this
to go on the album, but Matt Sharp, who was
their bass player at the time, basically said rick O
Kasic said, you guys are stupid If you leave this.
Speaker 4: I did hear him say that that.
Speaker 3: Rico Cassick was like, look, just do it anyway, and
at the end of the whole process, if you don't
like it, we'll leave it off. His intention was it
was going to be on the album all the time.
Speaker 1: By the way, the video that we've been talking about,
you guys know who directed it, Spike Jones. Spike Jones. Yeah.
It actually got four MTV Video Music Awards, including Breakthrough Video,
Best Alternative Music Video, and two Billboard Music Video Awards
including Alternative Modern Rock Clip of the Year.
Speaker 4: You go, Spike Jones. If you don't know who that is.
Speaker 3: He directed Bean John Malkovich adaptation Where the Wild Things
Are and Her. That is also a list of four
movies that Jason has never seen.
Speaker 1: What they are A great move? Well, a couple of them,
A couple of them are Three of those four are
great movies. Well, Where the Wild Things Are left me, kinnicle, I.
Speaker 4: Got two more nuggets for you on this song.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: This video was also included whenever anybody bought Windows ninety five.
Speaker 4: Wow, how about that?
Speaker 1: That is a deep dive that you will only get
on the Shirley You can't be serious Podcasting please and Hill.
Speaker 3: And I gotta I gotta think that that has something
to do with the popularity of this song.
Speaker 4: That everybody who got Windows ninety five had access to
this song in the.
Speaker 1: Video, because in that time, everybody had to get Windows
ninety five to have a functioning computer.
Speaker 2: That's right, without the free AOL disc slotted in.
Speaker 3: Also, this video appeared in an episode of Beavis and
butt Heead titled here Comes the Bride's butt.
Speaker 2: Oh of high class style television without being entirely too
self promotional. My band does play this song fairly often.
What thirty day, thirty years days, thirty years after it's released,
people still love singing along with this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize this song wasn't actually released as
a single in America, which means it was never on
the Hot one hundred. It hit the hit number two
on Modern Rock chart, but never never charted on the
Hot one hundred because it wasn't a few American single.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I got the story behind that.
Speaker 3: Are you ready for this? This was a strategy employed
by the record company who is in charge of Weezer.
It also is the same strategy that is employed by Live.
Speaker 1: In throwing copper and throwing copper nice.
Speaker 3: That they wouldn't release these as singles to encourage people
to buy the whole album rather than just the singles.
Speaker 2: I miss I missed the album days, man, I really do.
Speaker 1: Man not even an option anymore. It's all singles these
kidding And on that note, let's move on to song
number five undone aka Sweater Song.
Speaker 2: This is so.
Speaker 1: This song is a slow pul sing I mean, this
is eighty beats per minute and then it's random talking
for the first several seconds and it's freaking over five
minute long song. This is no recipe for a hit song,
and it blew my freaking doors off whenever I saw it.
As Yeah, my first experience with this one was on MTV.
Speaker 3: This was the first single released from the album, released
June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 4: Here's the interesting thing to me.
Speaker 3: I heard Rivers Polmo say this is their attempt to
write a velvet underground type of song, but that it
actually turned out it was an inadvertent derivative of Metallica's
Sanitarium off.
Speaker 2: The Master of Puppets album. Wow It's wow this sweater Well.
I remember reading an interview with rivers before I said,
this was supposed to be a really sad song that
every one thinks it's hilarious.
Speaker 3: He had to change the title of the song because
fans would come up and say, hey, are you gonna
play you know that that sweater song? And so he's like,
you mean undone. They're like, yeah, whatever, you know, the
sweater song. And so that's why it's called undone hyphen
the sweater song. He didn't use parentheses because he didn't
like the way it looked on the back of the album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that the opening dialogue that you hear was
originally like a mix of a bunch of different kind
of radio snips and bits and stuff that was put
together by a guy named Carl. I don't know if
he pronounces it coke or coch, but I had friends
with that spelled this koc h and they pronounce it cook.
