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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, thats are.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to the Cult of Conspiracy. I am Jacob.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. Jonathan is out of pocket for

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<v Speaker 2>this particular episode, so my amazing friend and co host

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<v Speaker 2>Raven Lee is gonna be filling in the gap on

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<v Speaker 2>this one. And as a matter of fact, she's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that brought this next topic to me. We were

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<v Speaker 2>doing some things, taking down some Halloween decorations, and the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation came up about mosquito trucks and how the sprays

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<v Speaker 2>that they are doing is getting into certain plants and

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<v Speaker 2>that is affecting bee populations, and that kind of started

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<v Speaker 2>the thought process of how we got down our certain

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole, and my god, where we ended up was

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<v Speaker 2>completely like the mosquito truck conversation has gone by the wayside.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything else that we found out about this led to just, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, we're all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, lots of b conversations and lots of weird kind

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, back and forth between everything we had found.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing says one thing and the other thing. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just everything's contradicting each other.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we pretty much found that depending on the

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<v Speaker 2>source that you find and depending on when that source

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<v Speaker 2>was written or recorded, you're gonna get two very different

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<v Speaker 2>narres to to start off trying to figure out about

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<v Speaker 2>pollination and bees in general, and then we realized that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a conflicting argument going on here. There are

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<v Speaker 2>certain publications that are saying that the bee population is

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<v Speaker 2>thriving and doing better than ever. I remember back mid

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<v Speaker 2>twenty tens, there was this big push to where we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna lose all the bees in our country, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were telling everybody to go outside and plant wildflowers in

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<v Speaker 2>their backyards to help the bee population reproduce, which is excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Next thing, you know, we fixed it. We saved the bees.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember even hearing that Morgan Freeman bought was

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<v Speaker 2>like four hundred acres, four hundred thousand, it's some crazy

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<v Speaker 2>amount of land strictly to have wildflowers to help the

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<v Speaker 2>natural bee population just repopulate itself. And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>the bees are back and we're doing great, good job, everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>big pats on the back all the way around. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we're hearing that, oh, yeah, give it another twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years and we're just gonna have no bees whatsoever. And

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time, we're hearing that these two

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<v Speaker 2>conflicting stories are being said at the exact same time

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<v Speaker 2>even today. So there seems to be a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>misunderstandings and a lot of controversy surrounding what the truth

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<v Speaker 2>is on bee populations, you know, and not just in

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<v Speaker 2>the country, but in the world. So we decided to

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<v Speaker 2>do a little bit of digging on this, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna play a couple of videos that we found.

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<v Speaker 2>without further ado, let's hear the two conflicting narratives as

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<v Speaker 2>it pertains to the bee population in this country.

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<v Speaker 4>More honeybees died in the US last year than in

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<v Speaker 4>any other year in recorded history, and we don't exactly

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<v Speaker 4>know why. A new study shows that over sixty percent

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<v Speaker 4>of the bees kept by commercial beekeepers didn't survive the winter,

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<v Speaker 4>making this the largest honeybee colony loss in US history.

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<v Speaker 4>And viewer bees isn't just a serious problem for bees

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<v Speaker 4>and beekeepers. It's a serious problem for every person on

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<v Speaker 4>the planet. Honey bees pollinate many of the fruits, vegetables,

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<v Speaker 4>and nuts that we and other animals eat, and without bees,

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<v Speaker 4>many of these plants would struggle to grow or would

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<v Speaker 4>disappear completely. Fewer bees means less pollination, less biodiversity, and

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<v Speaker 4>less food for every person on Earth. Scientists and beekeepers

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<v Speaker 4>are working together to figure out why so many bees

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<v Speaker 4>died last year. But the truth is that one of

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest problems bees face is US humans. Through climate change,

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<v Speaker 4>habitat destruction, and industrial agriculture, we are destroying the plants

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<v Speaker 4>and places that bees rely on for food. But the

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<v Speaker 4>good news is that everyone can help bees by doing

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<v Speaker 4>one simple thing. Plant more flowering plants, bushes and trees

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<v Speaker 4>for bees. Native plants are always best, and every bloom

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<v Speaker 4>makes a difference. And if we all work together, we

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<v Speaker 4>can make every day another great day of saving the bees.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, first of all, her hardss'es into her microphone was

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<v Speaker 2>a bit rough, but okay, I get it. Secondly, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is from Texas bee Works, shouts out, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is a influencer YouTuber, TikToker beekeeper, so of course

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<v Speaker 2>she is going to have a certain side of the

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<v Speaker 2>narrative that she pushes the most, and that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're gonna hear that be a reoccurring theme that

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<v Speaker 2>it's because of climate change, it's because of industrial agriculture,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because of the destruction of natural habitat, their natural

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<v Speaker 2>habitat destruction, right exactly, and also a shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>her for being an og with it.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, yeah, just grabbing all the bees byre with

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<v Speaker 3>her hand. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>That's borderline sociopathic behavior. She's out there in a short

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<v Speaker 2>sleeve shirt and jeans, no mask on or anything. She

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<v Speaker 2>scooping bees up with her hand, just lottied on.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever watched the guy and girl they're like

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<v Speaker 3>a husband and wife couple, and they go and he'll

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<v Speaker 3>have like ten thousand bees that he just grabs with

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<v Speaker 3>his hands and like scoops him in boxes and like

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<v Speaker 3>there's no anything that he's using. He's just out there

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<v Speaker 3>grabbing the bees. And I'm like, I guess, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess the sociopaths. I feel the same way about people

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<v Speaker 2>that handle snakes. They're fucking sociopaths. But I know that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a weird one on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>But whatever, sneaks are awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, respectfully, I disagree the nope ropes are not

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<v Speaker 2>my jam. But anyway, all right, So this is a

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<v Speaker 2>narrative that you're gonna hear pushed a lot by the

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<v Speaker 2>people that are saying that we need to save the

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<v Speaker 2>bees and that all of them are dying all these things. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>she just said that half of the bee hives did

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<v Speaker 2>not survive the winter. Now we listen to this guy

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<v Speaker 2>who this video was posted just a few months prior

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<v Speaker 2>to what she posted, and it spins it completely different narrative.

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<v Speaker 5>Listen in thees, do you remember seeing headlines about bees disappearing?

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<v Speaker 5>What really happened?

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<v Speaker 2>For years?

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<v Speaker 5>Honey bees had been dying off in droves, and no

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<v Speaker 5>one really seemed to know why. There were a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of worries about what that could mean for farmers. Pesticides

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<v Speaker 5>and global warming got some of the blame, so did

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<v Speaker 5>creepier things like the varrow mighte and a mysterious disease

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<v Speaker 5>known as colony collapse disorder. The bee pockalypse was probably

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<v Speaker 5>caused by some combination of those things.

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<v Speaker 6>But here's the good news.

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<v Speaker 5>Bees didn't go extinct for the same reason that we

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<v Speaker 5>don't worry about cows and chickens going extinct, because they

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<v Speaker 5>are super valuable to humans. When the bees were dying

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<v Speaker 5>in huge numbers, commercial beekeepers responded by building more colonies,

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<v Speaker 5>and since bees are essential to pollinating a wide range

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<v Speaker 5>of crops almonds, especially, farmers had a strong incentive to

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<v Speaker 5>help save the bees too.

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<v Speaker 6>So the beepocalypse is over.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, America now has a record number of bees

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<v Speaker 5>and the number of bee colonies is up thirty one

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<v Speaker 5>percent since two thousand and seven according to the USDA.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're getting reports saying that the bee hives

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<v Speaker 2>are up thirty percent in the last twenty years and

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<v Speaker 2>that we have now more bee hives and bees than

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<v Speaker 2>we ever have before in reten history. Meanwhile, we have

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<v Speaker 2>the other narrative saying that the bee population has suffered

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<v Speaker 2>more losses than they ever have throughout human history. So

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<v Speaker 2>you see why we decided that this was what we

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<v Speaker 2>needed to run on with this episode. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>wild things. But anyway, so with all this being said,

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<v Speaker 2>Raven has done a good deep dive into some of

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<v Speaker 2>the notes on this, and to be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea that we had half African hybrid

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<v Speaker 2>bees that were pretty much taking over this continent. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the bees that are in question to all this conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>So the narrative.

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<v Speaker 5>So, in.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixteen twenty two, an English settler decided to bring over

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<v Speaker 3>European honey bees to America. John Before then, there was

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<v Speaker 3>four thousand species of bees already native here. When brought

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<v Speaker 3>them over. They're super docile bees. They're not aggressive, they're

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<v Speaker 3>very actually, they're very sweet bees. And so they got

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<v Speaker 3>along and integrated really well throughout the continent. They did

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<v Speaker 3>really good. It's estimated that we have about two point

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<v Speaker 3>five million hives right now and about fifty billion bees.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's not strictly honey bees, is it, No? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I watched something earlier that was saying, like, of

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<v Speaker 2>the four thousand species that we have native to North America,

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<v Speaker 2>there are some they had it like sitting on top

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<v Speaker 2>of a dime. One of them I thought was actually

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<v Speaker 2>a blue ant and it's like the smallest bee that

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<v Speaker 2>we have in this continent. And then the other one

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<v Speaker 2>was a carpenter bee, which was the largest, and then

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<v Speaker 2>thing took over the dime.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a whole bunch of different varieties, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>averaging around fifty billion bees, which they all of them

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<v Speaker 3>do different things when it comes to pollination, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>certain plants that only certain bees will go to and

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<v Speaker 3>seen with butterflies, seen with bats. There's actually like two

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<v Speaker 3>lizards that help pollinate stuff too. There's a couple lemurs

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<v Speaker 3>help pollinate. There's some random animals that help pollinate and

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<v Speaker 3>help actually spread, just kind of like how birds will

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<v Speaker 3>be able to transfer seeds all over locations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that too, as far as a pollination goes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's two types of birds that they brought up. One

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<v Speaker 2>was the orioles and the other one was a hummingbird,

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<v Speaker 2>which the hummingbird makes sense to me, right, Their diet

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<v Speaker 2>is consistently off of nectar, so it makes sense that

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<v Speaker 2>they would help in the pollination process. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see the other bird species getting in on that conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so there is other pollinators out there beside

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<v Speaker 2>the bee, But I would speculate that the bee is

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<v Speaker 2>doing the lion's share of the work when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to the pollination conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>They're doing the most work, They're doing the most leg work.

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<v Speaker 3>They all they do all day long is pollinate where

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<v Speaker 3>the other ones it's in sections of time, and so

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<v Speaker 3>like at night with the bats, they only pollinate during

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<v Speaker 3>that time, so it's not the same as going like

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<v Speaker 2>So I heard the bees don't sting at night. Have

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's because of the African high bred gene.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I can't speak to naturally what they're doing, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>bees pollinate during the daylight hours for sure. But I

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<v Speaker 2>at night and lo and behold with no smoker, no nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, you got lit up. That was beautiful. It was

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<v Speaker 2>so great. But anyway, yeah, so as far as the

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<v Speaker 2>nighttime pollination goes, it makes sense the bats would enter

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<v Speaker 3>So the well, the bees that you're talking about that

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<v Speaker 3>seeing it's actually the native bees aren't aggressive and the

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<v Speaker 3>European bees really don't sting. It's the African bloodline the

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<v Speaker 3>gene that are the ones that sing. So in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>work longer, and produce more. In theory, it was a

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<v Speaker 3>this hybrid. The problem is they had a few dozen

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<v Speaker 3>of the bees escape and from there it they have

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<v Speaker 3>traveled through the Amazon, through South America up to North America.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was the year he was doing the gene

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<v Speaker 2>splicing again, seven fifty seven. You know what. We just

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<v Speaker 2>the government is doing gene splicing with insects and that

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<v Speaker 2>they have been for a very long time Operation Big

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<v Speaker 2>Itch in Operation Big Buzz when they air dropped bombs

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a thing that's been around for decades and

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<v Speaker 3>the whole conversation like with Bill Gates and then genetically

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<v Speaker 3>modifying those kind of bugs, and it's been a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just getting better at creating right different type of superbugs.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing that most people don't understand that

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<v Speaker 2>like gene splicing technology labs that are literally messing with

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<v Speaker 2>the genetic code of species. That's not a new thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not something that came around only in the past

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<v Speaker 2>couple of decades. They've been doing this. This was Cold

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<v Speaker 2>War era technology and funding that was going into gene

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<v Speaker 2>splicing insects for different reasons. The bees, I could understand it,

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<v Speaker 2>being that they wanted to make the agriculture stronger, and

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<v Speaker 2>I completely get that. But then when they were talking

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<v Speaker 2>like the mosquitos and the ticks and all that, that

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<v Speaker 2>was for weaponizing them. But during that same timeframe fifty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy Warwick in Brazil was gene splicing half African

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<v Speaker 2>and half European or half American European beings.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, because the European.

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<v Speaker 2>Beats they got here in the fifteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they got here sixteen twenty two. Because when they

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<v Speaker 3>got here, but they were they're very sweet kind of

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<v Speaker 3>bees and very dociles, so they're easily manipulated. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>their genes are quite easy to share with other ones.

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<v Speaker 3>Later on in the conversation, that's where like the African,

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<v Speaker 3>not the African, the Asian bee and the European bee

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<v Speaker 3>are having trouble with the same might because the might

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<v Speaker 3>was able to transfer between the two because their genes

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>So in nineteen ninety, Texas confirmed the first ever cases

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<v Speaker 3>of Africanized bees in their location. So they started having

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you remember this when we were younger,

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<v Speaker 3>but they started having all these commercials and all this

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<v Speaker 3>stuff go on on TV about Africanized bees. These bees

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<v Speaker 3>are attacking people, they're attacking places, and all these bees

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<v Speaker 3>are swarming and people are dying from them and they're

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<v Speaker 3>having all these issues. So this is the bee that

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<v Speaker 3>this all of the st from.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And I mean I feel like most of us

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<v Speaker 2>can remember whether it was a commercial or that movie

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<v Speaker 2>where Macaulay Culkin died because he got sworn by these

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<v Speaker 2>African killer bees that just happened to be in America,

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<v Speaker 2>or even a Boy Meets World episode which I actually

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<v Speaker 2>have pulled up as a matter of fact, and most

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<v Speaker 2>people probably heard this, and at the time it was

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of a part of the cultural zeitguy, so

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<v Speaker 2>nobody really questioned anything beyond it. Just those you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those African killer bees they're making their way around. No

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<v Speaker 2>one thought any more about it. And no, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to the whole killer hornet or whatever that thing

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<v Speaker 2>was that they said was going to be the new

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<v Speaker 2>Apocalypse a couple of years ago in the nineties. This episode, right,

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<v Speaker 2>this episode that we're about to play, was aired in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine, and even then they were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of a crazy African killer bee conversation. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's only three and a half minutes, but

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<v Speaker 2>let's take a little blast to the past to boy

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<v Speaker 2>meets World.

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<v Speaker 7>George, what.

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<v Speaker 8>This.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do this.

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<v Speaker 8>You believe them when they told me, But it's hard

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<v Speaker 8>to argue with something that's right in front of your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're just as shocked as you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Dean.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, look, this is insane.

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<v Speaker 6>Put the brain down.

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<v Speaker 7>In Heaven's name were you thinking of when you did this?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 6>They did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, mister Feeney, we are insulted.

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<v Speaker 6>Sean and I have been upstairs selling muffins for the underprivileged.

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<v Speaker 8>They were down here with me, Tapanga.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't lie for him.

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<v Speaker 7>Where was he?

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<v Speaker 2>He's been selling muffins all day.

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<v Speaker 9>So Sean, we're legitimate.

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<v Speaker 7>Now why did you do this? George?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 7>You know something, Dean.

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<v Speaker 10>This was simply just an act of love culminating in

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<v Speaker 10>an act of analyism.

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<v Speaker 3>And it actually happens all the.

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<v Speaker 7>Time, an active love. Was this an act of love?

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<v Speaker 3>George?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yep, all right, nobody moves.

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<v Speaker 7>Where's my bee? B what be my bee?

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<v Speaker 6>It's my discovery.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, it's an aga que and be.

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<v Speaker 6>I've been searching for it for years, Curtis, you've been

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<v Speaker 6>out of town a little too long.

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<v Speaker 7>Those African killer bees are swarming all over the country.

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<v Speaker 9>They're doing Philly next Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 6>This bee has a reverse migration pattern. We make that

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<v Speaker 6>species with the killer bees that are already here.

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<v Speaker 7>They start migrating back where they originated from, saving thousands

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<v Speaker 7>of lives that could be rich.

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<v Speaker 3>It's to me, everybody, I'll kill it.

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<v Speaker 5>No, don't touch that.

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<v Speaker 6>Bee, Curtis.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 6>The statue of King Haafaratu you gave me for our

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<v Speaker 6>anniversary it's broken. The hell with the statue.

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<v Speaker 2>The stuff is nothing but junk compared to that bee.

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<v Speaker 3>This is chunk.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't move.

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<v Speaker 2>The bee's on you.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, Curtis, you know I'm allergic to bees, So you

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<v Speaker 8>puff up for a little while.

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<v Speaker 6>This is my nobel prize.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't think so, Curtis, Oh, shouts out to Boymet's World.

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely love that show.

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<v Speaker 3>Same. I watched every episode everything. I love it so much.

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<v Speaker 2>But you heard what they were saying, The African bees

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<v Speaker 2>are swarming all over the country, Like, yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what you're talking about in this whole Well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a reversal thing. If we could do that and mix

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<v Speaker 2>it with the African bees that are already here. These

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<v Speaker 2>whole things about African killer bees all over North America.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a part of the cultural zeitgeist for at

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<v Speaker 2>least half of the nineties. And so you're saying that

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<v Speaker 2>that was in part due to the African bees. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the hybridization of them.

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<v Speaker 3>So in nineteen ninety, the first confirmed cases were in Texas,

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<v Speaker 3>and then from there they went to Arizona, then they

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<v Speaker 3>made their way into Imperial Valley, California. It's important because

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<v Speaker 3>in California, they have the almond farbes and so this

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<v Speaker 3>is a huge part to play in the next couple

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<v Speaker 3>decades of the bee culture. So in nineteen ninety four

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<v Speaker 3>they were identified in Imperial Valley and that's when the

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<v Speaker 3>map changed from being in one location to starting to

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<v Speaker 3>spread across the country of these Africanized bees. So a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of so these bees are they can actually spread

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<v Speaker 3>between one sixty to five hundred kilometers in a rate

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<v Speaker 3>of like a few days. They travel super.

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<v Speaker 2>Fast, Okay, so not just travel that far pollinate that far, So.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they travel so they actually they are they are

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<v Speaker 3>built to be faster, they fly higher, and they nest deeper.

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<v Speaker 3>They're really intelligent bees. Wow, really intelligent, Like they're they

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<v Speaker 3>were created to withstand and then as time went on

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<v Speaker 3>they continue to adapt and then in they became really

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<v Speaker 3>violent though, because they didn't like the noise, vibrations and

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<v Speaker 3>the usual smell. So what people were showing, what they

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<v Speaker 3>were seeing on the news was people being attacked them

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<v Speaker 3>swarming vehicles. Like there's you know all those videos of

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<v Speaker 3>them swarming vehicles that one guy got attacked and then

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<v Speaker 3>like zoomed in on him and he has like a

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<v Speaker 3>hundred bees on him and he's falling to the ground

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<v Speaker 3>and dying.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a territorial thing they or it was

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<v Speaker 2>an environmental thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was an environmental thing. They just were very aggressive naturally,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they got really even more irritated because of

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<v Speaker 3>those things that they weren't exposed to previously in the

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was in the nineties where it started to get

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<v Speaker 2>So that's actually very interesting because like what makes a

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<v Speaker 2>bee violent, there's a few a certain perfumes, certain colognes

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<v Speaker 2>can absolutely agitate bees. They smell things on the level

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<v Speaker 2>that we can't, and that makes sense to me. But

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<v Speaker 2>and we've talked about this on the show a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times. So by all known laws of aviation, bees

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<v Speaker 2>are not supposed to be able to fly. Their wings

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<v Speaker 2>are too tiny, their bodies are too fat, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way that they're able to get lift according to

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<v Speaker 2>what we know about aviation. That being said, they recently

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<v Speaker 2>did more studies and found out they're actually able to

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<v Speaker 2>vibrate their thorax, like their body is actually able to

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<v Speaker 2>vibrate at different rates, which gives them enough lift for

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<v Speaker 2>lack of better words, it's able to actually affect their

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<v Speaker 2>mass at a molecular level, So that's how they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to fly. Now that being said, in the nineties, what

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00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.759
<v Speaker 2>became very very popular that might be messing with things

427
00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.119
<v Speaker 2>at a vibrational level that humans can't pick up on.

428
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<v Speaker 2>But I bet the bees could.

429
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<v Speaker 3>Cell phones.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Cell phones absolutely, and I mean radio is a different thing.

431
00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Radio waves have been in effect since the early nineteen hundreds,

432
00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:46.400
<v Speaker 2>broad scales since the nineteen twenties and thirties, so you know,

433
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that also played an effect on the bees

434
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<v Speaker 2>as well.

435
00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:51.599
<v Speaker 3>The long term and short term radio waves are completely

436
00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:55.279
<v Speaker 3>different from each other. You know, you have different types

437
00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:57.720
<v Speaker 3>of radio waves and each one of them does a

438
00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:01.559
<v Speaker 3>different frequency. The frequencies are what it impacts the different

439
00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:05.000
<v Speaker 3>animals and insects around it. Plus you're doing short bursts

440
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.440
<v Speaker 3>like they're not continuous streams. Every time you're speaking is

441
00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.319
<v Speaker 3>when it sends over the signal, and it would be

442
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.480
<v Speaker 3>it's harder to travel over land than it is over water,

443
00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.079
<v Speaker 3>and so when you're having and peeing the towers, it's

444
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.480
<v Speaker 3>sending little bleeps here and then it drops down to

445
00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.599
<v Speaker 3>another tower verse where the actual waves for a cell

446
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 3>phone it's going to continuous stream of pulsing out waves

447
00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.480
<v Speaker 3>and so that's a completely different way of impacting things

448
00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:34.200
<v Speaker 3>around it.

449
00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:36.839
<v Speaker 2>And I mean we've talked about this before. How much

450
00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 2>of our environment is different now because of cell phones,

451
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.920
<v Speaker 2>five G whatever. The new technology is Wi Fi absolutely

452
00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.559
<v Speaker 2>so like And to further that point, real life technology

453
00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:51.440
<v Speaker 2>is not a shameless plug. But use a promo code

454
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455
00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.519
<v Speaker 2>healing technology that is actually able to heal your body

456
00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.319
<v Speaker 2>using sound waves. So your ears cannot pick up on,

457
00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.799
<v Speaker 2>but your body the resonance can pick up on. Cell

458
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>phones give off a resonance that we can't pick up on,

459
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.799
<v Speaker 2>but I guarantee the bees can. So I'm also of

460
00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the belief, yes, a bit of the conspiratorial belief, but

461
00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:15.720
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of the whole point of the show, that

462
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.079
<v Speaker 2>the cell phone towers and the amount of technology that

463
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.400
<v Speaker 2>started to get pushed more heavily, especially into the nineties

464
00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:24.319
<v Speaker 2>when everybody was carrying around a Nokia brick. I have

465
00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.160
<v Speaker 2>a hard time believing that that had nothing to do

466
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 2>with how the bees all of a sudden went agro, because,

467
00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:33.359
<v Speaker 2>like you said, the African bees, they were here for decades, right,

468
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:35.799
<v Speaker 2>They were for this not before the nineties.

469
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<v Speaker 3>No, So the first confirmed case was in nineteen ninety

470
00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:41.960
<v Speaker 3>and then in nineteen ninety four is when they were

471
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<v Speaker 3>confirmed in California because they spread over into Imperial Valley.

472
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:50.000
<v Speaker 3>They've been around though since nineteen fifty seven. They had

473
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<v Speaker 3>to migrate their way all the way up to North America.

474
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<v Speaker 2>They were in an area that didn't have the amount

475
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 2>of technology that we have on a regular basis.

476
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.519
<v Speaker 3>Yes, they were in the Amazon in South America. They

477
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.240
<v Speaker 3>were in so like, that's a completely different especially in

478
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.799
<v Speaker 3>the nineties and before then, think about the culture and

479
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.160
<v Speaker 3>the way everything was, and then as they traversed up

480
00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:13.359
<v Speaker 3>to us, things were changing in the actual environment and

481
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:16.880
<v Speaker 3>you know how we were operating as humans.

482
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.920
<v Speaker 2>The entirely different ecosystem. So yeah, okay, okay, it's not

483
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.640
<v Speaker 2>that cell phones became popular at the time they made

484
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 2>their way here. As cell phones are becoming more popular,

485
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.880
<v Speaker 2>so it was more violent.

486
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.960
<v Speaker 3>And aggressive because of the sounds and the noises and

487
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 3>all of that. So that's where a lot of the

488
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.440
<v Speaker 3>fear came from for people in the nineties of bees.

489
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.599
<v Speaker 3>It was because of this Africanized bee that was a

490
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:44.480
<v Speaker 3>hybred and then it was the whole thing. So California

491
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.400
<v Speaker 3>really became the hub of this conversation because of the

492
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:50.920
<v Speaker 3>almond factory or the almond fields farms.

493
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, orchards because almonds grow on a tree. So

494
00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:57.319
<v Speaker 2>would that technically be an almond orchard.

495
00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:59.839
<v Speaker 3>I think it would be Actually, yeah.

496
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Farm grove. It's a grove. Like pecans don't grow an orchard,

497
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>they grow they grow in a grove.

498
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Man, We're smart begetting there. Yeah. So the native bees,

499
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:18.559
<v Speaker 3>when these Africanized bees started to take over in California,

500
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:20.759
<v Speaker 3>the problem was is they already had native bees there,

501
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:23.920
<v Speaker 3>aka the European bees that were introduced in sixteen twenty two.

502
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 3>They became they were native quote, and because they intermixed

503
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:30.440
<v Speaker 3>with the actual native species that were here and they

504
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.200
<v Speaker 3>developed their own little subspecies. But they became weaker and

505
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.480
<v Speaker 3>started to disappear, and they started to be destroyed because

506
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:42.200
<v Speaker 3>infections of fears. So people were killing bees just in

507
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.039
<v Speaker 3>mass thinking that they were killing these Africanized bees. In reality,

508
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 3>they were killing the native bees that they needed. But

509
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.920
<v Speaker 3>the problem was is now that they've the pesticides were

510
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.200
<v Speaker 3>weakening their immune systems and waking them overall. And then

511
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:58.240
<v Speaker 3>on top of that they're being mass killed. So then

512
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 3>it just kind of paved the way for the Afghanized

513
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.839
<v Speaker 3>bees that are smarter and more resistant to thrive and survive.

514
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Could you tell the difference but by just looking at

515
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:09.440
<v Speaker 2>them unless you were somebody that was read in on it,

516
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Like if you were to see a European descent be

517
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:19.079
<v Speaker 2>literally next to a Africa or hybrid bee, would any

518
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.039
<v Speaker 2>regular layperson be able to tell a difference.

519
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what they actually look like. But

520
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 3>I know because the bees that we have around us,

521
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 3>sixty to seventy percent of them are have genetic to African,

522
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 3>so the Afghanized bees, so like we don't even know

523
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.240
<v Speaker 3>what a lot of the native bees look like the

524
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.319
<v Speaker 3>majority of us because I mean, unless we really studied them.

525
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 3>But I'm not going to be able to really tell

526
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.160
<v Speaker 3>the difference between different types of little honey bees.

527
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 2>And especially if you have a hive that just happens

528
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.119
<v Speaker 2>to have sprung up near you, You're not going to

529
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 2>go through the process of trying to check what it is.

530
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 2>It's a nuisance and you got to get rid of it.

531
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.079
<v Speaker 2>And that, Yeah, all people.

532
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.519
<v Speaker 3>Knew then was the news is telling us these bees

533
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.119
<v Speaker 3>are killing us, so like, we need to take care

534
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 3>of this now, and that caused this whole situation to happen.

535
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 3>The hunting production in nineteen ninety four went down ten

536
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.319
<v Speaker 3>percent in affected areas because they were killing off the

537
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 3>native bees and the African bees were pissed off and

538
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.240
<v Speaker 3>so they didn't want to They weren't doing their job

539
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:24.279
<v Speaker 3>effectively because they were trying to pretty much establish They

540
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.160
<v Speaker 3>were very aggressive in their territory and so they're trying

541
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.319
<v Speaker 3>to establish doing what they were doing. So they were

542
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 3>already impacting the environment just in nineteen ninety four the region.

543
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 3>So in California they decided to try to take control.

544
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 3>So this whole conversation ends up being human technology verse

545
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 3>nature for the next few decades. This is what this

546
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:48.279
<v Speaker 3>conversation actually.

547
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Is, because that's ever worked out positively ever throughout human history.

548
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, they felt some type of way, so in California

549
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.279
<v Speaker 3>they decided to burn hives, spray carbon and an oxide, foam,

550
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:01.279
<v Speaker 3>spray chemicals.

551
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 2>And carbon monoxide, foam, carbon dioxide.

552
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 3>Dioxide'm about to say, gol the carbon dioxide phone.

553
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, man, I just hurried up to say, they just

554
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 2>go on for the kill shot. Across the board, ain't they.

555
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 3>And they locked down neighborhoods. Yeah, I thought that was

556
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.079
<v Speaker 3>really interesting that they locked down like actual locations where

557
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.480
<v Speaker 3>they found the bees, Africanized bees. They were trying to

558
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:25.440
<v Speaker 3>like walk them in a little spot until they could

559
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:26.839
<v Speaker 3>kill them all and eradicate it.

560
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

561
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:32.680
<v Speaker 3>The hybrids, though eliminated, they continued to try to fight

562
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 3>the African bees. But the problem is is that through

563
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.000
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety to the two thousands, there was only like

564
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 3>four to seven percent of the States weren't affected by

565
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.720
<v Speaker 3>these bees. Everywhere else was affected by these bees. But

566
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.880
<v Speaker 3>no matter what they did, even into the two thousands,

567
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 3>they discovered that sixty to seventy percent of these African

568
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 3>bees survived everything that they did.

569
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So essentially became a spy versus spy kind of situation

570
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Speaker 2>where the bees were adapting to their environment. Humans would

571
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 2>come up with some new way to eradicate them. The

572
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 2>next season, the bees would find a way around that.

573
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Then they would find a new way. Basically that's what

574
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:11.519
<v Speaker 2>it became.

575
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.839
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so the bees, the hybrids adapted to building their hives,

576
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 3>so they decided so they started spraying the air right,

577
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 3>they were spraying chemicals in the airs trying to kill

578
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 3>off the hives. So the bees adapted the next season

579
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 3>to being like, okay, cool, you're going to spray and

580
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.079
<v Speaker 3>contaminate the air. What we're going to do is we're

581
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 3>going to find places that you can't the air can't

582
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 3>get to us pretty much. So they started laying hives.

583
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 3>They started building their hives in pipes, under houses. They

584
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 3>put them like anywhere they could find that was a

585
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 3>tiny little niche that was away from the chemical air.

586
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 3>That's where they actually thrived. If you've ever seen the

587
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.640
<v Speaker 3>guy I was talking about just a minute ago that

588
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 3>scoops up bees with his hands, you'll see him cut

589
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:58.680
<v Speaker 3>into say a well house and underneath the ground they

590
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 3>actually use like heating technology, and they look for the hive.

591
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 3>They'll find them inside the ground, like underneath the boards.

