Speaker 1: So I turned off my pistol and it is silent,
Speaker 1: and I'm like looking, I'm trying, I'm like stucking a
Speaker 1: little bit to each side, trying to figure out what.
Speaker 2: In the hell is going on. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it sounds.
Speaker 1: Like you loaded up an eighteen wheeler and let it
Speaker 1: loose down the side of the mountain, branches, breaking, crashing,
Speaker 1: thundering noises.
Speaker 2: Which were the footsteps, I assume now just boom boom,
Speaker 2: boom boom down.
Speaker 1: The side of the mountains, but just paving a trail. Man,
Speaker 1: I've never heard anything like that.
Speaker 3: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt, and I
Speaker 3: am joined by Micah. Mike reached out to me recently
Speaker 3: with some interesting experiences he's had in Idaho, and him
Speaker 3: and I both but especially him, are hoping that maybe
Speaker 3: somebody listening will be able to shed a little light
Speaker 3: on his experience and maybe give him something to relate to,
Speaker 3: which is something a lot of us are looking for
Speaker 3: whenever we witness these things. Micah, thanks for joining me
Speaker 3: on Bigfoot Crossroads.
Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, So take us through that day what you
Speaker 3: were doing and everything that happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, So first encounter was in twenty fourteen. It was
Speaker 1: either March or April. I sorry, fifteen twenty fifteen, March
Speaker 1: or April twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: I was a senior in high school.
Speaker 1: Had a buddy and I that we would go out
Speaker 1: and we would go coyote hunting near the area I
Speaker 1: still currently live in, not far from the Boise area,
Speaker 1: and we would go out coyote hunting, just out on
Speaker 1: the local ranches. We had a couple guys that would
Speaker 1: give us fifty bucks a coyote for two eighteen year
Speaker 1: old kids for an evening.
Speaker 2: That it was a great past time in a way
Speaker 2: to have a little cash.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But we both grew up in Valley County, which is
Speaker 1: about two hours north of where I live now, Valley County, Idaho.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to use his name. I haven't talked
Speaker 1: to him about this. I don't have permission to use
Speaker 1: his name.
Speaker 3: No problem.
Speaker 1: Anyways, we were from a similar area growing up, and
Speaker 1: so we got permission from our parents. Our homework was
Speaker 1: all done, we didn't have tests or anything, so we
Speaker 1: got to skip school on a Friday and skip town
Speaker 1: and go wolf hunting. For a weekend in Idaho. They
Speaker 1: had just recently, like in like five years before that,
Speaker 1: I think like late two thousands, they had just reintroduced
Speaker 1: wolves in the area in Idaho, and they run rampant.
Speaker 2: Especially those first few years. It was nuts. Fish and
Speaker 2: game didn't want to say they existed.
Speaker 1: People were having cows killed, sheep were being killed, the
Speaker 1: elk herds.
Speaker 2: I grew up in a really small town. The elk
Speaker 2: used to be on the golf course in town at night. Wow.
Speaker 1: And once they reintroduced the wolves, they were just gone done.
Speaker 2: They were not anywhere they were normally seen once they
Speaker 2: reintroduced wolves.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure they worked over the all Kurds pretty
Speaker 1: good anyway. So we went up to just outside of
Speaker 1: a town called McCall, Idaho. He had this old jeep,
Speaker 1: this old two door jeep, and we called it the
Speaker 1: I think we called it the war wagon because that
Speaker 1: thing would go anywhere.
Speaker 2: It was awesome. And we were.
Speaker 1: Kind of cruising these little mountain back roads and there
Speaker 1: was a sheep herder in the area. They've been having
Speaker 1: problems with wolves for a long time apparently, and my
Speaker 1: buddy knew him. The sheep herder had talked to my
Speaker 1: buddy's dad two weeks before we went up for this
Speaker 1: little hunting weekend and said that he'd lost three of
Speaker 1: his guard dogs to a wolf till a single wolf.
Speaker 2: That had been coming in and killing his sheep.
Speaker 1: I didn't connect all this until a couple of years later,
Speaker 1: but he said that one huge black.
Speaker 2: Wolf had come in and killed three of his guard dogs.
Speaker 1: For a reference that that was a Great Pyrenees and
Speaker 1: two Anatolian shepherds. So these are not small dogs that
Speaker 1: are being killed.
Speaker 3: No, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: And something just destroyed those three dogs. So not only
Speaker 1: is he losing sheep, he's now lost his guard dogs.
Speaker 1: And this guy is not happy this This sheep hurder anyway.
Speaker 4: So we are cursing these little back roads, and he
Speaker 4: had a spot where he had heard that there was
Speaker 4: wolves in this little valley a few weeks prior.
Speaker 2: So we stopped and we hike.
Speaker 1: It's probably only a quarter mile hike from this little
Speaker 1: road up to the top of the ridge where we.
Speaker 2: Can kind of see down into the valley.
Speaker 1: We come up over this ridge and we sit there
Speaker 1: and we're just kind of listening, getting used to the
Speaker 1: sounds around us. And my buddy's sitting next to me.
