Speaker 1: Oh well, thats are.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Cult of Conspiracy. I am Jacob.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Jonathan is out of pocket for
Speaker 2: this particular episode, so my amazing friend and co host
Speaker 2: Raven Lee is gonna be filling in the gap on
Speaker 2: this one. And as a matter of fact, she's the
Speaker 2: one that brought this next topic to me. We were
Speaker 2: doing some things, taking down some Halloween decorations, and the
Speaker 2: conversation came up about mosquito trucks and how the sprays
Speaker 2: that they are doing is getting into certain plants and
Speaker 2: that is affecting bee populations, and that kind of started
Speaker 2: the thought process of how we got down our certain
Speaker 2: rabbit hole, and my god, where we ended up was
Speaker 2: completely like the mosquito truck conversation has gone by the wayside.
Speaker 2: Everything else that we found out about this led to just, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, we're all over the place.
Speaker 3: Here, lots of b conversations and lots of weird kind
Speaker 3: of you know, back and forth between everything we had found.
Speaker 3: One thing says one thing and the other thing. It's
Speaker 3: just everything's contradicting each other.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we pretty much found that depending on the
Speaker 2: source that you find and depending on when that source
Speaker 2: was written or recorded, you're gonna get two very different
Speaker 2: narres to to start off trying to figure out about
Speaker 2: pollination and bees in general, and then we realized that
Speaker 2: there was a conflicting argument going on here. There are
Speaker 2: certain publications that are saying that the bee population is
Speaker 2: thriving and doing better than ever. I remember back mid
Speaker 2: twenty tens, there was this big push to where we're
Speaker 2: gonna lose all the bees in our country, and they
Speaker 2: were telling everybody to go outside and plant wildflowers in
Speaker 2: their backyards to help the bee population reproduce, which is excellent.
Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, we fixed it. We saved the bees.
Speaker 2: And I remember even hearing that Morgan Freeman bought was
Speaker 2: like four hundred acres, four hundred thousand, it's some crazy
Speaker 2: amount of land strictly to have wildflowers to help the
Speaker 2: natural bee population just repopulate itself. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the bees are back and we're doing great, good job, everybody,
Speaker 2: big pats on the back all the way around. And
Speaker 2: then we're hearing that, oh, yeah, give it another twenty
Speaker 2: years and we're just gonna have no bees whatsoever. And
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, we're hearing that these two
Speaker 2: conflicting stories are being said at the exact same time
Speaker 2: even today. So there seems to be a lot of
Speaker 2: misunderstandings and a lot of controversy surrounding what the truth
Speaker 2: is on bee populations, you know, and not just in
Speaker 2: the country, but in the world. So we decided to
Speaker 2: do a little bit of digging on this, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen
Speaker 2: and we're gonna play a couple of videos that we found.
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Speaker 2: without further ado, let's hear the two conflicting narratives as
Speaker 2: it pertains to the bee population in this country.
Speaker 4: More honeybees died in the US last year than in
Speaker 4: any other year in recorded history, and we don't exactly
Speaker 4: know why. A new study shows that over sixty percent
Speaker 4: of the bees kept by commercial beekeepers didn't survive the winter,
Speaker 4: making this the largest honeybee colony loss in US history.
Speaker 4: And viewer bees isn't just a serious problem for bees
Speaker 4: and beekeepers. It's a serious problem for every person on
Speaker 4: the planet. Honey bees pollinate many of the fruits, vegetables,
Speaker 4: and nuts that we and other animals eat, and without bees,
Speaker 4: many of these plants would struggle to grow or would
Speaker 4: disappear completely. Fewer bees means less pollination, less biodiversity, and
Speaker 4: less food for every person on Earth. Scientists and beekeepers
Speaker 4: are working together to figure out why so many bees
Speaker 4: died last year. But the truth is that one of
Speaker 4: the biggest problems bees face is US humans. Through climate change,
Speaker 4: habitat destruction, and industrial agriculture, we are destroying the plants
Speaker 4: and places that bees rely on for food. But the
Speaker 4: good news is that everyone can help bees by doing
Speaker 4: one simple thing. Plant more flowering plants, bushes and trees
Speaker 4: for bees. Native plants are always best, and every bloom
Speaker 4: makes a difference. And if we all work together, we
Speaker 4: can make every day another great day of saving the bees.
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, her hardss'es into her microphone was
Speaker 2: a bit rough, but okay, I get it. Secondly, all right,
Speaker 2: so this is from Texas bee Works, shouts out, and
Speaker 2: she is a influencer YouTuber, TikToker beekeeper, so of course
Speaker 2: she is going to have a certain side of the
Speaker 2: narrative that she pushes the most, and that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But you're gonna hear that be a reoccurring theme that
Speaker 2: it's because of climate change, it's because of industrial agriculture,
Speaker 2: it's because of the destruction of natural habitat, their natural
Speaker 2: habitat destruction, right exactly, and also a shout out to
Speaker 2: her for being an og with it.
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, just grabbing all the bees byre with
Speaker 3: her hand. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: That's borderline sociopathic behavior. She's out there in a short
Speaker 2: sleeve shirt and jeans, no mask on or anything. She
Speaker 2: scooping bees up with her hand, just lottied on.
Speaker 3: Have you ever watched the guy and girl they're like
Speaker 3: a husband and wife couple, and they go and he'll
Speaker 3: have like ten thousand bees that he just grabs with
Speaker 3: his hands and like scoops him in boxes and like
Speaker 3: there's no anything that he's using. He's just out there
Speaker 3: grabbing the bees. And I'm like, I guess, I.
Speaker 2: Guess the sociopaths. I feel the same way about people
Speaker 2: that handle snakes. They're fucking sociopaths. But I know that
Speaker 2: I'm a weird one on that one.
Speaker 3: But whatever, sneaks are awesome.
Speaker 2: You know, respectfully, I disagree the nope ropes are not
Speaker 2: my jam. But anyway, all right, So this is a
Speaker 2: narrative that you're gonna hear pushed a lot by the
Speaker 2: people that are saying that we need to save the
Speaker 2: bees and that all of them are dying all these things. Right,
Speaker 2: she just said that half of the bee hives did
Speaker 2: not survive the winter. Now we listen to this guy
Speaker 2: who this video was posted just a few months prior
Speaker 2: to what she posted, and it spins it completely different narrative.
Speaker 5: Listen in thees, do you remember seeing headlines about bees disappearing?
Speaker 5: What really happened?
Speaker 2: For years?
Speaker 5: Honey bees had been dying off in droves, and no
Speaker 5: one really seemed to know why. There were a lot
Speaker 5: of worries about what that could mean for farmers. Pesticides
Speaker 5: and global warming got some of the blame, so did
Speaker 5: creepier things like the varrow mighte and a mysterious disease
Speaker 5: known as colony collapse disorder. The bee pockalypse was probably
Speaker 5: caused by some combination of those things.
Speaker 6: But here's the good news.
Speaker 5: Bees didn't go extinct for the same reason that we
Speaker 5: don't worry about cows and chickens going extinct, because they
Speaker 5: are super valuable to humans. When the bees were dying
Speaker 5: in huge numbers, commercial beekeepers responded by building more colonies,
Speaker 5: and since bees are essential to pollinating a wide range
Speaker 5: of crops almonds, especially, farmers had a strong incentive to
Speaker 5: help save the bees too.
Speaker 6: So the beepocalypse is over.
Speaker 5: In fact, America now has a record number of bees
Speaker 5: and the number of bee colonies is up thirty one
Speaker 5: percent since two thousand and seven according to the USDA.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're getting reports saying that the bee hives
Speaker 2: are up thirty percent in the last twenty years and
Speaker 2: that we have now more bee hives and bees than
Speaker 2: we ever have before in reten history. Meanwhile, we have
Speaker 2: the other narrative saying that the bee population has suffered
Speaker 2: more losses than they ever have throughout human history. So
Speaker 2: you see why we decided that this was what we
Speaker 2: needed to run on with this episode. You know, it's
Speaker 2: wild things. But anyway, so with all this being said,
Speaker 2: Raven has done a good deep dive into some of
Speaker 2: the notes on this, and to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I had no idea that we had half African hybrid
Speaker 2: bees that were pretty much taking over this continent. And
Speaker 2: that's the bees that are in question to all this conversation.
Speaker 3: So the narrative.
Speaker 5: So, in.
Speaker 3: Sixteen twenty two, an English settler decided to bring over
Speaker 3: European honey bees to America. John Before then, there was
Speaker 3: four thousand species of bees already native here. When brought
Speaker 3: them over. They're super docile bees. They're not aggressive, they're
Speaker 3: very actually, they're very sweet bees. And so they got
Speaker 3: along and integrated really well throughout the continent. They did
Speaker 3: really good. It's estimated that we have about two point
Speaker 3: five million hives right now and about fifty billion bees.
Speaker 2: Now that's not strictly honey bees, is it, No? Okay?
Speaker 2: Because I watched something earlier that was saying, like, of
Speaker 2: the four thousand species that we have native to North America,
Speaker 2: there are some they had it like sitting on top
Speaker 2: of a dime. One of them I thought was actually
Speaker 2: a blue ant and it's like the smallest bee that
Speaker 2: we have in this continent. And then the other one
Speaker 2: was a carpenter bee, which was the largest, and then
Speaker 2: thing took over the dime.
Speaker 3: They have a whole bunch of different varieties, but they're
Speaker 3: averaging around fifty billion bees, which they all of them
Speaker 3: do different things when it comes to pollination, and there's
Speaker 3: certain plants that only certain bees will go to and
Speaker 3: seen with butterflies, seen with bats. There's actually like two
Speaker 3: lizards that help pollinate stuff too. There's a couple lemurs
Speaker 3: help pollinate. There's some random animals that help pollinate and
Speaker 3: help actually spread, just kind of like how birds will
Speaker 3: be able to transfer seeds all over locations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that too, as far as a pollination goes.
Speaker 2: There's two types of birds that they brought up. One
Speaker 2: was the orioles and the other one was a hummingbird,
Speaker 2: which the hummingbird makes sense to me, right, Their diet
Speaker 2: is consistently off of nectar, so it makes sense that
Speaker 2: they would help in the pollination process. But I didn't
Speaker 2: see the other bird species getting in on that conversation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so there is other pollinators out there beside
Speaker 2: the bee, But I would speculate that the bee is
Speaker 2: doing the lion's share of the work when it comes
Speaker 2: to the pollination conversation.
Speaker 3: They're doing the most work, They're doing the most leg work.
Speaker 3: They all they do all day long is pollinate where
Speaker 3: the other ones it's in sections of time, and so
Speaker 3: like at night with the bats, they only pollinate during
Speaker 3: that time, so it's not the same as going like
Speaker 3: for all day long.
Speaker 2: So I heard the bees don't sting at night. Have
Speaker 2: you ever heard that myth? That's a lie.
Speaker 3: Well, that's because of the African high bred gene.
Speaker 2: Well I can't speak to naturally what they're doing, but yeah,
Speaker 2: bees pollinate during the daylight hours for sure. But I
Speaker 2: had a buddy of mine who believed, for some reason,
Speaker 2: some Internet thing told him that because bees only operate
Speaker 2: during the day, they also don't sting you if you're
Speaker 2: messing with them at night. So he had the bright
Speaker 2: idea of trying to get the honey inside of this
Speaker 2: high Q a natural high by the way, not a box.
Speaker 2: He just decided he was gonna go fuck with it
Speaker 2: at night and lo and behold with no smoker, no nothing,
Speaker 2: just getting after it because.
Speaker 3: He got up.
Speaker 2: Boy, you got lit up. That was beautiful. It was
Speaker 2: so great. But anyway, yeah, so as far as the
Speaker 2: nighttime pollination goes, it makes sense the bats would enter
Speaker 2: the conversation at that point.
Speaker 3: So the well, the bees that you're talking about that
Speaker 3: seeing it's actually the native bees aren't aggressive and the
Speaker 3: European bees really don't sting. It's the African bloodline the
Speaker 3: gene that are the ones that sing. So in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty seven in Brazil, there is a man named Warwick Kinner.
Speaker 3: He experimented on crossing African bees with European bees because
Speaker 3: they wanted to create a bee that would withstand the heat,
Speaker 3: work longer, and produce more. In theory, it was a
Speaker 3: really good idea to spice the genes and to create
Speaker 3: this hybrid. The problem is they had a few dozen
Speaker 3: of the bees escape and from there it they have
Speaker 3: traveled through the Amazon, through South America up to North America.
Speaker 2: And what was the year he was doing the gene
Speaker 2: splicing again, seven fifty seven. You know what. We just
Speaker 2: talked about this on a couple episodes ago, about how
Speaker 2: the government is doing gene splicing with insects and that
Speaker 2: they have been for a very long time Operation Big
Speaker 2: Itch in Operation Big Buzz when they air dropped bombs
Speaker 2: full of mosquitoes just to see what would happen.
Speaker 3: And it's a thing that's been around for decades and
Speaker 3: the whole conversation like with Bill Gates and then genetically
Speaker 3: modifying those kind of bugs, and it's been a thing.
Speaker 3: They're just getting better at creating right different type of superbugs.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that most people don't understand that
Speaker 2: like gene splicing technology labs that are literally messing with
Speaker 2: the genetic code of species. That's not a new thing.
Speaker 2: That's not something that came around only in the past
Speaker 2: couple of decades. They've been doing this. This was Cold
Speaker 2: War era technology and funding that was going into gene
Speaker 2: splicing insects for different reasons. The bees, I could understand it,
Speaker 2: being that they wanted to make the agriculture stronger, and
Speaker 2: I completely get that. But then when they were talking
Speaker 2: like the mosquitos and the ticks and all that, that
Speaker 2: was for weaponizing them. But during that same timeframe fifty seven,
Speaker 2: this guy Warwick in Brazil was gene splicing half African
Speaker 2: and half European or half American European beings.
Speaker 3: Yes, because the European.
Speaker 2: Beats they got here in the fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got here sixteen twenty two. Because when they
Speaker 3: got here, but they were they're very sweet kind of
Speaker 3: bees and very dociles, so they're easily manipulated. I guess
Speaker 3: their genes are quite easy to share with other ones.
Speaker 3: Later on in the conversation, that's where like the African,
Speaker 3: not the African, the Asian bee and the European bee
Speaker 3: are having trouble with the same might because the might
Speaker 3: was able to transfer between the two because their genes
Speaker 3: are similar to each other.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: So in nineteen ninety, Texas confirmed the first ever cases
Speaker 3: of Africanized bees in their location. So they started having
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this when we were younger,
Speaker 3: but they started having all these commercials and all this
Speaker 3: stuff go on on TV about Africanized bees. These bees
Speaker 3: are attacking people, they're attacking places, and all these bees
Speaker 3: are swarming and people are dying from them and they're
Speaker 3: having all these issues. So this is the bee that
Speaker 3: this all of the st from.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I mean I feel like most of us
Speaker 2: can remember whether it was a commercial or that movie
Speaker 2: where Macaulay Culkin died because he got sworn by these
Speaker 2: African killer bees that just happened to be in America,
Speaker 2: or even a Boy Meets World episode which I actually
Speaker 2: have pulled up as a matter of fact, and most
Speaker 2: people probably heard this, and at the time it was
Speaker 2: just kind of a part of the cultural zeitguy, so
Speaker 2: nobody really questioned anything beyond it. Just those you know,
Speaker 2: those African killer bees they're making their way around. No
Speaker 2: one thought any more about it. And no, we're not
Speaker 2: going to the whole killer hornet or whatever that thing
Speaker 2: was that they said was going to be the new
Speaker 2: Apocalypse a couple of years ago in the nineties. This episode, right,
Speaker 2: this episode that we're about to play, was aired in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, and even then they were talking about
Speaker 2: some sort of a crazy African killer bee conversation. And
Speaker 2: you know, it's only three and a half minutes, but
Speaker 2: let's take a little blast to the past to boy
Speaker 2: meets World.
Speaker 7: George, what.
Speaker 8: This.
Speaker 2: I didn't do this.
Speaker 8: You believe them when they told me, But it's hard
Speaker 8: to argue with something that's right in front of your face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just as shocked as you are.
Speaker 3: Dean.
Speaker 2: Oh no, look, this is insane.
Speaker 6: Put the brain down.
Speaker 7: In Heaven's name were you thinking of when you did this?
Speaker 2: I didn't do it.
Speaker 6: They did it.
Speaker 2: Oh, mister Feeney, we are insulted.
Speaker 6: Sean and I have been upstairs selling muffins for the underprivileged.
Speaker 8: They were down here with me, Tapanga.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't lie for him.
Speaker 7: Where was he?
Speaker 2: He's been selling muffins all day.
Speaker 9: So Sean, we're legitimate.
Speaker 7: Now why did you do this? George?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 7: You know something, Dean.
Speaker 10: This was simply just an act of love culminating in
Speaker 10: an act of analyism.
Speaker 3: And it actually happens all the.
Speaker 7: Time, an active love. Was this an act of love?
Speaker 3: George?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yep, all right, nobody moves.
Speaker 7: Where's my bee? B what be my bee?
Speaker 6: It's my discovery.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, it's an aga que and be.
Speaker 6: I've been searching for it for years, Curtis, you've been
Speaker 6: out of town a little too long.
Speaker 7: Those African killer bees are swarming all over the country.
Speaker 9: They're doing Philly next Tuesday.
Speaker 6: This bee has a reverse migration pattern. We make that
Speaker 6: species with the killer bees that are already here.
Speaker 7: They start migrating back where they originated from, saving thousands
Speaker 7: of lives that could be rich.
Speaker 3: It's to me, everybody, I'll kill it.
Speaker 5: No, don't touch that.
Speaker 6: Bee, Curtis.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: The statue of King Haafaratu you gave me for our
Speaker 6: anniversary it's broken. The hell with the statue.
Speaker 2: The stuff is nothing but junk compared to that bee.
Speaker 3: This is chunk.
Speaker 6: Don't move.
Speaker 2: The bee's on you.
Speaker 8: Oh, Curtis, you know I'm allergic to bees, So you
Speaker 8: puff up for a little while.
Speaker 6: This is my nobel prize.
Speaker 8: I don't think so, Curtis, Oh, shouts out to Boymet's World.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that show.
Speaker 3: Same. I watched every episode everything. I love it so much.
Speaker 2: But you heard what they were saying, The African bees
Speaker 2: are swarming all over the country, Like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about in this whole Well, it's
Speaker 2: a reversal thing. If we could do that and mix
Speaker 2: it with the African bees that are already here. These
Speaker 2: whole things about African killer bees all over North America.
Speaker 2: That was a part of the cultural zeitgeist for at
Speaker 2: least half of the nineties. And so you're saying that
Speaker 2: that was in part due to the African bees. That
Speaker 2: was the hybridization of them.
Speaker 3: So in nineteen ninety, the first confirmed cases were in Texas,
Speaker 3: and then from there they went to Arizona, then they
Speaker 3: made their way into Imperial Valley, California. It's important because
Speaker 3: in California, they have the almond farbes and so this
Speaker 3: is a huge part to play in the next couple
Speaker 3: decades of the bee culture. So in nineteen ninety four
Speaker 3: they were identified in Imperial Valley and that's when the
Speaker 3: map changed from being in one location to starting to
Speaker 3: spread across the country of these Africanized bees. So a
Speaker 3: lot of so these bees are they can actually spread
Speaker 3: between one sixty to five hundred kilometers in a rate
Speaker 3: of like a few days. They travel super.
Speaker 2: Fast, Okay, so not just travel that far pollinate that far, So.
Speaker 3: No, they travel so they actually they are they are
Speaker 3: built to be faster, they fly higher, and they nest deeper.
Speaker 3: They're really intelligent bees. Wow, really intelligent, Like they're they
Speaker 3: were created to withstand and then as time went on
Speaker 3: they continue to adapt and then in they became really
Speaker 3: violent though, because they didn't like the noise, vibrations and
Speaker 3: the usual smell. So what people were showing, what they
Speaker 3: were seeing on the news was people being attacked them
Speaker 3: swarming vehicles. Like there's you know all those videos of
Speaker 3: them swarming vehicles that one guy got attacked and then
Speaker 3: like zoomed in on him and he has like a
Speaker 3: hundred bees on him and he's falling to the ground
Speaker 3: and dying.
Speaker 2: So it was a territorial thing they or it was
Speaker 2: an environmental thing.
Speaker 3: It was an environmental thing. They just were very aggressive naturally,
Speaker 3: and then they got really even more irritated because of
Speaker 3: those things that they weren't exposed to previously in the
Speaker 3: Amazon and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That was in the nineties where it started to get
Speaker 2: So that's actually very interesting because like what makes a
Speaker 2: bee violent, there's a few a certain perfumes, certain colognes
Speaker 2: can absolutely agitate bees. They smell things on the level
Speaker 2: that we can't, and that makes sense to me. But
Speaker 2: and we've talked about this on the show a couple
Speaker 2: of times. So by all known laws of aviation, bees
Speaker 2: are not supposed to be able to fly. Their wings
Speaker 2: are too tiny, their bodies are too fat, and there's
Speaker 2: no way that they're able to get lift according to
Speaker 2: what we know about aviation. That being said, they recently
Speaker 2: did more studies and found out they're actually able to
Speaker 2: vibrate their thorax, like their body is actually able to
Speaker 2: vibrate at different rates, which gives them enough lift for
Speaker 2: lack of better words, it's able to actually affect their
Speaker 2: mass at a molecular level, So that's how they're able
Speaker 2: to fly. Now that being said, in the nineties, what
Speaker 2: became very very popular that might be messing with things
Speaker 2: at a vibrational level that humans can't pick up on.
Speaker 2: But I bet the bees could.
Speaker 3: Cell phones.
Speaker 2: Cell phones absolutely, and I mean radio is a different thing.
Speaker 2: Radio waves have been in effect since the early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: broad scales since the nineteen twenties and thirties, so you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that also played an effect on the bees
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: The long term and short term radio waves are completely
Speaker 3: different from each other. You know, you have different types
Speaker 3: of radio waves and each one of them does a
Speaker 3: different frequency. The frequencies are what it impacts the different
Speaker 3: animals and insects around it. Plus you're doing short bursts
Speaker 3: like they're not continuous streams. Every time you're speaking is
Speaker 3: when it sends over the signal, and it would be
Speaker 3: it's harder to travel over land than it is over water,
Speaker 3: and so when you're having and peeing the towers, it's
Speaker 3: sending little bleeps here and then it drops down to
Speaker 3: another tower verse where the actual waves for a cell
Speaker 3: phone it's going to continuous stream of pulsing out waves
Speaker 3: and so that's a completely different way of impacting things
Speaker 3: around it.