So Carl is the unofficial fifth member of the band.
He has been a roadie, a photographer, a webmaster, a
social media manager, a archivist and historian, and an art
director and just an all around good friend to these guys.
And Pat Wilson has said we would not be Weezer
without Carl. But Carl had put together this mix of
various sound clips to make this kind of noise at
the beginning and a few bits inside of the song.
But then lawyers being lawyers, they're like, hey, we don't
want to get sued but for copyright infringement, And so
they changed it and had the guys from the band
talk like they're at a party setting, and that's how
they've created this little bit at the beginning and in
the middle.
Speaker 2: You know how lawyers are many mess up everything and everything.
Speaker 1: Although I really do like the way that it starts off,
I think that this is a fortuitous call here.
Speaker 3: I did see rivers quomen We talk about the inspiration
where this song came from an English class where his
professor was talking about writing a thesis statement and he
said that if they walk away, the sweater will unravel.
A thesis statement holds on to the thread throughout the essay.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 2: What I like about this song is we've talked about
the Pixies influenced the whole soft loud thing. Well, Weezer
they kind of developed their own approach to it, where
the song is just standily build in intensity and by
the time you reach the end, it's just this cacophony
of drum symbols, guitars going off. I love the way
it works in.
Speaker 1: This song so and the beauty of that is it
follows what's going on lyrically in the song. I mean,
this is a guy who shows up to a party
and everybody's like, oh, hey, there's that dude, and they
don't realize that he's slowly unraveling into insanity. He's getting
deeper and deeper, more insane and unraveling, unbecoming undone throughout
the song, just like the music does. Through the song,
it just becomes more and more crazy. But I didn't
appreciate all of that back in nineteen ninety four, when
I was eighteen or nineteen listening to this song. All
I thought was it was really hilarious how Pat Wilson
stood up as they were filming the video and kind
of did some hip thrust. And I thought it was
hilarious that Rivers Cuomo looked exactly like Mork from morkan
Mindy with his Beatles haircut and his red.
Speaker 2: Shirt that was questionable hair.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll tell you what else is hilarious is the
video for their song Africa. There was a girl on
Twitter who bugged the crap out of them to cover
Africa by Toto.
Speaker 4: She created this whole Twitter account.
Speaker 3: It was just like at Africa Weezer, and finally they
relented and recorded Rosanna, which I think is hilarious.
Speaker 4: It's a funny way to troll that person.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, trolled by Weezer.
Speaker 3: But they eventually covered Africa and it became a huge
hit for them. But the video for Africa is a
parody of undone the Sweater song, except weird Al is
in the video and they're singing an Africa song. So
it's funny that they have since here at number one
and that they parody in themselves.
Speaker 2: These guys definitely buried beneath all the nerdish. There's definitely
a sense of humor. But I say, you do You
mentioned the video. I love how it was shot with
a steady cam at a slightly higher speed and then
slowed down. Well, what's really funny to me about it is,
if you've seen the video, which was another Spike Jones production,
at the end, a pack of dogs just runs out
on the stage. I love that, and evidently one of
those dogs committed somewhat of a dietary indiscretion along time.
So yeah, I've had a lot of weird stuff happened
to me drumming, but I've never had a dog do
that to my bass durum buble.
Speaker 1: So this was the first Viezer song Rivers Cuomo ever wrote.
Wrote it back in nineteen ninety one. You said he was,
like you said, trying to write that velvet underground type song,
but was it was just him an acoustic guitar and
he came up with that opening riff that kind of
plays throughout song. Being one of those early songs was
included on the kitchen tape. My Name is Jonas was
on the kitchen tape, paper face only in Dreams and
undone or on the kitchen tape. So you guys know
what the kitchen tape is.