Speaker 1: I see him slowly like sit upright, like if you
Speaker 1: were sit bolt upright in slow motion.
Speaker 2: That's what he did.
Speaker 1: And he nudges me and says three seventy right at
Speaker 1: the edge of the woodline.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, So he said three hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: yards right at the edge of clearing in front of us.
Speaker 2: On the opposite side, it had come out not all
Speaker 2: the way across this little meadow, but it was about
Speaker 2: three quarters of the way across coming out of the
Speaker 2: woodline and looked like it was crossing to the other side.
Speaker 2: It's on all fours.
Speaker 1: It is black as black can be, which I didn't
Speaker 1: think anything of it, again because we had black wolves
Speaker 1: in the area. I don't know, I think, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I looked at one point and there's a Canadian gray
Speaker 1: wolf timberwolf hybrid that can be black, and the things
Speaker 1: are freaking huge.
Speaker 2: There's a picture of a.
Speaker 1: Guy up in a town called Grangeville, which is about
Speaker 1: four four hours north from where we were.
Speaker 2: He's holding a wolf under the front legs.
Speaker 1: The guy six foot two, by the way, He's holding
Speaker 1: a black wolf under its front legs and the back
Speaker 1: feet are still touching the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were big wolves.
Speaker 1: So in my mind, I'm thinking, this is just one
Speaker 1: of these huge black wolves.
Speaker 2: Cool, we're going to get a shot on it. We're
Speaker 2: going to get to go home with a wolf. And
Speaker 2: something that we would do when we were kyote hunting
Speaker 2: is he had a.
Speaker 1: Two two three bolt action that his dad had a
Speaker 1: surpresser on, a fully legal. He had the documents, he
Speaker 1: had the tax stamps, everything, and that thing was a
Speaker 1: coyote killing machine.
Speaker 2: That gun was.
Speaker 1: But what we would do is usually he would take
Speaker 1: the first shot and then if he missed, I was
Speaker 1: scoped on the same animal, and if he missed, I
Speaker 1: would do a follow up shot.
Speaker 2: And we had a pretty good success rate with that.
Speaker 1: But this time we had decided to switch and I
Speaker 1: was going to shoot first. I had an unsuppressed two
Speaker 1: twenty three and so I my buddy ranges him and
Speaker 1: he says, all right, he's at three seventy four.
Speaker 2: That's not exact.
Speaker 1: I think it was three hundred and seventy four yards
Speaker 1: because we'd been practicing shooting like three hundred to four
Speaker 1: hundred on coyotes recently, and we had pretty good success.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, So I said, take my breast.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm on my little, my little shooting stand,
Speaker 1: my tripod. I take my breath and I fired I
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I missed or if it
Speaker 1: the shot had.
Speaker 2: No effect or what, but it didn't know we were there.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of at a slow.
Speaker 1: Not quite a trot, but it's just moving at a
Speaker 1: pretty good little pace across this.
Speaker 2: Clearing, not in a hurry.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I missed or if the
Speaker 1: shot had no effect, but this thing was gone before
Speaker 1: my buddy could take a follow up shot. And it covered.
Speaker 2: Probably seventy yards in two seconds three seconds.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't even know how to describe
Speaker 1: how fast this thing. I've never seen anything like it
Speaker 1: in my life. I was unbelievably fast. And I kind
Speaker 1: of looked at my buddy and I was like that
Speaker 1: that thing's gone already, and he goes, dude, I didn't
Speaker 1: even I couldn't even keep it in the scope to.
Speaker 2: Track it for a follow up.
Speaker 1: And he he was a ridiculously good shot and he
Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't do it. So we're like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: that was weird, and we just shot the unsuppressed rifle first,
Speaker 1: So we're going to go to a different.
Speaker 2: Spot, you know.
Speaker 1: So we did, and we ended up going to like
Speaker 1: a completely different valley like four miles away and got
Speaker 1: a couple of coyotes and nothing crazy. But that that
Speaker 1: kind of wraps up that encounter except for the next day.
Speaker 1: We went back trying to see, if you know, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll get lucky, and this thing comes back through and
Speaker 1: like I said in the email, there it was a
Speaker 1: tree stump that this thing had walked in front of.
Speaker 2: I did not realize it at the time.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big dude, I'm only five nine, But
Speaker 1: when I walked up to that stump it was.
Speaker 2: It is not really a stump. It was a cutoff tree.
Speaker 1: That tree cut was just below like my belly button area.
Speaker 1: There was daylight between that thing and the stump under
Speaker 1: its chet.
Speaker 3: Geez.
Speaker 2: So I mean again, you're talking three and a half.
Speaker 1: Feet maybe four feet to the bottom of the stomach,
Speaker 1: which is like four.
Speaker 2: And a half five feet at the shoulder. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: don't know if any wolf that gets that big. No.
Speaker 2: I walked up to.
Speaker 1: It and I'm kind of looking at the stump, and
Speaker 1: I turned and looked at my buddy, and I can
Speaker 1: tell he's thinking the same thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, did you there was daylight between that
Speaker 2: and the stump? Right that wolf?