Speaker 2: And I mean we've talked about this before. How much
Speaker 2: of our environment is different now because of cell phones,
Speaker 2: five G whatever. The new technology is Wi Fi absolutely
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Speaker 2: using sound waves. So your ears cannot pick up on,
Speaker 2: but your body the resonance can pick up on. Cell
Speaker 2: phones give off a resonance that we can't pick up on,
Speaker 2: but I guarantee the bees can. So I'm also of
Speaker 2: the belief, yes, a bit of the conspiratorial belief, but
Speaker 2: that's kind of the whole point of the show, that
Speaker 2: the cell phone towers and the amount of technology that
Speaker 2: started to get pushed more heavily, especially into the nineties
Speaker 2: when everybody was carrying around a Nokia brick. I have
Speaker 2: a hard time believing that that had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with how the bees all of a sudden went agro, because,
Speaker 2: like you said, the African bees, they were here for decades, right,
Speaker 2: They were for this not before the nineties.
Speaker 3: No, So the first confirmed case was in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: and then in nineteen ninety four is when they were
Speaker 3: confirmed in California because they spread over into Imperial Valley.
Speaker 3: They've been around though since nineteen fifty seven. They had
Speaker 3: to migrate their way all the way up to North America.
Speaker 2: They were in an area that didn't have the amount
Speaker 2: of technology that we have on a regular basis.
Speaker 3: Yes, they were in the Amazon in South America. They
Speaker 3: were in so like, that's a completely different especially in
Speaker 3: the nineties and before then, think about the culture and
Speaker 3: the way everything was, and then as they traversed up
Speaker 3: to us, things were changing in the actual environment and
Speaker 3: you know how we were operating as humans.
Speaker 2: The entirely different ecosystem. So yeah, okay, okay, it's not
Speaker 2: that cell phones became popular at the time they made
Speaker 2: their way here. As cell phones are becoming more popular,
Speaker 2: so it was more violent.
Speaker 3: And aggressive because of the sounds and the noises and
Speaker 3: all of that. So that's where a lot of the
Speaker 3: fear came from for people in the nineties of bees.
Speaker 3: It was because of this Africanized bee that was a
Speaker 3: hybred and then it was the whole thing. So California
Speaker 3: really became the hub of this conversation because of the
Speaker 3: almond factory or the almond fields farms.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, orchards because almonds grow on a tree. So
Speaker 2: would that technically be an almond orchard.
Speaker 3: I think it would be Actually, yeah.
Speaker 2: Farm grove. It's a grove. Like pecans don't grow an orchard,
Speaker 2: they grow they grow in a grove.
Speaker 3: Man, We're smart begetting there. Yeah. So the native bees,
Speaker 3: when these Africanized bees started to take over in California,
Speaker 3: the problem was is they already had native bees there,
Speaker 3: aka the European bees that were introduced in sixteen twenty two.
Speaker 3: They became they were native quote, and because they intermixed
Speaker 3: with the actual native species that were here and they
Speaker 3: developed their own little subspecies. But they became weaker and
Speaker 3: started to disappear, and they started to be destroyed because
Speaker 3: infections of fears. So people were killing bees just in
Speaker 3: mass thinking that they were killing these Africanized bees. In reality,
Speaker 3: they were killing the native bees that they needed. But
Speaker 3: the problem was is now that they've the pesticides were
Speaker 3: weakening their immune systems and waking them overall. And then
Speaker 3: on top of that they're being mass killed. So then
Speaker 3: it just kind of paved the way for the Afghanized
Speaker 3: bees that are smarter and more resistant to thrive and survive.
Speaker 2: Could you tell the difference but by just looking at
Speaker 2: them unless you were somebody that was read in on it,
Speaker 2: Like if you were to see a European descent be
Speaker 2: literally next to a Africa or hybrid bee, would any
Speaker 2: regular layperson be able to tell a difference.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what they actually look like. But
Speaker 3: I know because the bees that we have around us,
Speaker 3: sixty to seventy percent of them are have genetic to African,
Speaker 3: so the Afghanized bees, so like we don't even know
Speaker 3: what a lot of the native bees look like the
Speaker 3: majority of us because I mean, unless we really studied them.
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to be able to really tell
Speaker 3: the difference between different types of little honey bees.
Speaker 2: And especially if you have a hive that just happens
Speaker 2: to have sprung up near you, You're not going to
Speaker 2: go through the process of trying to check what it is.
Speaker 2: It's a nuisance and you got to get rid of it.
Speaker 2: And that, Yeah, all people.
Speaker 3: Knew then was the news is telling us these bees
Speaker 3: are killing us, so like, we need to take care
Speaker 3: of this now, and that caused this whole situation to happen.
Speaker 3: The hunting production in nineteen ninety four went down ten
Speaker 3: percent in affected areas because they were killing off the
Speaker 3: native bees and the African bees were pissed off and
Speaker 3: so they didn't want to They weren't doing their job
Speaker 3: effectively because they were trying to pretty much establish They
Speaker 3: were very aggressive in their territory and so they're trying
Speaker 3: to establish doing what they were doing. So they were
Speaker 3: already impacting the environment just in nineteen ninety four the region.
Speaker 3: So in California they decided to try to take control.
Speaker 3: So this whole conversation ends up being human technology verse
Speaker 3: nature for the next few decades. This is what this
Speaker 3: conversation actually.
Speaker 2: Is, because that's ever worked out positively ever throughout human history.
Speaker 3: Well, they felt some type of way, so in California
Speaker 3: they decided to burn hives, spray carbon and an oxide, foam,
Speaker 3: spray chemicals.
Speaker 2: And carbon monoxide, foam, carbon dioxide.
Speaker 3: Dioxide'm about to say, gol the carbon dioxide phone.
Speaker 2: Okay, man, I just hurried up to say, they just
Speaker 2: go on for the kill shot. Across the board, ain't they.
Speaker 3: And they locked down neighborhoods. Yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 3: really interesting that they locked down like actual locations where
Speaker 3: they found the bees, Africanized bees. They were trying to
Speaker 3: like walk them in a little spot until they could
Speaker 3: kill them all and eradicate it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: The hybrids, though eliminated, they continued to try to fight
Speaker 3: the African bees. But the problem is is that through
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety to the two thousands, there was only like
Speaker 3: four to seven percent of the States weren't affected by
Speaker 3: these bees. Everywhere else was affected by these bees. But
Speaker 3: no matter what they did, even into the two thousands,
Speaker 3: they discovered that sixty to seventy percent of these African
Speaker 3: bees survived everything that they did.
Speaker 2: So essentially became a spy versus spy kind of situation
Speaker 2: where the bees were adapting to their environment. Humans would
Speaker 2: come up with some new way to eradicate them. The
Speaker 2: next season, the bees would find a way around that.
Speaker 2: Then they would find a new way. Basically that's what
Speaker 2: it became.
Speaker 3: Yes, so the bees, the hybrids adapted to building their hives,
Speaker 3: so they decided so they started spraying the air right,
Speaker 3: they were spraying chemicals in the airs trying to kill
Speaker 3: off the hives. So the bees adapted the next season
Speaker 3: to being like, okay, cool, you're going to spray and
Speaker 3: contaminate the air. What we're going to do is we're
Speaker 3: going to find places that you can't the air can't
Speaker 3: get to us pretty much. So they started laying hives.
Speaker 3: They started building their hives in pipes, under houses. They
Speaker 3: put them like anywhere they could find that was a
Speaker 3: tiny little niche that was away from the chemical air.
Speaker 3: That's where they actually thrived. If you've ever seen the
Speaker 3: guy I was talking about just a minute ago that
Speaker 3: scoops up bees with his hands, you'll see him cut
Speaker 3: into say a well house and underneath the ground they
Speaker 3: actually use like heating technology, and they look for the hive.
Speaker 3: They'll find them inside the ground, like underneath the boards.
Speaker 3: Those are afroganized beasts. Those are just generations of it
Speaker 3: that have been here. They found them in like concrete walls.
Speaker 3: Those are those beasts. They have adapted to keeping themselves
Speaker 3: away from pesticides so that they could survive.
Speaker 2: So the only experience I have with this is my
Speaker 2: parents when they bought the land they currently live on,
Speaker 2: there was a dead tree, and the top of this
Speaker 2: tree got taken out by a hurricane years and years
Speaker 2: before they even bought the property. But they decided that
Speaker 2: they wanted to take down this tree. Okay, cool, My uncle,
Speaker 2: who is a career arborist, came in and cut the
Speaker 2: tree down. As soon as the top of that tree
Speaker 2: hit the ground, a black cloud came out of the
Speaker 2: top of this thing. Everybody was inside. Oh bad, it
Speaker 2: was bad. We didn't really they first off didn't realize
Speaker 2: there was a beehive in this tree. Second, they didn't
Speaker 2: realize how big this beehive was. And again it was
Speaker 2: at the top We're talking probably sixty feet up, and
Speaker 2: it was bad. So they called a be expert, and
Speaker 2: because they realized that, they were inside for probably twenty minutes,
Speaker 2: and it got worse, and it got worse, and it
Speaker 2: got worse. So after about an hour, they finally called
Speaker 2: a guy and was like, hey, there's no way there
Speaker 2: was this many bees in this hive, So what's the deal.
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, good news and bad news. Bad news.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
Speaker 2: You're gonna want to stay inside for a couple hours
Speaker 2: and They're like, what do you mean. So basically, you
Speaker 2: just cracked open a massive hive. Now every bee within
Speaker 2: a ten mile radius is coming to take that honey
Speaker 2: right now, and there's there's nothing that could be done,
Speaker 2: So y'all are gonna need to stay inside it and
Speaker 2: hunkered out. So they had to get cops to come
Speaker 2: and like designate off a section of ninet thirty three
Speaker 2: because it was that bad. Like when I'm saying a
Speaker 2: black cloud, I like the cartoons that you see, Yeah,
Speaker 2: think of that, about a football field size of a
Speaker 2: black cloud that was swarming on this one tree and
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Once the honey was gone, they were gone.
Speaker 3: That's insane. I've never I mean, I've never seen that
Speaker 3: in person, but that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I was in the Marines at the time. They told
Speaker 2: me about it. Later I thought they were over dramatic. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: this was bad, bad.
Speaker 3: So these bees, these these highbred bees, are the ones
Speaker 3: that can fly higher yep. And so that's likely who
Speaker 3: was there in the tree with these bees because they
Speaker 3: can outlast they can get above where the normal little
Speaker 3: native honey bees they can't get that high.
Speaker 2: And the high was inside of the trunk of a
Speaker 2: dead tree. This also makes sense.
Speaker 3: Wow, And they also they're more resilient colonies. So scientists
Speaker 3: call this whole adaptation that they have a paradoxal recovery effect.
Speaker 3: And so pretty much every time the humans have tried
Speaker 3: to come up with something, this particular brand of bees
Speaker 3: can adapt in and overcome within. They can't even keep
Speaker 3: the models up to date every time they try. They've
Speaker 3: already adapted to it. So they created like this this
Speaker 3: spray that they thought that was gonna kill them, they
Speaker 3: all adapted to it than six months, and then they
Speaker 3: couldn't even they couldn't even kill them off. They immediately
Speaker 3: started to adapt. They already formed a resistance almost immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it got like the first first wave, but then they
Speaker 3: had already started to adapt to this. So this is
Speaker 3: this whole thing has been a money pit for decades
Speaker 3: of them throwing money into it, for decades of trying
Speaker 3: to fight the bees, saying we have to eradicate them.
Speaker 3: So Texas was one of the main ones that decided,
Speaker 3: like newsfucker's gotta die, whereas Arizona was like, all right,
Speaker 3: so clearly we're mistaken, Like clearly nature is going to
Speaker 3: find a way and nature is pretty much given us
Speaker 3: the middle finger every chance of it that they can get,
Speaker 3: and we are losing.
Speaker 2: So from there they try to fight against nature.
Speaker 3: This so they had this killer bee campaign that they
Speaker 3: pushed in the nineties in the two thousands for well
Speaker 3: up unto a certain point until we started having a
Speaker 3: colony collapse. But they had this bee campaign that they
Speaker 3: were like, let's kill these bees off because like, we
Speaker 3: don't need them here, we need to try to make
Speaker 3: sure the native species are gonna survive. It didn't work,
Speaker 3: because the bees are still surviving seventy percent of them
Speaker 3: no matter what you kill. The problem is is they
Speaker 3: killed one, they would knock down a hive and try
Speaker 3: to destroy it right within hours, within a three mile ratus,
Speaker 3: they would already have anywhere between three to five new
Speaker 3: hives building from that hive itself. So like the ones
Speaker 3: that survived, they'd be out already building a new hive,
Speaker 3: And so every time they would try to get a
Speaker 3: step ahead of them, they were like, gotcha, cool, We're
Speaker 3: just gonna go build another hive down the street.
Speaker 2: So now this leads to the question, why if bees
Speaker 2: are that resilient and they are doing great and they're
Speaker 2: gonna be fine no matter what we try to do,
Speaker 2: they are going to be good. Why are we still
Speaker 2: hearing the narrative that these bees are on the verge
Speaker 2: of extinction. At the bee go extinct, then so does
Speaker 2: all of our food supply. I mean, and that's a
Speaker 2: fair point, right, You can be well, right, right, right,
Speaker 2: and it gets all that in the moment. But that's
Speaker 2: not an unfair thing to say, right If, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: if the bees went away right now, human beings would
Speaker 2: follow because without them, any big agricultural farm that you
Speaker 2: can find has bee hives on site because they help
Speaker 2: with the pollination. Whether it's cucumbers, whether it's fruit, whether
Speaker 2: it's corn, it doesn't matter. We need bees in order
Speaker 2: to have the mass scale of agriculture to feed the
Speaker 2: population that we do. So I can understand why people
Speaker 2: are saying that when the bees go downhill, and when
Speaker 2: our population of bees are dying off in such numbers,
Speaker 2: that is something that we need to be concerned about.
Speaker 2: I can absolutely agree with that. However, the way that
Speaker 2: the narrative has been spun is making it seem like
Speaker 2: we are the reason why this is happening. Humans are
Speaker 2: the reason why the bees are dying.
Speaker 3: There's a lot to play into that though, because humans
Speaker 3: are are impacting everything globally, I mean the climate climate
Speaker 3: change conversation a lot of people. It's a back and
Speaker 3: forth thing. There's a lot to be said that we
Speaker 3: are impacting the Earth in a lot of negative ways,
Speaker 3: and we have been doing that now in the last decade,
Speaker 3: we've been more conscientious of what we're doing. But our
Speaker 3: carbon footprint per person in America is insane compared globally.
Speaker 2: But that even still, carbon is not a bad thingsuch
Speaker 2: a narrative to say that it is, but it's really not.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: Carbon footprint conversation, though, is also about waste and pollution. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it has it's all tight in of together, which
Speaker 3: impacts the bees, the butterflies, all of it.
Speaker 2: And I could agree with that too. But I would
Speaker 2: also argue that if you look at an American per
Speaker 2: capita as opposed to an Indian or a Russian or
Speaker 2: a Chinese per capita, we are doing a lot less
Speaker 2: damage than those three countries are. As far as hurting
Speaker 2: Mother Earth.
Speaker 3: Goes, it's not the it's not the total, it's individual individually.
Speaker 3: Each household hurts more than those companies, than those countries.
Speaker 2: Will still using cold to heat their homes. There's no will.
Speaker 3: I will have to find the actual diagram. I have
Speaker 3: a whole thing, Like I had to do a huge
Speaker 3: paper about it in my environmental class and we had
Speaker 3: to break it down per person, per household versus every
Speaker 3: other country, and to see because we use so much
Speaker 3: stuff as Americans country, for sure what we waste, and
Speaker 3: we use so many things, and we pollute so much individually,
Speaker 3: we are doing a lot more damage.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to see this because.
Speaker 3: I'll have to. I'll have to find it for you.
Speaker 2: Like we have an EPA, we have restrictions on what
Speaker 2: we're allowed to burn. We we have a way that
Speaker 2: are we have electricity in our homes right now. Now
Speaker 2: you compare that to what Russia is dumping into the
Speaker 2: ocean and bearing an un uh unsecured landfills. You look
Speaker 2: at how China is industrial Like if you've ever seen
Speaker 2: a picture of Beijing and it looks like there's fog
Speaker 2: every single day, and that is certainly not fog. When
Speaker 2: you tell me that we are not we're doing worse
Speaker 2: than China or India, I mean shit, go to have
Speaker 2: you played the game. Have you gone to street view
Speaker 2: in India and tried to find a spot without shit
Speaker 2: on the ground?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't, but I mean in India's rivers are
Speaker 3: absolutely disaster right. But there's there is a lot of
Speaker 3: different information though for how much we use in the
Speaker 3: sense of like pollution wise, how much things that everything
Speaker 3: that we tie into what we do as a daily
Speaker 3: use as Americans versus what they're using daily is a
Speaker 3: completely different, like conversation.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to see that report.
Speaker 3: This is a mind blowing I have to find it
Speaker 3: for you because it's crazy. Back to the little bees though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they try to introduce the European bees, like strictly
Speaker 3: European bees, not native high bred crosses or anything that
Speaker 3: they actually tried to make them breed with the Africanized bees.
Speaker 3: So they took the Afghanized bees that were here and
Speaker 3: they decided to do controlled experiment to try and get
Speaker 3: them to be more gentler, be happier, kind of you know, hey,
Speaker 3: let's hang out. Despite everything they did in twenty fifteen
Speaker 3: to do this, all of the African traits still dominated through.
Speaker 2: They tried to breed docility into the bees, and they
Speaker 2: still were just like nah, bra yeah, well of course, okay.
Speaker 3: Pretty much they despite they had thousands of manage like
Speaker 3: thousands of colonies that they tried this with, and all
Speaker 3: of them pretty much said screw you, we're just gonna
Speaker 3: We're just gonna keep on going on. And so as
Speaker 3: they continued to resist chemicals and learn how to dig deeper,
Speaker 3: make their nests deeper, learn how to get faster, learn
Speaker 3: how to do more, they have been continuously evolving. And
Speaker 3: so they now call it the reverse evolutionary response. So
Speaker 3: that's the Yeah, they have terms for all of.
Speaker 2: The reverse evolutionary Charles Darwin would be so upset with
Speaker 2: that concept. Now, what do you mean by this?
Speaker 3: So because they are I guess they are reversing everything
Speaker 3: that they throw out them. They're reversing like an uner
Speaker 3: reverse card. That's pretty much what they named it for,
Speaker 3: Like they're uner reversing like haha, you know, here's four,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna reverse that and give that back to you.
Speaker 3: So the bees, every time that they keep throwing stuff
Speaker 3: at them, they're just reversing it. They're just continuously adapting.
Speaker 2: And Okay, I'm glad you said it. Like that because
Speaker 2: I'm thinking reverse evolutionary that makes me think of essentially
Speaker 2: it's survival of the fittest. That's how evolution works throughout
Speaker 2: the course of history. So with them trying to manipulate
Speaker 2: the genomes of these bees, it's like they're trying to
Speaker 2: work against evolution. But instead it's not that, it's that
Speaker 2: the bees are adapting in spite of what the humans
Speaker 2: are doing to them.
Speaker 3: Yes, wow, yep. So in so in twenty twenty and
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, there was a huge conversation about these
Speaker 3: bees in particular, and saying that there was ecosystem changes,
Speaker 3: soiled jamage and change animal loss, and it came down
Speaker 3: to GMO tech bees they've been trying to push versus
Speaker 3: the adaptation hybrids. The hybrids are continuously going to win.
Speaker 3: It's going to keep being They no longer can actually
Speaker 3: have that conversation because they try to make a new
Speaker 3: bee and they called it reconciled generation of the new bees.
Speaker 2: They didn't reconcile generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were like, hey, so we fucked up,
Speaker 3: and now we're going to acknowledge that we've done everything
Speaker 3: we could. We put laws into place, we've done protocols.
Speaker 3: We've tried to wipe them out. Nothing's working, so we're
Speaker 3: going to try this instead. California decided then that they
Speaker 3: were done trying to kill the bees, and instead they're
Speaker 3: going to try to live alongside the bees and figure
Speaker 3: out how to manage both types of bees, the natives
Speaker 3: and the hybrids, and use them to their advantage instead
Speaker 3: of what's killing them off.
Speaker 2: The problem a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: Then, Yes, So the problem that they're facing though is
Speaker 3: the pesticides company, because this is a billion dollar business,
Speaker 3: and now they're saying, hey, so we don't want you
Speaker 3: to use these pesticides anymore, because we're really trying not
Speaker 3: to kill off these bees. Because the pesticides that they
Speaker 3: were using was still killing the native bees. Sure like
Speaker 3: it wasn't just like somehow pinpointed just to the Africanized bees,
Speaker 3: because at that point, you're talking about seventy percent of
Speaker 3: the bees now have a mixed genome of having this
Speaker 3: African piece at least in them.
Speaker 2: But even still, like you were saying, even if they
Speaker 2: were using crazy harmful pesticides, the bees are finding a
Speaker 2: way to adapt and overcome regardless, Right.
Speaker 3: Yes, So the agricultural companies corporations have poured tons and
Speaker 3: tons of money into finding a genetic management or an
Speaker 3: artificial pollenization system or controlling breeding lines, and also biological data.
Speaker 3: They're trying to at least see, hey, should we make
Speaker 3: fake bees? Should we try to use fake systems into this?
Speaker 3: Can we manage these can we genetically manage these bees?
Speaker 3: Is there a way that we can breed them out?
