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Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me

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covering Dungeon Crawler Carl book seven, this Inevitable ruin Justice

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Light chapter through fifty seven. In these chapters, we have

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got some developments happening with Juice Box, especially that I

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find really compelling, and I am growing more and more

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upset by what people are getting in their loop boxes.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the show everyone. I

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am Natasha. Thank you very much to Michael for commissioning

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this episode. So I'm recording this Tuesday, May twelfth. Parade

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of Horribles dropped late last night and technically today, but

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you know, and I am just really glad that I'm

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going to get to start coverage of it right after

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I finish this book and not have to wait. And

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yet I am aware that I will then have to

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wait for the following book, so you know, I'll still

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have to play the waiting game eventually, but not yet.

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Not yet, all right, guys, So let's talk about this

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first section with Justice like this is so.

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Speaker 2: Ough.

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Speaker 1: This is so interesting because and this is something that

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I think is the key to part of the reason

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that this series is so much more successful than a

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lot of other lit RPG stuff. Our main character is

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good at his thing, but his thing is very specific,

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and it's very narrow, and we have to dip into

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other povs to get a bigger perspective on what is

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going on, and it wouldn't make sense for us to

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see all of this through Carl's eyes, and the author

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isn't afraid of branching out a little bit more, And

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I really am, like, I really love getting these breaks

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from Carl's pov at this point. You know, this wasn't

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something that was happening a lot in earlier books, and

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as the world opens and becomes more complicated, it makes

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sense that this is starting to happen. But also, of

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course it's more devastating. So I am really let's uh

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start off with the part how justice we get like

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some truth that he is keeping hidden. He'd held several

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incorrect assumptions regarding the slug alows. He told Carl and

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Tippid that he wanted them to help build the trap

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system because it was dangerous and these creatures didn't appear

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to care if they died. That was only partially true.

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It was also only part of the reason he'd insisted

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on using them as his assistants. It turned out he

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was incorrect about his second assumption regarding these creatures as well.

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With his lone wing, he patted the fat painted slug

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on the side of his squishy neck. So he is

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telling all of them that they need to go upstairs.

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If they stay down here, shit may go in a

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direction where they won't get to fight at all, and

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he knows that's important to them, has to do a

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little convincing and then it's like, you know, if you guys,

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if it does start to go bad, you can come

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back down here, but for now, I really want you

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to be up there. And as he is watching them go,

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he calls out and he's like, uh, not you though,

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and this slig a loo called Wargo comes toward him

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and is like, what do you need and Justice is like,

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I need you to contact your boss for me, and

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for a second, Wargo's trying to pretend she doesn't know

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what he means, and then pretty quickly is like, shit,

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I'm supposed to kill you if you figure it out,

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and he's like, I mean, I figured I've set up

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a bunch of traps, so I don't think you're going

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to be able to do it, but also I think

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your boss is.

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Speaker 2: Going to want to talk to me.

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Speaker 1: And I love the detail that he tells Wargo he's

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planted four traps and Wargo is like, actually I count six,

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and he's.

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Speaker 2: Like, actually it's eight.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that she was able to detect six

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is pretty impressive, although she may not have detected them

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and just guessed that there were more than I said.

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And what's interesting about this is the fact that, like,

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we have got this what's the word I want? We

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have got this veteran here who understands on some level

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the NPCs in a more whole way, If that is

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that word what I want?

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Speaker 2: Holistic.

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Speaker 1: I hate using that word because it feels so like

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woo woo, but that's really not what it was originally.

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Speaker 2: But I really.

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Speaker 1: The fact that everybody else doesn't really seem to understand

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the danger here with the shape shifters is understandable because

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there's some things that are leading up to his assumptions

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in this which it doesn't seem other people have thought of.

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And I think that he hasn't shared with anybody, maybe

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because he is hoping to sort of corner juice box

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for this one on one deal. But he is working

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with some hunches that make them more threatening than other

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people seem to take them to be. Apparently, Tippa just

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didn't think this threat was going to be that big

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a deal. Rosetta was a bit more realistic in her assessment.

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Carl didn't have the proper point of reference and had

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no idea what he was dealing with. That was the

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problem with most revolutionaries. They had tunnel vision. Not that

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you're any different, he told himself. Was it still tunnel

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vision if he was aware of it?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes.

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Speaker 1: Just because you're aware of a behavior doesn't mean that

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it's suddenly not that behavior. That's my assessment.

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Speaker 2: He had chosen the.

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Speaker 1: Sluggolows because he'd incorrectly assumed the procedurally generated NPCs wouldn't

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be copyable by Class A and BNPC changelings, and he

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had been wrong. But luckily, paranoia had been Justice's way

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of life for a very long time now. He kept careful,

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careful track of everyone around him at all times. He

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even knew when the change had occurred. When Wargo had

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gone down the new tunnel and returned just a few

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minutes later. Justice had noticed the change immediately. His built

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in neural implants had noted the subtle change of body

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temperature and weight. Also, the lack of hormonal emissions had

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been a dead giveaway, so he is able to tell

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he's got some tools that he's working with, similar to what.

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Speaker 2: Cupcake, Why do I do it? Guys? Why why do

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I do it? Oh my god? Why? Why is it? Why?

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Why do I still do this? It's book seven?

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Speaker 1: Why why?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, she'd be so mad at me.

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Speaker 1: He's working with a similar tool as Donut has built

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into her sunglasses, in addition to some other things. So yeah,

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I'm just really interested in the fact that he has

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these implants that can tell this sort of stuff and

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how close to the vest he's playing it all because

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this all feels on the surface like the sort of

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stuff you want to be communicating to everyone. But I

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think that like in a general way, and yet when

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I look at this situation and the way it goes,

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I very strongly feel he's.

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Speaker 2: Doing this the right way.

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Speaker 1: So it's I always run into this when I'm dealing

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with certain characters in fiction, where I think about, like

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the way that I would have handled a thing versus them,

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and how my instinct is so often to over communicate.

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I want to be understood so badly, and talking is

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the way I handle it. And I think keeping stuff

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to myself is going to lead to problems, and it's

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really hard for me to keep in mind that sharing

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things can also lead to problems. One isn't inherently better

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than the other, but I think when you are not

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neurotypical and you are used to being misinterpreted or misunderstood,

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you tend towards explaining more and sharing more as a

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defensive mechanism against that, if that makes sense. And I

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just like I said, I think he's doing this in

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a smart, correct way, but I know that if I

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were in his shoes, probably wouldn't have done it this way.

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And I really wonder what would have changed.

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Speaker 2: As a result of that.