Speaker 2: I think it was what was it the EP they
recorded prior to recurding Giffen, that's the one that got
them signed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they, like Jason had said, they were having difficulty
even getting getting gigs, let alone you know, getting signs
to a record deal. But they had done one album
that I think they called Weezer, the first album that
got them nowhere at all. So then they decided to
do something again, and this one was called the Kitchen
Tape because I mean they recorded in the garage except
for the drums. They thought the drums sounded better in
the kitchen than anywhere else. And so that's how this
one got the name the Kitchen Tape. And it was
this one that Todd Sullivan, the guy from from Geffen Records,
the A and R guy, heard and said, this is
a band that I can do something with. How dumb
lucky is that? I mean, they had no they had
no following, they weren't playing very many gigs. They, according
to Ricocastick, sounded like a slab of mud with some
music mixed in. But Todd Sullivan says, I see something
here that can become something. Now. This this is important
because Rivers Cuomo had moved out to LA. He was
not having success as a singer and as a band member.
And Pat Wilson ends up sending Matt Sharp, who's in
New York City still at this point, sends him some
of these songs that Rivers has been working on, and
Matt is like, this is fantastic. I'm going to come
out to LA and I'm going to play with you guys. Well,
Rivers had been going to community college and was a
four point zero student and did well enough there that
UC Berkeley offered him a scholarship and like a place
to stay and a stipend. So like this was going
to be, Hey, you don't have to live in a
red infested apartment making no money. You could come study
music at UC Berkeley. And when Matt Sharp it's there,
he says, Okay, listen, you got one year to get
us a record deal. If you don't have a record
deal in one year, then I'm going to go to
UC Berkeley. And so that is what That's what leads
to ultimately the Kitchen Tape and what leads to them
getting signed with Geffen Records themselves. We got one more
song on side one of the album, This is Surf
Wax America.
Speaker 9: See is only like a part of the fair the
Waves coming by fair Watch because he's another.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite three tracks off the album.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I mentioned he got he had gotten a
job at Tower Records and been introduced to new music
that got him out of the metal mind frame, and
a couple of the bands that he had started listening
to were the Beatles, who I mentioned just a bit ago,
and the Beach Boys. Shout out to our friend Def
Dave and the Apples and Oranges podcast where he compares
the Beach Boys albums versus Beatles albums with his son Jackson.
But this song is all kinds of Beach Boys. The
sea is foaming like a bottle of beer. My buddies
and their honeys all come along. They seem invincible as
they surf along. Man, this is this is a Weezer
Beach Boys song if I ever heard one.
Speaker 2: Of course, ironically at the time, none of the guys
in the band had ever even served.
Speaker 1: That was true for the Beach Boys too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this song's written by Pat Wilson, which pretty interesting
considering rivers Croomo writes almost everything.
Speaker 2: I think it was an idea he originally came up
with on a little four track recorder, and Pat said that,
you know, the band this album desperately needed up tempo
number after all, the kind of slower moody or stuff,
so they kind of took a punk rock approach to
the Beach Boys.
Speaker 4: There you go, Dave Davey listening, you hear that.
Speaker 2: We just mentioned the beach Boys and punk rock. In
the same sentence, Dave come on Rivers.
Speaker 4: Colman said, this song is a total sarcastic call to
hedonism to sing along, eat, drink and be merry.
Speaker 2: And I gotta say it's definitely It's also one of
my top three favorites. Or is there something about that propulsive, happy,
upbeat kind of feel I just love about this song.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fun. They play this in almost every concert.
Speaker 3: And speaking of that, I told d I'm not as
big a Weezer fan as some of the other guys
were going to cover, but I do think they would
be an amazing band to see in concert. I think
it'd just be a totally fun show to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my buddy Heath actually saw in one show a
few years back the Pixies and Weezer, and he says
that Weezer were fantastic live. They're kind of a bucket
list band for me as well.
Speaker 3: Push stop on you tape player, kick it out, flip
it over for side too, and we lit off the
second side with say it Ain't so.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This completes the trifecta of my favorite songs on the album.