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, that's the biggest damn wolf I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. And that's and that was the end of it,
Speaker 1: because we were like, well, it was just a big
Speaker 1: friggin wolf, you know, just a freaking big wolf.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know if any species that gets that big.
Speaker 3: I mean, I assume that whenever you fired, both of
Speaker 3: you had your scopes on it, right.
Speaker 2: Yep, just like we did when we were coyote hunting.
Speaker 3: I mean, did you see any physical reaction from being hit?
Speaker 2: No, That's why I don't know if I missed or
Speaker 2: if the shot had no effect.
Speaker 1: You know, after listening to some podcasts, I've heard that
Speaker 1: these things are you know, whatever you want.
Speaker 2: To call it, whether it's bulletproof or the bullets just
Speaker 2: don't do anything. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've taken shots at really similar ranges on
Speaker 1: coyotes which were a lot smaller than.
Speaker 2: This thing, and I'd rolled them. Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know if I missed or
Speaker 1: if it just didn't do anything, but it was gone
Speaker 1: before my buddy could even figure it out and get
Speaker 1: a follow up shot. And we, like I said we
Speaker 1: would coyote hunt, we would both be scoped in and
Speaker 1: as soon as we figured out if he missed or not,
Speaker 1: because usually he shot the suppressed rifle first, and if
Speaker 1: he missed, I would follow up on it. And we'd
Speaker 1: done it many times in whatever order and successfully.
Speaker 2: And it was gone and I'm gone before he could
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 3: Did everything about it seem normal?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Did it look normal in appearance? From what you could tell?
Speaker 1: I was so excited to see a wolf that I didn't, shamefully,
Speaker 1: I didn't look.
Speaker 2: Super closely, but it, I mean it was. It didn't
Speaker 2: seem all that out of the normal. It was big,
Speaker 2: it was on all floors, it had.
Speaker 1: A tail, it had wolf type ears. I mean it
Speaker 1: looked like a mass.
Speaker 3: Of black wolves and just solid black.
Speaker 1: Jeah, I mean black as black can be in my
Speaker 1: in my scope, the it was blacker than the black
Speaker 1: of my crosst.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is also something that I've heard witnesses mentioned before,
Speaker 3: is how dark of a black it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that part's for real. I can tell you
Speaker 2: that much.
Speaker 3: And then the speed that it left the area. I mean,
Speaker 3: typically the larger something is, the slower it is.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Man, you would think so,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything moved the way this thing did.
Speaker 2: Not an animal, not a human.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. Like I said, it was seventy yards ish.
Speaker 2: It was nuts.
Speaker 3: You're an experienced coyote hunter at that point, and you've
Speaker 3: had the ability to, you know, take double shots previously.
Speaker 3: You're used to the movements, You're used to the speed.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I tell people. You know, over
Speaker 3: and over again. You were the one that was there
Speaker 3: and witnessed it and experienced everything. You would know better
Speaker 3: than anyone else.
Speaker 1: If my friend hadn't been here, I would have thought
Speaker 1: I imagined it.
Speaker 2: That's how fast it was.
Speaker 3: No noises or anything like that. Obviously, whenever you went
Speaker 3: back the next day, you didn't see any signs of
Speaker 3: blood or anything.
Speaker 2: No, no signs of blood. I didn't really hear noises.
Speaker 1: But like I said, we were three one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five yards away. Yeah, so I don't think I mean,
Speaker 1: if there was noise that we could hear from that far,
Speaker 1: it would have been.
Speaker 2: A hell of a racket. But no, there was no noise,
Speaker 2: there was no blood, nothing.
Speaker 3: Do you happen to know if the property owner had
Speaker 3: any more problems after that?
Speaker 2: The sheep hurder was.
Speaker 1: His land where he ran his sheep was like, I
Speaker 1: think a mile away as the crow flies. So we
Speaker 1: were close to the property, but we were actually on
Speaker 1: public land during that incident.
Speaker 3: But you never heard anything from him afterwards.
Speaker 1: No, because we graduated in May and then I'm still
Speaker 1: friends with the guy, but I don't see the guy
Speaker 1: that I was with.
Speaker 2: I'm still friends with him, but we don't see each
Speaker 2: other super often. Yeah, so we just.
Speaker 1: Kind of it was a big black wolf and we
Speaker 1: missed and that sucks And how was that?
Speaker 2: Dog?
Speaker 3: Man? Is not my field of expertise, I would say,
Speaker 3: but it's something that I have talked to people about,
Speaker 3: and I have talked to several people who have reported
Speaker 3: seeing what you're describing a large black wolf except supersized. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you're probably the third or fourth person that I've
Speaker 3: talked to that has witnessed something like this from all
Speaker 3: over the United States. So it's definitely something at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would definitely say that. I can't say, you know,
Speaker 3: you didn't see it stand up.