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Speaker 1: His working theory was that these particular changelings had their

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gating removed because of that quest on the fifth floor

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with the Ketzel coatless ghost. The whole set up never

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came to pass, but the system would have allowed them

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to add the demigod into their library should they have

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survived an encounter with the ghost. As a result, all

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the changelings that the Crawlers sent down here to the

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Ninth could now mimic just about anything they managed to touch,

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which was terrifying, especially with them gaining memories of their

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past iterations. And this is one of those things that

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is particularly weird to me, is just the fact that,

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like their gating is gone. I get exactly what he's

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saying here probably happened, but I am also puzzled at

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the fact that, like, the AI doesn't just put the

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gating back, you know. And this is some of what

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I will run up against occasionally in regard to the

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rules of the dungeon and what the AI allows and

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what it doesn't and the limits, because that's the catchphrase

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that we got a lot of is everybody has their limitations,

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and I assume this is one, but I don't understand

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why this is one. So anyway that might be something

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I find out, it may not, I don't know. But

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uh so, the slugs were procedurally generated. They were barely

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a step above the NPCs that populated the clubs. Mimmicking

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didn't sound like it was a big deal, but it

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had never been allowed before. Justice Light knew one thing

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it was if one door was unexpectedly unlocked. It was

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possible and even likely that other doors would be unlocked

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as well. This realization had changed everything. His impossible plan,

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which was really just an overly complicated suicide plot, was

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suddenly not so impossible. But first he had to get

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the changelings on his side. And I want to know

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about this very much. I have no guesses, I really don't,

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but I am interested. So we have juice Box like

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appearing in this body, like she can link to the

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changeling here somehow, so that her own head appears in

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human form, And it is pretty clear that this is

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like actually her speaking to him somehow. I don't know

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how this even works. It's sorry, I'm looking at Saraphim says.

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Michael says, lazy coding. Not the first time some lazy

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coder tried to tweak something in a game to try

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to let something happen, and he accidentally introduces a balance

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and game breaking interaction in the process. No, it's just

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her telling the changeling what to say via chat. The

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changeling is doing the impression.

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Speaker 2: On his own.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, because like the head transforming. I thought

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Speaker 2: Outworlder, and.

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Speaker 1: He is like, hey, I get why you're saying that,

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but I need you to really know and like listen

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when I say, I am not I didn't want to

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be part of this. I wasn't asked. I was taken

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from my original home when they just like attacked us.

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I am as much a child of the Dungeon as

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you are. I've been here for so long now. And

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he guesses that her age is like a hundred, and

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she says that she has lived she believes at least

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four hundred different lives up until this point, which is honestly, like,

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the amount of experience that she has to draw from

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in having lived that long is more frightening than the

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shape shifting.

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Speaker 2: To me. That's so.

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Speaker 1: That there are so many circumstances and situations if she's

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able to start accessing these memories more reliably that can

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potentially be exploited that it's almost as if she has

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her own cookbook, but it's herself. So that makes sense.

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So she and she apologizes. I'll say that for Juice

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Box that she apologizes for calling him an outworlder. And

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let's see here it is, please call off your digger.

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I'll make a deal if you don't wreck everything I

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spent the last week building. I promise I won't tell

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the others of this conversation. I believe you have no

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desire to be our enemy, and all you want to

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do is protect yourselves.

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Speaker 2: I truly believe that.

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Speaker 1: But if you use that digger to get to me,

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you will hurt your allies and ultimately yourself. All I

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am asking is for you to hear me out. And

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so she does stop it moving, And there's a sort

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of like a series of moments with the digger where

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you know, first it stops moving, then it like goes

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idle and goes from idle to off, then it turns

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back on again, but it begins to move in.

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Speaker 2: The other direction.

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Speaker 1: Like all of this as their conversation progresses. And this

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noticing because I really, you guys know that, like a

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couple episodes ago when they were on that show, far

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finding out that the people who owned these TV companies

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were able to change the names of television shows in

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order to share information that Donut tried to get Ferdinand

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to use one of his emergency actions and Juice Box

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stopped them, stopped him, and when he said, well, we've

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got two left, she said, so do they. And I

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was admiring the fact that she was being so careful.

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I had had moments earlier where it felt like she

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was very agro with Carl in a way that I

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didn't understand, because I felt as if he had done

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so much and put his neck out so much to

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help them, and there was an almost an attitude coming

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from her like we wouldn't be in this situation in

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the first place if it weren't for you, which isn't true.

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And here is just as sort of addressing this and

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being like, look, I actually I believe that you want

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to be friends, but you just don't think that that

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is compatible with your other goals. And I was really

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feeling this from Juice Box, like she just wasn't offering

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the kind of support I was expecting to see from her,

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and I didn't understand why. Now that we are finding

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out that there is a different goal that they have,

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I'm starting to get it, but I still don't. Fully,

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I'll admit it's just I appreciate finding this out because

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I've found her behavior just puzzling. And I was disappointed,

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if I'm honest, because I had expected the NPCs to

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be a real boon to our friends, and it just

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seemed like they were kind of not uninvolved entirely obviously,

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but they were just not in the conversation how I expected.

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So this is when Justice Light begins to tell his

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story and this juice Box interrupts a number of times

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to just be like, I don't get your point, and

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I get so infuriated over this sort of thing because

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it's like, yeah, of course you don't, because he's not

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fucking done.

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Speaker 2: Will you shut the fuck up?

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Speaker 1: I get so annoyed, y'all. My mother is the type that, like,

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midway through a movie, she'll start being like, but I

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don't understand. This doesn't make any sense, and I'm like, yeah,

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we aren't supposed to understand.

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Speaker 2: Shot up, and she will like talk.

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Speaker 1: Over the movie and then be mad she missed things,

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and I just want to slap her. So anyway, that

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is what juice Box is starting to do, and he

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manages to get her to pipe down. But he talks

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about killing this NPC and the fact that like it

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was out of anger, and it was the only time

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that he had taken his anger out on somebody like

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this and killed them, and that it being an NPC

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he was really ashamed of. Plus the fact that it

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wound up having these consequences where that NPC was key

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to get folks accessing certain supplies for their quests and

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he wound up screwing everybody. And he says, he you

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got out and made a deal to run.

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Speaker 2: The trap store.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure the best supplies were always available.

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Still it didn't help. It was already too late. In

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that single unnecessarily violent act, I allowed them to win.

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Everything after that ceased to matter, or so I thought.

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I'm not sure how much you know about what happens

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to crawlers after they finished with the dungeon. But I

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became an indentured servant. So then he talks about his

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neighbor Dante, and I remember, I feel like we read

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Dante's POV at one point, right, And they are set

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to guard this settlement and the people who live there

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are these what are they called ice elves, and they're

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really adorable, sweet natured creatures that they become friends with,

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and then they suddenly get an order to kill all

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of them, and he's like, I still don't understand why

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we were ordered to do it, and Dante refused twice,

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and when he said that he wouldn't on the second time,

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a beam just came down and he was fucking gone.

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He had just been vaporized, and I felt like, oh

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my god, he was so close to getting out and

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all for nothing, and it took off my wing. But

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I also later began to realize that like the fact

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that he stood his ground means that he died free

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in a way that I didn't because I followed the orders.

