WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.599 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:29.359 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:30.000 the poll? 4 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:33.200 The question why. 5 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:41.159 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 6 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:48.560 truth we find. They built their tails on grafts and 7 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.280 lives on theories. 8 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:54.280 They stake their designed. 9 00:00:55.399 --> 00:01:02.840 Put down here on this solid grap the answer screen. 10 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:04.680 They're all around. 11 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.040 Rising break through all the lies. 12 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:16.319 FU Welcome back to shruth seekers from around the world. 13 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.719 It's time for another edition up the Flat Earth Files podcast. 14 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:23.799 I'm your host is always George Hobbs as we record 15 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.239 on this May the seventh, twenty twenty five. I hope 16 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:30.159 this message finds you well. We have a great interview 17 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:32.120 setup for you. Ready to go. Just two quick notes 18 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:35.400 before we get started. Of course, Number one, we've consolidated 19 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:38.680 our website. Check out our all in one website truthernet 20 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:39.079 dot com. 21 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:40.239 There's lots to do there. 22 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.920 And in my conversations with our guest, I am going 23 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:46.879 to add in the forums a little section on ham 24 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.760 radios and those type of things, because I think it's 25 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.719 great to have an ulterior or a secondary form of 26 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:55.480 communication in this day and age, and also it's just 27 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:57.439 handy to learn and if you homeschool, like so many 28 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.480 of our audiences do, I think it would be a 29 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:03.359 great class teaching how that works. Again, that's truth ornet 30 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:06.280 dot com. If you'd like to join the show, like 31 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.479 Wayne is this morning, please take the time out send 32 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:15.039 us an email to fe filesguest at gmail dot com. Again, 33 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.240 it is fe filesguest at gmail dot com. And again, 34 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:20.960 as we're recording, it's May seventh, and we already have 35 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.960 May scheduled out. So right now we're looking into June, 36 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.039 and by the time you get this podcast, it'll either 37 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.400 be late June or July. We'll be scheduling for We 38 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.599 may slow things down just for a bit, maybe one 39 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.919 podcast a week through July and early August, and then 40 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.240 we'll pick things back up as everybody's spending time outside 41 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:40.719 with their families taking vacations. 42 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.120 So there you go. I think that's all the housekeeping 43 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:44.000 we have. Today. 44 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:48.240 We're going to get into our interview with Wayne joining 45 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:52.639 us from Western Canada. Good morning, Wayne, how are you, sir? 46 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:56.599 I am doing extremely well because I'm on the Flat 47 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:57.360 Earth Files. 48 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:02.840 There you go, and we overcame all technical uh you know, 49 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.599 all these technical problems that they threw at us. We 50 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.159 we adapted, we overcame, and we have defeated the evil 51 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:10.400 technocracy once again. 52 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:12.759 You know what I was doing. I don't know if 53 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.599 you could hear me, but I was going Houston, Houston. 54 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:18.360 Yeah, I did hear Do you hear me? 55 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:21.240 Lost contact the radio phone. 56 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:23.280 I was going to hang a lemon on the screen, 57 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.080 just like Gus Grissom did. 58 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.879 We got caught in the Van Allen radio radiation belt. 59 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.360 There you go. Welcome to the program. 60 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:33.080 And if you would just take a few minutes and 61 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.479 introduce yourself to the audience, Yeah. 62 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:40.520 Thanks, I will. My name is Wayne. As as you said, George, 63 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:44.560 my name is only one notch less exciting than yours. 64 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.360 And we are in Western Canada. I grew up. Do 65 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:52.639 you want a little background as well? Absolutely, okay, sure, 66 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:56.360 So I grew up in just a normal middle class home. 67 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:00.560 My dad was a teacher, never had any teaching on 68 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.520 the Bible or faith or anything. 69 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:05.919 So I was kind of you know, but. 70 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:07.879 But you know, we lived at kind of a normal 71 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:10.879 moral life. There was you know, we were taught to 72 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.840 always obey authorities, you know, all many biblical foundations. I 73 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.319 think my parents had some for sure had some Christian upbringing. 74 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:22.920 None of that was transferred to us directly, so I 75 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:27.000 didn't have any kind of a Christian upbringing, no church 76 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:30.319 and none of that. But I did end up on 77 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.040 my own kind of as a child. My friend down 78 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.639 the street had had gone to it was going to 79 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.040 an Anglican church. So at one point, at a very 80 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.519 young age, I remember searching for God and I was like, 81 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.879 I just I felt that, you know, when my grandparents 82 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:47.439 passed away, that like this is impossible that you can't there. 