592
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 3>Those are afroganized beasts. Those are just generations of it

593
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 3>that have been here. They found them in like concrete walls.

594
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Those are those beasts. They have adapted to keeping themselves

595
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 3>away from pesticides so that they could survive.

596
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>So the only experience I have with this is my

597
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 2>parents when they bought the land they currently live on,

598
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.799
<v Speaker 2>there was a dead tree, and the top of this

599
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.039
<v Speaker 2>tree got taken out by a hurricane years and years

600
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>before they even bought the property. But they decided that

601
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to take down this tree. Okay, cool, My uncle,

602
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>who is a career arborist, came in and cut the

603
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>tree down. As soon as the top of that tree

604
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 2>hit the ground, a black cloud came out of the

605
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 2>top of this thing. Everybody was inside. Oh bad, it

606
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 2>was bad. We didn't really they first off didn't realize

607
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>there was a beehive in this tree. Second, they didn't

608
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.119
<v Speaker 2>realize how big this beehive was. And again it was

609
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 2>at the top We're talking probably sixty feet up, and

610
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>it was bad. So they called a be expert, and

611
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>because they realized that, they were inside for probably twenty minutes,

612
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and it got worse, and it got worse, and it

613
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>got worse. So after about an hour, they finally called

614
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>a guy and was like, hey, there's no way there

615
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.079
<v Speaker 2>was this many bees in this hive, So what's the deal.

616
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>He's like, Okay, good news and bad news. Bad news.

617
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

618
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.400
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna want to stay inside for a couple hours

619
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 2>and They're like, what do you mean. So basically, you

620
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>just cracked open a massive hive. Now every bee within

621
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.440
<v Speaker 2>a ten mile radius is coming to take that honey

622
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 2>right now, and there's there's nothing that could be done,

623
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 2>So y'all are gonna need to stay inside it and

624
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 2>hunkered out. So they had to get cops to come

625
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 2>and like designate off a section of ninet thirty three

626
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>because it was that bad. Like when I'm saying a

627
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 2>black cloud, I like the cartoons that you see, Yeah,

628
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>think of that, about a football field size of a

629
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 2>black cloud that was swarming on this one tree and

630
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere. Once the honey was gone, they were gone.

631
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 3>That's insane. I've never I mean, I've never seen that

632
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 3>in person, but that's crazy.

633
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I was in the Marines at the time. They told

634
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>me about it. Later I thought they were over dramatic. No, no, no,

635
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>this was bad, bad.

636
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 3>So these bees, these these highbred bees, are the ones

637
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 3>that can fly higher yep. And so that's likely who

638
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 3>was there in the tree with these bees because they

639
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.640
<v Speaker 3>can outlast they can get above where the normal little

640
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 3>native honey bees they can't get that high.

641
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>And the high was inside of the trunk of a

642
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>dead tree. This also makes sense.

643
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Wow, And they also they're more resilient colonies. So scientists

644
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 3>call this whole adaptation that they have a paradoxal recovery effect.

645
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 3>And so pretty much every time the humans have tried

646
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 3>to come up with something, this particular brand of bees

647
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 3>can adapt in and overcome within. They can't even keep

648
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 3>the models up to date every time they try. They've

649
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 3>already adapted to it. So they created like this this

650
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Speaker 3>spray that they thought that was gonna kill them, they

651
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.279
<v Speaker 3>all adapted to it than six months, and then they

652
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 3>couldn't even they couldn't even kill them off. They immediately

653
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 3>started to adapt. They already formed a resistance almost immediately. Yeah,

654
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 3>it got like the first first wave, but then they

655
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.519
<v Speaker 3>had already started to adapt to this. So this is

656
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.000
<v Speaker 3>this whole thing has been a money pit for decades

657
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.000
<v Speaker 3>of them throwing money into it, for decades of trying

658
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 3>to fight the bees, saying we have to eradicate them.

659
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 3>So Texas was one of the main ones that decided,

660
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 3>like newsfucker's gotta die, whereas Arizona was like, all right,

661
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 3>so clearly we're mistaken, Like clearly nature is going to

662
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 3>find a way and nature is pretty much given us

663
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.000
<v Speaker 3>the middle finger every chance of it that they can get,

664
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:45.159
<v Speaker 3>and we are losing.

665
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>So from there they try to fight against nature.

666
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 3>This so they had this killer bee campaign that they

667
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.800
<v Speaker 3>pushed in the nineties in the two thousands for well

668
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:00.039
<v Speaker 3>up unto a certain point until we started having a

669
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 3>colony collapse. But they had this bee campaign that they

670
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 3>were like, let's kill these bees off because like, we

671
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 3>don't need them here, we need to try to make

672
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 3>sure the native species are gonna survive. It didn't work,

673
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.400
<v Speaker 3>because the bees are still surviving seventy percent of them

674
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.519
<v Speaker 3>no matter what you kill. The problem is is they

675
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 3>killed one, they would knock down a hive and try

676
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 3>to destroy it right within hours, within a three mile ratus,

677
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.000
<v Speaker 3>they would already have anywhere between three to five new

678
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 3>hives building from that hive itself. So like the ones

679
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 3>that survived, they'd be out already building a new hive,

680
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 3>And so every time they would try to get a

681
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.440
<v Speaker 3>step ahead of them, they were like, gotcha, cool, We're

682
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 3>just gonna go build another hive down the street.

683
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.559
<v Speaker 2>So now this leads to the question, why if bees

684
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.119
<v Speaker 2>are that resilient and they are doing great and they're

685
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna be fine no matter what we try to do,

686
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 2>they are going to be good. Why are we still

687
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>hearing the narrative that these bees are on the verge

688
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>of extinction. At the bee go extinct, then so does

689
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>all of our food supply. I mean, and that's a

690
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 2>fair point, right, You can be well, right, right, right,

691
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and it gets all that in the moment. But that's

692
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 2>not an unfair thing to say, right If, for whatever reason,

693
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 2>if the bees went away right now, human beings would

694
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.760
<v Speaker 2>follow because without them, any big agricultural farm that you

695
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.199
<v Speaker 2>can find has bee hives on site because they help

696
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 2>with the pollination. Whether it's cucumbers, whether it's fruit, whether

697
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 2>it's corn, it doesn't matter. We need bees in order

698
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>to have the mass scale of agriculture to feed the

699
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.639
<v Speaker 2>population that we do. So I can understand why people

700
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:41.599
<v Speaker 2>are saying that when the bees go downhill, and when

701
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>our population of bees are dying off in such numbers,

702
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.239
<v Speaker 2>that is something that we need to be concerned about.

703
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I can absolutely agree with that. However, the way that

704
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>the narrative has been spun is making it seem like

705
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.960
<v Speaker 2>we are the reason why this is happening. Humans are

706
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 2>the reason why the bees are dying.

707
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:59.840
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot to play into that though, because humans

708
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 3>are are impacting everything globally, I mean the climate climate

709
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.360
<v Speaker 3>change conversation a lot of people. It's a back and

710
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 3>forth thing. There's a lot to be said that we

711
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 3>are impacting the Earth in a lot of negative ways,

712
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.400
<v Speaker 3>and we have been doing that now in the last decade,

713
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 3>we've been more conscientious of what we're doing. But our

714
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:25.800
<v Speaker 3>carbon footprint per person in America is insane compared globally.

715
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 2>But that even still, carbon is not a bad thingsuch

716
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.360
<v Speaker 2>a narrative to say that it is, but it's really not.

717
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:32.679
<v Speaker 7>Now.

718
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Carbon footprint conversation, though, is also about waste and pollution. Okay,

719
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 3>so it has it's all tight in of together, which

720
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 3>impacts the bees, the butterflies, all of it.

721
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 2>And I could agree with that too. But I would

722
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 2>also argue that if you look at an American per

723
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 2>capita as opposed to an Indian or a Russian or

724
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 2>a Chinese per capita, we are doing a lot less

725
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.360
<v Speaker 2>damage than those three countries are. As far as hurting

726
00:37:59.360 --> 00:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Mother Earth.

727
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Goes, it's not the it's not the total, it's individual individually.

728
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Each household hurts more than those companies, than those countries.

729
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Will still using cold to heat their homes. There's no will.

730
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 3>I will have to find the actual diagram. I have

731
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 3>a whole thing, Like I had to do a huge

732
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 3>paper about it in my environmental class and we had

733
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.239
<v Speaker 3>to break it down per person, per household versus every

734
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 3>other country, and to see because we use so much

735
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:36.079
<v Speaker 3>stuff as Americans country, for sure what we waste, and

736
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:41.039
<v Speaker 3>we use so many things, and we pollute so much individually,

737
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 3>we are doing a lot more damage.

738
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to see this because.

739
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:46.679
<v Speaker 3>I'll have to. I'll have to find it for you.

740
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Like we have an EPA, we have restrictions on what

741
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 2>we're allowed to burn. We we have a way that

742
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 2>are we have electricity in our homes right now. Now

743
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 2>you compare that to what Russia is dumping into the

744
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>ocean and bearing an un uh unsecured landfills. You look

745
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 2>at how China is industrial Like if you've ever seen

746
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>a picture of Beijing and it looks like there's fog

747
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 2>every single day, and that is certainly not fog. When

748
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>you tell me that we are not we're doing worse

749
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.519
<v Speaker 2>than China or India, I mean shit, go to have

750
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>you played the game. Have you gone to street view

751
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>in India and tried to find a spot without shit

752
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 2>on the ground?

753
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Speaker 3>No, I haven't, but I mean in India's rivers are

754
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 3>absolutely disaster right. But there's there is a lot of

755
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.280
<v Speaker 3>different information though for how much we use in the

756
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.719
<v Speaker 3>sense of like pollution wise, how much things that everything

757
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 3>that we tie into what we do as a daily

758
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.000
<v Speaker 3>use as Americans versus what they're using daily is a

759
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.039
<v Speaker 3>completely different, like conversation.

760
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to see that report.

761
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.039
<v Speaker 3>This is a mind blowing I have to find it

762
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 3>for you because it's crazy. Back to the little bees though, Yeah,

763
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:58.599
<v Speaker 3>so they try to introduce the European bees, like strictly

764
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 3>European bees, not native high bred crosses or anything that

765
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 3>they actually tried to make them breed with the Africanized bees.

766
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Speaker 3>So they took the Afghanized bees that were here and

767
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:13.199
<v Speaker 3>they decided to do controlled experiment to try and get

768
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 3>them to be more gentler, be happier, kind of you know, hey,

769
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.119
<v Speaker 3>let's hang out. Despite everything they did in twenty fifteen

770
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:26.280
<v Speaker 3>to do this, all of the African traits still dominated through.

771
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>They tried to breed docility into the bees, and they

772
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>still were just like nah, bra yeah, well of course, okay.

773
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 3>Pretty much they despite they had thousands of manage like

774
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:43.199
<v Speaker 3>thousands of colonies that they tried this with, and all

775
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 3>of them pretty much said screw you, we're just gonna

776
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:49.360
<v Speaker 3>We're just gonna keep on going on. And so as

777
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:54.800
<v Speaker 3>they continued to resist chemicals and learn how to dig deeper,

778
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 3>make their nests deeper, learn how to get faster, learn

779
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.719
<v Speaker 3>how to do more, they have been continuously evolving. And

780
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:06.760
<v Speaker 3>so they now call it the reverse evolutionary response. So

781
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 3>that's the Yeah, they have terms for all of.

782
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 2>The reverse evolutionary Charles Darwin would be so upset with

783
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 2>that concept. Now, what do you mean by this?

784
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.519
<v Speaker 3>So because they are I guess they are reversing everything

785
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 3>that they throw out them. They're reversing like an uner

786
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 3>reverse card. That's pretty much what they named it for,

787
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Like they're uner reversing like haha, you know, here's four,

788
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna reverse that and give that back to you.

789
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 3>So the bees, every time that they keep throwing stuff

790
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 3>at them, they're just reversing it. They're just continuously adapting.

791
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 2>And Okay, I'm glad you said it. Like that because

792
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking reverse evolutionary that makes me think of essentially

793
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>it's survival of the fittest. That's how evolution works throughout

794
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 2>the course of history. So with them trying to manipulate

795
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the genomes of these bees, it's like they're trying to

796
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.320
<v Speaker 2>work against evolution. But instead it's not that, it's that

797
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.599
<v Speaker 2>the bees are adapting in spite of what the humans

798
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:02.559
<v Speaker 2>are doing to them.

799
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:08.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes, wow, yep. So in so in twenty twenty and

800
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three, there was a huge conversation about these

801
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.119
<v Speaker 3>bees in particular, and saying that there was ecosystem changes,

802
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 3>soiled jamage and change animal loss, and it came down

803
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:25.280
<v Speaker 3>to GMO tech bees they've been trying to push versus

804
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 3>the adaptation hybrids. The hybrids are continuously going to win.

805
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.599
<v Speaker 3>It's going to keep being They no longer can actually

806
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 3>have that conversation because they try to make a new

807
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:40.000
<v Speaker 3>bee and they called it reconciled generation of the new bees.

808
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.920
<v Speaker 2>They didn't reconcile generation.

809
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they were like, hey, so we fucked up,

810
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 3>and now we're going to acknowledge that we've done everything

811
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 3>we could. We put laws into place, we've done protocols.

812
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.760
<v Speaker 3>We've tried to wipe them out. Nothing's working, so we're

813
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.400
<v Speaker 3>going to try this instead. California decided then that they

814
00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.760
<v Speaker 3>were done trying to kill the bees, and instead they're

815
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.800
<v Speaker 3>going to try to live alongside the bees and figure

816
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 3>out how to manage both types of bees, the natives

817
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 3>and the hybrids, and use them to their advantage instead

818
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 3>of what's killing them off.

819
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>The problem a couple of years ago.

820
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Then, Yes, So the problem that they're facing though is

821
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 3>the pesticides company, because this is a billion dollar business,

822
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 3>and now they're saying, hey, so we don't want you

823
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 3>to use these pesticides anymore, because we're really trying not

824
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.400
<v Speaker 3>to kill off these bees. Because the pesticides that they

825
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.239
<v Speaker 3>were using was still killing the native bees. Sure like

826
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't just like somehow pinpointed just to the Africanized bees,

827
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 3>because at that point, you're talking about seventy percent of

828
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.599
<v Speaker 3>the bees now have a mixed genome of having this

829
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.760
<v Speaker 3>African piece at least in them.

830
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 2>But even still, like you were saying, even if they

831
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.519
<v Speaker 2>were using crazy harmful pesticides, the bees are finding a

832
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.400
<v Speaker 2>way to adapt and overcome regardless, Right.

833
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So the agricultural companies corporations have poured tons and

834
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.000
<v Speaker 3>tons of money into finding a genetic management or an

835
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:11.000
<v Speaker 3>artificial pollenization system or controlling breeding lines, and also biological data.

836
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.960
<v Speaker 3>They're trying to at least see, hey, should we make

837
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.800
<v Speaker 3>fake bees? Should we try to use fake systems into this?

838
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 3>Can we manage these can we genetically manage these bees?

839
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Is there a way that we can breed them out?

840
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Kind of like what's his name, Bill Gates in his

841
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 3>whole mosquito situation. Yeah, you know, the males not being

842
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:32.960
<v Speaker 3>able to carrying that gene and they're going to kill

843
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 3>off the you know, they're only going to have males,

844
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.039
<v Speaker 3>so the population is going to die, that kind of

845
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 3>genetic spicing situation.

846
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 2>So with that being said, and we're going to get

847
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 2>to the artificial systems here in a bit. We got

848
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.880
<v Speaker 2>a couple of articles and a couple of videos pulled

849
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 2>up because what they're trying to do, as far as

850
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 2>artificial pollinators go, is kind of mind blowing. It's impressive

851
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:56.559
<v Speaker 2>in one regard for the technological advancements of it. I'm

852
00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>able to at least give a nod to the impressiveness

853
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of it. But at the other end of the spectrum.

854
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.159
<v Speaker 2>They are absolutely trying to have a man versus nature conversation,

855
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.320
<v Speaker 2>even right now when it's clear we are never going

856
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 2>to be able to replace the amount of work that

857
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.440
<v Speaker 2>bees do as far as making sure that we eat.

858
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 2>So that being said, we were talking earlier about colin

859
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 2>colonize the collapse of.

860
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, was this the CCD?

861
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:29.039
<v Speaker 2>It is colony collapse disorder?

862
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.719
<v Speaker 3>Colony collapse disorder? God, I couldn't think of it either. Yeah,

863
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 3>so this was something that took place, and it's an

864
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:39.440
<v Speaker 3>actual thing that happened in two thousand's I think I

865
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.159
<v Speaker 3>can't remember exactly when it started.

866
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 2>So I got an article pulled up here. It's viruses

867
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.599
<v Speaker 2>one oh one. This is actually an article from twenty fourteen,

868
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 2>so I'll go ahead and read it now. It's not long.

869
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 2>The past couple of years have not been good ones

870
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 2>for honeybees. For reasons unknown. Honeybee colonies around the globe

871
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.639
<v Speaker 2>have experienced colony collapse disorder. With colony collapse disorder, thirty

872
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of hives are lost. Adding to the honey

873
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.920
<v Speaker 2>bee's growing list of problems is a plant virus, tobacco

874
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:10.039
<v Speaker 2>ringspot virus which has been found in the bees. Astonishingly,

875
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the tobacco ringspot virus has accomplished a one point six

876
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:18.159
<v Speaker 2>billion year evolutionary hurdle from its original plant host to honeybees,

877
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 2>according to a study published by the journal m Bio

878
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 2>in January. Again, this is twenty fourteen. Honey Bees are

879
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.199
<v Speaker 2>crucial to humans food production. Roughly one out of every

880
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>three mouthfuls in our diet is directly or indirectly connected

881
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.840
<v Speaker 2>to honeybee populations. If you like almonds, candalo, cucumbers, apples, berries,

882
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.400
<v Speaker 2>or honey, obviously honey, the declining population of bees is

883
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 2>not good for your palate. In addition to all the

884
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 2>foods that bees add to our diet, they also are

885
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Speaker 2>responsible for an increased crop value of fifteen billion dollars

886
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>per year. And again this is back ten years ago.

887
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.519
<v Speaker 2>That's probably exponentially more by this point. So talking about

888
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>that tobacco ring spot virus, which is interesting. Tobacco ringspot

889
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>viruses first recording the United States in nineteen forty one.

890
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>The most devastating disease caused by the virus is bud

891
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>blight of soybean, which reduce the yields of reduced yields

892
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty five by one hundred percent. I don't know what

893
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 2>the number on that one is. I don't know yields

894
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:24.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty five. Okay. The virus isn't exclusive to tobacco plants.

895
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.639
<v Speaker 2>It can infect thirty five different families of plants, including tomatoes, cucumbers,

896
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and beans. Stunned growth, discoloration of leaves in a ring

897
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 2>spot pattern, and even death are symptoms of the virus.

898
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Tobacco ringspot virus is an RNA virus, which may account

899
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.519
<v Speaker 2>for its evolutionary leap. Although RNA and DNA are both

900
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:47.039
<v Speaker 2>nucleic acids, their function differ. DNA is like a cookbook.

901
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:50.320
<v Speaker 2>It stores the recipe for making proteins. RNA is the

902
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 2>messenger molecule that tells sells how to how to polymerase?

903
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 2>What oh, how to make the proteins? Sorry, jump to

904
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 2>sentence there tells the proteins. I'm sorry, tells the cells

905
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 2>how to make the proteins. The enzyme that makes RNA

906
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 2>by coping or copying DNA. RNA polymerase is not as

907
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:17.519
<v Speaker 2>thorough correcting errors as enzyme DNA polymerase, which replicates DNA. Therefore,

908
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 2>RNA tends to contain more mistakes aka mutations than DNA

909
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>in humans, A single strand of RNA has a very

910
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.440
<v Speaker 2>short lifespan, and any mutations are eliminated upon the RNA

911
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>strands destruction. RNA viruses, on the other hand, are a

912
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>whole other ballpark. Since the virus's genetic information is derived

913
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 2>from RNA, mutations can have a major evolutionary impact on

914
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.480
<v Speaker 2>the viruses. Mutations are the driving force behind diversity, which

915
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 2>leads to natural selection. RNA viruses have the greatest potential

916
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 2>for host hopping, says the study, although it is a rare.

917
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Although it is rare for viruses to lead from host

918
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:53.599
<v Speaker 2>to host in different kingdoms, it is not unheard of.

919
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 2>The rod Bivoridae family of viruses. Good god, okay, which

920
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.639
<v Speaker 2>include why didn't they just say that contains a few

921
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.400
<v Speaker 2>viruses that can infect both plants and animals. So jumping

922
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 2>ahead here, It talks about the tobacco ring spot a

923
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit more. But how does that tie into the

924
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:15.639
<v Speaker 2>bees collapse? So let's see here the group. This group

925
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>of scientists study the similarities and differences between the tobacco

926
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 2>ring spot virus genes from honeybees, Varro destructor mites and plants.

927
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.039
<v Speaker 2>The viral genes from the bees and mites were closely related,

928
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.840
<v Speaker 2>suggesting that the mites were introduced to the virus through

929
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.559
<v Speaker 2>the bees. Evidence of tobacco ringspot virus was also identified

930
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:38.800
<v Speaker 2>in pollen stores in beehives. Tobacco ringspot virus presents presence

931
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:42.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't automatically mean the virus causes bees harm. Thus, the

932
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:46.320
<v Speaker 2>same team of scientists monitored six strong and four weak

933
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.639
<v Speaker 2>bee hives for a year to determine if the virus

934
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 2>is hazardous to bees. Other viruses through thought to contribute

935
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to colony collapse disorder were studied. Two higher concentrations of

936
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 2>tobacco ringspot virus and the other viruses did in fact

937
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:03.599
<v Speaker 2>fortel colony collapse. Wow. So if you had a beehive

938
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 2>that was pollinating a certain tobacco farm or field, and

939
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you could see that this ring spot virus is on

940
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the plants, you could almost predict that the bee hives

941
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 2>were going to suffer from some sort of a colony

942
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 2>collapse that way, that's fascinating. Still, so many questions remain

943
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 2>with regards to tobacco ring spot virus. It is unknown

944
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 2>whether the virus can survive in the bee population without

945
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>periodical reintroductions. We now know that the plant virus can

946
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.199
<v Speaker 2>be spread to bees but can infect can but Jesus

947
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 2>hold on can be spread to bees, but can infected

948
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:42.960
<v Speaker 2>bees transmit the virus to plants. Okay. Most importantly, the

949
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.440
<v Speaker 2>tobacco ring spot virus one of the causes of colony

950
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.320
<v Speaker 2>collapse disorder or merely brought on by a weakened population

951
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 2>of honeybees more prone to viral infection. Switching from host

952
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 2>to host is no small feet, especially when two hosts

953
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.079
<v Speaker 2>plants and bees are more than a billion evolutionary years apart.

954
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.199
<v Speaker 2>There are many different challenges a virus must face to

955
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:04.760
<v Speaker 2>make this jump. For example, a virus must first come

956
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.199
<v Speaker 2>into contact with its new hosts and figure out a

957
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:11.639
<v Speaker 2>mechanism of transmission between the new hosts. Tobacco ringspot virus

958
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.039
<v Speaker 2>is the first recorded plant virus to have been spread

959
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 2>two honey bees through contaminated pollen. For the bee's sake,

960
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I sincerely hope the scientists can determine what causes colony

961
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.039
<v Speaker 2>collapse disorder and how to prevent it soon. Wow.

962
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:27.639
<v Speaker 3>So the disorder itself is characterized by a sudden and

963
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 3>unexplained disappearance of worker bees from the hive, leaving behind

964
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:36.239
<v Speaker 3>the queen, young bees and small amounts of adults. It

965
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:40.159
<v Speaker 3>was happening in North America, Europe, Asia, the US had

966
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 3>it the worst. And so what it means is is

967
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.719
<v Speaker 3>that the worker bees would go out to collect and

968
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.599
<v Speaker 3>they just never would come back, and so then they

969
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.719
<v Speaker 3>have the queen they're left with. I think she can

970
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 3>lay one thousand eggs a day if I'm correct, and

971
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.840
<v Speaker 3>so she's there just chilling laying eggs, and then you

972
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.360
<v Speaker 3>have a few of the adults that are keeping track

973
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 3>the baby ones, and then you just have the babies.

974
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 3>So overall there is nothing. They would pretty much starve

975
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.039
<v Speaker 3>to death and they would just have nothing left. They

976
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 3>would just leave and they would not come back. And

977
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 3>then what happened. Then they can't fly forever, and then they

978
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 3>have no hive, they have no queen, and so the

979
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.119
<v Speaker 3>bees would die and the hive would die itself.

980
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now that being said, I'm wondering if this might

981
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 2>be a portion of the reason as well. Right, so

982
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:30.199
<v Speaker 2>toxic nectar or pollen. This is from the b MD,

983
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:31.920
<v Speaker 2>which I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know there were

984
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.199
<v Speaker 2>bee doctors, and not enough to make a whole page

985
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.880
<v Speaker 2>out of, but absolutely there are signs are indications difficult

986
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:41.519
<v Speaker 2>to diagnose. Excessive number of dead adult bees. Larvae are

987
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:44.440
<v Speaker 2>also off color, so given a description here. There are

988
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:48.159
<v Speaker 2>several plants that on occasion may cause poisoning to honey bees.

989
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:54.760
<v Speaker 2>The toxic chemicals are llo chemicals YEP, substances developed by

990
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the plants themselves to help the plant resist herbivory by

991
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:02.039
<v Speaker 2>insects or grazing livestocks. The dosage is important. A chemical

992
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.760
<v Speaker 2>toxin from a poisonous plant at a low dose maybe

993
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.960
<v Speaker 2>a food or a valuable medicine, while at a higher

994
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 2>dose the same chemical can be deadly. Okay, fair enough.

995
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.239
<v Speaker 2>The substance that is toxic to one organism may not

996
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 2>be toxic to another. For example, Mountain laurel honey is

997
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.559
<v Speaker 2>poisonous to humans, but not to honeybees. I didn't know that, honestly,

998
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:25.840
<v Speaker 2>no idea that was the thing. Fair enough. Some species

999
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 2>of buttercup and summer tete I don't know that, but

1000
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it's also called leatherwood have toxic nectar, the latter causing

1001
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:39.039
<v Speaker 2>purple brood. A swamp buttercup has nectar and pollen toxic

1002
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:44.639
<v Speaker 2>to honeybees, though it is unclear if other types. I'm

1003
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.639
<v Speaker 2>not gonna try to pronounce that word. Buttercup species are toxic.

1004
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Some other plants that show toxicity to bees include tansy

1005
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:56.639
<v Speaker 2>ragwart linden, which is toxic sugar. Never heard of that,

1006
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 2>and milkweed, which additionally has polleny that stick to bees bodies,

1007
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.679
<v Speaker 2>causing stress to foragers. Now that's an interesting point. Not

1008
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 2>to sidestep too far away from this article, but milkweed

1009
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.920
<v Speaker 2>was something that we in Louisiana were told by the

1010
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 2>LSU AG Committee, which, for anybody who doesn't know, LSU

1011
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.440
<v Speaker 2>is one of the largest brick and mortar schools in

1012
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the state. Pretty much of the LSU AG Center says

1013
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:24.760
<v Speaker 2>that there's something that needs to be done for the state.

1014
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.760
<v Speaker 2>People listen, and they were telling people that we need

1015
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:31.320
<v Speaker 2>to plant more milk weed in our gardens around our house,

1016
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.119
<v Speaker 2>all these things, and they made it sound like it

1017
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:38.280
<v Speaker 2>was to help the bee population. Then they realized that

1018
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:40.000
<v Speaker 2>that is not the case, and I did a little

1019
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:45.400
<v Speaker 2>more research into this. Milkweed is excellent for restoring butterfly populations.

1020
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Right the nectar the butterflies use, but butterflies and bees

1021
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>have a very different pollenization method. For lack of better words,

1022
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>bees actually get stuck in the waxing nectar of the

1023
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:03.239
<v Speaker 2>milkweed plants, and it actually decimates the bee population as

1024
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:07.320
<v Speaker 2>opposed to helping the butterfly population. So the LSU Accenter

1025
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:09.800
<v Speaker 2>just released an article not too terribly long ago talking

1026
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 2>about this. They then had to retract it. We tried

1027
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.880
<v Speaker 2>finding the article for this conversation and it was just

1028
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:15.519
<v Speaker 2>posted not.

1029
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:17.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was supposed to like a week or two ago.

1030
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.159
<v Speaker 3>I looked everywhere for it and I couldn't find it.

1031
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:24.400
<v Speaker 3>I found the discussion about bees here for like specifically

1032
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.960
<v Speaker 3>for Louisiana, but I couldn't find the milk weed conversation

1033
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:32.480
<v Speaker 3>because I saw the headline read that milkweed was killing

1034
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.360
<v Speaker 3>the bee population. Because I myself actually planted milkweed the

1035
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:40.199
<v Speaker 3>last few years because I wanted to help the wooden

1036
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:43.280
<v Speaker 3>when I was told by the Accenter, because you can

1037
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.760
<v Speaker 3>actually they come to like fars and they come to

1038
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.079
<v Speaker 3>a little pop up events and you can come and

1039
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 3>talk to the master gardeners and you can actually go

1040
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:53.920
<v Speaker 3>there and talk to them. They were like, hey, plant

1041
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.039
<v Speaker 3>this to help your garden out to help bring in

1042
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.800
<v Speaker 3>the pollinators, and so I guess they weren't. They weren't

1043
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 3>specific enough for people, or when they said pollinators, I

1044
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.800
<v Speaker 3>assumed it was for the bees themselves. So clearly it

1045
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 3>was killing off the bees, because I noticed a huge

1046
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.920
<v Speaker 3>decline in bees coming around my gardens, and I thought,

1047
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:18.239
<v Speaker 3>honestly it was the trucks, because down here we have

1048
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.480
<v Speaker 3>these massive trucks that come by and they spray every

1049
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:25.440
<v Speaker 3>night for mosquitoes. I personally believe that that there is

1050
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.039
<v Speaker 3>a lot to be said about them spraying the chemicals

1051
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:32.239
<v Speaker 3>and that it's actually impacting the pollin eaters, including the butterflies,

1052
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:34.519
<v Speaker 3>and that maybe this was like one of those things

1053
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.920
<v Speaker 3>of hey, we're doing this one thing to kill off

1054
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:41.199
<v Speaker 3>this one invasive population of bugs, but now it's impacting

1055
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 3>the ones that we need. But I can't actually find

1056
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.079
<v Speaker 3>the article about milkweed, So now it's like, do you

1057
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 3>plant some milk weed?

1058
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:48.000
<v Speaker 5>Do you?

1059
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Just not? From what I've read is that you should

1060
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:55.079
<v Speaker 3>try to plant as many native flowers as possible, try

1061
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.679
<v Speaker 3>not to cut your gardens at like your grass as

1062
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.480
<v Speaker 3>much like my front yard for Halloween, we ha didn't

1063
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.199
<v Speaker 3>cut it for like a whole month, and so there

1064
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:05.239
<v Speaker 3>was actually a whole bunch of little purple flowers. I've

1065
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 3>seen more bees in the last week than i have

1066
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:11.480
<v Speaker 3>in a long time out there eating because little the

1067
00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:14.880
<v Speaker 3>honey bees are ground dwellers, so they like to be

1068
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.639
<v Speaker 3>around the lower plants instead of trying to like find

1069
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.840
<v Speaker 3>them up in the air or anything like that. So

1070
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 3>those natural plants are helping increase the bees. Actually, there

1071
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.440
<v Speaker 3>was a study done with that it takes over two

1072
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:32.920
<v Speaker 3>years for the population of natural of native bees to

1073
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.000
<v Speaker 3>recover in an area. Is as long as you stop

1074
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 3>spraying pesticides and you allow the natural plants to grow,

1075
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 3>it takes them over two years to even start to

1076
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:47.920
<v Speaker 3>see an increase in the native bees locally. And it

1077
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:52.000
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot to be said with the pesticide conversation

1078
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.719
<v Speaker 3>and how that actually ties into the killing of the bees,

1079
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.039
<v Speaker 3>And there's a whole argument. You read something about how

1080
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:00.320
<v Speaker 3>pesticides are better.

