Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What? What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. Our guest today is Heather
Speaker 2: l Arnold, the researcher and owner of Ancient Aruba Tours
Speaker 2: and the author of Forthcoming of the Forthcoming, The Islands
Speaker 2: of the Giants, the Lost Race of Giants of Aruba,
Speaker 2: can Boner and Corocco. I'm saying that correctly. I screw
Speaker 2: that up a serious universe. A Syracuse University graduate and
Speaker 2: former TV industry professional, Heather has spent the past several
Speaker 2: years combining colonial archives archaeological reports in the caves of
Speaker 2: the ABC Islands for evidence of a long forgotten race
Speaker 2: of elongated skull giants. And she's here to share what
Speaker 2: she's uncovered. But before we get to her, we will
Speaker 2: talk to the other rejects and introduce them first. Heidi.
Speaker 2: We got Heidi Love Unfiltered Rise Podcast, The Morman Slayer.
Speaker 2: What is going on?
Speaker 3: Not much?
Speaker 4: Not much.
Speaker 5: I'm so happy to be here, especially with friends.
Speaker 6: I love it. It's gonna be awesome, Heather. I'm so
Speaker 6: excited to hear from you. So I'm excited for this show.
Speaker 6: And find me at the Unfiltered Rise Everywhere podcasts are served.
Speaker 2: Awesome and thank you so much. Ready and now next
Speaker 2: week got Julia from Cosmic Peach. What is going on?
Speaker 4: Julia?
Speaker 7: Hey, Nick, thanks for having me. I'm really excited about
Speaker 7: this one. It's one of my favorite subjects to talk about.
Speaker 7: And thanks for allowing me to be a part of
Speaker 7: the Occult Reject so I can meet awesome guests like
Speaker 7: this because this subject is definitely, like I said, one
Speaker 7: of my absolute fav topics. So excited for the show.
Speaker 7: Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you listen to podcasts and yeah,
Speaker 7: that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thank you for joining us, Julia, and I
Speaker 2: assume like when I have top notch researches with me
Speaker 2: on the show, I got to bring the heat good guests,
Speaker 2: so you know it works out. Yeah, thank you. And
Speaker 2: we got Tim Constantine joining us today. Very exciting. I'm
Speaker 2: very happy he made it with us from sixth Censory Podcasts.
Speaker 2: Please Tim, let everybody know where they can find your
Speaker 2: amazing work.
Speaker 1: Hey Nick, thanks for having me.
Speaker 8: Always good to be here on the show.
Speaker 2: I love this show.
Speaker 8: I love being a part of it.
Speaker 2: Hell yoh, thank you, thank you, thank you for real.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can find me at sixth Sensory Podcast I
Speaker 8: spell it Out six Spotify, YouTube, Patreon and some other places.
Speaker 1: And uh, Heather Arnold, thanks for being here.
Speaker 8: I love your work and like I told you before,
Speaker 8: but I also love your energy, so I'm really looking
Speaker 8: forward to this.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you man, thanks for joining us, Tim,
Speaker 2: and finally to Heather. Please, Heather, let everybody know like
Speaker 2: what you would like to plug, where they can find
Speaker 2: you or whatever you'd like to promote.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. It's
Speaker 1: great meeting all of you. It's nice to have this format.
Speaker 1: I don't believe I've ever had this many people on
Speaker 1: a podcast before before, so I kind of I like
Speaker 1: it because it'll be something new for me. I am.
Speaker 1: I have been here now all together for eight years.
Speaker 1: I have been studying the giants, however, for now going
Speaker 1: on it has to be eighteen years. I have an
Speaker 1: amazing daughter who is half a Ruben and half American,
Speaker 1: and I currently do tours following in the footsteps of
Speaker 1: the giants called Ancient Aruba tours. They'refore our private tours.
Speaker 1: So if you're ever in Aruba, you can contact me
Speaker 1: through social media. I have My exicot is Heather l Arnold,
Speaker 1: my Facebook is Heather l Arnold, and my Instagram is
Speaker 1: Heather l Arnold. So you can find me on all
Speaker 1: three of those platforms and you can contact me there
Speaker 1: via a private message and we can arrange tours. I've
Speaker 1: done many tours with people that have seen my podcast
Speaker 1: on x and see my podcast on YouTube and et cetera.
Speaker 1: So if you're ever in Aruba, or you know someone
Speaker 1: coming to a Aruba and they're very interested in archaeological tours,
Speaker 1: I don't just do the sites of the Giants. I
Speaker 1: also show other strange, bizarre, sometimes creepy sites that I
Speaker 1: have to do with death and burials and things of
Speaker 1: that nature that no tour will take you to. So
Speaker 1: and I would love to say it here, but if
Speaker 1: I say it and then some other tour company hears me,
Speaker 1: they're gonna take all of my tour stops. But it
Speaker 1: it's an excellent tour and if anyone would like to
Speaker 1: join me for a private tour, police feel free. Also,
Speaker 1: I am currently writing my book The Islands of the Giants,
Speaker 1: The Lost Race of Giants of Aruba, Boner and Cira
Speaker 1: South And if you follow me on my social media.
Speaker 1: Then you'll know more about my writings. And I look
Speaker 1: forward to seeing you in Aruba and telling you about
Speaker 1: the giants.
