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Speaker 6: We're going to get into our interview with Wayne joining
Speaker 6: us from Western Canada. Good morning, Wayne, how are you, sir?
Speaker 7: I am doing extremely well because I'm on the Flat
Speaker 7: Earth Files.
Speaker 6: There you go, and we overcame all technical uh you know,
Speaker 6: all these technical problems that they threw at us. We
Speaker 6: we adapted, we overcame, and we have defeated the evil
Speaker 6: technocracy once again.
Speaker 7: You know what I was doing. I don't know if
Speaker 7: you could hear me, but I was going Houston, Houston.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did hear Do you hear me?
Speaker 8: Lost contact the radio phone.
Speaker 6: I was going to hang a lemon on the screen,
Speaker 6: just like Gus Grissom did.
Speaker 7: We got caught in the Van Allen radio radiation belt.
Speaker 3: There you go. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 6: And if you would just take a few minutes and
Speaker 6: introduce yourself to the audience, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Thanks, I will. My name is Wayne. As as you said, George,
Speaker 7: my name is only one notch less exciting than yours.
Speaker 7: And we are in Western Canada. I grew up. Do
Speaker 7: you want a little background as well? Absolutely, okay, sure,
Speaker 7: So I grew up in just a normal middle class home.
Speaker 7: My dad was a teacher, never had any teaching on
Speaker 7: the Bible or faith or anything.
Speaker 8: So I was kind of you know, but.
Speaker 7: But you know, we lived at kind of a normal
Speaker 7: moral life. There was you know, we were taught to
Speaker 7: always obey authorities, you know, all many biblical foundations. I
Speaker 7: think my parents had some for sure had some Christian upbringing.
Speaker 7: None of that was transferred to us directly, so I
Speaker 7: didn't have any kind of a Christian upbringing, no church
Speaker 7: and none of that. But I did end up on
Speaker 7: my own kind of as a child. My friend down
Speaker 7: the street had had gone to it was going to
Speaker 7: an Anglican church. So at one point, at a very
Speaker 7: young age, I remember searching for God and I was like,
Speaker 7: I just I felt that, you know, when my grandparents
Speaker 7: passed away, that like this is impossible that you can't there.
Speaker 7: You know, everything just ends, It's just doesn't. It just
Speaker 7: didn't click. So I kind of went with him and
Speaker 7: asked him if I could join his church. And it
Speaker 7: was just one of these denominational religion churches and nothing
Speaker 7: happen up in there. So I kind of meandered off
Speaker 7: a bit from there and ended up, uh, kind of
Speaker 7: getting into the unfortunate you know, teen years there of
Speaker 7: rock and rolling, drugs, et cetera. But I do, I
Speaker 7: do going back to my childhood again, there was some
Speaker 7: times there where I remember because my dad, being a teacher,
Speaker 7: had so many vacations, so and what we used to
Speaker 7: go to this friend's cabin and and up there in
Speaker 7: the area is called the Okanagan in BC, and up
Speaker 7: there there's no light so that when you at nighttime,
Speaker 7: you'll see the stars unlike anything else.
Speaker 8: It's it's just just gorgeous.
Speaker 7: And uh, I remember as a kid looking up into
Speaker 7: the stars, and you know, being taught in school that
Speaker 7: you know you're you're you're kind of in space, right,
Speaker 7: And I remember I remember putting my feet I was
Speaker 7: on the dock, and I remember putting my feet into
Speaker 7: the air kind of trying to imagine that I'm flying
Speaker 7: through space. And it just didn't work. Something what didn't click.
Speaker 7: It wasn't right, and but I continued. And and another
Speaker 7: another thing I remember on this topic was when when
Speaker 7: I was I would say probably kindergarten, me and my
Speaker 7: best friend were in in a sandbox, quite literally a sandbox,
Speaker 7: and I remember he's like, if we dig down, well
Speaker 7: we'll get to China. So I started, So we started digging,
Speaker 7: and uh, sadly, our first disappointment with the heliocentric model
Speaker 7: was discovered, and so thankfully I I started young, and
Speaker 7: so but uh, yeah, so that's kind of my my
Speaker 7: earlier years. And then but but the high school part,
Speaker 7: you know, all I was ever told was you know,
Speaker 7: go to school, get a job. That's kind of the
Speaker 7: right path, that's what that's what you do. And but
Speaker 7: somewhere in the middle there I got involved in some
Speaker 7: multi level marketing businesses, which were you know, I didn't
Speaker 7: have any success per se, but it was I think
Speaker 7: it was a good experience because it got me kind
Speaker 7: of thinking that okay, you can, you can. You don't
Speaker 7: have to travel the same path as everybody else. You
Speaker 7: can start a business.
Speaker 8: You could. My family, as I mentioned, they weren't. There's
Speaker 8: no business owner.
Speaker 7: Well actually my grandpa was a business owner, but there
Speaker 7: was no kind of encouragement to be entrepreneurial. So I
Speaker 7: kind of found that path on my own as well.
Speaker 7: And these all kind of intertwined if you kind of
Speaker 7: go through your own life and think about where you
Speaker 7: are today, right, and so they do interconnect, and so
Speaker 7: I was kind of, I guess, a little bit nonconformists
Speaker 7: there in the path that I started taking. But again, drugs,
Speaker 7: rock and roll, that phase there was kind of it.
Speaker 8: Thankfully, it was very short.
Speaker 7: It was I would say it ranged from age seventeen
Speaker 7: to nineteen ish, somewhere in there, sixteen to nineteen, but
Speaker 7: at the tail end. I you know, thankfully the drugs
Speaker 7: didn't go too far. But there was a time there
Speaker 7: when I had I knew for sure. Let's just without
Speaker 7: all the details, let's just say that I experienced satanic fear.
Speaker 7: So I saw demons. I knew that the satanic realm
Speaker 7: was real. This is before I had ever really heard
Speaker 7: the Gospel of Jesus. I hadn't really heard the true gospel,
Speaker 7: so I but I was absolutely convinced that there was
Speaker 7: a demonic realm and that these are real.
Speaker 8: And then and I did not like it.
Speaker 7: And so then I guess fast forward about I don't
Speaker 7: know half a year. One of my friends, Adrian, shout
Speaker 7: out to Adrian, I'm sure he'll be listening because I
Speaker 7: turned him onto this. By the way, I don't call
Speaker 7: it a podcast. I call it an audio cast. Ask
Speaker 7: me later why. But I turned him onto this audio
Speaker 7: cast and he he got saved. He was with me
Speaker 7: in my kind of group, but he got he became
Speaker 7: a Christian. And the thing that I saw happened was
Speaker 7: his life changed that right there. I don't care what
Speaker 7: theory you have, I don't care what your religion is.
Speaker 7: I don't care because I saw a man change from
Speaker 7: quite a cold person to a warm and caring person.
Speaker 8: And that right there was a miracle.
Speaker 7: And so now I opened up to his gospel, which
Speaker 7: was the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So you know, shortly
Speaker 7: after that I got saved myself. I was at some
Speaker 7: kind of a party and I woke up the next
Speaker 7: day and I just had this very clear revelation that
Speaker 7: I am an empty man. I have no purpose, I
Speaker 7: am not happy. There's nothing on this earth for me
Speaker 7: that satisfies. It's just absolutely vanity, just the worst and
Speaker 7: just the darkest. I mean, I do understand depression. I
Speaker 7: do understand these dark things, and thank God that I do,
Speaker 7: because that day I received the Lord Jesus, and I
Speaker 7: do recall in my car just a glorious kind of
Speaker 7: a light.
Speaker 8: And I knew that I didn't know the details. I
Speaker 8: don't know much.
Speaker 7: I didn't know anything about the Bible really, but I
Speaker 7: knew I got saved and I was delivered. So that's
Speaker 7: kind of that kind of got me into where I
Speaker 7: am with my faith. And that really does tie in
Speaker 7: with the flat Earth, because for me, I got into
Speaker 7: the Bible and I knew, I knew as I read
Speaker 7: the Bible. If you just read the Bible, there's certain
Speaker 7: things you have to either say, I reject this part
Speaker 7: of the Bible or I accept it as the Bible,
Speaker 7: the word of God. So I got into a few things.
Speaker 7: The first one I kind of landed on was Matthew
Speaker 7: twenty four.
Speaker 8: I believe where he's.
Speaker 7: Talking about, you know, these will be the end times,
Speaker 7: these will be the signs of the end, and you know,
Speaker 7: and I started to look at these signs, you know,
Speaker 7: earthquakes in various places, famines, you know, people will I
Speaker 7: don't know if that's where it says the love of
Speaker 7: many will growl, but I'm pretty sure that I started
Speaker 7: to look at all these signs of the end and
Speaker 7: I'm like, wow, we certainly are looking like we're in
Speaker 7: that kind of a time frame.
Speaker 8: And I then I read about.
Speaker 7: Noah and and I realized, you know, he said at
Speaker 7: the end times will be like the times of Noah.
Speaker 7: And all of these things were starting to line up
Speaker 7: as I as I just flipped through the newspaper. Did
Speaker 7: we have those done? Yes, we did, and now we
Speaker 7: now we click through them. But it was, yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was a really great time because I started to
Speaker 7: question things. Of course, the first when I was in
Speaker 7: music school. I went to music school by the way,
Speaker 7: I did classical guitar, and in that in that course,
Speaker 7: in that diploma program, I met I met a guy.
Speaker 7: He was a Christian, and he started telling me that
Speaker 7: evolution was a lie. So I actually was a Bible believing,
Speaker 7: saved person and what he said actually surprised me, and I, now,
Speaker 7: this is so, this is so. He just simply opened
Speaker 7: his Bible and he showed me Genesis and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 7: that is true. And then and then he showed me
Speaker 7: what they're teaching. I'm like, yeah, that's true. That cannot
Speaker 7: work with the Bible. So I started with evolution realizing
Speaker 7: that absolutely is a lie. And from there it's really
Speaker 7: there's a few key lies. In fact, one of my
Speaker 7: after I was talking to you, George, I I actually
Speaker 7: cracked open one of my old blogs. I'm so busy
Speaker 7: I never get a chance to reread anything I wrote,
Speaker 7: but I realized that there was there's three things that
Speaker 7: kind of go together.