1081
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:00.599
<v Speaker 7>Now.

1082
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we actually have a video we're going to play

1083
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:04.280
<v Speaker 2>here in a bit, which and I think there is

1084
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.800
<v Speaker 2>something to be said for that. And I'm not saying

1085
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.119
<v Speaker 2>this is a standard rule across the board. Depending on

1086
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the type of pesticides or spraying, for sure, and how

1087
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.440
<v Speaker 2>concentrated it is, right, But if you look at what

1088
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.639
<v Speaker 2>farmers are spraying on their crops in the sixties as

1089
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.440
<v Speaker 2>opposed to what farmers are spraying on their crops now.

1090
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not trying to say, oh, well, these pesticides

1091
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.039
<v Speaker 2>are good for you. I'm not saying that. What I

1092
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 2>am saying is that they are more engineered to go

1093
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 2>after a specific insect rather than just killing. It's more

1094
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.320
<v Speaker 2>like a sniper rifle around as opposed to a grenade. Right,

1095
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:41.119
<v Speaker 2>It's more like a personalized letter as opposed to a

1096
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:43.480
<v Speaker 2>to whom it may concern kind of thing.

1097
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:47.559
<v Speaker 3>The problem isn't that. The problem is if they're systemic

1098
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.119
<v Speaker 3>or non systemic. So non systemic pesticides, for people that

1099
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.480
<v Speaker 3>don't know, are the topic the ones that you can

1100
00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:57.000
<v Speaker 3>buy like round up at the store and you spray

1101
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.480
<v Speaker 3>them on in their water soluble so they can rinse

1102
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:03.119
<v Speaker 3>off your placelants, so they're not actually inside the DNA

1103
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:07.320
<v Speaker 3>makeup themselves of the plant. The systemic ones are actually

1104
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.880
<v Speaker 3>starting at the seeds, so they're already inside and they're growing.

1105
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:13.239
<v Speaker 3>They're going to be so like if you go to

1106
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.679
<v Speaker 3>home depot and buy some of the plants for your garden.

1107
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:20.639
<v Speaker 3>For example, you will have a seed now that's been

1108
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.239
<v Speaker 3>genetically modified a lot of times. You can actually see

1109
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.360
<v Speaker 3>them on the packages they will say genetically modified or not.

1110
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 3>You will see that those seeds actually have systemic pesticides

1111
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 3>inside of them already, and they're in dirt that have pesticides,

1112
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.840
<v Speaker 3>and they've been sprayed with pesticides as well. So as

1113
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 3>these plants are growing, you're now having the entirety of

1114
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.719
<v Speaker 3>the plant, every part of it is now impacted and

1115
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:51.159
<v Speaker 3>infected with some type of pesticide. So now it's a

1116
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:54.800
<v Speaker 3>huge effect of everything about this plant is going to

1117
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 3>affect everybody and everything that touches it. So anything that's

1118
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.440
<v Speaker 3>ingesting this plant is now going to have residual pesticides

1119
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:06.880
<v Speaker 3>of some type. And as that transfers over to us

1120
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:10.800
<v Speaker 3>as people, because now we're eating lettuce, for example, that

1121
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.119
<v Speaker 3>the seed itself is been made with pesticides, it's growing

1122
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:18.360
<v Speaker 3>in pestides, it's being sprayed with pesticides. Nothing we can do,

1123
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:22.079
<v Speaker 3>no matter how organic quote unquote it is, is going

1124
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 3>to be it's going to still have these pesticides, which

1125
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:30.079
<v Speaker 3>is impacting us. It's impacting birds, it's impacting the insects,

1126
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:35.840
<v Speaker 3>it's impacting everybody. Yes, there are definite insects that are

1127
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:38.719
<v Speaker 3>killing other bugs, like the MTE that we're going to

1128
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:43.719
<v Speaker 3>talk about. But is it worth doing the systemic pesticides.

1129
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 3>I wonder because it's a natural the bioaccumulation effect where

1130
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:53.440
<v Speaker 3>it's continuously accumulating and over time, how are we even

1131
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:57.679
<v Speaker 3>getting seeds that haven't been genetically modified at some point.

1132
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.960
<v Speaker 3>There's actually a book that I have that this company

1133
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:04.119
<v Speaker 3>has been in America for a long long time. They

1134
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:06.679
<v Speaker 3>actually started overseas and then came to America. It's a

1135
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.199
<v Speaker 3>one hundred years and you can buy all these different

1136
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:12.719
<v Speaker 3>type of seeds from around the world from them, and

1137
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.199
<v Speaker 3>they trace back where the seeds are from and if

1138
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:18.760
<v Speaker 3>they've been messed with at any point that they can see,

1139
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:20.960
<v Speaker 3>and they try to keep them as clean as possible.

1140
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:24.559
<v Speaker 3>And you can actually buy You can buy ladybugs from them,

1141
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.000
<v Speaker 3>you can buy mason bees from them, you can buy

1142
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 3>all sorts of stuff from this company.

1143
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Now with that being said, and we were talking

1144
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.400
<v Speaker 2>about how the spray trucks right the mosquito trucks in Louisiana,

1145
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:36.639
<v Speaker 2>which as far back as I can remember. That's the

1146
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:40.079
<v Speaker 2>thing that we've had now. Granted some years we see

1147
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:43.320
<v Speaker 2>more than others. Very true, and I mean, you know,

1148
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 2>we were just kind of told growing up like yeah,

1149
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.079
<v Speaker 2>it's not going to hurt you, but also like don't

1150
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:49.199
<v Speaker 2>ride your bike behind the truck and just breed that

1151
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 2>shit in. I'm not going to say if we ever

1152
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 2>did that or not. Just besides the point, we're all

1153
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:54.840
<v Speaker 2>just trying to catch cancer out here, you know what

1154
01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean. But cancer alleys, indeed we are, praise God.

1155
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:04.039
<v Speaker 2>But beside the point, So with the milkweed conversation, I

1156
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.199
<v Speaker 2>will ask you this too. So the monarch butterfly is

1157
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:11.239
<v Speaker 2>endangered in this area. It is, but I've also seen

1158
01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:14.360
<v Speaker 2>more more recently than I've ever seen in my entire

1159
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 2>life living here.

1160
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:18.440
<v Speaker 3>I've lived here eleven years, and I will say that

1161
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I've seen a definite increase in monarchs this year than

1162
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:25.480
<v Speaker 3>the last five six years, which is great. Like this,

1163
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.079
<v Speaker 3>this is an awesome thing. I'm just wondering if if

1164
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.639
<v Speaker 3>this is one of those things of like, hey, here's

1165
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.239
<v Speaker 3>we're saving the butterflies.

1166
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.199
<v Speaker 2>But screw the bees, like you know, and I'm wondering

1167
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:38.920
<v Speaker 2>if they even realized that it was going to play

1168
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.400
<v Speaker 2>out that way. So when that's trying to promote to people, hey,

1169
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:43.719
<v Speaker 2>plant more milk weed in your gardens and all these things,

1170
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:45.639
<v Speaker 2>they were looking at it for trying to save an

1171
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:48.760
<v Speaker 2>endangered species, right, which very well could be. And who

1172
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:52.119
<v Speaker 2>can argue against that. Nobody. Nobody has beef with butterflies.

1173
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.239
<v Speaker 3>I think everyone loves butterflies.

1174
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Everyone loves it. And even if you don't love them,

1175
01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:59.159
<v Speaker 2>you don't hate them by any means. Bees, on the

1176
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:02.440
<v Speaker 2>other hand, because they can't sting you, there is already

1177
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:05.920
<v Speaker 2>a negative stigmatism surrounding them. Never mind the fact that

1178
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.559
<v Speaker 2>bees are not going to fuck with you unless you

1179
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.960
<v Speaker 2>are going out of your way to fuck with them.

1180
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Mason bees actually don't sing, and they're really good to

1181
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.519
<v Speaker 3>have in your garden. They're the ones that you make

1182
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.039
<v Speaker 3>those little tiny bee boxes for that have little circles

1183
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 3>like you can make all different kinds of stuff and

1184
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.719
<v Speaker 3>you can put it up on the on anywhere in

1185
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:29.159
<v Speaker 3>your garden. They won't sing. They help pollinate. They're not

1186
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.480
<v Speaker 3>as effective as honey bees, or you're not making honey

1187
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:34.719
<v Speaker 3>quote quote, but they're pollinating.

1188
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1189
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.320
<v Speaker 3>I've looked into getting them a couple times.

1190
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so all right, So continuing back with the article,

1191
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:44.119
<v Speaker 2>here says rhododundron is poisonous to bees and humans. It

1192
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:53.360
<v Speaker 2>contains an androme androme doc toxin, andrama doc toxin andrameda toxin.

1193
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.559
<v Speaker 2>That's a thing. Oh my god. Okay, yeah, it contains

1194
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:01.960
<v Speaker 2>an andromeda toxin. Mountain little also contains an androma to

1195
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:06.360
<v Speaker 2>toxin that can poison humans. California buckeye annually causes the

1196
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:09.880
<v Speaker 2>losses of bee honey bee colonies throughout its range on

1197
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 2>the western slopes of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. In California,

1198
01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:18.280
<v Speaker 2>yellow jasmine can poison humans who might eat honey made

1199
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.880
<v Speaker 2>from this plant. WHOA didn't know that did not? Bees

1200
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:27.239
<v Speaker 2>forging on the flowers of yellow jasmine appear intoxicated, become paralyzed,

1201
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:31.159
<v Speaker 2>and die. Yellow jasmine has been reported to cause periodic,

1202
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.639
<v Speaker 2>periodic poisoning of bees from Florida to Texas.

1203
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.639
<v Speaker 3>Wow, did you know that Florida is actually one of

1204
01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 3>the places where they have a lot of the bees

1205
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:43.239
<v Speaker 3>that they transport to California from. It's one of the

1206
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.000
<v Speaker 3>nesting areas during the winter.

1207
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I can honestly say that never occurred to me, I

1208
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:51.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't think California got cold enough to where they would

1209
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 2>need to have like, like it would make sense if

1210
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:59.119
<v Speaker 2>you're trying to like improve the bee population of Montana, right,

1211
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:01.119
<v Speaker 2>so you would go for bees that came from a

1212
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:05.199
<v Speaker 2>warmer climate to try to like boost the population in

1213
01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:10.039
<v Speaker 2>some cold ass place California. They're Florida bees. That's crazy.

1214
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:14.119
<v Speaker 3>California transports in millions and millions of bees every year

1215
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:15.760
<v Speaker 3>for the for the almonds.

1216
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea.

1217
01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Every single year. Yeah, they buy them. And so the

1218
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:24.159
<v Speaker 3>commercial bee situation is what the whole conversation will eventually

1219
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:28.000
<v Speaker 3>lead to. But that's they get them from certain states

1220
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:28.679
<v Speaker 3>in the country.

1221
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, learn something new every day. But okay, so

1222
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.320
<v Speaker 2>this is again, this is kind of talking about some

1223
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:42.039
<v Speaker 2>of the more potentially natural reasons why beehive collapse disorder

1224
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:45.679
<v Speaker 2>might be a thing. Right. Sometimes it's because these bees

1225
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.559
<v Speaker 2>got into some toxic nectar or pollen that they brought

1226
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:51.840
<v Speaker 2>back to their hive, made poisonous honey with, and then

1227
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.519
<v Speaker 2>they tried eating off of it and the entire hive dies. Now,

1228
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.000
<v Speaker 2>you would think that these bees that have been around

1229
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Speaker 2>for over a billion years would have enough of the

1230
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.719
<v Speaker 2>built in senses to know, hey, wait a minute, that's

1231
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.079
<v Speaker 2>not the right smell. I shouldn't bring that pollen back.

1232
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:08.280
<v Speaker 2>But apparently it still happens to such a level to

1233
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.360
<v Speaker 2>where sometimes the entire hive can die as a result.

1234
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:14.960
<v Speaker 3>So do you remember a couple of years ago where

1235
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.920
<v Speaker 3>there was a whole bunch of raids on honey on

1236
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.840
<v Speaker 3>honeybee hives, right, I just I just thought about this.

1237
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:25.320
<v Speaker 3>There was a whole bunch of videos showing of people

1238
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:30.559
<v Speaker 3>going to honeybee farms and like purposely destroying them, throwing

1239
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.079
<v Speaker 3>them in the There was a video, a really good

1240
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:36.800
<v Speaker 3>video of there was this one the whole colony was

1241
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:39.920
<v Speaker 3>thrown out into the water and you see them trying

1242
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.239
<v Speaker 3>their best to save the queen, and oh, it was

1243
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.320
<v Speaker 3>really sad. Actually, I felt really bad for the person

1244
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:49.320
<v Speaker 3>because like all of their hives were destroyed by somebody

1245
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:52.039
<v Speaker 3>came in and decided I'm going to burn and destroy

1246
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.360
<v Speaker 3>all these hives in the middle of the night. And

1247
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:56.960
<v Speaker 3>it was a big thing. It was like two or

1248
01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.119
<v Speaker 3>three years ago. It was this weird thing that just

1249
01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.400
<v Speaker 3>happened with people. But they burn them, they destroyed them,

1250
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:05.199
<v Speaker 3>they drown them, Like, I don't understand why you would

1251
01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:06.239
<v Speaker 3>go after honey bees.

1252
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.159
<v Speaker 2>But okay, because I think to most people, a bee

1253
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.519
<v Speaker 2>is a bee is a bee, and they only see

1254
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it as the thing that swarms and stings them, and

1255
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:17.360
<v Speaker 2>they don't realize how important they actually are to our ecosystem.

1256
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:20.079
<v Speaker 2>And I could understand that as far as the ignorance goes.

1257
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:22.079
<v Speaker 2>But going out of way in the middle of the

1258
01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:25.719
<v Speaker 2>night to try to destroy another person's property, like, I

1259
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:28.840
<v Speaker 2>don't I can't speak to all states. But go ahead

1260
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.360
<v Speaker 2>and go on to a farmer in Louisiana's land and

1261
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.039
<v Speaker 2>go try to fuck with his bees that is a

1262
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:37.159
<v Speaker 2>lynchpin in his livelihood. You're gonna get your ass shot.

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01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.119
<v Speaker 2>That's ridiculous.

1264
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.679
<v Speaker 3>I do like that bees. So if they pollinate different areas,

1265
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.760
<v Speaker 3>they taste the honey taste different. That's my favorite thing,

1266
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:48.599
<v Speaker 3>how you can like And they have it all labeled

1267
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:52.719
<v Speaker 3>wildflower bees or wildfow honey or this kind of honey. Yeah,

1268
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:54.880
<v Speaker 3>I love the different tastes of honey.

1269
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:57.760
<v Speaker 2>So a guy that I go and retreat with every year,

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01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:01.159
<v Speaker 2>he runs this place called Ka Kai Farm, which, yeah,

1271
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:05.840
<v Speaker 2>he's great. He was a pilot, And I forget the

1272
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:08.440
<v Speaker 2>type of helicopter he was piloting. But essentially it's like

1273
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 2>the army's version of a cobra. I don't know what

1274
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.719
<v Speaker 2>their version of it is. But long story short, he

1275
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:18.560
<v Speaker 2>has all kinds of physical issues because of the amount

1276
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.359
<v Speaker 2>of explosions, Like the rockets were literally next to him,

1277
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:25.000
<v Speaker 2>not like down by the bottom of the craft. Bind

1278
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:28.000
<v Speaker 2>means like next to the cockpit, and every time one

1279
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.680
<v Speaker 2>went off, it was like explosions going off next to him.

1280
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:33.880
<v Speaker 2>He has all kinds of equilibrium issues now, all these things.

1281
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:37.800
<v Speaker 2>So he was on like thirteen different types of medication

1282
01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:40.920
<v Speaker 2>from the VA. So we started looking at more holistic

1283
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:45.960
<v Speaker 2>approaches and he found the magic of the elderberry and

1284
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.840
<v Speaker 2>so he decided to pour all of his resources into

1285
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:52.720
<v Speaker 2>his elderberry farm. So he does elderberries and blueberries, which

1286
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:57.039
<v Speaker 2>is excellent. He started he kept beehives there to help

1287
01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:01.359
<v Speaker 2>the pollination of his plants, and then it ended up

1288
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:03.399
<v Speaker 2>that the bee hives were making him more money than

1289
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the berries were. So he's just doing it all the

1290
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 2>way through. I have tried his elderberry and blueberry whipped

1291
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Speaker 2>honeyes because he brings cases of them to the retreat

1292
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.159
<v Speaker 2>house whenever he comes with us. I want to get

1293
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:19.199
<v Speaker 2>him on the show here soon. But it is that's

1294
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the best honey I've ever had in my life.

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01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:25.000
<v Speaker 3>I love Elderberry. Shut well, I know, I actually don't have.

1296
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:29.239
<v Speaker 3>We used to make jokes about the Elderberry distributor like this.

1297
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:32.640
<v Speaker 3>One person would come in and bring cases. You'd order

1298
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.159
<v Speaker 3>ahead of time, and they would make the batches and

1299
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.199
<v Speaker 3>you had to pay up front. And they would come

1300
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.800
<v Speaker 3>in and my girl Lauren, she'd be like, Hey, how

1301
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:41.479
<v Speaker 3>much do you want? And I was like, this is

1302
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.960
<v Speaker 3>like a drug deal for Elderberry. But that shit is

1303
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.840
<v Speaker 3>so amazing. Everyone else around us was sick all the time,

1304
01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:51.600
<v Speaker 3>and we would be chugging this stuff. And when people

1305
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:54.039
<v Speaker 3>would get sick around us, or the kids would get sick,

1306
01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:57.239
<v Speaker 3>and then you just hear drink Elderberry non stop. Yeah,

1307
01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:58.760
<v Speaker 3>it would be done with that in like a day

1308
01:09:58.840 --> 01:09:59.159
<v Speaker 3>or two.

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01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Really a miracle fruit, miracle berry, I should say, And

1310
01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:07.920
<v Speaker 2>not enough people know about it. And you're right, it's

1311
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:10.159
<v Speaker 2>almost like a drug deal at that point, because I'm

1312
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:11.960
<v Speaker 2>not saying it's like trying to take out Big Pharma,

1313
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:13.479
<v Speaker 2>although in a certain regard I think it is, but

1314
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:17.119
<v Speaker 2>that's not this conversation, but agreed, agreed, fuck big pharma.

1315
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.000
<v Speaker 2>But there's not enough people that are growing it on

1316
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:21.760
<v Speaker 2>such a mask. Go, it's not something you're gonna like

1317
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:24.560
<v Speaker 2>find in the stores, right. If you do, it'll be

1318
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:28.079
<v Speaker 2>something that has been heavily processed and might have elderberry flavorings,

1319
01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:30.359
<v Speaker 2>but it's not gonna be like pure elderberry juice or

1320
01:10:30.439 --> 01:10:31.000
<v Speaker 2>jam or whatever.

1321
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.680
<v Speaker 3>The case is down the street sells it actually, really

1322
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:37.680
<v Speaker 3>yeah right, really they sell that. A little old lady

1323
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:40.640
<v Speaker 3>actually got them to start carrying it. She only has

1324
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:43.600
<v Speaker 3>about like six of them in there at a time,

1325
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:47.359
<v Speaker 3>but she sells them in batches, but in batches, in batches.

1326
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's legit. See Ralph's for anybody who doesn't know,

1327
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:51.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a little mom and pop shop that's not too

1328
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:55.560
<v Speaker 2>far from us. There's like Ralph's chains and everything that's

1329
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:57.920
<v Speaker 2>not this. This is a family owned and operated thing.

1330
01:10:57.960 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 2>They only have two locations period.

1331
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:01.640
<v Speaker 3>It's fantastic.

1332
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:04.520
<v Speaker 2>That is amazing. I didn't know that, but yeah, that's

1333
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.239
<v Speaker 2>the thing. It's something that is it's either very seasonal

1334
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.840
<v Speaker 2>or it's very small batch. So it kind of gets

1335
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:11.359
<v Speaker 2>to that point to where it's like, yo, how many

1336
01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:13.439
<v Speaker 2>cases do you want like, I gotta you gotta pay

1337
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.319
<v Speaker 2>up front. I need to know now because if you

1338
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:17.600
<v Speaker 2>don't order it, I got fifteen people on my phone

1339
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that will be ordering. Like you know it's She would.

1340
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:22.399
<v Speaker 3>Drive four hours to come down here to bring it

1341
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:25.920
<v Speaker 3>to us, and so I'd buy the big, big jars

1342
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:28.439
<v Speaker 3>of it. I would buy four or five of the

1343
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:32.319
<v Speaker 3>amount of time just to stock up. And then unfortunately

1344
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:35.079
<v Speaker 3>she stopped making it, and I found somebody that's about

1345
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:37.479
<v Speaker 3>an hour away from here that started making it. And

1346
01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:40.039
<v Speaker 3>I tried the stuff, and honestly, it's not the same.

1347
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:43.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't know why, but like their stuff

1348
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:46.840
<v Speaker 3>isn't as concentrated I feel like. And it did okay,

1349
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.239
<v Speaker 3>but it wasn't the same as taking that lady.

1350
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Is that we did no, I believe you. Although I

1351
01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:54.399
<v Speaker 2>do have that plug. And you know what, I don't

1352
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:57.239
<v Speaker 2>mind giving this guy a shout out because A he's

1353
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:01.079
<v Speaker 2>a homie and B I love his product, So cock

1354
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Eyed Farms. Anybody who's curious go check them out. That'd

1355
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:09.319
<v Speaker 2>be my homeboy. Well, Louren Brow is the wife Brandon bro.

1356
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:15.399
<v Speaker 2>He's the farmer that does it. Elderberry blueberry whipped honey,

1357
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:18.880
<v Speaker 2>it is so fucking good. But then also the elderberry

1358
01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:22.000
<v Speaker 2>juice and everything else that he has on his farm phenomenal.

1359
01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:24.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so he's a Louisiana based farmer. We talked

1360
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:26.640
<v Speaker 2>about him a couple of episodes ago, as a matter

1361
01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.439
<v Speaker 2>of fact, when we were talking with the Laughing Buddha Nursery, which,

1362
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.439
<v Speaker 2>believe it or not, I don't know if you, well, no,

1363
01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:35.199
<v Speaker 2>you weren't on the episode for that one, but it

1364
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:37.960
<v Speaker 2>was a guy who my brother in law is friends

1365
01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:41.159
<v Speaker 2>with him through just the farming community, and he was

1366
01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:44.920
<v Speaker 2>telling me about his whole setup. Today, as I was

1367
01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:46.800
<v Speaker 2>leaving a meeting that I had in New Orleans, I

1368
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:50.079
<v Speaker 2>found myself outside of his nursery that he started before

1369
01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:53.600
<v Speaker 2>he started his homestead farm situation, and it's still operating

1370
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.000
<v Speaker 2>in metaury and I'm just like the world just keeps getting.

1371
01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Smaller, smaller every time every time. He actually has a

1372
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:03.680
<v Speaker 3>phone number. If anybody wanted to contact Brandon, it's two

1373
01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:07.119
<v Speaker 3>two five eight zero six eight nine three one, or

1374
01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:11.000
<v Speaker 3>you can email them at Brandon Brandon Atcockeyedefarms dot com

1375
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:12.600
<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure you can reach out and see if

1376
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.199
<v Speaker 3>he actually is able to deliver.

1377
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:17.600
<v Speaker 2>They have a web from mistake. Excuse me, Yeah, I'm

1378
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:22.079
<v Speaker 2>sure you could go online. It's www dot Cockeyedefarms dot com.

1379
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Order some of his shit. It's amazing, it's so good anyway,

1380
01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.760
<v Speaker 2>all right, So back back to the point, right, the

1381
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Elderberry's and the honey. Back to the bee conversation. Now,

1382
01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:36.079
<v Speaker 2>another thing that we had brought up earlier, the destructor

1383
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:41.119
<v Speaker 2>mites that they have, the vero veroa veroa mites. I'm

1384
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna get that word right. These things are a it's

1385
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:47.880
<v Speaker 2>basically a plague on the bee population. And I don't

1386
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.439
<v Speaker 2>believe that this was manufactured by humans or anything like that. However,

1387
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:55.760
<v Speaker 2>there is laboratories that are genetically modifying bees to be

1388
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:59.239
<v Speaker 2>able to fight back against these things. But this is

1389
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:03.560
<v Speaker 2>another issue that has led to the colony collapse disorder,

1390
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.680
<v Speaker 2>because you got to understand, colony collapse disorder is something

1391
01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.680
<v Speaker 2>that they can't pinpoint an exact reason for it. There's

1392
01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:13.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of hypotheticals, but it's almost like a sudden

1393
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:17.079
<v Speaker 2>infinite death syndrome, right Like, there's a long list of

1394
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:21.000
<v Speaker 2>hypothetical reasons for why this is happening, but it's also

1395
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:26.159
<v Speaker 2>very possible it's like ten different possible options. So the

1396
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:29.800
<v Speaker 2>colony collapse disorder. One thing that they're finding is the

1397
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:33.520
<v Speaker 2>verroamites within some of these hives that is leading to

1398
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:36.319
<v Speaker 2>the mass destruction. So we're gonna get into this article.

1399
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:37.760
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to read the entire thing because it

1400
01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:41.079
<v Speaker 2>is quite lengthy, but that's fine. That's fine. That's what

1401
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:44.960
<v Speaker 2>we're here for. Honey bees learn to fight deadly verroamites.

1402
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.359
<v Speaker 2>In the face of colony collapse, some beekeepers are foregoing

1403
01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:53.840
<v Speaker 2>insecticides and opting instead to breed bees with mite resistant behaviors.

1404
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Let's dive into it here. So the rise of the

1405
01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:59.960
<v Speaker 2>resistant bees. Since the mid nineteen nineties, researchers and beekeep

1406
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.560
<v Speaker 2>have observed mite resistance in several wild and domestic bee populations.

1407
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:07.479
<v Speaker 2>More recently, scientists have linked it to a set of

1408
01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:13.439
<v Speaker 2>behavioral behaviors collectively known as baroa sensitive hygiene or VISH.

1409
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.560
<v Speaker 2>These behaviors include cleaning and removing larva in parasited or

1410
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:21.880
<v Speaker 2>parasiteized cells, removing adult mites from the bodies of adult

1411
01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:26.520
<v Speaker 2>bees with a grooming behavior, and uncapping and recapping infested

1412
01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:30.880
<v Speaker 2>brood cells, which may disrupt the mite's life cycle with

1413
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Asian honeybees. Or While Asian honey bees had hundreds of

1414
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:37.479
<v Speaker 2>years to adapt to the mites, scientists have found that

1415
01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:39.760
<v Speaker 2>it might not take that long for bees to develop

1416
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:43.359
<v Speaker 2>a natural resistance behaviors. A decade ago, a group of

1417
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:45.800
<v Speaker 2>scientists started taking a hard look at samples of wild

1418
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:49.079
<v Speaker 2>bees collected around Ithaca, New York from nineteen seventy seven

1419
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:53.000
<v Speaker 2>to twenty ten, a period which conveniently spans the introduction

1420
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:57.439
<v Speaker 2>of the varoa to the US. Conveniently, indeed, you know,

1421
01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:58.520
<v Speaker 2>but okay.

1422
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Just conveniently, we just centered do something that kills off

1423
01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:02.640
<v Speaker 3>the bees.

1424
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.399
<v Speaker 2>Right conveniently when we're trying to push for less of

1425
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:10.159
<v Speaker 2>a bee population, and this might just happens to get

1426
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.359
<v Speaker 2>introduced is around the same time that this organization started

1427
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:17.520
<v Speaker 2>heavily watching the bees. Interesting how that ties together, But anyway,

1428
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:20.640
<v Speaker 2>they found that when veroa was first introduced, the population

1429
01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:23.600
<v Speaker 2>of wild bees plummeted, but they didn't go extinct. In

1430
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:27.039
<v Speaker 2>response to this new pressure, the bees adapted. The scientists

1431
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.800
<v Speaker 2>found that by twenty ten, these wild bees exhibited two

1432
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:34.039
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty two genetic changes. Holy crap, So from

1433
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:38.640
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven to twenty ten, so a little over forty years,

1434
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:42.960
<v Speaker 2>they are already showing developmental changes two hundred and thirty

1435
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:47.520
<v Speaker 2>two genetic changes. While scientists don't fully understand the consequences

1436
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.399
<v Speaker 2>of these changes, they were also able to determine that

1437
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:53.920
<v Speaker 2>about half were related to pupil development, a key period

1438
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.399
<v Speaker 2>for the mites and the bees, because the mites breed

1439
01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:59.039
<v Speaker 2>in the brood cells that house the bee larvae as

1440
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:02.560
<v Speaker 2>they developed into pus pewpe pupa, you know what I mean.

1441
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Scientists also found genetic changes related to B dopamine receptors,

1442
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:10.520
<v Speaker 2>body shape, and wing size. While these adaptations require further research,

1443
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:16.079
<v Speaker 2>they have hypathestized hypothesized Jesus that the changes in dopamine

1444
01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:20.680
<v Speaker 2>receptors encouraged grooming, so bee keepers breed to fight the mites.

1445
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Many bee keepers are now watching their hives closely for

1446
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:26.800
<v Speaker 2>these behaviors. The b Monks in West Virginia, for instance,

1447
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:30.199
<v Speaker 2>open their hives once a month from May to October

1448
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:34.039
<v Speaker 2>to do a veroa might count. By observing the bees,

1449
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:38.199
<v Speaker 2>they can sometimes catch glimpses of vsh behaviors like grooming

1450
01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.119
<v Speaker 2>in action, but the real data comes from the might counts.

1451
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:45.119
<v Speaker 2>In Vermont Troy Hall of Hall apiaries, which an apiary

1452
01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:50.840
<v Speaker 2>is a spot where there's tons of beehives, essentially opens

1453
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:53.039
<v Speaker 2>hives in the field during the summer and examines the

1454
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:57.159
<v Speaker 2>pupa in To measure vs H. He looks to at

1455
01:17:57.199 --> 01:18:01.159
<v Speaker 2>the percentage of reproductive mites, those with mites, and non

1456
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:04.880
<v Speaker 2>reproductive mits in the brute, because colonies with VSH traits

1457
01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:09.279
<v Speaker 2>will remove pupe with reproductive mits and ignore non reproductive mits.

1458
01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:12.720
<v Speaker 2>The higher the percentage of infected cells with non reproductive mits,

1459
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the more VSH traits the colony displays. Hall uses the

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01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:21.239
<v Speaker 2>colonies with high levels VSH traits to breed new generations

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01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:24.720
<v Speaker 2>of bees for his apiary. Hall began raising mite resistant

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01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.880
<v Speaker 2>bees around twenty years ago and was skeptical of traditional

1463
01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:31.880
<v Speaker 2>treatments like amatraz from the start. Early on, he said,

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01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I decided it would be best to develop systems of

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01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:37.279
<v Speaker 2>management that would be good for the future. The earlier

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01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:40.039
<v Speaker 2>years were tough. When he started with around one hundred hives,

1467
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:43.279
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't much advice available for beekeepers looking to take

1468
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:46.319
<v Speaker 2>on this journey. We had no real way to measure resistance,

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01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 2>he said. The only logical way was just to withhold treatment.