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And he mentions execution by the AI, which is actually

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quite rare, and that was the note, because you know,

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we had a moment where the AI says, or I'll

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do to you what I did too, and then like

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kind of falls off and says, actually, you know what,

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never mind, and I was like, what does that mean?

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And I'm wondering if it's surfacing this or something else,

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because apparently rare but not unheard of. And he talks

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about like they'll normally handle us by using mercenaries that

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come in can't have the AI do too much.

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Speaker 2: Of the cleanup.

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Speaker 1: They like to keep it focused. And she asks, what

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happened to you after your friend was killed? I too refused,

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but I only did so once, and unlike Dante, I

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was given a warning, they ordered me a second time.

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I am still in, not free. And then it's like,

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noted that normally he'll stop the tail there, which obviously

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what he is saying is I followed orders, but he

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doesn't say it. And then he goes on and tells

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Juice Box an additional thing that he normally keeps to himself,

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and that is he has a dream sometimes that he

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goes into the castle and all the I elves are

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already dead because they overheard what the orders were and

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took their own lives so that he wouldn't have to

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do it. And he's like, I think it's so fucked

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up that part of me really wishes that is what happened,

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because it's so cowardly of me, you know. And after

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I have this dream, I always go back to that

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moment with the clerk at the trap store, the first

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person I killed out of anger, and I wonder what

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difference is there between anger and cowardice. Yo, that's a

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fucking great line.

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Speaker 2: I really like.

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Speaker 1: There are so many lines in these books that are

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highlighted that I'm just like, yeah, that's funny, but is

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it really you know? And then there's lines like this,

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nobody's highlighted, and I'm like, what is wrong with you people?

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This fandom needs to up their game? What difference is

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there between anger and cowardice? Is a fucking sermon. Actually,

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you could write a thesis paper.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying there is no difference. I'm not saying

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that at all, but the overlap there is wild And yeah,

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he says here, I did it. Dante died, I lost

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my wing, and I did what they asked because I

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was afraid. They didn't even fight back. They loved puzzles

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in the snow. I was already done. It was all

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off camera. I still don't understand why. But Dante taught

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me there's no such thing as the point of no return.

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Speaker 2: So I want you to know this.

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Speaker 1: You are distrustful of former crawlers. I understand that you

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fear we crawlers will sacrifice you to save ourselves, and

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you have positioned yourselves to protect against that. But I

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now understand what you're really doing, what your real plan is,

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and I want you to know I can help you.

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I too have a plan, and I believe it is

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compatible with your own. I have a new dream. I

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am angry, but it is a different type of anger.

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You have spies on all corners of our base and

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all of the bases.

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Speaker 2: And then he says something that I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, oh what, and he is like, you could

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have managed to kill everybody in the Blood Sultanate, no problem.

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You said you couldn't, but it was bullshit, and I

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was just I had a moment there. Guys, Karl going

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through what he went through, which has obviously really like

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fucked him up. Knowing that Juice Box could have helped

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has me in fits inly, I really like, I sympathize,

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even understand. It does not change how upset it made

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me to learn this, Like ah yeah, And he essentially

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is like, I actually think that you could end all

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of this right now if you wanted. And let's see,

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I believe you're a good person and you intended to

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honor the alliance, but I believe you're the alliance is

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secondary to your true purpose the gods. It's about the gods.

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It has been about them the whole time. You're risking

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it all so you and your kind can physically touch

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as many of them as possible, which you know, the

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fact that she was able to be this creature before

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on the interview has me asking a whole lot of

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questions regarding that, and he says, I need you to

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know how committed I am. I'm not sure what you

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did in Club Vanquisher to cause all those gods to appear,

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but I'm guessing it didn't go well. And she says,

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we lost three. We did not cause the gods to appear,

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but we were in position just in case. So this

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is interesting because I had sort of assumed something Karl

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did resulted in all the gods appearing, and I haven't

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really like stopped to put the pieces together and ask

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exactly how that happened. I think that I thought attacking

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a god in their temple caused one of the Basilica

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guards to move and leave their post, And I'm not

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really sure why I thought that was true, because that's

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not their job. Defending the gods isn't their thing. It's

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preventing them from just like walking in so I just

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didn't stop to really like sound it out as they say.

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And she says one of us has touched to deity

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and that one is wrong, and just saying something is wrong.

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I'm like really curious what that means. What about the ogres,

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the Basilica guards, did your people touch any of them?

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What if I could show you how to touch a

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god and not get killed, and in exchange, you agree

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to honor all previous deals, no more of this subterfuge.

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You agree to help with Operation Ruin and not sabotage it.

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You help us win this war as quickly as possible.

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And she says, if Operation Ruin goes off like you want,

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the gods won't be an issue. This will be over

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before anymore appear. And He's like, that isn't the war

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that I'm talking about. He sat down and started to

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explain to her what he truly been building down here.

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He showed her the trap he'd started designing the very

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moment he watched Karl discover the gait of the Pharaoh.

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Speaker 2: Gods, I am dying.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to find out what the fuck this

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is really really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Also, I just keep.

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Speaker 1: Thinking about how careful they have been about laying their

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plans and how absolutely gut wrenching it would be had

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she been able to sabotage everything. I don't know. I

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don't know what would have happened, like it would have

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ruined everything, And it is surprising to me how short

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sighted it is. Justice has to take her by the

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hand and be like, I get that you're trying to

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fuck them over, but you don't seem to see that

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it's fucking you over long term. And it's just this

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lack of trust that she has and despite the fact

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that you know, you could point to incidents like trying

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to use up your TOW emergency action items before their own,

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and not really like thinking too much of that. I

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do not believe that they see the NPCs as just

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as disposable as Juice Box thinks they see them. I

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won't pretend that Carl sees the NPCs as the same

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as the crawlers, because I don't think that's true. I

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think if it came down to saving an NPC or

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saving a crawler and he had to choose, he'd choose

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a crawler. I don't think it would be an easy decision,

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and I don't think he would feel good about it,

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but I do think that's how it would go.

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Speaker 2: I think that she.

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Speaker 1: Believes the Crawlers. And you know, I'm talking about Carl

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specifically here, and I don't really know about other players

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and how they feel about the NPCs, so I shouldn't

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speak for all because I'm really only talking about Carl

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when I say this. And Carl's close friends who I know,

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have a certain attitude as well, So you know, I

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understand being mistrustful and I understand not wanting to put

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all your eggs in their basket, but that's different than

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like actively sabotaging their shit, and that is a different level.

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That feels, like I said, you're just shooting yourself in

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the foot.

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Speaker 2: So, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Guys.

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Speaker 1: The chat just like wasn't updating, and I just like

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touched something and it just scrolled up all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: Michael says, I love how much stuff is.

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Speaker 1: Going on that Carl has no idea about that has

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kept him alive, makes the whole world feel more real.