Speaker 8: There's space.
Speaker 7: Ah, what was it again, There's three things, aliens, space,
Speaker 7: and evolution.
Speaker 8: I think those were the three things.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you kind of need them all together to
Speaker 7: for the for the whole lie to work. So yeah,
Speaker 7: I see you see that you agree to right. Yeah,
Speaker 7: So basically I kind of had this. So so once
Speaker 7: you once you realize is a lie, I think at
Speaker 7: that point you're kind of you're having to fight the
Speaker 7: biblical cosmology or the flat earth, right, because it's the
Speaker 7: same exact process, exactly the same process of.
Speaker 8: Evolution.
Speaker 7: You look at evolution, you look at your Bible, you
Speaker 7: reject evolution. You look at the ball earth, you look
Speaker 7: at the Bible. You have to reject the ball earth.
Speaker 8: That to me, it was that.
Speaker 7: Simple and so so then I'm a bit of a monologue.
Speaker 8: I just want to make sure that I get all
Speaker 8: these goings so okay.
Speaker 7: And then at some point around after that I got
Speaker 7: into I just oh, actually this is a this is
Speaker 7: kind of funny. So my dad he recently passed away.
Speaker 7: But the one how I actually got into the flat
Speaker 7: earth was he had joked around. I didn't know he was.
Speaker 7: He's a joker by the way. He was a but
Speaker 7: he he said there was no moon landing. It was
Speaker 7: it was a fake. Can't you tell by the way
Speaker 7: the flag was wasn't moving or something. He said something,
Speaker 7: and then he said it with a straight face, and
Speaker 7: I think he thought that I wouldn't like that. That
Speaker 7: that that I thought it was. I don't know what
Speaker 7: he thought, but I said. I ended up arguing with him,
Speaker 7: like the Earth the moon landing is not fake.
Speaker 8: I mean, what are you talking about? You joker?
Speaker 7: Right, And then so I went, I said, I went,
Speaker 7: and look here, I'll let me prove it to you.
Speaker 8: I didn't know he was joking, that was the point.
Speaker 7: So I ended up going online and searching to prove
Speaker 7: that the moon landing was not faked. And so in
Speaker 7: the process of that search term, I found out the
Speaker 7: moon landing in fact was faked, so so so so
Speaker 7: that was actually I can credit credit my dad for
Speaker 7: that one. So then I ended up on So here's
Speaker 7: where it got a little interesting because I ended up
Speaker 7: on YouTube. There used to be a channel, and I
Speaker 7: think it got actually censored right down to nothing. But
Speaker 7: Eric Dubay okay, yeah, he was fairly famous around twenty fifteen,
Speaker 7: and there's tons of views on YouTube, Like his stuff
Speaker 7: was getting tons of traffic and you could see the
Speaker 7: count going up. And I remember I shared it with
Speaker 7: the same friend Adrian and he got into it, and
Speaker 7: then all of a sudden it disappeared from YouTube and
Speaker 7: then it kind of reappeared at the bottom of the list,
Speaker 7: but you could see the view counts were like zero,
Speaker 7: like nothing compared to what I knew they used to be.
Speaker 7: So now I'm even more intrigued, saying, wait a second here,
Speaker 7: this topic is getting censored, right, Why is that The
Speaker 7: only things people censor are things that have importance, right, right,
Speaker 7: You don't censor stuff that doesn't matter. Right, So then
Speaker 7: I got even more into it, and that got me
Speaker 7: kind of where I am today. So yeah, so that
Speaker 7: kind of that's where that's kind of the background and
Speaker 7: what got me into the topic, and I completely changed
Speaker 7: my life.
Speaker 3: Actually it is life changing.
Speaker 6: And I'm going to go in a different order than
Speaker 6: I wrote my notes down. But you made such a
Speaker 6: good point. You go through the Bible, you open it
Speaker 6: up and you say, well, evolution camp you know, this
Speaker 6: disproves evolution, and then you you know, continue through Genesis
Speaker 6: and you say, well, this doesn't align with heliocentrism, so
Speaker 6: that can't be true. But the way you described it
Speaker 6: now easily it clicked with you. It is not how
Speaker 6: it works with ninety five percent of the other people
Speaker 6: in case and point, and I'm glad you brought it
Speaker 6: up last night. Answers in Genesis ken Ham's platform out
Speaker 6: of Kentucky, the guy who built the Big arc you
Speaker 6: know down there, he you know, he posts probably every
Speaker 6: other day something snarky about flatter yeah, biz our Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I put in the comments and I said, how
Speaker 6: can you see the lies of evolution and Big Bang
Speaker 6: and not connect them to biblical Earth, biblical cosmology? And
Speaker 6: the amount of people in the comments that just went
Speaker 6: after me, even people who have been following my podcast,
Speaker 6: my other podcast for years. I love you, brother, but
Speaker 6: come on, man, And it's just yeah, and it's just
Speaker 6: very frustrating because how you put it, like, all right,
Speaker 6: here's the book. It obviously disproves evolution, it obviously disproves
Speaker 6: the Big Bang, but oh wait, they're not lying about
Speaker 6: We're on a spinning ball and the Sun's moving four
Speaker 6: hundred thousand miles an hour and water can magically bend.
Speaker 6: It really is amazing to me the amount of the
Speaker 6: size of the psychological operation, and most of it is
Speaker 6: subconscious through movies, music, yeah, you know those type of
Speaker 6: v program It is so it is the heaviest in people.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 6: They call you silly, saying that we live on a
Speaker 6: level plane where water is contained by anarctica. But then
Speaker 6: I mentioned I said, if you can imagine the dynamics
Speaker 6: of skydiving in Australia. But I'm the silly one.
Speaker 7: Right, And you know it's it's it's so thick and heavy,
Speaker 7: and and you can tell again, I think I've heard
Speaker 7: other people on your on your show saying this, but
Speaker 7: you can tell by the weird emotional reaction to the topic.
Speaker 7: It's the same as why Eric Dubay got censored.
Speaker 8: Right. There's you're.
Speaker 7: You don't want to I think what it is is
Speaker 7: nobody really wants to admit.
Speaker 8: They're that dumb, right, you know.
Speaker 7: I but I was okay with that because I've been
Speaker 7: dumb so many times, right, And it's it's okay to
Speaker 7: be wrong, right, But and especially related to the Word
Speaker 7: of God, you have to be wrong.
Speaker 8: You can't be right.
Speaker 7: It's it's not an option, right, And but the thickness
Speaker 7: of this one is so bizarre. It's it's also like
Speaker 7: it always ends up being the elephant in the room too.
Speaker 7: It's like the weird topic where you can talk about it.
Speaker 7: You can even talk about political leaders and topics like that,
Speaker 7: but you can't talk about the shape of the earth.
Speaker 8: It's just bizarre.
Speaker 6: You know, on top of pointing out Bible verses like
Speaker 6: Psalms one eighteen eight that talks about you better put
Speaker 6: your trust in God, not man, because man will let
Speaker 6: you down. But I also, you know First Corinthians sixteen
Speaker 6: thirteen or fourteen, it says, be watchful, stand firm in
Speaker 6: the faith, act like men, be strong, and then let
Speaker 6: all you do be done in love. But even when
Speaker 6: you bring this up, whether they're they're a pastor or
Speaker 6: kem Ham, they melt and they explode when you try
Speaker 6: to bring up something that is clearly Even one of
Speaker 6: the people arguing with me last night brought up the
Speaker 6: one about God looking down at us at grasshoppers, the
Speaker 6: circle of the earth. He put circle, and then in
Speaker 6: parentheses he wrote sphere. I said, wait a second, you
Speaker 6: injected the word sphere. Nowhere doesn't say sphere.
Speaker 7: No, and that and that's so that's the same as
Speaker 7: me when I one thing I was doing just prior
Speaker 7: to discovering this topic was I I always want to
Speaker 7: be sure myself like I. I don't, and I because listen,
Speaker 7: even right now, we're probably wrong on a few things, right,
Speaker 7: we didn't. Nobody's got it perfectly right. So I opened
Speaker 7: up I opened up Genesis. And there's a great Bible
Speaker 7: resource by the way, which I hope that the listeners
Speaker 7: have have heard of. But it's called blue Letterbible dot
Speaker 7: I think it's blue Letterbible dot org. What you can
Speaker 7: do on let me just quickly crack it open here,
Speaker 7: hold on blue Letterbible dot Yeah, it is dot org.
Speaker 7: And then what you can do is, let's just take
Speaker 7: for example, Genesis. You can type in Genesis in the
Speaker 7: search field Genesis one for example, and then right at
Speaker 7: the top, it's a little bit of an old HTML design,
Speaker 7: but you'll see us the strongs button at the top.
Speaker 7: You just click that and then everything will expand and
Speaker 7: you'll see all of the strong concordance numbers right there. So,
Speaker 7: for example, you can go down to whereas a Genesis
Speaker 7: one seven, Yeah, Genesis one seven, and God made the firmament,
Speaker 7: and then you'll see h seven five four nine.
Speaker 8: You can click that and.
Speaker 7: You will see the actual Hebrew word, which is rakia.