Speaker 2: Or anything not that I saw.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I can't say that it was a dog
Speaker 3: man as people describe a dog man being on two legs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they say they can go on all fours and stand
Speaker 3: up on two legs and vice versa. So I mean,
Speaker 3: it's definitely a possibility, but it's definitely something. Like I
Speaker 3: said that, I've talked to other people who have said
Speaker 3: that they've seen the same thing. So there's something out there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's being seen by people that in all descriptions of
Speaker 3: a giant black wolf.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I honestly, if that thing had stood up on two legs,
Speaker 1: I probably would have had a heart attack. As big
Speaker 1: as it was. I mean, I had a coworker that
Speaker 1: had two two big, great dings, Like one of them
Speaker 1: could stand just normally in front of me and barely
Speaker 1: tip his head back, and we were nosed to know
Speaker 1: he was a big dog. Yeah, and this this whatever
Speaker 1: I shot at dwarfed that great dane.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One guy I talked to described it as at first
Speaker 3: he thought he was looking at a black cow out
Speaker 3: in the field. But it wasn't moving like a cow.
Speaker 3: And then it kind of turned its body where he
Speaker 3: could see its silhouette better and realized that it was
Speaker 3: a canine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this this thing was broadside to us. There was
Speaker 1: never a question that it was a wolf. I mean
Speaker 1: it was as a hunter.
Speaker 2: This is like almost a picture perfect shot. He's he's
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 1: Coming from like my three o'clock towards my nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: I've got the wind in my face where he's ranged.
Speaker 1: He's just tutulu and along this clear.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was perfect. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't again, I don't know if I don't know
Speaker 1: how I missed, if I missed. I saw that shot
Speaker 1: in my sleep for weeks after that.
Speaker 2: Because I wanted a black wolf. I was going to
Speaker 2: get it mounted. I wanted that black wolf.
Speaker 1: The moment that we realized, like holy cow, that was
Speaker 1: the biggest damn wolf we've ever seen, because my buddy's
Speaker 1: a little bit taller than me, and when we walked
Speaker 1: up on that cut tree and realized how tall that
Speaker 1: thing was at the shoulders, we were like, holy crap.
Speaker 3: So the shot is something that's what triggered me and
Speaker 3: triggered memories within myself. I had this friend. He passed
Speaker 3: away whenever we were young, but we were best friends
Speaker 3: in high school. Spent a lot of time together, a
Speaker 3: lot of time talking. He was Native American and his
Speaker 3: family had some land that they would go hunting on.
Speaker 3: They had a cabin there and they'd go deer hunting
Speaker 3: every year and on this property, which I have been to.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty crazy place.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 3: They would see a large black cat. They described it
Speaker 3: as a panther. Yeah, And I know he even had
Speaker 3: his brother talk to me about it. One time. His
Speaker 3: father and his brother both had taken shots at this
Speaker 3: thing while deer hunting on the property. And I mean
Speaker 3: both of these guys were crack shots, you know, especially
Speaker 3: his dad had been hunting for years and years and
Speaker 3: years and years, and same reaction, you know, absolutely swear
Speaker 3: up and down. They hit it, had it dead to rights,
Speaker 3: and it didn't even flinch. It would just run off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's exactly what happened with this thing. And
Speaker 1: my buddy was like, did you hit it? And I
Speaker 1: was like, you've seen me make that shot. I made
Speaker 1: that shot. It was less than a week prior. It
Speaker 1: was the Saturday before we'd gone kyote hunting and we'd
Speaker 1: gotten three of them, and I made that almost exactly
Speaker 1: the same shot on a coyote, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: the the coyotes in Idaho aren't huge. There're fifty sixty pounds,
Speaker 1: so it's a lot smaller than this thing was.
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'll ever.
Speaker 3: Know to not even flinch or anything. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: whenever you miss a shot, you usually know that you
Speaker 3: missed it, you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, absolutely, I do. Once you've taken enough shots, you're like,
Speaker 2: can't I pulled that? Na miss?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was low?
Speaker 1: You know you can usually you can usually call where
Speaker 1: the shot goes if you if you spend the amount
Speaker 1: of time behind the scope. And man, I just don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe somebody will be listening that we'll be able to say, yeah,
Speaker 3: that happened to me too.
Speaker 1: I would love it if somebody else from Idaho's had
Speaker 1: something like that happened.
Speaker 3: I can say that I have heard mention that some
Speaker 3: of the natives up around Idaho do talk about a
Speaker 3: dog man creature.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, if you hear anything in the future, I
Speaker 2: would love to hear it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I'll definitely put you into contact with
Speaker 3: some people.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: So, but this wasn't your only strange encounter.
Speaker 2: No, it was not.
Speaker 1: So the second one was in September of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: It was about three and a half ish years later,
Speaker 1: completely different area. This area that the second encounter happened in.
Speaker 1: I'm going to use the hunting zones for the areas,
Speaker 1: Like if you were to look at a fishing game map,
Speaker 1: you can look and be like, Okay, it happened in
Speaker 1: these areas of these areas. So the first one happened,
Speaker 1: and what's called the McCall zone. The second one happened,
Speaker 1: it's called the Weezer River zone. I was archery hunting.