Speaker 3: Kind of like what's his name, Bill Gates in his
Speaker 3: whole mosquito situation. Yeah, you know, the males not being
Speaker 3: able to carrying that gene and they're going to kill
Speaker 3: off the you know, they're only going to have males,
Speaker 3: so the population is going to die, that kind of
Speaker 3: genetic spicing situation.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, and we're going to get
Speaker 2: to the artificial systems here in a bit. We got
Speaker 2: a couple of articles and a couple of videos pulled
Speaker 2: up because what they're trying to do, as far as
Speaker 2: artificial pollinators go, is kind of mind blowing. It's impressive
Speaker 2: in one regard for the technological advancements of it. I'm
Speaker 2: able to at least give a nod to the impressiveness
Speaker 2: of it. But at the other end of the spectrum.
Speaker 2: They are absolutely trying to have a man versus nature conversation,
Speaker 2: even right now when it's clear we are never going
Speaker 2: to be able to replace the amount of work that
Speaker 2: bees do as far as making sure that we eat.
Speaker 2: So that being said, we were talking earlier about colin
Speaker 2: colonize the collapse of.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, was this the CCD?
Speaker 2: It is colony collapse disorder?
Speaker 3: Colony collapse disorder? God, I couldn't think of it either. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so this was something that took place, and it's an
Speaker 3: actual thing that happened in two thousand's I think I
Speaker 3: can't remember exactly when it started.
Speaker 2: So I got an article pulled up here. It's viruses
Speaker 2: one oh one. This is actually an article from twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: so I'll go ahead and read it now. It's not long.
Speaker 2: The past couple of years have not been good ones
Speaker 2: for honeybees. For reasons unknown. Honeybee colonies around the globe
Speaker 2: have experienced colony collapse disorder. With colony collapse disorder, thirty
Speaker 2: ninety percent of hives are lost. Adding to the honey
Speaker 2: bee's growing list of problems is a plant virus, tobacco
Speaker 2: ringspot virus which has been found in the bees. Astonishingly,
Speaker 2: the tobacco ringspot virus has accomplished a one point six
Speaker 2: billion year evolutionary hurdle from its original plant host to honeybees,
Speaker 2: according to a study published by the journal m Bio
Speaker 2: in January. Again, this is twenty fourteen. Honey Bees are
Speaker 2: crucial to humans food production. Roughly one out of every
Speaker 2: three mouthfuls in our diet is directly or indirectly connected
Speaker 2: to honeybee populations. If you like almonds, candalo, cucumbers, apples, berries,
Speaker 2: or honey, obviously honey, the declining population of bees is
Speaker 2: not good for your palate. In addition to all the
Speaker 2: foods that bees add to our diet, they also are
Speaker 2: responsible for an increased crop value of fifteen billion dollars
Speaker 2: per year. And again this is back ten years ago.
Speaker 2: That's probably exponentially more by this point. So talking about
Speaker 2: that tobacco ring spot virus, which is interesting. Tobacco ringspot
Speaker 2: viruses first recording the United States in nineteen forty one.
Speaker 2: The most devastating disease caused by the virus is bud
Speaker 2: blight of soybean, which reduce the yields of reduced yields
Speaker 2: twenty five by one hundred percent. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the number on that one is. I don't know yields
Speaker 2: twenty five. Okay. The virus isn't exclusive to tobacco plants.
Speaker 2: It can infect thirty five different families of plants, including tomatoes, cucumbers,
Speaker 2: and beans. Stunned growth, discoloration of leaves in a ring
Speaker 2: spot pattern, and even death are symptoms of the virus.
Speaker 2: Tobacco ringspot virus is an RNA virus, which may account
Speaker 2: for its evolutionary leap. Although RNA and DNA are both
Speaker 2: nucleic acids, their function differ. DNA is like a cookbook.
Speaker 2: It stores the recipe for making proteins. RNA is the
Speaker 2: messenger molecule that tells sells how to how to polymerase?
Speaker 2: What oh, how to make the proteins? Sorry, jump to
Speaker 2: sentence there tells the proteins. I'm sorry, tells the cells
Speaker 2: how to make the proteins. The enzyme that makes RNA
Speaker 2: by coping or copying DNA. RNA polymerase is not as
Speaker 2: thorough correcting errors as enzyme DNA polymerase, which replicates DNA. Therefore,
Speaker 2: RNA tends to contain more mistakes aka mutations than DNA
Speaker 2: in humans, A single strand of RNA has a very
Speaker 2: short lifespan, and any mutations are eliminated upon the RNA
Speaker 2: strands destruction. RNA viruses, on the other hand, are a
Speaker 2: whole other ballpark. Since the virus's genetic information is derived
Speaker 2: from RNA, mutations can have a major evolutionary impact on
Speaker 2: the viruses. Mutations are the driving force behind diversity, which
Speaker 2: leads to natural selection. RNA viruses have the greatest potential
Speaker 2: for host hopping, says the study, although it is a rare.
Speaker 2: Although it is rare for viruses to lead from host
Speaker 2: to host in different kingdoms, it is not unheard of.
Speaker 2: The rod Bivoridae family of viruses. Good god, okay, which
Speaker 2: include why didn't they just say that contains a few
Speaker 2: viruses that can infect both plants and animals. So jumping
Speaker 2: ahead here, It talks about the tobacco ring spot a
Speaker 2: little bit more. But how does that tie into the
Speaker 2: bees collapse? So let's see here the group. This group
Speaker 2: of scientists study the similarities and differences between the tobacco
Speaker 2: ring spot virus genes from honeybees, Varro destructor mites and plants.
Speaker 2: The viral genes from the bees and mites were closely related,
Speaker 2: suggesting that the mites were introduced to the virus through
Speaker 2: the bees. Evidence of tobacco ringspot virus was also identified
Speaker 2: in pollen stores in beehives. Tobacco ringspot virus presents presence
Speaker 2: doesn't automatically mean the virus causes bees harm. Thus, the
Speaker 2: same team of scientists monitored six strong and four weak
Speaker 2: bee hives for a year to determine if the virus
Speaker 2: is hazardous to bees. Other viruses through thought to contribute
Speaker 2: to colony collapse disorder were studied. Two higher concentrations of
Speaker 2: tobacco ringspot virus and the other viruses did in fact
Speaker 2: fortel colony collapse. Wow. So if you had a beehive
Speaker 2: that was pollinating a certain tobacco farm or field, and
Speaker 2: you could see that this ring spot virus is on
Speaker 2: the plants, you could almost predict that the bee hives
Speaker 2: were going to suffer from some sort of a colony
Speaker 2: collapse that way, that's fascinating. Still, so many questions remain
Speaker 2: with regards to tobacco ring spot virus. It is unknown
Speaker 2: whether the virus can survive in the bee population without
Speaker 2: periodical reintroductions. We now know that the plant virus can
Speaker 2: be spread to bees but can infect can but Jesus
Speaker 2: hold on can be spread to bees, but can infected
Speaker 2: bees transmit the virus to plants. Okay. Most importantly, the
Speaker 2: tobacco ring spot virus one of the causes of colony
Speaker 2: collapse disorder or merely brought on by a weakened population
Speaker 2: of honeybees more prone to viral infection. Switching from host
Speaker 2: to host is no small feet, especially when two hosts
Speaker 2: plants and bees are more than a billion evolutionary years apart.
Speaker 2: There are many different challenges a virus must face to
Speaker 2: make this jump. For example, a virus must first come
Speaker 2: into contact with its new hosts and figure out a
Speaker 2: mechanism of transmission between the new hosts. Tobacco ringspot virus
Speaker 2: is the first recorded plant virus to have been spread
Speaker 2: two honey bees through contaminated pollen. For the bee's sake,
Speaker 2: I sincerely hope the scientists can determine what causes colony
Speaker 2: collapse disorder and how to prevent it soon. Wow.
Speaker 3: So the disorder itself is characterized by a sudden and
Speaker 3: unexplained disappearance of worker bees from the hive, leaving behind
Speaker 3: the queen, young bees and small amounts of adults. It
Speaker 3: was happening in North America, Europe, Asia, the US had
Speaker 3: it the worst. And so what it means is is
Speaker 3: that the worker bees would go out to collect and
Speaker 3: they just never would come back, and so then they
Speaker 3: have the queen they're left with. I think she can
Speaker 3: lay one thousand eggs a day if I'm correct, and
Speaker 3: so she's there just chilling laying eggs, and then you
Speaker 3: have a few of the adults that are keeping track
Speaker 3: the baby ones, and then you just have the babies.
Speaker 3: So overall there is nothing. They would pretty much starve
Speaker 3: to death and they would just have nothing left. They
Speaker 3: would just leave and they would not come back. And
Speaker 3: then what happened. Then they can't fly forever, and then they
Speaker 3: have no hive, they have no queen, and so the
Speaker 3: bees would die and the hive would die itself.
Speaker 2: Okay, now that being said, I'm wondering if this might
Speaker 2: be a portion of the reason as well. Right, so
Speaker 2: toxic nectar or pollen. This is from the b MD,
Speaker 2: which I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know there were
Speaker 2: bee doctors, and not enough to make a whole page
Speaker 2: out of, but absolutely there are signs are indications difficult
Speaker 2: to diagnose. Excessive number of dead adult bees. Larvae are
Speaker 2: also off color, so given a description here. There are
Speaker 2: several plants that on occasion may cause poisoning to honey bees.
Speaker 2: The toxic chemicals are llo chemicals YEP, substances developed by
Speaker 2: the plants themselves to help the plant resist herbivory by
Speaker 2: insects or grazing livestocks. The dosage is important. A chemical
Speaker 2: toxin from a poisonous plant at a low dose maybe
Speaker 2: a food or a valuable medicine, while at a higher
Speaker 2: dose the same chemical can be deadly. Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2: The substance that is toxic to one organism may not
Speaker 2: be toxic to another. For example, Mountain laurel honey is
Speaker 2: poisonous to humans, but not to honeybees. I didn't know that, honestly,
Speaker 2: no idea that was the thing. Fair enough. Some species
Speaker 2: of buttercup and summer tete I don't know that, but
Speaker 2: it's also called leatherwood have toxic nectar, the latter causing
Speaker 2: purple brood. A swamp buttercup has nectar and pollen toxic
Speaker 2: to honeybees, though it is unclear if other types. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna try to pronounce that word. Buttercup species are toxic.
Speaker 2: Some other plants that show toxicity to bees include tansy
Speaker 2: ragwart linden, which is toxic sugar. Never heard of that,
Speaker 2: and milkweed, which additionally has polleny that stick to bees bodies,
Speaker 2: causing stress to foragers. Now that's an interesting point. Not
Speaker 2: to sidestep too far away from this article, but milkweed
Speaker 2: was something that we in Louisiana were told by the
Speaker 2: LSU AG Committee, which, for anybody who doesn't know, LSU
Speaker 2: is one of the largest brick and mortar schools in
Speaker 2: the state. Pretty much of the LSU AG Center says
Speaker 2: that there's something that needs to be done for the state.
Speaker 2: People listen, and they were telling people that we need
Speaker 2: to plant more milk weed in our gardens around our house,
Speaker 2: all these things, and they made it sound like it
Speaker 2: was to help the bee population. Then they realized that
Speaker 2: that is not the case, and I did a little
Speaker 2: more research into this. Milkweed is excellent for restoring butterfly populations.
Speaker 2: Right the nectar the butterflies use, but butterflies and bees
Speaker 2: have a very different pollenization method. For lack of better words,
Speaker 2: bees actually get stuck in the waxing nectar of the
Speaker 2: milkweed plants, and it actually decimates the bee population as
Speaker 2: opposed to helping the butterfly population. So the LSU Accenter
Speaker 2: just released an article not too terribly long ago talking
Speaker 2: about this. They then had to retract it. We tried
Speaker 2: finding the article for this conversation and it was just
Speaker 2: posted not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was supposed to like a week or two ago.
Speaker 3: I looked everywhere for it and I couldn't find it.
Speaker 3: I found the discussion about bees here for like specifically
Speaker 3: for Louisiana, but I couldn't find the milk weed conversation
Speaker 3: because I saw the headline read that milkweed was killing
Speaker 3: the bee population. Because I myself actually planted milkweed the
Speaker 3: last few years because I wanted to help the wooden
Speaker 3: when I was told by the Accenter, because you can
Speaker 3: actually they come to like fars and they come to
Speaker 3: a little pop up events and you can come and
Speaker 3: talk to the master gardeners and you can actually go
Speaker 3: there and talk to them. They were like, hey, plant
Speaker 3: this to help your garden out to help bring in
Speaker 3: the pollinators, and so I guess they weren't. They weren't
Speaker 3: specific enough for people, or when they said pollinators, I
Speaker 3: assumed it was for the bees themselves. So clearly it
Speaker 3: was killing off the bees, because I noticed a huge
Speaker 3: decline in bees coming around my gardens, and I thought,
Speaker 3: honestly it was the trucks, because down here we have
Speaker 3: these massive trucks that come by and they spray every
Speaker 3: night for mosquitoes. I personally believe that that there is
Speaker 3: a lot to be said about them spraying the chemicals
Speaker 3: and that it's actually impacting the pollin eaters, including the butterflies,
Speaker 3: and that maybe this was like one of those things
Speaker 3: of hey, we're doing this one thing to kill off
Speaker 3: this one invasive population of bugs, but now it's impacting
Speaker 3: the ones that we need. But I can't actually find
Speaker 3: the article about milkweed, So now it's like, do you
Speaker 3: plant some milk weed?
Speaker 5: Do you?
Speaker 3: Just not? From what I've read is that you should
Speaker 3: try to plant as many native flowers as possible, try
Speaker 3: not to cut your gardens at like your grass as
Speaker 3: much like my front yard for Halloween, we ha didn't
Speaker 3: cut it for like a whole month, and so there
Speaker 3: was actually a whole bunch of little purple flowers. I've
Speaker 3: seen more bees in the last week than i have
Speaker 3: in a long time out there eating because little the
Speaker 3: honey bees are ground dwellers, so they like to be
Speaker 3: around the lower plants instead of trying to like find
Speaker 3: them up in the air or anything like that. So
Speaker 3: those natural plants are helping increase the bees. Actually, there
Speaker 3: was a study done with that it takes over two
Speaker 3: years for the population of natural of native bees to
Speaker 3: recover in an area. Is as long as you stop
Speaker 3: spraying pesticides and you allow the natural plants to grow,
Speaker 3: it takes them over two years to even start to
Speaker 3: see an increase in the native bees locally. And it
Speaker 3: there's a lot to be said with the pesticide conversation
Speaker 3: and how that actually ties into the killing of the bees,
Speaker 3: And there's a whole argument. You read something about how
Speaker 3: pesticides are better.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually have a video we're going to play
Speaker 2: here in a bit, which and I think there is
Speaker 2: something to be said for that. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this is a standard rule across the board. Depending on
Speaker 2: the type of pesticides or spraying, for sure, and how
Speaker 2: concentrated it is, right, But if you look at what
Speaker 2: farmers are spraying on their crops in the sixties as
Speaker 2: opposed to what farmers are spraying on their crops now.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to say, oh, well, these pesticides
Speaker 2: are good for you. I'm not saying that. What I
Speaker 2: am saying is that they are more engineered to go
Speaker 2: after a specific insect rather than just killing. It's more
Speaker 2: like a sniper rifle around as opposed to a grenade. Right,
Speaker 2: It's more like a personalized letter as opposed to a
Speaker 2: to whom it may concern kind of thing.
Speaker 3: The problem isn't that. The problem is if they're systemic
Speaker 3: or non systemic. So non systemic pesticides, for people that
Speaker 3: don't know, are the topic the ones that you can
Speaker 3: buy like round up at the store and you spray
Speaker 3: them on in their water soluble so they can rinse
Speaker 3: off your placelants, so they're not actually inside the DNA
Speaker 3: makeup themselves of the plant. The systemic ones are actually
Speaker 3: starting at the seeds, so they're already inside and they're growing.
Speaker 3: They're going to be so like if you go to
Speaker 3: home depot and buy some of the plants for your garden.
Speaker 3: For example, you will have a seed now that's been
Speaker 3: genetically modified a lot of times. You can actually see
Speaker 3: them on the packages they will say genetically modified or not.
Speaker 3: You will see that those seeds actually have systemic pesticides
Speaker 3: inside of them already, and they're in dirt that have pesticides,
Speaker 3: and they've been sprayed with pesticides as well. So as
Speaker 3: these plants are growing, you're now having the entirety of
Speaker 3: the plant, every part of it is now impacted and
Speaker 3: infected with some type of pesticide. So now it's a
Speaker 3: huge effect of everything about this plant is going to
Speaker 3: affect everybody and everything that touches it. So anything that's
Speaker 3: ingesting this plant is now going to have residual pesticides
Speaker 3: of some type. And as that transfers over to us
Speaker 3: as people, because now we're eating lettuce, for example, that
Speaker 3: the seed itself is been made with pesticides, it's growing
Speaker 3: in pestides, it's being sprayed with pesticides. Nothing we can do,
Speaker 3: no matter how organic quote unquote it is, is going
Speaker 3: to be it's going to still have these pesticides, which
Speaker 3: is impacting us. It's impacting birds, it's impacting the insects,
Speaker 3: it's impacting everybody. Yes, there are definite insects that are
Speaker 3: killing other bugs, like the MTE that we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about. But is it worth doing the systemic pesticides.
Speaker 3: I wonder because it's a natural the bioaccumulation effect where
Speaker 3: it's continuously accumulating and over time, how are we even
Speaker 3: getting seeds that haven't been genetically modified at some point.
Speaker 3: There's actually a book that I have that this company
Speaker 3: has been in America for a long long time. They
Speaker 3: actually started overseas and then came to America. It's a
Speaker 3: one hundred years and you can buy all these different
Speaker 3: type of seeds from around the world from them, and
Speaker 3: they trace back where the seeds are from and if
Speaker 3: they've been messed with at any point that they can see,
Speaker 3: and they try to keep them as clean as possible.
Speaker 3: And you can actually buy You can buy ladybugs from them,
Speaker 3: you can buy mason bees from them, you can buy
Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff from this company.
Speaker 2: Wow. Now with that being said, and we were talking
Speaker 2: about how the spray trucks right the mosquito trucks in Louisiana,
Speaker 2: which as far back as I can remember. That's the
Speaker 2: thing that we've had now. Granted some years we see
Speaker 2: more than others. Very true, and I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we were just kind of told growing up like yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not going to hurt you, but also like don't
Speaker 2: ride your bike behind the truck and just breed that
Speaker 2: shit in. I'm not going to say if we ever
Speaker 2: did that or not. Just besides the point, we're all
Speaker 2: just trying to catch cancer out here, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But cancer alleys, indeed we are, praise God.
Speaker 2: But beside the point, So with the milkweed conversation, I
Speaker 2: will ask you this too. So the monarch butterfly is
Speaker 2: endangered in this area. It is, but I've also seen
Speaker 2: more more recently than I've ever seen in my entire
Speaker 2: life living here.
Speaker 3: I've lived here eleven years, and I will say that
Speaker 3: I've seen a definite increase in monarchs this year than
Speaker 3: the last five six years, which is great. Like this,
Speaker 3: this is an awesome thing. I'm just wondering if if
Speaker 3: this is one of those things of like, hey, here's
Speaker 3: we're saving the butterflies.
Speaker 2: But screw the bees, like you know, and I'm wondering
Speaker 2: if they even realized that it was going to play
Speaker 2: out that way. So when that's trying to promote to people, hey,
Speaker 2: plant more milk weed in your gardens and all these things,
Speaker 2: they were looking at it for trying to save an
Speaker 2: endangered species, right, which very well could be. And who
Speaker 2: can argue against that. Nobody. Nobody has beef with butterflies.
Speaker 3: I think everyone loves butterflies.
Speaker 2: Everyone loves it. And even if you don't love them,
Speaker 2: you don't hate them by any means. Bees, on the
Speaker 2: other hand, because they can't sting you, there is already
Speaker 2: a negative stigmatism surrounding them. Never mind the fact that
Speaker 2: bees are not going to fuck with you unless you
Speaker 2: are going out of your way to fuck with them.
Speaker 3: Mason bees actually don't sing, and they're really good to
Speaker 3: have in your garden. They're the ones that you make
Speaker 3: those little tiny bee boxes for that have little circles
Speaker 3: like you can make all different kinds of stuff and
Speaker 3: you can put it up on the on anywhere in
Speaker 3: your garden. They won't sing. They help pollinate. They're not
Speaker 3: as effective as honey bees, or you're not making honey
Speaker 3: quote quote, but they're pollinating.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: I've looked into getting them a couple times.
Speaker 2: Okay, so all right, So continuing back with the article,
Speaker 2: here says rhododundron is poisonous to bees and humans. It
Speaker 2: contains an androme androme doc toxin, andrama doc toxin andrameda toxin.
Speaker 2: That's a thing. Oh my god. Okay, yeah, it contains
Speaker 2: an andromeda toxin. Mountain little also contains an androma to
Speaker 2: toxin that can poison humans. California buckeye annually causes the
Speaker 2: losses of bee honey bee colonies throughout its range on
Speaker 2: the western slopes of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. In California,
Speaker 2: yellow jasmine can poison humans who might eat honey made
Speaker 2: from this plant. WHOA didn't know that did not? Bees
Speaker 2: forging on the flowers of yellow jasmine appear intoxicated, become paralyzed,
Speaker 2: and die. Yellow jasmine has been reported to cause periodic,
Speaker 2: periodic poisoning of bees from Florida to Texas.
Speaker 3: Wow, did you know that Florida is actually one of
Speaker 3: the places where they have a lot of the bees
Speaker 3: that they transport to California from. It's one of the
Speaker 3: nesting areas during the winter.
Speaker 2: I can honestly say that never occurred to me, I
Speaker 2: didn't think California got cold enough to where they would
Speaker 2: need to have like, like it would make sense if
Speaker 2: you're trying to like improve the bee population of Montana, right,
Speaker 2: so you would go for bees that came from a
Speaker 2: warmer climate to try to like boost the population in
Speaker 2: some cold ass place California. They're Florida bees. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: California transports in millions and millions of bees every year
Speaker 3: for the for the almonds.