Speaker 2: Awesome, that's good for you. That's some crazy stuff. So
Speaker 2: I guess I like to get into it. What was
Speaker 2: it that got into giants studying this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. So I came to Aruba
Speaker 1: and I was here on a vacation, and I started
Speaker 1: doing some hikes and looking at the petroglyphs and the
Speaker 1: pictographs here, and I noticed something very strange, and that's
Speaker 1: that they were similar to drawings that are seen all
Speaker 1: over the world and including out west, including in Europe,
Speaker 1: South America, even so ones on Easter Island so far
Speaker 1: away Japan even has similar drawings. And so that struck
Speaker 1: me as odd. And then I tried to delve into
Speaker 1: the history that is taught to the kids here in
Speaker 1: school about Aruba, what is the ancient history, And they
Speaker 1: don't really go into much ancient history. They kind of
Speaker 1: start the history at the time the Vespucci came to
Speaker 1: the island, which is where I then started my to
Speaker 1: do my research. So it's interesting because they say, like
Speaker 1: Aruba was founded in fourteen ninety nine, which is when
Speaker 1: Vespucci first set foot on this island with several of
Speaker 1: his men, after he took a ship here from the
Speaker 1: mainland of what is now Venezuela. We are currently sixteen
Speaker 1: miles by the way off the coast of Venezuela, so
Speaker 1: I can actually see Venezuela from here. And so once
Speaker 1: I began to realize that why is there no history
Speaker 1: before Vespucci came? It doesn't even make sense. And then
Speaker 1: I realized that the kids in school are taught that
Speaker 1: Aruba was called the useless Island because it's so arid.
Speaker 1: It's a desert island. You can't grow anything here, you
Speaker 1: can't have livestock. Of course that's changed and there have
Speaker 1: been methods to change that, but at the time that
Speaker 1: was the name, which I thought was very odd, because
Speaker 1: Aruba has gold, and a lot of gold, some of
Speaker 1: the most gold of anywhere in the Caribbean, and other
Speaker 1: not just gold, semi precious stones are found here, crystals.
Speaker 1: There's a whole mountain called Crystal Mountain here that's been
Speaker 1: raped in pillaged, sadly, but nonetheless you can still find
Speaker 1: some gems if you look around. And so then I said, no,
Speaker 1: there's got to be something hidden, There's something going on.
Speaker 1: Why are they calling it the useless island? Why was
Speaker 1: Vespucci so infested to come to this little, tiny island.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense, especially when you're already in South America.
Speaker 1: Why why are you coming up to these islands? And
Speaker 1: so then as I did more and more research, I
Speaker 1: started with Vespucci and I started reading his letters that
Speaker 1: he wrote after he first came to Aruba, and there
Speaker 1: is where he tells that he details in details, specific
Speaker 1: detail of all the places he's visiting on his journey,
Speaker 1: and he's very specific in his descriptions. He is he
Speaker 1: takes with him on his journey, by the way, top scientists, philosophers, uh, doctors,
Speaker 1: people who are experts in flora and fauna, people who
Speaker 1: would we we would consider today anthropologists. So he's he's
Speaker 1: considering these also research missions, you know, not just probably
Speaker 1: looking for treasure, which of course he most likely one
Speaker 1: hundred percent was, but also trying to report back about
Speaker 1: these all these strange cultures he's coming across that are
Speaker 1: so foreign to the Europeans at that time, and he
Speaker 1: had just left an island incidentally, in his writings. You
Speaker 1: can actually get this book. It's called Letters from the
Speaker 1: New World. And he had just left an island where
Speaker 1: he saw it's off the coast of Venezuela closer actually yes,
Speaker 1: it's actually closer to Colombia. And he had seen a
Speaker 1: human being spun around on a spit over a fire,
Speaker 1: being prepared to be eaten, and he details it very much.
Speaker 1: So he details what people are eating, where people are wearing,
Speaker 1: what they are even their their sexual practices. He's very
Speaker 1: involved in detailing these people and so he does. He
Speaker 1: details that and then the next thing, the next place
Speaker 1: he goes is Aruba, so he and interestingly after his
Speaker 1: encounter with the giants, he encountered the giants in Aruba,
Speaker 1: and he details it. But after that encounter he said
Speaker 1: that he thought he was going to die the day
Speaker 1: he met the giants, because that's how big they were, informidable.
Speaker 1: And yet he had just come from an island where
Speaker 1: someone was being a human was being cooked over a
Speaker 1: fire on a spit, but that he wasn't nervous about that,
Speaker 1: but the giants really really scared him. And he details
Speaker 1: in grape depth about coming to the island from mainland Venezuela, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, for a backstory, which would be a
Speaker 1: whole wonderful, amazing book if I had the time. Columbus
Speaker 1: was actually the first person to hear about Aruba. He
Speaker 1: heard about Aruba from the mainland Arawak, from Venezuela, and
Speaker 1: they told Columbus that there was gold in Aruba and
Speaker 1: that there were giants. So when he went back to Europe,
Speaker 1: Columbus he told the Medici brothers, they were the ones
Speaker 1: financing all of these journeys. Oh, you know, next time,
Speaker 1: we're going to go to Aruba and we're gonna They're okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to have a little problem with giants, but
Speaker 1: there's gold there. And so what America Vespucci did is
Speaker 1: he married one of the Medici daughters and basically framed
Speaker 1: Columbus and said he embezzled money from them, and he
Speaker 1: and Margo Vespucci was awarded the permit to come to
Speaker 1: the New World. So he was he actually, you know
Speaker 1: that you have to think about what went on there,
Speaker 1: but that could be a whole other book and a
Speaker 1: whole drama in and of itself to something interesting.