83 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.360 You know, everything just ends, It's just doesn't. It just 84 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:53.439 didn't click. So I kind of went with him and 85 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.560 asked him if I could join his church. And it 86 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.759 was just one of these denominational religion churches and nothing 87 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.639 happen up in there. So I kind of meandered off 88 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:07.360 a bit from there and ended up, uh, kind of 89 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:10.680 getting into the unfortunate you know, teen years there of 90 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.120 rock and rolling, drugs, et cetera. But I do, I 91 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.800 do going back to my childhood again, there was some 92 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.600 times there where I remember because my dad, being a teacher, 93 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.240 had so many vacations, so and what we used to 94 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.120 go to this friend's cabin and and up there in 95 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.839 the area is called the Okanagan in BC, and up 96 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:33.040 there there's no light so that when you at nighttime, 97 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:35.759 you'll see the stars unlike anything else. 98 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.160 It's it's just just gorgeous. 99 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.959 And uh, I remember as a kid looking up into 100 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:44.160 the stars, and you know, being taught in school that 101 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.959 you know you're you're you're kind of in space, right, 102 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.839 And I remember I remember putting my feet I was 103 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:52.759 on the dock, and I remember putting my feet into 104 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.560 the air kind of trying to imagine that I'm flying 105 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.199 through space. And it just didn't work. Something what didn't click. 106 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.319 It wasn't right, and but I continued. And and another 107 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.000 another thing I remember on this topic was when when 108 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.800 I was I would say probably kindergarten, me and my 109 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:14.680 best friend were in in a sandbox, quite literally a sandbox, 110 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.600 and I remember he's like, if we dig down, well 111 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:22.000 we'll get to China. So I started, So we started digging, 112 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:27.839 and uh, sadly, our first disappointment with the heliocentric model 113 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.920 was discovered, and so thankfully I I started young, and 114 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.199 so but uh, yeah, so that's kind of my my 115 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:39.279 earlier years. And then but but the high school part, 116 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:42.360 you know, all I was ever told was you know, 117 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.279 go to school, get a job. That's kind of the 118 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:47.199 right path, that's what that's what you do. And but 119 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:50.720 somewhere in the middle there I got involved in some 120 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.600 multi level marketing businesses, which were you know, I didn't 121 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.920 have any success per se, but it was I think 122 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.120 it was a good experience because it got me kind 123 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:01.800 of thinking that okay, you can, you can. You don't 124 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:04.839 have to travel the same path as everybody else. You 125 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:06.480 can start a business. 126 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:10.360 You could. My family, as I mentioned, they weren't. There's 127 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:11.160 no business owner. 128 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.160 Well actually my grandpa was a business owner, but there 129 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:18.160 was no kind of encouragement to be entrepreneurial. So I 130 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.279 kind of found that path on my own as well. 131 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.000 And these all kind of intertwined if you kind of 132 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.839 go through your own life and think about where you 133 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.759 are today, right, and so they do interconnect, and so 134 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.519 I was kind of, I guess, a little bit nonconformists 135 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.519 there in the path that I started taking. But again, drugs, 136 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:38.040 rock and roll, that phase there was kind of it. 137 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:39.399 Thankfully, it was very short. 138 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.279 It was I would say it ranged from age seventeen 139 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:47.639 to nineteen ish, somewhere in there, sixteen to nineteen, but 140 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:53.040 at the tail end. I you know, thankfully the drugs 141 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:56.680 didn't go too far. But there was a time there 142 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.839 when I had I knew for sure. Let's just without 143 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.439 all the details, let's just say that I experienced satanic fear. 144 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.680 So I saw demons. I knew that the satanic realm 145 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.120 was real. This is before I had ever really heard 146 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.839 the Gospel of Jesus. I hadn't really heard the true gospel, 147 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:21.120 so I but I was absolutely convinced that there was 148 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:23.319 a demonic realm and that these are real. 149 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.240 And then and I did not like it. 150 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.720 And so then I guess fast forward about I don't 151 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:32.840 know half a year. One of my friends, Adrian, shout 152 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:34.639 out to Adrian, I'm sure he'll be listening because I 153 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:36.919 turned him onto this. By the way, I don't call 154 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:38.919 it a podcast. I call it an audio cast. Ask 155 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.360 me later why. But I turned him onto this audio 156 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:47.600 cast and he he got saved. He was with me 157 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.679 in my kind of group, but he got he became 158 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:53.720 a Christian. And the thing that I saw happened was 159 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.720 his life changed that right there. I don't care what 160 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.480 theory you have, I don't care what your religion is. 161 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.519 I don't care because I saw a man change from 162 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.480 quite a cold person to a warm and caring person. 