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That's exactly right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Which makes me.

478
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: There was somebody who like commented about how the world

479
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,039
building in this series isn't good on one of my videos.

480
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:03,079
Speaker 2: Because the videos that I.

481
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,799
Speaker 1: Do for lives are available on my Patreon for like

482
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,680
anybody to comment on. They're open to the public. And

483
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,680
this guy came in and just made a bunch of

484
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,759
claims about what he didn't like, and I was just like, dude,

485
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,319
I don't know how to start telling you how wrong

486
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,559
you are. But it didn't feel like he had read

487
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,559
them all, you know, But I don't know. Saraphim says,

488
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Carl's attack on the club and General Mayhem made them

489
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,000
call the Basilica guards to stop him, and that left

490
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:33,640
the door open, was how I understood it. Same Michael says,

491
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,240
like he said, revolutionaries have tunnel vision. I think he'd

492
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,400
save Juice Box or Ruby or the Little Gnome Girl

493
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,880
over some random crawler. I don't I really don't know.

494
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,799
I really don't know, Michael, Like, that's an interesting question.

495
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,000
Does knowing someone make the hymn value them more inherently

496
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,200
the way that it would with the average person even

497
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,759
though they are an NPC, or does he feel like

498
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:05,400
he owes his fellow crawlers more because we're all in

499
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,559
this together, you know. I kind of feel like that

500
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:15,599
second one, but I don't know all right, So chapter

501
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:22,119
fifty six, the Dreams set up an additional artillery on

502
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,920
their border. I led a quick raid and run managed

503
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,720
to make his first few solo kills, including a very

504
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,799
unfortunate incident with a zebra mount that was much too

505
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,440
big for him to swallow a hole despite his very

506
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:43,119
eager attempts, which I found very funny. We now held

507
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:49,200
three fronts. We now owned Sector four and maintained our

508
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,279
southern front lines at the existing trenches between Sectors three

509
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:56,160
and four. Once the ramp up phase expired, the border

510
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,960
stopped having any real meaning and the enemy could advance

511
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,279
from anywhere. It was impossible to guard the entire length

512
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:05,119
of the border. At once the land of the former

513
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,680
Blood Siltan, it was nothing but miles and miles of

514
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,960
gently rolling hills. We turned this area into a horror

515
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,679
show of traps. The majority of the traps likely wouldn't

516
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,559
be effected, but we'd know the moment any of them

517
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,639
were disabled. We'd be able to easily track any large

518
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,960
force as it moved in, and we were far back

519
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:26,679
enough to pivot and meet them. And I appreciated that

520
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,760
because I was sort of thinking like well, the traps

521
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,719
really do anything, and it just being a sort of

522
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,800
early warning system. It's like you have a ring doorbell,

523
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:42,960
you know, that makes sense. And then Juice Box, who'd

524
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,039
been fairly stingy with her support, seemed to have had

525
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,239
a sudden change of heart and was now lending US

526
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,000
ground troops to occupy the town.

527
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: Imagine that. Lol.

528
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: With two hours left until we were just about done

529
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,519
with our final defensive tower, the plans for Operation Ruin

530
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,679
were set, but the biggest wild card was the enemy's plans,

531
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,199
if any. For the moment, the third phase began and

532
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,920
we jump here to Donut, who is complaining about the

533
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,960
color of the tower in Shantytown, which is built out

534
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,079
of granite and so it is gray. This is one

535
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,039
of those things upon which Donut and I really see

536
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,119
eye to iy on a lot of color issues and

537
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:39,079
design issues and whatnot. This is one upon which I

538
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:45,960
cannot agree. Buildings should be the color of what they

539
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,079
are built with and or a tasteful sort of neutral

540
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:56,519
organic color. And painting this tower purple I just don't

541
00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:59,519
think would be a good look. I think it would

542
00:35:59,599 --> 00:35:59,960
cheapen it.

543
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: That's just me.

544
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,079
Speaker 1: But you know the fact that it turns gold once

545
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:09,519
things are activated too. That's dope, and depending on the way,

546
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:14,000
that looks very very cool or potentially tacky.

547
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:14,559
Speaker 2: I don't know.

548
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: And she continues to like complain about this a little bit,

549
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,800
but there's the whole like Carl keeps asking the same

550
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,840
questions over and over, so they're both being very annoying

551
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,800
to the folks who are in charge of building and

552
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,880
protecting this tower in a way that's slowly driving everyone

553
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:40,199
around them insane. Let's see Donut glared up with her

554
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,159
newly added perfect night vision. That skill was added thanks

555
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,239
to a hat which she had drained and added to

556
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,000
her tiara of a thousand lights. The tiara currently had

557
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,320
thirty five of ninety nine skills and upgrades, and would

558
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,280
have two more by the time the timer expired. The

559
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,800
tiara itself glittered brilliant like a star upon Donut's head,

560
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:08,440
which I didn't like. She predictably loved it. It hadn't

561
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,199
occurred to me that crown making her so much target, Like,

562
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,760
I really hope that wasn't on purpose. Everything does sort

563
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,119
of have the two sides to it. In the dungeon,

564
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,880
there's always like a drawback, so maybe that's the one here.

565
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna jump over a.

566
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: Little bit of this because it's just like the going

567
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,239
back and forth with this rhinoceros who built this, and

568
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,000
Carl talking about like what about if they tunnel underneath,

569
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,920
which is not going to be an issue. The thing

570
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,639
will stand like literally floating in mid air.

571
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,079
Speaker 2: And there's this guy.

572
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,519
Speaker 1: Jorgen who's always talking to Heidi, who nobody can see.

573
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,400
I won't say what Donut says, which is he's always

574
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,480
talking to Heidi who isn't really there, because I don't

575
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,079
know who's there and who's not. There's a lot of

576
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,320
illusion magic in this world, you know.

577
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,519
Speaker 2: I'm saying like I.

578
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: Don't feel confident enough to say that. There's nobody there

579
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:18,199
so interested to know what the fuck let's see. I'll

580
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:24,440
be fine, Carl. She jumped to my shoulder and headbutted me.

581
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:29,920
And uh, there's this moment here where Katya is going

582
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,679
to give Wren some meat and she drops it and

583
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,320
Mango jumps in and snaps it out of midair before

584
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,800
Reren can get it, and Dona is just a pult

585
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:44,440
at at Mango's behavior. Mongo squealed in protest as rend

586
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,800
sat heavily on the ground, his little elephant legs splaying out.

587
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:52,920
Tears started to form in his massive bulbous eyes. I

588
00:38:53,079 --> 00:39:00,440
swear to God, that is really funny, my chest. If

589
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,079
the next few hours went well, this was it. If

590
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:04,960
we finished off the enemy, we weren't going to wait

591
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
any longer. The moment we were done, Katya was going

592
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,559
to sit down in the stronghold and eat the orchid

593
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,400
of Elithia's Grace. The moment Katya ate it, she would

594
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,159
basically fall into a coma for an hour. Assuming she

595
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,559
survived this part, one of three things would happen next.