Speaker 2: You said the Medici family, correct, Sorry to interrupt, you
Speaker 2: said the Medici family. I'm sorry you said the Medici
Speaker 2: is correct. Yes, I just recently had covered a Marsilio Ficino.
Speaker 2: He was kind of like a I mean, I would
Speaker 2: say he's gonna cult this an alchemist and he was
Speaker 2: also a Catholic priest at one point, and he the
Speaker 2: only reason he got to where he was going is
Speaker 2: because of the Medici family funded him. His father worked
Speaker 2: for the Medici family, so he was able to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, they gave him money to open up school
Speaker 2: and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting. You know, there's still powerful to this day,
Speaker 1: there's still an active family. There's still powerful with one
Speaker 1: of the wealthiest families ever on earth in modern times. Yes,
Speaker 1: so they So when Vespucci came, he came to he
Speaker 1: had a smaller ship. He left the bigger ship over
Speaker 1: in the mainland of South America and came over to
Speaker 1: Aruba and immediately noticed footprints in the sand, giant footprints
Speaker 1: in the sand. And of course the men were intrigued.
Speaker 1: They already had heard that there were giants on the island.
Speaker 1: The people on the mainland told him that there were giants,
Speaker 1: but they were generally peaceful unless they felt threatened, and
Speaker 1: then they were not peaceful anymore. And he also heard,
Speaker 1: interestingly that they worshiped the sun, which is very interesting,
Speaker 1: and so he came over. He sees the footprints, and
Speaker 1: he and the team they start to follow the footprints
Speaker 1: and they come across these women, and there is an
Speaker 1: older woman and what looks like a mother, and then
Speaker 1: two teenage girls. And the men are shocked at the
Speaker 1: size of even the teenage girls. He describes them as giants,
Speaker 1: that they were naked, that they seemed wild, they couldn't speak.
Speaker 1: They were drinking brackish water, which is interesting because if
Speaker 1: you live in a place like a Ruba, drinking brackish
Speaker 1: water is probably one of the smartest things you can
Speaker 1: do because you're losing so much salt constantly in this
Speaker 1: tremendous heat. So he then follows the women and the
Speaker 1: girls into their village and so they have this full
Speaker 1: blown village, which I know exactly where Vespucci came in
Speaker 1: on the island. I know exactly where the village was.
Speaker 1: I know there's pottery still there, most advanced pottery I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. And I could go on
Speaker 1: about that site. That site is just incredible and so
Speaker 1: then he's the men are like, okay, let's steal the
Speaker 1: two teenage girls and bring them back to Europe because
Speaker 1: they're so you know, they're giants, they're giant girls. So
Speaker 1: as they're coming up with this plan, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: thirty six men come into the camp and they have
Speaker 1: these massive weapons, weapons so large. He goes on to
Speaker 1: describe them and says, I can't I wouldn't even be
Speaker 1: able to hold them, to carry them, to pick them
Speaker 1: up myself. They're trying to imagine what could these weapons
Speaker 1: even before what were they doing. And the men were
Speaker 1: so large, he said, even if they were kneeling and
Speaker 1: I were standing, they would still be taller than me.
Speaker 1: So they immediately abort mission on stealing the girls, and
Speaker 1: they decide to just go back to the boat. They're
Speaker 1: so terrified they don't want to do more any further.
Speaker 1: They forgot about the gold. So as they're going back
Speaker 1: to the ship, right behind them are the giants. And
Speaker 1: the giants are so tall that even when the men
Speaker 1: get back on the ship, they're still walking in the water.
Speaker 1: The giants are still walking in the water and above
Speaker 1: the water because they're so tall. So Vespucci gets so
Speaker 1: freaked out he orders his men to shoot off cannons
Speaker 1: to scare them, and that was the only way they retreated.
Speaker 1: And at the end of this letter he's writing, he says,
Speaker 1: so I call this island the Islands of the Giants
Speaker 1: due to the large statued people who live there. And
Speaker 1: so that was the beginning of me realizing, wow, this
Speaker 1: this was called the island of the giants. So then
Speaker 1: I found a map from fifteen o two cawed. The
Speaker 1: map is Mundi and it's by one de la Cosa,
Speaker 1: and on the map it actually has Aruba noted as
Speaker 1: the island of the giants. And so the giants weren't
Speaker 1: just here in Aruba, though, they were also in Bonaire
Speaker 1: and Curasau, which are all three islands were one island
Speaker 1: that were torn apart by a series of three mega
Speaker 1: tsunamis starting in five hundred BC to thirty five hundred BC.
Speaker 1: And so these mega tsunamis geologically show that the islands
Speaker 1: were once one and now are consequently three different islands.
Speaker 1: And so these giants were on all three islands. They
Speaker 1: had elongated skulls, massive bodies, massive bones, big teeth, They
Speaker 1: were big people. They were not skinny people, and they
Speaker 1: were not like NBA players. They were very large, heavy people.
Speaker 1: Their bones are much thicker than ours. Their teeth were
Speaker 1: different than ours. They had shovel shaped teeth. Their heads
Speaker 1: were naturally elongated, as proven in the archaeological reports, because
Speaker 1: not only did they find a fetus that had an
Speaker 1: elongated skull, and it takes at least six months to
Speaker 1: make a fetus elongated. If the fetus does not is
Speaker 1: not born with an elongated skull, if you're just doing
Speaker 1: head binding, the headboarding and all that, you would have
Speaker 1: to wait six months for the skull to form into
Speaker 1: that egg shape for example. But this fetus already had
Speaker 1: an elongated skull and there was no evidence of head
Speaker 1: binding had with the headboards. No, the archaeologists were searching
Speaker 1: for it. They wanted they wanted to find evidence that
Speaker 1: this wasn't a natural occurrence because they couldn't believe these
Speaker 1: people were born with elongated skulls. They had very very
Speaker 1: complex rituals of death. Their their their rituals of death
Speaker 1: to me far exceed their rituals of life. I think
Speaker 1: they solely focused on the afterlife. And yeah, they have
Speaker 1: tons of evidence still here right in front of our faces.