163 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.120 And that right there was a miracle. 164 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:14.679 And so now I opened up to his gospel, which 165 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.159 was the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So you know, shortly 166 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:21.120 after that I got saved myself. I was at some 167 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.080 kind of a party and I woke up the next 168 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:28.240 day and I just had this very clear revelation that 169 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:32.600 I am an empty man. I have no purpose, I 170 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:35.919 am not happy. There's nothing on this earth for me 171 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:41.399 that satisfies. It's just absolutely vanity, just the worst and 172 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:46.360 just the darkest. I mean, I do understand depression. I 173 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.600 do understand these dark things, and thank God that I do, 174 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.759 because that day I received the Lord Jesus, and I 175 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:56.879 do recall in my car just a glorious kind of 176 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:57.279 a light. 177 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.039 And I knew that I didn't know the details. I 178 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:00.600 don't know much. 179 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:02.840 I didn't know anything about the Bible really, but I 180 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.240 knew I got saved and I was delivered. So that's 181 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:08.159 kind of that kind of got me into where I 182 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:13.759 am with my faith. And that really does tie in 183 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.519 with the flat Earth, because for me, I got into 184 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.320 the Bible and I knew, I knew as I read 185 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:25.120 the Bible. If you just read the Bible, there's certain 186 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.080 things you have to either say, I reject this part 187 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.639 of the Bible or I accept it as the Bible, 188 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.919 the word of God. So I got into a few things. 189 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:39.320 The first one I kind of landed on was Matthew 190 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:40.320 twenty four. 191 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:43.039 I believe where he's. 192 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.320 Talking about, you know, these will be the end times, 193 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:49.399 these will be the signs of the end, and you know, 194 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:51.559 and I started to look at these signs, you know, 195 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:57.600 earthquakes in various places, famines, you know, people will I 196 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:59.159 don't know if that's where it says the love of 197 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:01.960 many will growl, but I'm pretty sure that I started 198 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.559 to look at all these signs of the end and 199 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:08.279 I'm like, wow, we certainly are looking like we're in 200 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:09.919 that kind of a time frame. 201 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:11.320 And I then I read about. 202 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.039 Noah and and I realized, you know, he said at 203 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.200 the end times will be like the times of Noah. 204 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.639 And all of these things were starting to line up 205 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:21.559 as I as I just flipped through the newspaper. Did 206 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.600 we have those done? Yes, we did, and now we 207 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:29.159 now we click through them. But it was, yeah, it was. 208 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.720 It was a really great time because I started to 209 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.480 question things. Of course, the first when I was in 210 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.720 music school. I went to music school by the way, 211 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:41.600 I did classical guitar, and in that in that course, 212 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.519 in that diploma program, I met I met a guy. 213 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.399 He was a Christian, and he started telling me that 214 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:55.279 evolution was a lie. So I actually was a Bible believing, 215 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.559 saved person and what he said actually surprised me, and I, now, 216 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:01.840 this is so, this is so. He just simply opened 217 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.039 his Bible and he showed me Genesis and said, oh, yeah, 218 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:06.840 that is true. And then and then he showed me 219 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.519 what they're teaching. I'm like, yeah, that's true. That cannot 220 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.240 work with the Bible. So I started with evolution realizing 221 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:17.559 that absolutely is a lie. And from there it's really 222 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:21.600 there's a few key lies. In fact, one of my 223 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:24.960 after I was talking to you, George, I I actually 224 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:26.960 cracked open one of my old blogs. I'm so busy 225 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.320 I never get a chance to reread anything I wrote, 226 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:34.399 but I realized that there was there's three things that 227 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:35.480 kind of go together. 228 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:36.600 There's space. 229 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:42.360 Ah, what was it again, There's three things, aliens, space, 230 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:43.919 and evolution. 231 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:45.519 I think those were the three things. 232 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:49.200 Yeah, and you kind of need them all together to 233 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.840 for the for the whole lie to work. So yeah, 234 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:54.759 I see you see that you agree to right. Yeah, 235 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.759 So basically I kind of had this. So so once 236 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:02.480 you once you realize is a lie, I think at 237 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:07.759 that point you're kind of you're having to fight the 238 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:13.279 biblical cosmology or the flat earth, right, because it's the 239 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:17.600 same exact process, exactly the same process of. 240 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:19.919 Evolution. 241 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.000 You look at evolution, you look at your Bible, you 242 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.840 reject evolution. You look at the ball earth, you look 243 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.240 at the Bible. You have to reject the ball earth. 