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
Speaker 3: Every single year. Yeah, they buy them. And so the
Speaker 3: commercial bee situation is what the whole conversation will eventually
Speaker 3: lead to. But that's they get them from certain states
Speaker 3: in the country.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, learn something new every day. But okay, so
Speaker 2: this is again, this is kind of talking about some
Speaker 2: of the more potentially natural reasons why beehive collapse disorder
Speaker 2: might be a thing. Right. Sometimes it's because these bees
Speaker 2: got into some toxic nectar or pollen that they brought
Speaker 2: back to their hive, made poisonous honey with, and then
Speaker 2: they tried eating off of it and the entire hive dies. Now,
Speaker 2: you would think that these bees that have been around
Speaker 2: for over a billion years would have enough of the
Speaker 2: built in senses to know, hey, wait a minute, that's
Speaker 2: not the right smell. I shouldn't bring that pollen back.
Speaker 2: But apparently it still happens to such a level to
Speaker 2: where sometimes the entire hive can die as a result.
Speaker 3: So do you remember a couple of years ago where
Speaker 3: there was a whole bunch of raids on honey on
Speaker 3: honeybee hives, right, I just I just thought about this.
Speaker 3: There was a whole bunch of videos showing of people
Speaker 3: going to honeybee farms and like purposely destroying them, throwing
Speaker 3: them in the There was a video, a really good
Speaker 3: video of there was this one the whole colony was
Speaker 3: thrown out into the water and you see them trying
Speaker 3: their best to save the queen, and oh, it was
Speaker 3: really sad. Actually, I felt really bad for the person
Speaker 3: because like all of their hives were destroyed by somebody
Speaker 3: came in and decided I'm going to burn and destroy
Speaker 3: all these hives in the middle of the night. And
Speaker 3: it was a big thing. It was like two or
Speaker 3: three years ago. It was this weird thing that just
Speaker 3: happened with people. But they burn them, they destroyed them,
Speaker 3: they drown them, Like, I don't understand why you would
Speaker 3: go after honey bees.
Speaker 2: But okay, because I think to most people, a bee
Speaker 2: is a bee is a bee, and they only see
Speaker 2: it as the thing that swarms and stings them, and
Speaker 2: they don't realize how important they actually are to our ecosystem.
Speaker 2: And I could understand that as far as the ignorance goes.
Speaker 2: But going out of way in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night to try to destroy another person's property, like, I
Speaker 2: don't I can't speak to all states. But go ahead
Speaker 2: and go on to a farmer in Louisiana's land and
Speaker 2: go try to fuck with his bees that is a
Speaker 2: lynchpin in his livelihood. You're gonna get your ass shot.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I do like that bees. So if they pollinate different areas,
Speaker 3: they taste the honey taste different. That's my favorite thing,
Speaker 3: how you can like And they have it all labeled
Speaker 3: wildflower bees or wildfow honey or this kind of honey. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love the different tastes of honey.
Speaker 2: So a guy that I go and retreat with every year,
Speaker 2: he runs this place called Ka Kai Farm, which, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's great. He was a pilot, And I forget the
Speaker 2: type of helicopter he was piloting. But essentially it's like
Speaker 2: the army's version of a cobra. I don't know what
Speaker 2: their version of it is. But long story short, he
Speaker 2: has all kinds of physical issues because of the amount
Speaker 2: of explosions, Like the rockets were literally next to him,
Speaker 2: not like down by the bottom of the craft. Bind
Speaker 2: means like next to the cockpit, and every time one
Speaker 2: went off, it was like explosions going off next to him.
Speaker 2: He has all kinds of equilibrium issues now, all these things.
Speaker 2: So he was on like thirteen different types of medication
Speaker 2: from the VA. So we started looking at more holistic
Speaker 2: approaches and he found the magic of the elderberry and
Speaker 2: so he decided to pour all of his resources into
Speaker 2: his elderberry farm. So he does elderberries and blueberries, which
Speaker 2: is excellent. He started he kept beehives there to help
Speaker 2: the pollination of his plants, and then it ended up
Speaker 2: that the bee hives were making him more money than
Speaker 2: the berries were. So he's just doing it all the
Speaker 2: way through. I have tried his elderberry and blueberry whipped
Speaker 2: honeyes because he brings cases of them to the retreat
Speaker 2: house whenever he comes with us. I want to get
Speaker 2: him on the show here soon. But it is that's
Speaker 2: the best honey I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 3: I love Elderberry. Shut well, I know, I actually don't have.
Speaker 3: We used to make jokes about the Elderberry distributor like this.
Speaker 3: One person would come in and bring cases. You'd order
Speaker 3: ahead of time, and they would make the batches and
Speaker 3: you had to pay up front. And they would come
Speaker 3: in and my girl Lauren, she'd be like, Hey, how
Speaker 3: much do you want? And I was like, this is
Speaker 3: like a drug deal for Elderberry. But that shit is
Speaker 3: so amazing. Everyone else around us was sick all the time,
Speaker 3: and we would be chugging this stuff. And when people
Speaker 3: would get sick around us, or the kids would get sick,
Speaker 3: and then you just hear drink Elderberry non stop. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be done with that in like a day
Speaker 3: or two.
Speaker 2: Really a miracle fruit, miracle berry, I should say, And
Speaker 2: not enough people know about it. And you're right, it's
Speaker 2: almost like a drug deal at that point, because I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's like trying to take out Big Pharma,
Speaker 2: although in a certain regard I think it is, but
Speaker 2: that's not this conversation, but agreed, agreed, fuck big pharma.
Speaker 2: But there's not enough people that are growing it on
Speaker 2: such a mask. Go, it's not something you're gonna like
Speaker 2: find in the stores, right. If you do, it'll be
Speaker 2: something that has been heavily processed and might have elderberry flavorings,
Speaker 2: but it's not gonna be like pure elderberry juice or
Speaker 2: jam or whatever.
Speaker 3: The case is down the street sells it actually, really
Speaker 3: yeah right, really they sell that. A little old lady
Speaker 3: actually got them to start carrying it. She only has
Speaker 3: about like six of them in there at a time,
Speaker 3: but she sells them in batches, but in batches, in batches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's legit. See Ralph's for anybody who doesn't know,
Speaker 2: it's a little mom and pop shop that's not too
Speaker 2: far from us. There's like Ralph's chains and everything that's
Speaker 2: not this. This is a family owned and operated thing.
Speaker 2: They only have two locations period.
Speaker 3: It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: That is amazing. I didn't know that, but yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the thing. It's something that is it's either very seasonal
Speaker 2: or it's very small batch. So it kind of gets
Speaker 2: to that point to where it's like, yo, how many
Speaker 2: cases do you want like, I gotta you gotta pay
Speaker 2: up front. I need to know now because if you
Speaker 2: don't order it, I got fifteen people on my phone
Speaker 2: that will be ordering. Like you know it's She would.
Speaker 3: Drive four hours to come down here to bring it
Speaker 3: to us, and so I'd buy the big, big jars
Speaker 3: of it. I would buy four or five of the
Speaker 3: amount of time just to stock up. And then unfortunately
Speaker 3: she stopped making it, and I found somebody that's about
Speaker 3: an hour away from here that started making it. And
Speaker 3: I tried the stuff, and honestly, it's not the same.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know why, but like their stuff
Speaker 3: isn't as concentrated I feel like. And it did okay,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't the same as taking that lady.
Speaker 2: Is that we did no, I believe you. Although I
Speaker 2: do have that plug. And you know what, I don't
Speaker 2: mind giving this guy a shout out because A he's
Speaker 2: a homie and B I love his product, So cock
Speaker 2: Eyed Farms. Anybody who's curious go check them out. That'd
Speaker 2: be my homeboy. Well, Louren Brow is the wife Brandon bro.
Speaker 2: He's the farmer that does it. Elderberry blueberry whipped honey,
Speaker 2: it is so fucking good. But then also the elderberry
Speaker 2: juice and everything else that he has on his farm phenomenal.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so he's a Louisiana based farmer. We talked
Speaker 2: about him a couple of episodes ago, as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, when we were talking with the Laughing Buddha Nursery, which,
Speaker 2: believe it or not, I don't know if you, well, no,
Speaker 2: you weren't on the episode for that one, but it
Speaker 2: was a guy who my brother in law is friends
Speaker 2: with him through just the farming community, and he was
Speaker 2: telling me about his whole setup. Today, as I was
Speaker 2: leaving a meeting that I had in New Orleans, I
Speaker 2: found myself outside of his nursery that he started before
Speaker 2: he started his homestead farm situation, and it's still operating
Speaker 2: in metaury and I'm just like the world just keeps getting.
Speaker 3: Smaller, smaller every time every time. He actually has a
Speaker 3: phone number. If anybody wanted to contact Brandon, it's two
Speaker 3: two five eight zero six eight nine three one, or
Speaker 3: you can email them at Brandon Brandon Atcockeyedefarms dot com
Speaker 3: and I'm sure you can reach out and see if
Speaker 3: he actually is able to deliver.
Speaker 2: They have a web from mistake. Excuse me, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you could go online. It's www dot Cockeyedefarms dot com.
Speaker 2: Order some of his shit. It's amazing, it's so good anyway,
Speaker 2: all right, So back back to the point, right, the
Speaker 2: Elderberry's and the honey. Back to the bee conversation. Now,
Speaker 2: another thing that we had brought up earlier, the destructor
Speaker 2: mites that they have, the vero veroa veroa mites. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get that word right. These things are a it's
Speaker 2: basically a plague on the bee population. And I don't
Speaker 2: believe that this was manufactured by humans or anything like that. However,
Speaker 2: there is laboratories that are genetically modifying bees to be
Speaker 2: able to fight back against these things. But this is
Speaker 2: another issue that has led to the colony collapse disorder,
Speaker 2: because you got to understand, colony collapse disorder is something
Speaker 2: that they can't pinpoint an exact reason for it. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of hypotheticals, but it's almost like a sudden
Speaker 2: infinite death syndrome, right Like, there's a long list of
Speaker 2: hypothetical reasons for why this is happening, but it's also
Speaker 2: very possible it's like ten different possible options. So the
Speaker 2: colony collapse disorder. One thing that they're finding is the
Speaker 2: verroamites within some of these hives that is leading to
Speaker 2: the mass destruction. So we're gonna get into this article.
Speaker 2: We're not going to read the entire thing because it
Speaker 2: is quite lengthy, but that's fine. That's fine. That's what
Speaker 2: we're here for. Honey bees learn to fight deadly verroamites.
Speaker 2: In the face of colony collapse, some beekeepers are foregoing
Speaker 2: insecticides and opting instead to breed bees with mite resistant behaviors.
Speaker 2: Let's dive into it here. So the rise of the
Speaker 2: resistant bees. Since the mid nineteen nineties, researchers and beekeep
Speaker 2: have observed mite resistance in several wild and domestic bee populations.
Speaker 2: More recently, scientists have linked it to a set of
Speaker 2: behavioral behaviors collectively known as baroa sensitive hygiene or VISH.
Speaker 2: These behaviors include cleaning and removing larva in parasited or
Speaker 2: parasiteized cells, removing adult mites from the bodies of adult
Speaker 2: bees with a grooming behavior, and uncapping and recapping infested
Speaker 2: brood cells, which may disrupt the mite's life cycle with
Speaker 2: Asian honeybees. Or While Asian honey bees had hundreds of
Speaker 2: years to adapt to the mites, scientists have found that
Speaker 2: it might not take that long for bees to develop
Speaker 2: a natural resistance behaviors. A decade ago, a group of
Speaker 2: scientists started taking a hard look at samples of wild
Speaker 2: bees collected around Ithaca, New York from nineteen seventy seven
Speaker 2: to twenty ten, a period which conveniently spans the introduction
Speaker 2: of the varoa to the US. Conveniently, indeed, you know,
Speaker 2: but okay.
Speaker 3: Just conveniently, we just centered do something that kills off
Speaker 3: the bees.
Speaker 2: Right conveniently when we're trying to push for less of
Speaker 2: a bee population, and this might just happens to get
Speaker 2: introduced is around the same time that this organization started
Speaker 2: heavily watching the bees. Interesting how that ties together, But anyway,
Speaker 2: they found that when veroa was first introduced, the population
Speaker 2: of wild bees plummeted, but they didn't go extinct. In
Speaker 2: response to this new pressure, the bees adapted. The scientists
Speaker 2: found that by twenty ten, these wild bees exhibited two
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two genetic changes. Holy crap, So from
Speaker 2: seventy seven to twenty ten, so a little over forty years,
Speaker 2: they are already showing developmental changes two hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: two genetic changes. While scientists don't fully understand the consequences
Speaker 2: of these changes, they were also able to determine that
Speaker 2: about half were related to pupil development, a key period
Speaker 2: for the mites and the bees, because the mites breed
Speaker 2: in the brood cells that house the bee larvae as
Speaker 2: they developed into pus pewpe pupa, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Scientists also found genetic changes related to B dopamine receptors,
Speaker 2: body shape, and wing size. While these adaptations require further research,
Speaker 2: they have hypathestized hypothesized Jesus that the changes in dopamine
Speaker 2: receptors encouraged grooming, so bee keepers breed to fight the mites.
Speaker 2: Many bee keepers are now watching their hives closely for
Speaker 2: these behaviors. The b Monks in West Virginia, for instance,
Speaker 2: open their hives once a month from May to October
Speaker 2: to do a veroa might count. By observing the bees,
Speaker 2: they can sometimes catch glimpses of vsh behaviors like grooming
Speaker 2: in action, but the real data comes from the might counts.
Speaker 2: In Vermont Troy Hall of Hall apiaries, which an apiary
Speaker 2: is a spot where there's tons of beehives, essentially opens
Speaker 2: hives in the field during the summer and examines the
Speaker 2: pupa in To measure vs H. He looks to at
Speaker 2: the percentage of reproductive mites, those with mites, and non
Speaker 2: reproductive mits in the brute, because colonies with VSH traits
Speaker 2: will remove pupe with reproductive mits and ignore non reproductive mits.
Speaker 2: The higher the percentage of infected cells with non reproductive mits,
Speaker 2: the more VSH traits the colony displays. Hall uses the
Speaker 2: colonies with high levels VSH traits to breed new generations
Speaker 2: of bees for his apiary. Hall began raising mite resistant
Speaker 2: bees around twenty years ago and was skeptical of traditional
Speaker 2: treatments like amatraz from the start. Early on, he said,
Speaker 2: I decided it would be best to develop systems of
Speaker 2: management that would be good for the future. The earlier
Speaker 2: years were tough. When he started with around one hundred hives,
Speaker 2: there wasn't much advice available for beekeepers looking to take
Speaker 2: on this journey. We had no real way to measure resistance,
Speaker 2: he said. The only logical way was just to withhold treatment.
Speaker 2: It was simple. Those who survived were bred. No one
Speaker 2: was sharing methods or success at the time. We all
Speaker 2: had to be our own trailblazers. For many small beekeepers,
Speaker 2: that's still the breeding method in Pennsylvania. Michael Scott. Michael Scott,
Speaker 2: of course, who's that the office and beside the point,
Speaker 2: who goes by? The renaissance beekeeper doesn't monitor for VSH,
Speaker 2: but he does carefully select his bees. His most successful
Speaker 2: b yard started with a few untreated hives that survived
Speaker 2: when all others failed. He still adds to his b yard,
Speaker 2: but only with colonies that survive into their second season.
Speaker 2: Dennis Fletcher, a hobbyist beekeeper and retired operating nurse in Kentucky,
Speaker 2: believes that one of the keys to good beekeeping is
Speaker 2: being open minded. After researching VSH, she spotted signs of
Speaker 2: it in her own hives, but these days, she says,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty hands off. Fletcher isn't up for the kind
Speaker 2: of frequent monitoring that hall and be monks perform. Instead,
Speaker 2: she is experimenting with time oregano and wintergreen essential oils,
Speaker 2: which may be effective in killing varoomites and reducing disease issues. Wow,
Speaker 2: so Anyway, Like I said, the article is quite long
Speaker 2: and we do not have to read the entire thing,
Speaker 2: but basically, these mites are a real problem for bees
Speaker 2: and bee hives, and now they're starting to find ways
Speaker 2: of fixing it genetically within the bees. Actually, speaking of
Speaker 2: we have an a little video pulled up here that's
Speaker 2: going to give a better deep dive into the vera
Speaker 2: mic conversation. Again, for anybody that wants to see this,
Speaker 2: please come to patreon dot com slash call it the
Speaker 2: Conspiracy Podcast link in the description below to see what
Speaker 2: the hell we are talking about rather than just hear
Speaker 2: it without further ado. Let's learn more about these mites
Speaker 2: that might be causing the destruction of so many beehives.
Speaker 1: Here's a go to recipe for bee keepers. It's called
Speaker 1: a sugar shake. Take a half cup of bees that's
Speaker 1: about three hundred, Put them in a jar and cover
Speaker 1: them with a mesh lid. Add two tablespoons confectioner sugar.
Speaker 1: Shake for thirty seconds. We're going for a nice even coat.
Speaker 1: Empty the sugar onto a tray and there you have it. Frosted.
Speaker 1: Varroa mites aka Varroa destructor. They're a honeybee's worst enemy.
Speaker 1: The fine powdered sugar made them lose the grip they
Speaker 1: had on their hosts. A minute ago. The mites were
Speaker 1: on the bees in the hive. It's as if you
Speaker 1: were carrying around a tick the size of a dinner plate.
Speaker 1: Every year, up to half the managed honey beehives in
Speaker 1: the United States die from hazards like pesticide exposure, lack
Speaker 1: of flowers to forage on year round, and Varroa mites.
Speaker 3: To feed.
Speaker 1: Averroa mite nestle between the bees protective plates. It digs
Speaker 1: in with its gnarly mouth, the nathosoma. The mite sinks
Speaker 1: it into a crucial organ called the fat body. It's
Speaker 1: a layer of tissue that lines the abdomen, sort of
Speaker 1: like the human liver. The fat body helps the bee
Speaker 1: break down harmful stuff, including pesticides, and it maintains the
Speaker 1: bee's immune system, so when verroamites attack the fat body,
Speaker 1: they seriously weaken the bee. The mites can also transmit
Speaker 1: a virus that causes a bee to be born with
Speaker 1: deformed wings no good for flying. Let's go back to
Speaker 1: the sugar shake. Beekeepers use them to monitor the verroamites
Speaker 1: in their hives. As few as three mites per half
Speaker 1: cup of bees could kill a hive within them year.
Speaker 1: That's because varroamites are great at sneaking into hives, hiding,
Speaker 1: and reproducing like mad. The first mite gets into a
Speaker 1: hive by hitching a ride on a bee from another colony.
Speaker 1: Maybe the bee's own colony wasn't doing well and it
Speaker 1: was looking for a new home. The mite sniffs around
Speaker 1: for a bee larva and sneaks in right before the
Speaker 1: bees cover the cell with wax. The defenseless larva is
Speaker 1: now trapped with its enemy, which begins to feed. As
Speaker 1: the larva grows into a pupa, the mite, called a foundress,
Speaker 1: starts her family. Take a look underneath this bee pupa.
Speaker 1: The mite's firstborn is all always a son. The rest
Speaker 1: are daughters. They're hard to tell a part when they're young.
Speaker 1: When the siblings come of age inside the cell, they'll
Speaker 1: meet up on this pile of mite poop. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: guided by the scent and they'll mate with each other.
Speaker 1: Sometimes two foundresses make it into a cell, then.
Speaker 3: Their offspring get to mate with someone there.
Speaker 1: Not related to The mites live off the bee puopa,
Speaker 1: but they don't kill it. When the bee is all
Speaker 1: grown up, it choose its way out of the cell.
Speaker 1: The mite slips onto its next victim. So why don't
Speaker 1: the bees just pick those mites off themselves. Well, we
Speaker 1: didn't start seeing veroamites in the US until the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: They evolved on eastern honeybees in Asia. That's why the
Speaker 1: western honeybees in the Americas and Europe aren't yet good
Speaker 1: at defending against them. When bee keepers find mites in
Speaker 1: a sugar shake, they treat a hive with pesticide strips
Speaker 1: that kill the mites, But mites are becoming resistant, so
Speaker 1: researchers are selectively breeding honeybees to fight back. The US
Speaker 1: Department of Agriculture and private companies are breeding bees that
Speaker 1: can sniff out veroamites. When the bees find some, they
Speaker 1: uncap the cells and interrupt reproduction. The bees then recycle
Speaker 1: the unlucky PUPA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're eating it.
Speaker 1: At Purdue and Central State Universe Cities, scientists breed honeybees
Speaker 1: known as mite biters. After collecting sperm from a mail bee,
Speaker 1: they inseminate a queen. Both the queen and the male
Speaker 1: come from colonies that are particularly good at killing mites
Speaker 1: by chewing off their legs. It's a grisly end for
Speaker 1: these tormentors and just maybe a fair shake for the honeybees.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we learned a little bit about the mites there,
Speaker 2: and now that there are laboratories, they're actually genetically breeding
Speaker 2: bees in order to eat the mites or at least
Speaker 2: eat their legs to where they're unable to move around
Speaker 2: and reproduce. In all of these things, so it's even
Speaker 2: further showing that nature versus you know, science on this
Speaker 2: in certain cases, scientists are helping nature to fight and
Speaker 2: defend itself. I agree that seems to be doing well, but.
Speaker 3: They were already mutating on their own two hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty two times in forty years. Is in scene to
Speaker 3: mutate all on their own, but then increasing that to
Speaker 3: help fight this off. Hopefully that will at least eliminate
Speaker 3: these stupid mites that were introduced to them.
Speaker 2: Which and again, this is not the only reason why
Speaker 2: colony collapse disorder is happening, although it is a reason
Speaker 2: why it has happened. But I also want to point
Speaker 2: out that she brought up a very good point the
Speaker 2: narrator there this was she said, half of the managed
Speaker 2: bee hives that go down go down because of these
Speaker 2: mites and things like this. But again the very critical
Speaker 2: statement there managed hives. And I feel like that's a
Speaker 2: point that a lot of people are missing whenever they're
Speaker 2: talking about how so many bees are endangered right now
Speaker 2: and all these hives and they're collapsing and all this.
Speaker 2: We don't have any record of hives in the wild
Speaker 2: going down like this. It seems to be only managed
Speaker 2: hives that are in the real mix of the conversation.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are certain hives in nature that also
Speaker 2: get disrupted from a litany of sources. Sure, but it's
Speaker 2: not as much of as what we see with managed tives.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that they're tracking the managed hives more closely.