Speaker 1: People will be on a beach and not realize they're
Speaker 1: right behind a median burial ground with like hundreds of
Speaker 1: bodies of giants through still in the ground, which is
Speaker 1: even more incredible. And there's actually even a giant skeleton
Speaker 1: on display on the island of Bonair in their archaeology
Speaker 1: museum right now to this day. I just recently saw
Speaker 1: it a year ago. I tried to check up on
Speaker 1: it every now and then, and the government admits it
Speaker 1: was a giant. So that's how I got into the giants.
Speaker 1: It drew me in just from learning about the history
Speaker 1: of Aruba, putting together a tour company, which I had
Speaker 1: another tour company before that was more Jeeps and Harley Davidson's,
Speaker 1: and through that tour company and trying to put together
Speaker 1: an accurate tour is when I just came across all
Speaker 1: this information. And the more I unraveled a mystery, another
Speaker 1: mystery occurred, and another mystery occurred, and it got me
Speaker 1: so intrigued and wondering, you know, what more is it
Speaker 1: to about the giants, about their rituals and their burials,
Speaker 1: and to know that even though the giants were here
Speaker 1: probably about seven five thousand to seven thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: They still left a lot of evidence on these islands
Speaker 1: that is still you can still uncover and explore and
Speaker 1: learn about.
Speaker 7: Was there some kind of an extinction event, like what
Speaker 7: happened like what happened to the giants?
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. So in two thousand and
Speaker 1: two there was a report done by geneticists here on
Speaker 1: the island where they chose only certain people to test.
Speaker 1: And these people had to because a group, it is
Speaker 1: a very our place. They didn't have a large slave presence,
Speaker 1: so there weren't a lot of genetic people with different
Speaker 1: genomes coming in and mixing with the population. This is
Speaker 1: a very closed island in that sense, so the genetics
Speaker 1: of the people are pretty intactoo when they were basically
Speaker 1: here before amergo Vespucci. So they did an analysis of
Speaker 1: people who only had from going back to their great
Speaker 1: great great grandmother. No one could have left the island.
Speaker 1: Everyone had to be on the island have all Reuben heritage,
Speaker 1: and so they came up with a pretty good sample
Speaker 1: size of people and they tested their genetics and they
Speaker 1: found that they had an ad mixture of an ancient
Speaker 1: DNA that they could not specifically attach to any one
Speaker 1: group of people, and it was the conclusion of the
Speaker 1: geneticist that this was the basically the genetics of the giants,
Speaker 1: of this archaic race of people that were here before
Speaker 1: more mainland people from Venezuela than eventually came over. And
Speaker 1: so what this means and what I've determined, and I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty much accurate, is that the giants began
Speaker 1: to die out. There's a berthing chamber not far from
Speaker 1: here of where the giants were giving birth, and you
Speaker 1: can see on the wall the ticks of how many
Speaker 1: births they had, and they didn't have a lot of berths.
Speaker 1: I think because they were giants having babies. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of complications involved with giants having babies,
Speaker 1: and they were clearly the dominant, elite class of people
Speaker 1: ruling on the island. I think eventually what happened was
Speaker 1: they were dying out and they began to breed with
Speaker 1: the average statuted people on the island who had a
Speaker 1: later period, people who had come from Venezuela, Colombia, the
Speaker 1: northern coastline of South America. And because of that, that
Speaker 1: is why I believe the ancient DNA is still alive
Speaker 1: in the people because it was a matter of survival.
Speaker 1: They rather than die out, they just made it themselves
Speaker 1: out and then became average statue. But you can still
Speaker 1: talk to people on the island who will tell you
Speaker 1: about uncles from a long time ago who were giants.
Speaker 1: There were huge people, and they have big hands and
Speaker 1: big jaws, and everything about them was big. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, one of my friends told me a
Speaker 1: story about a great uncle she had who was a boxer.
Speaker 1: He was so big. He was a boxer in South America,
Speaker 1: and he was so powerful he ended up killing someone
Speaker 1: in the ring and they couldn't let him box anymore,
Speaker 1: and she swore he was a giant. And you'll hear
Speaker 1: stories about people from people here who are a real
Speaker 1: old time of Rubens, who tell you the stories about
Speaker 1: how they had this one person in their family who
Speaker 1: was just massive. So maybe there was some genetic recall
Speaker 1: that occurred and the giant came out more predominantly. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's pretty interesting. So I think that's
Speaker 1: what happened to the giants. I think it makes the
Speaker 1: most sense.
Speaker 5: Was there a birthing area shaped like a honeycomb.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Well, I guess you could say that because
Speaker 1: it's in a cave system. I'm actually looking right at
Speaker 1: the cave system. It's a cave system with many caves.
Speaker 1: Each cave had a specific function. One cave had burials,
Speaker 1: and the burials were very bizarre. There was a giant
Speaker 1: in the middle of the burial, and then the rest
Speaker 1: of the people were like spokes in a wheel coming out.