Speaker 7: You can even click it and learn the Hebrew and
Speaker 7: learn to speak it. I was actually doing that for fun,
Speaker 7: by the way, but it says right here an extended
Speaker 7: surface expanse firmament considered as by the Hebrews. I like
Speaker 7: how they even put that in this website, considered by
Speaker 7: the Hebrews as solid and supporting waters above. Like, why
Speaker 7: did you have to say considered by the Hebrews. It's
Speaker 7: it's how about written by God, you know, through the Hebrews.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: But anyway, so that that resource I went to and
Speaker 7: I even went so far as to see the stars
Speaker 7: and the moon as being in the firmament. So that
Speaker 7: was an interesting one because the preposition in I looked
Speaker 7: at the Hebrew and how those prepositions work, and it
Speaker 7: does appear that the sun in the moon are actually
Speaker 7: in the firmament. Now I don't again, I don't have
Speaker 7: the full understanding, but this is the process that I
Speaker 7: go through rather than trusting a doctor of divinity or
Speaker 7: a professor or ken Ham or some guy who has
Speaker 7: his own programming bias. Right, we have to trust in
Speaker 7: the word of God. We cannot trust in man.
Speaker 6: Hey man, And yeah, I use I always forget about
Speaker 6: this because strongs concordance I use separately. But this is
Speaker 6: an all in one blue Letterbible dot org. And I'll
Speaker 6: put I already have it in the show notes for people,
Speaker 6: and then the pronunciations there how it's said it's a
Speaker 6: masculine noun. And then number one extended service that is solid,
Speaker 6: that is solid, that is solid. And you know, you
Speaker 6: either believe the Bible as it is or you don't.
Speaker 6: And it still blows my mind at the same time,
Speaker 6: I get it. But you know, as I got older,
Speaker 6: I took the time to research things. I don't issue anything,
Speaker 6: but when a spinning ball, that water sticks to the nole,
Speaker 6: river flows up a hill, and all these other things,
Speaker 6: is more sensical than just simple geocentrism. Man, there is
Speaker 6: even for many of the people who were consider themselves
Speaker 6: awake right know anything about nine to eleven, this, that
Speaker 6: and the other thing, but they just can't see past that. Wow,
Speaker 6: how do we destroy that radar on top of the building, like,
Speaker 6: and they live? To break this trance that people are under, well.
Speaker 7: I think I think it's kind of happening organically, which
Speaker 7: is encouraging. Like, I don't know if you were following
Speaker 7: that blue or Rye and what was that thing called
Speaker 7: that blue orchid or that stupid spaceship that looked like anyway,
Speaker 7: that one right there. It was so bad that, you know,
Speaker 7: it was so fake and so poorly executed that it's
Speaker 7: almost like it's almost it's almost now you have to
Speaker 7: you have to fight to continue to believe the narrative,
Speaker 7: because if that's why the moon landing started me towards
Speaker 7: the biblical cosmology, because you once you realize that they
Speaker 7: faked the moon landing, and it's so obvious, my goodness
Speaker 7: if you look at it now. So if if that's true,
Speaker 7: then then then you you're you're I think this. I
Speaker 7: think the reason why it doesn't go far with people
Speaker 7: is because they they're faced with this one question, why
Speaker 7: the lie? No, but no way somebody would lie about
Speaker 7: you know, but because they're not again not reading the Bible,
Speaker 7: or don't believe the Bible.
Speaker 8: So so if you don't believe the Bible, or.
Speaker 7: You refuse to kind of accept it for what it is,
Speaker 7: then yeah, it's pretty hard to get through it because
Speaker 7: you just don't want to be dumb.
Speaker 8: You don't want to feel like you've been duped.
Speaker 6: Right, that's right, that's that's right, and something I ask
Speaker 6: a lot of our guests, and I want to ask
Speaker 6: you because as you were talking, I was looking at
Speaker 6: Blue Origin. I didn't realize it was twenty five years old.
Speaker 6: It was started way back in two thousand and apparently
Speaker 6: it was started on the down low with private investors.
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah.
Speaker 6: And apparently they're also working on they're part of the
Speaker 6: Artemis program, which is interesting how they name all these
Speaker 6: things after grads.
Speaker 3: Right, But do you.
Speaker 6: Think this is simply a diversion which plays a large
Speaker 6: part of the subconscious propaganda of the globe, or do
Speaker 6: you think it's something more even nefarious than that. Do
Speaker 6: you think they are using these things to try to
Speaker 6: break through the firmament and just in their mind, not
Speaker 6: saying it's possible, but do you think there's something more
Speaker 6: nefarious do it than just psychological operations.
Speaker 7: I do find it interesting that there is such a
Speaker 7: fascination with shooting rockets into the sky.
Speaker 8: I can't deny that it's a little bit. They do
Speaker 8: it quite a bit, so.
Speaker 7: Much that it's kind of hard to to to think
Speaker 7: that they're not trying to do something or testing that
Speaker 7: you know, exactly, like maybe testing the strength of the firmament,
Speaker 7: especially after you see those Simpson's kind of you know,
Speaker 7: and and then the Hillary Clinton kind of you know,
Speaker 7: breaking the glass zone and you're breaking the glass ceiling,
Speaker 7: and you see all these things that you never saw before,
Speaker 7: and you start to wonder, you know, it's it would
Speaker 7: certainly wouldn't surprise me. But in terms of what they're doing,
Speaker 7: I know, I think what they're really doing is they're
Speaker 7: trying to keep everybody's hope and faith in the in
Speaker 7: the in the the deception model, right, and because you
Speaker 7: got to keep people the only way to keep people
Speaker 7: away from Christ is to is really is really with
Speaker 7: this one because the ultimately if if the space model
Speaker 7: falls apart, well then then you're back to what you
Speaker 7: then you're back well.
Speaker 8: So so let's go back to Eric D. Bay for
Speaker 8: a minute.
Speaker 7: So one thing about him that actually did kind of
Speaker 7: throw me off of it is he's not a Christian
Speaker 7: like you know, at least he was not at the
Speaker 7: time of doing those original videos I was watching, and
Speaker 7: in fact, some of his ideas were quite new new
Speaker 7: age and a little bit out there compared to the Bible.
Speaker 7: So so what I and I and I had another
Speaker 7: unfortunate experience in the last six months. I was part
Speaker 7: of a very large flat Earth group, and the moderator
Speaker 7: he wasn't. He wasn't not only a very kind of
Speaker 7: a wicked person in terms of his dealings with people,
Speaker 7: but he was completely Antichrist. And I'm talking like the
Speaker 7: flip side, like you take your person that that trash
Speaker 7: talks the Lord and and amplify it by one hundred.
Speaker 8: This was the moderator of the Flat Earth group.
Speaker 7: So what it showed me was that even even you,
Speaker 7: you can even believe and I think this is even
Speaker 7: all ancient civilizations believed the Biblical cosmology to a certain
Speaker 7: degree anyway, right, So you can believe even the Biblical
Speaker 7: cosmology and still not have faith in God. So it's
Speaker 7: important to understand that there could even be a new
Speaker 7: age kind of deception associated with it. Because when I
Speaker 7: met this person who could remain so adamantly against Christ
Speaker 7: and his people yet moderate a flat Earth group, it
Speaker 7: was quite quite an eye opener.
Speaker 6: Actually, that's interesting that some people come from it just
Speaker 6: so they're lying to us. Ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 6: people I talk to when they come to flat Earth,
Speaker 6: they at least let's just take David Weiss for example.
Speaker 3: He may not.
Speaker 6: Fall under the realm of Christianity per se, but he
Speaker 6: now understands that there's a creator. So you think that
Speaker 6: they would late at least take that first step, because
Speaker 6: if there's no Big Bang, if there's no evolution, there's
Speaker 6: no heliocentrism, but there's no God, then what's the explanation.
Speaker 7: I think these people actually kind of fall into that
Speaker 7: matrix kind of a model where you are your subconscious
Speaker 7: and your subconsciousness a molecule, and I don't I don't
Speaker 7: know these guys go. So it's like it's as it's
Speaker 7: as nebulous as the ever expanding contracting universe. Taco, what
Speaker 7: is that called the multiverse? Ever heard that stuff? Oh
Speaker 7: my goodness. Yeah, But you know it goes because you see,
Speaker 7: the mind of man is so corrupt that it can
Speaker 7: just it'll just I mean, look a look at what
Speaker 7: a criminal will do to make money. Everybody knows if
Speaker 7: they put that same effort into a legitimate, righteous path
Speaker 7: and making an income, even just farming a field, they'd
Speaker 7: make probably make more money, and they'd sleep so well
Speaker 7: at night. Yet they go and ruin. The Bible says
Speaker 7: there's a man who can't sleep until he's made another man.
Speaker 8: Fall, right, So we know that the depths of the corruption.
Speaker 7: I mean, the Old Testament had to tell people not
Speaker 7: to sleep with animals, like like you know I'm talking
Speaker 7: about right, ye, bestiality. I mean, if this is the
Speaker 7: corruption of man is so it's so depraved and against
Speaker 7: God that he had to wipe out the world with
Speaker 7: a great flood. So none of this surprises me. But
Speaker 7: on the other hand, what you said is exactly correct.
Speaker 7: You've got this and most people will accept a creator,
Speaker 7: but you don't. But I mean Muslims I speak to,
Speaker 7: you know, really great people, Muslims and all sorts of
Speaker 7: different people seeks. I got all sorts of Buddhists, I mean,
Speaker 7: but none of them have come to the saving power
Speaker 7: of the blood of Jesus. Right, So it's you know,
Speaker 7: we we But this topic is absolutely an opening door.
Speaker 8: To the truth, absolutely so. And God left.
Speaker 7: I like that song you have the answers scream here
Speaker 7: from the ground that whatever that intro song is there
Speaker 7: God anyway. But that's true, Like we're down here below
Speaker 7: and the evidence is everywhere that the God of the
Speaker 7: Bible has left his fingerprints absolutely everywhere, and you have
Speaker 7: to quite literally close your eyes and say, there's no God,
Speaker 7: there's no God, there's no God. I don't see him.
Speaker 8: He's nowhere. I can't see him.
Speaker 7: That's what you have to do, literally like a child,
Speaker 7: and especially when you're looking at the stars and the
Speaker 7: glory of the heavens, right.