Speaker 3: They're monitoring instead of I don't know specifically, if they're
Speaker 3: out and doing management of the local you know, beehive population,
Speaker 3: but you'd have to find all the hives and then
Speaker 3: continuously monitor them. They did have this cute little camera
Speaker 3: that they put on bees. It's like a little tracking thing.
Speaker 3: They capture the bee and they put it on the
Speaker 3: bean and this a little tiny monitoring theod go pro. Yeah,
Speaker 3: pretty much. It's like a little grow put and go pro.
Speaker 3: Wow my words, I got words now? Are I know?
Speaker 3: But yeah, it follows them all around and where they
Speaker 3: go in the flight patterns because they they track them
Speaker 3: just like they do with sharks. They they track their
Speaker 3: flight patterns and trying to see where all the bees
Speaker 3: are going and what they're doing and where they're collecting
Speaker 3: and if what they're if the areas are that collecting in,
Speaker 3: what is what is the environmental factors that are causing
Speaker 3: issues within the hives? Is there any does it change
Speaker 3: the way that the the honey is and what does
Speaker 3: it tastes like and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, so all of this to be said, CCD
Speaker 2: is an issue. But talking about the conspiratorial side of things,
Speaker 2: there is some there's some rather interesting and in my opinion,
Speaker 2: some funny possible conspiracies surrounding the bag population. Uh. Some
Speaker 2: are even suggesting that they might be tied to aliens,
Speaker 2: which is great, that's that's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: There's two actual conspiracies with aliens. One is that aliens
Speaker 3: are taking bees. So the bees that are just disappearing
Speaker 3: from CCD that they just you know, wherever they go to,
Speaker 3: it's actually aliens that are coming and taking them to
Speaker 3: experiment them, experiment on them, or use them for some purpose.
Speaker 2: Using to pollinate their planets basically.
Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean they've been around since Crestaceous, thank you word,
Speaker 3: or the Cretaceous.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Crestaceous is like crabs and tripp Cretaceous period.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been around since then, So.
Speaker 2: There also might be some to be said for that
Speaker 2: if aliens are at In case they are real in
Speaker 2: this conversation, let's just assume that that's a statement that's real.
Speaker 2: And if they were to come to Earth and find
Speaker 2: the hardest working organism that we have on this planet,
Speaker 2: it would make sense that they would just snatch up
Speaker 2: whole hives of bees.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's a super organism. How bees are
Speaker 3: and how they're interconnected, and how they work with each other,
Speaker 3: and the hive mindset and all this stuff. It's crazy
Speaker 3: in and of itself. How they adapt genetically they're built
Speaker 3: for their jobs is crazy that they actually have that
Speaker 3: already pre program into them. So I guess, in a sense,
Speaker 3: if I was an alien, I would be looking for
Speaker 3: something that could potentially save my planet or help in
Speaker 3: some way also, you would definitely be it.
Speaker 2: They say that aliens might have a hive mind in
Speaker 2: and of themselves, so that might also speak to that language,
Speaker 2: so to speak.
Speaker 3: So the other conspiracy is that honeybees are actually alien
Speaker 3: secret agents.
Speaker 2: Okay, go there.
Speaker 3: And because so, honey bees actually see colors differently than us,
Speaker 3: like completely differently than how we see color, and they
Speaker 3: can also they also see polarized light, they sense electric fields,
Speaker 3: and they have a magnetic sensitivity to the Earth's magne
Speaker 3: field in and of itself. So the theory is is
Speaker 3: that they are like super soldier, sneaky flying around, I guess,
Speaker 3: keeping track of all of us. I try to find
Speaker 3: a lot of information into this, and I couldn't find
Speaker 3: a bunch. But it was actually written in one of
Speaker 3: these big articles that was produced by a b group
Speaker 3: and it was kind of just going over talking about
Speaker 3: different conspiracies and it highlighted both of them. And I
Speaker 3: was surprised that they actually discussed aliens with bees. But
Speaker 3: then I found a small podcast talked about it on YouTube.
Speaker 3: It was like a minute long video. But they're like, yep, nope,
Speaker 3: bees are definitely connected to aliens. And they're being used
Speaker 3: for nefarious purposes to be to track us and record back.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, why would bees, of all people, all
Speaker 3: the different things, why would bees be? But apparently bees
Speaker 3: and aliens are a vibe, ah, a.
Speaker 2: Vibe because they both speak with vibration. I love it,
Speaker 2: And I don't know what you might be thinking, good
Speaker 2: cult member listening. Wait a minute, bees couldn't survive in space.
Speaker 2: That's not how that works whatsoever? What hell o contrere
Speaker 2: mon frere. As a matter of fact, NASA didn't experiment
Speaker 2: where they sent bees into space to see how they
Speaker 2: would act in a sub gravity or minimal gravity situation.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of different reasons to why they may
Speaker 2: have done this. One of them would be that if
Speaker 2: we are going to colonize Mars or colonize any planet whatsoever,
Speaker 2: we're going to need fruits and vegetables on that planet
Speaker 2: that we can grow in order to sustain ourselves. And
Speaker 2: if you are growing these types of things, you're going
Speaker 2: to need bees. This is the way it works. So
Speaker 2: let's get into it. Here it says bees in space.
Speaker 2: This is from science Iowa. Let's talk about it. Make
Speaker 2: no mistake about it. Humanity has set its sights on
Speaker 2: sending people to Mars. However, there are countless challenges to overcome.
Speaker 2: How will they get there, they safely land, how will
Speaker 2: they stay safe from the harsh Martian environment? And what
Speaker 2: will they breathe and drink? And a big one, what
Speaker 2: will they eat? Creating food on the surface of Mars
Speaker 2: rather than bringing it or delivering it will be important
Speaker 2: for people to want to stay there for a long time. Now,
Speaker 2: one out of every three bites of food that people
Speaker 2: eat wouldn't exist without the working of pollinators, which in
Speaker 2: this case would be bees, which are animals that help
Speaker 2: plants reproduce by carrying pollen between them. Bees are among
Speaker 2: the most important pollinators and they could be very helpful
Speaker 2: for creating sustainable Martian agriculture. Now, yes, I understand this
Speaker 2: might sound crazy Martian agriculture. Listen for this. Let's just
Speaker 2: assume that physics is real, science is real, in that
Speaker 2: space is an actual thing. Right, Just let's get that
Speaker 2: out of the way. Now that being said, I have
Speaker 2: no idea what the soil composition is on Mars. They
Speaker 2: say it's got a lot of iron oxide on it,
Speaker 2: which is why it's red fine but if they were
Speaker 2: able to get some sort of agrig bull land situation
Speaker 2: there with a microorganism, I saw they showed signs of
Speaker 2: it anyway, And they don't. They're not saying one hundred
Speaker 2: percent that it is a micro organism that caused these marks.
Speaker 2: But the only thing that could have caused these marks
Speaker 2: is a micro organism. It's like scientists are like super
Speaker 2: leary to stake their reputation on it and put their
Speaker 2: name with it. It's and for anybody who doesn't know,
Speaker 2: it's basically these it's like holes that have been eaten
Speaker 2: away on certain types of rocks and the way that
Speaker 2: they were eaten. They are saying that while they can't
Speaker 2: confirm that something living did this, the only time that
Speaker 2: this happens on earth is by a living organism that
Speaker 2: ate it and did this. And so it's this weird.
Speaker 2: It's like an unspoken truth that scientists are finally acknowledging, Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: Mars at one point in time had to have sustained
Speaker 2: life for this to be this way, But nobody wants
Speaker 2: to be the one to put their name on and say, yep,
Speaker 2: Mars got it. So anyway, but that to be said,
Speaker 2: we don't know what type of organism. We don't know
Speaker 2: what the biological makeup of it was, We don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of unknowns here, and I understand that.
Speaker 2: But if they were to either bring soil or make
Speaker 2: the soil on Mars ag aggregable, excuse me, if they
Speaker 2: were able to melt the ice caves, get water on
Speaker 2: there and make a real farming situation happen. Hypothetically speaking,
Speaker 2: it would also stand a reason that they would need pollinators,
Speaker 2: and of course bees would be the natural choice for that.
Speaker 2: So I can at least understand why they felt strongly
Speaker 2: enough about this to put them on the Discovery mission
Speaker 2: and put them in space, just to see how they
Speaker 2: would act in an environment without the same type of
Speaker 2: gravity that they've been used to dealing with for the
Speaker 2: last arguably one point six billionaires or some shit.
Speaker 3: I'm curious how that went, Like, how do they like
Speaker 3: vibrate around in zero gravity?
Speaker 2: Let's learn about it together, everyone, here we go. Could
Speaker 2: you imagine what Martian farm would look like? A fun
Speaker 2: fact using resources like water, oxygen, and food that are
Speaker 2: created at an extraterrestrial destination is known is known as
Speaker 2: in situ resource utilization didn't know that while about five
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy humans have been to space, more than
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred bees have been to space. Three thousand,
Speaker 2: five hundred bees have been to space. Here are a
Speaker 2: couple of times that they made the journey. In nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two, NASA sent about fifty insects to space, including
Speaker 2: fourteen honey bees, as part of an Insect Flight Observations
Speaker 2: at Zero Gravity experiment. The scientists made observations about how
Speaker 2: well these insects could fly at zero gravity. According to
Speaker 2: what they observed, honeybees had a lot of trouble figuring
Speaker 2: out how to fly. It might have been related to
Speaker 2: the fact they couldn't figure out where they were headed,
Speaker 2: or perhaps they didn't have high enough quality food. There's
Speaker 2: other details on the experiment that you could check out
Speaker 2: if you're really interested. In nineteen eighty seven, this scent
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred bees with the A comparison of honeycomb
Speaker 2: structures built by APIs milifera experiment Okay. The scientists monitored
Speaker 2: how well the bees were able to create their honeycombs
Speaker 2: and found some very promising results. While a few of
Speaker 2: the bees died and they were able to They were
Speaker 2: able to create honeycomb structures nearly identical to the ones
Speaker 2: bees make on Earth. The bees in the colony also
Speaker 2: seemed to be able to navigate around their model better
Speaker 2: than the ones that were a part of the nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two experiment. These two experiments are more than thirty
Speaker 2: years old at this point and were a part of
Speaker 2: NASA's Shuttle Student Involvement programmer SSIP that gave students the
Speaker 2: opportunity to propose experiments for flight on now retired space shuttles.
Speaker 2: The more most recent best arenaut quote unquote took flight
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen during the Megachile Rotunda pro Preception Okay
Speaker 2: and Flight Patterns in Microgramvity experiment that was aboard SpaceX
Speaker 2: CSR fifteen that was the Commercial Resupply Service mission. The
Speaker 2: students that designed this experiment selected a species of solitary
Speaker 2: bee known as alfalfa leafcutter bees. They differ from honeybees
Speaker 2: in that they don't live in large colonies. Because of
Speaker 2: their solitary lifestyle, they happen to be super efficient pollinators.
Speaker 2: You could see from a video that they seem to
Speaker 2: have these same problems flying that the honey bees experience
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty two. There's still so much to learn
Speaker 2: about how different types of pollinators might respond to zero
Speaker 2: or low gravity environments, as well as enclosed space habitats.
Speaker 2: Understanding how they react to these environments can help us
Speaker 2: plan for the future of horticulture and agriculture on Earth
Speaker 2: and space. Maybe the key to helping them fly in
Speaker 2: these situations is raising the bees in space from the
Speaker 2: time they hatch from their eggs, or perhaps we'll need
Speaker 2: to replicate earthbound forces while we're in space that the
Speaker 2: pollinators will be able to get around.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking about that, Yeah, what if they adapted.
Speaker 3: If they adapted that quickly to the mites, and they've
Speaker 3: adapted to everything that has been thrown at them, what
Speaker 3: if they just were raised there? I wonder what that
Speaker 3: would do.
Speaker 2: So they had they were able to fly in zero gravity,
Speaker 2: but they weren't able to get a real good sense
Speaker 2: of direction. Now, with that being said, I'm wondering if maybe,
Speaker 2: because like you said, they are magnetically sensitive, right, and
Speaker 2: so on Earth we have magnetic poles, they're able to
Speaker 2: get a good sense of direction and bearing based off
Speaker 2: of their own natural inhibitors. On a spacecraft, there's all
Speaker 2: kinds of components and electrical things that have magnetic poles
Speaker 2: on it, which would be throwing them all kinds of
Speaker 2: wild signals. So to your point, maybe if they were
Speaker 2: hatched in space, maybe they'd be used to it. Maybe
Speaker 2: it would take a couple of generations for them to
Speaker 2: adapt to that. Keep in mind, in forty years, they
Speaker 2: had over two hundred adaptations that they were evolutionarily able
Speaker 2: to make, So it's very possible that in a couple
Speaker 2: of generations on a space station these bees would be
Speaker 2: just fine. But the other side to that is they
Speaker 2: as far as they're flying goes, if they're in a
Speaker 2: zero gravity environment with nothing to pollinate. I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: that might have been an issue too, because at that
Speaker 2: point they were just building a honeycomb to build a honeycomb.
Speaker 2: They weren't like trying to pollinate a plant species that
Speaker 2: they use for food or anything like that. So I'm
Speaker 2: wondering to what level that would go if they were
Speaker 2: trying to actually have some sort of an agriculture or
Speaker 2: horticulture situation in space, would they be more directed to
Speaker 2: go straight to the pollen regardless of what the magnets
Speaker 2: was telling them, or what the air temperatures or whatever
Speaker 2: the case else was.
Speaker 3: I wonder if they could build like an experimental room
Speaker 3: at the space station and have them raised there and
Speaker 3: then have the actual plants that they want and everything
Speaker 3: like that, and let them out and see if they
Speaker 3: are able to pollinate on their own effects efficiently. Maybe
Speaker 3: in that kind of environment. Because you think about all
Speaker 3: the movies they you see about space and they always
Speaker 3: have those, you know, massive areas that have all the
Speaker 3: food in them. I'm wondering if it's something like that
Speaker 3: where they're able to get there, you know, I guess
Speaker 3: the wings about them and figure out where to go
Speaker 3: and stuff. If it was already set up how it
Speaker 3: would be here on Earth.
Speaker 2: Maybe, But at the same time, it is very difficult
Speaker 2: to replicate a zero gravity environment on Earth, Like I'm
Speaker 2: usually when they're doing that kind of stuff, they're using
Speaker 2: wires and shit like that.
Speaker 3: No, I meant to take the bees up there and
Speaker 3: just experiment, like create an entire just like room I
Speaker 3: guess or something of where you have a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of plants and see if they're able to figure out
Speaker 3: can you know, are they able to actually do it
Speaker 3: on their own, or does it take interesting or does
Speaker 3: it take generations of reproducing to get to whatever adaptation?
Speaker 3: What would be the first adaptation? How long would it
Speaker 3: take for them to adapt? Would they have to change
Speaker 3: their wingspan? Would they have to change how their vertebrae is?
Speaker 3: What would they need to change to be able to adapt?
Speaker 3: And the only way I think they would be able
Speaker 3: to do this is taking them up there and having
Speaker 3: them stay long term at the space station.
Speaker 2: I think you might be onto something, but again, that's
Speaker 2: going to space. Even with SpaceX that they were doing
Speaker 2: for the resupply thing, that's an expensive endeavor. So we
Speaker 2: would have to get we're not us, but we as
Speaker 2: a human race would have to get enough resources together
Speaker 2: to say yes, if we plan on doing X, Y,
Speaker 2: or Z things. As far as whether that's inhabiting Mars
Speaker 2: or whether that's.
Speaker 3: Just they're already going to colonize it. Though that push
Speaker 3: for that girl already signed up, the twenty six year
Speaker 3: old to live there for indefinitely. I mean that's been
Speaker 3: a conversation though since God I was in the Marine Corps,
Speaker 3: so you know, early two thousands and stuff. It's been
Speaker 3: a conversation of inhabiting Mars, and I truly believe that
Speaker 3: they're going to probably build those those huts whatever they're called.
Speaker 3: There's like a special name for those little hexagon huts
Speaker 3: they want to build. Is as long as they can
Speaker 3: figure out how to sustain themselves until the next resupplies,
Speaker 3: I'm sure that they're going to continue. They're going to
Speaker 3: start doing.
Speaker 2: That, and so maybe bees will be a part of that.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting. So to that point, the whole conversation
Speaker 2: about our bees connected to aliens or something like that,
Speaker 2: we know for sure, at least at one point in time,
Speaker 2: they were put to space to see how they would function,
Speaker 2: and the first experiment didn't go too terribly well, but
Speaker 2: they were able to form a honeycomb, they were able
Speaker 2: to fly. So now the next point of that conversation
Speaker 2: would be can they pollinate in space? So we will
Speaker 2: just have to wait and see.
Speaker 3: My other thought process to the bee situation on Mars
Speaker 3: would be making fake bees of some type, or making
Speaker 3: some type of fake you know, artificial intelligent type situation,
Speaker 3: because that way you don't have to deal with the loss,
Speaker 3: the devastating loss of an entire colony. If the queen
Speaker 3: dies or something gets spread through them, maybe there's some
Speaker 3: kind of weird microorganism that would take them out.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny that you mentioned this, because the
Speaker 2: next thing that we are going to be bringing up
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact is earthbound pollinators that they
Speaker 2: are trying to use robotic pollinators to replace bees. And
Speaker 2: to your point, if this does work successfully on Earth,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't it successfully work in space. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and check it out at this time. As
Speaker 2: bees die, NASA inspired robot could fill the pollination void.
Speaker 2: Check this shit out.
Speaker 5: We've taken a lot of the autonomy tools that we
Speaker 5: developed during the NASA Centennial Challenge and we're bringing it
Speaker 5: back down to this earthbound application.
Speaker 4: Well know that the bees are dying.
Speaker 10: Bees are dying, and we are having an issue with
Speaker 10: pollination capability for our crops.
Speaker 4: So we need to find a way to keep up
Speaker 4: with the agriculture without necessarily relying on the beast.
Speaker 3: This is our pollination robot.
Speaker 10: This robot has to drive around in a greenhouse and
Speaker 10: make decisions about which flowers to pollinate.
Speaker 1: We have to be able to navigate or you can
Speaker 1: detect a flower that is ready to be pollinated.
Speaker 10: We want to use a robotic arm to pollinate each
Speaker 10: flower individually, and.
Speaker 2: They should be able to do all this completely autonomously,
Speaker 2: so you can see all.
Speaker 10: Of the objects that it's detecting. A lot of the
Speaker 10: same technologies and techniques that we learned through a Centennial
Speaker 10: Challenges definitely apply to this project now.
Speaker 9: So if we can parliament flower, we can probably pick fruit.
Speaker 10: Possibilities around us.
Speaker 9: Definitely think the Centennial Challenge helped a lot in making
Speaker 9: this project possible.
Speaker 2: So the Centennial Challenge put on by West Virginia University,
Speaker 2: if anybody wants to look into that, it's literally what
Speaker 2: we're talking about. Autonomous robots that are able to pick
Speaker 2: out which flowers or which fruit or whatever else is
Speaker 2: ready to be pollinated and then doing it artificially.
Speaker 3: Man, they've taken the job of humans and bees.
Speaker 2: Oh they really are. And then let's go to this
Speaker 2: next one over here, Technion Israel Institute of Technology. Yes,
Speaker 2: Israel's getting their shout out here too, Jews. They are
Speaker 2: actually creating drones to replace bees. Many drones.
Speaker 3: Many drones tiny like the size of your thumb, so
Speaker 3: like nano technology.
Speaker 2: Not well, I guess technically speaking it b nano, but
Speaker 2: essentially it's a drone that's like the size of your
Speaker 2: thumb that is gonna be able to pollinate in place
Speaker 2: of bees. Check this shit out. It's mind blowing. And
Speaker 2: also gonna leave the mics on because I don't think
Speaker 2: they have a lot of speaking on this one, so
Speaker 2: we're gonna be describing what we're looking at here. So
Speaker 2: they got this little robot with a launch pad and
Speaker 2: there's four little drones on it and more like the
Speaker 2: palm of your hand size. Now on screen, Now I'm
Speaker 2: gonna turn the bees down a little bit. Here on screen,
Speaker 2: they're showing these drones that are it's a simulation, but
Speaker 2: they're able to hit all these key points on these trees.
Speaker 2: But you couple this with what we just watched. West
Speaker 2: Virginia University just developed their centennial project. Now we're showing
Speaker 2: real life to sit in a simulation. These are real
Speaker 2: drones on a real plant that are able to hit
Speaker 2: and pollinate in this way.
Speaker 3: So it's seeing that these three drones were able to
Speaker 3: experimentally polliny on one hundred and seventy eight and now
Speaker 3: they these three drones are actively pollinating fifty two flowers.
Speaker 2: We're watching it in real time. These drones are replacing bees.
Speaker 3: That's insane to me.
Speaker 2: And this is from two years ago.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the technology is probably already completed.
Speaker 2: This point, absolutely, and that's it. In just that time,
Speaker 2: less than thirty seconds, we watched them pollinate.
Speaker 3: That entire report shows poliny in three minutes, fifty two flowers.
Speaker 3: The jone yep stayed sea distanced.
Speaker 2: Away YEP, so they didn't actually interact with the wildlife.
Speaker 2: It's not like the little blades or any risk of
Speaker 2: cutting the flowers or cutting the leaves or anything like that.
Speaker 2: The target allocation algorithm adjusted the parameters five times in
Speaker 2: that three minute span. No downwash interferences were observed, and
Speaker 2: there was a position ere of give or take point
Speaker 2: one meters, so a millimeter tolerance.
Speaker 3: I can't like, I feel bad for replacing the bees,
Speaker 3: but I'm also this is quite effective. I mean, fifty
Speaker 3: two flowers in three minutes versus how I wonder how
Speaker 3: long it takes an average bee to pollinate.
Speaker 2: Ie, no idea.
Speaker 3: You know that's something. I'm going to sit here and
Speaker 3: look up while we watch this video.
Speaker 2: We can totally google that. I mean, how long does
Speaker 2: it take for a bee to actually pollinate? I mean
Speaker 2: fifty two flowers. I feel like that's a weird, a
Speaker 2: weird number to throw out there, but since that is
Speaker 2: what was just done. It took these drones three minutes.
Speaker 2: And this was that was actually three drones. So it
Speaker 2: took three drones three minutes to pollinate fifty two flowers.
Speaker 2: So I'm very curious if bees actually have you know,
Speaker 2: are they more efficient at it?