Speaker 1: You'll also see that type of description of a burial
Speaker 1: from the mounds. I know you have spoken, I believe
Speaker 1: to Gregory Little, and he also has mentioned in some
Speaker 1: of these mounds they found remains of giants and they
Speaker 1: were buried like spokes in a wheel, with one central
Speaker 1: burial that occurs there. Then you have one part of
Speaker 1: the key where they were actually living. You can see
Speaker 1: those oyster shells and conch shells and all extinct fossils
Speaker 1: of shell life that wasn't no longer exist but did
Speaker 1: at the time of the giants. And then you'll see
Speaker 1: a couple of caves with drawings, all sorts of drawings,
Speaker 1: and in those caves are just drawings. And then in
Speaker 1: the birthing chamber it's just the birthing chamber. So you'll
Speaker 1: see there's a drawing of a mother and she, excuse me,
Speaker 1: she has a veil, and she has a baby in
Speaker 1: her stomach, and she there's a cup mark cut out
Speaker 1: of the stone of the limestone of where her belly
Speaker 1: button would be, which and also of her eye, and
Speaker 1: then next to her are all these slashes. And due
Speaker 1: to the analysis of that one specific petroglyph of this
Speaker 1: veiled woman with the baby, I found a report done
Speaker 1: by Harvard in nineteen seventy one who came to these
Speaker 1: caves to look at them. They were actually studying the
Speaker 1: extinct shell life that they had found in the one
Speaker 1: cave that was being habitated by the giants, and they
Speaker 1: recognized this petrock glyph as being something that's found worldwide,
Speaker 1: and so they immediately called it the pregnant mother glyph.
Speaker 1: And after I researched that further, I found that there's
Speaker 1: drawings of this pregnant woman globally, including as far away
Speaker 1: as Japan. So so to me, I think it's one percent
Speaker 1: of burial chamber. It makes sense. It's secluded, it's hard
Speaker 1: to get to. It was a matriarchal society, as well.
Speaker 1: So I think that they were very protective of their
Speaker 1: their births, especially if this is an elite class. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they had a lot of enemies. So so you
Speaker 1: could say that it was like a honeycomb because it
Speaker 1: is in a cave system, and are all parts of
Speaker 1: the cave that you can go around and crawl through.
Speaker 6: It's very I know this is random, but is there
Speaker 6: any pictures of Pazuzu in that room?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Like any deities, Like any deities.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the closest thing to understanding what the drug.
Speaker 1: Most of them are geometric patterns. To be honest, there's
Speaker 1: nothing that she is the only specific like you can
Speaker 1: tell she's a human or human like and and she's
Speaker 1: you could right away you could tell it's a it's
Speaker 1: a human like form. But other than that, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of geometric patterns. Nothing that you could specifically say
Speaker 1: is a figure or something that you can attribute to
Speaker 1: another type of drunk. It's kind of geometric patterns which
Speaker 1: you've probably seen globally as well. It's kind of that
Speaker 1: repetitive geometric patterns of the swatsticker, but the old right
Speaker 1: way of the drawing and then a lot of dots,
Speaker 1: and you know, things like of that nature, diamond shapes,
Speaker 1: wavy lines, things like that type of thing. It's a
Speaker 1: a rather complex petroglyphs site. And sadly, since I've been
Speaker 1: going there, now a lot of tours go there. I
Speaker 1: don't take tours there because it's such a dangerous hike.
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't even believe tours go there. I
Speaker 1: would not want that liability. But they take tours up there,
Speaker 1: and now everyone breathing and everything now has degraded the
Speaker 1: quality of the drawings, which is really a shame. And
Speaker 1: now someone has begun amateur excavating in the caves I
Speaker 1: guess looking for giants.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then there's some like some like voodoo going on
Speaker 1: in there, and so it's like it's just very very sad.
Speaker 1: So I'm yees, it's yeah, Ruba doesn't protect it. There's
Speaker 1: nothing I can do. And so that's that's gonna inevitably
Speaker 1: happen to sites that are protected. Sadly.
Speaker 4: I have a quick question. Do you know about the
Speaker 4: Patagonian giants that were reported by European explorers for like
Speaker 4: three hundred years of interactions? Would these giants be in
Speaker 4: any way related to them, or is there sort of
Speaker 4: a network between these different civilizations.
Speaker 1: That's a great question because you know the proximity. We're
Speaker 1: right by South America. I always tend to think, like
Speaker 1: I think all of the giants might have had some
Speaker 1: sort of genetic connection. I mean, they were just so strange.
Speaker 1: A lot of them had red hair. The giants here,
Speaker 1: the archaeological reports show, were light skin and light hair.
Speaker 1: They were not Native American. And that's a pattern. You
Speaker 1: find a lot with these giants that they're not their
Speaker 1: kind of light skin, light hair. I believe the Patagonian
Speaker 1: giants were worth the same, even Darwin. Charles Darwin met
Speaker 1: with the Patagonian giants, and that's why people it's so frustrating.
Speaker 1: People say, why is there a suppression of the giants
Speaker 1: and I you know, and people always say, oh, it's
Speaker 1: because of Darwinism, you know Charles. Now everyone's a Charles
Speaker 1: Darwin fan trying to protect Charles Darwin. I mean, it
Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense because Charles Darwin writes about I've
Speaker 1: read his writings. He writes about the Patagonian giants, and
Speaker 1: he is amazed that the genetics of the giants and
Speaker 1: how it seems to be a whole different race of
Speaker 1: people different from homo sapien sapien, and so he's mystified
Speaker 1: by it and he accepts it, and that's something that
Speaker 1: he was intrigued by. It was one of the most
Speaker 1: fascinating parts, he said, of his research with studying the giants.