Speaker 8: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, it's interesting you mentioned, you know, when he
Speaker 6: went camping the light pollution.
Speaker 3: My daughter and her husband.
Speaker 6: You know, they lived in Dover, which is a not
Speaker 6: a big metroplex bunny stretch, but it's a city, you know,
Speaker 6: and then they moved out here just they got their
Speaker 6: first house. They moved out here three months ago or whatever,
Speaker 6: to the country, and the first thing she said to
Speaker 6: me was, my goodness, like I never have seen the
Speaker 6: stars like this.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 6: And it is really something when you come out to
Speaker 6: the to the country and there's no light pollution to
Speaker 6: be able to see the stars.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's there's a cool website.
Speaker 7: Have you seen that where it shows the light pollution
Speaker 7: map or something I have. Yeah, it was pretty neat.
Speaker 7: We should find that for the show notes. It's pretty neat.
Speaker 7: You and so, you know, because if you do want
Speaker 7: to go out and and really see the stars. And
Speaker 7: for example, let's just say you have the extra cash
Speaker 7: to buy one of those what is it nikon, Yeah,
Speaker 7: one thousands or whatever, Right, you could go to those
Speaker 7: places and film it yourself and see what a star
Speaker 7: looks like.
Speaker 8: Right, and yeah, so that's that's great.
Speaker 7: Well, you you look exceedingly young to have a daughter
Speaker 7: with a husband. That's fantastic. I aged fast, I got,
Speaker 7: I got. I got just destroyed in business, so I got,
Speaker 7: I went gray real fast.
Speaker 3: I'll be fifty six in less than two months.
Speaker 8: Wow, yeah, you look you look really good and young.
Speaker 3: It's maybe it was running around me.
Speaker 8: I'm not even fifty and look at me.
Speaker 6: Before we get into the silver bullets and things like that.
Speaker 6: I did want to ask because I saw it in
Speaker 6: your email you said audio cast versus podcast. Is there
Speaker 6: like a negative connotation about the pod part of it?
Speaker 7: Or is it just something I've I've done a lot
Speaker 7: of looking in to the big tech companies over the years.
Speaker 7: I got introduced to Ubuntu back in twenty ten. Ubuntu
Speaker 7: is a great operating system, best ever Linux operating system.
Speaker 7: I ditched Windows shortly after and started down a road
Speaker 7: of this is just before the flat Earth of really
Speaker 7: kind of realizing how much we're being spied on, right,
Speaker 7: and how much you are We've how much privacy we've
Speaker 7: sacrificed for no good reason, right, Facebook, Google.
Speaker 8: But Apple's not innocent either.
Speaker 7: Apple has a very closed proprietary style of business. You know,
Speaker 7: they made their devices difficult to impossible actually to open
Speaker 7: and fix and recycle the parts and fix and et cetera.
Speaker 7: And and and if you look at the history of
Speaker 7: Steve Jobs and who he was as a person and
Speaker 7: all of these things. I don't like to give them
Speaker 7: any extra marketing benefit.
Speaker 8: Then they've already got that's all.
Speaker 7: So the podcast came from the iPod right where there
Speaker 7: was originally the audio programs being broadcast through the iPod.
Speaker 7: You could easily grab one and take it with you.
Speaker 7: Great technology. I was bullish on the idea, but I
Speaker 7: didn't want to call it a podcast. So when I
Speaker 7: did my own audio program it was on Ubuntu, we
Speaker 7: called it an audio cast. So I just like to
Speaker 7: joke around and say, hey, it's not a podcast, it's
Speaker 7: an audio cast.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 6: And it's funny because pod Bean, they've been around for
Speaker 6: a long time as well.
Speaker 3: But that is interesting.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 7: So it's like I don't want them to have the
Speaker 7: Kleenex status on such an important thing of this broadcasting medium.
Speaker 7: This broadcasting medium is absolutely wonderful. When I was really young,
Speaker 7: I was telling I was working for a Christian newspaper
Speaker 7: and I'm saying, we got to we gotta start an
Speaker 7: audio program online and they're all like hah, And then
Speaker 7: like three years later, like the podcast was rolling. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's why I call it that. I was just joking around.
Speaker 6: That's awesome, And I know I'm not if I'm putting
Speaker 6: on the spot, just say, oh, put me at the spot.
Speaker 8: I love it.
Speaker 6: You're thinking about doing an audio cast of yourself. Is
Speaker 6: there a particular subject you wanted to keep it on
Speaker 6: or were there a yes?
Speaker 7: So that same friend, Adrian and I we've been we've
Speaker 7: been talking about this for ever since. He since he
Speaker 7: came out of the closet with his own Flat Earth
Speaker 7: so he was he was mute for two years after
Speaker 7: I showed it to him.
Speaker 8: He just would not he didn't want to.
Speaker 7: He was a Star Wars fan, ah, so he he
Speaker 7: was just he was really struggled with it, but he
Speaker 7: went to his Bible. He went to his Bible, and
Speaker 7: finally he said, you know, you're right, it's flat. So
Speaker 7: after that it actually really really had an interesting effect
Speaker 7: on our on our fellowship as well, because you know,
Speaker 7: we we both noted how this biblical cosmology has enriched
Speaker 7: our faith. Not the opposite. It's absolutely enriched our entire
Speaker 7: existence on the earth as well. We can look at
Speaker 7: the sun in a new way of the moon and anyway,
Speaker 7: that was a bit of a side path, but we're
Speaker 7: planning to do a program kind of like with a
Speaker 7: very laser. Folks, we love we love your style of
Speaker 7: I call it the fireside chat. Yeah, you know this,
Speaker 7: this style, I imagine I really enjoy it because you know,
Speaker 7: some days it's a bit hard. You know, I like
Speaker 7: to listen to my audio Bible, but sometimes you just
Speaker 7: like to hear some audio while you're doing something that
Speaker 7: that kind of builds you up and encourages you and
Speaker 7: in your faith and in your your understanding knowledge all
Speaker 7: of that. And so we were going to try to
Speaker 7: target it very very very precisely if we can, on
Speaker 7: the Bible, so the audience would be the Christian though
Speaker 7: those who would claim to one hundred percent believe the Bible,
Speaker 7: and so the idea would be, the idea would be,
Speaker 7: if you, for example, George, run into somebody who calls
Speaker 7: them like ken Ham, you would say, okay, ken why
Speaker 7: don't you listen to this audio cast and and see
Speaker 7: what you think? Right, and so you could flip it
Speaker 7: over to him and he would be forced to walk
Speaker 7: through the Bible effectively.
Speaker 8: On the topic. And so that's kind of the idea.
Speaker 7: So it'd be more almost more like a curriculum, if
Speaker 7: you will, but trying to keep it light and friendly.
Speaker 8: That's our plan. Anyway. Feel free to throw feedback at us.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: Definitely when you get the first one on board, send
Speaker 6: me the link and I can put it in the
Speaker 6: show notes. So you know, these podcasts are forever, so
Speaker 6: people can find you.
Speaker 8: That's right. Awesome, thank you can.
Speaker 6: Find you and what you know, Kudos to you for
Speaker 6: being an entrepreneur, because you your success and failure is
Speaker 6: largely based on the effort you put in. Sometimes there
Speaker 6: are things that outside your rooms that control things, especially
Speaker 6: in today's marketplace where they are intentionally going after smaller businesses.
Speaker 6: We saw that in twenty twenty. Here in the United States,
Speaker 6: by September of two, twenty twenty, sorry, one hundred thousand
Speaker 6: businesses that had temporarily closed. We're completely out of business
Speaker 6: within six months of COVID kicking off. So it is
Speaker 6: certainly one of their agendas for a one world government,
Speaker 6: one world religion, and to keep the employers as few
Speaker 6: as possible, because that is the most effective way to
Speaker 6: carry out their agenda. If there's only a handful of employers,
Speaker 6: if you want to work for us, you're going to
Speaker 6: have to debt debt, right.
Speaker 8: That's interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I haven't delved too much into that, but
Speaker 7: that makes a lot of sense. Actually, yeah, no, my, my,
Speaker 7: my time in business with that mean you know, listen,
Speaker 7: I I bought a coffee franchise when I came back
Speaker 7: from Korea after I got married, and it was an
Speaker 7: absolute disaster.
Speaker 8: It turned out to be very very corrupt.
Speaker 7: The franchise or had you know, they would basically milk
Speaker 7: the franchisees. They had a perfect little system in place
Speaker 7: where they just churned the franchisees once they're once they're sunk,
Speaker 7: they got a new one to replace them, and then
Speaker 7: that's it. Killing families, all one after another, just like
Speaker 7: ducks on a fence.
Speaker 8: So I went after I.
Speaker 7: Tried, I tried the path of legal I'll leave not
Speaker 7: permitted to actually talk about that, but anyway, it's uh,
Speaker 7: let's just say that I would do that path again.
Speaker 8: It wasn't.
Speaker 7: It was a sucking of the energy, but through the suffering,
Speaker 7: you know, through the suffering that God allows, and yes,
Speaker 7: I do believe one percent, Yes God allows suffering. It's biblical,
Speaker 7: it's it's it's all over the Bible. Jesus himself suffered dearly,
Speaker 7: right so you know. And and my suffering has has
Speaker 7: allowed me to sit with you right now and speak
Speaker 7: with full confidence in my faith and in Him. So
Speaker 7: you know, had I not been ground to powder, had
Speaker 7: I not been on the edge of poverty for pretty
Speaker 7: much twenty years, I would not be able to say
Speaker 7: that Jesus is Lord with the confidence that I have today.
Speaker 8: So I am not forsaking that.
Speaker 7: But yes, but business, business, the path of business I
Speaker 7: would not recommend for every single individual.
Speaker 8: It needs to be a leading and it needs to
Speaker 8: be your path. It's a difficult path, you know.