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01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:53.760
<v Speaker 2>It was simple. Those who survived were bred. No one

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01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:57.159
<v Speaker 2>was sharing methods or success at the time. We all

1472
01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:01.600
<v Speaker 2>had to be our own trailblazers. For many small beekeepers,

1473
01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:06.439
<v Speaker 2>that's still the breeding method in Pennsylvania. Michael Scott. Michael Scott,

1474
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:10.840
<v Speaker 2>of course, who's that the office and beside the point,

1475
01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:15.960
<v Speaker 2>who goes by? The renaissance beekeeper doesn't monitor for VSH,

1476
01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:19.560
<v Speaker 2>but he does carefully select his bees. His most successful

1477
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:22.880
<v Speaker 2>b yard started with a few untreated hives that survived

1478
01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:25.840
<v Speaker 2>when all others failed. He still adds to his b yard,

1479
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:29.039
<v Speaker 2>but only with colonies that survive into their second season.

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01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Dennis Fletcher, a hobbyist beekeeper and retired operating nurse in Kentucky,

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01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:36.520
<v Speaker 2>believes that one of the keys to good beekeeping is

1482
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:40.760
<v Speaker 2>being open minded. After researching VSH, she spotted signs of

1483
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:42.960
<v Speaker 2>it in her own hives, but these days, she says,

1484
01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty hands off. Fletcher isn't up for the kind

1485
01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:49.720
<v Speaker 2>of frequent monitoring that hall and be monks perform. Instead,

1486
01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:54.039
<v Speaker 2>she is experimenting with time oregano and wintergreen essential oils,

1487
01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:59.600
<v Speaker 2>which may be effective in killing varoomites and reducing disease issues. Wow,

1488
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:02.760
<v Speaker 2>so Anyway, Like I said, the article is quite long

1489
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:04.399
<v Speaker 2>and we do not have to read the entire thing,

1490
01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:07.760
<v Speaker 2>but basically, these mites are a real problem for bees

1491
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:11.600
<v Speaker 2>and bee hives, and now they're starting to find ways

1492
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:15.359
<v Speaker 2>of fixing it genetically within the bees. Actually, speaking of

1493
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:17.800
<v Speaker 2>we have an a little video pulled up here that's

1494
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:20.119
<v Speaker 2>going to give a better deep dive into the vera

1495
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:23.000
<v Speaker 2>mic conversation. Again, for anybody that wants to see this,

1496
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:25.319
<v Speaker 2>please come to patreon dot com slash call it the

1497
01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Conspiracy Podcast link in the description below to see what

1498
01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:30.239
<v Speaker 2>the hell we are talking about rather than just hear

1499
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:33.359
<v Speaker 2>it without further ado. Let's learn more about these mites

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01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:36.039
<v Speaker 2>that might be causing the destruction of so many beehives.

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01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's a go to recipe for bee keepers. It's called

1502
01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>a sugar shake. Take a half cup of bees that's

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01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.920
<v Speaker 1>about three hundred, Put them in a jar and cover

1504
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:02.600
<v Speaker 1>them with a mesh lid. Add two tablespoons confectioner sugar.

1505
01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Shake for thirty seconds. We're going for a nice even coat.

1506
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Empty the sugar onto a tray and there you have it. Frosted.

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01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Varroa mites aka Varroa destructor. They're a honeybee's worst enemy.

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01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:28.720
<v Speaker 1>The fine powdered sugar made them lose the grip they

1509
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:33.560
<v Speaker 1>had on their hosts. A minute ago. The mites were

1510
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:37.279
<v Speaker 1>on the bees in the hive. It's as if you

1511
01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:41.479
<v Speaker 1>were carrying around a tick the size of a dinner plate.

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01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Every year, up to half the managed honey beehives in

1513
01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the United States die from hazards like pesticide exposure, lack

1514
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of flowers to forage on year round, and Varroa mites.

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01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:57.800
<v Speaker 3>To feed.

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01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Averroa mite nestle between the bees protective plates. It digs

1517
01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>in with its gnarly mouth, the nathosoma. The mite sinks

1518
01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:16.640
<v Speaker 1>it into a crucial organ called the fat body. It's

1519
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a layer of tissue that lines the abdomen, sort of

1520
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:24.119
<v Speaker 1>like the human liver. The fat body helps the bee

1521
01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:29.479
<v Speaker 1>break down harmful stuff, including pesticides, and it maintains the

1522
01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:34.239
<v Speaker 1>bee's immune system, so when verroamites attack the fat body,

1523
01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:39.560
<v Speaker 1>they seriously weaken the bee. The mites can also transmit

1524
01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:42.520
<v Speaker 1>a virus that causes a bee to be born with

1525
01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:48.239
<v Speaker 1>deformed wings no good for flying. Let's go back to

1526
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:52.239
<v Speaker 1>the sugar shake. Beekeepers use them to monitor the verroamites

1527
01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:57.199
<v Speaker 1>in their hives. As few as three mites per half

1528
01:22:57.239 --> 01:23:00.479
<v Speaker 1>cup of bees could kill a hive within them year.

1529
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:07.760
<v Speaker 1>That's because varroamites are great at sneaking into hives, hiding,

1530
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and reproducing like mad. The first mite gets into a

1531
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>hive by hitching a ride on a bee from another colony.

1532
01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the bee's own colony wasn't doing well and it

1533
01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:28.399
<v Speaker 1>was looking for a new home. The mite sniffs around

1534
01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:35.000
<v Speaker 1>for a bee larva and sneaks in right before the

1535
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>bees cover the cell with wax. The defenseless larva is

1536
01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:45.680
<v Speaker 1>now trapped with its enemy, which begins to feed. As

1537
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the larva grows into a pupa, the mite, called a foundress,

1538
01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:58.279
<v Speaker 1>starts her family. Take a look underneath this bee pupa.

1539
01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:01.880
<v Speaker 1>The mite's firstborn is all always a son. The rest

1540
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:04.880
<v Speaker 1>are daughters. They're hard to tell a part when they're young.

1541
01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:11.079
<v Speaker 1>When the siblings come of age inside the cell, they'll

1542
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:15.239
<v Speaker 1>meet up on this pile of mite poop. Maybe they're

1543
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>guided by the scent and they'll mate with each other.

1544
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes two foundresses make it into a cell, then.

1545
01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Their offspring get to mate with someone there.

1546
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Not related to The mites live off the bee puopa,

1547
01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:36.239
<v Speaker 1>but they don't kill it. When the bee is all

1548
01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:39.239
<v Speaker 1>grown up, it choose its way out of the cell.

1549
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>The mite slips onto its next victim. So why don't

1550
01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the bees just pick those mites off themselves. Well, we

1551
01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't start seeing veroamites in the US until the nineteen eighties.

1552
01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:13.319
<v Speaker 1>They evolved on eastern honeybees in Asia. That's why the

1553
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:17.119
<v Speaker 1>western honeybees in the Americas and Europe aren't yet good

1554
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:22.560
<v Speaker 1>at defending against them. When bee keepers find mites in

1555
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:26.159
<v Speaker 1>a sugar shake, they treat a hive with pesticide strips

1556
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:31.800
<v Speaker 1>that kill the mites, But mites are becoming resistant, so

1557
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:37.399
<v Speaker 1>researchers are selectively breeding honeybees to fight back. The US

1558
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Department of Agriculture and private companies are breeding bees that

1559
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:46.520
<v Speaker 1>can sniff out veroamites. When the bees find some, they

1560
01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:53.079
<v Speaker 1>uncap the cells and interrupt reproduction. The bees then recycle

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01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the unlucky PUPA.

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01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:56.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're eating it.

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01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:02.439
<v Speaker 1>At Purdue and Central State Universe Cities, scientists breed honeybees

1564
01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:12.399
<v Speaker 1>known as mite biters. After collecting sperm from a mail bee,

1565
01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>they inseminate a queen. Both the queen and the male

1566
01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:22.279
<v Speaker 1>come from colonies that are particularly good at killing mites

1567
01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>by chewing off their legs. It's a grisly end for

1568
01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:34.239
<v Speaker 1>these tormentors and just maybe a fair shake for the honeybees.

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01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we learned a little bit about the mites there,

1570
01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>and now that there are laboratories, they're actually genetically breeding

1571
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:44.560
<v Speaker 2>bees in order to eat the mites or at least

1572
01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:46.880
<v Speaker 2>eat their legs to where they're unable to move around

1573
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>and reproduce. In all of these things, so it's even

1574
01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>further showing that nature versus you know, science on this

1575
01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:58.520
<v Speaker 2>in certain cases, scientists are helping nature to fight and

1576
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:02.079
<v Speaker 2>defend itself. I agree that seems to be doing well, but.

1577
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:05.119
<v Speaker 3>They were already mutating on their own two hundred and

1578
01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:08.439
<v Speaker 3>thirty two times in forty years. Is in scene to

1579
01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:11.560
<v Speaker 3>mutate all on their own, but then increasing that to

1580
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:15.520
<v Speaker 3>help fight this off. Hopefully that will at least eliminate

1581
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.039
<v Speaker 3>these stupid mites that were introduced to them.

1582
01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Which and again, this is not the only reason why

1583
01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>colony collapse disorder is happening, although it is a reason

1584
01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>why it has happened. But I also want to point

1585
01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:30.039
<v Speaker 2>out that she brought up a very good point the

1586
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:34.359
<v Speaker 2>narrator there this was she said, half of the managed

1587
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:37.640
<v Speaker 2>bee hives that go down go down because of these

1588
01:27:37.680 --> 01:27:41.079
<v Speaker 2>mites and things like this. But again the very critical

1589
01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:45.560
<v Speaker 2>statement there managed hives. And I feel like that's a

1590
01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:47.960
<v Speaker 2>point that a lot of people are missing whenever they're

1591
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:51.319
<v Speaker 2>talking about how so many bees are endangered right now

1592
01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:54.079
<v Speaker 2>and all these hives and they're collapsing and all this.

1593
01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:59.199
<v Speaker 2>We don't have any record of hives in the wild

1594
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:03.800
<v Speaker 2>going down like this. It seems to be only managed

1595
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:06.880
<v Speaker 2>hives that are in the real mix of the conversation.

1596
01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:09.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there are certain hives in nature that also

1597
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:15.039
<v Speaker 2>get disrupted from a litany of sources. Sure, but it's

1598
01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:19.119
<v Speaker 2>not as much of as what we see with managed tives.

1599
01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:23.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that they're tracking the managed hives more closely.

1600
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:27.479
<v Speaker 3>They're monitoring instead of I don't know specifically, if they're

1601
01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:32.279
<v Speaker 3>out and doing management of the local you know, beehive population,

1602
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:35.319
<v Speaker 3>but you'd have to find all the hives and then

1603
01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:39.239
<v Speaker 3>continuously monitor them. They did have this cute little camera

1604
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:42.039
<v Speaker 3>that they put on bees. It's like a little tracking thing.

1605
01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:44.920
<v Speaker 3>They capture the bee and they put it on the

1606
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:48.000
<v Speaker 3>bean and this a little tiny monitoring theod go pro. Yeah,

1607
01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:51.640
<v Speaker 3>pretty much. It's like a little grow put and go pro.

1608
01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow my words, I got words now? Are I know?

1609
01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:58.279
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it follows them all around and where they

1610
01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:00.920
<v Speaker 3>go in the flight patterns because they they track them

1611
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:03.399
<v Speaker 3>just like they do with sharks. They they track their

1612
01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:07.239
<v Speaker 3>flight patterns and trying to see where all the bees

1613
01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:09.920
<v Speaker 3>are going and what they're doing and where they're collecting

1614
01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:13.079
<v Speaker 3>and if what they're if the areas are that collecting in,

1615
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:17.399
<v Speaker 3>what is what is the environmental factors that are causing

1616
01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:20.399
<v Speaker 3>issues within the hives? Is there any does it change

1617
01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:23.960
<v Speaker 3>the way that the the honey is and what does

1618
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.680
<v Speaker 3>it tastes like and all that kind of stuff.

1619
01:29:26.119 --> 01:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow? Okay, so all of this to be said, CCD

1620
01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:36.119
<v Speaker 2>is an issue. But talking about the conspiratorial side of things,

1621
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>there is some there's some rather interesting and in my opinion,

1622
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:47.279
<v Speaker 2>some funny possible conspiracies surrounding the bag population. Uh. Some

1623
01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:50.520
<v Speaker 2>are even suggesting that they might be tied to aliens,

1624
01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:53.600
<v Speaker 2>which is great, that's that's phenomenal.

1625
01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:59.359
<v Speaker 3>There's two actual conspiracies with aliens. One is that aliens

1626
01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:03.439
<v Speaker 3>are taking bees. So the bees that are just disappearing

1627
01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:07.319
<v Speaker 3>from CCD that they just you know, wherever they go to,

1628
01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:10.479
<v Speaker 3>it's actually aliens that are coming and taking them to

1629
01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:16.000
<v Speaker 3>experiment them, experiment on them, or use them for some purpose.

1630
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Using to pollinate their planets basically.

1631
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:24.319
<v Speaker 3>Maybe, I mean they've been around since Crestaceous, thank you word,

1632
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:25.319
<v Speaker 3>or the Cretaceous.

1633
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Crestaceous is like crabs and tripp Cretaceous period.

1634
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:31.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they've been around since then, So.

1635
01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:33.119
<v Speaker 2>There also might be some to be said for that

1636
01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>if aliens are at In case they are real in

1637
01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:39.840
<v Speaker 2>this conversation, let's just assume that that's a statement that's real.

1638
01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:43.159
<v Speaker 2>And if they were to come to Earth and find

1639
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:48.279
<v Speaker 2>the hardest working organism that we have on this planet,

1640
01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:50.560
<v Speaker 2>it would make sense that they would just snatch up

1641
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:52.039
<v Speaker 2>whole hives of bees.

1642
01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:55.479
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, it's a super organism. How bees are

1643
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:58.359
<v Speaker 3>and how they're interconnected, and how they work with each other,

1644
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:02.039
<v Speaker 3>and the hive mindset and all this stuff. It's crazy

1645
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:07.000
<v Speaker 3>in and of itself. How they adapt genetically they're built

1646
01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:12.439
<v Speaker 3>for their jobs is crazy that they actually have that

1647
01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:16.920
<v Speaker 3>already pre program into them. So I guess, in a sense,

1648
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.199
<v Speaker 3>if I was an alien, I would be looking for

1649
01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:22.520
<v Speaker 3>something that could potentially save my planet or help in

1650
01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:24.840
<v Speaker 3>some way also, you would definitely be it.

1651
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>They say that aliens might have a hive mind in

1652
01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:31.239
<v Speaker 2>and of themselves, so that might also speak to that language,

1653
01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:32.079
<v Speaker 2>so to speak.

1654
01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:36.399
<v Speaker 3>So the other conspiracy is that honeybees are actually alien

1655
01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:37.720
<v Speaker 3>secret agents.

1656
01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:40.439
<v Speaker 2>Okay, go there.

1657
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:45.359
<v Speaker 3>And because so, honey bees actually see colors differently than us,

1658
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:50.800
<v Speaker 3>like completely differently than how we see color, and they

1659
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:56.239
<v Speaker 3>can also they also see polarized light, they sense electric fields,

1660
01:31:56.279 --> 01:32:00.000
<v Speaker 3>and they have a magnetic sensitivity to the Earth's magne

1661
01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:03.439
<v Speaker 3>field in and of itself. So the theory is is

1662
01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:08.239
<v Speaker 3>that they are like super soldier, sneaky flying around, I guess,

1663
01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:10.720
<v Speaker 3>keeping track of all of us. I try to find

1664
01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:12.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot of information into this, and I couldn't find

1665
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.239
<v Speaker 3>a bunch. But it was actually written in one of

1666
01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:20.840
<v Speaker 3>these big articles that was produced by a b group

1667
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:23.399
<v Speaker 3>and it was kind of just going over talking about

1668
01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:26.439
<v Speaker 3>different conspiracies and it highlighted both of them. And I

1669
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:31.159
<v Speaker 3>was surprised that they actually discussed aliens with bees. But

1670
01:32:31.239 --> 01:32:35.560
<v Speaker 3>then I found a small podcast talked about it on YouTube.

1671
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:39.119
<v Speaker 3>It was like a minute long video. But they're like, yep, nope,

1672
01:32:39.199 --> 01:32:42.800
<v Speaker 3>bees are definitely connected to aliens. And they're being used

1673
01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:48.960
<v Speaker 3>for nefarious purposes to be to track us and record back.

1674
01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.680
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, why would bees, of all people, all

1675
01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:55.680
<v Speaker 3>the different things, why would bees be? But apparently bees

1676
01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:58.439
<v Speaker 3>and aliens are a vibe, ah, a.

1677
01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Vibe because they both speak with vibration. I love it,

1678
01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:04.319
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what you might be thinking, good

1679
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:08.079
<v Speaker 2>cult member listening. Wait a minute, bees couldn't survive in space.

1680
01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:12.399
<v Speaker 2>That's not how that works whatsoever? What hell o contrere

1681
01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>mon frere. As a matter of fact, NASA didn't experiment

1682
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>where they sent bees into space to see how they

1683
01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:24.279
<v Speaker 2>would act in a sub gravity or minimal gravity situation.

1684
01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:27.680
<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of different reasons to why they may

1685
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:29.479
<v Speaker 2>have done this. One of them would be that if

1686
01:33:29.479 --> 01:33:33.439
<v Speaker 2>we are going to colonize Mars or colonize any planet whatsoever,

1687
01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:36.600
<v Speaker 2>we're going to need fruits and vegetables on that planet

1688
01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that we can grow in order to sustain ourselves. And

1689
01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:41.359
<v Speaker 2>if you are growing these types of things, you're going

1690
01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:44.359
<v Speaker 2>to need bees. This is the way it works. So

1691
01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>let's get into it. Here it says bees in space.

1692
01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:50.920
<v Speaker 2>This is from science Iowa. Let's talk about it. Make

1693
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:53.840
<v Speaker 2>no mistake about it. Humanity has set its sights on

1694
01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:58.159
<v Speaker 2>sending people to Mars. However, there are countless challenges to overcome.

1695
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:01.479
<v Speaker 2>How will they get there, they safely land, how will

1696
01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>they stay safe from the harsh Martian environment? And what

1697
01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>will they breathe and drink? And a big one, what

1698
01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:09.960
<v Speaker 2>will they eat? Creating food on the surface of Mars

1699
01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:13.439
<v Speaker 2>rather than bringing it or delivering it will be important

1700
01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>for people to want to stay there for a long time. Now,

1701
01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.279
<v Speaker 2>one out of every three bites of food that people

1702
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:23.600
<v Speaker 2>eat wouldn't exist without the working of pollinators, which in

1703
01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>this case would be bees, which are animals that help

1704
01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:28.760
<v Speaker 2>plants reproduce by carrying pollen between them. Bees are among

1705
01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the most important pollinators and they could be very helpful

1706
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:36.319
<v Speaker 2>for creating sustainable Martian agriculture. Now, yes, I understand this

1707
01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:41.039
<v Speaker 2>might sound crazy Martian agriculture. Listen for this. Let's just

1708
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:43.760
<v Speaker 2>assume that physics is real, science is real, in that

1709
01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:47.039
<v Speaker 2>space is an actual thing. Right, Just let's get that

1710
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>out of the way. Now that being said, I have

1711
01:34:50.039 --> 01:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>no idea what the soil composition is on Mars. They

1712
01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>say it's got a lot of iron oxide on it,

1713
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:58.359
<v Speaker 2>which is why it's red fine but if they were

1714
01:34:58.399 --> 01:35:02.159
<v Speaker 2>able to get some sort of agrig bull land situation

1715
01:35:02.319 --> 01:35:06.199
<v Speaker 2>there with a microorganism, I saw they showed signs of

1716
01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:09.439
<v Speaker 2>it anyway, And they don't. They're not saying one hundred

1717
01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:13.560
<v Speaker 2>percent that it is a micro organism that caused these marks.

1718
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>But the only thing that could have caused these marks

1719
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:19.359
<v Speaker 2>is a micro organism. It's like scientists are like super

1720
01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:22.119
<v Speaker 2>leary to stake their reputation on it and put their

1721
01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:25.159
<v Speaker 2>name with it. It's and for anybody who doesn't know,

1722
01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:28.760
<v Speaker 2>it's basically these it's like holes that have been eaten

1723
01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:31.479
<v Speaker 2>away on certain types of rocks and the way that

1724
01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>they were eaten. They are saying that while they can't

1725
01:35:36.319 --> 01:35:40.279
<v Speaker 2>confirm that something living did this, the only time that

1726
01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:43.199
<v Speaker 2>this happens on earth is by a living organism that

1727
01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:46.039
<v Speaker 2>ate it and did this. And so it's this weird.

1728
01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like an unspoken truth that scientists are finally acknowledging, Like, Okay,

1729
01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Mars at one point in time had to have sustained

1730
01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:57.399
<v Speaker 2>life for this to be this way, But nobody wants

1731
01:35:57.399 --> 01:35:59.319
<v Speaker 2>to be the one to put their name on and say, yep,

1732
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Mars got it. So anyway, but that to be said,

1733
01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>we don't know what type of organism. We don't know

1734
01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:08.840
<v Speaker 2>what the biological makeup of it was, We don't know.

1735
01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:11.640
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of unknowns here, and I understand that.

1736
01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:15.640
<v Speaker 2>But if they were to either bring soil or make

1737
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the soil on Mars ag aggregable, excuse me, if they

1738
01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:22.720
<v Speaker 2>were able to melt the ice caves, get water on

1739
01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:27.680
<v Speaker 2>there and make a real farming situation happen. Hypothetically speaking,

1740
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:31.479
<v Speaker 2>it would also stand a reason that they would need pollinators,

1741
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and of course bees would be the natural choice for that.

1742
01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>So I can at least understand why they felt strongly

1743
01:36:37.760 --> 01:36:40.399
<v Speaker 2>enough about this to put them on the Discovery mission

1744
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:42.399
<v Speaker 2>and put them in space, just to see how they

1745
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:45.479
<v Speaker 2>would act in an environment without the same type of

1746
01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>gravity that they've been used to dealing with for the

1747
01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:51.159
<v Speaker 2>last arguably one point six billionaires or some shit.

1748
01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:55.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm curious how that went, Like, how do they like

1749
01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:57.720
<v Speaker 3>vibrate around in zero gravity?

1750
01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's learn about it together, everyone, here we go. Could

1751
01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:04.680
<v Speaker 2>you imagine what Martian farm would look like? A fun

1752
01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>fact using resources like water, oxygen, and food that are

1753
01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:13.319
<v Speaker 2>created at an extraterrestrial destination is known is known as

1754
01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>in situ resource utilization didn't know that while about five

1755
01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:21.600
<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy humans have been to space, more than

1756
01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:25.359
<v Speaker 2>thirty five hundred bees have been to space. Three thousand,

1757
01:37:25.439 --> 01:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>five hundred bees have been to space. Here are a

1758
01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:30.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of times that they made the journey. In nineteen

1759
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>eighty two, NASA sent about fifty insects to space, including

1760
01:37:34.279 --> 01:37:37.880
<v Speaker 2>fourteen honey bees, as part of an Insect Flight Observations

1761
01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:41.479
<v Speaker 2>at Zero Gravity experiment. The scientists made observations about how

1762
01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:44.520
<v Speaker 2>well these insects could fly at zero gravity. According to

1763
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>what they observed, honeybees had a lot of trouble figuring

1764
01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:49.039
<v Speaker 2>out how to fly. It might have been related to

1765
01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the fact they couldn't figure out where they were headed,

1766
01:37:51.920 --> 01:37:55.159
<v Speaker 2>or perhaps they didn't have high enough quality food. There's

1767
01:37:55.359 --> 01:37:57.199
<v Speaker 2>other details on the experiment that you could check out

1768
01:37:57.239 --> 01:38:00.399
<v Speaker 2>if you're really interested. In nineteen eighty seven, this scent

1769
01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:04.439
<v Speaker 2>thirty five hundred bees with the A comparison of honeycomb

1770
01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:11.039
<v Speaker 2>structures built by APIs milifera experiment Okay. The scientists monitored

1771
01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>how well the bees were able to create their honeycombs

1772
01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>and found some very promising results. While a few of

1773
01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:19.479
<v Speaker 2>the bees died and they were able to They were

1774
01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:22.640
<v Speaker 2>able to create honeycomb structures nearly identical to the ones

1775
01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:25.319
<v Speaker 2>bees make on Earth. The bees in the colony also

1776
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:27.800
<v Speaker 2>seemed to be able to navigate around their model better

1777
01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>than the ones that were a part of the nineteen

1778
01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:34.399
<v Speaker 2>eighty two experiment. These two experiments are more than thirty

1779
01:38:34.479 --> 01:38:37.079
<v Speaker 2>years old at this point and were a part of

1780
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:41.720
<v Speaker 2>NASA's Shuttle Student Involvement programmer SSIP that gave students the

1781
01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to propose experiments for flight on now retired space shuttles.

1782
01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:50.920
<v Speaker 2>The more most recent best arenaut quote unquote took flight

1783
01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:58.079
<v Speaker 2>in twenty thirteen during the Megachile Rotunda pro Preception Okay

1784
01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:02.560
<v Speaker 2>and Flight Patterns in Microgramvity experiment that was aboard SpaceX

1785
01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:06.880
<v Speaker 2>CSR fifteen that was the Commercial Resupply Service mission. The

1786
01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:10.840
<v Speaker 2>students that designed this experiment selected a species of solitary

1787
01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>bee known as alfalfa leafcutter bees. They differ from honeybees

1788
01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:17.720
<v Speaker 2>in that they don't live in large colonies. Because of

1789
01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:21.760
<v Speaker 2>their solitary lifestyle, they happen to be super efficient pollinators.

1790
01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:25.720
<v Speaker 2>You could see from a video that they seem to

1791
01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:28.600
<v Speaker 2>have these same problems flying that the honey bees experience

1792
01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:31.359
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty two. There's still so much to learn

1793
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:33.920
<v Speaker 2>about how different types of pollinators might respond to zero

1794
01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>or low gravity environments, as well as enclosed space habitats.

1795
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Understanding how they react to these environments can help us

1796
01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:44.720
<v Speaker 2>plan for the future of horticulture and agriculture on Earth

1797
01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>and space. Maybe the key to helping them fly in

1798
01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:50.279
<v Speaker 2>these situations is raising the bees in space from the

1799
01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:53.520
<v Speaker 2>time they hatch from their eggs, or perhaps we'll need

1800
01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:56.720
<v Speaker 2>to replicate earthbound forces while we're in space that the

1801
01:39:56.760 --> 01:39:58.560
<v Speaker 2>pollinators will be able to get around.

1802
01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:01.760
<v Speaker 3>So I was thinking about that, Yeah, what if they adapted.

1803
01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:05.159
<v Speaker 3>If they adapted that quickly to the mites, and they've

1804
01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:08.479
<v Speaker 3>adapted to everything that has been thrown at them, what

1805
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:11.479
<v Speaker 3>if they just were raised there? I wonder what that

1806
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:11.920
<v Speaker 3>would do.

1807
01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:16.079
<v Speaker 2>So they had they were able to fly in zero gravity,

1808
01:40:16.119 --> 01:40:18.039
<v Speaker 2>but they weren't able to get a real good sense

1809
01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:21.840
<v Speaker 2>of direction. Now, with that being said, I'm wondering if maybe,

1810
01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:26.880
<v Speaker 2>because like you said, they are magnetically sensitive, right, and

1811
01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:29.720
<v Speaker 2>so on Earth we have magnetic poles, they're able to

1812
01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:31.880
<v Speaker 2>get a good sense of direction and bearing based off

1813
01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>of their own natural inhibitors. On a spacecraft, there's all

1814
01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:39.680
<v Speaker 2>kinds of components and electrical things that have magnetic poles

1815
01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:41.560
<v Speaker 2>on it, which would be throwing them all kinds of

1816
01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>wild signals. So to your point, maybe if they were

1817
01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:48.680
<v Speaker 2>hatched in space, maybe they'd be used to it. Maybe

1818
01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:50.560
<v Speaker 2>it would take a couple of generations for them to

1819
01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>adapt to that. Keep in mind, in forty years, they

1820
01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:56.920
<v Speaker 2>had over two hundred adaptations that they were evolutionarily able

1821
01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:59.720
<v Speaker 2>to make, So it's very possible that in a couple

1822
01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:02.439
<v Speaker 2>of generations on a space station these bees would be

1823
01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:05.640
<v Speaker 2>just fine. But the other side to that is they

1824
01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>as far as they're flying goes, if they're in a

1825
01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:12.920
<v Speaker 2>zero gravity environment with nothing to pollinate. I'm wondering if

1826
01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>that might have been an issue too, because at that

1827
01:41:14.840 --> 01:41:18.359
<v Speaker 2>point they were just building a honeycomb to build a honeycomb.

1828
01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:21.359
<v Speaker 2>They weren't like trying to pollinate a plant species that

1829
01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:24.239
<v Speaker 2>they use for food or anything like that. So I'm

1830
01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:26.479
<v Speaker 2>wondering to what level that would go if they were

1831
01:41:26.479 --> 01:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to actually have some sort of an agriculture or

1832
01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:33.600
<v Speaker 2>horticulture situation in space, would they be more directed to

1833
01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>go straight to the pollen regardless of what the magnets

1834
01:41:36.039 --> 01:41:39.279
<v Speaker 2>was telling them, or what the air temperatures or whatever

1835
01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:40.199
<v Speaker 2>the case else was.

1836
01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:42.800
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if they could build like an experimental room

1837
01:41:42.840 --> 01:41:46.520
<v Speaker 3>at the space station and have them raised there and

1838
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:50.880
<v Speaker 3>then have the actual plants that they want and everything

1839
01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:52.920
<v Speaker 3>like that, and let them out and see if they

1840
01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:56.960
<v Speaker 3>are able to pollinate on their own effects efficiently. Maybe

1841
01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:59.000
<v Speaker 3>in that kind of environment. Because you think about all

1842
01:41:59.039 --> 01:42:02.840
<v Speaker 3>the movies they you see about space and they always

1843
01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:06.479
<v Speaker 3>have those, you know, massive areas that have all the

1844
01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:09.279
<v Speaker 3>food in them. I'm wondering if it's something like that

1845
01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:13.279
<v Speaker 3>where they're able to get there, you know, I guess

1846
01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:15.279
<v Speaker 3>the wings about them and figure out where to go

1847
01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:19.000
<v Speaker 3>and stuff. If it was already set up how it

1848
01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:20.560
<v Speaker 3>would be here on Earth.

1849
01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, But at the same time, it is very difficult

1850
01:42:24.039 --> 01:42:28.119
<v Speaker 2>to replicate a zero gravity environment on Earth, Like I'm

1851
01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>usually when they're doing that kind of stuff, they're using

1852
01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:30.960
<v Speaker 2>wires and shit like that.

1853
01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:33.119
<v Speaker 3>No, I meant to take the bees up there and

1854
01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:37.960
<v Speaker 3>just experiment, like create an entire just like room I

1855
01:42:37.960 --> 01:42:40.720
<v Speaker 3>guess or something of where you have a whole bunch

1856
01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:43.439
<v Speaker 3>of plants and see if they're able to figure out

1857
01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:46.159
<v Speaker 3>can you know, are they able to actually do it

1858
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:49.199
<v Speaker 3>on their own, or does it take interesting or does

1859
01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:55.640
<v Speaker 3>it take generations of reproducing to get to whatever adaptation?