It's just such an amazing song, and what's funny is
it was inspired by complete misunderstanding by Weezer's frontman, River's Cuoma.
As you can tell by the lyrics he's worried about.
He says he was inspired by seeing some beer in
his stepdad's refrigerator, and he thought that that was going
to lead to the disruption of this marriage because he'd
always thought that the original his mom and dad's first
marriage had been broken up because his dad was supposedly
some alcoholic brute. Turns out that he wasn't. Years later,
when they released the song, he got a facts from
his dad said, Weezer, we need to talk. I found
out that, yeah, the whole idea. He had seen a
picture of his mom and dad. His dad was wearing
like some wife beat or tank top, holding a cigarette
and a beer and looked like some big, scary, intimidating guy.
But he found out that because of his kind of
Buddhist leanings, his biological dad never touched alcohol, never touched cigarettes,
and it was just a joke picture. He and his
wife had taken him to Dome and.
Speaker 1: River wrote the song Yeah, I mean he yeah, like
you said, he sees a Heineken beer in his refrigerator,
and he's like, oh no, my mom's second marriage is
now over. Just to clarify, somebody's heini, that's the Heineken
is crowding my icebox. Somebody's cold one is giving me chills.
He's petrified because there's a heine in the ice box.
And for you kids who were born in the twenty
first century, icebox is what a whole lot of people
used to call a refrigerator back in the day.
Speaker 2: I thought that's very very great lyrics, very clever songwriting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember who he was talking to. I
feel like it was Pat Wilsonbody's like refriger doesn't fit.
What's a too syllable word for refrigerator? And I think
Pat Wilson's like icebox of course perfects perfects. Yeah, and
then you got that picture. I mean, this bottle of
Steven's awakens ancient feelings like father, stepfather, the son is
drowning in the flood. It's all just you. You don't
know what these things mean until you get these backstories
on it. And this is actually a terrifying event for
a young not even teenage rivers Cuomo.
Speaker 3: I saw where he was angry about his father leaving
the family, and he didn't see him very much until
about nineteen ninety five or so, when the album's becoming successful.
Speaker 2: Point he cleaned up Jesus things look.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, his dad became a Pentecostal preacher.
Speaker 4: Wow, how about that? And it's actually mentioned in the
lyrics of the song.
Speaker 1: Okay, So he was bullied in high school because here's
a guy who was into dungeons and dragons, he was
into comic book he was a nerd and he couldn't like.
He and his brother had to change their names in
an effort trying not to get beat up because they
went from this commune where they were rivers and leaves
into a public school, and so they became Peter and James.
Peter in James, I guess they were looking for Jesus too.
But he's he has hoped. He actually this is kind
of funny when you realize how big this guy is.
He really did want to be a professional football player,
but he's got this condition where one of his legs
grew longer than the other leg and so he couldn't
play football. So there, he's lost any hope of becoming
popular until, like you mentioned earlier, he sees the talent
show this band play metal health, come on, feel the noise, Baby,
He felt it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of his leg. I don't know if you guys
have ever seen this YouTube video. The band played this
song on Letterman back in ninety five, and if you
watch the video, Rivers just stands in front of the
stage and some baggy pants, doesn't move hardly moves his
body at all, although he does nail the guitar solo
while the rest of the band Matt Sharp, Brian Bell,
they're jumping around like crazy people. It turns out that
he had just had some surgery on his leg, leg
voices or something, and he wanted the rest of the
bands could draw attention away from the fact that he
really couldn't move at the time.
Speaker 1: I think it probably draws more attention to the fact
that you're the only guy standing still.
Speaker 3: Say it ain't So is the third single off the album.
None of these songs hit the top forty, which is
crazy Tommy.