Speaker 1: I'd gotten into it a couple of years prior, and
Speaker 1: I had gone and scouted this area and you kind
Speaker 1: of went up the mountain and then.
Speaker 2: There I found this little pullout on Google Maps.
Speaker 1: I was looking one day at this mountain and I
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, I think I'm gonna go check this
Speaker 1: spot out. So I had on X maps, I had,
Speaker 1: I had offline maps ready to go. I had my
Speaker 1: little route track or all set and I went in
Speaker 1: just on a day trip.
Speaker 2: Left really early in the morning. It was about uh.
Speaker 1: About a three hour drive up there, so I left
Speaker 1: really early in the morning.
Speaker 2: I got up there a little after the sun was up.
Speaker 2: I walk in.
Speaker 1: It was about a mile and a half I think,
Speaker 1: to where I had picked as a glassing point, and
Speaker 1: the spot that I picked, I had the highest peak
Speaker 1: in the area, kind of off to my left with
Speaker 1: a deep canyon, and then another point probably a quarter
Speaker 1: mile out in front of me in a in a
Speaker 1: straight line.
Speaker 2: Quarter mile, so it was it was a pretty good
Speaker 2: ways off.
Speaker 1: And I sat there and I glassed, and I'd found ELK.
Speaker 2: I had a good little trail.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, if I can, you know,
Speaker 1: if I and take some time and come back here,
Speaker 1: I should be set, Like I should be able to
Speaker 1: find ELK. Maybe I'll get a shot, maybe I won't,
Speaker 1: but I should be able to get on them if
Speaker 1: I come back here. So next week I came back
Speaker 1: and there was a couple of like dirt, big dirt
Speaker 1: bike trails in the area, but I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1: I was up there in the middle of the week
Speaker 1: intentionally so that hopefully people wouldn't be ripping around on.
Speaker 2: Dirt bikes and pushing elk around.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So the second time I was in there, I did
Speaker 1: not see another living creature. I was like, what the
Speaker 1: heck is going on? I just saw elkin here, I
Speaker 1: just saw deer and here like five.
Speaker 2: Days ago, six days ago.
Speaker 1: And I spent all day hiking around glassing. I did
Speaker 1: a couple of bugles, which admittedly weren't the greatest. I
Speaker 1: was never the greatest at ault calling.
Speaker 2: But this it's like the middle.
Speaker 1: Or the last third of September, like if you're muggling,
Speaker 1: the elk should respond in theory, of course, And there
Speaker 1: was not a thing.
Speaker 2: There was not a chipmunk, there wasn't.
Speaker 1: A bird, nothing, which at the time i'd like seen
Speaker 1: finding Bigfoot and you know whatever.
Speaker 2: But I didn't know a lot about it. I hadn't
Speaker 2: listened to podcasts, I hadn't listened to encounter stories. I
Speaker 2: didn't know anything.
Speaker 1: I thought they were just some big, hairy creature that
Speaker 1: walked around in the woods.
Speaker 2: And occasionally people saw them.
Speaker 1: It's getting towards towards dark, and I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be up here for a couple of days, Like
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. I'd, you know, hike around
Speaker 1: a bunch again tomorrow and try to see if I
Speaker 1: can find where they're at. So I'm walking back to
Speaker 1: I was sleeping in my vehicle, and as I'm walking
Speaker 1: down this game trail that kind of like side hills
Speaker 1: along inside the mountain and off the trail, this sort
Speaker 1: of been too my left side, I realize I can
Speaker 1: hear something walking and it's just just a slow, steady
Speaker 1: kind of crunch crunch roll.
Speaker 2: It's it's quiet, but it's there.
Speaker 1: And my mind again, I don't I don't know anything
Speaker 1: really about Bigfoot other than what I've seen on the
Speaker 1: TV shows. It is not even a thought in my
Speaker 1: mind at this point. I'm thinking this is either bear
Speaker 1: or cougar. Either way, I'm by myself, a mile from
Speaker 1: my car.
Speaker 2: I might be in trouble.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of walking slowly and trying to look
Speaker 1: without looking off to my left to try to see
Speaker 1: this thing. And it's sounds like it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five yards away, which should have been my
Speaker 1: first inclination that it's not a cougar, because if it's
Speaker 1: a cougar, you're very likely not gonna hear it. Yeah again,
Speaker 1: I was a newer hunter. I really probably shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been out there by myself, but I was twenty two
Speaker 1: when gung ho and invincible and just ready to go.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I remember at one point I stopped and this
Speaker 1: thing stopped. I've heard the saying deathly quiet. That is
Speaker 1: the only thing I can think to describe it. There
Speaker 1: is not a word, not a sound, not a whisper, nothing.
Speaker 2: So I keep walking slowly and this.
Speaker 1: Thing resumes walking with me, and I'm like, okay, this
Speaker 1: this has this has to be a bear. So I
Speaker 1: did it like a quick stop again where I took
Speaker 1: like a short step, and this thing took one more
Speaker 1: step after I stopped. So I was like, oh crap,
Speaker 1: this is this has to be a bear, and I'm
Speaker 1: deep crap all at once. There is the most like explosive, forceful,
Speaker 1: just hella, and I felt it in my chest like
Speaker 1: the base at a concert, and it scared me so bad.