1860
01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:58.159
<v Speaker 3>What would be the first adaptation? How long would it

1861
01:42:58.199 --> 01:43:00.920
<v Speaker 3>take for them to adapt? Would they have to change

1862
01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:04.279
<v Speaker 3>their wingspan? Would they have to change how their vertebrae is?

1863
01:43:04.359 --> 01:43:08.119
<v Speaker 3>What would they need to change to be able to adapt?

1864
01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:09.560
<v Speaker 3>And the only way I think they would be able

1865
01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:12.439
<v Speaker 3>to do this is taking them up there and having

1866
01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:15.359
<v Speaker 3>them stay long term at the space station.

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01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I think you might be onto something, but again, that's

1868
01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:21.079
<v Speaker 2>going to space. Even with SpaceX that they were doing

1869
01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>for the resupply thing, that's an expensive endeavor. So we

1870
01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:27.079
<v Speaker 2>would have to get we're not us, but we as

1871
01:43:27.079 --> 01:43:30.640
<v Speaker 2>a human race would have to get enough resources together

1872
01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:33.159
<v Speaker 2>to say yes, if we plan on doing X, Y,

1873
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:37.760
<v Speaker 2>or Z things. As far as whether that's inhabiting Mars

1874
01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:39.000
<v Speaker 2>or whether that's.

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01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:41.319
<v Speaker 3>Just they're already going to colonize it. Though that push

1876
01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:44.800
<v Speaker 3>for that girl already signed up, the twenty six year

1877
01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:48.319
<v Speaker 3>old to live there for indefinitely. I mean that's been

1878
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:51.800
<v Speaker 3>a conversation though since God I was in the Marine Corps,

1879
01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:54.439
<v Speaker 3>so you know, early two thousands and stuff. It's been

1880
01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:58.920
<v Speaker 3>a conversation of inhabiting Mars, and I truly believe that

1881
01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:03.640
<v Speaker 3>they're going to probably build those those huts whatever they're called.

1882
01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:06.960
<v Speaker 3>There's like a special name for those little hexagon huts

1883
01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:09.880
<v Speaker 3>they want to build. Is as long as they can

1884
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:14.439
<v Speaker 3>figure out how to sustain themselves until the next resupplies,

1885
01:44:14.960 --> 01:44:17.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that they're going to continue. They're going to

1886
01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:17.920
<v Speaker 3>start doing.

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01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>That, and so maybe bees will be a part of that.

1888
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

1889
01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:24.239
<v Speaker 2>It's very interesting. So to that point, the whole conversation

1890
01:44:24.319 --> 01:44:27.359
<v Speaker 2>about our bees connected to aliens or something like that,

1891
01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:30.760
<v Speaker 2>we know for sure, at least at one point in time,

1892
01:44:31.640 --> 01:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>they were put to space to see how they would function,

1893
01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:37.520
<v Speaker 2>and the first experiment didn't go too terribly well, but

1894
01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:41.279
<v Speaker 2>they were able to form a honeycomb, they were able

1895
01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:44.239
<v Speaker 2>to fly. So now the next point of that conversation

1896
01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>would be can they pollinate in space? So we will

1897
01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:49.079
<v Speaker 2>just have to wait and see.

1898
01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:53.640
<v Speaker 3>My other thought process to the bee situation on Mars

1899
01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:58.399
<v Speaker 3>would be making fake bees of some type, or making

1900
01:44:58.439 --> 01:45:03.399
<v Speaker 3>some type of fake you know, artificial intelligent type situation,

1901
01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:06.920
<v Speaker 3>because that way you don't have to deal with the loss,

1902
01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:10.079
<v Speaker 3>the devastating loss of an entire colony. If the queen

1903
01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:13.119
<v Speaker 3>dies or something gets spread through them, maybe there's some

1904
01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:15.439
<v Speaker 3>kind of weird microorganism that would take them out.

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01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:17.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny that you mentioned this, because the

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01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:19.399
<v Speaker 2>next thing that we are going to be bringing up

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01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:23.079
<v Speaker 2>as a matter of fact is earthbound pollinators that they

1908
01:45:23.079 --> 01:45:27.119
<v Speaker 2>are trying to use robotic pollinators to replace bees. And

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01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:31.359
<v Speaker 2>to your point, if this does work successfully on Earth,

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01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>why wouldn't it successfully work in space. So we're gonna

1911
01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.560
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and check it out at this time. As

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01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:42.239
<v Speaker 2>bees die, NASA inspired robot could fill the pollination void.

1913
01:45:42.359 --> 01:45:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Check this shit out.

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01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:48.000
<v Speaker 5>We've taken a lot of the autonomy tools that we

1915
01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:50.960
<v Speaker 5>developed during the NASA Centennial Challenge and we're bringing it

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01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:53.079
<v Speaker 5>back down to this earthbound application.

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01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.600
<v Speaker 4>Well know that the bees are dying.

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01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:57.880
<v Speaker 10>Bees are dying, and we are having an issue with

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01:45:58.000 --> 01:45:59.920
<v Speaker 10>pollination capability for our crops.

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01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:02.039
<v Speaker 4>So we need to find a way to keep up

1921
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:05.680
<v Speaker 4>with the agriculture without necessarily relying on the beast.

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01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:07.760
<v Speaker 3>This is our pollination robot.

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01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:10.039
<v Speaker 10>This robot has to drive around in a greenhouse and

1924
01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:12.199
<v Speaker 10>make decisions about which flowers to pollinate.

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01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:13.920
<v Speaker 1>We have to be able to navigate or you can

1926
01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:16.439
<v Speaker 1>detect a flower that is ready to be pollinated.

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01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:18.720
<v Speaker 10>We want to use a robotic arm to pollinate each

1928
01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:19.800
<v Speaker 10>flower individually, and.

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01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:22.199
<v Speaker 2>They should be able to do all this completely autonomously,

1930
01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:23.479
<v Speaker 2>so you can see all.

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01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:25.960
<v Speaker 10>Of the objects that it's detecting. A lot of the

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01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:29.079
<v Speaker 10>same technologies and techniques that we learned through a Centennial

1933
01:46:29.159 --> 01:46:31.079
<v Speaker 10>Challenges definitely apply to this project now.

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01:46:31.159 --> 01:46:34.279
<v Speaker 9>So if we can parliament flower, we can probably pick fruit.

1935
01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:35.359
<v Speaker 10>Possibilities around us.

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01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:38.800
<v Speaker 9>Definitely think the Centennial Challenge helped a lot in making

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01:46:38.920 --> 01:46:40.039
<v Speaker 9>this project possible.

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01:46:41.279 --> 01:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>So the Centennial Challenge put on by West Virginia University,

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01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:47.800
<v Speaker 2>if anybody wants to look into that, it's literally what

1940
01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about. Autonomous robots that are able to pick

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01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:55.159
<v Speaker 2>out which flowers or which fruit or whatever else is

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01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:58.399
<v Speaker 2>ready to be pollinated and then doing it artificially.

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01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Man, they've taken the job of humans and bees.

1944
01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh they really are. And then let's go to this

1945
01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:08.680
<v Speaker 2>next one over here, Technion Israel Institute of Technology. Yes,

1946
01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Israel's getting their shout out here too, Jews. They are

1947
01:47:12.479 --> 01:47:15.920
<v Speaker 2>actually creating drones to replace bees. Many drones.

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01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:18.800
<v Speaker 3>Many drones tiny like the size of your thumb, so

1949
01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:20.159
<v Speaker 3>like nano technology.

1950
01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Not well, I guess technically speaking it b nano, but

1951
01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>essentially it's a drone that's like the size of your

1952
01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:28.840
<v Speaker 2>thumb that is gonna be able to pollinate in place

1953
01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:33.239
<v Speaker 2>of bees. Check this shit out. It's mind blowing. And

1954
01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:35.199
<v Speaker 2>also gonna leave the mics on because I don't think

1955
01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:36.600
<v Speaker 2>they have a lot of speaking on this one, so

1956
01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:44.159
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be describing what we're looking at here. So

1957
01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:46.319
<v Speaker 2>they got this little robot with a launch pad and

1958
01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:49.279
<v Speaker 2>there's four little drones on it and more like the

1959
01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:53.039
<v Speaker 2>palm of your hand size. Now on screen, Now I'm

1960
01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:55.439
<v Speaker 2>gonna turn the bees down a little bit. Here on screen,

1961
01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>they're showing these drones that are it's a simulation, but

1962
01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:00.880
<v Speaker 2>they're able to hit all these key points on these trees.

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01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:04.640
<v Speaker 2>But you couple this with what we just watched. West

1964
01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Virginia University just developed their centennial project. Now we're showing

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01:48:09.439 --> 01:48:11.640
<v Speaker 2>real life to sit in a simulation. These are real

1966
01:48:11.720 --> 01:48:15.279
<v Speaker 2>drones on a real plant that are able to hit

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01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and pollinate in this way.

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01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:22.119
<v Speaker 3>So it's seeing that these three drones were able to

1969
01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:26.720
<v Speaker 3>experimentally polliny on one hundred and seventy eight and now

1970
01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:31.039
<v Speaker 3>they these three drones are actively pollinating fifty two flowers.

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01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:34.680
<v Speaker 2>We're watching it in real time. These drones are replacing bees.

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01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:36.640
<v Speaker 3>That's insane to me.

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01:48:37.439 --> 01:48:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And this is from two years ago.

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01:48:39.840 --> 01:48:42.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean the technology is probably already completed.

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01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:46.119
<v Speaker 2>This point, absolutely, and that's it. In just that time,

1976
01:48:46.319 --> 01:48:49.039
<v Speaker 2>less than thirty seconds, we watched them pollinate.

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01:48:49.079 --> 01:48:53.399
<v Speaker 3>That entire report shows poliny in three minutes, fifty two flowers.

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01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:57.359
<v Speaker 3>The jone yep stayed sea distanced.

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01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Away YEP, so they didn't actually interact with the wildlife.

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01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:03.039
<v Speaker 2>It's not like the little blades or any risk of

1981
01:49:03.079 --> 01:49:06.119
<v Speaker 2>cutting the flowers or cutting the leaves or anything like that.

1982
01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:12.119
<v Speaker 2>The target allocation algorithm adjusted the parameters five times in

1983
01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:16.039
<v Speaker 2>that three minute span. No downwash interferences were observed, and

1984
01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:19.399
<v Speaker 2>there was a position ere of give or take point

1985
01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:23.680
<v Speaker 2>one meters, so a millimeter tolerance.

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01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:29.039
<v Speaker 3>I can't like, I feel bad for replacing the bees,

1987
01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:32.000
<v Speaker 3>but I'm also this is quite effective. I mean, fifty

1988
01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:35.199
<v Speaker 3>two flowers in three minutes versus how I wonder how

1989
01:49:35.279 --> 01:49:39.039
<v Speaker 3>long it takes an average bee to pollinate.

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<v Speaker 2>Ie, no idea.

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01:49:39.720 --> 01:49:42.079
<v Speaker 3>You know that's something. I'm going to sit here and

1992
01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:43.359
<v Speaker 3>look up while we watch this video.

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01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:45.800
<v Speaker 2>We can totally google that. I mean, how long does

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01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:50.239
<v Speaker 2>it take for a bee to actually pollinate? I mean

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01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:54.439
<v Speaker 2>fifty two flowers. I feel like that's a weird, a

1996
01:49:54.479 --> 01:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>weird number to throw out there, but since that is

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01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>what was just done. It took these drones three minutes.

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01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:02.520
<v Speaker 2>And this was that was actually three drones. So it

1999
01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:06.479
<v Speaker 2>took three drones three minutes to pollinate fifty two flowers.

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01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:10.439
<v Speaker 2>So I'm very curious if bees actually have you know,

2001
01:50:10.479 --> 01:50:11.880
<v Speaker 2>are they more efficient at it?

2002
01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:15.000
<v Speaker 3>What the case was, I'm looking it up right now.

2003
01:50:15.239 --> 01:50:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm curious to see what it says. It says the

2004
01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:21.079
<v Speaker 3>time it takes for a bee to poliny a single

2005
01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:25.520
<v Speaker 3>flower can vary, but generally, generally a bee visits multiple

2006
01:50:25.560 --> 01:50:29.239
<v Speaker 3>flowers during each trip, spending only a few seconds to

2007
01:50:29.319 --> 01:50:32.279
<v Speaker 3>a couple minutes on each flower to collect. An overall,

2008
01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:35.880
<v Speaker 3>bee can visit fifty to one hundred flowers in a

2009
01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:40.640
<v Speaker 3>single collection trip. One trip, one trip, so that's an

2010
01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:47.000
<v Speaker 3>entire day. Wow, So these these drones were more effective

2011
01:50:47.039 --> 01:50:51.239
<v Speaker 3>in three minutes than an entire day work of a bee.

2012
01:50:51.560 --> 01:50:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's not good.

2013
01:50:52.720 --> 01:50:56.399
<v Speaker 3>That's really not good. But I guess my next question is, so,

2014
01:50:56.520 --> 01:50:59.560
<v Speaker 3>if it pollinates, is this just using it for commercial use,

2015
01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:02.399
<v Speaker 3>the ones where they have to bring in the millions

2016
01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:05.600
<v Speaker 3>of bees from the bee hives. Is that what they're

2017
01:51:05.640 --> 01:51:09.359
<v Speaker 3>going to use this for? Or is this going to

2018
01:51:09.479 --> 01:51:13.560
<v Speaker 3>interact with the bees in natural environment? Because if the

2019
01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:16.800
<v Speaker 3>bees are out there doing their work and these tiny

2020
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:19.159
<v Speaker 3>little drones are out there, are the bees going to

2021
01:51:19.159 --> 01:51:22.880
<v Speaker 3>become more aggressive? Is it going to interact with its

2022
01:51:23.079 --> 01:51:27.479
<v Speaker 3>actual ability to find the flowers to pollinate with? Are

2023
01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:31.439
<v Speaker 3>they going to end up killing the bees somehow? I

2024
01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:33.319
<v Speaker 3>guess I have a lot of questions. I feel like

2025
01:51:33.359 --> 01:51:37.159
<v Speaker 3>this would be more of a controlled experiment of you know,

2026
01:51:37.199 --> 01:51:39.319
<v Speaker 3>taking it to the almond groves.

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01:51:39.640 --> 01:51:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Well that's the other thing too, It's about cost effectiveness

2028
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:44.920
<v Speaker 2>at that point, right, I have no idea how much

2029
01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:47.520
<v Speaker 2>these drones and this whole rig in the computer system

2030
01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and all these things costs or what the upkeep is,

2031
01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Like how how long is this one of those drones

2032
01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:55.640
<v Speaker 2>going to be good for? Is one of these drones

2033
01:51:55.640 --> 01:51:57.800
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to last you an entire season, right?

2034
01:51:57.920 --> 01:52:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Or is it something that maybe at or a couple

2035
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:02.079
<v Speaker 2>of weeks a little motor gives out on you or

2036
01:52:02.119 --> 01:52:04.600
<v Speaker 2>something like that. That's the other thing too, Even if

2037
01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:07.119
<v Speaker 2>it's let's say it costs. I don't even know what

2038
01:52:07.159 --> 01:52:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the average upkeep is on a bee hive as far

2039
01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:12.600
<v Speaker 2>as the cost is concerned, but they seem like they

2040
01:52:12.680 --> 01:52:15.720
<v Speaker 2>pretty much run themselves right once you build in the winter.

2041
01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:18.279
<v Speaker 3>In the winter is the how they got to keep

2042
01:52:18.279 --> 01:52:19.560
<v Speaker 3>them alive through the winter.

2043
01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:22.199
<v Speaker 2>But I thought the bees collect honey and survive that

2044
01:52:22.239 --> 01:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>way through the winter.

2045
01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:25.119
<v Speaker 3>They kind of like seal them up in little plastic

2046
01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:28.119
<v Speaker 3>things to try to keep them alive and stuff like that.

2047
01:52:28.319 --> 01:52:30.800
<v Speaker 3>And then Japanese people were talking about going and checking

2048
01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:33.960
<v Speaker 3>them every month for mites. Yeah, so I mean, I

2049
01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:37.960
<v Speaker 3>don't really know. I feel like these these drones and

2050
01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:43.119
<v Speaker 3>the other robot would cost initial upfront way more than

2051
01:52:43.680 --> 01:52:44.880
<v Speaker 3>a couple million bees.

2052
01:52:45.199 --> 01:52:46.439
<v Speaker 2>But if it's that effective.

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01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:48.760
<v Speaker 3>But if it's that effective and last that long, then

2054
01:52:48.880 --> 01:52:52.439
<v Speaker 3>overall you'd replace bees. But then what does that do

2055
01:52:52.560 --> 01:52:57.960
<v Speaker 3>then for the overall population of honey bees? Because what

2056
01:52:58.079 --> 01:52:59.640
<v Speaker 3>happens to the bees once they're.

2057
01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Done and once they're not able to go get pollen, yeah,

2058
01:53:03.039 --> 01:53:07.119
<v Speaker 2>and make honey for themselves or survive. But that being said,

2059
01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:10.720
<v Speaker 2>if we are talking about terraforming Mars or something like that,

2060
01:53:11.199 --> 01:53:13.560
<v Speaker 2>this would be more effective, right, And when they did

2061
01:53:13.600 --> 01:53:16.840
<v Speaker 2>these experiments with the bees in space in the eighties,

2062
01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:21.119
<v Speaker 2>small nanodrone technology was something that was beyond the realm

2063
01:53:21.159 --> 01:53:24.920
<v Speaker 2>of sci fi, honestly, or at least that was that point.

2064
01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:27.520
<v Speaker 2>But now even they were talking about in twenty fourteen

2065
01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:30.920
<v Speaker 2>with SpaceX they brought bees up there. We didn't have

2066
01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:33.319
<v Speaker 2>the drone capability in twenty fourteen. Yeah, we had like

2067
01:53:33.359 --> 01:53:35.880
<v Speaker 2>predator drones and shit like that. You had the small

2068
01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:37.760
<v Speaker 2>little handheld with the raven I think is what it

2069
01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:38.439
<v Speaker 2>used to be called.

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01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is definitely more advanced technology, more precise technology.

2071
01:53:43.640 --> 01:53:46.680
<v Speaker 3>So I'm curious to see this would make more sense

2072
01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:50.800
<v Speaker 3>for me how I was talking about the lab grown Yeah, situation,

2073
01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:54.039
<v Speaker 3>you could use either or probably, honestly the other one

2074
01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:57.279
<v Speaker 3>that there was. The other experiment makes more sense to me,

2075
01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:02.399
<v Speaker 3>But that would alleviate trying to bring live, you know,

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01:54:02.439 --> 01:54:03.680
<v Speaker 3>insects up into space.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the other thing too. Let's say that you

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<v Speaker 2>were successfully able to breed a couple of generations of

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01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:11.920
<v Speaker 2>bees in space, and they could figure out how to

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01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:15.520
<v Speaker 2>do all that. What's to say that they wouldn't experience

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01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:18.920
<v Speaker 2>some sort of a CCD type of situation on Mars,

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01:54:18.920 --> 01:54:20.319
<v Speaker 2>and at that point you're fucked.

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01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're completely screwed.

2084
01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:24.199
<v Speaker 2>There's no way you're getting a whole new shipment of

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01:54:24.239 --> 01:54:27.880
<v Speaker 2>bees and then breeding them a couple of generations worth

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01:54:27.960 --> 01:54:31.560
<v Speaker 2>in space again to try again. So, now that this

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01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:35.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of technology is a real possibility, I'm wondering if

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01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:39.239
<v Speaker 2>they're even concerned about bringing bees to Mars or are

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01:54:39.239 --> 01:54:41.520
<v Speaker 2>they just gonna let technology and AI do the work.

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01:54:42.119 --> 01:54:45.079
<v Speaker 3>Probably not, I mean AI is taking over everything, But

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01:54:45.239 --> 01:54:48.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean I can see them just saying screw it,

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01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:54.319
<v Speaker 3>because there's so many interferences with how bees operate in space,

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01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:58.119
<v Speaker 3>would be hard to even try to predict what could

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01:54:58.119 --> 01:55:00.600
<v Speaker 3>go wrong, at least with this is the tain little

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01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.760
<v Speaker 3>piece of technology that you're just using to pop it

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01:55:04.039 --> 01:55:07.199
<v Speaker 3>pollinate for fifty two flowers in three months.

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<v Speaker 2>That's insane. I didn't realize what that rate looked like

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01:55:10.119 --> 01:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>as compared to actual live bees. That's one scary.

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01:55:13.960 --> 01:55:17.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one bee takes any it takes all day to

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01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:19.640
<v Speaker 3>pollinate fifty two one hundred flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. And now with all that being said, talking more

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01:55:23.239 --> 01:55:25.800
<v Speaker 2>about technology and bees, we now have to worry about

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01:55:25.840 --> 01:55:29.600
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese scientists that had created cyborg bees that can

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01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:34.680
<v Speaker 2>be controlled like drones for undercover military missions. Super not

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<v Speaker 2>in the realm of conversation as far as the bee

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01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:40.000
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy that we keep hearing about how the bee hives

2107
01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:43.039
<v Speaker 2>are better than ever slash, they're all dying and shit.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we're talking about conspiratorial things and bees and

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<v Speaker 2>now we're talking about robots, I felt like it was

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<v Speaker 2>only right that we at least give this its moment.

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<v Speaker 2>This article was written in July of this year, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. So Seal Team b Okay researchers at the

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<v Speaker 2>Beijing Institute Technology have turned innocent bees into cyborgs that

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<v Speaker 2>can be controlled via a seventy four milligram insect brain

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01:56:07.239 --> 01:56:12.119
<v Speaker 2>controller WOW. As The South China Morning Post reports, the

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01:56:12.159 --> 01:56:15.399
<v Speaker 2>controller pierces the bee's tiny brain with three needles and

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01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:19.760
<v Speaker 2>uses signals sent via electronic pulses to make it fly forwards, backwards, left,

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<v Speaker 2>or right. According to the reporting, the bee obeyed these

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01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:26.840
<v Speaker 2>commands nine out of ten times. The researchers are hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that the tiny cyborg could allow the military to infiltrate

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01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:33.000
<v Speaker 2>hard to access spaces or be used in search and

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01:56:33.039 --> 01:56:36.319
<v Speaker 2>rescue missions to find survivors in natural disasters. According to

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01:56:36.359 --> 01:56:41.279
<v Speaker 2>a research paper, insect based robots inherit the superior mobility,

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01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:47.000
<v Speaker 2>camouflage capabilities, and environmental adaptability of their biological hosts. The

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01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:51.960
<v Speaker 2>paper reads, as quoted by SCMP the Hive Mind, the

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01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:54.920
<v Speaker 2>idea of turning real life insects into military agents is

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01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:59.239
<v Speaker 2>surprisingly widespread. We've already come across scientists turning cockroaches into

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01:56:59.279 --> 01:57:03.319
<v Speaker 2>crawling legions of desert recon operatives. Earlier this year, a

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01:57:03.359 --> 01:57:06.840
<v Speaker 2>team of Japanese scientists even controlled cicadas to turn their

2130
01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:09.840
<v Speaker 2>chirps into a rendition of the soundtrack of Top Gun,

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01:57:10.079 --> 01:57:11.319
<v Speaker 2>which is actually pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 5>What.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't even know this was the thing.

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01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:18.079
<v Speaker 2>They were just trying to fuck with mother nature. They

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01:57:18.119 --> 01:57:19.199
<v Speaker 2>just can't leave shit alone.

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<v Speaker 3>So surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>The Beijing team is betting on the extended operational endurance

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01:57:24.199 --> 01:57:28.600
<v Speaker 2>of real bees, which makes them invaluable for covert reconnaissance

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01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:33.279
<v Speaker 2>in scenarios such as urban combat, counter terrorism, and narcotics interdiction,

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01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:36.760
<v Speaker 2>as well as critical disaster relief operations. Yeah, that's exactly

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01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:39.119
<v Speaker 2>what I need. I got a flood going on, Me

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01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:40.920
<v Speaker 2>and my family are trying to get to higher ground,

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01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:43.800
<v Speaker 2>and I got a bee that keeps buzzing around my head. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna smack that. I'm gonna ruin their cyborg.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always like the way that they decided to talk

2146
01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:53.199
<v Speaker 3>about stuff is well, this is for the betterment of people.

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01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:55.039
<v Speaker 2>It's always for the betterment.

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01:57:54.760 --> 01:57:56.960
<v Speaker 3>And they always played up to it's for the betterment

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01:57:57.039 --> 01:57:59.680
<v Speaker 3>of people. This is not nefarious. This is going to

2150
01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:01.960
<v Speaker 3>be some thing that's good for us, and then it

2151
01:58:01.960 --> 01:58:05.000
<v Speaker 3>gets taken and gone to complete shit, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine that they're telling you that these bees

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01:58:07.000 --> 01:58:08.840
<v Speaker 2>are going to be able to help you, tell find

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01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:11.560
<v Speaker 2>you in a disaster situation, Then you don't know if

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01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:14.199
<v Speaker 2>the bee that's buzzing around your flower garden is actually

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01:58:14.199 --> 01:58:15.039
<v Speaker 2>spying when you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what this plays into my mind right now

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01:58:18.399 --> 01:58:21.159
<v Speaker 3>of the whole situation in the UK and how they're

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01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:24.680
<v Speaker 3>taking away their rights and how they it's pretty much

2160
01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:27.960
<v Speaker 3>a v for vendetta situation that's happening. So they're you know,

2161
01:58:28.039 --> 01:58:30.079
<v Speaker 3>how the trucks would go by and be listening to

2162
01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:32.319
<v Speaker 3>what people are saying. Absolutely, why do you need that

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01:58:32.359 --> 01:58:36.680
<v Speaker 3>when you just have now covert freaking bees of all things.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they could have chose a better insect for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess they were successful in three needles to

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01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:45.640
<v Speaker 2>their little brain. That was all it took.

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01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:49.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they fly fast, so you have a higher

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01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:51.439
<v Speaker 3>chance of not being able to kill the bee than

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01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:53.920
<v Speaker 3>other insects, So I understand why they would choose that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this gives the whole fly on the wall

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01:58:57.439 --> 01:59:00.359
<v Speaker 2>a whole new spin, doesn't it. Oh?

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01:59:00.439 --> 01:59:03.479
<v Speaker 3>Kg, this is kind of creepy, like I mean, a

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01:59:03.479 --> 01:59:06.239
<v Speaker 3>lot of AI technology is creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, which is why the creators of AI are all

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01:59:08.680 --> 01:59:12.840
<v Speaker 2>buying underground bunkers to hide from what's coming. But neither

2176
01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:15.800
<v Speaker 2>here nor there. But before an army of bees can

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<v Speaker 2>infiltrate military targets as part of a futuristic covert operation,

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01:59:19.960 --> 01:59:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the researchers still have plenty of hurdles to overcome. For one,

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01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:25.560
<v Speaker 2>power delivery is still a major problem. The bees still

2180
01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:28.039
<v Speaker 2>need to be wired up to the controller to function,

2181
01:59:28.439 --> 01:59:31.239
<v Speaker 2>since a big enough battery weighs in at a relatively

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01:59:31.279 --> 01:59:35.239
<v Speaker 2>hefty six hundred milligrams, vastly more than the tiny load

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01:59:35.439 --> 01:59:39.880
<v Speaker 2>of the equipment itself. In future research, precision and repeatability

2184
01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:44.640
<v Speaker 2>of insect behavior control will be enhanced by optimizing stimulation

2185
01:59:44.800 --> 01:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>signals and control techniques. The researchers are looking to expand

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01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:51.439
<v Speaker 2>the functionalities of the system to the point to where

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01:59:51.479 --> 01:59:55.800
<v Speaker 2>they can be used for quote, reconnaissance and detection missions.

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01:59:56.439 --> 02:00:00.840
<v Speaker 2>So China is already developing cyborg live bees.

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<v Speaker 3>That's creepy.

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02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:04.960
<v Speaker 2>And you couple all of that with what we have

2191
02:00:05.039 --> 02:00:08.279
<v Speaker 2>learned already about the hybridization of bees and how they

2192
02:00:08.279 --> 02:00:11.760
<v Speaker 2>have adapted so quickly to whatever their environment tells them

2193
02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:14.359
<v Speaker 2>that they need to. Right forty years, they had over

2194
02:00:14.399 --> 02:00:18.359
<v Speaker 2>two hundred evolutionary changes just to stay up to date

2195
02:00:18.479 --> 02:00:20.560
<v Speaker 2>on everything and to stay as healthy as they could.

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02:00:21.119 --> 02:00:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Then we're talking about them going to space. Now we're

2197
02:00:23.479 --> 02:00:27.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about cyborg bees. And again, is there any real

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02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:31.560
<v Speaker 2>truth to this conversation? As we keep hearing on all

2199
02:00:31.640 --> 02:00:34.560
<v Speaker 2>these different news sources, half of them are saying that

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02:00:34.720 --> 02:00:37.560
<v Speaker 2>bees are dying in droves and we don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do about it. The other half is saying the

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02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:43.079
<v Speaker 2>bee population is better now than it's ever been throughout

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02:00:43.079 --> 02:00:47.880
<v Speaker 2>recorded history. It's this big, crazy talking point.

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<v Speaker 3>It just brings you back to who's getting money? Yes

2205
02:00:51.800 --> 02:00:54.840
<v Speaker 3>from all of this. So I watched this lengthy video

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02:00:55.119 --> 02:00:57.399
<v Speaker 3>kind of talking about the whole situation with the African

2207
02:00:57.520 --> 02:01:02.520
<v Speaker 3>hybrid bees. And the main point that the creator kept

2208
02:01:02.560 --> 02:01:06.319
<v Speaker 3>bringing it back to was, look, no matter what side

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02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:09.039
<v Speaker 3>you're on, either you're for keeping the bees, you're for

2210
02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:13.479
<v Speaker 3>the extermination of these bees. Either way, people are gaining

2211
02:01:13.600 --> 02:01:17.199
<v Speaker 3>money from this. Yeah, it depends on the development of

2212
02:01:17.239 --> 02:01:20.079
<v Speaker 3>whatever dot dot dot to try and see we need

2213
02:01:20.119 --> 02:01:22.640
<v Speaker 3>to create this experiment with this pesticide, this, this, this.