Speaker 6: You would think as a franchise or that you would
Speaker 6: want to set your franchise es up for success to
Speaker 6: get a continued paycheck over the years. If you're looking
Speaker 6: short term like that, you would think eventually that the
Speaker 6: word would get out and people wouldn't want to pay
Speaker 6: that x amount of you know, upfront you have to
Speaker 6: pay your franchise fee and then you're buying the supplies
Speaker 6: through them. That that is an interesting business plan.
Speaker 8: One hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: The only thing is somehow they they did manage to
Speaker 7: keep it low profile enough so that really the word like, see,
Speaker 7: once you're dead and you're down, it's pretty hard to
Speaker 7: rise up and say go and try and get media attention.
Speaker 8: You're just dead.
Speaker 7: You're just dead, right, So there's a bunch of just
Speaker 7: hurt people around. But it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 7: world that's like that, and you have to be But
Speaker 7: you know what it it showed me one important thing, right.
Speaker 7: It showed me that my idea of opening my own
Speaker 7: coffee shop was actually a good idea. I just didn't
Speaker 7: have I didn't believe that I could do it on
Speaker 7: my own. So I went the path of the easy,
Speaker 7: the quote easy path, and look what it got me.
Speaker 7: So so so don't be afraid. My word to the
Speaker 7: listeners would be, you know, if it's in your heart
Speaker 7: to do it. You know, yes, you might have path
Speaker 7: of suffering like mine. But on the other hand, it
Speaker 7: might be a fantastic path. And even if it is suffering,
Speaker 7: whoop be doing. You're gonna have suffering anyway. You're gonna
Speaker 7: suffer through something somewhere somehow, So you're suffering at your job.
Speaker 7: I mean probably right exactly, you know, just pick your
Speaker 7: suffering right, but make sure that it's it's you know,
Speaker 7: it's the it's the right path for you.
Speaker 8: You don't, you don't.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't want other people's family to go through what
Speaker 7: mine did. But then again, I also trust that my
Speaker 7: children have through the suffering as well, also gained in
Speaker 7: character and uh and possibly learned learned what's best path
Speaker 7: for them too.
Speaker 3: Write amen.
Speaker 6: And through my failures, uh, that has brought me wisdom.
Speaker 6: So and I wouldn't change my paths for anything. Hey man,
Speaker 6: it is what it is. You can't change the path
Speaker 6: of the past, but here we are trying to change
Speaker 6: the future.
Speaker 3: And would not.
Speaker 8: Change the past.
Speaker 7: Said what one thing I do, I forget the things
Speaker 7: behind I stretch forward to the things in front for
Speaker 7: the high calling of Christ. Right, Yeah, you're absolutely That
Speaker 7: scripture right there has kept me going. I quite literally
Speaker 7: every single morning. I made a song. By the way,
Speaker 7: with that, I wrote a hymn with that exact scripture.
Speaker 7: That's the entire that's the entire hymn, that one verse. Really, Yep,
Speaker 7: it's a and kids can sing it too in rounds.
Speaker 7: It just came to me one day when I was
Speaker 7: in my suffering. Actually, i'll share it with you later maybe.
Speaker 3: If you do, you have it on SoundCloud or something.
Speaker 7: I don't. I just did a quick sketch recording on
Speaker 7: my phone. Oh but I could share that with Yeah,
Speaker 7: that would be cool. That'd be cool.
Speaker 6: Worries, let's talk about your six silver bullets, if you
Speaker 6: will one during your course. Obviously the Bible is going
Speaker 6: to be one of them, but you can include the
Speaker 6: physical things. But what pieces of evidence would you say
Speaker 6: that overwhelmingly led you to believe that the globe was
Speaker 6: a lie?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I forgot about the six silver bullets, but
Speaker 7: don't worry. They're probably in turn I have. The first
Speaker 7: one for me is the fact that the stars do
Speaker 7: not we we it is a It is a mathematical
Speaker 7: impossibility that this time next year we would look up
Speaker 7: to the sky and see exactly the same stars in
Speaker 7: the same place imposs a ball.
Speaker 8: So it to me it ends right there. It's over right.
Speaker 7: But of course there are others that are that have
Speaker 7: really got me further excited. And one of them, of
Speaker 7: course is I think the flatness of the of water.
Speaker 7: So water doesn't change its nature anywhere. It does what
Speaker 7: it does, it does the same thing everywhere it goes.
Speaker 7: So why on earth would it bend somewhere else that
Speaker 7: we don't see it bending in a in a lab
Speaker 7: or Oh, you know, it's just it's it's just just
Speaker 7: the whole water bending over a ball is so insane
Speaker 7: that I can't make it work.
Speaker 8: The The the other.
Speaker 7: One is you know, like I told you in the sandbox,
Speaker 7: like as you said, sky uh, skydiving in Australia, that's
Speaker 7: a that's a you know, and and and so the
Speaker 7: third one is the airplane. The airplanes do not take
Speaker 7: any form of a nose dive as they travel. They
Speaker 7: don't dip their nose every x period of time as
Speaker 7: they travel over the Earth. So if that's the case,
Speaker 7: and all pilots testify to that. Then you have to say,
Speaker 7: why is the plane not shooting off into space?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 8: So that's that's another one.
Speaker 7: I would say that the although it's not okay, let's
Speaker 7: just I mean just sticking sticking to ah proofs, like
Speaker 7: actual kind of more scientific uh uh proofs. The the
Speaker 7: other one is the whole gravity thing.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: So, so once I learned that gravity was a theory,
Speaker 7: that really helped me to kind of look at the
Speaker 7: world a different way. And I realized that, yeah, stuff
Speaker 7: falls because it's dense, right, not because of this thing
Speaker 7: called gravity. And so is that a silver bullet?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 7: They they take they take their their theories and backwards
Speaker 7: engineer them to make their story true, right, But you
Speaker 7: don't need to do that. So that that for me,
Speaker 7: that to me was a silver bullet. I was like,
Speaker 7: why are they making up this theory?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 7: By the way, quick digression again. I've I remember reading
Speaker 7: and I've never been able to find it since. And
Speaker 7: it's troubled me because I saw this really great blog
Speaker 7: on apparently Einstein in his theory of relativity had a
Speaker 7: lie baked in and I could never find it again.
Speaker 7: It was one of his contemporaries had done a research
Speaker 7: when he submitted his quote whatever that whole thesis was
Speaker 7: to the the science people, and then it got accepted
Speaker 7: to that magazine whenever it was there was a contemporary
Speaker 7: and I want to say his last name was Dinkle.
Speaker 7: It was something kind of funny like you can't forget it,
Speaker 7: like Dnkle or von Dinkle or something. Anyway, he he
Speaker 7: he went through that quote, that that thing, and he said,
Speaker 7: this cannot be true because he has a flaw in
Speaker 7: his formula. So the whole thing falls apart because of
Speaker 7: this one little lie that he had kind of baked
Speaker 7: into his paper. Anyway, I wanted to share that because
Speaker 7: that to me was kind of a silver bullet actually,
Speaker 7: because if if his, if if Einstein's stuff is fraudulent,
Speaker 7: which effectively he was claiming at that time when it
Speaker 7: was released, then then why why has it been promoted?
Speaker 8: It's a silver bullet, right, So did I have any
Speaker 8: other ones? I don't know. If I have six, I
Speaker 8: really don't.
Speaker 6: I guess that's a good pause point because I did
Speaker 6: want to interject that. Nineteen sixty four, John Bell, who
Speaker 6: was a physicist from Northern Ireland. He did devise this
Speaker 6: theoretical test showing that there were indeed hidden variables that
Speaker 6: Einstein had.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 6: There was a guy Dinkle or something like that. I
Speaker 6: had seen it before and I am trying to find
Speaker 6: it too. That basically proves that his theory of relativity
Speaker 6: was not based in one hundred percent fact. And there's
Speaker 6: a pretty cool website that kind of is jovial about
Speaker 6: things like gravity and they're big pushes. Textbook disclaimers need
Speaker 6: to have this warning label on science books. This textbook
Speaker 6: contains material on gravity. Universal gravity is a theory, not
Speaker 6: a fact regarding the natural law of attraction. This material
Speaker 6: should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and
Speaker 6: critically considered.
Speaker 8: That that absolutely should be on touchbow.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's awesome.
Speaker 7: I wish I had those on mind, but yeah no,
Speaker 7: so yeah, so, I mean, the silver those are those
Speaker 7: are kind of my I don't really have a lot
Speaker 7: more to add, I don't I didn't really need any
Speaker 7: silver bullets beyond the fact that the stars. Oh you know,
Speaker 7: I'll add one more. The time laps on the Sun
Speaker 7: time lapse video of the Sun disappearing, and just what
Speaker 7: your own eyes show you is a silver bullet. You
Speaker 7: can't tell me that sun a crepuscular rays. Actually, there's
Speaker 7: another shout out to a brother named Josh. He's in Washington.
Speaker 7: We connected on telegram. He sent me a photo. Recently
Speaker 7: we sent each other some photos of crepuscular rays or
Speaker 7: I don't know if I'm saying it right.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 7: Those those seven degree angle, come on, how could the
Speaker 7: sun be ninety three million miles away and have an
Speaker 7: angle every single time showing that it points.
Speaker 8: To us which is just above those rays exactly?
Speaker 6: That proves it's a local sun. And I'm glad you
Speaker 6: said that because I've I was actually going to make
Speaker 6: a video. I haven't really made videos in a long time,
Speaker 6: like actually a little video where it teaches things.
Speaker 3: But the number ninety three is very interesting.
Speaker 6: If you look at PSAL ninety three, ninety three million
Speaker 6: miles Adam lived to be nine hundred and thirty right,
Speaker 6: there's your ninety three United ninety three if you look
Speaker 6: at the movie poster. I'll leave it at that. But
Speaker 6: the big thing is with ninety three. Alistair Crawley and
Speaker 6: the Thelamites they greeted each other with ninety three ninety
Speaker 6: three which is the as above so below.