596
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,440
Per our deal with Twan shin Jinx, which was supposed

597
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,960
to happen. What was supposed to happen was that Kaya

598
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,280
would be whisked away to the twelfth floor, where she

599
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,159
would become a celestial attendant. If this happened, then all

600
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:40,880
the requirements of the Sepsis Horror deal would be met

601
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,199
and Doughnut would be allowed to leave the ninth floor.

602
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,159
If the alien didn't honor the deal, then Katcha would

603
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:51,119
either be made pregnant and kicked out of the dungeon,

604
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,280
or she would have her still formidable constitution massively enhanced.

605
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,039
I knew the pregnancy prize was not what Kotchya wanted,

606
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:04,400
but part of me thought that would be better. Supposedly

607
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,679
the celestial attendants and other mortal NPCs were protected from

608
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,599
the gods on the twelfth floor. I still didn't trust

609
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,320
that choice. I didn't want to think about the third option,

610
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,920
which would only mean one of them would be able

611
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,360
to go down the stairs. In fact, it was more

612
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,719
insidious neither of them would be able to go down

613
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,960
the stairs as long as the other was still alive.

614
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,920
I refused to even entertain the thought.

615
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am.

616
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: I kind of am doing the same thing where every

617
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,599
time I remember that, I just go, well, we're not

618
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,440
talking about that. And I really do not doubt that

619
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:42,400
Katya would be immediately willing to sacrifice herself if it

620
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,559
came to that. I really believe she would. I don't

621
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:50,039
like it. Of course I prefer it because Doughnut is

622
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:57,000
my girl, cupcake notwithstanding, but I don't like it.

623
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,159
Speaker 2: So this is when.

624
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: They get called into this interview that they hadn't planned on.

625
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:19,199
Apparently Louis wasn't getting the numbers that they wanted during

626
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:27,119
his interview, and I really this is a moment that

627
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:35,920
I found very very like simultaneously in a way validating, vindicating,

628
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:42,960
but also distressing, and I wonder about it in regard

629
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,079
to like what.

630
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,639
Speaker 2: Juice Box feels.

631
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: So they get tapped to do this interview, and as

632
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,800
they are about to step into the bubble, Louie is

633
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,039
leaving and he says, dude, they just showed me a

634
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,079
video of me and juice Box together.

635
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: I was having her do as ursa r z A.

636
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:11,039
Speaker 1: Is that the creature from Stranger Things?

637
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: Urza E r z A.

638
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that character. It's great when you're doing it,

639
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,280
but watching it back to something else, I'm a little

640
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,400
freaked out right now. And Carl is about to just

641
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,679
be like, dude, you need to get your head in

642
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,280
the game, but he sees that Louis is literally starting

643
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,360
to cry and realizes like, oh, okay, I thought he

644
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,000
was just a little shook, but something really serious is

645
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,599
happening inside of his head. Oh it's a character from

646
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:46,880
an anime called fairy Tale. I'm being told, okay.

647
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

648
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: This I can't help but wonder if Louis is realizing

649
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:00,119
like that he was not treating Juice Box as a

650
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:06,840
whole person that he is seeing the dehumanization of her,

651
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,079
which like, granted, she's not human, but you get what

652
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:14,400
I mean. I am really I want to know more

653
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:20,000
about this, in particular because it's something that I think

654
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,039
is sort of a good metaphor for the way a

655
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:27,280
lot of men who are actually remaining open to the

656
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,400
criticism of women over the past decade are understanding that

657
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,079
some of their past behavior that they thought was just

658
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:38,639
like edgy or funny is actually really fucking damaging or

659
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:46,559
borderline assault. And they're looking at that and being a

660
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:52,039
little flipped out, realizing, like I thought I was being cute,

661
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,000
and I actually made somebody feel like they were in

662
00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:01,400
danger and unsafe, and I really didn't fully get it,

663
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,920
And now I'm stopping and thinking about it, and it's

664
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,480
fucking me up a little bit to realize. I think

665
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:13,639
a lot of us who are willing to listen to

666
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,880
folks who often don't get a voice, have moments like

667
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,519
this of realizing I made a snap judgment this one time,

668
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,400
and I know now it's purely because of what race

669
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,800
they were, or it was purely because of how they

670
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,800
were dressed, or I used to use this slur really

671
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:39,039
freely and didn't think anything of it or or there's

672
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:41,880
so many examples, you know, and.

673
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,199
Speaker 2: I don't know.

674
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,679
Speaker 1: I just it would not surprise me if it's sort

675
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,440
of like him getting a bit of a reality check

676
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,800
when he was trying to just have a good time

677
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,679
because he was still having difficulty dealing with like being

678
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,159
in the dungeon and going around drunk all the time

679
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,960
to detach himself from what was happening, and sex is

680
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,480
another very easy way to do that as well. And

681
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:18,360
treating Juice Box like she's a sex dispenser who can

682
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,360
change shape and not.

683
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: A person.

684
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: Probably just felt like nothing, you know, And now he's

685
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,400
got a different context. So that is how I am

686
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,800
interpreting it. And it's just really wild to think back

687
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,320
to the way that Louis behaved when we first met him,

688
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:45,000
like him and for us were actively hostile to Carl

689
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:49,079
initially in a way that I found worrying and was like,

690
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,719
I think we might need to get rid of these guys.

691
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:59,320
And it's simultaneously really nice and also really sad to

692
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,559
see him grows so much, but be growing because of

693
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,440
what this is, this place, you know, I don't want

694
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,119
this to be the means to that end, So anyway

695
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,039
I just feel for him, and I feel like it's

696
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:19,239
a really gross thing they're doing showing him this footage

697
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,880
before we go into open hostilities, because they're obviously trying

698
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,119
to get in his head. This feels like a way

699
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:35,000
to unsettle him and just a nasty manipulation tactic. And

700
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,840
it might not be on purpose. It may just be

701
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,480
a side effect of them just wanting you know. But

702
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,760
I don't know, man, I don't know. But it's also

703
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,760
potentially like something that Juice Box arranged because she was like,

704
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,400
I need him to get that he's been fucked up

705
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,039
before and understand that I am and all other NPCs

706
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:04,840
are people too, you know. So this interview, there's this

707
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,199
moment where Katya is asked to show off the kneepads

708
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,599
that she got as a celestial item, and she gives

709
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:16,199
Carl this like panicked look and he reassures her and

710
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,440
she says something about like I can go get them.

711
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,199
But then Carl later says like when she gave them away.