Speaker 2: So I spind my left and I'm bow hunting.
Speaker 1: And technically you're not supposed to have a firearm, but
Speaker 1: I always had a pistol with me just in case.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not gonna do much against a bear,
Speaker 1: but it was a sense of security more than anything.
Speaker 2: It's just a to a.
Speaker 1: Nine millimeter, But i turn and draw my pistol because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm about to get charged by this thing.
Speaker 1: This is a bear, and it's about to come and
Speaker 1: mess me up, and I'm gonna be stuck out here
Speaker 1: on the mountain for at least two days until my
Speaker 1: brother in law comes to find me.
Speaker 3: Horrible situation, by the way, not done, not.
Speaker 2: Done at all.
Speaker 1: So I turned draw my pistol and it is silent,
Speaker 1: and I'm like looking, I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I'm like stucking a little bit to each side, trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what in the hell is going on.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, it sounds.
Speaker 1: Like you loaded up an eighteen wheeler and let it
Speaker 1: loose down the side of the mountain, branches breaking, crashing,
Speaker 1: thundering noises, which were the footsteps, I assume now.
Speaker 2: Just boom boom, boom boom down the side of the mountain.
Speaker 2: For I don't know how far it ran, and it
Speaker 2: ran a pretty good little distance, but just paving a trail. Man,
Speaker 2: I've never heard anything like that.
Speaker 3: What what did you think at that point.
Speaker 2: I mean, I did not have any idea. A dude,
Speaker 2: I was so scared.
Speaker 1: I there's only one other time in the woods where
Speaker 1: I'd been anywhere near that scared, and that was a
Speaker 1: different story. But it ended up being that there was
Speaker 1: a mountain lion in the area. But I never anything
Speaker 1: like that. It's the most scared I've ever been in
Speaker 1: my life because I was Again I'm thinking, what on
Speaker 1: God's green earth was that? And again, I'm a relatively
Speaker 1: new hunter. I'm by myself. I'm three hours away. My
Speaker 1: brother in law knows that if I don't come back
Speaker 1: in two days to come and find me.
Speaker 2: He knows where I'm at.
Speaker 1: I set him u pin where I left my vehicle,
Speaker 1: so he at least knows where to come.
Speaker 2: Look kind of, but I'm by myself. This really wasn't
Speaker 2: very smart.
Speaker 3: And how far were you from your vehicle at that point?
Speaker 2: About a mile three quarters of a mile to a mile.
Speaker 3: That had to have been a really long walk.
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, I was shaken so bad. I was so scared,
Speaker 2: it's unreal.
Speaker 1: I did not put my pistol back in my hole
Speaker 1: surther rets of the way the vehicle.
Speaker 2: I put my bow on my backpack.
Speaker 1: I had a little hook that I made on my
Speaker 1: backpack that I could set the limb of my bow
Speaker 1: into it and it would carry it. And I get
Speaker 1: rattled and everything, but I could have my other hand free,
Speaker 1: and I have never walked a mile so fast in
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: I walked my car and I went home, and I
Speaker 2: got back down to the.
Speaker 1: Valley where I live, and my girlfriend at the time,
Speaker 1: she thought I was going to be gone for like
Speaker 1: three more days.
Speaker 2: I think this was like a Wednesday or Thursday. I
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be back until Sunday.
Speaker 1: And I got back that night and she was like,
Speaker 1: what happened? And I was like, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going back up there. And I've not been
Speaker 1: back to that area since. I have only been hunting
Speaker 1: one other time since then.
Speaker 2: Wow, and that was two years ago.
Speaker 1: I still have all my stuff, I hadn't sold everything,
Speaker 1: but I will not ever go back in that area
Speaker 1: again unless I had like four people with me. And
Speaker 1: only later on did I find out. From listening to
Speaker 1: a podcast, I hear the guy talking about something paralleling
Speaker 1: him out and then a big foot stepping into the
Speaker 1: trail in front of him.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh, there is no way,
Speaker 2: because he described it almost word for word.
Speaker 1: Would happened to me, something walking alongside him and then
Speaker 1: the huff, and then a different one stepped out in
Speaker 1: front of him. So I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: a little bit of luck that this thing at least
Speaker 1: seemed to be by itself, because I didn't ever see anything, right,
Speaker 1: But man, I am so glad I didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: For one, I think again I would have had a
Speaker 2: heart attack. For two, I was so scared. I think
Speaker 2: I would have just started pulling the trigger. I don't
Speaker 2: know what I would have done.
Speaker 3: Have you been around bears in the wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a Again, I grew up in a
Speaker 2: really small town.
Speaker 1: We had a bear that would come and raid our
Speaker 1: trash can and my neighbor's trash can, who is a
Speaker 1: classmate of money. We had bears. I'd seen kyotes. We
Speaker 1: had mountain lion tracks on main street. Wow, fishing game
Speaker 1: had become dark a mountain lion and relocate it in town.