244 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:31.120 That to me, it was that. 245 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:37.159 Simple and so so then I'm a bit of a monologue. 246 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:38.360 I just want to make sure that I get all 247 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:39.639 these goings so okay. 248 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:45.039 And then at some point around after that I got 249 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:48.840 into I just oh, actually this is a this is 250 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.399 kind of funny. So my dad he recently passed away. 251 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:53.720 But the one how I actually got into the flat 252 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:58.320 earth was he had joked around. I didn't know he was. 253 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.399 He's a joker by the way. He was a but 254 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:06.240 he he said there was no moon landing. It was 255 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:09.360 it was a fake. Can't you tell by the way 256 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:12.200 the flag was wasn't moving or something. He said something, 257 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:13.679 and then he said it with a straight face, and 258 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:19.080 I think he thought that I wouldn't like that. That 259 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:22.279 that that I thought it was. I don't know what 260 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.720 he thought, but I said. I ended up arguing with him, 261 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:26.879 like the Earth the moon landing is not fake. 262 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:28.600 I mean, what are you talking about? You joker? 263 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:30.759 Right, And then so I went, I said, I went, 264 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.279 and look here, I'll let me prove it to you. 265 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.159 I didn't know he was joking, that was the point. 266 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:37.440 So I ended up going online and searching to prove 267 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.200 that the moon landing was not faked. And so in 268 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:45.519 the process of that search term, I found out the 269 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:50.159 moon landing in fact was faked, so so so so 270 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.440 that was actually I can credit credit my dad for 271 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.720 that one. So then I ended up on So here's 272 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:58.759 where it got a little interesting because I ended up 273 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.759 on YouTube. There used to be a channel, and I 274 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.519 think it got actually censored right down to nothing. But 275 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:09.759 Eric Dubay okay, yeah, he was fairly famous around twenty fifteen, 276 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:12.639 and there's tons of views on YouTube, Like his stuff 277 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:14.720 was getting tons of traffic and you could see the 278 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.360 count going up. And I remember I shared it with 279 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:19.919 the same friend Adrian and he got into it, and 280 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.679 then all of a sudden it disappeared from YouTube and 281 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:25.960 then it kind of reappeared at the bottom of the list, 282 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.320 but you could see the view counts were like zero, 283 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.000 like nothing compared to what I knew they used to be. 284 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.360 So now I'm even more intrigued, saying, wait a second here, 285 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:38.720 this topic is getting censored, right, Why is that The 286 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:42.399 only things people censor are things that have importance, right, right, 287 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:46.720 You don't censor stuff that doesn't matter. Right, So then 288 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.559 I got even more into it, and that got me 289 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.960 kind of where I am today. So yeah, so that 290 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:55.360 kind of that's where that's kind of the background and 291 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.840 what got me into the topic, and I completely changed 292 00:15:58.840 --> 00:15:59.159 my life. 293 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.240 Actually it is life changing. 294 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.799 And I'm going to go in a different order than 295 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.120 I wrote my notes down. But you made such a 296 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:09.519 good point. You go through the Bible, you open it 297 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:13.320 up and you say, well, evolution camp you know, this 298 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:18.000 disproves evolution, and then you you know, continue through Genesis 299 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:23.080 and you say, well, this doesn't align with heliocentrism, so 300 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.440 that can't be true. But the way you described it 301 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.399 now easily it clicked with you. It is not how 302 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.919 it works with ninety five percent of the other people 303 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.879 in case and point, and I'm glad you brought it 304 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:39.279 up last night. Answers in Genesis ken Ham's platform out 305 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.159 of Kentucky, the guy who built the Big arc you 306 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:48.399 know down there, he you know, he posts probably every 307 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:53.159 other day something snarky about flatter yeah, biz our Yeah. 308 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.279 And I put in the comments and I said, how 309 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.159 can you see the lies of evolution and Big Bang 310 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:04.480 and not connect them to biblical Earth, biblical cosmology? And 311 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.559 the amount of people in the comments that just went 312 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.720 after me, even people who have been following my podcast, 313 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.880 my other podcast for years. I love you, brother, but 314 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:17.839 come on, man, And it's just yeah, and it's just 315 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.119 very frustrating because how you put it, like, all right, 316 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:25.319 here's the book. It obviously disproves evolution, it obviously disproves 317 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:28.680 the Big Bang, but oh wait, they're not lying about 318 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.720 We're on a spinning ball and the Sun's moving four 319 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.759 hundred thousand miles an hour and water can magically bend. 320 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:40.079 It really is amazing to me the amount of the 321 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:44.359 size of the psychological operation, and most of it is 322 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:49.039 subconscious through movies, music, yeah, you know those type of 323 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:52.720 v program It is so it is the heaviest in people. 