712
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,440
The announcers are saying, how obviously those kneepads were really

713
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,239
meant for Carl, but it does not sound like she

714
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:40,159
gave them to Carl. So I'm curious about that, and

715
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,880
let's see. Seven celestial boxes are financially devastating. Seven celestial

716
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,800
boxes were awarded during the attack on Club Vanquisher. Five

717
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:53,199
awarded via a celestial who let the gods out box

718
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,480
to Crawler's Lee June Zang, Carl prepotenting Katya, and we

719
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,559
will discuss the other two tomorrow when we interview you Lena,

720
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,000
who recently shot up to level eighty four and number

721
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,880
two on the top ten list, passing Prepatendae and landing

722
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:16,159
just behind Carl. Wow, these dreads, man, they are really something.

723
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:21,239
The Valtaan borrent corporations were in court claiming the AI's

724
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,760
takeover should release some of their financial obligations. We will

725
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,480
have more on that tonight, which I just keep forgetting

726
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,920
that these boxes are determined by the AI, but that

727
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,679
they're still being funded by somebody out so like the

728
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:41,079
way that works is really crazy. The kneepads are made

729
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:45,039
out of the eyelashes of the sea Goddess Qina. Twenty

730
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:48,559
five percent damage reflect from melee attacks. Breathe under water

731
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:52,360
benefit level fifteen, Swim skill level ten, Iron Stomach skill

732
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,320
level ten, Eater of the Dead skill so iron Stomach

733
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:03,239
means that she can eat things and get the effects.

734
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,679
Or let's see, it allowed you to consume magical items.

735
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:09,960
The item would be destroyed, and if you ate enough,

736
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:13,639
it would permanently raise your intelligence by one point at

737
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,000
level ten, it was a one to one ratio, and

738
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,360
it also allowed you to eat cursed items with no

739
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,800
ill effects. Apparently Prepotente already had this skill, which of

740
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,360
course he does. He's a goat. That makes complete sense

741
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,360
to me. I wouldn't be surprised if he entered the

742
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,719
dungeon with that skill. The ghosts just be crazy with

743
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,079
the shit they eat, guys. When they have the cartoons

744
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,639
of them eating tin cans, that's like barely an exaggeration.

745
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,159
Eater of the Dead was the same thing, but with corpses,

746
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,920
which was even more disgusting. The bodies had to be

747
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,679
over a certain mass that decreased with each other level,

748
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,039
but you had to eat several more than the magical

749
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,199
items in order to raise a stat The skill raised

750
00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:02,039
your constitution, strength and dexterity randomly, which is really wild.

751
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:06,000
And I'm super curious who that's been given to, because

752
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:07,800
it just does not seem like she gave it to

753
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,199
Carl and if she did, I don't think he would

754
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,440
be wanting to make use of those skills. I don't

755
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:24,039
know who, I don't know, I really don't, so let's see.

756
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,159
I'm trying to find a bit here. Oh. Also, I

757
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:29,840
wanted to mention that Barren's Victory is here and being

758
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,000
interviewed as well about like whether these celestial items will

759
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:39,119
conflict against each other, and it's pretty unlikely. Also, Victory

760
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:42,280
calls these like the kneepad's kneecaps, which I was like,

761
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,559
that's not even what they're made out of.

762
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:44,639
Speaker 2: It's weird that she said that.

763
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: And let's see, Carl's patch is associated with the Scavenger,

764
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,679
so it's not like we'll ever see that in action. Wait,

765
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,719
I said, but Keaven's laugh was too loud. Certainly not

766
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,239
certainly not. Kevin said, I am really feeling like her

767
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,679
saying that, and the way he responded indicates that we

768
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,840
are indeed going to be seeing that. But uh, yeah,

769
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:21,480
I don't know. And the more powerful of the two

770
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:25,760
benefits will occur. While this hasn't happened before as far

771
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,960
as I'm aware, I do know there are matched sets

772
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,639
of armor that are supposedly all divine items and I

773
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,039
feel like Baroness Victory is saying what should likely happen,

774
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,119
But I have a feeling it's likely the AI is

775
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:41,280
going to do something a little bit more interesting than

776
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,920
what she's expecting. We shall have to see. And then

777
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,599
we learn about Carl's hair brush that he got, which

778
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,960
is basically so great that he can't cut his hair. Now,

779
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,760
I wondered if this was gonna happen anytime that there's

780
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,800
a thing that occurs and he's like, I'll undo it.

781
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,880
I'm like, yeah, maybe, or you know, And I mean,

782
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,519
it's really wild. Shining Charisma benefit Speedster benefit plus twenty

783
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:15,239
five percent to your constitution level ten Entourage plus your

784
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,760
hair will be shiny and healthy and will god damn glisten.

785
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,400
Entourage was a spell don't already had, though for her

786
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,199
it was a barred skill. It was an illusion spell

787
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,719
that mirrored party members, and it would be something good

788
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:35,079
to have. That's interesting. So the Speedster benefit is also

789
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,880
something that normally you would get, like if you have

790
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:41,880
a class that is about speed and you level up.

791
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,400
But this coming through an item like this is pretty rare.

792
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:51,480
Let's see, oh right, And this is the point where

793
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,280
Carl's like, you know, he's in this bubble, but he

794
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,360
can still see everybody around him, and they're all rushing

795
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,039
around doing stuff. And he suddenly like hit again with

796
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,000
this thought of like, what gives me the right to

797
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,480
tell these people what to do? So many of them

798
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,840
are going to be in so much danger, so many

799
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,480
of them are going to die, and says that like

800
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:13,559
the victory and Club Vanquisher had made some folks feel

801
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:20,039
like we were invulnerable, and that was going to really change.

802
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,960
All of it was going to depend on Dona even

803
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,639
if we were successful, Especially if we were successful. I

804
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:33,480
feared the toll on her most of all. So fifty

805
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:39,079
seven Lee June and Zang and.

806
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:41,679
Speaker 2: You guys this.

807
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,559
Speaker 1: We silently angled through the dark tor the small newly

808
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:50,119
built brig complex around the bend from the nest tower.

809
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:53,079
Lee June clapped me.

810
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 2: On the shoulder.

811
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: His new eye, which at the moment was a swirling

812
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,199
orb of black, unnerved me. So this is like he

813
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,119
can sort of slow things down and see what a

814
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:04,320
person's about to do based on their body language and

815
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,039
the tensing of their muscles, which is wild. And he

816
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,719
asks Carl, how are you doing, which like this man's

817
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,119
capacity for forgiveness is really remarkable. I know, I know

818
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,880
that holding Carl responsible would have been unfair, but I

819
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,400
also know that I would have understood. And the fact

820
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,000
that he is so warm and friendly is almost suspicious.