Speaker 3: What the case was, I'm looking it up right now.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what it says. It says the
Speaker 3: time it takes for a bee to poliny a single
Speaker 3: flower can vary, but generally, generally a bee visits multiple
Speaker 3: flowers during each trip, spending only a few seconds to
Speaker 3: a couple minutes on each flower to collect. An overall,
Speaker 3: bee can visit fifty to one hundred flowers in a
Speaker 3: single collection trip. One trip, one trip, so that's an
Speaker 3: entire day. Wow, So these these drones were more effective
Speaker 3: in three minutes than an entire day work of a bee.
Speaker 2: Oh that's not good.
Speaker 3: That's really not good. But I guess my next question is, so,
Speaker 3: if it pollinates, is this just using it for commercial use,
Speaker 3: the ones where they have to bring in the millions
Speaker 3: of bees from the bee hives. Is that what they're
Speaker 3: going to use this for? Or is this going to
Speaker 3: interact with the bees in natural environment? Because if the
Speaker 3: bees are out there doing their work and these tiny
Speaker 3: little drones are out there, are the bees going to
Speaker 3: become more aggressive? Is it going to interact with its
Speaker 3: actual ability to find the flowers to pollinate with? Are
Speaker 3: they going to end up killing the bees somehow? I
Speaker 3: guess I have a lot of questions. I feel like
Speaker 3: this would be more of a controlled experiment of you know,
Speaker 3: taking it to the almond groves.
Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing too, It's about cost effectiveness
Speaker 2: at that point, right, I have no idea how much
Speaker 2: these drones and this whole rig in the computer system
Speaker 2: and all these things costs or what the upkeep is,
Speaker 2: Like how how long is this one of those drones
Speaker 2: going to be good for? Is one of these drones
Speaker 2: going to be able to last you an entire season, right?
Speaker 2: Or is it something that maybe at or a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks a little motor gives out on you or
Speaker 2: something like that. That's the other thing too, Even if
Speaker 2: it's let's say it costs. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: the average upkeep is on a bee hive as far
Speaker 2: as the cost is concerned, but they seem like they
Speaker 2: pretty much run themselves right once you build in the winter.
Speaker 3: In the winter is the how they got to keep
Speaker 3: them alive through the winter.
Speaker 2: But I thought the bees collect honey and survive that
Speaker 2: way through the winter.
Speaker 3: They kind of like seal them up in little plastic
Speaker 3: things to try to keep them alive and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And then Japanese people were talking about going and checking
Speaker 3: them every month for mites. Yeah, so I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't really know. I feel like these these drones and
Speaker 3: the other robot would cost initial upfront way more than
Speaker 3: a couple million bees.
Speaker 2: But if it's that effective.
Speaker 3: But if it's that effective and last that long, then
Speaker 3: overall you'd replace bees. But then what does that do
Speaker 3: then for the overall population of honey bees? Because what
Speaker 3: happens to the bees once they're.
Speaker 2: Done and once they're not able to go get pollen, yeah,
Speaker 2: and make honey for themselves or survive. But that being said,
Speaker 2: if we are talking about terraforming Mars or something like that,
Speaker 2: this would be more effective, right, And when they did
Speaker 2: these experiments with the bees in space in the eighties,
Speaker 2: small nanodrone technology was something that was beyond the realm
Speaker 2: of sci fi, honestly, or at least that was that point.
Speaker 2: But now even they were talking about in twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: with SpaceX they brought bees up there. We didn't have
Speaker 2: the drone capability in twenty fourteen. Yeah, we had like
Speaker 2: predator drones and shit like that. You had the small
Speaker 2: little handheld with the raven I think is what it
Speaker 2: used to be called.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is definitely more advanced technology, more precise technology.
Speaker 3: So I'm curious to see this would make more sense
Speaker 3: for me how I was talking about the lab grown Yeah, situation,
Speaker 3: you could use either or probably, honestly the other one
Speaker 3: that there was. The other experiment makes more sense to me,
Speaker 3: But that would alleviate trying to bring live, you know,
Speaker 3: insects up into space.
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing too. Let's say that you
Speaker 2: were successfully able to breed a couple of generations of
Speaker 2: bees in space, and they could figure out how to
Speaker 2: do all that. What's to say that they wouldn't experience
Speaker 2: some sort of a CCD type of situation on Mars,
Speaker 2: and at that point you're fucked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're completely screwed.
Speaker 2: There's no way you're getting a whole new shipment of
Speaker 2: bees and then breeding them a couple of generations worth
Speaker 2: in space again to try again. So, now that this
Speaker 2: kind of technology is a real possibility, I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: they're even concerned about bringing bees to Mars or are
Speaker 2: they just gonna let technology and AI do the work.
Speaker 3: Probably not, I mean AI is taking over everything, But
Speaker 3: I mean I can see them just saying screw it,
Speaker 3: because there's so many interferences with how bees operate in space,
Speaker 3: would be hard to even try to predict what could
Speaker 3: go wrong, at least with this is the tain little
Speaker 3: piece of technology that you're just using to pop it
Speaker 3: pollinate for fifty two flowers in three months.
Speaker 2: That's insane. I didn't realize what that rate looked like
Speaker 2: as compared to actual live bees. That's one scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one bee takes any it takes all day to
Speaker 3: pollinate fifty two one hundred flowers.
Speaker 2: Wow. And now with all that being said, talking more
Speaker 2: about technology and bees, we now have to worry about
Speaker 2: the Chinese scientists that had created cyborg bees that can
Speaker 2: be controlled like drones for undercover military missions. Super not
Speaker 2: in the realm of conversation as far as the bee
Speaker 2: conspiracy that we keep hearing about how the bee hives
Speaker 2: are better than ever slash, they're all dying and shit.
Speaker 2: But as we're talking about conspiratorial things and bees and
Speaker 2: now we're talking about robots, I felt like it was
Speaker 2: only right that we at least give this its moment.
Speaker 2: This article was written in July of this year, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. So Seal Team b Okay researchers at the
Speaker 2: Beijing Institute Technology have turned innocent bees into cyborgs that
Speaker 2: can be controlled via a seventy four milligram insect brain
Speaker 2: controller WOW. As The South China Morning Post reports, the
Speaker 2: controller pierces the bee's tiny brain with three needles and
Speaker 2: uses signals sent via electronic pulses to make it fly forwards, backwards, left,
Speaker 2: or right. According to the reporting, the bee obeyed these
Speaker 2: commands nine out of ten times. The researchers are hoping
Speaker 2: that the tiny cyborg could allow the military to infiltrate
Speaker 2: hard to access spaces or be used in search and
Speaker 2: rescue missions to find survivors in natural disasters. According to
Speaker 2: a research paper, insect based robots inherit the superior mobility,
Speaker 2: camouflage capabilities, and environmental adaptability of their biological hosts. The
Speaker 2: paper reads, as quoted by SCMP the Hive Mind, the
Speaker 2: idea of turning real life insects into military agents is
Speaker 2: surprisingly widespread. We've already come across scientists turning cockroaches into
Speaker 2: crawling legions of desert recon operatives. Earlier this year, a
Speaker 2: team of Japanese scientists even controlled cicadas to turn their
Speaker 2: chirps into a rendition of the soundtrack of Top Gun,
Speaker 2: which is actually pretty cool.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even know this was the thing.
Speaker 2: They were just trying to fuck with mother nature. They
Speaker 2: just can't leave shit alone.
Speaker 3: So surprised.
Speaker 2: The Beijing team is betting on the extended operational endurance
Speaker 2: of real bees, which makes them invaluable for covert reconnaissance
Speaker 2: in scenarios such as urban combat, counter terrorism, and narcotics interdiction,
Speaker 2: as well as critical disaster relief operations. Yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 2: what I need. I got a flood going on, Me
Speaker 2: and my family are trying to get to higher ground,
Speaker 2: and I got a bee that keeps buzzing around my head. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna smack that. I'm gonna ruin their cyborg.
Speaker 3: It's always like the way that they decided to talk
Speaker 3: about stuff is well, this is for the betterment of people.
Speaker 2: It's always for the betterment.
Speaker 3: And they always played up to it's for the betterment
Speaker 3: of people. This is not nefarious. This is going to
Speaker 3: be some thing that's good for us, and then it
Speaker 3: gets taken and gone to complete shit, Like.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that they're telling you that these bees
Speaker 2: are going to be able to help you, tell find
Speaker 2: you in a disaster situation, Then you don't know if
Speaker 2: the bee that's buzzing around your flower garden is actually
Speaker 2: spying when you're not.
Speaker 3: You know what this plays into my mind right now
Speaker 3: of the whole situation in the UK and how they're
Speaker 3: taking away their rights and how they it's pretty much
Speaker 3: a v for vendetta situation that's happening. So they're you know,
Speaker 3: how the trucks would go by and be listening to
Speaker 3: what people are saying. Absolutely, why do you need that
Speaker 3: when you just have now covert freaking bees of all things.
Speaker 2: I mean, they could have chose a better insect for it.
Speaker 2: But I guess they were successful in three needles to
Speaker 2: their little brain. That was all it took.
Speaker 3: I mean, they fly fast, so you have a higher
Speaker 3: chance of not being able to kill the bee than
Speaker 3: other insects, So I understand why they would choose that one.
Speaker 2: I guess this gives the whole fly on the wall
Speaker 2: a whole new spin, doesn't it. Oh?
Speaker 3: Kg, this is kind of creepy, like I mean, a
Speaker 3: lot of AI technology is creepy.
Speaker 2: Uh, which is why the creators of AI are all
Speaker 2: buying underground bunkers to hide from what's coming. But neither
Speaker 2: here nor there. But before an army of bees can
Speaker 2: infiltrate military targets as part of a futuristic covert operation,
Speaker 2: the researchers still have plenty of hurdles to overcome. For one,
Speaker 2: power delivery is still a major problem. The bees still
Speaker 2: need to be wired up to the controller to function,
Speaker 2: since a big enough battery weighs in at a relatively
Speaker 2: hefty six hundred milligrams, vastly more than the tiny load
Speaker 2: of the equipment itself. In future research, precision and repeatability
Speaker 2: of insect behavior control will be enhanced by optimizing stimulation
Speaker 2: signals and control techniques. The researchers are looking to expand
Speaker 2: the functionalities of the system to the point to where
Speaker 2: they can be used for quote, reconnaissance and detection missions.
Speaker 2: So China is already developing cyborg live bees.
Speaker 3: That's creepy.
Speaker 2: And you couple all of that with what we have
Speaker 2: learned already about the hybridization of bees and how they
Speaker 2: have adapted so quickly to whatever their environment tells them
Speaker 2: that they need to. Right forty years, they had over
Speaker 2: two hundred evolutionary changes just to stay up to date
Speaker 2: on everything and to stay as healthy as they could.
Speaker 2: Then we're talking about them going to space. Now we're
Speaker 2: talking about cyborg bees. And again, is there any real
Speaker 2: truth to this conversation? As we keep hearing on all
Speaker 2: these different news sources, half of them are saying that
Speaker 2: bees are dying in droves and we don't know what
Speaker 2: to do about it. The other half is saying the
Speaker 2: bee population is better now than it's ever been throughout
Speaker 2: recorded history. It's this big, crazy talking point.
Speaker 3: It just brings you back to who's getting money? Yes
Speaker 3: from all of this. So I watched this lengthy video
Speaker 3: kind of talking about the whole situation with the African
Speaker 3: hybrid bees. And the main point that the creator kept
Speaker 3: bringing it back to was, look, no matter what side
Speaker 3: you're on, either you're for keeping the bees, you're for
Speaker 3: the extermination of these bees. Either way, people are gaining
Speaker 3: money from this. Yeah, it depends on the development of
Speaker 3: whatever dot dot dot to try and see we need
Speaker 3: to create this experiment with this pesticide, this, this, this.
Speaker 3: They are gaining money from the problem that they created
Speaker 3: decades prior that is still having a trickling effect even
Speaker 3: right now because just these bees are going to stay here,
Speaker 3: right the bees are going to keep working and doing
Speaker 3: what they want to do is going to nature. And
Speaker 3: that that was a big thing, is that when do
Speaker 3: we stop being having our hand in nature? And it's
Speaker 3: it's a question as old as time of us continuously
Speaker 3: screwing with nature and then being like, well, that fucked up,
Speaker 3: Let's try something else. Hey, let's keep trying this until
Speaker 3: we get to the point where like maybe we shouldn't,
Speaker 3: maybe we shouldn't do that, and now we can't turn back,
Speaker 3: so now we try to manage our situations. I don't
Speaker 3: know which article is true. There's a lot of different
Speaker 3: information back and forth of if we're having a crisis
Speaker 3: if we're not. The commercial industry is talking heavily about
Speaker 3: their losses versus just normal everyday beekeepers in the backyard
Speaker 3: or native bees.
Speaker 2: Right, And with that being said, we actually have a
Speaker 2: TikTok that we're going to play here, and this guy
Speaker 2: kind of breaks down the overarching theme that kind of
Speaker 2: dispel and prove some of the things that we are
Speaker 2: hearing from the media. Let's listen. In million dollars in
Speaker 2: dead honeybee colonies looks like.
Speaker 9: First off, I am not critiquing this creator's video. I
Speaker 9: am just trying to add my two cents and a
Speaker 9: little depth to the conversation. And many people have sent
Speaker 9: me this video, so I thought it was a good
Speaker 9: one to interact with. The biggest takeaway that I want
Speaker 9: people to have from my video is that this is
Speaker 9: a commercial beekeeper issue, which means it's an agricultural issue.
Speaker 9: It's a food system's issue here in the United States.
Speaker 9: It is not an issue or hobbyist beekeepers to worry about,
Speaker 9: and it has no impact on our native bee population.
Speaker 2: This is a.
Speaker 9: Large issue because it affects how our food is grown
Speaker 9: and the pollination rates of that which can impact yields
Speaker 9: and there impact our wallets as potentially food costs go up.
Speaker 9: Because of this, our large scale agricultural system is pretty
Speaker 9: much disconnected from our ecosystems at large, mostly because of
Speaker 9: monocultural systems and pesticides. Because of our monocultural systems that
Speaker 9: we've created in this country, we have to artificially create
Speaker 9: pollination as well, because there's no ecosystem in those farms
Speaker 9: to create healthy and normal pollination services. So we invent
Speaker 9: it and we use commercial beekeeping operations to do so,
Speaker 9: and these losses are connected with that system solely.
Speaker 6: When you see.
Speaker 9: Statements above that say that this affects all be it's
Speaker 9: important to note that this is the industry talking about honeybees,
Speaker 9: and to a layman, this doesn't affect all bees at all.
Speaker 9: This is just commercial beekeeping operation. Seemingly, this is going
Speaker 9: to be devastating for our honeybee operations, our beekeepers, and
Speaker 9: our crop yields this year and beyond. But we need
Speaker 9: to start having the separation and conversation between our agricultural
Speaker 9: systems and our ecosystems, because they are currently as disconnected
Speaker 9: as they ever have been.
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of truth to what
Speaker 2: he just said. This seems like it is a for
Speaker 2: lack of better words, industrial beekeeping problem.
Speaker 3: So that's what I so. That article that he showed
Speaker 3: in the background, it was the article that's circulating all
Speaker 3: over social media's and I think what he was seeing
Speaker 3: and what I've found otherwise is that this article is
Speaker 3: discussing the virtualization of bees and that they're seeing massive losses,
Speaker 3: like one hundred and thirty nine million dollars worth of losses,
Speaker 3: and that their bees are dying at like seventy percent.
Speaker 3: And so people are taking that narrative and then running
Speaker 3: with it and saying that it's all bees. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's true. I don't know, because I mean,
Speaker 3: it's you can't every other thing is saying different stuff,
Speaker 3: and so I don't really know for sure, but it
Speaker 3: seems like this is just an agricultural like, this is
Speaker 3: the commercialized side that they are seeing massive losses from.
Speaker 2: And there's some I think that's fair, right, But then
Speaker 2: we have other people out there that bring in experts
Speaker 2: that say that the entire conversation about the bee loss
Speaker 2: is not a hoax by any means, but it's also
Speaker 2: being perpetuated by certain media outlets. And it's the same
Speaker 2: type of media outlets that are telling you that global
Speaker 2: warming is a human problem because we're the bad guys.
Speaker 2: We did this, and in reality it's not so clear cut.
Speaker 2: There's nuances to all of it. When we're talking about
Speaker 2: the bee population here, I found this video here. This
Speaker 2: is from John Stossel shouts out the bee apocalypse another
Speaker 2: scare story the media got wrong. I would love to
Speaker 2: hear all of your take on this one.
Speaker 7: Have you heard about that other environmental crisis. Honey bees
Speaker 7: are dying.
Speaker 6: Something is killing America's bee population.
Speaker 7: For years, the media have talked about be.
Speaker 1: Apocalypse, bees dying off, disappearing.
Speaker 7: All the news shows cover the disaster.
Speaker 8: This might be one of the most interesting, disturbing, and
Speaker 8: puzzling stories to come along in a long time.
Speaker 7: Famous actors are sold of the b apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Thirty percent of the honeybees disappearing.
Speaker 6: That could have a devastating impact on agriculture.
Speaker 7: But wait, grocery stores still offer lots of baseball games
Speaker 7: are stopped until a beekeeper removes bees. Even here in Manhattan,
Speaker 7: the beekeeper sells millions of bees. Yet the media say
Speaker 7: bees are dying in droves. Now, about twenty years ago,
Speaker 7: some American bees did die.
Speaker 1: It's called colony collapse disorder.
Speaker 6: Beekeepers would come back to their hives and they'd be gone.
Speaker 6: All the bees are be gone.
Speaker 7: For several years, beekeepers lost lots of bees.
Speaker 3: So this is what you call a dead hive.
Speaker 6: Ye, empty box, no bees.
Speaker 7: But beekeepers adjusted. They rebuilt the lost colonies by splitting hives,
Speaker 7: dividing colonies at a big up, new hives. No one
Speaker 7: knows what caused colony collapse disorder, and after a few
Speaker 7: years it diminished. Since then there are thirty one percent
Speaker 7: more bees in America. They could have just googled bee
Speaker 7: population and they would have seen them going off.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's farcycle.
Speaker 7: Science writer John en Tyme runs the Genetic Literacy Project
Speaker 7: challenges scientific misinformation in the media.
Speaker 6: We're not, in any way facing an apocalypse involving bees.
Speaker 6: Things have never been better in terms of the numbers
Speaker 6: of bees globally.
Speaker 7: The numbers go up, but they're dying. Stories continued.
Speaker 6: Bees are disappearing worldwide. All you have to do is
Speaker 6: read the basic science on these issues, whether it's on
Speaker 6: the genetically. But he reads that they don't read that.
Speaker 7: Look, more people are going to watch the video that
Speaker 7: says you might starve.
Speaker 5: Do you like to eat?
Speaker 6: The disappearance of honeybees could have a drastic effect on
Speaker 6: our nation's food supply.
Speaker 7: Which could lead to millions of people starving in the
Speaker 7: following years. The media are so irresponsible. Time predicted a
Speaker 7: world without bees, even though this beekeeper who gave the
Speaker 7: magazine this bee for their photo shoot, would have told them.
Speaker 2: The bees will outlast you. They've been around since the
Speaker 2: Cretaceous period.
Speaker 7: I don't remember seeing Time apologize for its cover.
Speaker 6: Time has not apologized or even written a new article
Speaker 6: that puts this in science perspective. The New York Times,
Speaker 6: about five years later, had a cover story about the
Speaker 6: insect Armageddon, predicting catastrophe. We're losing insects around the world.
Speaker 6: We're not losing insects around the world.
Speaker 7: Did The Times ever apologize for its magazine cover.
Speaker 6: No, they skipped onto another crisis.
Speaker 7: There's always a scare.
Speaker 6: Catastrophe, exaggeration. That's what plays, that's what gets the clicks.
Speaker 7: And if you read their.
Speaker 6: Entire stories, they don't really have a lot of science.
Speaker 6: They don't have key scientists entomologists giving their opinions on this.
Speaker 6: What they have are the Environmental Working Group or Pesticide
Speaker 6: Action Network framing these issues.
Speaker 1: They're disappearing. That's why Greenpeace set itself a challenge to
Speaker 1: put a stop to the depths of thousands of fees.
Speaker 7: Activists make money by scaring people about loss of species.
Speaker 1: If we don't act now, every wild polar bear could
Speaker 1: be gone forever.
Speaker 6: Hysteria generates donations, and the oxygen for these organizations is
Speaker 6: money donated by people who think they're doing good.
Speaker 3: Why is it so important to donate to this fundraiser
Speaker 3: for Greenpeace?
Speaker 5: Because it's too hot, because it's too cold, because it rains,
Speaker 5: because it doesn't.
Speaker 6: Many of these environmental groups, their policies harm people in
Speaker 6: the United States and globally how well.
Speaker 7: One way is that the group's demand countries ban fertilizers
Speaker 7: and new pesticides, but the newest chemicals are often the
Speaker 7: best ones.
Speaker 1: Today's pesticides are safer than ever.
Speaker 7: The activists blamed pesticides for that colony collapse disorder, even
Speaker 7: though other countries using the same pesticides had no colony collapse.
Speaker 7: But the facts don't matter. The moronic protests continued, the
Speaker 7: company isn't doing enough to save the bay on old
Speaker 7: courses that be declined, but particularly pesticides, Even though b
Speaker 7: numbers are at a record high, gullible politicians bought the scare.
Speaker 7: Some places banned the newest pesticides.
Speaker 1: The European Union voted to suspend the use of neo
Speaker 1: nikots noise because of possible links to be collapsing.
Speaker 7: That meant farmers often used older, more dangerous chemicals that
Speaker 7: do kill bees. The natural food people say organic, you
Speaker 7: don't have to have the chemicals. Buy organic and you
Speaker 7: don't get them.
Speaker 6: They use chemicals extensively.
Speaker 7: Wait, organic farmers use chemicals.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's not like organic farmers can sprinkle organic fairy
Speaker 6: dust to get rid of insects and weeds.
Speaker 7: Instead, they use natural chemicals.
Speaker 6: An example is copper sulfate. It's one of the most
Speaker 6: toxic chemicals in the world. Organic chemicals, because they're not
Speaker 6: designed to be targeted in many cases, are far for worse.