2214
02:01:23.239 --> 02:01:25.840
<v Speaker 3>They are gaining money from the problem that they created

2215
02:01:26.000 --> 02:01:29.119
<v Speaker 3>decades prior that is still having a trickling effect even

2216
02:01:29.199 --> 02:01:32.600
<v Speaker 3>right now because just these bees are going to stay here,

2217
02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:35.039
<v Speaker 3>right the bees are going to keep working and doing

2218
02:01:35.039 --> 02:01:37.239
<v Speaker 3>what they want to do is going to nature. And

2219
02:01:37.239 --> 02:01:39.880
<v Speaker 3>that that was a big thing, is that when do

2220
02:01:40.000 --> 02:01:44.359
<v Speaker 3>we stop being having our hand in nature? And it's

2221
02:01:44.439 --> 02:01:47.560
<v Speaker 3>it's a question as old as time of us continuously

2222
02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:51.479
<v Speaker 3>screwing with nature and then being like, well, that fucked up,

2223
02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:55.560
<v Speaker 3>Let's try something else. Hey, let's keep trying this until

2224
02:01:55.640 --> 02:01:57.920
<v Speaker 3>we get to the point where like maybe we shouldn't,

2225
02:01:58.079 --> 02:02:00.560
<v Speaker 3>maybe we shouldn't do that, and now we can't turn back,

2226
02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:03.880
<v Speaker 3>so now we try to manage our situations. I don't

2227
02:02:03.920 --> 02:02:06.159
<v Speaker 3>know which article is true. There's a lot of different

2228
02:02:06.760 --> 02:02:09.880
<v Speaker 3>information back and forth of if we're having a crisis

2229
02:02:09.920 --> 02:02:13.399
<v Speaker 3>if we're not. The commercial industry is talking heavily about

2230
02:02:13.479 --> 02:02:18.039
<v Speaker 3>their losses versus just normal everyday beekeepers in the backyard

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02:02:18.319 --> 02:02:19.640
<v Speaker 3>or native bees.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And with that being said, we actually have a

2233
02:02:22.279 --> 02:02:24.640
<v Speaker 2>TikTok that we're going to play here, and this guy

2234
02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:27.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of breaks down the overarching theme that kind of

2235
02:02:28.039 --> 02:02:31.079
<v Speaker 2>dispel and prove some of the things that we are

2236
02:02:31.079 --> 02:02:34.680
<v Speaker 2>hearing from the media. Let's listen. In million dollars in

2237
02:02:34.760 --> 02:02:36.399
<v Speaker 2>dead honeybee colonies looks like.

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<v Speaker 9>First off, I am not critiquing this creator's video. I

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02:02:39.760 --> 02:02:42.479
<v Speaker 9>am just trying to add my two cents and a

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02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:45.640
<v Speaker 9>little depth to the conversation. And many people have sent

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02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:47.000
<v Speaker 9>me this video, so I thought it was a good

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02:02:47.039 --> 02:02:49.319
<v Speaker 9>one to interact with. The biggest takeaway that I want

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02:02:49.319 --> 02:02:51.239
<v Speaker 9>people to have from my video is that this is

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02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:54.800
<v Speaker 9>a commercial beekeeper issue, which means it's an agricultural issue.

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02:02:54.840 --> 02:02:57.319
<v Speaker 9>It's a food system's issue here in the United States.

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02:02:57.880 --> 02:03:02.840
<v Speaker 9>It is not an issue or hobbyist beekeepers to worry about,

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02:03:03.199 --> 02:03:05.960
<v Speaker 9>and it has no impact on our native bee population.

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02:03:06.199 --> 02:03:06.720
<v Speaker 2>This is a.

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02:03:06.720 --> 02:03:11.319
<v Speaker 9>Large issue because it affects how our food is grown

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02:03:11.520 --> 02:03:15.520
<v Speaker 9>and the pollination rates of that which can impact yields

2251
02:03:15.600 --> 02:03:20.640
<v Speaker 9>and there impact our wallets as potentially food costs go up.

2252
02:03:20.640 --> 02:03:25.039
<v Speaker 9>Because of this, our large scale agricultural system is pretty

2253
02:03:25.079 --> 02:03:29.880
<v Speaker 9>much disconnected from our ecosystems at large, mostly because of

2254
02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:35.359
<v Speaker 9>monocultural systems and pesticides. Because of our monocultural systems that

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02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:38.960
<v Speaker 9>we've created in this country, we have to artificially create

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02:03:39.039 --> 02:03:42.760
<v Speaker 9>pollination as well, because there's no ecosystem in those farms

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02:03:43.119 --> 02:03:48.199
<v Speaker 9>to create healthy and normal pollination services. So we invent

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02:03:48.279 --> 02:03:51.600
<v Speaker 9>it and we use commercial beekeeping operations to do so,

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02:03:51.880 --> 02:03:55.640
<v Speaker 9>and these losses are connected with that system solely.

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<v Speaker 6>When you see.

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<v Speaker 9>Statements above that say that this affects all be it's

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02:04:00.520 --> 02:04:04.279
<v Speaker 9>important to note that this is the industry talking about honeybees,

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02:04:04.520 --> 02:04:08.199
<v Speaker 9>and to a layman, this doesn't affect all bees at all.

2264
02:04:08.279 --> 02:04:11.920
<v Speaker 9>This is just commercial beekeeping operation. Seemingly, this is going

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02:04:11.960 --> 02:04:16.640
<v Speaker 9>to be devastating for our honeybee operations, our beekeepers, and

2266
02:04:17.079 --> 02:04:21.880
<v Speaker 9>our crop yields this year and beyond. But we need

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02:04:21.920 --> 02:04:26.479
<v Speaker 9>to start having the separation and conversation between our agricultural

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02:04:26.520 --> 02:04:31.520
<v Speaker 9>systems and our ecosystems, because they are currently as disconnected

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02:04:31.560 --> 02:04:33.359
<v Speaker 9>as they ever have been.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there's a lot of truth to what

2271
02:04:36.760 --> 02:04:40.279
<v Speaker 2>he just said. This seems like it is a for

2272
02:04:40.399 --> 02:04:44.399
<v Speaker 2>lack of better words, industrial beekeeping problem.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what I so. That article that he showed

2274
02:04:47.319 --> 02:04:51.600
<v Speaker 3>in the background, it was the article that's circulating all

2275
02:04:51.640 --> 02:04:55.199
<v Speaker 3>over social media's and I think what he was seeing

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02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:59.000
<v Speaker 3>and what I've found otherwise is that this article is

2277
02:04:59.039 --> 02:05:04.159
<v Speaker 3>discussing the virtualization of bees and that they're seeing massive losses,

2278
02:05:04.239 --> 02:05:07.399
<v Speaker 3>like one hundred and thirty nine million dollars worth of losses,

2279
02:05:08.000 --> 02:05:11.920
<v Speaker 3>and that their bees are dying at like seventy percent.

2280
02:05:12.399 --> 02:05:16.800
<v Speaker 3>And so people are taking that narrative and then running

2281
02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:20.560
<v Speaker 3>with it and saying that it's all bees. I don't

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02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:23.359
<v Speaker 3>know if that's true. I don't know, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's you can't every other thing is saying different stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I don't really know for sure, but it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like this is just an agricultural like, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the commercialized side that they are seeing massive losses from.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's some I think that's fair, right, But then

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<v Speaker 2>we have other people out there that bring in experts

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<v Speaker 2>that say that the entire conversation about the bee loss

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<v Speaker 2>is not a hoax by any means, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>being perpetuated by certain media outlets. And it's the same

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<v Speaker 2>type of media outlets that are telling you that global

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<v Speaker 2>warming is a human problem because we're the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We did this, and in reality it's not so clear cut.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nuances to all of it. When we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the bee population here, I found this video here. This

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<v Speaker 2>is from John Stossel shouts out the bee apocalypse another

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02:06:16.159 --> 02:06:19.640
<v Speaker 2>scare story the media got wrong. I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear all of your take on this one.

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<v Speaker 7>Have you heard about that other environmental crisis. Honey bees

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<v Speaker 7>are dying.

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<v Speaker 6>Something is killing America's bee population.

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<v Speaker 7>For years, the media have talked about be.

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<v Speaker 1>Apocalypse, bees dying off, disappearing.

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<v Speaker 7>All the news shows cover the disaster.

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<v Speaker 8>This might be one of the most interesting, disturbing, and

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02:06:43.760 --> 02:06:46.239
<v Speaker 8>puzzling stories to come along in a long time.

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<v Speaker 7>Famous actors are sold of the b apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty percent of the honeybees disappearing.

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<v Speaker 6>That could have a devastating impact on agriculture.

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<v Speaker 7>But wait, grocery stores still offer lots of baseball games

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<v Speaker 7>are stopped until a beekeeper removes bees. Even here in Manhattan,

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<v Speaker 7>the beekeeper sells millions of bees. Yet the media say

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<v Speaker 7>bees are dying in droves. Now, about twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 7>some American bees did die.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called colony collapse disorder.

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<v Speaker 6>Beekeepers would come back to their hives and they'd be gone.

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<v Speaker 6>All the bees are be gone.

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<v Speaker 7>For several years, beekeepers lost lots of bees.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is what you call a dead hive.

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<v Speaker 6>Ye, empty box, no bees.

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<v Speaker 7>But beekeepers adjusted. They rebuilt the lost colonies by splitting hives,

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02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:40.119
<v Speaker 7>dividing colonies at a big up, new hives. No one

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<v Speaker 7>knows what caused colony collapse disorder, and after a few

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<v Speaker 7>years it diminished. Since then there are thirty one percent

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<v Speaker 7>more bees in America. They could have just googled bee

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<v Speaker 7>population and they would have seen them going off.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, it's farcycle.

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<v Speaker 7>Science writer John en Tyme runs the Genetic Literacy Project

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<v Speaker 7>challenges scientific misinformation in the media.

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<v Speaker 6>We're not, in any way facing an apocalypse involving bees.

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<v Speaker 6>Things have never been better in terms of the numbers

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<v Speaker 6>of bees globally.

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<v Speaker 7>The numbers go up, but they're dying. Stories continued.

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<v Speaker 6>Bees are disappearing worldwide. All you have to do is

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<v Speaker 6>read the basic science on these issues, whether it's on

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<v Speaker 6>the genetically. But he reads that they don't read that.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, more people are going to watch the video that

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<v Speaker 7>says you might starve.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you like to eat?

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02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:34.560
<v Speaker 6>The disappearance of honeybees could have a drastic effect on

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02:08:34.600 --> 02:08:36.359
<v Speaker 6>our nation's food supply.

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<v Speaker 7>Which could lead to millions of people starving in the

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<v Speaker 7>following years. The media are so irresponsible. Time predicted a

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02:08:43.520 --> 02:08:47.079
<v Speaker 7>world without bees, even though this beekeeper who gave the

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<v Speaker 7>magazine this bee for their photo shoot, would have told them.

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<v Speaker 2>The bees will outlast you. They've been around since the

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<v Speaker 2>Cretaceous period.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't remember seeing Time apologize for its cover.

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02:08:58.399 --> 02:09:02.399
<v Speaker 6>Time has not apologized or even written a new article

2351
02:09:02.640 --> 02:09:05.920
<v Speaker 6>that puts this in science perspective. The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 6>about five years later, had a cover story about the

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<v Speaker 6>insect Armageddon, predicting catastrophe. We're losing insects around the world.

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<v Speaker 6>We're not losing insects around the world.

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<v Speaker 7>Did The Times ever apologize for its magazine cover.

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<v Speaker 6>No, they skipped onto another crisis.

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02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:24.039
<v Speaker 7>There's always a scare.

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02:09:23.800 --> 02:09:28.800
<v Speaker 6>Catastrophe, exaggeration. That's what plays, that's what gets the clicks.

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02:09:28.800 --> 02:09:29.840
<v Speaker 7>And if you read their.

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02:09:29.840 --> 02:09:32.840
<v Speaker 6>Entire stories, they don't really have a lot of science.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't have key scientists entomologists giving their opinions on this.

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<v Speaker 6>What they have are the Environmental Working Group or Pesticide

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<v Speaker 6>Action Network framing these issues.

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<v Speaker 1>They're disappearing. That's why Greenpeace set itself a challenge to

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02:09:46.760 --> 02:09:49.319
<v Speaker 1>put a stop to the depths of thousands of fees.

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02:09:49.680 --> 02:09:53.680
<v Speaker 7>Activists make money by scaring people about loss of species.

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<v Speaker 1>If we don't act now, every wild polar bear could

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02:09:57.199 --> 02:09:58.439
<v Speaker 1>be gone forever.

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02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:04.760
<v Speaker 6>Hysteria generates donations, and the oxygen for these organizations is

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02:10:04.960 --> 02:10:07.640
<v Speaker 6>money donated by people who think they're doing good.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is it so important to donate to this fundraiser

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02:10:10.479 --> 02:10:11.159
<v Speaker 3>for Greenpeace?

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02:10:11.720 --> 02:10:15.720
<v Speaker 5>Because it's too hot, because it's too cold, because it rains,

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02:10:15.760 --> 02:10:17.079
<v Speaker 5>because it doesn't.

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02:10:17.000 --> 02:10:21.920
<v Speaker 6>Many of these environmental groups, their policies harm people in

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02:10:21.960 --> 02:10:24.600
<v Speaker 6>the United States and globally how well.

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<v Speaker 7>One way is that the group's demand countries ban fertilizers

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02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:32.439
<v Speaker 7>and new pesticides, but the newest chemicals are often the

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<v Speaker 7>best ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's pesticides are safer than ever.

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<v Speaker 7>The activists blamed pesticides for that colony collapse disorder, even

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02:10:40.640 --> 02:10:44.720
<v Speaker 7>though other countries using the same pesticides had no colony collapse.

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<v Speaker 7>But the facts don't matter. The moronic protests continued, the

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02:10:49.399 --> 02:10:52.079
<v Speaker 7>company isn't doing enough to save the bay on old

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02:10:52.159 --> 02:10:55.279
<v Speaker 7>courses that be declined, but particularly pesticides, Even though b

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02:10:55.439 --> 02:10:59.520
<v Speaker 7>numbers are at a record high, gullible politicians bought the scare.

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<v Speaker 7>Some places banned the newest pesticides.

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<v Speaker 1>The European Union voted to suspend the use of neo

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<v Speaker 1>nikots noise because of possible links to be collapsing.

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<v Speaker 7>That meant farmers often used older, more dangerous chemicals that

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<v Speaker 7>do kill bees. The natural food people say organic, you

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02:11:17.479 --> 02:11:20.520
<v Speaker 7>don't have to have the chemicals. Buy organic and you

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<v Speaker 7>don't get them.

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02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:23.079
<v Speaker 6>They use chemicals extensively.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait, organic farmers use chemicals.

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02:11:26.119 --> 02:11:29.640
<v Speaker 6>Yes, it's not like organic farmers can sprinkle organic fairy

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02:11:29.720 --> 02:11:32.600
<v Speaker 6>dust to get rid of insects and weeds.

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02:11:32.720 --> 02:11:35.279
<v Speaker 7>Instead, they use natural chemicals.

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<v Speaker 6>An example is copper sulfate. It's one of the most

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<v Speaker 6>toxic chemicals in the world. Organic chemicals, because they're not

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02:11:41.560 --> 02:11:45.560
<v Speaker 6>designed to be targeted in many cases, are far for worse.

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<v Speaker 7>Sri Lanka's president listen to the activists and banned chemical

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02:11:49.279 --> 02:11:54.560
<v Speaker 7>pesticides and fertilizers. Suddenly, the same farms produced much less food.

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02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:58.119
<v Speaker 7>They were forced to go organic. Overnight and their production

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02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:04.199
<v Speaker 7>has plummeted, food prices row eighty percent. People invaded the

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02:12:04.199 --> 02:12:07.920
<v Speaker 7>presidential mansion, the president fled the country, and the new

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<v Speaker 7>government ended the crisis only by making chemical fertilizer legal again.

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<v Speaker 6>This attack on industrial chemicals is really a way for

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<v Speaker 6>the environmental industry, and that's what it is to go

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02:12:18.399 --> 02:12:25.520
<v Speaker 6>after what they call big ag big corporations. It's really

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<v Speaker 6>an anti capitalist movement.

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<v Speaker 7>The anti capitalists supposed GMOs, genetically modified organisms. Environmental activists

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<v Speaker 7>persuaded most European countries to basically ban growing GMO crops,

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<v Speaker 7>but genetic modification allows farmers to grow more food on

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02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:50.800
<v Speaker 7>less land. It creates plants more resistant to disease and insects,

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<v Speaker 7>allowing farmers to use fewer pesticides. GMOs benefit everyone, especially

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02:12:57.359 --> 02:13:02.560
<v Speaker 7>poor people. Scientists in Bangladesh and a better GMO eggplant.

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<v Speaker 6>That's decreased the use of chemicals by eighty five percent,

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<v Speaker 6>allowing the women and children who are doing most of

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<v Speaker 6>the farming to live a much more viable life. So

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<v Speaker 6>we really have to be smart about these things.

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<v Speaker 7>We're not going to have being smart.

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<v Speaker 6>Now we're following an outdated forty year old environmental script

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02:13:22.000 --> 02:13:25.680
<v Speaker 6>that just doesn't work in this technologically innovative world. They

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02:13:25.720 --> 02:13:28.960
<v Speaker 6>are outdated and they are hurting the very people, especially

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<v Speaker 6>the developing world, that they claim to want to help.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm very curious what your take is on that,

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<v Speaker 2>because I could understand the points that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make here. I'm not saying I'm pro GMO by any mean,

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, if genetically modifying a plant

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<v Speaker 2>makes it to where you have to use less pesticides

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<v Speaker 2>in order to have a better yield, that sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>an overall better situation, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So I was actually just got me thinking when

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<v Speaker 3>I was listening to them. There is a conversation a

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<v Speaker 3>while back that genetically modified plants have less nutritional value,

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02:14:07.479 --> 02:14:09.560
<v Speaker 3>and so I was actually just looking it up and

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02:14:09.640 --> 02:14:12.079
<v Speaker 3>kind of just seeing it. It was saying that, no,

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02:14:12.239 --> 02:14:16.600
<v Speaker 3>they actually have more enhanced nutritional value. However, there's little

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02:14:16.600 --> 02:14:21.479
<v Speaker 3>evidences suggest that GMO foods are nutritionally superior overall, as

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02:14:21.520 --> 02:14:28.159
<v Speaker 3>many studies find no significant advantages from conventional organic foods,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's kind of the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess nutritionally speaking, it's the same. But if you're

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02:14:32.800 --> 02:14:36.039
<v Speaker 2>using less pesticides on the plant itself. That sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a better alternative.

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<v Speaker 3>It does, I would actually, because for me, I've I've

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02:14:42.159 --> 02:14:44.680
<v Speaker 3>seen a lot of different information just kind of like

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02:14:44.720 --> 02:14:48.680
<v Speaker 3>this whole situation, mixed reviews, mixed information. You don't really

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<v Speaker 3>know whoever is funding the reports or whoever is funding

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02:14:53.199 --> 02:14:57.159
<v Speaker 3>the studies and backing the scientists. They're going to sway

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02:14:57.239 --> 02:15:00.560
<v Speaker 3>their biased opinions in favor of whoever is giving them

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02:15:00.600 --> 02:15:05.319
<v Speaker 3>the paycheck. And I agree that's hard to find unbiased information,

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02:15:05.840 --> 02:15:10.439
<v Speaker 3>especially in a scientific studying. They're supposed to write it unbiasedly,

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02:15:10.560 --> 02:15:13.319
<v Speaker 3>but if you follow along where the money is coming from,

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02:15:13.880 --> 02:15:17.479
<v Speaker 3>they're going to have to sway their stuff. And statistics

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02:15:17.600 --> 02:15:21.199
<v Speaker 3>is actually quite easy to change and sway in favor

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02:15:21.239 --> 02:15:24.960
<v Speaker 3>of whatever you want, if anybody knows how to do statistics.

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<v Speaker 2>So, but talking back to the bee conversation, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>in America, we have laws preventing the use of certain

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<v Speaker 2>types of pesticides because it hurts bees. Other countries that

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<v Speaker 2>do not have those laws, they're saying that the pesticides

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<v Speaker 2>are the reason for the hive collapse. Other countries using

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<v Speaker 2>those exact same chemicals have no hive collapse to be reported,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least not to the scale that it is

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02:15:48.399 --> 02:15:51.359
<v Speaker 2>happening in America. I find that to be very interesting too.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that being said, I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 2>the same genus of bees right like in America. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, sixty to seventy percent of our bees have

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<v Speaker 2>the African genome within them. I have no idea what

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<v Speaker 2>other countries you know that was in that study have

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<v Speaker 2>possibly African genome bees within them or whatever the case is.

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<v Speaker 3>The CCD impacted Europe, Asia and US as well. We

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<v Speaker 3>took the more brun in of the force, which I

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<v Speaker 3>don't quite know why. I was trying to find information

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<v Speaker 3>as to why we were so prevalent compared to other countries.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if the genome situation is different. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you have because you have different species, so potentially that

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<v Speaker 3>might be the issue. I'm curious to see though, if

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<v Speaker 3>GMO is not an issue, because I've read a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff that GMO is just like absolutely the worst

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<v Speaker 3>thing ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well so many people have because it's genetically modified, so

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<v Speaker 2>therefore it must be bad. But it's not inherently a

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<v Speaker 2>true statement though.

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<v Speaker 3>But then you go back to wheat sure. The conversation

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<v Speaker 3>of wheat, our wheat that we have today, the green

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<v Speaker 3>wheat that we have today has been genetically modified.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>It was originally modified to be more yielding, to produce faster.

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<v Speaker 3>Same with potatoes, we modified them to change their genetic

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<v Speaker 3>makeup to that way we could yield more because people

2492
02:17:11.959 --> 02:17:15.079
<v Speaker 3>were starving and they need food. Now there is a

2493
02:17:15.120 --> 02:17:18.200
<v Speaker 3>conversation that they did change and they were they are

2494
02:17:18.319 --> 02:17:22.120
<v Speaker 3>less and less nutritious than they were before. The conversation

2495
02:17:22.280 --> 02:17:24.840
<v Speaker 3>with the less nutritious actually has a lot to do

2496
02:17:24.920 --> 02:17:29.000
<v Speaker 3>with the towering systems where they have the whole warehouses,

2497
02:17:29.440 --> 02:17:32.639
<v Speaker 3>where you're having a ton of plants stacked in. It

2498
02:17:32.799 --> 02:17:35.760
<v Speaker 3>is a minute difference. I've read a lot about the

2499
02:17:35.840 --> 02:17:40.000
<v Speaker 3>vertical gardening and like the small differences versus coming out

2500
02:17:40.079 --> 02:17:42.680
<v Speaker 3>and being in the open. It's because you don't have

2501
02:17:42.719 --> 02:17:46.000
<v Speaker 3>the sun shining on the plant versus the actual lights.

2502
02:17:46.079 --> 02:17:48.120
<v Speaker 3>So there's a little bit of a difference. But if

2503
02:17:48.120 --> 02:17:51.520
<v Speaker 3>you're yielding more crops, then why wouldn't we go with

2504
02:17:51.559 --> 02:17:56.280
<v Speaker 3>the one that's faster and being able to yield more So.

2505
02:17:55.959 --> 02:17:58.959
<v Speaker 2>But that same spirit, for lack of better words, is

2506
02:17:59.000 --> 02:18:01.959
<v Speaker 2>the same conversation to why so many GMO crops have

2507
02:18:02.040 --> 02:18:04.399
<v Speaker 2>become so prevalent in this country because, like you said,

2508
02:18:04.600 --> 02:18:07.360
<v Speaker 2>if it's a minute difference, why aren't we leaning more

2509
02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:08.239
<v Speaker 2>heavily into that.

2510
02:18:08.639 --> 02:18:11.159
<v Speaker 3>There's so many things that we should be like that

2511
02:18:11.159 --> 02:18:14.600
<v Speaker 3>they're poisonous on a daily basis. So if you could

2512
02:18:14.680 --> 02:18:19.520
<v Speaker 3>eliminate pesicides, which is a huge factor, I mean, Sigenta

2513
02:18:19.840 --> 02:18:22.799
<v Speaker 3>owns everything. And I was noticing we read now three

2514
02:18:22.959 --> 02:18:29.520
<v Speaker 3>articles that were represented by the project APIs M. Yeah,

2515
02:18:29.639 --> 02:18:32.159
<v Speaker 3>three of the articles had that in it, and I

2516
02:18:32.239 --> 02:18:36.319
<v Speaker 3>was I just was like, oh, okay, so this this group,

2517
02:18:36.600 --> 02:18:39.200
<v Speaker 3>which is put on by tons of people and we

2518
02:18:39.319 --> 02:18:42.879
<v Speaker 3>kind of like looked into it is definitely funding all

2519
02:18:42.920 --> 02:18:45.639
<v Speaker 3>of these different types of conversations that we're having.

2520
02:18:45.840 --> 02:18:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So.

2521
02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:51.280
<v Speaker 3>I just don't see why. If it's not gonna harm us,

2522
02:18:51.319 --> 02:18:54.399
<v Speaker 3>and it might do better or do good, then why

2523
02:18:54.440 --> 02:18:56.200
<v Speaker 3>not do that instead of using appeal?

2524
02:18:56.920 --> 02:18:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Like but like you said, because so many people think

2525
02:18:59.319 --> 02:19:03.159
<v Speaker 2>immediately when they hear GMO, they think it's worse as

2526
02:19:03.200 --> 02:19:06.159
<v Speaker 2>opposed to when you hear organic. All of us, myself

2527
02:19:06.200 --> 02:19:09.280
<v Speaker 2>included you, everybody thinks that it would be a better alternative,

2528
02:19:09.360 --> 02:19:11.559
<v Speaker 2>and in a lot of cases it can be. But

2529
02:19:11.680 --> 02:19:14.520
<v Speaker 2>then we just that episode we did not too terribly

2530
02:19:14.559 --> 02:19:18.959
<v Speaker 2>long ago. The quote unquote term organic is a very

2531
02:19:19.440 --> 02:19:23.200
<v Speaker 2>very loose and liberal interpretation of what that word can mean,

2532
02:19:23.719 --> 02:19:25.360
<v Speaker 2>and not just from what this video showed us. With

2533
02:19:25.440 --> 02:19:28.040
<v Speaker 2>that the one toxic chemical that they are using that

2534
02:19:28.159 --> 02:19:33.680
<v Speaker 2>is technically speaking organic, there is tons of weird loopholes

2535
02:19:34.079 --> 02:19:37.680
<v Speaker 2>that you can use to get that organic label on

2536
02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:38.399
<v Speaker 2>your packaging.

2537
02:19:38.680 --> 02:19:42.360
<v Speaker 3>And the soil, the soil composition, what's in the soil,

2538
02:19:42.520 --> 02:19:45.479
<v Speaker 3>are they rotating the crops correctly? What kind of pesticides

2539
02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:47.600
<v Speaker 3>have they used in the past before that have seeped

2540
02:19:47.639 --> 02:19:48.399
<v Speaker 3>into the soil?

2541
02:19:48.600 --> 02:19:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Right?

2542
02:19:49.319 --> 02:19:52.159
<v Speaker 3>The aluminum that's found in the bees, because they're getting

2543
02:19:52.200 --> 02:19:55.600
<v Speaker 3>it from that. Tons of bees have aluminum, high levels

2544
02:19:55.600 --> 02:19:59.120
<v Speaker 3>of aluminum in them, including honey bees, And like where

2545
02:19:59.159 --> 02:20:01.399
<v Speaker 3>are they getting that from? Because they're getting it from

2546
02:20:01.680 --> 02:20:05.520
<v Speaker 3>whatever the plants are growing in the dirt from. And

2547
02:20:05.559 --> 02:20:08.559
<v Speaker 3>then you have the whole conversation about water and all

2548
02:20:08.600 --> 02:20:11.159
<v Speaker 3>the chemicals that are in the water. This is a

2549
02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:14.799
<v Speaker 3>multifaceted issue that people are kind of just burying their

2550
02:20:14.840 --> 02:20:17.959
<v Speaker 3>head in the sand. They'll protest for bees, which, yes,

2551
02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:19.920
<v Speaker 3>we need the bees, and I actually have a whole

2552
02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:21.680
<v Speaker 3>bunch of save the bee shirts. I'm one of those

2553
02:20:21.680 --> 02:20:26.840
<v Speaker 3>people for sure, But they won't care about what's being

2554
02:20:26.840 --> 02:20:29.479
<v Speaker 3>in our water, what chemicals are doing that, what kind

2555
02:20:29.520 --> 02:20:33.120
<v Speaker 3>of chemicals are we using, or the appeal the appeal

2556
02:20:33.639 --> 02:20:36.520
<v Speaker 3>thing that they are putting on Bill Gates, whole situation,

2557
02:20:36.879 --> 02:20:40.200
<v Speaker 3>the spray, everyone knows about it. But like whole food

2558
02:20:40.239 --> 02:20:44.120
<v Speaker 3>took off the labels and so people just kind of

2559
02:20:44.159 --> 02:20:46.760
<v Speaker 3>accepted like this is a new norm. So I don't

2560
02:20:46.799 --> 02:20:51.399
<v Speaker 3>really understand. If the GMO plants are not actually hurting

2561
02:20:51.479 --> 02:20:54.760
<v Speaker 3>us in any regard, and they're lessening the pesticides and

2562
02:20:54.920 --> 02:20:57.879
<v Speaker 3>might help out the bees, why don't we just consider

2563
02:20:57.920 --> 02:20:59.040
<v Speaker 3>it as an option.

2564
02:20:59.399 --> 02:21:01.879
<v Speaker 2>I hear you. But then, just like we heard him say,

2565
02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:04.639
<v Speaker 2>and again, we looked up multiple sources that are saying

2566
02:21:04.639 --> 02:21:08.959
<v Speaker 2>that the bee population is actually doing better now than

2567
02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:11.239
<v Speaker 2>it has in the last forty years, and there are

2568
02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:13.799
<v Speaker 2>still some some issues. One hundred percent, there are hives

2569
02:21:13.799 --> 02:21:16.760
<v Speaker 2>that do die every winter. That is an absolute fact.

2570
02:21:17.479 --> 02:21:22.399
<v Speaker 3>On average of the hives are dying every winter.

2571
02:21:22.440 --> 02:21:25.479
<v Speaker 2>But somehow the bee population is at an all time high.

2572
02:21:25.680 --> 02:21:28.399
<v Speaker 2>They really two things can be right, right, two things

2573
02:21:28.440 --> 02:21:31.319
<v Speaker 2>can absolutely be true at the same time. But just

2574
02:21:31.360 --> 02:21:33.280
<v Speaker 2>like they said in that in that video, which I

2575
02:21:33.319 --> 02:21:37.840
<v Speaker 2>do tend to agree with. Crisis breeds funding, right, and

2576
02:21:37.879 --> 02:21:40.760
<v Speaker 2>if you can make something seem like you are the

2577
02:21:40.799 --> 02:21:44.000
<v Speaker 2>bad guy in it, you feel almost obligated to hand

2578
02:21:44.040 --> 02:21:47.239
<v Speaker 2>over money to help fix it or go. We have

2579
02:21:47.479 --> 02:21:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Al Gore getting a Nobel Peace Prize to talk about

2580
02:21:50.360 --> 02:21:54.079
<v Speaker 2>global warming because humans did that, and it's like, that's

2581
02:21:54.920 --> 02:21:59.280
<v Speaker 2>basically every bit of quote unquote science that he gave

2582
02:21:59.360 --> 02:22:04.079
<v Speaker 2>to the Nobel Piece group has been completely debunked since then.

2583
02:22:04.440 --> 02:22:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Not saying that the world is not getting warm, for sure,

2584
02:22:06.959 --> 02:22:10.239
<v Speaker 2>but to say that it's because of humans is at

2585
02:22:10.319 --> 02:22:12.799
<v Speaker 2>least in the scope that he was trying to make

2586
02:22:12.840 --> 02:22:16.120
<v Speaker 2>it out to be, is completely farcical. Now, if we're

2587
02:22:16.120 --> 02:22:18.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about humans putting bad chemicals in the air

2588
02:22:18.680 --> 02:22:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and in the water with you one hundred percent, we

2589
02:22:21.000 --> 02:22:21.719
<v Speaker 2>need to figure.

2590
02:22:21.639 --> 02:22:25.239
<v Speaker 3>That's your revolution, though, is absolutely horrific for environment.