Speaker 1: So it's clearly not anything to do with, you know,
Speaker 1: standing for Charles Darwin. But I think for sure there
Speaker 1: in my mind there has to be some sort of
Speaker 1: genetic connection because they're all contemporaneous to one another. So
Speaker 1: to me, I think they were they were connected, but
Speaker 1: I don't have any proof, but just a hunch based
Speaker 1: off of my knowledge.
Speaker 8: I think they were definitely connected. I mean, I'm looking
Speaker 8: at you, said, Vespucci came to your island in fourteen
Speaker 8: ninety nine, and in my research, I found that these
Speaker 8: giants were like pretty much all up and down the
Speaker 8: coast there of South America. I've got a list here.
Speaker 8: This is from an episode I never put out, so
Speaker 8: I just pulled it up. But it's like Pigafetta was
Speaker 8: in the fifteen twenties, he recorded a giant Magellan same
Speaker 8: time period recorded a giant Sebastian Munster fifteen forty four,
Speaker 8: recorded one Thomas Cavendish fifteen eighty seven, Subalt de Wert
Speaker 8: fifteen sixty seven. And it just the list just keeps
Speaker 8: going on and then and even into the seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 8: Even the speaking of Darwin. The people who really really
Speaker 8: pushed for Darwin the most, the Royal Society, the British
Speaker 8: Rule Society. They even said that, you know, the existence
Speaker 8: of giant it is confirmed in like a seventeen sixty
Speaker 8: six paper that they published. So it was all on
Speaker 8: that coast. There's got to be a connection. But I
Speaker 8: think you're definitely in a honeypot there. I think those
Speaker 8: islands there is like I don't know, like there's a
Speaker 8: book called History and Conquest of Mexico that deals with
Speaker 8: your area of the world because they came through there.
Speaker 8: I'm sure you know about that, Yes, yes, but what
Speaker 8: about other islands nearby? Is there like untapped giant research
Speaker 8: to be done?
Speaker 1: Yes, And I just started doing that. It's almost overwhelming.
Speaker 1: So I just came across the paper last week, I
Speaker 1: think it was last week or a week and a
Speaker 1: half ago, of these different figures found all across the Caribbean,
Speaker 1: and the most fascinating figurines are from Martinique and Saint Lucia.
Speaker 1: We also have very strange figurines here, I mean very strange,
Speaker 1: with three fingers and strange eyes. They don't appear to
Speaker 1: be human, but they're human like they have like they're
Speaker 1: they're in a kneeling position. Yes, it's right, exactly. That's
Speaker 1: when I saw those those mummies. It's a and you
Speaker 1: know Peru is not far from here. I mean when
Speaker 1: I saw those mummies, I was like, my god, the
Speaker 1: statues here all have three fingers. I mean it just
Speaker 1: was like, now the story is getting even crazy or crazier,
Speaker 1: like it just doesn't stop at giants. You know, there
Speaker 1: were it was a genetic soup here and yeah, so
Speaker 1: now I came across all these pictures in the archaeological
Speaker 1: record of what I've been to Easter Island that they
Speaker 1: look like moi, I mean elongated skulls. They have their
Speaker 1: hands in the same position, which is, you know, on
Speaker 1: their bellies. It's interesting. One of the figurines almost looks Olmec,
Speaker 1: which is very strange, and another has a hump on
Speaker 1: its back, which is quite interesting because the prime the
Speaker 1: most prominent burial in one of the largest Caribbean ancient cemeteries,
Speaker 1: which is here in Aruba. It's called Melmuk. It's the
Speaker 1: Malmuk Cemetery. It's a protected area, thank goodness. But it's
Speaker 1: filled with shell middens with ancient bodies in them that
Speaker 1: during the pandemic that were just leveled and big mansions
Speaker 1: built there. So sadly no one is maintaining these sites
Speaker 1: and they're slowly being to destroyed. But the central burial
Speaker 1: is a female and she's also considered the oldest one
Speaker 1: in the entire group of all the burials are only
Speaker 1: on Earth seventy two burials, but stopped there because they just,
Speaker 1: I guess ran out of funding or time or But
Speaker 1: there is hundreds of more bodies buried in that cemetery,
Speaker 1: and she was the most complex burial, so they determined
Speaker 1: her to be the leader of the entire tribe. And
Speaker 1: she also had a hump back. She had a hump
Speaker 1: on her back, and she was given the most elite
Speaker 1: burial with grave gifts and huge shells of sea turtles
Speaker 1: on her and she was elevated on a platform in
Speaker 1: the center of the entire cemetery, and so it was
Speaker 1: interesting to see this figurine in Saint Lucia that also
Speaker 1: had this hump back. So I wonder, now, you know,
Speaker 1: do the other islands also hold these secrets of the giants.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine them just staying here in Aruba, now
Speaker 1: in Bonaire end in Currousel, but I do know. And
Speaker 1: the archaeologist archaeologists have stated that there was a breakaway
Speaker 1: civilization of the giants in two and they moved to
Speaker 1: two locations. The one location was at the caves in Cuba,
Speaker 1: which I love to go to. They found the same
Speaker 1: type of burials with the central burial and then the
Speaker 1: other people like spokes in the wheel. Also, the giants
Speaker 1: were obsessed with Isosceles triangles, I mean crazy obsessed on
Speaker 1: their tools. Today you could still see they would etch
Speaker 1: in Isosceles triangles. Their burials were in the forms of
Speaker 1: Isosceles triangles. So when they went to these caves in Cuba,
Speaker 1: they saw the same thing, these burials in the shape
Speaker 1: of Isosceles triangles. And they also determined that the skeletons
Speaker 1: were the same with the elongated skull and the giant bones,
Speaker 1: and they found the same situation in Colombia, a small,
Speaker 1: small area of Columbia. So I think in the archaeologists
Speaker 1: believed these were two breakaway civilizations that started here and
Speaker 1: down here in a roof of bone, air cures out
Speaker 1: and then branched off to these other locations. But there's
Speaker 1: so much work to be done in these other Caribbean islands,
Speaker 1: and sadly, you know, there's not a lot of archaeology
Speaker 1: being done. There's a lot of the I mean, it's
Speaker 1: taken me years to amass all the archaeological reports, field notes,
Speaker 1: photographs of the giants, a lot of money, a lot
Speaker 1: of time I've had to go with. Interestingly, a lot
Speaker 1: of these archaeological reports are in medical libraries at universities,
Speaker 1: so which is quite interesting to me. I mean, why
Speaker 1: if these giants aren't real, why do you have books
Speaker 1: archaeological reports on the giants in a medical life, right,
Speaker 1: I've met of medical universities. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: So throwing people off the trail.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I think I think they want to
Speaker 1: educate people about the giants personally. I think they want
Speaker 1: them to know, yeah, look, there were giants too, you know.