Speaker 7: Sri Lanka's president listen to the activists and banned chemical
Speaker 7: pesticides and fertilizers. Suddenly, the same farms produced much less food.
Speaker 7: They were forced to go organic. Overnight and their production
Speaker 7: has plummeted, food prices row eighty percent. People invaded the
Speaker 7: presidential mansion, the president fled the country, and the new
Speaker 7: government ended the crisis only by making chemical fertilizer legal again.
Speaker 6: This attack on industrial chemicals is really a way for
Speaker 6: the environmental industry, and that's what it is to go
Speaker 6: after what they call big ag big corporations. It's really
Speaker 6: an anti capitalist movement.
Speaker 7: The anti capitalists supposed GMOs, genetically modified organisms. Environmental activists
Speaker 7: persuaded most European countries to basically ban growing GMO crops,
Speaker 7: but genetic modification allows farmers to grow more food on
Speaker 7: less land. It creates plants more resistant to disease and insects,
Speaker 7: allowing farmers to use fewer pesticides. GMOs benefit everyone, especially
Speaker 7: poor people. Scientists in Bangladesh and a better GMO eggplant.
Speaker 6: That's decreased the use of chemicals by eighty five percent,
Speaker 6: allowing the women and children who are doing most of
Speaker 6: the farming to live a much more viable life. So
Speaker 6: we really have to be smart about these things.
Speaker 7: We're not going to have being smart.
Speaker 6: Now we're following an outdated forty year old environmental script
Speaker 6: that just doesn't work in this technologically innovative world. They
Speaker 6: are outdated and they are hurting the very people, especially
Speaker 6: the developing world, that they claim to want to help.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm very curious what your take is on that,
Speaker 2: because I could understand the points that they're trying to
Speaker 2: make here. I'm not saying I'm pro GMO by any mean,
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if genetically modifying a plant
Speaker 2: makes it to where you have to use less pesticides
Speaker 2: in order to have a better yield, that sounds like
Speaker 2: an overall better situation, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, So I was actually just got me thinking when
Speaker 3: I was listening to them. There is a conversation a
Speaker 3: while back that genetically modified plants have less nutritional value,
Speaker 3: and so I was actually just looking it up and
Speaker 3: kind of just seeing it. It was saying that, no,
Speaker 3: they actually have more enhanced nutritional value. However, there's little
Speaker 3: evidences suggest that GMO foods are nutritionally superior overall, as
Speaker 3: many studies find no significant advantages from conventional organic foods,
Speaker 3: So it's kind of the same.
Speaker 2: I guess nutritionally speaking, it's the same. But if you're
Speaker 2: using less pesticides on the plant itself. That sounds like
Speaker 2: it's a better alternative.
Speaker 3: It does, I would actually, because for me, I've I've
Speaker 3: seen a lot of different information just kind of like
Speaker 3: this whole situation, mixed reviews, mixed information. You don't really
Speaker 3: know whoever is funding the reports or whoever is funding
Speaker 3: the studies and backing the scientists. They're going to sway
Speaker 3: their biased opinions in favor of whoever is giving them
Speaker 3: the paycheck. And I agree that's hard to find unbiased information,
Speaker 3: especially in a scientific studying. They're supposed to write it unbiasedly,
Speaker 3: but if you follow along where the money is coming from,
Speaker 3: they're going to have to sway their stuff. And statistics
Speaker 3: is actually quite easy to change and sway in favor
Speaker 3: of whatever you want, if anybody knows how to do statistics.
Speaker 2: So, but talking back to the bee conversation, for instance,
Speaker 2: in America, we have laws preventing the use of certain
Speaker 2: types of pesticides because it hurts bees. Other countries that
Speaker 2: do not have those laws, they're saying that the pesticides
Speaker 2: are the reason for the hive collapse. Other countries using
Speaker 2: those exact same chemicals have no hive collapse to be reported,
Speaker 2: or at least not to the scale that it is
Speaker 2: happening in America. I find that to be very interesting too.
Speaker 2: Now that being said, I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: the same genus of bees right like in America. Like
Speaker 2: you said, sixty to seventy percent of our bees have
Speaker 2: the African genome within them. I have no idea what
Speaker 2: other countries you know that was in that study have
Speaker 2: possibly African genome bees within them or whatever the case is.
Speaker 3: The CCD impacted Europe, Asia and US as well. We
Speaker 3: took the more brun in of the force, which I
Speaker 3: don't quite know why. I was trying to find information
Speaker 3: as to why we were so prevalent compared to other countries.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the genome situation is different. I mean,
Speaker 3: you have because you have different species, so potentially that
Speaker 3: might be the issue. I'm curious to see though, if
Speaker 3: GMO is not an issue, because I've read a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff that GMO is just like absolutely the worst
Speaker 3: thing ever.
Speaker 2: Well so many people have because it's genetically modified, so
Speaker 2: therefore it must be bad. But it's not inherently a
Speaker 2: true statement though.
Speaker 3: But then you go back to wheat sure. The conversation
Speaker 3: of wheat, our wheat that we have today, the green
Speaker 3: wheat that we have today has been genetically modified.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: It was originally modified to be more yielding, to produce faster.
Speaker 3: Same with potatoes, we modified them to change their genetic
Speaker 3: makeup to that way we could yield more because people
Speaker 3: were starving and they need food. Now there is a
Speaker 3: conversation that they did change and they were they are
Speaker 3: less and less nutritious than they were before. The conversation
Speaker 3: with the less nutritious actually has a lot to do
Speaker 3: with the towering systems where they have the whole warehouses,
Speaker 3: where you're having a ton of plants stacked in. It
Speaker 3: is a minute difference. I've read a lot about the
Speaker 3: vertical gardening and like the small differences versus coming out
Speaker 3: and being in the open. It's because you don't have
Speaker 3: the sun shining on the plant versus the actual lights.
Speaker 3: So there's a little bit of a difference. But if
Speaker 3: you're yielding more crops, then why wouldn't we go with
Speaker 3: the one that's faster and being able to yield more So.
Speaker 2: But that same spirit, for lack of better words, is
Speaker 2: the same conversation to why so many GMO crops have
Speaker 2: become so prevalent in this country because, like you said,
Speaker 2: if it's a minute difference, why aren't we leaning more
Speaker 2: heavily into that.
Speaker 3: There's so many things that we should be like that
Speaker 3: they're poisonous on a daily basis. So if you could
Speaker 3: eliminate pesicides, which is a huge factor, I mean, Sigenta
Speaker 3: owns everything. And I was noticing we read now three
Speaker 3: articles that were represented by the project APIs M. Yeah,
Speaker 3: three of the articles had that in it, and I
Speaker 3: was I just was like, oh, okay, so this this group,
Speaker 3: which is put on by tons of people and we
Speaker 3: kind of like looked into it is definitely funding all
Speaker 3: of these different types of conversations that we're having.
Speaker 2: Yes, So.
Speaker 3: I just don't see why. If it's not gonna harm us,
Speaker 3: and it might do better or do good, then why
Speaker 3: not do that instead of using appeal?
Speaker 2: Like but like you said, because so many people think
Speaker 2: immediately when they hear GMO, they think it's worse as
Speaker 2: opposed to when you hear organic. All of us, myself
Speaker 2: included you, everybody thinks that it would be a better alternative,
Speaker 2: and in a lot of cases it can be. But
Speaker 2: then we just that episode we did not too terribly
Speaker 2: long ago. The quote unquote term organic is a very
Speaker 2: very loose and liberal interpretation of what that word can mean,
Speaker 2: and not just from what this video showed us. With
Speaker 2: that the one toxic chemical that they are using that
Speaker 2: is technically speaking organic, there is tons of weird loopholes
Speaker 2: that you can use to get that organic label on
Speaker 2: your packaging.
Speaker 3: And the soil, the soil composition, what's in the soil,
Speaker 3: are they rotating the crops correctly? What kind of pesticides
Speaker 3: have they used in the past before that have seeped
Speaker 3: into the soil?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: The aluminum that's found in the bees, because they're getting
Speaker 3: it from that. Tons of bees have aluminum, high levels
Speaker 3: of aluminum in them, including honey bees, And like where
Speaker 3: are they getting that from? Because they're getting it from
Speaker 3: whatever the plants are growing in the dirt from. And
Speaker 3: then you have the whole conversation about water and all
Speaker 3: the chemicals that are in the water. This is a
Speaker 3: multifaceted issue that people are kind of just burying their
Speaker 3: head in the sand. They'll protest for bees, which, yes,
Speaker 3: we need the bees, and I actually have a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of save the bee shirts. I'm one of those
Speaker 3: people for sure, But they won't care about what's being
Speaker 3: in our water, what chemicals are doing that, what kind
Speaker 3: of chemicals are we using, or the appeal the appeal
Speaker 3: thing that they are putting on Bill Gates, whole situation,
Speaker 3: the spray, everyone knows about it. But like whole food
Speaker 3: took off the labels and so people just kind of
Speaker 3: accepted like this is a new norm. So I don't
Speaker 3: really understand. If the GMO plants are not actually hurting
Speaker 3: us in any regard, and they're lessening the pesticides and
Speaker 3: might help out the bees, why don't we just consider
Speaker 3: it as an option.
Speaker 2: I hear you. But then, just like we heard him say,
Speaker 2: and again, we looked up multiple sources that are saying
Speaker 2: that the bee population is actually doing better now than
Speaker 2: it has in the last forty years, and there are
Speaker 2: still some some issues. One hundred percent, there are hives
Speaker 2: that do die every winter. That is an absolute fact.
Speaker 3: On average of the hives are dying every winter.
Speaker 2: But somehow the bee population is at an all time high.
Speaker 2: They really two things can be right, right, two things
Speaker 2: can absolutely be true at the same time. But just
Speaker 2: like they said in that in that video, which I
Speaker 2: do tend to agree with. Crisis breeds funding, right, and
Speaker 2: if you can make something seem like you are the
Speaker 2: bad guy in it, you feel almost obligated to hand
Speaker 2: over money to help fix it or go. We have
Speaker 2: Al Gore getting a Nobel Peace Prize to talk about
Speaker 2: global warming because humans did that, and it's like, that's
Speaker 2: basically every bit of quote unquote science that he gave
Speaker 2: to the Nobel Piece group has been completely debunked since then.
Speaker 2: Not saying that the world is not getting warm, for sure,
Speaker 2: but to say that it's because of humans is at
Speaker 2: least in the scope that he was trying to make
Speaker 2: it out to be, is completely farcical. Now, if we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about humans putting bad chemicals in the air
Speaker 2: and in the water with you one hundred percent, we
Speaker 2: need to figure.
Speaker 3: That's your revolution, though, is absolutely horrific for environment.
Speaker 2: That's true, But he was saying that it was all
Speaker 2: about the carbon and the problem with that is if
Speaker 2: you were to take the entirety of the human existence
Speaker 2: on Earth and combine all of that into an amount
Speaker 2: of carbon that we have given to the earth. The
Speaker 2: active volcano in Hawaii puts more carbon into our atmosphere
Speaker 2: every year than humanity has done in the entire time
Speaker 2: that we have been around, and we've only been involved
Speaker 2: with heavy industry for the last two you could argue
Speaker 2: three hundred years. So the reality of it is that humans,
Speaker 2: as far as the carbon footprint goes to the earth,
Speaker 2: is a fart in the wind compared to multiple other
Speaker 2: sources that happen naturally every year. Now, that's not the
Speaker 2: same thing to the chemicals that we are spraying into
Speaker 2: the air. It's not the same to the chemicals or
Speaker 2: pumping into our water and into our soil.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, that and defortization. I mean you're talking about we
Speaker 3: are just destroying trees left and right. Yes, and that
Speaker 3: it's contributing to at least the pollution in the air,
Speaker 3: which it has factors to potentially raising the heat at
Speaker 3: least in the world overall climate. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I tend I've read a lot of stuff on both
Speaker 3: sides to it. I think that that we are naturally
Speaker 3: destroying a lot of the environment. We are more conscientious
Speaker 3: now though than the last hundred years of trying to
Speaker 3: at least reverse or protect something in the environment, But
Speaker 3: we still have decimated a lot of different ecosystems.
Speaker 2: Sure, but then you also look at that money's going, right,
Speaker 2: because it's all about the funding. You gotta follow the money.
Speaker 2: People shit on Trump for pulling out of the Paris
Speaker 2: Climba's Cord and the Green New Deal and all these things, right,
Speaker 2: but then whenever you look at it. Okay, so let's
Speaker 2: say that America was to do all these things and
Speaker 2: put in even harsher EPA regulations and all these things.
Speaker 2: The other nations on Earth that are involved in heavy
Speaker 2: industry have no EPA and they have no qualms about
Speaker 2: dumping all kinds of toxic sludge into the soil, into
Speaker 2: the water, into the air. So even if America was
Speaker 2: to like spearhead the operation of trying to take care
Speaker 2: of the earth, it's not gonna make that much of
Speaker 2: a difference on the global scale because other countries couldn't
Speaker 2: give a fuck less.
Speaker 3: Well, there is a guy in that has been fighting
Speaker 3: against the Gangi Kanji Gangee gange Gangee. Yeah, he is
Speaker 3: doing this whole thing and it's a huge it's a
Speaker 3: big project that they've been pushing and they've been fighting against.
Speaker 3: They actually have gotten regulations put on quite a few
Speaker 3: of the companies that have been actively dumping stuff into
Speaker 3: the GANGI and that's good. People are fighting back. People
Speaker 3: are trying to show not only are you impacting the
Speaker 3: entire environment, you're also impacting humans as well. You're causing
Speaker 3: a lot of health issues that happen. And same with
Speaker 3: the argument with pesticides. We know for a fact that
Speaker 3: there's been lots of lawsuits one over the amount of
Speaker 3: pesticides that have impacted people.
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 3: So that's it's just a conversation that people are consistently
Speaker 3: having trying to make their earth better. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: this weird argument though that like, at least we can
Speaker 3: acknowledge that we are impacting the earth, Like if you
Speaker 3: don't believe in climate change or you believe in those
Speaker 3: kind of narratives, at least acknowledge that, like maybe we
Speaker 3: are polluting a whole bunch of shit and we should
Speaker 3: probably try at least.
Speaker 2: To help it out. I can't disagree with that at all.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that we're having no effect on the earth,
Speaker 2: for sure. I'm saying that it's probably not to the
Speaker 2: scale that the media would have you believe because they
Speaker 2: want you to be in a state of crisis. They
Speaker 2: want you to believe that things are exponentially worse than
Speaker 2: they actually are. That being said, I you know, I
Speaker 2: believe that we should be involved in heavy industry, but
Speaker 2: I also believe that we should look at cleaner ways
Speaker 2: to be involved in heavy industry, not just US, every
Speaker 2: developed nation around the world. I, for one, would like
Speaker 2: to leave a clean earth for my sons to hunt
Speaker 2: in the same forest that I hunt growing up, right,
Speaker 2: fish in the same waters that I fished in. I
Speaker 2: would like to take my grandson fishing in the same
Speaker 2: by you that I grew up fishing in. Right, And
Speaker 2: that's only going to happen if we cultivate this world
Speaker 2: and our good stewards of this earth for future generations.
Speaker 2: I think there has to be some sort of a
Speaker 2: balance and.
Speaker 3: Maybe stop, you know, releasing invasive species into locations that
Speaker 3: shouldn't be. Like the apple snail.
Speaker 2: Those things are delicious.
Speaker 3: You can't eat them. They're poisonous. Sure that the eggs
Speaker 3: are poisonous, but the snail ain't. No, I'm not touching
Speaker 3: no damn apple boys. App I was like lsu is
Speaker 3: just put out, like ten articles, and they're hosting this
Speaker 3: whole thing about how to kill the apple snails and
Speaker 3: how you should properly dispose of the eggs. But that's
Speaker 3: another huge problem. And this whole situation with bees. I mean, yes,
Speaker 3: the European guy did introduce a nice bee into our population,
Speaker 3: but it still had an effect on the native bees
Speaker 3: here that originated in America first before the European bee
Speaker 3: came over. Everything has unfortunately, we are continuously doing things
Speaker 3: to try and quote better the population or just not
Speaker 3: giving a fuck and just I'm just gonna release this.
Speaker 3: And then we come to this whole situation of hey,
Speaker 3: are the bees actually dying? Is there? What reasons are happening?
Speaker 3: What's impacting these bees? Is it because we need more
Speaker 3: genetically modified bees? Do we need to get cyborg bees? Like?
Speaker 3: What is it that we need the little drone bees?
Speaker 2: Ah? And that's the other thing too. Even if let's
Speaker 2: say those drones are able to become mass produced and
Speaker 2: all these farms around the nation start using those as
Speaker 2: a way to try to save the bees, right, let's
Speaker 2: make it less work for the bees and tired. They're
Speaker 2: so tired. They've been working for one point six billion years.
Speaker 2: We give them a.
Speaker 3: Bit six weeks, but like, yes, but that's what the point.
Speaker 2: Beside the point, these hives keep dying. Don't anyone think
Speaker 2: of the children? That's all we're gonna fucking hear, right,
Speaker 2: So the drones are gonna take over.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The bees are not gonna be able to pollinate, they're
Speaker 2: not gonna be able to bring any of the pollen
Speaker 2: back to their hives. They're not gonna be able to
Speaker 2: make honey, and then we'll actually have a real genocide
Speaker 2: on our hands as far as bees are concerned. And
Speaker 2: the only solution will be more technology, more drones, more AI.
Speaker 2: Obviously we need that.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, that's the only way that we
Speaker 3: can survive any day in any way nowadays.
Speaker 2: Right. So with that being said, the gentleman that was
Speaker 2: speaking on that video that we just played, the one
Speaker 2: that was saying there's no actual science to back a
Speaker 2: lot of the claims that we're hearing. I did want
Speaker 2: to read one of the articles that he pulled up.
Speaker 2: This is from the Genetic Literacy Project, Science not Ideology,
Speaker 2: which is quite a bold claim. The b Apocalypse myth
Speaker 2: book or myth handbook, I should say, assessing claims of
Speaker 2: pollinator collapse. Now this is from March twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: but I think it's worth diving into. Let's see myths
Speaker 2: and truths about bees. There is no catastrophic decline in
Speaker 2: the global honeybee population, and the use of pesticides is
Speaker 2: not driving health problems challenging wild bees, as many environmental
Speaker 2: groups continue to claim. In fact, honeybee high populations are
Speaker 2: rising in North America and globally, and they have been
Speaker 2: growing in numbers for years. The or yeah the companion
Speaker 2: claim that a class of pesticides known as neonick andtenoids
Speaker 2: yeah neoonicks for short, are fostering a global honeybee pollinator
Speaker 2: crisis is also not accurate. However, honey bees are perhaps
Speaker 2: bumblebees whose wild nature makes them difficult to catalog do
Speaker 2: face a range of health threats that are serious calls
Speaker 2: for worry, and those issues needs to be addressed. So
Speaker 2: what are the facts. Let's talk about colony collapse disorder.
Speaker 2: The honeybee population did face what appeared to be a
Speaker 2: crisis in the mid two thousands, when some United States beekeepers,
Speaker 2: mostly in California, began discovering that their honeybees had mysteriously
Speaker 2: abandoned many of their colonies, leaving behind the queen bee
Speaker 2: attending by too few immature worker bees to sustain the colony,
Speaker 2: yet with ample viable brood and stored food. The first
Speaker 2: report case classified as CCD was in mid November of
Speaker 2: two thousand and six by a Pennsylvania bee keeper overwintering
Speaker 2: in Florida. By February two thousand and seven, large commercial
Speaker 2: migratory beekeepers wintering in California, Florida, Oklahoma, and Texas had
Speaker 2: reportedly heavy losses associated with CCD, with losses ranging from
Speaker 2: thirty percent to ninety percent of their bee colonies. This
Speaker 2: phenomenon was dubbed colony collapse disorder or how we were
Speaker 2: effectually referred to it as CCD. No, not Catholic Catechism
Speaker 2: were talking about colony collapse disorder. What made CCD's appearance
Speaker 2: in the United States stunning and alarming was that episodes
Speaker 2: are being reported from widely separate, separated states across the continent.
Speaker 2: At first, genetically modified crops and later neonicotsnoid pesticides were
Speaker 2: fingered by environmental groups and some entomologists as the presumed
Speaker 2: casual agents. At first, genetically modified crops and later neonickeots
Speaker 2: nooid pesticides were fingered by environmental groups and some entomologists
Speaker 2: as the presumed casual agents or causal agents, I should say,
Speaker 2: But when the B colonies were examined, the CCD diagnosis emerged.
Speaker 2: Scientists quickly dispensed of the GMO argument, as each GM
Speaker 2: crop is different and there is no plausible explanation why
Speaker 2: a phenomenon noted in one region of the US would
Speaker 2: not also show up in other regions or countries using
Speaker 2: similar modified crops. But the use of pesticides or neonick
Speaker 2: in particular cause or contribute to CCD in two thousand
Speaker 2: and six or it did it. The scientific consensus now
Speaker 2: firmly says no. CCD is a historically common occurrence that
Speaker 2: predated the introduction of genetically modified crops and modern pesticides.
Speaker 2: Upon further investigation, CCD was known to be a centuries old,
Speaker 2: periodic phenomenon that by other names, has occurred periodically for
Speaker 2: centuries in specific locations. Limited occurrences resembling CCD were fully
Speaker 2: documented as early as eighteen sixty nine, and on the
Speaker 2: Isle of Wit or White not sure, Yeah, the Isle
Speaker 2: of Wight in the UK in two thousand and six
Speaker 2: and also in other parts of Europe and Egypt. There
Speaker 2: were reports of similar b behaviors and hives in the
Speaker 2: US in nineteen eighteen and nineteen nineteen, and thereafter it
Speaker 2: eventually became more widely known as disappearing disease. The focus
Speaker 2: of the nicotinoids as a contributing factor is more complicated.
Speaker 2: Neonichs are a class of systemic pesticide introduced in the
Speaker 2: early nineteen nineties and popular in the US, Australia, Europe
Speaker 2: and elsewhere to protect corn, soy, cotton, and canola farms.