Speaker 4: This seems like a surefire hit.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, and it's got the staying power that's the thing. Yeah, this, James,
to touch on your trifecta idea. This is top two
for me, like this one in My Name is Jonas
easily can contend for number one position any day of
the week. Love love, love them both. Yeah, great, great song.
Speaker 4: This is my favorite song on the album.
Speaker 3: And we already mentioned that they played this on that
first Fateful night after Dog Star.
Speaker 2: This wasn't a Spike Jones video, though, was it. I
think he had some other lady and I cannot remember
her name, Sylvia something.
Speaker 9: It came in.
Speaker 4: It was a different lady.
Speaker 1: This was the one where they're playing Hackey Sack. Right.
I don't even really remember the video that well. I
don't know that it was that noteworthy other than it's like, hey,
here's some here's some guys in glasses playing hacky sack.
I don't know. They embraced the nerd ideology and I
credit them with making nerd cool.
Speaker 4: Hey, I will tell you something about this video though.
This was shot at their old house.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of their old house, let's talk about the
next song.
Speaker 4: It's called in the Garage.
Speaker 8: I've got That's Master's Guy, I've got twelve ste I've
got kid from I'm Not Call It to Waiting.
Speaker 2: So this is the song where they let their heat flags,
and we're talking about the Dungeon Dragon, the Dungeon Master's guy,
twelve sided die Kiss Records on this they were proud
to be.
Speaker 1: Geese, Kitty Pride and Nightcrawler straight from the X Men.
This is all the stuff that we just talked about,
the stuff that made Rivers Cuomo a nerd. But he
was a driven nerd. He was the guy that made
this band right. I love the beginning of the song
because it's like, it's like my kids have just learned
to play a couple of instruments in their music class
in like sixth grade, and they're like doing it recital.
You're like, oh, yeah, it kind of hurt in my ears,
but okay, that's all right. And then they just blast
back in with the big power, fat fat warm power chords.
I love it.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if the CD had this, but the
vinyl did come with a picture of the garage.
Speaker 4: Nice. That is cool.
Speaker 1: See ladies and gentlemen for those since we're on radio,
James is holding up He's had his LP with him
the whole time, and now he's holding up a picture
of us, or excuse me, a picture for us to
see the inside of the garage with a Marshall half stack.
What do we got? What's the drum set? I can't
sit down.
Speaker 2: It looks like a little wood wing drum set. A
Judas Priest poster, a poster of the scorpions on the wall.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 3: So you mentioned the Amherst House, the garage that they
practiced at when they moved to La. The address is
two two two six Amherst Avenue, West, Los Angeles. I
actually Google mapped it right before we got on here,
and it looks like it may have been torn down.
The lot where it was looked like construction to me.
I did notice though, that they are That house was
very near to an Ace hardware, a Trader Joe's in
a Mexican restaurant called Don Antonio's.
Speaker 4: That looked pretty good.
Speaker 1: I can throw it back to the Beach Boys again.
This song is so very much in my room. This
is the Beach Boys feeling safe in a particular place.
As it turns out, where Rivers felt safe instead of
being in his room, was in the garage where he
could play his guitar and sing his stupid songs.
Speaker 3: So, speaking of Beach Boys, let's talk about the next
song on the album Holiday, Let's Go.
Speaker 5: Let's do this?
Speaker 4: Okay, I mentioned the Beach Boys.
Speaker 3: The opening line for this song is Let's go away
for a while. Those people think that's a direct reference
to the song Let's Go Away for a While from
Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys.
Speaker 4: Deft Dave pick yourself up off the floor. I'm hoping
that we've made Dave into.
Speaker 1: A Weezer fan. I think he already was a Weezer
fan maybe so, just may not have known it yet.
Speaker 2: Jackson may have helped.
Speaker 1: What do you think of this one, James?
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, there are no songs on this
album my skip. If I'm driving down the road listening
to it, this one just kind of passes by. It
doesn't really stick in my head. But I don't think
it's a bad song. It just doesn't really grab me
like the rest of them did.