Speaker 8: So bizarre.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that number ninety.
Speaker 6: Whether it's you know, the axis of the earth right
Speaker 6: twenty three point four subtracted from a right angle, how
Speaker 6: fast the universe is gone?
Speaker 3: All the numerology.
Speaker 6: Involved with with heliocentrism, that's a big piece of evidence
Speaker 6: to me. That's too many things for it to be
Speaker 6: a coincidence.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the numer I haven't got too much into the numerology,
Speaker 7: but I've heard a lot of people online, including on
Speaker 7: this show, going into a bit of it. It's certainly
Speaker 7: and you know, the whole Masonic thing is impossible to deny, right,
Speaker 7: I mean you can I mean, Hollywood and the movies.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just it's it's just you can see
Speaker 7: the agenda, you can see the programming. I mean even
Speaker 7: even in my own daughters, but they were home by
Speaker 7: the way, our daughters were homeschooled most of their lives.
Speaker 7: So just the last few years they went back into
Speaker 7: public school. It was, uh, you know, we're kind of
Speaker 7: a weird decision, but we did it, and uh, and
Speaker 7: you can see the difference.
Speaker 8: You can see it right away.
Speaker 7: There's immediately after a couple of years there's a different
Speaker 7: kind of a view towards authority, slightly less respect, you know,
Speaker 7: and you know where's that coming from. I'll tell you
Speaker 7: it ain't coming from us, right right, So you know
Speaker 7: we yet, you know, thank thank thank god, we did
Speaker 7: do the homeschooling because I don't know where it'd be
Speaker 7: without that.
Speaker 6: Right absolutely, But we were fellowship fellowshipping with local folks
Speaker 6: here and there's about fifty young adults there and forty
Speaker 6: nine of them were homeschooled, and they led the service.
Speaker 6: And if you looked at them and interacted with them
Speaker 6: versus any other you know, young adult fifteen, sixteen, seventeen
Speaker 6: years old, such a vast difference, like you mentioned, how
Speaker 6: they act towards adults totally, how they carry themselves.
Speaker 3: It's just amazing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And praise God for the young people who have
Speaker 7: been you know, sanctified and set aside, you know, from
Speaker 7: this this world system. Yet you know, it's never too late,
Speaker 7: It's never too late. You know, I got saved at
Speaker 7: seventeen eighteen nineteen in that range. And you know, by
Speaker 7: God's grace, he loves all of us, right, there's no
Speaker 7: and he transforms, he transforms, He transformed me quickly, right,
Speaker 7: So you know, just because you're fifty sixty seventy eighty.
Speaker 7: Even my mom, she's just now I'm just now starting
Speaker 7: to teach her, really because she lives with us. After
Speaker 7: at the end there we built a house together with
Speaker 7: my parents, and you know, I started to even my dad,
Speaker 7: he just kind of received the Lord just slightly before
Speaker 7: he passed away. And you know, it's it's a it's
Speaker 7: a it doesn't matter when, right, but you know, he
Speaker 7: can transform us, he can change who we are. That's
Speaker 7: what I saw my friend happened to my friend Adrian.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: Amen, I'm sorry about the loss of your father, but
Speaker 6: I'm thrilled to hear that he was saved by the
Speaker 6: blood of Christ before he passed. And Amen, that is
Speaker 6: just hope what it's all about. And to the listeners,
Speaker 6: the important thing to remember is we're not guaranteed tomorrow,
Speaker 6: so it is important. It is important to have these conversations.
Speaker 6: Like you were saying at the beginning of the audio cast,
Speaker 6: was we're quick to have a conversation about the football
Speaker 6: game or or the Metgella, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 6: But it really takes a lot of courage and the
Speaker 6: Bible tells us, you know, those who Christians will be persecuted, right,
Speaker 6: So it does take a bit of active bravery and
Speaker 6: to be that person. Right, that's the Holy roller over there.
Speaker 6: And it's it's no different with flat earth or biblical cosmology.
Speaker 8: Amen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's worthy. It's worthy, though, it is worth.
Speaker 6: I do want to ask you a question, and because
Speaker 6: this happened to me recently, I'd like your thoughts on
Speaker 6: it before we delve back into flat earth. But if
Speaker 6: you were a church leader and you knew someone in
Speaker 6: your congregation was in a secret society, what were your
Speaker 6: thoughts be on that? And would you approach them and
Speaker 6: address them?
Speaker 8: Oh man, what an interesting question. Oh man. Well, let's
Speaker 8: put it this way.
Speaker 7: If it's confirmed, I mean quite obviously, that cannot be.
Speaker 8: You cannot have this in the in the body of.
Speaker 7: Christ because it you know, no, because secrets, I mean,
Speaker 7: the Bible is pretty clear about an oath, right, So
Speaker 7: if you if you're in a secret society, from my understanding,
Speaker 7: you've made some kind of an oath, right, and that
Speaker 7: oath is not to the Lord, right, and you're not
Speaker 7: supposed to do that, and therefore your your your kind
Speaker 7: of presence in the church group until you've repented and
Speaker 7: completely disconnected from that group.
Speaker 8: I can't see how that can work.
Speaker 6: And the reason I bring it up is, you know
Speaker 6: this church I visit on Sundays, I've done the pastor
Speaker 6: for forty five years. It's just by coincidence that I
Speaker 6: found out he preaches here locally, okay, And it's not
Speaker 6: a church I intend on becoming a member of, but
Speaker 6: I go there on Sunday mornings. So we get my
Speaker 6: wife and I pull into the parking lot and we
Speaker 6: noticed that the car we pull next to has a
Speaker 6: Freemason magna on it. And hand to God, this is
Speaker 6: what happen. And we go into the church. We sit down,
Speaker 6: and at the end of the service, we turn around.
Speaker 6: The guy says, hey, he introduces himself, and I looked
Speaker 6: at his lapel and sure enough he's the one. He
Speaker 6: has the Freemason on his suit jacket right way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And it was the way he talked. It was a
Speaker 6: little unusual for being in church. Nothing too much over
Speaker 6: the edge. But I thought to myself, you know, is
Speaker 6: the pastor aware that.
Speaker 3: You know that the.
Speaker 6: What's that the term I'm looking for when two things
Speaker 6: just clash against each other. I mean, he should be
Speaker 6: counseling this guy to say, you know, you you either yeah,
Speaker 6: And one could argue that, hey, he's only a third
Speaker 6: degree Mason, he's only a six or.
Speaker 3: He doesn't really know.
Speaker 6: But these are the things that people would say.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, but there has to be an active there
Speaker 7: has to be an active process in place right away.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree personally, but that's I think that's some
Speaker 6: of the excuses that people would say. But the you
Speaker 6: can Freemasons they take not just one oath, but they
Speaker 6: take a.
Speaker 3: Series of oaths.
Speaker 6: And that's why if you look at George Washington's little
Speaker 6: bust that commemorates him, it says Freemason and first President,
Speaker 6: it doesn't say first president and oh, by the way, freemason.
Speaker 3: He was more proud of being a Freemason than was
Speaker 3: being president.
Speaker 8: I didn't know that. Yeah, wow, thirty thirty.
Speaker 7: I mean, but you know, let's to talk about, you know, briefly,
Speaker 7: the church. Yeah, the church is there is one body
Speaker 7: on the earth. It says the body of Christ, right, so,
Speaker 7: you know, but we've seen the degradation of you know,
Speaker 7: Christianity as well, and the cults will will come in
Speaker 7: and and and use that as their weak point, you know,
Speaker 7: And so I'm not surprised to see all of this
Speaker 7: leeching in to the Sunday meetings.
Speaker 8: And a lot of it is to do it.
Speaker 7: You know, it's sad to say it's just just money, right,
Speaker 7: and so you know, not to go too far into it.
Speaker 7: I was part of kind of a denominational background. But
Speaker 7: then recently, I said, about four or five years ago,
Speaker 7: we uh, we kind of found a new group that
Speaker 7: meets in in kind of is.
Speaker 8: So it was kind of quite strange.
Speaker 7: I had always envisioned how like, again, I'm reading my Bible,
Speaker 7: and I'm seeing how does how would the church meet
Speaker 7: if it was just simply reading the Bible? And I
Speaker 7: saw elders, I didn't see pastors. I saw singing hymns.
Speaker 7: I saw you know, greeting each other, and and I
Speaker 7: and and I didn't and then prophesyging right, share prophesying,
Speaker 7: which is like you know, regurgitating the word of God
Speaker 7: and sharing right. And so by by kind of God's grace,
Speaker 7: I did meet a group that meets exactly like that.
Speaker 7: And I was quite encouraged, and because at that point
Speaker 7: I had left the denominational church and gone into a
Speaker 7: whole we just started meeting in my living room with
Speaker 7: another couple. And but that that also wasn't quite enough.
Speaker 7: You really got to cherish the whole body too. Right,
Speaker 7: So if there is a way to meet with more
Speaker 7: than great, right, but not not to compromise, not to
Speaker 7: have you know, not so you can blend in and
Speaker 7: be a you know, just a freemason in the midst
Speaker 7: of sheep.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: No, that's not okay, Right, that's not how the that's
Speaker 7: not how it works. And have one guy preach to
Speaker 7: you some three point sermon and then go home and
Speaker 7: live a different.
Speaker 8: Way for the rest of the week.
Speaker 7: That's not okay, that's not the way that Jesus didn't
Speaker 7: die for that boy.
Speaker 6: I could get into an hour long talk about what
Speaker 6: you just said, because I'm not going to get into
Speaker 6: it right now. One thing I will say is, and
Speaker 6: you hit it on the hind, but you know, my
Speaker 6: goal is to plant a non denominational and I'm just
Speaker 6: using this word for lack of better terms, right, but really,
Speaker 6: what non denominational is and somebody posted this it is
Speaker 6: Christianity at its baseline. What a church would be if
Speaker 6: there were no other influences and only the Word of God.
Speaker 8: Bingo.