Speaker 1: I was not unfamiliar with them. I had never seen
Speaker 1: a mountain lion in the wild. I've actually only ever
Speaker 1: seen one in person, and it was crossing the road.
Speaker 1: But when it huffed, the first thing my mind went
Speaker 1: to was there. But man, the lung power that thing
Speaker 1: had to have is nuts.
Speaker 2: It rattled my ribs and again it was just a big, powerful,
Speaker 2: just kind of I don't even do it justice.
Speaker 3: Like bears make a lot of noise. It wouldn't have
Speaker 3: just been a single huff, you know. There probably should
Speaker 3: have been some jaw clacking and a lot more huffing
Speaker 3: and snorting and stuff. And they'll definitely parallel people in
Speaker 3: a situation whenever they're hunting or checking something out, but
Speaker 3: usually once they figure out it's a human, they just
Speaker 3: hall ass.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Usually black bears are kind of sissies, like they just were.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh craft human, run away.
Speaker 3: And the whole like trying to match your steps. Bears
Speaker 3: don't do that.
Speaker 1: I think that was what scared me the most is
Speaker 1: I can't see this thing, but it is matching me
Speaker 1: almost perfectly, step for step.
Speaker 3: I mean, did it sound by pedal At the time.
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking about that, but thinking back on it, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was two feet. It was walk because.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not in a hurry, like I'm walking along
Speaker 1: this trail listening, and every time my boot would come
Speaker 1: down on the trail, it would it would match me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't two matches for every one time my boot
Speaker 1: came down, you know it wasn't. It wasn't step step
Speaker 1: step step step step, like you hear it something on
Speaker 1: four legs. I think people who've been outdoors and I've hunted,
Speaker 1: and to know what I mean by that, like that
Speaker 1: you'll hear from a deer kind of.
Speaker 3: Thing, right, No, this was.
Speaker 2: Crunch, crunch, crunch, and eerily matching it. It was scary.
Speaker 3: Something from my own experience is a way that I've
Speaker 3: described it, because this is how it seemed to me.
Speaker 3: If you're out walking in the woods, not hunting, mind,
Speaker 3: you just walking. Humans make more noise than anything. Let's
Speaker 3: be clear about that. Oh, absolutely are extremely noisy. But
Speaker 3: like if you've ever just been like walking out in
Speaker 3: the woods or whatever, you can hear your steps. Usually
Speaker 3: you know you're swishing through the debris and everything to
Speaker 3: leave clutter or whatever. Animals whenever they walk, they're quieter,
Speaker 3: but typically in a relaxed situation they're just walking. You
Speaker 3: know you'll hear them walking these things. Their steps have
Speaker 3: purpose very purposeful when they walk. They're not just shuffling
Speaker 3: their feet and just walking casually through the woods like
Speaker 3: an animal. It's like each step has an intent and
Speaker 3: they're paying attention like how they're stepping and how much
Speaker 3: noise they're making, everything else going on at the time.
Speaker 3: It's scary. It's very scary, very unnerving.
Speaker 2: It felt like I was being stocked. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: it was, because that's when that's when humans get quiet,
Speaker 2: as when they're stalking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's when you're looking down to make
Speaker 1: sure you step on moss or a rock and not
Speaker 1: on a stick. Like it felt like I was being
Speaker 1: stocked with.
Speaker 2: Bad intentions.
Speaker 1: It just gives me the chills even now, even sitting
Speaker 1: here thinking about it, my arm hair is standing.
Speaker 2: It was, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I and I didn't tell anybody about that until I think.
Speaker 2: It was either earlier this year or late last year.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I hadn't told a soul because last year about this
Speaker 1: time is when I started listening to podcasts, and I'd
Speaker 1: always I'd always been kind of interested in it, like
Speaker 1: Monster Quest was one of my favorite monster shows.
Speaker 2: I love Monster Quests.
Speaker 1: It was it was great, you know, I loved hearing
Speaker 1: the stories and and obviously they never find anything, but
Speaker 1: still it's fascinating to me. And I think I was
Speaker 1: I think I was listening to West Germer's show.
Speaker 2: Sasquatch Chronicles, and that was where I heard the story
Speaker 2: of the guy being paralleled.
Speaker 1: And I'm a I'm an Amazon delivery driver and I
Speaker 1: stopped in the middle of somebody's path and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh my gosh, that's what happened to me.
Speaker 2: That's what happened all again, almost word for word being paralleled. Huh.
Speaker 2: And then a siding, and I'm just glad I didn't
Speaker 2: have a siding. I don't know if I want to
Speaker 2: see one of these things.
Speaker 3: A buddy of buying cam on the show and talked
Speaker 3: about being paralleled down in Texas and got freaked out.
Speaker 3: He was shook. He was shook by it just being paralleled.
Speaker 3: And then another real good friend of mine got paralleled
Speaker 3: out in California and he didn't see anything but very
Speaker 3: similar description, even down to like the part where it
Speaker 3: just like crashes off into the woods and runs off.