Speaker 1: It's a little placeholder as you move from in the
garage to only in dreams. But it's not a bad placeholder.
It's a nice little It's kind of let you catch
your breath after eight amazing songs and get you ready
for the finale. Yeah you guys, ready for the finale? Yes? Okay,
Ready for the finale, here we go last song on
the album, Only in Dreams. So this song, Rivers is
writing about a girl that he's having a dream about,
that he's trying to be with and he's trying not
to mess it up.
Speaker 3: That you're going to say, he's trying not to wake up.
So this is a really epic song. It's like eight
minutes long. It's a slow builder. You get this great
guitar song.
Speaker 4: It's kind of building an intensity.
Speaker 1: I don't know this.
Speaker 4: This is in contention for my favorite song on the album.
I love this one.
Speaker 1: Well. As far as the guitar solo goes, You're in
good company because River Cuomo says he thinks this is
probably his favorite guitar solo of all of his songs.
Oh nice, now mentioned this earlier speaking of guitar. I
better get to it since we're on the last song here.
On the cover of this album, we've got the members
of Weezer, right Yeah, Well, this song Only in Dreams
was on that kitchen tape that I mentioned earlier, which
involved poor guys, but not all of those guys are
on the cover of this album, right. So back in
the time that they did the kitchen tape. They had
a rhythm guitarist with them, guy named Jason Cropper. Now
they've gotten the go ahead to they've gotten signed, they've
got the go ahead to work with Rico Kassick. He
makes them come up to New York and record at
Electric Lady Land. But this is their I mean, they
know they have no following, They know that this is
their one shot. And Rivers is deathly serious about this
having to go well, and so he has a rule
no girlfriends during the recording process. Well, while they're in
the middle of recording the album, Jason Cropper finds out
that his girlfriend Amy Welner is pregnant. That's a disturbing
thing to find out in and of itself, let alone
when you've got the pressure of recording your first album
on top of it, and the hard knuckled lead singer
saying no girlfriends. And what happens. She shows up unannounced
in New York City with no place to stay. And
apparently during the course of the recording the album, when
when Scott, when excuse me, when Jason Cropper would start
thinking about what was going on with this relationship, he'd
suddenly disappear and be on the top of the building
screaming his head off. It's not just one thing, but
the mounting of several things that caused Rivers to basically say, Jason,
you're out of the band. Yeah, and it's fine. I
listened to him. He's he's still friends with these guys, right,
and really, yeah, he's still friends with him. He says
in retrospect, it's kind of weird to be the Sid
Barrett or Pete Best of this generation, which I thought, Man,
you're putting yourself in some high society there. And he's
done some stuff. He sang the theme song for Andy
Ricker Controls of the Universe, So it's not like he's
done nothing. Nicest but maybe not quite said Barry Level
maybe or Pete Best bet.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now here they are in the middle of recording
this album and they are without a fourth member, there,
without their rhythm guitarist, and they decide to call Ryan
Bell because they'd heard him before. They'd never heard him
play guitar, they'd heard him play bass in another band.
But what drove them to call him was he really
looked like a guitarist, Like he was thin and wispy
and good looking and had abs and just had that
kind of persona of a guitarist. And so Pat Wilson
gets on the phone with him because he knows him better,
and he's like, hey, man, what are you doing how much?
What are you doing? Well, we're recording this, are you busy?
Because and then Rivers this is where this comes in.
I asked you earlier if you knew who Moman Naden
was right, yeah, yeah. So Rivers grabs the phone and
he's like, okay, could you come over here tomorrow? And
he's like yeah, probably. He's like, okay, what was your
favorite Star Wars action figure?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: And Brian Bell is like probably Hammerhead and he's like,
good answer, that's good enough. You're in the band. And
so because he picked Oma Naden otherwise known as Hammerhead
and probably even mentioned the double barreled laser cannon that
came with the action figure, he got his position in
the band and on the front of the debut album.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is I did not think we're going to
be talking Star Wars figures today.