Speaker 6: All other denominations are chosen because there's something in the
Speaker 6: Bible they don't like and they have to clarify their
Speaker 6: stance on it.
Speaker 8: Bingo.
Speaker 7: That's d nom, right, is if I recall correctly, I
Speaker 7: look that word up. I like etymology, ye so I
Speaker 7: edemyonline dot com I think is the website.
Speaker 8: I often will look up a word there and go,
Speaker 8: where did this word even come from? Denomination?
Speaker 7: I know it's basically it means division, I believe, like
Speaker 7: numbering apart something like that.
Speaker 8: So it's not a good thing.
Speaker 7: And and the the cults will show up at your
Speaker 7: door and they'll say, look at all these denominations, and
Speaker 7: they're right, they're dang right, they're exactly, they're dead right.
Speaker 8: And then they can pull in.
Speaker 7: The the the disenfranchised Christian into their group.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: So but yeah, amen, and that's kind of But you know,
Speaker 7: maybe there is a group where you can plug into,
Speaker 7: like ours, or you can yeah, as you say, maybe
Speaker 7: in your in your in your city. I believe I
Speaker 7: believe also biblically, that that there is one church in
Speaker 7: one city, our group adapted that, and I really like that.
Speaker 7: It's you know, if you look at over time that
Speaker 7: the countries will disappear, nations will change borders, but the
Speaker 7: cities remain. And so that's and you see the lamp
Speaker 7: stands in the Book of Revelation, those seven cities seven
Speaker 7: I think Philadelphia, blah blah blah, Right, those lamp stands
Speaker 7: were cities, and so I believe in that approach. So
Speaker 7: and then then you don't have to get into all
Speaker 7: the national politics and it's just you know, your locality,
Speaker 7: but part of the larger body of Christ, which is wonderful. Right,
Speaker 7: that's a and that's a gorgeous thing if you think
Speaker 7: about it, like the Kingdom of that's the that's a
Speaker 7: kingdom on the earth. Right, it's kind of exciting when
Speaker 7: you meet other believers in other cities of the world
Speaker 7: and they believe the same thing you do, and they're
Speaker 7: excited about the same God that you're excited about. It's
Speaker 7: it's wonderful. So yeah, keep on that. That's wonderful. Georgia.
Speaker 6: I mean, amen, thank you, and uh yeah, everything you
Speaker 6: said resonated, and I think it's important. When you were talking,
Speaker 6: that's what I was thinking of Philadelphia, Smyrna and all
Speaker 6: the all these other cities. The letters were addressed to that,
Speaker 6: John the Elder wrote, and that that's a great segue,
Speaker 6: is because you had mentioned it in the beginning when
Speaker 6: you started to notice, you know, was it a you know,
Speaker 6: Matthew twenty four in the Destruction of the Temple and
Speaker 6: the End Times, et cetera. Where do you think we
Speaker 6: are personally? Do you think they are lying about the timeline?
Speaker 6: Do you think we are in? You know, the little
Speaker 6: season is the hot topic of the day and age.
Speaker 6: Is that something that you've thought about.
Speaker 7: I'm this is one of those topics that does have
Speaker 7: me quite bothered. Actually, I'm I had the unfortunate discovery
Speaker 7: last year of a friend of mine. Now I know
Speaker 7: that a lot of people listening. So here's the other
Speaker 7: interesting thing about the flat earth community, if you want
Speaker 7: to call it that, there's a heavy I noticed a
Speaker 7: heavy group of people who believe in basically we call
Speaker 7: it preadorist view that Jesus has already come and that
Speaker 7: he is and now we're in that. Like to me,
Speaker 7: it's just wow, Like I'm really surprised how many people
Speaker 7: believe that. And if you take and I know they're
Speaker 7: taking the Bible literally, but that's a different kind of
Speaker 7: literal to me.
Speaker 8: So but you know, so I noticed that there's.
Speaker 7: A kind of an overlap between the preadorist belief and
Speaker 7: these timelines as well, and so like, I'm not afraid
Speaker 7: at all to look at the timeline. I like, if
Speaker 7: they can lie about the moon landing, which they did,
Speaker 7: you know, then every time I every time I say
Speaker 7: moon landing, I in my mind, I see a picture
Speaker 7: of that tinfoil model folding.
Speaker 8: Up on my desk.
Speaker 7: But anyway, I if they can lie about that, anything
Speaker 7: is possible to be lied about. We know the prince
Speaker 7: of this world as Satan. We know that he has
Speaker 7: a certain amount of control up to and up to
Speaker 7: and limited to what God has allowed for the time
Speaker 7: that he's allowed. And he's the prince of lies. He's
Speaker 7: the he's he's the fallen Angel. He's the one who
Speaker 7: hates us and wants us all dead and Jesus name blasphemed.
Speaker 7: So you know, could could something like our timeline be
Speaker 7: lied about?
Speaker 8: Absolutely? And it is? It is? It is.
Speaker 7: Listen, I know some of that. I've been listening to
Speaker 7: some of the conversations on this topic. H you know,
Speaker 7: the some of the architecture is certainly impossible. It doesn't
Speaker 7: it doesn't make sense, and there is it is interesting
Speaker 7: that there's this kind of beautiful Roman kind of architecture
Speaker 7: all over the world. It is, it is interesting, listen,
Speaker 7: don't get me wrong, I just don't. I haven't had
Speaker 7: enough time to get into it. And I'm also a
Speaker 7: little bit leery that it leads towards that predicist view
Speaker 7: of the word.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's something that for me, I haven't delved
Speaker 6: too deep in it because again, with all the lies,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm not sure we're going to factually know.
Speaker 6: But all I know is if you're ready, it doesn't
Speaker 6: matter what season we're in right now.
Speaker 8: That's right, right true.
Speaker 6: That That's kind of the stance I have making on it.
Speaker 6: And I think, listen, there's something too knowing and having
Speaker 6: that knowledge. But I think that's one of the things that,
Speaker 6: like you said, if they can lie about everything else,
Speaker 6: and that also comes to flat Earth, like if they've
Speaker 6: lied about everything like everything, but still the one thing
Speaker 6: you believe is insert Hilou centrism, right that, that to
Speaker 6: me is something that is hard for me to adapt
Speaker 6: going forward is or I should say, have you outside
Speaker 6: of your your your dear friend who you're going to
Speaker 6: be having this audio cast with, have you had the
Speaker 6: opportunity with, whether it be family members, et cetera, to
Speaker 6: share this with and kind of what their reception has been.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, my direct family, my wife and my kids are
Speaker 7: actually fully believe the earth is as per the Bible.
Speaker 7: But you know, you see them doing their ball or
Speaker 7: stuff in their schools and and they have to kind
Speaker 7: of toe the line and submit the reports of what.
Speaker 7: My youngest did this stupid heliocentric drawing a couple of
Speaker 7: weeks ago, and I said, what is that crap?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 7: And then she's like, oh, yeah, well my teacher told
Speaker 7: me I had to do it. I said, all right,
Speaker 7: all right, submit it, get an a, but don't whatever
Speaker 7: you do, don't believe that trash.
Speaker 8: She's like, I don't. So you know. So there, My
Speaker 8: kids are great.
Speaker 7: They I'm I'm ninety nine percent sure that they're solid
Speaker 7: in the in the biblical cosmology.
Speaker 8: My wife, I believe, she's pretty.
Speaker 7: She doesn't talk about she's very quiet anyway, but she's
Speaker 7: she's more of the it doesn't matter kind of camp like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's flat, it's round. You know, it doesn't affect your salvation.
Speaker 7: I disagree, but I'm not going to create a marital
Speaker 7: challenge over it. I think that for me, it was
Speaker 7: so exciting that I can't contain my excitement. Right, if
Speaker 7: she's not excited about it, I can't make the horse
Speaker 7: drink right, So say, with even my kids, right with
Speaker 7: my mom, and she's slowly opening up to it. My
Speaker 7: dad was pretty close to it before he passed, which
Speaker 7: is fine, and you know, again whatever, but but all
Speaker 7: my friends, I mean, I I don't hide it for
Speaker 7: you know, for example, and and and it's good. I
Speaker 7: had this in our in our warehouse here, we had
Speaker 7: our pest control guy coming, young guy about twenty two.
Speaker 7: He asked me something and I said, well, sorry, man,
Speaker 7: the Earth is flat, it's not round. And so I
Speaker 7: can't believe that he's like what, but but listen, it
Speaker 7: created a great little friendship, and he's he now seems
Speaker 7: to be actually super open and willing to almost accept it.
Speaker 7: And it wasn't like I was. But he's also also
Speaker 7: as a result, is starting to open up to Christ himself.
Speaker 7: He told me a whole bunch of stuff. He was,
Speaker 7: his whole family was in a cult. I never would
Speaker 7: have found that out if I didn't just boldly say, listen,
Speaker 7: there ain't no way the earth's the ball flying through space.
Speaker 7: That's literally what I said, ain't no way not going
Speaker 7: to happen, never did.
Speaker 8: Never will. And he was just like, what are you
Speaker 8: you believe that? I'm like, yeah, I do. How can
Speaker 8: I not?
Speaker 7: My eyes don't lie to me, right, So with that boldness,
Speaker 7: it opened up a new relationship and it was that
Speaker 7: was good.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: And in pre twenty twenty, I think having that, even
Speaker 6: just putting that out as a joke or people even
Speaker 6: receiving that might have been more difficult.
Speaker 8: But nowadays I agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you believe?
Speaker 6: And I'll did COVID have any impact on your awakening
Speaker 6: at all? And do you think they ever played their hand?
Speaker 6: And that's the reason why so many people are willing
Speaker 6: to look into these things now.
Speaker 7: It's funny. COVID was a was a weird one for me.
Speaker 7: I have a little bit of shame there. I actually
Speaker 7: got vaccinated twice, so that's how dumb I am, so
Speaker 7: you know, but listen, we're all we all can be wrong.