Speaker 2: They have been embraced as a less toxic rep replacement
Speaker 2: for organs organophosphates, pesticides, which can be either natural or synthetic,
Speaker 2: which are known to kill bees and wildlife and have
Speaker 2: been linked to health problems and workers apply to the
Speaker 2: soil sprayed on the crop, or most commonly used as
Speaker 2: a seed treatment. Neonichs are absorbed into the plant, which
Speaker 2: is ingested by insects, discouraging pests from wreaking havoc on crops.
Speaker 2: The seed treatment lowers the amount of neonich used from
Speaker 2: ten to twenty fold, decreasing the need for open spraying
Speaker 2: of the plant a genuine sustainability benefit. Many of the media, media,
Speaker 2: and activists critical of conventional agriculture often conflate be health
Speaker 2: problems linked to CCD with health issues encountered by the
Speaker 2: wild honeybee population. From nineteen seventy two to two thousand
Speaker 2: and six, serrous reductions in hives were documented among feral
Speaker 2: honeybees in the United States, and recent studies, though fragmentary,
Speaker 2: appeared to show scattered declines among wild bees. The precise
Speaker 2: cause of the most recent CCD incident remains undermined or undetermined.
Speaker 2: The most likely is the combinations of factors that affect
Speaker 2: honeybe colonies. Health more generally are involved. But CCD has
Speaker 2: now come and gone, and it has been many times
Speaker 2: over the centuries. According to the University of Maryland's Dennis
Speaker 2: Van ingles Drop, who was a part of the team
Speaker 2: that coined the modern term CCD, no case of CCD
Speaker 2: has been reported from the field for the last eight years.
Speaker 2: So even though half of the hives are dying, as
Speaker 2: you're saying, they're actually saying that this is not a
Speaker 2: case of CCD.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not happening. Anymore, which I didn't realize that
Speaker 3: it had happened multiple times to around the world, let
Speaker 3: alone here in America. And wonder people think it's aliens.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can see it now now I understand
Speaker 3: because I was like, wait a minute, that's what I
Speaker 3: was seeking. When I heard you say that, it was like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it's aliens.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're subducting.
Speaker 3: The aliens are just taking the hives. If they're just disappearing,
Speaker 3: where do they go, right, like straight up Antarctica.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they're going through the ice wall. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So our honey bees in decline simply said, honey bees
Speaker 2: are not on the verge of extinction or irreversible decline,
Speaker 2: and the world will not face mass starvation. That's scare rhetoric.
Speaker 2: As The Washington Post reported in two separate features in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, call of the bee Apocalypse, US honeybee colonies
Speaker 2: hit a twenty year high, and believe it or not,
Speaker 2: the bees are doing just fine, advocacy groups claim, amplified
Speaker 2: in thousands of new stories, but not all are wrong,
Speaker 2: but the direction of the media narrative, like the path
Speaker 2: of the quarter million ton ocean liner, was establish in
Speaker 2: the late two thousands and does not turn and does
Speaker 2: not turn that around easily, particularly when the it serves
Speaker 2: that's a weird way to write this sentence, Okay, particularly
Speaker 2: when it serves an ideological conclusion that conveniently helps in
Speaker 2: fundraising for those who promote it. As always, people follow
Speaker 2: the money, despite claims to the contrary. According to the
Speaker 2: Independent Be Informed Partnership overseen by the Gentleman from the
Speaker 2: Maryland University, overwinter mortality of honeybees has steadily declined since
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, which was the peak of CCD.
Speaker 2: In fact, honeybee populations aren't declining anywhere in the world,
Speaker 2: despite many media headlines, they're rising. According to statistics kept
Speaker 2: by the US Department of Agriculture, Statistics, Canada, and un
Speaker 2: Foods and Agricultural Organizations, honeybee populations in the United States, Canada,
Speaker 2: and Europe have been stable or growing for the last
Speaker 2: two decades neo nix have been on the market. Furthermore,
Speaker 2: the worldwide trajectory for b colonies has been on an
Speaker 2: upper trajectory for over half a century. Here are a
Speaker 2: few charts that illustrate the upward global trends that overlap
Speaker 2: the introduction and use since the nineteen nineties of Neo nix,
Speaker 2: the central target of the anti chemical environmental groups. So
Speaker 2: for those that are just listening here, you could basically
Speaker 2: see that the population in nineteen sixty one was fifty million,
Speaker 2: the population in twenty sixteen was ninety million. That's and
Speaker 2: I'm not that's be high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beehive which.
Speaker 2: That's pretty insane. Honey production it's been Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: little higher now, but it's it's pretty much been flatlined.
Speaker 2: Canada honeybee colonies is up. European it went from about
Speaker 2: eleven million to just over twelve million worldwide b colonies.
Speaker 2: That's the chart that I read earlier. That was fifty million,
Speaker 2: and now it's eighty five. Well, was eighty five and
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, it's even higher now. Data produced by the EU,
Speaker 2: US and independent global agencies have not dissuaded many environmental
Speaker 2: groups from their fundraising campaigns featuring vulnerable bees. For example,
Speaker 2: over the much of the past decade, the Sierra Club,
Speaker 2: while requesting donations, sent out flyers highlighting the quote unquote
Speaker 2: fact that neo nicks kill honeybees. This is a direct
Speaker 2: quote from them. Bees had a devastating year, forty four
Speaker 2: percent of colonies killed, and bear and Syngenta are still
Speaker 2: flooding your land with bee killing toxic Neonik pesticides now
Speaker 2: among the most widely used crop sprays in the country. Finally,
Speaker 2: after multiple skulls from entomologists, Sierra Club retreated doing a
Speaker 2: Gish got gallop acknowledging that while honey bees are fine,
Speaker 2: wild bees are under siege and unchallengeable hypothesis since by
Speaker 2: their very nature, wild bee populations cannot be accurately tracked
Speaker 2: or measured. So they said, Okay, fine, maybe it's not
Speaker 2: the farm bees, but bees and the wild are under siege.
Speaker 2: There's nothing to back that claim, but they're running with
Speaker 2: it because again, follow the money, follow the money. Honeybees
Speaker 2: are at no risk of dying, while diseases, parasites, and
Speaker 2: other threats are certainly real problems for beekeepers. A total
Speaker 2: number of managed honeybees worldwide has risen forty five percent
Speaker 2: over the last century. Wow, And I think there's something
Speaker 2: to be said for that too. I feel like there's
Speaker 2: so many people that have bee boxes on their farms
Speaker 2: or in their yards now that thirty years ago that
Speaker 2: was like that was crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's become a real hobby situation. They a
Speaker 3: lot of people like to do it, and it's definitely
Speaker 3: picking up momentum.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Okay, So jumping ahead in the article a little
Speaker 2: bit here again, if everybody wants to find it on
Speaker 2: their own, it's the Genetic Literacy Project. Bees are under
Speaker 2: serious stress. Citing the growing number of beehives in North
Speaker 2: America or globally does not speak directly to the issue
Speaker 2: of be health and can be misleading. The honeybee industry
Speaker 2: is coping with the situation, but health challenges are real
Speaker 2: and in need of a number of wild bumblebee species
Speaker 2: also may be in decline, but there is so far
Speaker 2: no clear evidence of a widespread threat. Considering that the
Speaker 2: status of so many species is unknown and little tracking
Speaker 2: data exists, there is an increasing concern that wild bees
Speaker 2: are in fact facing epidemics spread by commercial honeybee populations.
Speaker 2: According to the USDA, by far the number one problem
Speaker 2: is the Vara destructor might which we learned about that earlier,
Speaker 2: which the agency calls the single most detrimental pest of honeybees,
Speaker 2: And we already talked about that earlier. Kind of how
Speaker 2: they spread and what they do to bees and all
Speaker 2: these things. But like we talked about, there are labs
Speaker 2: that are trying to genetically modify bees to be able
Speaker 2: to fight back against them like snift sniff mountain eat
Speaker 2: the legs off of them and shit.
Speaker 3: I mean that's pretty cool. I do like the sugar
Speaker 3: the sugar thing that they did to get them and
Speaker 3: to figure out if they need to actually spray down
Speaker 3: the collin or not. I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Very true. But then you're talking about spraying down the
Speaker 2: with I mean, sugar gets them off at that one time,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't get it out of like the larva.
Speaker 3: But then it also said that they are again adapting
Speaker 3: and they're learning how to clean themselves and groom themselves
Speaker 3: for the first time, and that they're actually doing this
Speaker 3: now that they have certain bees that have decided that
Speaker 3: this is their task, they are going to room everybody.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So let's see lab versus field. Realistic studies and
Speaker 2: real life experience demonstrate pesticides mbs coexist. So what about
Speaker 2: the dozens of studies that have come out over the
Speaker 2: past dozen years linking neonis and other pesticides too large
Speaker 2: scale be losses. Important research is being done both in
Speaker 2: the field and in laboratories. What is the consensus. While
Speaker 2: neonicks have been implicated by numerous lab studies, scientists view
Speaker 2: those studies as informative but not definitive. The state of
Speaker 2: the arts are field research. There have been more than
Speaker 2: a dozen large scale field studies, mostly focused on honeybees,
Speaker 2: several on bumblebees, all foraging in neonick treated crops, four
Speaker 2: in Canada, one in the UK, and eight in Europe,
Speaker 2: the most most using good lab practices. They all reach
Speaker 2: similar conclusions. There are no conclusive observable adverse effects on
Speaker 2: bees at the colony level from field realistic exposure to
Speaker 2: neonicotoid treatment crops.
Speaker 3: Wow huh, but I mean what does that do to humans?
Speaker 2: Though? I mean ivape and nicotine is not harmful to humans.
Speaker 2: A lot of our vegetables actually have nicotine in them naturally,
Speaker 2: like tomato. Yeah, which I looked more heavily into that.
Speaker 2: I was curious, right, I saw somebody, some labs saying that,
Speaker 2: like in your garden, most of the vegetables have nicotine
Speaker 2: in them. One of the highest culprits quote unquote would
Speaker 2: be tomatoes. So I was curious if you were to
Speaker 2: take like tomato leaves and dry them out and like
Speaker 2: roll a cigarette with it. I'm just curious, would that
Speaker 2: give you a uh, would satiate the nicotine craving? Just curious.
Speaker 2: The answer is no, I know, shocker to the chagrin
Speaker 2: of literally no one. Yeah, that might be the highest
Speaker 2: nicotine yield in your garden, it is not a high
Speaker 2: enough yield to where you're going to eat enough tomatoes
Speaker 2: to satiate your need for a joe. So just to
Speaker 2: work clear on that, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 3: I know, so shocked shockus, yep.
Speaker 2: But that being said, so what does nicotine do to
Speaker 2: the humans? Nothing, as far as from the research and
Speaker 2: the science goes. At least two other recent field type studies,
Speaker 2: led by scientists known for their sharp criticism of the
Speaker 2: use of neoniks, support these findings. Their studies aim to
Speaker 2: document ever more subtle, sub lethal effects on either honey
Speaker 2: bees or bumblebees forging in neonick treated crops, including learning, navigation,
Speaker 2: and motor function impairments in individual bees. Both studies also
Speaker 2: report no observable adverse effects at the colony level to
Speaker 2: field realistic neo nic exposure. So there are real problems
Speaker 2: that bees are facing one hundred percent. And I'm not
Speaker 2: even saying that humans are not the cause of these
Speaker 2: there things. You're going to be said for that, but
Speaker 2: to say that the way that the media is spinning it,
Speaker 2: and the way that certain content creators are spinning it
Speaker 2: is to say that humans are the reason, and it's
Speaker 2: because of the pesticides, it's because we needed to look
Speaker 2: at more organic means and all these things. There may
Speaker 2: be a crumb of truth to it, but not to
Speaker 2: the level into the scale that we have been led
Speaker 2: to believe.
Speaker 3: I think that I wonder because the narrative has shifted
Speaker 3: over the last eight months so dramatically, what has also
Speaker 3: been taking place over the last like, you know, eight
Speaker 3: months a year. I think it plays a lot into
Speaker 3: the politics, a lot into the laws that are being passed.
Speaker 3: Each state takes upon and their own laws to protect
Speaker 3: the bee population, and that also plays into the industrial
Speaker 3: you know, people that are around here, we have syingena
Speaker 3: here and a lot of like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: environmental stuff that's being pushed and actually got xed out here.
Speaker 3: That's a huge issue for us. But how does that
Speaker 3: impact what's happening with the bees? What narratives is being pushed.
Speaker 3: Clearly they're from two different sides. Either the bees are
Speaker 3: all dying and we're going to be screwed, or we
Speaker 3: are good and the bees are actually thriving and everything
Speaker 3: will be okay. I think that also plays into the
Speaker 3: agricultural and how much our food is going to cost.
Speaker 3: So if the narrative is or if it's you know,
Speaker 3: the bees are actively dying in the commercial stutting, then
Speaker 3: our food cost is going to go up where we
Speaker 3: potentially could have a food desert. And you know, it
Speaker 3: all plays and ties into each other. Big Pharma has
Speaker 3: its hand and everything, every single thing possible, including the
Speaker 3: past sides. The pesticide companies we know, without a shadow
Speaker 3: of a doubt, are cool with poisoning us. Yeah, are
Speaker 3: cool with buying up the pills and everything we need,
Speaker 3: Like you know the Sigenta where they did the frog experiment. Hey,
Speaker 3: that these frogs are in fact going to get breast
Speaker 3: cancer and test sicular cancer, what are they do They
Speaker 3: go out and buy all the medication to help it.
Speaker 3: So clearly this is a much larger issue, but at
Speaker 3: least we could shine some light on the different conspiracies
Speaker 3: around it, the different things that are being said about it,
Speaker 3: and people can make an informed decision from there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think you're onto something. They're also right
Speaker 2: now As of time of recording, it's the beginning of November.
Speaker 2: But what happened about eight maybe nine months ago that
Speaker 2: might have spawned this new conversation for this year? Right,
Speaker 2: Trump gets into office and he starts pulling out of
Speaker 2: all these environmental deals. People are pissed, some people are excited,
Speaker 2: some people are pissed. Awesome, Then he starts cutting funding
Speaker 2: to these for by his own emission, frivolous expenditures, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering how money. How many of those frivolous
Speaker 2: expenditures quote unquote were environmental and nature And I remember
Speaker 2: quite a few of them that we even talked about
Speaker 2: on the show that Doe sh had found. One of them.
Speaker 2: There was a study being done by was it Alabama
Speaker 2: U where they were seeing how much of a leaf
Speaker 2: blower would it take to knock a lizard off a tree.
Speaker 2: They got like a quarter million dollars of funding to
Speaker 2: conduct that research. Okay, and that's listed under environmental Gotta
Speaker 2: protect lizards and all these things. So with cutting of
Speaker 2: the funding to all these different research groups, I could
Speaker 2: imagine a world conspiratorially, of course, where these environmental groups
Speaker 2: are making a push a scream in a direction to
Speaker 2: try to gain more funding. And it's an old narrative
Speaker 2: that they have been talking about for decades.
Speaker 3: I could see that I can see them using this,
Speaker 3: and especially this is a really good fear tactic. I mean,
Speaker 3: food and water are our main things that people will
Speaker 3: lose their absolute minds.
Speaker 2: Over, especially now as everybody is so worried about their
Speaker 2: snap benefits get taken away and all these things. They're
Speaker 2: talking about how they're gonna have people looting stores just
Speaker 2: for food and all that. We're talking about not just
Speaker 2: food abundance as far as what you're able to find
Speaker 2: on your shelf. We're talking about the potential of farms
Speaker 2: to not be able to produce crops if the bees
Speaker 2: go out.
Speaker 3: Yes, but the same energy is not being held. Right.
Speaker 3: But this is definitely one of those scenes that they
Speaker 3: can use as fear tactics. They can change the narrative
Speaker 3: and what they want people to use, what they don't want,
Speaker 3: you know, the the what is it they're creating those
Speaker 3: lab grown meats. The oh god, they cut three D
Speaker 3: printed meats.
Speaker 2: Right, So that's so fucking nasty. Like in theory that
Speaker 2: sounds fucking gross.
Speaker 3: It does sound really gross, but that it plays into it.
Speaker 3: You know, if you don't have enough lad and you
Speaker 3: don't have enough green, you don't have enough stuff to
Speaker 3: feed the animals, we won't be able to make more.
Speaker 3: So then it's like this vicious cycle of well, this
Speaker 3: is what we need to do, and so people are afraid.
Speaker 3: People will bow down and do whatever it needs they,
Speaker 3: you know, what they need to do to be able
Speaker 3: to get food and water for their families. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting timing that we were finally
Speaker 3: gaining I remember seeing all sorts of stuff on Facebook.
Speaker 3: You know, the bees are coming back, everything's great, and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, you know, a few months later,
Speaker 3: everything is dying, and it's like, okay, So.
Speaker 2: Those two things can't be true at the same time.
Speaker 3: I mean, it could be a sense of maybe wild
Speaker 3: bee population, but I didn't remember reading about wild bees.
Speaker 3: It just said bees, so.
Speaker 2: That could be true too. It could be but again
Speaker 2: I have with the article how right, how are you
Speaker 2: measuring the wild bee population that's out there. When you have,
Speaker 2: give or take fifty million hives in this country of
Speaker 2: wild bees, and that's a rough estimate, there's no way
Speaker 2: of tracking every one of those.
Speaker 3: I mean, the qualitative and quantitative data for that would
Speaker 3: be damn near impossible to track. I mean unless they
Speaker 3: really were buckled and tripled down on actually finding a
Speaker 3: single bee for each hive and then following it back
Speaker 3: and then getting more bees for each hive. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just don't see how that they could track if it
Speaker 3: was actually impacting the native wild bees versus the commercial bees. Yes,
Speaker 3: you're actively checking all the time.
Speaker 2: I just it sounds to me like if you were
Speaker 2: a doctor and you told your patient, by the way,
Speaker 2: you're doing healthier than ever, but also by the way,
Speaker 2: you have heart.
Speaker 3: Cancer and page four cancer.
Speaker 2: Right, So wait, hold on, what bro, don't worry. I
Speaker 2: got these one studies over here saying that you were
Speaker 2: the epitome of health, you've never been better. And I
Speaker 2: got these other studies they are saying you have six
Speaker 2: months to live and there's nothing we could do about it.
Speaker 2: So I guess we'll just.
Speaker 3: See how that's actually pretty much where they did with
Speaker 3: my grandma, not even joking you. So they kept telling
Speaker 3: her that she was the epitome of health and that
Speaker 3: there was nothing wrong with her. She was super healthy,
Speaker 3: everything was fucking awesome. But she kept having symptoms that
Speaker 3: just didn't make sense. And I kept being like, you
Speaker 3: need to go in, you need to get rechecked. Finally,
Speaker 3: I like I harbored on her enough, she decided to
Speaker 3: go in and just happened to see a different doctor
Speaker 3: that day. Yeah, and she was like, I you know,
Speaker 3: this is what's going on with me, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: They do some labs and a week later they have
Speaker 3: her come in and they're like, so we have something
Speaker 3: to tell you, and she's like, okay, she had stage
Speaker 3: four cancer.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: She died less than two months later.
Speaker 2: So her doctors would did they know and didn't tell her?
Speaker 2: Or were they incompetent.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't really know.
Speaker 3: They did heavily push for vaccines with her, and they
Speaker 3: were like, you must take these vaccine, but they would
Speaker 3: tell her. She even read me the report and it
Speaker 3: said you're the epitome of health for eighty eight years old.
Speaker 3: She'd died less than two months later from stage four cancer.
Speaker 2: Now, I have no idea how fast cancer can take you.
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on the type of cancer, right,
Speaker 2: But you don't go from being completely fine to stage
Speaker 2: four in two months, do you.
Speaker 3: I mean, she had had to have had this for
Speaker 3: a good long while. The symptoms that she had had
Speaker 3: were for over two years at least, and I kept
Speaker 3: telling her, like, something's not right. She would go in,
Speaker 3: she would get all the blood labs done, she would
Speaker 3: tell a doctor. The doctor would prescribe her more medication,
Speaker 3: and he's like, you're.
Speaker 2: Trying the symptoms rather than treating the actual issues.
Speaker 3: She's like, you're fine. I don't understand. You're doing fine.
Speaker 3: Everything's coming back positive. You look great, you're losing weight,
Speaker 3: you look awesome, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: That's losing weight is not always a positive.
Speaker 3: But the thing but the thing about it was is
Speaker 3: that she was losing weight, but she had a distinded
Speaker 3: so it means her stomach was really pushed out. And
Speaker 3: it was like, if you would have just taken twenty
Speaker 3: minutes to like really look at her and listen, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know she would have survived. But she would
Speaker 3: have had a higher chance of being able to fight it.
Speaker 3: At that point, there was no fighting it. She got
Speaker 3: home to Oregon and died within less than two weeks
Speaker 3: of me being in there, and it was just it
Speaker 3: was then they told us we had eight months plus.
Speaker 3: But the medical system is as Kaiser in it. No,
Speaker 3: she didn't have Kaiser with She lived in Idaho and
Speaker 3: then moved to Oregon, but she, you know, had It
Speaker 3: was just crazy how they just kind of brush you off.
Speaker 3: My favorite line that they tell old people is you've
Speaker 3: lived a good life. You're sixty or sixty years old,
Speaker 3: You've lived enough good for you. We're not going to
Speaker 3: help you. They said that to my dad as well
Speaker 3: when he was dying. He's lived a good life he was.
Speaker 3: I was like, he's not even like sixty five years old, Like,
Speaker 3: what are we talking about here? Wow, But that's kind
Speaker 3: of the same thing. Like you've they just kind of
Speaker 3: push you off and here's some medication, here's this, and
Speaker 3: just keep on going.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely horwindous m h. But I mean again, I'm
Speaker 2: of the belief that it's more of a follow the
Speaker 2: money with that as well.
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent, the medical industry is tied heavily
Speaker 3: into big pharma, and big pharma rules the world and
Speaker 3: it rules our food. In this whole situation with bees,
Speaker 3: it definitely pleays into it because as we were looking
Speaker 3: at articles and the groups that are participating in these experiments,
Speaker 3: they were obviously attached to big Pharma and they're obviously
Speaker 3: I'm sure if we spent longer, we could probably trace
Speaker 3: even more of the investors and go back into good
Speaker 3: old Bill Gates and everybody else.
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