Speaker 1: Can't leave the Nerd group without talking Star Wars.
Speaker 2: I would have gone for Grido, but you know, and
what's funny is while they were getting Brian into the band.
Rivers went back in and he re recorded pretty much
every guitar track that Jason had done and evidently did
it all in one take.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Rick Okasik was like, you can't do that, dude, we
are down the road. He's like, well watch me, I'm
gonna do it. This gonna be one take.
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite as simple to get Brian on board,
but one of the questions was can you sing? He
said yes, and within a day had sent them a
tape with him singing their songs without even really knowing
their songs. And they're like, yep, he can, he could sing,
he could play the guitar. We're good, let's do this,
and so he became a member of Weezer just like that.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: You talk about these guys, and I mean Rivers is
he's a special guy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: After this album he kind of leaves the music scene.
He enrolls in Harvard, grows his hair out, tries to
act like a nobody. He goes to Harvard and studies
music and tries to not be known by anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't. He ultimately dropped out, but went back
in two thousand and six and finished up his degree.
Speaker 4: Fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told you I read a story where he
went two years celibate as sort of a self imposed
punishment on himself because he had all these groupie relationships
and never experienced love. And he thought, you know what,
I'm gonna quit taking the easy route, cut myself off,
and try to.
Speaker 4: Go for a real relationship. And you said, how did
that work out for him? I said, well, he's married,
so I guess it'll worry it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we could go back a little bit, we
mentioned the guitar part on the song. There's a British
magazine called Q back in two thousand and seven, they
had a list of the twenty greatest guitar tracks of
all time. Number eight was only in Dreams by Weezer.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: What it scored ahead of Crazy Train Bozzi Osbourne number thirteen, Wow,
and Freight Ends of Sanityvno Italican number sixteen. So yeah,
well a lot of people do like it.
Speaker 1: Jason doesn't have this this top eight list. You're gonna
have to give us the seven songs that beat this solo.
Speaker 2: Number seven, The End by the Beatles number six, and
your Bird can sing. Also the Beatles guitar chef Well
buy the someone known as Big Bill Bruisie A Woman
in Winter by the Skids, which is a band from
which we got Big Country, but that's another story for
another time. Number three Little Wing by Jimmy Hendrix. Number
two Days in Confused by some band called Leads a
Pylon is also a led Zeppelin song Black Dog, So
they're pretty august company there.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I know, I know probably
five of that seven or a couple of them that
I'm like, what, how did this.
Speaker 4: Free Bird come on?
Speaker 1: Indeed? Where is Freebird?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had you paid as a Big Bill Bruisy fan.
Speaker 1: Okay, that does it for our coverage of the blue
album Wheezer. Fantastic job, guys. I love getting together and
talking music with you, guys. I can't wait to hear
what the Shirley fans think of this album, think of
the stories behind it. Guys. This is the first in
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not just blowing smoke up in the orifice,
but some of your you guys have released some fantastic
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the ones Looking at the Obscure, One, Hit Wonders and
all those are some fascinating stories. Man, I love every
one of those.
Speaker 1: He's being kind by saying some because Jason forced me
to cover Mariah Carey at some point.
Speaker 4: The story of all I Want for Christmas is you.
Speaker 2: You can neither confirm nor deny that our mission.
Speaker 4: James, Thanks for coming on with us, man, It's always
fun to have you on.
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Speaker 2: Fat bald guy. You can't miss him.
Speaker 4: Okay, do what do we got next week?
Speaker 1: If things go according to plan, I believe that we
have Live Throwing Copper next week.
Speaker 3: If we can get mister Brad Moore, the other Louisiana
big dog get with him, we will cover Live Throwing Copper,
another huge album from ninety four.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to talk about that.
Speaker 1: One one of my favorites of all time. I am
super excited to discuss that one. Guys, be sure and
come back for that album. We will see you all
next week