Speaker 1: That was the other thing that scared me is how
Speaker 1: much noise it made going away.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've I've spooked deer, I've spooked elk.
Speaker 1: They they make a pretty good racket when they when
Speaker 1: they're moving and a big is smacking his antlers off
Speaker 1: of trees as he's running away and not caring, they
Speaker 1: make a pretty good day. It was nothing like what
Speaker 1: ran away from me, which I don't know why it
Speaker 1: ran away, but my pistol wouldn't have done anything.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it ran away because I drew
Speaker 2: my pistol. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If it just decided I'll crap this thing that like
Speaker 1: this little human knows I'm here now, time to get
Speaker 1: out of do I don't know, but man, it got.
Speaker 2: Out of there, and it got out of there fast.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you live to tell the tale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thankfully.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I haven't been back up there, but
Speaker 1: it's just bizarre, the whole behavior, the paralleling. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're if they're watching. I mean, hopefully someday
Speaker 1: we get the answers, but I don't know if that'll happen.
Speaker 3: Here we are. I mean, like you said, this happened
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen. Yeah, so many people out there would
Speaker 3: just take this story as like, okay, so the guy
Speaker 3: heard some noise in the woods. You don't talk about
Speaker 3: noises in the woods. You know years later, and it
Speaker 3: has the profound effect on you. It's almost like there's
Speaker 3: something inside of us that knows, there's something instinctual that
Speaker 3: picks up that like this wasn't normal, this was something else.
Speaker 1: That's the best way I can excuse me, the best
Speaker 1: way I can think to describe it, and that's the
Speaker 1: best way.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't make sense unless you've gone through it.
Speaker 2: But that fear that I felt.
Speaker 1: Was something I've never felt in my life, and I really, honestly,
Speaker 1: I hope I never feel it again, because I just
Speaker 1: in my bones, I was like, this is not good.
Speaker 1: I am in deep shit and I don't know how
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out of this, Like there's nothing you
Speaker 1: can do. Just a couple of weeks ago, I was
Speaker 1: listening to your show and somebody mentioned the BFRO reports,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I'm going to go.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go look this up. I'm going to
Speaker 1: see about this. And the county that I grew up in,
Speaker 1: Valley County has either the second or the third most
Speaker 1: bigfoot sidings in.
Speaker 2: My state in Idaho.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: And I think the most recent one was like twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: so nothing recently reported, but I was like, wow, I
Speaker 1: had no and they were areas not far from me.
Speaker 2: One was at a ski.
Speaker 1: Resort called Tamarack Resort, which is twenty five minute drive
Speaker 1: from where from the house I grew up in. And
Speaker 1: then another one was at a spot called Warm Lake,
Speaker 1: which is a thirty minute drive from.
Speaker 2: The house I grew up in.
Speaker 1: I didn't and I had no idea until, like I said,
Speaker 1: a week two weeks ago, when I went in loove.
Speaker 2: That was bizarre.
Speaker 3: Which area of the state are you in.
Speaker 2: Currently?
Speaker 1: I live in the Boise area, which is the capital city.
Speaker 1: I'm about twenty five minutes from.
Speaker 2: The capital city.
Speaker 1: But the area that I grew up in in Valley
Speaker 1: County was a little little tiny town called Cascade. I
Speaker 1: grew up in a teeny teeny tiny town. It's like
Speaker 1: a thousand people if you get every redneck out of
Speaker 1: the hills for the census. But that's the area I
Speaker 1: grew up in.
Speaker 3: Have you had any ghost or UFO experiences or anything
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I've never had any UFO experiences. Quite frankly, I'm not
Speaker 1: ever really looking.
Speaker 2: Though, so there might have been something.
Speaker 1: The only paranormal experience I've ever had it was a
Speaker 1: one time thing. I was in PE class and I
Speaker 1: went to go get the dodgeballs for the PE class
Speaker 1: with one of my classmates and they like had to
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom, so I just went to the
Speaker 1: old equipment room. It was in the what we call
Speaker 1: the little gym, the old gym and the locker room
Speaker 1: at that place.
Speaker 2: If it was dark, creepy, it was scary.
Speaker 1: But I went down into that little spot and I
Speaker 1: would and it's dark and I'm fumbling for the light switch,
Speaker 1: but I would swear. Somebody right behind my left shoulder
Speaker 1: went hey, and I thought it was my classmate strewing
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 2: And I turn around and there's nothing. Wow, that's the
Speaker 2: And so that was that was trippy.
Speaker 3: Well, man, I appreciate you coming on and talking to me. Man.
Speaker 1: No, I again, I appreciate you having me, and I
Speaker 1: like the way you do your shows, the way you
Speaker 1: you kind of let people talk and hear them out
Speaker 1: and ask questions, and I just really appreciate you let
Speaker 1: me come on and share.
Speaker 2: My my ramblings.
Speaker 3: So I greatly appreciate it. So it's good. It's good.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And if you've had an encounter with something you
Speaker 3: can't explain, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3: Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find
Speaker 3: links to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need
Speaker 3: all in one place. And until next time, remember there's
Speaker 3: something in the woods.