Speaker 7: So for me, it wasn't had nothing to do with
Speaker 7: the flat earth. I just I had a very simple
Speaker 7: mindset towards vaccination. It seemed to make sense. Okay, build
Speaker 7: you up your immunity, fight the thing in your body.
Speaker 8: That's all I have.
Speaker 7: Germ theory is the only thing I ever knew. So
Speaker 7: I got vaccinated, my wife got vaxed. But thanks be
Speaker 7: to God, on the second one, I had kind of
Speaker 7: a weird physical reaction didn't go so well. I had
Speaker 7: a bit of a They said, oh, are you feeling faint.
Speaker 7: I'm like, I believe I am, and they're like, okay,
Speaker 7: go over here. And then after that I had this
Speaker 7: It was almost like God spoke to me saying that's it,
Speaker 7: You're done. Don't touch this stuff. That's you know. And
Speaker 7: but I hadn't really looked into it. So then I
Speaker 7: started looking into it because of that feeling I had,
Speaker 7: and I realized, okay, there's other people here in the
Speaker 7: truth community saying don't do this.
Speaker 8: So I just kaibashed my family.
Speaker 7: I said stop, no more, done, don't do it.
Speaker 8: It's over.
Speaker 7: So I think I think there was some grace there,
Speaker 7: and now I'm looking at by the way. I think
Speaker 7: I heard you talking about chlorine dioxide, didn't you, sir.
Speaker 7: So I've been I have been working my buttocks off
Speaker 7: trying to get some of that in my hand thanks
Speaker 7: to this other Josh brother. I was saying, I do,
Speaker 7: I do really want to get into this, and I
Speaker 7: but you know what's funny. You cannot in Canada.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 7: It seems like the US is better. I can't buy
Speaker 7: the the the sodium chlorate. It's like impossible to buy.
Speaker 7: You have to be a you have to buy it
Speaker 7: in like one thousand kilograms kind of thing for municipalities.
Speaker 7: You can't just get like two hundred and fifty grams
Speaker 7: of the flakes.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I was literally going to drive across the
Speaker 7: border to this gents kindly offered I could maybe delivered
Speaker 7: to him. So but I did now find that, oddly enough,
Speaker 7: the company I don't like supporting Amazon, I can ship apparently,
Speaker 7: so I'm gonna I might just overpay and have it
Speaker 7: shipped by Amazon. But anyway, point being, I'm going to
Speaker 7: try to get some of that stuff and maybe detox
Speaker 7: whatever might be in my body, because it seems like
Speaker 7: that stuff's pretty amazing.
Speaker 8: From what I can hear, it.
Speaker 3: Is it's.
Speaker 6: We've done the MMS n CDs where you know, you
Speaker 6: capture the gases into the water and it comes out
Speaker 6: as this yellow greenish fluid.
Speaker 3: It has changed. You could feel it. It's very you know,
Speaker 3: you can use it as.
Speaker 6: A you know, prophylactic, or you can use it as
Speaker 6: something it needs to be treated. If you go to
Speaker 6: dioxa tube, nothing but videos about it. That's where I
Speaker 6: interviewed doctor calceron Amazing guy. And then the real cool
Speaker 6: one is called Dioxypedia and it's a Wikipedia for it's
Speaker 6: nothing but people who have you know, this is how
Speaker 6: it's changed their life. And you can look look at
Speaker 6: all these hundreds of thousands of testimonies.
Speaker 8: You can you show note that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh absolutely, And I'll eaven link the video of
Speaker 6: the interview I did with doctor Calcer back in March.
Speaker 6: And even on top of that, sodium bicarbonate is something
Speaker 6: that I've implemented and it's it's changed my gut health.
Speaker 3: And magnesium and.
Speaker 7: Just agneesium I heard about recently with my mom and
Speaker 7: I were looking at that, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and just you know, one or two capsules a
Speaker 6: day on a full stomach and all of these things together,
Speaker 6: and of course you know, a better diet.
Speaker 8: And better diet for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and staying away from anything that says bio engineered
Speaker 6: obviously is a big one as well, right right. But
Speaker 6: you know in this day and age, you know, we
Speaker 6: that the medical community is awesome. In combat, I've seen
Speaker 6: soldiers that, like, you know, there's no way they're going
Speaker 6: to make it, and today you can't even tell anything
Speaker 6: happened to them. But at the same time, going in
Speaker 6: a hospital, you don't want to get in there for
Speaker 6: medical reasons, and you know you just want to you
Speaker 6: just want to try to stay as healthy as possible.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, that's that's kind of my philosophy now, and
Speaker 7: I'm trying to steer it completely that direction.
Speaker 6: So yeah, absolutely, was there anything else that you had
Speaker 6: on the agenda that we haven't mentioned yet?
Speaker 7: Let me see out a quick note cheat, I'll just
Speaker 7: see if there's anything. No.
Speaker 8: I think, you know, it's.
Speaker 7: Kind of a final note, I guess would be the
Speaker 7: to answer the question why does it matter? And again
Speaker 7: I'm speaking mostly to Christians here. It matters because it
Speaker 7: enriched It is your proper Biblical cosmology enriches your faith,
Speaker 7: It enriches your life, It enriches your entire existence and
Speaker 7: your meaning. It's so it's so much better living for me,
Speaker 7: you know, knowing that God is above you know what
Speaker 7: he said is true right, and and everything the way
Speaker 7: that we see it with our eyes can be trusted
Speaker 7: because God made our eyes and our senses. And so
Speaker 7: I believe you can't hide away from this. If you're
Speaker 7: listening to this and you're saying, ah, you know, what
Speaker 7: does it really matter? Doesn't affect my salvation? You know
Speaker 7: what does it matter?
Speaker 8: What you believe?
Speaker 7: It does matter? It apps I can testify it it.
Speaker 7: If you really believe the word of God, all of it,
Speaker 7: you get more of God done simple. So I would
Speaker 7: encourage That's what I want to make sure is I
Speaker 7: want I would encourage every listener to really turn to the.
Speaker 8: Word of God and trust it even more than you have.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 6: And you know, out of all the history books, I
Speaker 6: can assure you that the Bible is the most accurate one.
Speaker 6: It has not changed over the last you know, we've
Speaker 6: been here at sixty five hundred years, right, you know,
Speaker 6: obviously they've changed versions and in many cases they've watered
Speaker 6: it down. I remember two Sundays ago reading along in church.
Speaker 6: I've got my KJV and they're reading from the EESV
Speaker 6: or whatever, and it's just that's not what it says. No,
Speaker 6: but you know, tweets their own, but that is the
Speaker 6: ultimate truth. God's word never changes. And I commend everyone,
Speaker 6: including yourself, Wayne, that has had the courage to have
Speaker 6: this type of discussion both you know, the Gospel of
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ and our true cosmology, because you know, those
Speaker 6: are things nobody wants to. You know, the last thing
Speaker 6: I thought of was, you know, becoming a flat earther,
Speaker 6: you know, ten years ago. But there's the truth and
Speaker 6: there's everything else. And you know, God tells us to
Speaker 6: put on the armor of God and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 6: So again, thank you so much for your time, Wayne,
Speaker 6: I really appreciate it. And we'll have all the links
Speaker 6: in the show notes, including Wayne's email. And again, Wayne,
Speaker 6: thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 8: I appreciate you.
Speaker 7: George, thank you so much for starting up this audio cast.
Speaker 7: I saw it by the way, I saw how you
Speaker 7: use that term. Nice job. Nice job. Yeah, you're on fire.
Speaker 3: You better get that trademarked. Yeah, a little TM there.
Speaker 8: Sorry, you can have it. I freely give it to you.
Speaker 8: You can use it, all right.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it was great to meet and thank you
Speaker 7: so much for your show, and keep up the good work.
Speaker 6: Likewise, God bless you, and thank you to all the
Speaker 6: listeners out there for your continued support. Keep your head
Speaker 6: on a swivel, and God bless each and every one
Speaker 6: of you. And until we meet again, my friends, we.
Speaker 3: Will see you.
Speaker 8: I'm knowing it's big struggle.
Speaker 9: I don't know if you've had me.
Speaker 5: Feel the TI.
Speaker 1: Tell down all the way? God, do you feeling more?
Speaker 1: Your smile ain't the same. I saw way to go
Speaker 1: from you feel like you've lost your way.
Speaker 5: Don't give up.
Speaker 4: No, don't give it and never this home. Don't let
Speaker 4: call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's gone up ladder.
Speaker 5: Why it's away, time got up? Let me come? Why wait, God, y.
Speaker 3: Come, I can see the straight beside you.
Speaker 1: Child's are putting up five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing.
Speaker 10: You are.
Speaker 9: Guy, You're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead
Speaker 9: founded beautiful you're shoving bride.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're living, breathing, move.
Speaker 3: You can hold your head of pie.
Speaker 4: Don't give up, No, don't give in. You never lose home.
Speaker 4: Don't let go on the primies. It ain't done Yet's God?
Speaker 5: I let Wat's a way tell the God of me
Speaker 5: became me?
Speaker 4: Don't give up, No, don't give in, you never lose home.
Speaker 4: Don't let go on the primies. It ain't God of life,
Speaker 4: it's worth than man. What's a way town? The God
Speaker 4: of Mabel, Why it's.
Speaker 5: A place God sav Oh yeah, what's the play down?
Speaker 5: The god baby call? Oh yeah, you got cat?
Speaker 10: Don't give up, No, don't give in? Never sol do
Speaker 10: they go off? The primis in and done? Yess got
Speaker 10: up playing watch and kind of I coas don't.
Speaker 8: Give no dog giving whatever the ho?
Speaker 2: Do they go?
Speaker 1: Of the crimes?
Speaker 5: It ain't done.
Speaker 10: Love's worth living works and the God of every cos.
Speaker 4: All, the God of needs.
Speaker 10: White dunk God.
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