Speaker 1: But the fact is like, I mean, why they're so
Speaker 1: hard to get these reports. I mean they're so hard
Speaker 1: and it's cost me money or in an amount of time.
Speaker 1: I think that now I'm way over one hundred archaeological reports.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, it's it's it's interesting that it's almost
Speaker 1: been Yeah, yeah, to throw people off the trail, for sure.
Speaker 1: But also I think to hide these things in plain
Speaker 1: sight as well. So I would love to do more
Speaker 1: research on the other islands and looking at their artifacts
Speaker 1: as the first step, but each island has such a
Speaker 1: complicated story, you know, with archaeology and how much you
Speaker 1: can research, and so then I'll my main focus will
Speaker 1: always be these three islands, and then I will always
Speaker 1: try to find more information on the other islands too
Speaker 1: as I can. But it's such a big job, and
Speaker 1: I believe I'm the only person in the Caribbean studying
Speaker 1: the giants, but through my research, I'm learning more about
Speaker 1: the other giants that or potential giants that existed in
Speaker 1: the islands as well.
Speaker 3: I have a question for you.
Speaker 7: So you do the tours, you live there, obviously you've
Speaker 7: been studying it for a very long time, but can
Speaker 7: you explain, like when you go to these sites. Is
Speaker 7: there a feeling like do you get any vibe? Like
Speaker 7: is it a dark feeling? Is it like a astounding
Speaker 7: kind of like, oh my god, these things were here
Speaker 7: and like I'm marking amongst like the remains of you
Speaker 7: know what, what does it feel like?
Speaker 3: Like, what's what's that like?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I have to tell you one of the
Speaker 1: sites that for sure is haunted. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the land is haunted. It's funny because now they're building
Speaker 1: a house in this one area that is I've had
Speaker 1: the craziest, spookiest like wig out like crazy, like I
Speaker 1: got to get out of here experience. I mean, really scary.
Speaker 1: You get really nervous, especially if you're by yourself. You know,
Speaker 1: you could get in your head. But it's a very
Speaker 1: strange feeling. And there's a couple of places generally associated
Speaker 1: with the caves. And there's this one area. I mean
Speaker 1: I was at the beach and there are these little
Speaker 1: beach huts set up, and I was the only person
Speaker 1: at the beach and I'm sitting there just relaxing. I'm
Speaker 1: not even listening to music, just looking at the water,
Speaker 1: and you know, and and all of a sudden I
Speaker 1: heard like a knocking on the side of the wall
Speaker 1: of the beach hut, and I was like, so I
Speaker 1: thought it was the wind, and then there was one
Speaker 1: on the other side, and then one on the other side.
Speaker 1: So I jump up. I'm running around and looking looking,
Speaker 1: but there's no one there. I mean, I'm in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. And then I would sit down, and
Speaker 1: then knocking would happen again, and then I'd get up
Speaker 1: and run around, and then it would go away, and
Speaker 1: then it was knocking on all sides. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, this place is haunted. And since then I
Speaker 1: have met many families in a Ruba, actually, and I
Speaker 1: interviewed a couple of them and recorded it who told
Speaker 1: me about that exact site and that they had they
Speaker 1: saw very tall ghosts, very tall shadows. They didn't even
Speaker 1: know anything about the giants, and they were just telling
Speaker 1: me the ghost encounters that they had had and that
Speaker 1: they were the first thing say, they were so tall,
Speaker 1: And I said, do you know this island was called
Speaker 1: the Islands of the Giants? You know that it was
Speaker 1: probably the ghost of the giants. And not far from
Speaker 1: there as a house that when I was moving here,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, it's such a beautiful home. I would
Speaker 1: love to rent it. And it came up when I
Speaker 1: was still living in New York. It came up for
Speaker 1: a rental and then it like it was rented right
Speaker 1: away because it was so cheap, which was another I
Speaker 1: was a wiceest house, so cheap, But then it went
Speaker 1: right back on the market, and then it went off
Speaker 1: the market. And so once I got here, I realized
Speaker 1: the problem was that the house is haunted, that that
Speaker 1: people were hearing babies crying and knocking and things were falling,
Speaker 1: and so they could never keep people in the house.