2591
02:22:25.440 --> 02:22:27.360
<v Speaker 2>That's true, But he was saying that it was all

2592
02:22:27.360 --> 02:22:30.840
<v Speaker 2>about the carbon and the problem with that is if

2593
02:22:30.879 --> 02:22:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you were to take the entirety of the human existence

2594
02:22:34.440 --> 02:22:38.360
<v Speaker 2>on Earth and combine all of that into an amount

2595
02:22:38.360 --> 02:22:41.200
<v Speaker 2>of carbon that we have given to the earth. The

2596
02:22:41.280 --> 02:22:45.079
<v Speaker 2>active volcano in Hawaii puts more carbon into our atmosphere

2597
02:22:45.239 --> 02:22:49.000
<v Speaker 2>every year than humanity has done in the entire time

2598
02:22:49.079 --> 02:22:50.959
<v Speaker 2>that we have been around, and we've only been involved

2599
02:22:50.959 --> 02:22:53.760
<v Speaker 2>with heavy industry for the last two you could argue

2600
02:22:53.799 --> 02:22:57.719
<v Speaker 2>three hundred years. So the reality of it is that humans,

2601
02:22:57.760 --> 02:23:00.760
<v Speaker 2>as far as the carbon footprint goes to the earth,

2602
02:23:01.280 --> 02:23:04.159
<v Speaker 2>is a fart in the wind compared to multiple other

2603
02:23:04.200 --> 02:23:07.239
<v Speaker 2>sources that happen naturally every year. Now, that's not the

2604
02:23:07.239 --> 02:23:10.000
<v Speaker 2>same thing to the chemicals that we are spraying into

2605
02:23:10.040 --> 02:23:11.959
<v Speaker 2>the air. It's not the same to the chemicals or

2606
02:23:11.959 --> 02:23:13.680
<v Speaker 2>pumping into our water and into our soil.

2607
02:23:14.040 --> 02:23:14.159
<v Speaker 7>Right.

2608
02:23:14.200 --> 02:23:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, that and defortization. I mean you're talking about we

2609
02:23:17.959 --> 02:23:22.760
<v Speaker 3>are just destroying trees left and right. Yes, and that

2610
02:23:23.280 --> 02:23:26.120
<v Speaker 3>it's contributing to at least the pollution in the air,

2611
02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:30.879
<v Speaker 3>which it has factors to potentially raising the heat at

2612
02:23:30.959 --> 02:23:36.079
<v Speaker 3>least in the world overall climate. But I don't know.

2613
02:23:36.159 --> 02:23:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I tend I've read a lot of stuff on both

2614
02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:43.440
<v Speaker 3>sides to it. I think that that we are naturally

2615
02:23:43.479 --> 02:23:46.920
<v Speaker 3>destroying a lot of the environment. We are more conscientious

2616
02:23:47.079 --> 02:23:50.520
<v Speaker 3>now though than the last hundred years of trying to

2617
02:23:50.600 --> 02:23:54.920
<v Speaker 3>at least reverse or protect something in the environment, But

2618
02:23:54.959 --> 02:23:58.399
<v Speaker 3>we still have decimated a lot of different ecosystems.

2619
02:23:58.520 --> 02:24:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but then you also look at that money's going, right,

2620
02:24:01.319 --> 02:24:03.639
<v Speaker 2>because it's all about the funding. You gotta follow the money.

2621
02:24:04.000 --> 02:24:06.520
<v Speaker 2>People shit on Trump for pulling out of the Paris

2622
02:24:06.520 --> 02:24:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Climba's Cord and the Green New Deal and all these things, right,

2623
02:24:10.399 --> 02:24:12.159
<v Speaker 2>but then whenever you look at it. Okay, so let's

2624
02:24:12.200 --> 02:24:15.040
<v Speaker 2>say that America was to do all these things and

2625
02:24:15.879 --> 02:24:19.040
<v Speaker 2>put in even harsher EPA regulations and all these things.

2626
02:24:19.399 --> 02:24:22.239
<v Speaker 2>The other nations on Earth that are involved in heavy

2627
02:24:22.280 --> 02:24:26.040
<v Speaker 2>industry have no EPA and they have no qualms about

2628
02:24:26.120 --> 02:24:29.159
<v Speaker 2>dumping all kinds of toxic sludge into the soil, into

2629
02:24:29.200 --> 02:24:32.360
<v Speaker 2>the water, into the air. So even if America was

2630
02:24:32.440 --> 02:24:34.799
<v Speaker 2>to like spearhead the operation of trying to take care

2631
02:24:34.799 --> 02:24:37.559
<v Speaker 2>of the earth, it's not gonna make that much of

2632
02:24:37.639 --> 02:24:40.879
<v Speaker 2>a difference on the global scale because other countries couldn't

2633
02:24:40.879 --> 02:24:41.680
<v Speaker 2>give a fuck less.

2634
02:24:42.200 --> 02:24:46.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, there is a guy in that has been fighting

2635
02:24:46.399 --> 02:24:51.079
<v Speaker 3>against the Gangi Kanji Gangee gange Gangee. Yeah, he is

2636
02:24:51.200 --> 02:24:53.600
<v Speaker 3>doing this whole thing and it's a huge it's a

2637
02:24:53.639 --> 02:24:56.559
<v Speaker 3>big project that they've been pushing and they've been fighting against.

2638
02:24:56.719 --> 02:24:59.479
<v Speaker 3>They actually have gotten regulations put on quite a few

2639
02:25:00.120 --> 02:25:03.200
<v Speaker 3>of the companies that have been actively dumping stuff into

2640
02:25:03.639 --> 02:25:07.200
<v Speaker 3>the GANGI and that's good. People are fighting back. People

2641
02:25:07.319 --> 02:25:10.879
<v Speaker 3>are trying to show not only are you impacting the

2642
02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:14.799
<v Speaker 3>entire environment, you're also impacting humans as well. You're causing

2643
02:25:14.840 --> 02:25:17.440
<v Speaker 3>a lot of health issues that happen. And same with

2644
02:25:17.479 --> 02:25:20.639
<v Speaker 3>the argument with pesticides. We know for a fact that

2645
02:25:20.680 --> 02:25:24.760
<v Speaker 3>there's been lots of lawsuits one over the amount of

2646
02:25:24.799 --> 02:25:26.799
<v Speaker 3>pesticides that have impacted people.

2647
02:25:27.360 --> 02:25:27.879
<v Speaker 2>I hear you.

2648
02:25:28.879 --> 02:25:35.079
<v Speaker 3>So that's it's just a conversation that people are consistently

2649
02:25:35.120 --> 02:25:37.959
<v Speaker 3>having trying to make their earth better. Yeah, it's just

2650
02:25:38.200 --> 02:25:40.719
<v Speaker 3>this weird argument though that like, at least we can

2651
02:25:40.760 --> 02:25:43.360
<v Speaker 3>acknowledge that we are impacting the earth, Like if you

2652
02:25:43.399 --> 02:25:47.360
<v Speaker 3>don't believe in climate change or you believe in those

2653
02:25:47.440 --> 02:25:50.559
<v Speaker 3>kind of narratives, at least acknowledge that, like maybe we

2654
02:25:50.600 --> 02:25:52.719
<v Speaker 3>are polluting a whole bunch of shit and we should

2655
02:25:52.760 --> 02:25:54.040
<v Speaker 3>probably try at least.

2656
02:25:53.920 --> 02:25:56.680
<v Speaker 2>To help it out. I can't disagree with that at all.

2657
02:25:56.760 --> 02:25:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that we're having no effect on the earth,

2658
02:25:59.319 --> 02:26:01.959
<v Speaker 2>for sure. I'm saying that it's probably not to the

2659
02:26:02.000 --> 02:26:04.600
<v Speaker 2>scale that the media would have you believe because they

2660
02:26:04.639 --> 02:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>want you to be in a state of crisis. They

2661
02:26:07.000 --> 02:26:09.440
<v Speaker 2>want you to believe that things are exponentially worse than

2662
02:26:09.479 --> 02:26:13.360
<v Speaker 2>they actually are. That being said, I you know, I

2663
02:26:13.440 --> 02:26:15.719
<v Speaker 2>believe that we should be involved in heavy industry, but

2664
02:26:15.760 --> 02:26:17.959
<v Speaker 2>I also believe that we should look at cleaner ways

2665
02:26:18.000 --> 02:26:21.440
<v Speaker 2>to be involved in heavy industry, not just US, every

2666
02:26:21.680 --> 02:26:23.879
<v Speaker 2>developed nation around the world. I, for one, would like

2667
02:26:23.879 --> 02:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>to leave a clean earth for my sons to hunt

2668
02:26:26.959 --> 02:26:29.239
<v Speaker 2>in the same forest that I hunt growing up, right,

2669
02:26:29.360 --> 02:26:31.079
<v Speaker 2>fish in the same waters that I fished in. I

2670
02:26:31.079 --> 02:26:33.799
<v Speaker 2>would like to take my grandson fishing in the same

2671
02:26:33.879 --> 02:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>by you that I grew up fishing in. Right, And

2672
02:26:36.040 --> 02:26:39.159
<v Speaker 2>that's only going to happen if we cultivate this world

2673
02:26:39.239 --> 02:26:42.399
<v Speaker 2>and our good stewards of this earth for future generations.

2674
02:26:42.440 --> 02:26:43.719
<v Speaker 2>I think there has to be some sort of a

2675
02:26:43.760 --> 02:26:44.479
<v Speaker 2>balance and.

2676
02:26:44.520 --> 02:26:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Maybe stop, you know, releasing invasive species into locations that

2677
02:26:48.040 --> 02:26:49.920
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be. Like the apple snail.

2678
02:26:50.639 --> 02:26:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Those things are delicious.

2679
02:26:52.159 --> 02:26:56.040
<v Speaker 3>You can't eat them. They're poisonous. Sure that the eggs

2680
02:26:56.040 --> 02:27:01.680
<v Speaker 3>are poisonous, but the snail ain't. No, I'm not touching

2681
02:27:01.680 --> 02:27:07.520
<v Speaker 3>no damn apple boys. App I was like lsu is

2682
02:27:07.559 --> 02:27:11.040
<v Speaker 3>just put out, like ten articles, and they're hosting this

2683
02:27:11.079 --> 02:27:13.159
<v Speaker 3>whole thing about how to kill the apple snails and

2684
02:27:13.159 --> 02:27:15.760
<v Speaker 3>how you should properly dispose of the eggs. But that's

2685
02:27:15.760 --> 02:27:19.799
<v Speaker 3>another huge problem. And this whole situation with bees. I mean, yes,

2686
02:27:19.840 --> 02:27:24.760
<v Speaker 3>the European guy did introduce a nice bee into our population,

2687
02:27:25.120 --> 02:27:28.000
<v Speaker 3>but it still had an effect on the native bees

2688
02:27:28.040 --> 02:27:32.280
<v Speaker 3>here that originated in America first before the European bee

2689
02:27:32.319 --> 02:27:37.479
<v Speaker 3>came over. Everything has unfortunately, we are continuously doing things

2690
02:27:37.520 --> 02:27:40.600
<v Speaker 3>to try and quote better the population or just not

2691
02:27:40.639 --> 02:27:43.000
<v Speaker 3>giving a fuck and just I'm just gonna release this.

2692
02:27:43.600 --> 02:27:46.920
<v Speaker 3>And then we come to this whole situation of hey,

2693
02:27:47.000 --> 02:27:50.239
<v Speaker 3>are the bees actually dying? Is there? What reasons are happening?

2694
02:27:50.760 --> 02:27:53.559
<v Speaker 3>What's impacting these bees? Is it because we need more

2695
02:27:53.600 --> 02:27:57.440
<v Speaker 3>genetically modified bees? Do we need to get cyborg bees? Like?

2696
02:27:57.479 --> 02:27:59.760
<v Speaker 3>What is it that we need the little drone bees?

2697
02:28:00.319 --> 02:28:02.959
<v Speaker 2>Ah? And that's the other thing too. Even if let's

2698
02:28:02.959 --> 02:28:06.719
<v Speaker 2>say those drones are able to become mass produced and

2699
02:28:06.840 --> 02:28:10.280
<v Speaker 2>all these farms around the nation start using those as

2700
02:28:10.280 --> 02:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a way to try to save the bees, right, let's

2701
02:28:13.040 --> 02:28:16.879
<v Speaker 2>make it less work for the bees and tired. They're

2702
02:28:16.879 --> 02:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>so tired. They've been working for one point six billion years.

2703
02:28:20.399 --> 02:28:21.120
<v Speaker 2>We give them a.

2704
02:28:21.079 --> 02:28:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Bit six weeks, but like, yes, but that's what the point.

2705
02:28:24.799 --> 02:28:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Beside the point, these hives keep dying. Don't anyone think

2706
02:28:28.399 --> 02:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>of the children? That's all we're gonna fucking hear, right,

2707
02:28:31.319 --> 02:28:32.600
<v Speaker 2>So the drones are gonna take over.

2708
02:28:32.680 --> 02:28:32.799
<v Speaker 3>Now.

2709
02:28:32.840 --> 02:28:35.000
<v Speaker 2>The bees are not gonna be able to pollinate, they're

2710
02:28:35.000 --> 02:28:36.399
<v Speaker 2>not gonna be able to bring any of the pollen

2711
02:28:36.479 --> 02:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>back to their hives. They're not gonna be able to

2712
02:28:37.920 --> 02:28:40.319
<v Speaker 2>make honey, and then we'll actually have a real genocide

2713
02:28:40.360 --> 02:28:42.479
<v Speaker 2>on our hands as far as bees are concerned. And

2714
02:28:42.559 --> 02:28:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the only solution will be more technology, more drones, more AI.

2715
02:28:48.079 --> 02:28:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we need that.

2716
02:28:50.239 --> 02:28:51.879
<v Speaker 3>I mean, of course, that's the only way that we

2717
02:28:51.920 --> 02:28:54.600
<v Speaker 3>can survive any day in any way nowadays.

2718
02:28:54.799 --> 02:28:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Right. So with that being said, the gentleman that was

2719
02:28:57.520 --> 02:28:59.559
<v Speaker 2>speaking on that video that we just played, the one

2720
02:28:59.559 --> 02:29:01.760
<v Speaker 2>that was saying there's no actual science to back a

2721
02:29:01.760 --> 02:29:04.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of the claims that we're hearing. I did want

2722
02:29:04.040 --> 02:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>to read one of the articles that he pulled up.

2723
02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:09.600
<v Speaker 2>This is from the Genetic Literacy Project, Science not Ideology,

2724
02:29:09.879 --> 02:29:13.639
<v Speaker 2>which is quite a bold claim. The b Apocalypse myth

2725
02:29:13.680 --> 02:29:16.600
<v Speaker 2>book or myth handbook, I should say, assessing claims of

2726
02:29:16.840 --> 02:29:20.559
<v Speaker 2>pollinator collapse. Now this is from March twenty twenty three,

2727
02:29:20.920 --> 02:29:24.239
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's worth diving into. Let's see myths

2728
02:29:24.319 --> 02:29:28.719
<v Speaker 2>and truths about bees. There is no catastrophic decline in

2729
02:29:28.760 --> 02:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the global honeybee population, and the use of pesticides is

2730
02:29:32.040 --> 02:29:35.399
<v Speaker 2>not driving health problems challenging wild bees, as many environmental

2731
02:29:35.399 --> 02:29:38.879
<v Speaker 2>groups continue to claim. In fact, honeybee high populations are

2732
02:29:38.959 --> 02:29:41.879
<v Speaker 2>rising in North America and globally, and they have been

2733
02:29:41.920 --> 02:29:45.680
<v Speaker 2>growing in numbers for years. The or yeah the companion

2734
02:29:45.799 --> 02:29:50.159
<v Speaker 2>claim that a class of pesticides known as neonick andtenoids

2735
02:29:50.760 --> 02:29:55.040
<v Speaker 2>yeah neoonicks for short, are fostering a global honeybee pollinator

2736
02:29:55.120 --> 02:29:59.280
<v Speaker 2>crisis is also not accurate. However, honey bees are perhaps

2737
02:29:59.319 --> 02:30:03.040
<v Speaker 2>bumblebees whose wild nature makes them difficult to catalog do

2738
02:30:03.200 --> 02:30:05.920
<v Speaker 2>face a range of health threats that are serious calls

2739
02:30:06.040 --> 02:30:08.959
<v Speaker 2>for worry, and those issues needs to be addressed. So

2740
02:30:09.000 --> 02:30:12.079
<v Speaker 2>what are the facts. Let's talk about colony collapse disorder.

2741
02:30:12.399 --> 02:30:15.399
<v Speaker 2>The honeybee population did face what appeared to be a

2742
02:30:15.440 --> 02:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>crisis in the mid two thousands, when some United States beekeepers,

2743
02:30:19.040 --> 02:30:22.600
<v Speaker 2>mostly in California, began discovering that their honeybees had mysteriously

2744
02:30:22.639 --> 02:30:25.600
<v Speaker 2>abandoned many of their colonies, leaving behind the queen bee

2745
02:30:25.680 --> 02:30:30.239
<v Speaker 2>attending by too few immature worker bees to sustain the colony,

2746
02:30:30.600 --> 02:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>yet with ample viable brood and stored food. The first

2747
02:30:33.840 --> 02:30:38.760
<v Speaker 2>report case classified as CCD was in mid November of

2748
02:30:38.799 --> 02:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six by a Pennsylvania bee keeper overwintering

2749
02:30:42.239 --> 02:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>in Florida. By February two thousand and seven, large commercial

2750
02:30:45.799 --> 02:30:50.079
<v Speaker 2>migratory beekeepers wintering in California, Florida, Oklahoma, and Texas had

2751
02:30:50.120 --> 02:30:54.319
<v Speaker 2>reportedly heavy losses associated with CCD, with losses ranging from

2752
02:30:54.319 --> 02:30:57.520
<v Speaker 2>thirty percent to ninety percent of their bee colonies. This

2753
02:30:57.559 --> 02:31:01.040
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon was dubbed colony collapse disorder or how we were

2754
02:31:01.040 --> 02:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>effectually referred to it as CCD. No, not Catholic Catechism

2755
02:31:05.360 --> 02:31:09.360
<v Speaker 2>were talking about colony collapse disorder. What made CCD's appearance

2756
02:31:09.399 --> 02:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>in the United States stunning and alarming was that episodes

2757
02:31:12.200 --> 02:31:16.680
<v Speaker 2>are being reported from widely separate, separated states across the continent.

2758
02:31:17.159 --> 02:31:21.799
<v Speaker 2>At first, genetically modified crops and later neonicotsnoid pesticides were

2759
02:31:21.799 --> 02:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>fingered by environmental groups and some entomologists as the presumed

2760
02:31:25.719 --> 02:31:30.639
<v Speaker 2>casual agents. At first, genetically modified crops and later neonickeots

2761
02:31:30.680 --> 02:31:34.719
<v Speaker 2>nooid pesticides were fingered by environmental groups and some entomologists

2762
02:31:34.760 --> 02:31:39.239
<v Speaker 2>as the presumed casual agents or causal agents, I should say,

2763
02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>But when the B colonies were examined, the CCD diagnosis emerged.

2764
02:31:43.200 --> 02:31:47.479
<v Speaker 2>Scientists quickly dispensed of the GMO argument, as each GM

2765
02:31:47.520 --> 02:31:50.280
<v Speaker 2>crop is different and there is no plausible explanation why

2766
02:31:50.280 --> 02:31:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a phenomenon noted in one region of the US would

2767
02:31:53.200 --> 02:31:55.760
<v Speaker 2>not also show up in other regions or countries using

2768
02:31:55.799 --> 02:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>similar modified crops. But the use of pesticides or neonick

2769
02:32:00.440 --> 02:32:03.479
<v Speaker 2>in particular cause or contribute to CCD in two thousand

2770
02:32:03.520 --> 02:32:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and six or it did it. The scientific consensus now

2771
02:32:07.360 --> 02:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>firmly says no. CCD is a historically common occurrence that

2772
02:32:11.639 --> 02:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>predated the introduction of genetically modified crops and modern pesticides.

2773
02:32:16.319 --> 02:32:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Upon further investigation, CCD was known to be a centuries old,

2774
02:32:20.360 --> 02:32:24.520
<v Speaker 2>periodic phenomenon that by other names, has occurred periodically for

2775
02:32:24.639 --> 02:32:29.239
<v Speaker 2>centuries in specific locations. Limited occurrences resembling CCD were fully

2776
02:32:29.239 --> 02:32:32.840
<v Speaker 2>documented as early as eighteen sixty nine, and on the

2777
02:32:32.840 --> 02:32:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Isle of Wit or White not sure, Yeah, the Isle

2778
02:32:37.280 --> 02:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>of Wight in the UK in two thousand and six

2779
02:32:39.959 --> 02:32:43.079
<v Speaker 2>and also in other parts of Europe and Egypt. There

2780
02:32:43.079 --> 02:32:45.639
<v Speaker 2>were reports of similar b behaviors and hives in the

2781
02:32:45.719 --> 02:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>US in nineteen eighteen and nineteen nineteen, and thereafter it

2782
02:32:49.719 --> 02:32:54.280
<v Speaker 2>eventually became more widely known as disappearing disease. The focus

2783
02:32:54.319 --> 02:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of the nicotinoids as a contributing factor is more complicated.

2784
02:32:59.239 --> 02:33:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Neonichs are a class of systemic pesticide introduced in the

2785
02:33:02.799 --> 02:33:06.600
<v Speaker 2>early nineteen nineties and popular in the US, Australia, Europe

2786
02:33:06.639 --> 02:33:10.159
<v Speaker 2>and elsewhere to protect corn, soy, cotton, and canola farms.

2787
02:33:10.559 --> 02:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>They have been embraced as a less toxic rep replacement

2788
02:33:14.280 --> 02:33:21.120
<v Speaker 2>for organs organophosphates, pesticides, which can be either natural or synthetic,

2789
02:33:21.479 --> 02:33:24.200
<v Speaker 2>which are known to kill bees and wildlife and have

2790
02:33:24.239 --> 02:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>been linked to health problems and workers apply to the

2791
02:33:26.959 --> 02:33:30.319
<v Speaker 2>soil sprayed on the crop, or most commonly used as

2792
02:33:30.360 --> 02:33:34.479
<v Speaker 2>a seed treatment. Neonichs are absorbed into the plant, which

2793
02:33:34.520 --> 02:33:39.079
<v Speaker 2>is ingested by insects, discouraging pests from wreaking havoc on crops.

2794
02:33:39.520 --> 02:33:42.319
<v Speaker 2>The seed treatment lowers the amount of neonich used from

2795
02:33:42.360 --> 02:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>ten to twenty fold, decreasing the need for open spraying

2796
02:33:46.000 --> 02:33:52.079
<v Speaker 2>of the plant a genuine sustainability benefit. Many of the media, media,

2797
02:33:52.120 --> 02:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>and activists critical of conventional agriculture often conflate be health

2798
02:33:56.600 --> 02:34:00.159
<v Speaker 2>problems linked to CCD with health issues encountered by the

2799
02:34:00.159 --> 02:34:04.000
<v Speaker 2>wild honeybee population. From nineteen seventy two to two thousand

2800
02:34:04.000 --> 02:34:08.319
<v Speaker 2>and six, serrous reductions in hives were documented among feral

2801
02:34:08.360 --> 02:34:12.719
<v Speaker 2>honeybees in the United States, and recent studies, though fragmentary,

2802
02:34:12.959 --> 02:34:16.799
<v Speaker 2>appeared to show scattered declines among wild bees. The precise

2803
02:34:16.879 --> 02:34:21.680
<v Speaker 2>cause of the most recent CCD incident remains undermined or undetermined.

2804
02:34:21.959 --> 02:34:25.399
<v Speaker 2>The most likely is the combinations of factors that affect

2805
02:34:25.399 --> 02:34:30.040
<v Speaker 2>honeybe colonies. Health more generally are involved. But CCD has

2806
02:34:30.120 --> 02:34:32.920
<v Speaker 2>now come and gone, and it has been many times

2807
02:34:32.920 --> 02:34:36.120
<v Speaker 2>over the centuries. According to the University of Maryland's Dennis

2808
02:34:36.200 --> 02:34:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Van ingles Drop, who was a part of the team

2809
02:34:38.799 --> 02:34:42.120
<v Speaker 2>that coined the modern term CCD, no case of CCD

2810
02:34:42.239 --> 02:34:45.760
<v Speaker 2>has been reported from the field for the last eight years.

2811
02:34:46.079 --> 02:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>So even though half of the hives are dying, as

2812
02:34:49.239 --> 02:34:52.040
<v Speaker 2>you're saying, they're actually saying that this is not a

2813
02:34:52.079 --> 02:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>case of CCD.

2814
02:34:53.399 --> 02:34:56.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not happening. Anymore, which I didn't realize that

2815
02:34:56.639 --> 02:35:01.079
<v Speaker 3>it had happened multiple times to around the world, let

2816
02:35:01.120 --> 02:35:04.559
<v Speaker 3>alone here in America. And wonder people think it's aliens.

2817
02:35:04.959 --> 02:35:07.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I can see it now now I understand

2818
02:35:07.719 --> 02:35:09.280
<v Speaker 3>because I was like, wait a minute, that's what I

2819
02:35:09.319 --> 02:35:12.520
<v Speaker 3>was seeking. When I heard you say that, it was like, oh, well,

2820
02:35:12.559 --> 02:35:13.879
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe it's aliens.

2821
02:35:14.040 --> 02:35:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're subducting.

2822
02:35:15.120 --> 02:35:18.399
<v Speaker 3>The aliens are just taking the hives. If they're just disappearing,

2823
02:35:18.440 --> 02:35:21.120
<v Speaker 3>where do they go, right, like straight up Antarctica.

2824
02:35:21.879 --> 02:35:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe they're going through the ice wall. I don't know.

2825
02:35:24.920 --> 02:35:28.639
<v Speaker 2>So our honey bees in decline simply said, honey bees

2826
02:35:28.719 --> 02:35:31.879
<v Speaker 2>are not on the verge of extinction or irreversible decline,

2827
02:35:31.920 --> 02:35:35.680
<v Speaker 2>and the world will not face mass starvation. That's scare rhetoric.

2828
02:35:35.959 --> 02:35:38.920
<v Speaker 2>As The Washington Post reported in two separate features in

2829
02:35:38.959 --> 02:35:42.639
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, call of the bee Apocalypse, US honeybee colonies

2830
02:35:42.680 --> 02:35:45.639
<v Speaker 2>hit a twenty year high, and believe it or not,

2831
02:35:45.719 --> 02:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the bees are doing just fine, advocacy groups claim, amplified

2832
02:35:50.000 --> 02:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>in thousands of new stories, but not all are wrong,

2833
02:35:53.319 --> 02:35:55.760
<v Speaker 2>but the direction of the media narrative, like the path

2834
02:35:55.840 --> 02:36:00.520
<v Speaker 2>of the quarter million ton ocean liner, was establish in

2835
02:36:00.559 --> 02:36:03.799
<v Speaker 2>the late two thousands and does not turn and does

2836
02:36:03.840 --> 02:36:09.639
<v Speaker 2>not turn that around easily, particularly when the it serves

2837
02:36:10.840 --> 02:36:13.920
<v Speaker 2>that's a weird way to write this sentence, Okay, particularly

2838
02:36:13.959 --> 02:36:17.479
<v Speaker 2>when it serves an ideological conclusion that conveniently helps in

2839
02:36:17.600 --> 02:36:21.600
<v Speaker 2>fundraising for those who promote it. As always, people follow

2840
02:36:21.639 --> 02:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>the money, despite claims to the contrary. According to the

2841
02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Independent Be Informed Partnership overseen by the Gentleman from the

2842
02:36:28.879 --> 02:36:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Maryland University, overwinter mortality of honeybees has steadily declined since

2843
02:36:34.120 --> 02:36:36.719
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, which was the peak of CCD.

2844
02:36:37.600 --> 02:36:41.200
<v Speaker 2>In fact, honeybee populations aren't declining anywhere in the world,

2845
02:36:41.520 --> 02:36:45.719
<v Speaker 2>despite many media headlines, they're rising. According to statistics kept

2846
02:36:45.719 --> 02:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>by the US Department of Agriculture, Statistics, Canada, and un

2847
02:36:49.239 --> 02:36:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Foods and Agricultural Organizations, honeybee populations in the United States, Canada,

2848
02:36:54.120 --> 02:36:56.879
<v Speaker 2>and Europe have been stable or growing for the last

2849
02:36:56.879 --> 02:37:01.399
<v Speaker 2>two decades neo nix have been on the market. Furthermore,

2850
02:37:01.520 --> 02:37:04.840
<v Speaker 2>the worldwide trajectory for b colonies has been on an

2851
02:37:04.920 --> 02:37:08.040
<v Speaker 2>upper trajectory for over half a century. Here are a

2852
02:37:08.040 --> 02:37:11.440
<v Speaker 2>few charts that illustrate the upward global trends that overlap

2853
02:37:11.520 --> 02:37:15.040
<v Speaker 2>the introduction and use since the nineteen nineties of Neo nix,

2854
02:37:15.319 --> 02:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the central target of the anti chemical environmental groups. So

2855
02:37:19.079 --> 02:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>for those that are just listening here, you could basically

2856
02:37:21.440 --> 02:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>see that the population in nineteen sixty one was fifty million,

2857
02:37:26.120 --> 02:37:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the population in twenty sixteen was ninety million. That's and

2858
02:37:30.799 --> 02:37:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not that's be high.

2859
02:37:32.239 --> 02:37:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's beehive which.

2860
02:37:34.239 --> 02:37:38.200
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty insane. Honey production it's been Yeah, it's a

2861
02:37:38.239 --> 02:37:41.760
<v Speaker 2>little higher now, but it's it's pretty much been flatlined.

2862
02:37:42.799 --> 02:37:46.959
<v Speaker 2>Canada honeybee colonies is up. European it went from about

2863
02:37:47.000 --> 02:37:51.879
<v Speaker 2>eleven million to just over twelve million worldwide b colonies.

2864
02:37:51.920 --> 02:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>That's the chart that I read earlier. That was fifty million,

2865
02:37:54.799 --> 02:37:57.840
<v Speaker 2>and now it's eighty five. Well, was eighty five and

2866
02:37:57.879 --> 02:38:01.799
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, it's even higher now. Data produced by the EU,

2867
02:38:02.159 --> 02:38:05.639
<v Speaker 2>US and independent global agencies have not dissuaded many environmental

2868
02:38:05.639 --> 02:38:09.559
<v Speaker 2>groups from their fundraising campaigns featuring vulnerable bees. For example,

2869
02:38:09.719 --> 02:38:12.280
<v Speaker 2>over the much of the past decade, the Sierra Club,

2870
02:38:12.360 --> 02:38:16.159
<v Speaker 2>while requesting donations, sent out flyers highlighting the quote unquote

2871
02:38:16.200 --> 02:38:19.239
<v Speaker 2>fact that neo nicks kill honeybees. This is a direct

2872
02:38:19.280 --> 02:38:22.520
<v Speaker 2>quote from them. Bees had a devastating year, forty four

2873
02:38:22.559 --> 02:38:25.639
<v Speaker 2>percent of colonies killed, and bear and Syngenta are still

2874
02:38:25.639 --> 02:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>flooding your land with bee killing toxic Neonik pesticides now

2875
02:38:29.200 --> 02:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>among the most widely used crop sprays in the country. Finally,

2876
02:38:33.120 --> 02:38:37.719
<v Speaker 2>after multiple skulls from entomologists, Sierra Club retreated doing a

2877
02:38:37.879 --> 02:38:41.399
<v Speaker 2>Gish got gallop acknowledging that while honey bees are fine,

2878
02:38:41.799 --> 02:38:46.360
<v Speaker 2>wild bees are under siege and unchallengeable hypothesis since by

2879
02:38:46.399 --> 02:38:50.200
<v Speaker 2>their very nature, wild bee populations cannot be accurately tracked

2880
02:38:50.319 --> 02:38:54.399
<v Speaker 2>or measured. So they said, Okay, fine, maybe it's not

2881
02:38:54.440 --> 02:38:57.239
<v Speaker 2>the farm bees, but bees and the wild are under siege.