821
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,719
It's not really, I don't really think, but there's a

822
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:40,000
part of me that it's just like wow. And he says,

823
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:42,920
you seem a little overworked. Doughnut says you've received over

824
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,320
thirty loop boxes, but you've only really told us about

825
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,079
the brush and potions. Donuts says you got a patch,

826
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,159
but you haven't put it on the jacket, and you

827
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,360
usually post all your items to the group chat. Plus

828
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:58,440
your hands are glowing now. And we get a little

829
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,239
inside look at some of these things, like the achievements

830
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,320
and stuff for dumb shit, or boxes that had like

831
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,039
not great things in them that they use to give

832
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:12,239
Katcha a chance to practice the like iron stomach skill.

833
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:19,280
And let's see, he's banned from Club Vanquisher now, but

834
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,360
he has been named a friend of the church by

835
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:27,039
a number of gods Epito, Elithia, Eiris, Grohl, helic isatok

836
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:33,639
nekebit the Yamaya. Then he gets an achievement for being

837
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:38,239
liquefied by this bomb, and he gets a legendary lucky

838
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,159
bitch box.

839
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: It is a patch that.

840
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: Will reflect damage onto a party member instead once per floor.

841
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:53,679
Speaker 2: He can use this.

842
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:59,159
Speaker 1: I don't think you can choose the party member. It's unclear.

843
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,239
He won't be putting this on his jacket. He has

844
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,039
determined that there is no fucking way and that if

845
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:09,280
he tells people about it, they are going to insist

846
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,880
that he put it on, and he does not want

847
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,480
to do that. I really get it. It's so risky.

848
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:16,920
It's so risky.

849
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: You know.

850
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: All of this, by the way, is bracketed with a

851
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,599
lot of like foot fetish stuff from the AI that

852
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:31,039
I'm just skipping right over. It's fine, and he gets

853
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,599
like an achievement for beating up a god, but he

854
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:38,519
doesn't get a reward because he was saved by another god.

855
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:39,679
Speaker 2: And he's a little.

856
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: Irritated because he's like, yeah, I was saved, but it

857
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,800
wasn't the god that was gonna kill me. I had

858
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:49,960
successfully like blown that god down the whole way, so

859
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:52,360
I kind of see where he's coming from.

860
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:56,519
Speaker 2: But you know, and you've.

861
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: Received a celestial who let the gods out this time

862
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:04,440
box this was the one Kaccili June design Prepotente and

863
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:11,119
I had all received I'm trying to find. Oh yeah,

864
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:13,440
I forgot. Batista gets a guidebook on all of his

865
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:15,559
little creatures. So that's amazing.

866
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

867
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,519
Speaker 1: Speaking of the question who let the gods out? It

868
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,800
was still a mystery. Naturally, I'd assumed it had something

869
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,280
to do with Samantha, but this time it didn't seem

870
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,800
to be the case. The Basilica Ogre guards had come

871
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,360
up from below to help in the fight, and that

872
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,599
had apparently left the front door unguarded, but it seemed

873
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:35,119
there was more to it than that, and it was

874
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:42,119
yet another mystery. So then we have Hey, Larry, can

875
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:45,440
I borrow your chainsaw? You have utilized a borrowed skill.

876
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:50,119
This opens up a whole new possibility of fighting styles.

877
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:54,079
Don't you think reward you've received a platinum? Have you

878
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:56,679
goddamn figured out how to use this in conjunction with

879
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:57,920
the fucking Boo Voodoo Book?

880
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: Yet? Jesus Christ, that can only help you so much much. Box.

881
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: I am extremely curious, because you guys know that I

882
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,519
have been thinking that the Voodoo Book is so that

883
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:12,480
we can communicate in a way that everybody publicly cannot see.

884
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:18,119
But evidently either I'm completely wrong or what I thought

885
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:20,480
was simply like one of the functions and there's something

886
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,880
else that can do that's way better.

887
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: Even so, I have so many like this.

888
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,639
Speaker 1: This section really opens up the possibilities on so much,

889
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:37,119
but it doesn't really answer many of our questions. And

890
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:42,440
then we get the one from fucking Embress new quest,

891
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,719
Fuck my brother, fuck him to the fires of Shale,

892
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,840
and I'm like, is he literally telling Karl to like

893
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,679
rape a god? Because I really hope not kill one

894
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:59,079
hundred worshipers of Hellic. This must be completed before the

895
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:03,000
collapse of the elone seventh floor. As a practical matter,

896
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,760
you should complete it before you complete the kill Hellic quest.

897
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,800
If you complete this quest, you will receive a permanent

898
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,719
boon of celestial quality. And then the next one, Am

899
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:17,320
I wrong to hate him? He has treated with isatak

900
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,159
on our behalf, who is in turn allowed the peace

901
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:21,639
to be breached. I am now allowed to kill the

902
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:24,639
other Shield Princess in exchange for the information Amion had

903
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:26,480
about gay Run And what does he mean about our

904
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,159
mother and sister? You, my martyr, be vigilant if you

905
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:35,320
survive killing hellck like he surely deserves. I may turn

906
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,639
my rage and grief on you for daring to hurt

907
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:44,119
my own kin, and for this, I love you, beloved

908
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:49,400
but doomed worshiper. I promise the burning will be exquisite.

909
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,480
Not loving this at all. And Carl is just sitting

910
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,519
there like I may want to be taking this smite

911
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:08,840
rather than completing this, because what the fuck? So we

912
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,239
then have a Zang has a cape of odds, and

913
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,719
this cape he's got to use it got to. I

914
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,719
gotta see it. I'm so sorry, I got to. This

915
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,760
is no way, no way do we introduce this and

916
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,119
then we don't roll the dice on it.

917
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: I need to know.

918
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: Sixty six outcomes that are bad out of three hundred

919
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,079
and thirty three. None of them killed him outright, and

920
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:38,679
all were temporary, but there was paralysis. All stats are

921
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:42,199
now five and something called it's been four hours, and

922
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:44,880
I think it's time to call the doctor, which sounded

923
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,000
ominous as fuck. It doesn't sound ominous. It just sounds

924
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,880
like it gives him a boner he can't get rid of,

925
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:55,239
which is hilarious. So I feel like that's not so bad.

926
01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:59,280
The worst was summon the god who hates you most.

927
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,880
And I understand why Carl says none of the results

928
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,360
would outright kill him, because technically this doesn't kill him.

929
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,880
The god that summoned would kill him. But it's like

930
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:14,960
as good as just outright killing him. You know what

931
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,039
I'm saying, I have got to know. I want to

932
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:20,400
see it. I want to see it. I really want

933
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:28,599
to see it. So I'm out of time. I'm gonna

934
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:34,239
touch on this. Lena asked Carl for the other ring

935
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,599
of divine suffering, and his initial reaction, as he puts it,

936
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:38,760
had been fucked.

937
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: No.

938
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: I'd worried that while it would make her stronger, it

939
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:52,760
would also drive her to do something crazy. It's so insulting,

940
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,400
Carl that you think you can handle this, but other

941
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:01,800
people can't. And like especially Lena, who if anything is

942
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,880
already in a headspace that you're heading for, I get

943
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,320
feeling like, well, then it'll just make her worse.