324 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:53.519 It is. 325 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.599 They call you silly, saying that we live on a 326 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.400 level plane where water is contained by anarctica. But then 327 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:02.960 I mentioned I said, if you can imagine the dynamics 328 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:06.079 of skydiving in Australia. But I'm the silly one. 329 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:11.279 Right, And you know it's it's it's so thick and heavy, 330 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.640 and and you can tell again, I think I've heard 331 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:18.519 other people on your on your show saying this, but 332 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:24.720 you can tell by the weird emotional reaction to the topic. 333 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:28.400 It's the same as why Eric Dubay got censored. 334 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.240 Right. There's you're. 335 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.599 You don't want to I think what it is is 336 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:36.880 nobody really wants to admit. 337 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:39.359 They're that dumb, right, you know. 338 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:41.480 I but I was okay with that because I've been 339 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.680 dumb so many times, right, And it's it's okay to 340 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.200 be wrong, right, But and especially related to the Word 341 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.839 of God, you have to be wrong. 342 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:50.920 You can't be right. 343 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:54.960 It's it's not an option, right, And but the thickness 344 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:58.359 of this one is so bizarre. It's it's also like 345 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:00.799 it always ends up being the elephant in the room too. 346 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:04.559 It's like the weird topic where you can talk about it. 347 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.799 You can even talk about political leaders and topics like that, 348 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.519 but you can't talk about the shape of the earth. 349 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:12.920 It's just bizarre. 350 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:17.720 You know, on top of pointing out Bible verses like 351 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:19.839 Psalms one eighteen eight that talks about you better put 352 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:21.920 your trust in God, not man, because man will let 353 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:25.400 you down. But I also, you know First Corinthians sixteen 354 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:28.440 thirteen or fourteen, it says, be watchful, stand firm in 355 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:32.000 the faith, act like men, be strong, and then let 356 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:36.160 all you do be done in love. But even when 357 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.640 you bring this up, whether they're they're a pastor or 358 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:41.160 kem Ham, they melt and they explode when you try 359 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.400 to bring up something that is clearly Even one of 360 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:47.640 the people arguing with me last night brought up the 361 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.480 one about God looking down at us at grasshoppers, the 362 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:52.480 circle of the earth. He put circle, and then in 363 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.640 parentheses he wrote sphere. I said, wait a second, you 364 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:59.680 injected the word sphere. Nowhere doesn't say sphere. 365 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.240 No, and that and that's so that's the same as 366 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.480 me when I one thing I was doing just prior 367 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:09.319 to discovering this topic was I I always want to 368 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:12.279 be sure myself like I. I don't, and I because listen, 369 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.000 even right now, we're probably wrong on a few things, right, 370 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.720 we didn't. Nobody's got it perfectly right. So I opened 371 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:21.000 up I opened up Genesis. And there's a great Bible 372 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:24.039 resource by the way, which I hope that the listeners 373 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.359 have have heard of. But it's called blue Letterbible dot 374 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:31.720 I think it's blue Letterbible dot org. What you can 375 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:36.079 do on let me just quickly crack it open here, 376 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:39.319 hold on blue Letterbible dot Yeah, it is dot org. 377 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:41.960 And then what you can do is, let's just take 378 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.680 for example, Genesis. You can type in Genesis in the 379 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.279 search field Genesis one for example, and then right at 380 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:51.920 the top, it's a little bit of an old HTML design, 381 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:55.119 but you'll see us the strongs button at the top. 382 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:58.759 You just click that and then everything will expand and 383 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.039 you'll see all of the strong concordance numbers right there. So, 384 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:05.720 for example, you can go down to whereas a Genesis 385 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:09.359 one seven, Yeah, Genesis one seven, and God made the firmament, 386 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.559 and then you'll see h seven five four nine. 387 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:14.319 You can click that and. 388 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:18.519 You will see the actual Hebrew word, which is rakia. 389 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:20.640 You can even click it and learn the Hebrew and 390 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:23.039 learn to speak it. I was actually doing that for fun, 391 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.319 by the way, but it says right here an extended 392 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:31.319 surface expanse firmament considered as by the Hebrews. I like 393 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.119 how they even put that in this website, considered by 394 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.799 the Hebrews as solid and supporting waters above. Like, why 395 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.079 did you have to say considered by the Hebrews. It's 396 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:44.480 it's how about written by God, you know, through the Hebrews. 397 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:44.720 Right. 398 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.920 But anyway, so that that resource I went to and 399 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:51.200 I even went so far as to see the stars 400 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:55.160 and the moon as being in the firmament. So that 401 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:58.799