2882
02:38:57.440 --> 02:38:59.680
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing to back that claim, but they're running with

2883
02:38:59.719 --> 02:39:03.760
<v Speaker 2>it because again, follow the money, follow the money. Honeybees

2884
02:39:03.879 --> 02:39:07.440
<v Speaker 2>are at no risk of dying, while diseases, parasites, and

2885
02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:10.879
<v Speaker 2>other threats are certainly real problems for beekeepers. A total

2886
02:39:10.959 --> 02:39:16.280
<v Speaker 2>number of managed honeybees worldwide has risen forty five percent

2887
02:39:16.479 --> 02:39:18.959
<v Speaker 2>over the last century. Wow, And I think there's something

2888
02:39:19.000 --> 02:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>to be said for that too. I feel like there's

2889
02:39:21.280 --> 02:39:23.719
<v Speaker 2>so many people that have bee boxes on their farms

2890
02:39:23.760 --> 02:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>or in their yards now that thirty years ago that

2891
02:39:27.000 --> 02:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>was like that was crazy.

2892
02:39:28.680 --> 02:39:31.959
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's become a real hobby situation. They a

2893
02:39:31.959 --> 02:39:34.959
<v Speaker 3>lot of people like to do it, and it's definitely

2894
02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:36.200
<v Speaker 3>picking up momentum.

2895
02:39:36.319 --> 02:39:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Okay, So jumping ahead in the article a little

2896
02:39:39.120 --> 02:39:41.120
<v Speaker 2>bit here again, if everybody wants to find it on

2897
02:39:41.159 --> 02:39:45.799
<v Speaker 2>their own, it's the Genetic Literacy Project. Bees are under

2898
02:39:46.040 --> 02:39:49.079
<v Speaker 2>serious stress. Citing the growing number of beehives in North

2899
02:39:49.079 --> 02:39:52.040
<v Speaker 2>America or globally does not speak directly to the issue

2900
02:39:52.079 --> 02:39:55.799
<v Speaker 2>of be health and can be misleading. The honeybee industry

2901
02:39:55.840 --> 02:39:58.959
<v Speaker 2>is coping with the situation, but health challenges are real

2902
02:39:59.120 --> 02:40:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and in need of a number of wild bumblebee species

2903
02:40:02.920 --> 02:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>also may be in decline, but there is so far

2904
02:40:05.760 --> 02:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>no clear evidence of a widespread threat. Considering that the

2905
02:40:08.959 --> 02:40:11.920
<v Speaker 2>status of so many species is unknown and little tracking

2906
02:40:12.000 --> 02:40:16.079
<v Speaker 2>data exists, there is an increasing concern that wild bees

2907
02:40:16.120 --> 02:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>are in fact facing epidemics spread by commercial honeybee populations.

2908
02:40:20.159 --> 02:40:23.479
<v Speaker 2>According to the USDA, by far the number one problem

2909
02:40:23.600 --> 02:40:26.559
<v Speaker 2>is the Vara destructor might which we learned about that earlier,

2910
02:40:26.840 --> 02:40:30.799
<v Speaker 2>which the agency calls the single most detrimental pest of honeybees,

2911
02:40:31.120 --> 02:40:33.399
<v Speaker 2>And we already talked about that earlier. Kind of how

2912
02:40:33.440 --> 02:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>they spread and what they do to bees and all

2913
02:40:36.280 --> 02:40:39.639
<v Speaker 2>these things. But like we talked about, there are labs

2914
02:40:39.680 --> 02:40:43.120
<v Speaker 2>that are trying to genetically modify bees to be able

2915
02:40:43.159 --> 02:40:47.280
<v Speaker 2>to fight back against them like snift sniff mountain eat

2916
02:40:47.319 --> 02:40:48.399
<v Speaker 2>the legs off of them and shit.

2917
02:40:48.520 --> 02:40:50.799
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's pretty cool. I do like the sugar

2918
02:40:51.239 --> 02:40:53.559
<v Speaker 3>the sugar thing that they did to get them and

2919
02:40:53.600 --> 02:40:55.719
<v Speaker 3>to figure out if they need to actually spray down

2920
02:40:55.719 --> 02:40:57.799
<v Speaker 3>the collin or not. I thought that was pretty cool.

2921
02:40:57.840 --> 02:40:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Very true. But then you're talking about spraying down the

2922
02:41:00.959 --> 02:41:03.559
<v Speaker 2>with I mean, sugar gets them off at that one time,

2923
02:41:03.559 --> 02:41:05.799
<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't get it out of like the larva.

2924
02:41:06.120 --> 02:41:10.559
<v Speaker 3>But then it also said that they are again adapting

2925
02:41:10.600 --> 02:41:13.520
<v Speaker 3>and they're learning how to clean themselves and groom themselves

2926
02:41:13.559 --> 02:41:16.079
<v Speaker 3>for the first time, and that they're actually doing this

2927
02:41:16.239 --> 02:41:19.200
<v Speaker 3>now that they have certain bees that have decided that

2928
02:41:19.280 --> 02:41:21.879
<v Speaker 3>this is their task, they are going to room everybody.

2929
02:41:22.280 --> 02:41:26.879
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. So let's see lab versus field. Realistic studies and

2930
02:41:27.000 --> 02:41:32.639
<v Speaker 2>real life experience demonstrate pesticides mbs coexist. So what about

2931
02:41:32.680 --> 02:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>the dozens of studies that have come out over the

2932
02:41:34.719 --> 02:41:38.159
<v Speaker 2>past dozen years linking neonis and other pesticides too large

2933
02:41:38.159 --> 02:41:41.239
<v Speaker 2>scale be losses. Important research is being done both in

2934
02:41:41.239 --> 02:41:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the field and in laboratories. What is the consensus. While

2935
02:41:44.760 --> 02:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>neonicks have been implicated by numerous lab studies, scientists view

2936
02:41:49.159 --> 02:41:52.799
<v Speaker 2>those studies as informative but not definitive. The state of

2937
02:41:52.840 --> 02:41:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the arts are field research. There have been more than

2938
02:41:56.719 --> 02:41:59.799
<v Speaker 2>a dozen large scale field studies, mostly focused on honeybees,

2939
02:42:00.120 --> 02:42:04.200
<v Speaker 2>several on bumblebees, all foraging in neonick treated crops, four

2940
02:42:04.239 --> 02:42:06.879
<v Speaker 2>in Canada, one in the UK, and eight in Europe,

2941
02:42:07.239 --> 02:42:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the most most using good lab practices. They all reach

2942
02:42:10.879 --> 02:42:15.840
<v Speaker 2>similar conclusions. There are no conclusive observable adverse effects on

2943
02:42:16.079 --> 02:42:19.719
<v Speaker 2>bees at the colony level from field realistic exposure to

2944
02:42:19.840 --> 02:42:22.479
<v Speaker 2>neonicotoid treatment crops.

2945
02:42:23.120 --> 02:42:26.079
<v Speaker 3>Wow huh, but I mean what does that do to humans?

2946
02:42:26.120 --> 02:42:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Though? I mean ivape and nicotine is not harmful to humans.

2947
02:42:30.639 --> 02:42:33.399
<v Speaker 2>A lot of our vegetables actually have nicotine in them naturally,

2948
02:42:33.559 --> 02:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>like tomato. Yeah, which I looked more heavily into that.

2949
02:42:36.639 --> 02:42:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I was curious, right, I saw somebody, some labs saying that,

2950
02:42:40.600 --> 02:42:44.639
<v Speaker 2>like in your garden, most of the vegetables have nicotine

2951
02:42:44.639 --> 02:42:47.399
<v Speaker 2>in them. One of the highest culprits quote unquote would

2952
02:42:47.440 --> 02:42:49.840
<v Speaker 2>be tomatoes. So I was curious if you were to

2953
02:42:49.879 --> 02:42:53.520
<v Speaker 2>take like tomato leaves and dry them out and like

2954
02:42:53.639 --> 02:42:57.040
<v Speaker 2>roll a cigarette with it. I'm just curious, would that

2955
02:42:57.239 --> 02:43:04.120
<v Speaker 2>give you a uh, would satiate the nicotine craving? Just curious.

2956
02:43:04.159 --> 02:43:07.959
<v Speaker 2>The answer is no, I know, shocker to the chagrin

2957
02:43:08.000 --> 02:43:11.760
<v Speaker 2>of literally no one. Yeah, that might be the highest

2958
02:43:11.840 --> 02:43:14.719
<v Speaker 2>nicotine yield in your garden, it is not a high

2959
02:43:14.799 --> 02:43:17.399
<v Speaker 2>enough yield to where you're going to eat enough tomatoes

2960
02:43:17.479 --> 02:43:20.680
<v Speaker 2>to satiate your need for a joe. So just to

2961
02:43:20.719 --> 02:43:23.280
<v Speaker 2>work clear on that, it's not the same thing.

2962
02:43:25.319 --> 02:43:28.959
<v Speaker 3>I know, so shocked shockus, yep.

2963
02:43:29.840 --> 02:43:33.200
<v Speaker 2>But that being said, so what does nicotine do to

2964
02:43:33.239 --> 02:43:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the humans? Nothing, as far as from the research and

2965
02:43:37.479 --> 02:43:40.479
<v Speaker 2>the science goes. At least two other recent field type studies,

2966
02:43:40.559 --> 02:43:43.559
<v Speaker 2>led by scientists known for their sharp criticism of the

2967
02:43:43.639 --> 02:43:47.000
<v Speaker 2>use of neoniks, support these findings. Their studies aim to

2968
02:43:47.079 --> 02:43:50.840
<v Speaker 2>document ever more subtle, sub lethal effects on either honey

2969
02:43:50.840 --> 02:43:55.639
<v Speaker 2>bees or bumblebees forging in neonick treated crops, including learning, navigation,

2970
02:43:55.799 --> 02:43:59.680
<v Speaker 2>and motor function impairments in individual bees. Both studies also

2971
02:43:59.719 --> 02:44:03.959
<v Speaker 2>report no observable adverse effects at the colony level to

2972
02:44:04.120 --> 02:44:09.159
<v Speaker 2>field realistic neo nic exposure. So there are real problems

2973
02:44:09.200 --> 02:44:11.559
<v Speaker 2>that bees are facing one hundred percent. And I'm not

2974
02:44:11.600 --> 02:44:15.040
<v Speaker 2>even saying that humans are not the cause of these

2975
02:44:15.319 --> 02:44:17.440
<v Speaker 2>there things. You're going to be said for that, but

2976
02:44:17.559 --> 02:44:21.760
<v Speaker 2>to say that the way that the media is spinning it,

2977
02:44:21.799 --> 02:44:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and the way that certain content creators are spinning it

2978
02:44:24.639 --> 02:44:27.680
<v Speaker 2>is to say that humans are the reason, and it's

2979
02:44:27.719 --> 02:44:29.959
<v Speaker 2>because of the pesticides, it's because we needed to look

2980
02:44:30.000 --> 02:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>at more organic means and all these things. There may

2981
02:44:33.639 --> 02:44:36.399
<v Speaker 2>be a crumb of truth to it, but not to

2982
02:44:36.479 --> 02:44:38.600
<v Speaker 2>the level into the scale that we have been led

2983
02:44:38.639 --> 02:44:39.040
<v Speaker 2>to believe.

2984
02:44:40.200 --> 02:44:44.239
<v Speaker 3>I think that I wonder because the narrative has shifted

2985
02:44:44.280 --> 02:44:48.520
<v Speaker 3>over the last eight months so dramatically, what has also

2986
02:44:48.559 --> 02:44:51.959
<v Speaker 3>been taking place over the last like, you know, eight

2987
02:44:52.040 --> 02:44:55.559
<v Speaker 3>months a year. I think it plays a lot into

2988
02:44:55.559 --> 02:44:58.799
<v Speaker 3>the politics, a lot into the laws that are being passed.

2989
02:44:58.799 --> 02:45:02.319
<v Speaker 3>Each state takes upon and their own laws to protect

2990
02:45:02.479 --> 02:45:06.879
<v Speaker 3>the bee population, and that also plays into the industrial

2991
02:45:08.520 --> 02:45:10.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, people that are around here, we have syingena

2992
02:45:10.680 --> 02:45:12.920
<v Speaker 3>here and a lot of like there's a lot of

2993
02:45:13.040 --> 02:45:17.280
<v Speaker 3>environmental stuff that's being pushed and actually got xed out here.

2994
02:45:17.360 --> 02:45:20.000
<v Speaker 3>That's a huge issue for us. But how does that

2995
02:45:20.159 --> 02:45:24.840
<v Speaker 3>impact what's happening with the bees? What narratives is being pushed.

2996
02:45:25.280 --> 02:45:28.559
<v Speaker 3>Clearly they're from two different sides. Either the bees are

2997
02:45:28.719 --> 02:45:31.120
<v Speaker 3>all dying and we're going to be screwed, or we

2998
02:45:31.200 --> 02:45:34.600
<v Speaker 3>are good and the bees are actually thriving and everything

2999
02:45:34.600 --> 02:45:38.079
<v Speaker 3>will be okay. I think that also plays into the

3000
02:45:38.079 --> 02:45:41.440
<v Speaker 3>agricultural and how much our food is going to cost.

3001
02:45:41.559 --> 02:45:43.959
<v Speaker 3>So if the narrative is or if it's you know,

3002
02:45:44.040 --> 02:45:47.760
<v Speaker 3>the bees are actively dying in the commercial stutting, then

3003
02:45:47.879 --> 02:45:49.600
<v Speaker 3>our food cost is going to go up where we

3004
02:45:49.840 --> 02:45:53.120
<v Speaker 3>potentially could have a food desert. And you know, it

3005
02:45:53.159 --> 02:45:56.200
<v Speaker 3>all plays and ties into each other. Big Pharma has

3006
02:45:56.239 --> 02:45:59.719
<v Speaker 3>its hand and everything, every single thing possible, including the

3007
02:45:59.719 --> 02:46:02.680
<v Speaker 3>past sides. The pesticide companies we know, without a shadow

3008
02:46:02.719 --> 02:46:05.319
<v Speaker 3>of a doubt, are cool with poisoning us. Yeah, are

3009
02:46:05.360 --> 02:46:09.319
<v Speaker 3>cool with buying up the pills and everything we need,

3010
02:46:09.360 --> 02:46:13.799
<v Speaker 3>Like you know the Sigenta where they did the frog experiment. Hey,

3011
02:46:13.840 --> 02:46:16.280
<v Speaker 3>that these frogs are in fact going to get breast

3012
02:46:16.319 --> 02:46:18.920
<v Speaker 3>cancer and test sicular cancer, what are they do They

3013
02:46:18.920 --> 02:46:21.399
<v Speaker 3>go out and buy all the medication to help it.

3014
02:46:21.840 --> 02:46:25.399
<v Speaker 3>So clearly this is a much larger issue, but at

3015
02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:28.920
<v Speaker 3>least we could shine some light on the different conspiracies

3016
02:46:28.920 --> 02:46:31.440
<v Speaker 3>around it, the different things that are being said about it,

3017
02:46:31.479 --> 02:46:34.319
<v Speaker 3>and people can make an informed decision from there.

3018
02:46:34.479 --> 02:46:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And I think you're onto something. They're also right

3019
02:46:37.719 --> 02:46:40.440
<v Speaker 2>now As of time of recording, it's the beginning of November.

3020
02:46:40.879 --> 02:46:45.079
<v Speaker 2>But what happened about eight maybe nine months ago that

3021
02:46:45.559 --> 02:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>might have spawned this new conversation for this year? Right,

3022
02:46:50.239 --> 02:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Trump gets into office and he starts pulling out of

3023
02:46:53.159 --> 02:46:56.520
<v Speaker 2>all these environmental deals. People are pissed, some people are excited,

3024
02:46:56.559 --> 02:47:00.559
<v Speaker 2>some people are pissed. Awesome, Then he starts cutting funding

3025
02:47:00.680 --> 02:47:06.799
<v Speaker 2>to these for by his own emission, frivolous expenditures, right,

3026
02:47:06.920 --> 02:47:09.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'm wondering how money. How many of those frivolous

3027
02:47:09.840 --> 02:47:14.799
<v Speaker 2>expenditures quote unquote were environmental and nature And I remember

3028
02:47:14.879 --> 02:47:16.399
<v Speaker 2>quite a few of them that we even talked about

3029
02:47:16.399 --> 02:47:18.719
<v Speaker 2>on the show that Doe sh had found. One of them.

3030
02:47:18.799 --> 02:47:21.680
<v Speaker 2>There was a study being done by was it Alabama

3031
02:47:21.840 --> 02:47:26.319
<v Speaker 2>U where they were seeing how much of a leaf

3032
02:47:26.399 --> 02:47:29.559
<v Speaker 2>blower would it take to knock a lizard off a tree.

3033
02:47:30.120 --> 02:47:32.120
<v Speaker 2>They got like a quarter million dollars of funding to

3034
02:47:32.159 --> 02:47:36.799
<v Speaker 2>conduct that research. Okay, and that's listed under environmental Gotta

3035
02:47:36.840 --> 02:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>protect lizards and all these things. So with cutting of

3036
02:47:40.799 --> 02:47:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the funding to all these different research groups, I could

3037
02:47:44.760 --> 02:47:49.920
<v Speaker 2>imagine a world conspiratorially, of course, where these environmental groups

3038
02:47:49.959 --> 02:47:53.680
<v Speaker 2>are making a push a scream in a direction to

3039
02:47:53.719 --> 02:47:57.239
<v Speaker 2>try to gain more funding. And it's an old narrative

3040
02:47:57.239 --> 02:47:58.920
<v Speaker 2>that they have been talking about for decades.

3041
02:47:59.399 --> 02:48:01.360
<v Speaker 3>I could see that I can see them using this,

3042
02:48:01.559 --> 02:48:04.440
<v Speaker 3>and especially this is a really good fear tactic. I mean,

3043
02:48:04.479 --> 02:48:08.079
<v Speaker 3>food and water are our main things that people will

3044
02:48:08.120 --> 02:48:09.799
<v Speaker 3>lose their absolute minds.

3045
02:48:09.520 --> 02:48:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Over, especially now as everybody is so worried about their

3046
02:48:12.520 --> 02:48:14.920
<v Speaker 2>snap benefits get taken away and all these things. They're

3047
02:48:14.920 --> 02:48:17.159
<v Speaker 2>talking about how they're gonna have people looting stores just

3048
02:48:17.239 --> 02:48:20.000
<v Speaker 2>for food and all that. We're talking about not just

3049
02:48:20.079 --> 02:48:22.319
<v Speaker 2>food abundance as far as what you're able to find

3050
02:48:22.360 --> 02:48:25.360
<v Speaker 2>on your shelf. We're talking about the potential of farms

3051
02:48:25.399 --> 02:48:28.079
<v Speaker 2>to not be able to produce crops if the bees

3052
02:48:28.120 --> 02:48:28.479
<v Speaker 2>go out.

3053
02:48:29.000 --> 02:48:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but the same energy is not being held. Right.

3054
02:48:33.159 --> 02:48:34.920
<v Speaker 3>But this is definitely one of those scenes that they

3055
02:48:34.920 --> 02:48:37.920
<v Speaker 3>can use as fear tactics. They can change the narrative

3056
02:48:37.959 --> 02:48:40.760
<v Speaker 3>and what they want people to use, what they don't want,

3057
02:48:41.120 --> 02:48:44.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, the the what is it they're creating those

3058
02:48:44.520 --> 02:48:47.920
<v Speaker 3>lab grown meats. The oh god, they cut three D

3059
02:48:48.120 --> 02:48:49.399
<v Speaker 3>printed meats.

3060
02:48:49.440 --> 02:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, So that's so fucking nasty. Like in theory that

3061
02:48:53.559 --> 02:48:54.840
<v Speaker 2>sounds fucking gross.

3062
02:48:55.120 --> 02:48:58.360
<v Speaker 3>It does sound really gross, but that it plays into it.

3063
02:48:58.479 --> 02:49:00.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you don't have enough lad and you

3064
02:49:00.280 --> 02:49:02.520
<v Speaker 3>don't have enough green, you don't have enough stuff to

3065
02:49:02.520 --> 02:49:04.719
<v Speaker 3>feed the animals, we won't be able to make more.

3066
02:49:05.079 --> 02:49:08.040
<v Speaker 3>So then it's like this vicious cycle of well, this

3067
02:49:08.120 --> 02:49:10.719
<v Speaker 3>is what we need to do, and so people are afraid.

3068
02:49:10.799 --> 02:49:14.120
<v Speaker 3>People will bow down and do whatever it needs they,

3069
02:49:14.559 --> 02:49:16.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, what they need to do to be able

3070
02:49:16.159 --> 02:49:19.639
<v Speaker 3>to get food and water for their families. So yeah,

3071
02:49:19.799 --> 02:49:22.959
<v Speaker 3>I think it's an interesting timing that we were finally

3072
02:49:23.079 --> 02:49:26.159
<v Speaker 3>gaining I remember seeing all sorts of stuff on Facebook.

3073
02:49:26.440 --> 02:49:29.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, the bees are coming back, everything's great, and

3074
02:49:29.399 --> 02:49:31.879
<v Speaker 3>then all of a sudden, you know, a few months later,

3075
02:49:32.360 --> 02:49:36.399
<v Speaker 3>everything is dying, and it's like, okay, So.

3076
02:49:36.040 --> 02:49:37.959
<v Speaker 2>Those two things can't be true at the same time.

3077
02:49:38.760 --> 02:49:41.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it could be a sense of maybe wild

3078
02:49:41.440 --> 02:49:46.000
<v Speaker 3>bee population, but I didn't remember reading about wild bees.

3079
02:49:46.120 --> 02:49:47.680
<v Speaker 3>It just said bees, so.

3080
02:49:47.520 --> 02:49:51.040
<v Speaker 2>That could be true too. It could be but again

3081
02:49:51.159 --> 02:49:53.799
<v Speaker 2>I have with the article how right, how are you

3082
02:49:53.879 --> 02:49:57.280
<v Speaker 2>measuring the wild bee population that's out there. When you have,

3083
02:49:57.680 --> 02:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>give or take fifty million hives in this country of

3084
02:50:01.520 --> 02:50:04.399
<v Speaker 2>wild bees, and that's a rough estimate, there's no way

3085
02:50:04.399 --> 02:50:05.840
<v Speaker 2>of tracking every one of those.

3086
02:50:06.239 --> 02:50:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the qualitative and quantitative data for that would

3087
02:50:09.079 --> 02:50:11.959
<v Speaker 3>be damn near impossible to track. I mean unless they

3088
02:50:12.120 --> 02:50:16.319
<v Speaker 3>really were buckled and tripled down on actually finding a

3089
02:50:16.360 --> 02:50:19.399
<v Speaker 3>single bee for each hive and then following it back

3090
02:50:19.479 --> 02:50:22.799
<v Speaker 3>and then getting more bees for each hive. Yeah, I

3091
02:50:22.879 --> 02:50:25.079
<v Speaker 3>just don't see how that they could track if it

3092
02:50:25.159 --> 02:50:30.680
<v Speaker 3>was actually impacting the native wild bees versus the commercial bees. Yes,

3093
02:50:30.760 --> 02:50:33.840
<v Speaker 3>you're actively checking all the time.

3094
02:50:34.840 --> 02:50:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I just it sounds to me like if you were

3095
02:50:37.559 --> 02:50:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a doctor and you told your patient, by the way,

3096
02:50:40.079 --> 02:50:42.879
<v Speaker 2>you're doing healthier than ever, but also by the way,

3097
02:50:42.959 --> 02:50:44.120
<v Speaker 2>you have heart.

3098
02:50:43.799 --> 02:50:46.559
<v Speaker 3>Cancer and page four cancer.

3099
02:50:46.879 --> 02:50:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, So wait, hold on, what bro, don't worry. I

3100
02:50:49.520 --> 02:50:51.639
<v Speaker 2>got these one studies over here saying that you were

3101
02:50:51.680 --> 02:50:54.520
<v Speaker 2>the epitome of health, you've never been better. And I

3102
02:50:54.559 --> 02:50:56.360
<v Speaker 2>got these other studies they are saying you have six

3103
02:50:56.360 --> 02:50:58.360
<v Speaker 2>months to live and there's nothing we could do about it.

3104
02:50:58.479 --> 02:50:59.520
<v Speaker 2>So I guess we'll just.

3105
02:50:59.520 --> 02:51:01.920
<v Speaker 3>See how that's actually pretty much where they did with

3106
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<v Speaker 3>my grandma, not even joking you. So they kept telling

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<v Speaker 3>her that she was the epitome of health and that

3108
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<v Speaker 3>there was nothing wrong with her. She was super healthy,

3109
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<v Speaker 3>everything was fucking awesome. But she kept having symptoms that

3110
02:51:16.040 --> 02:51:18.079
<v Speaker 3>just didn't make sense. And I kept being like, you

3111
02:51:18.120 --> 02:51:20.760
<v Speaker 3>need to go in, you need to get rechecked. Finally,

3112
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<v Speaker 3>I like I harbored on her enough, she decided to

3113
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<v Speaker 3>go in and just happened to see a different doctor

3114
02:51:26.520 --> 02:51:29.319
<v Speaker 3>that day. Yeah, and she was like, I you know,

3115
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<v Speaker 3>this is what's going on with me, blah blah blah.

3116
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<v Speaker 3>They do some labs and a week later they have

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<v Speaker 3>her come in and they're like, so we have something

3118
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<v Speaker 3>to tell you, and she's like, okay, she had stage

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<v Speaker 3>four cancer.

3120
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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

3121
02:51:44.040 --> 02:51:45.719
<v Speaker 3>She died less than two months later.

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<v Speaker 2>So her doctors would did they know and didn't tell her?

3123
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<v Speaker 2>Or were they incompetent.

3124
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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 3>They did heavily push for vaccines with her, and they

3126
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<v Speaker 3>were like, you must take these vaccine, but they would

3127
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<v Speaker 3>tell her. She even read me the report and it

3128
02:52:04.280 --> 02:52:07.719
<v Speaker 3>said you're the epitome of health for eighty eight years old.

3129
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<v Speaker 3>She'd died less than two months later from stage four cancer.

3130
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<v Speaker 2>Now, I have no idea how fast cancer can take you.

3131
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<v Speaker 2>I guess it depends on the type of cancer, right,

3132
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<v Speaker 2>But you don't go from being completely fine to stage

3133
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<v Speaker 2>four in two months, do you.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she had had to have had this for

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<v Speaker 3>a good long while. The symptoms that she had had

3136
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<v Speaker 3>were for over two years at least, and I kept

3137
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<v Speaker 3>telling her, like, something's not right. She would go in,

3138
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<v Speaker 3>she would get all the blood labs done, she would

3139
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<v Speaker 3>tell a doctor. The doctor would prescribe her more medication,

3140
02:52:39.840 --> 02:52:40.920
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying the symptoms rather than treating the actual issues.

3142
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<v Speaker 3>She's like, you're fine. I don't understand. You're doing fine.

3143
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<v Speaker 3>Everything's coming back positive. You look great, you're losing weight,

3144
02:52:50.959 --> 02:52:52.760
<v Speaker 3>you look awesome, blah blah blah.

3145
02:52:52.760 --> 02:52:54.920
<v Speaker 2>That's losing weight is not always a positive.

3146
02:52:54.959 --> 02:52:56.559
<v Speaker 3>But the thing but the thing about it was is

3147
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<v Speaker 3>that she was losing weight, but she had a distinded

3148
02:53:00.239 --> 02:53:03.040
<v Speaker 3>so it means her stomach was really pushed out. And

3149
02:53:03.079 --> 02:53:05.360
<v Speaker 3>it was like, if you would have just taken twenty

3150
02:53:05.399 --> 02:53:09.639
<v Speaker 3>minutes to like really look at her and listen, yeah,

3151
02:53:09.680 --> 02:53:11.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know she would have survived. But she would

3152
02:53:11.760 --> 02:53:15.520
<v Speaker 3>have had a higher chance of being able to fight it.

3153
02:53:15.600 --> 02:53:18.639
<v Speaker 3>At that point, there was no fighting it. She got

3154
02:53:18.639 --> 02:53:21.680
<v Speaker 3>home to Oregon and died within less than two weeks

3155
02:53:22.000 --> 02:53:25.440
<v Speaker 3>of me being in there, and it was just it

3156
02:53:25.479 --> 02:53:27.920
<v Speaker 3>was then they told us we had eight months plus.

3157
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<v Speaker 3>But the medical system is as Kaiser in it. No,

3158
02:53:33.399 --> 02:53:36.920
<v Speaker 3>she didn't have Kaiser with She lived in Idaho and

3159
02:53:36.920 --> 02:53:41.280
<v Speaker 3>then moved to Oregon, but she, you know, had It

3160
02:53:41.319 --> 02:53:44.639
<v Speaker 3>was just crazy how they just kind of brush you off.

3161
02:53:44.680 --> 02:53:48.000
<v Speaker 3>My favorite line that they tell old people is you've

3162
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<v Speaker 3>lived a good life. You're sixty or sixty years old,

3163
02:53:52.239 --> 02:53:54.719
<v Speaker 3>You've lived enough good for you. We're not going to

3164
02:53:54.799 --> 02:53:57.520
<v Speaker 3>help you. They said that to my dad as well

3165
02:53:57.600 --> 02:54:01.200
<v Speaker 3>when he was dying. He's lived a good life he was.

3166
02:54:01.360 --> 02:54:04.639
<v Speaker 3>I was like, he's not even like sixty five years old, Like,

3167
02:54:04.719 --> 02:54:08.159
<v Speaker 3>what are we talking about here? Wow, But that's kind

3168
02:54:08.200 --> 02:54:11.399
<v Speaker 3>of the same thing. Like you've they just kind of

3169
02:54:11.440 --> 02:54:14.079
<v Speaker 3>push you off and here's some medication, here's this, and

3170
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<v Speaker 3>just keep on going.

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<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely horwindous m h. But I mean again, I'm

3172
02:54:22.000 --> 02:54:24.120
<v Speaker 2>of the belief that it's more of a follow the

3173
02:54:24.159 --> 02:54:25.079
<v Speaker 2>money with that as well.

3174
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, one hundred percent, the medical industry is tied heavily

3175
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<v Speaker 3>into big pharma, and big pharma rules the world and

3176
02:54:32.120 --> 02:54:35.680
<v Speaker 3>it rules our food. In this whole situation with bees,

3177
02:54:36.319 --> 02:54:38.879
<v Speaker 3>it definitely pleays into it because as we were looking

3178
02:54:38.879 --> 02:54:43.079
<v Speaker 3>at articles and the groups that are participating in these experiments,

3179
02:54:43.719 --> 02:54:48.120
<v Speaker 3>they were obviously attached to big Pharma and they're obviously

3180
02:54:48.159 --> 02:54:51.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure if we spent longer, we could probably trace

3181
02:54:51.120 --> 02:54:54.319
<v Speaker 3>even more of the investors and go back into good

3182
02:54:54.319 --> 02:54:56.159
<v Speaker 3>old Bill Gates and everybody else.

3183
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I don't know. I do think that this

3184
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<v Speaker 2>an interesting topic to bring up. I think this was

3185
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<v Speaker 2>a fun episode. Thank you again Raven Lee for co

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