944
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: But honestly, you just.

945
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: Don't get to decide that. And I know, technically, of

946
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,239
course he gets to because it's in his inventory, But

947
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,079
you know what I'm saying, I was really pleased that

948
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:19,039
everybody was.

949
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: Like Carl, give it to her. What are you doing?

950
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: And especially Donut, I don't know, like he had already

951
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,679
checked and he can't use to it once, So I

952
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:33,000
don't know what it is that Donut was like thinking

953
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:35,360
if it was sort of, I just want to keep

954
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,719
it as back up in case somebody steals the one

955
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,360
I have, I've got another one that.

956
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: I can use.

957
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,639
Speaker 1: Or if it's just the fact that he has it

958
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:45,039
on him that she thinks it might continue to affect

959
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:49,000
him even from his inventory, or if it's that it

960
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:51,719
makes him a target because he has possession of two

961
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,920
and people might be trying to get him just to

962
01:02:54,280 --> 01:03:00,000
get access to that. But Lena having it makes complete sense.

963
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:05,039
I mean, come on, I don't.

964
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: I don't.

965
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: Personally, I agree completely with Ellie who says.

966
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:16,199
Speaker 2: She's crazy.

967
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: Obviously she's scary, but she's on our side and we

968
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:28,360
need to make use of that as much as we can. Sorry,

969
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:33,000
I'm chat chat chat Michael, control freak is going to

970
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:36,199
control freak. Jeff says maybe it's because he's already gone

971
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:39,159
through it and he wants to spare her. Doesn't feel

972
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:42,599
like that, not from the way he's talking. I think

973
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:44,440
keeping it is good because then he's the only one

974
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,119
that has one. It's sort of a WMD. I mean,

975
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,360
that's the argument though, right is like I'm the only

976
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,800
one who can handle it. I'm the only one to

977
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,320
be trusted with it. And that's like just the most

978
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:58,920
profoundly arrogant stance.

979
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: Seraphim. It's Donah.

980
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: It's more likely. Don't be a dick, Carl, No, disagree.

981
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:09,400
The tone is different. It was Donah who truly made

982
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,320
me want to give the second ring away. She didn't

983
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,880
say her reasoning, but she looked at me, not using

984
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:21,199
chat and simply said, please, Carl, please give it to her.

985
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,519
Do it as soon as you can. That is not giving.

986
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:26,280
Don't be a dick.

987
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: That is giving.

988
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:34,039
Speaker 1: She is worried. It's worrying her. Lena had also asked

989
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:37,119
about the necklace of Indelible Woe, but ultimately decided she

990
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:41,760
didn't want it, which there had been a message in

991
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,960
the discord forgive me, guys, because I've run out of time.

992
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,880
I am referencing it, but I don't have it in

993
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,480
front of me, essentially talking about what maybe happened to

994
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,079
make this necklace usable because I was confused at how

995
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:58,639
it had been made against the rules but now we

996
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,199
could use it again and how that would be possible.

997
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,280
But it doesn't matter because she doesn't take it because

998
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,079
she's got really great spells and she doesn't want to

999
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,480
lose any of them, which I think is the right call.

1000
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:14,679
So no, it wasn't a surprise that the brig filled

1001
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:18,760
with off world mercenaries we couldn't trust, was empty of

1002
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,719
all the prisoners save one, the one prisoner I'd specifically

1003
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,880
asked to leave alone. It was so suddenly also obvious

1004
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,239
to me why Donut had basically begged me to give

1005
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:38,840
her the ring. So Donut thought that maybe Carl would

1006
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,320
just go in there and execute everybody himself. It just

1007
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,239
this is this is tough because my instinct is should

1008
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:49,360
just be like, he would never. And then I'm like, like,

1009
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:51,719
Carl a couple floors ago would never.

1010
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 2: But Carl, now my he might. Though he might. He might.

1011
01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: I want to just discount that as just such a

1012
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:08,760
cold blooded move that he wouldn't do it. But I

1013
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:14,119
I really don't think that's it. I really think that

1014
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:17,559
he might. I think Doughnut was right to be worried

1015
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:25,920
about it. If that's it, God Jeff says, I wouldn't

1016
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,519
give it to her anyway, Donut being scared is literally

1017
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:34,239
because she thinks Lena will murder them if he doesn't. No, Jeff,

1018
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:40,039
that's not it at all. That's so funny because I

1019
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,880
don't have evidence that that's not it other than the

1020
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,039
line at the end of the chapter I guess, which

1021
01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:47,760
is Carl's assumption, which we don't know is correct. But

1022
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,360
it's just very funny because Jeff is coming to a

1023
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:56,000
conclusion that literally never occurred to me. And I had

1024
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,559
this happen recently covering True Blood with Miles, where he

1025
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:02,320
drew a conclusion that I was just like, where did

1026
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,360
you get that from? And there was no reason not

1027
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,440
to draw that conclusion. It was just something that had

1028
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:11,119
never I just never thought of. And in that case,

1029
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:13,360
I had already seen, like I've seen True Blood, so

1030
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,559
I knew he was wrong. But it was startling to

1031
01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:19,840
see how different assumptions can be when you don't have

1032
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:24,239
certain context. But in this case, we have the same context,

1033
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,119
or you may have more if you've read ahead, so

1034
01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:29,199
I don't know. But yeah, that was just definitely not

1035
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,559
how I took it at all. If it were about

1036
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:36,280
her being afraid of Lena, she would take a very

1037
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,519
different tone. I think she would have a really really

1038
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,639
different approach in trying to convince Carl, and this felt

1039
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:47,159
much more concern to him, coming from a place of

1040
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:52,000
real affection and fear in a broader way, you know.

1041
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,039
And part of what's going on in this chapter is

1042
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,480
Carl being worried about the effect everything's going to have

1043
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,760
on Donut, And like the last section, he protected her

1044
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,920
and told her everything went super easy.

1045
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:03,239
Speaker 2: On my end.

1046
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:08,239
Speaker 1: So he's trying to shield her and she is trying

1047
01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:18,439
to shield him. But anyway, I really like this necklace

1048
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,840
thing has got me because I don't want Carl to

1049
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,319
use it and the fact that he still got it

1050
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:23,800
and he.

1051
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 2: I don't think he would.

1052
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,399
Speaker 1: I think it's too risky, but the fact that it's

1053
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,760
on him, I don't know, it's got me preoccupied. Anyway,

1054
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:33,560
I'm way over time.

1055
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,199
Speaker 2: I got a wrap.

1056
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:36,279
Speaker 1: But thank you guys, so again, so much for hanging

1057
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:39,840
out with me, and thank you Michael for commissioning this one.

1058
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:42,199
Having a lot of fun. Can't wait for the next

1059
01:08:42,199 --> 01:09:15,199
one until then to the Loo, motherfuckers. That was an

1060
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,159
unspoiled network past