Speaker 1: And now it's totally abandoned, and next to it now
Speaker 1: they're starting to build a new house. And I said
Speaker 1: to my friend that that house isn't going to make
Speaker 1: it either, because it's the land that's haunted. It's not
Speaker 1: the house, it's the actual land. So there's that place.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, there's another cave that in that cave
Speaker 1: actually specifically also it's a height you have to climb
Speaker 1: up into the cave. All these caves are at the
Speaker 1: top of giant, giant limestone bluffs and you have to
Speaker 1: climb up them. It's very difficult and very dangerous. And
Speaker 1: as you're walking to go to begin your ascent, you
Speaker 1: feel someone behind you all the time. And the crazy
Speaker 1: part is I was meeting someone to start the hike
Speaker 1: and they were late, so I figured, well, I'll just
Speaker 1: go to the base of the cave and then just
Speaker 1: wait and then we'll walk together because it's dangerous and
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it alone in case one
Speaker 1: of us falls or I fall, and then I'll be
Speaker 1: stuck up there. So as I was walking, I kept
Speaker 1: sitting looking behind me, thanking, someone's behind me, Someone's behind me.
Speaker 1: And then my friend came and he said, and I said,
Speaker 1: did you feel like where? He said? It took me
Speaker 1: so long because I kept going back and thinking like
Speaker 1: someone was hiding behind me. And then a friend actually
Speaker 1: came from the Netherlands recently and he said, have you
Speaker 1: been to that cave? It's really creepy. Always feels like
Speaker 1: people watching you. And so, yeah, that cave is really
Speaker 1: weird because in that cave was found three burials of
Speaker 1: three females and two monkeys, and the monkeys, which are
Speaker 1: not indigenous to Aruba, were given elite burials, which is
Speaker 1: very strange, and by elpe burial basically what would happen.
Speaker 1: These people were obsessed with death. This was a massive
Speaker 1: culture of death because the cemetery where they eventually would
Speaker 1: bury all the bodies is most of the year covered
Speaker 1: with water, so it's only about a couple of maybe
Speaker 1: five weeks of the year that you can bury bodies
Speaker 1: in that cemetery. They so if you died in December,
Speaker 1: which is rainy season, I mean, what are you going
Speaker 1: to do? You're not going in that graveyard. So they would,
Speaker 1: I believe, And now studying cultures that are similar in
Speaker 1: proximity and culture to the ritual to the giants, I
Speaker 1: believe they kept the bodies out and let them be
Speaker 1: eaten by you know, animals such as like the PARSI
Speaker 1: do was there a tower of death when they put
Speaker 1: the bodies at the top and with the vultures in India,
Speaker 1: they let them eat the bodies. I think that's what happened,
Speaker 1: because after the body became skeletal, they would take were
Speaker 1: this island is filled with manganese and they would take
Speaker 1: the locally sourced manganese and make it into a paste
Speaker 1: and cover all the elongated part of the skull with
Speaker 1: this okra color and the monkeys also had this okra
Speaker 1: on their skulls. It was so crazy. They were so
Speaker 1: these monkeys were giving like these elite barrows with these
Speaker 1: three women. One was like an older woman, like a
Speaker 1: mother maybe, and then the two were younger females. And
Speaker 1: it's believed because it's a matriarchal society, and if they
Speaker 1: were a shaman, for example, they probably couldn't be around men,
Speaker 1: and perhaps they were training the monkeys to assist them.
Speaker 1: I've been to India and if you go to Kudurajo
Speaker 1: on the temples in India, you will see the devadasis,
Speaker 1: the Deva dassis where the holy women. They were women
Speaker 1: that only the priests could interact with. They couldn't be
Speaker 1: around men. They had to be chased, chase chaste, and
Speaker 1: they the only thing that could assist them were these
Speaker 1: trained monkeys. And you'll see on the reliefs on these
Speaker 1: temples the women are getting like the ready to do
Speaker 1: a dance or ritual dance, but they're putting on their
Speaker 1: makeup and the monkey will be holding like a palette
Speaker 1: of makeup or a makeup brush, or helping them put
Speaker 1: bells on their ankles. So I immediately and in ancient Egypt.
Speaker 1: It's the same. Also also in Peru, monkeys were used
Speaker 1: for the females to help them assist in their female
Speaker 1: duties because they couldn't really be seen by anyone else
Speaker 1: because there was everyone's so afraid someone would take their power,
Speaker 1: and so the monkey was really became a part of
Speaker 1: their family. There were there's actually another burial there also,
Speaker 1: so it could be there are three monkeys there, there
Speaker 1: were only female. They all are filled with okra. The
Speaker 1: entire opening of the cave is filled with opra. And
Speaker 1: I have pictures of this on my Instagram, on my Facebook,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I posted it on X and
Speaker 1: you'll see the entire front of the cave it's just red,
Speaker 1: this red okra. It's also a summer solstice marker. On
Speaker 1: the summer solstice morning, the sun will come up and
Speaker 1: shine of its light right on the main grave, the
Speaker 1: main burial of the central female. And it was there
Speaker 1: where she was with a monkey as well. So that's
Speaker 1: another eerie place. And then we've also been photos when
Speaker 1: I've gotten home and looked at my phots, strange lights,
Speaker 1: strange orbs, orbs that look like bar codes, orbs that
Speaker 1: like are rainbow orbs, but in a circle. Very strange.
Speaker 1: I've never experienced that, and I've been to very strange places,
Speaker 1: for example, like the megalithic chambers of New York and
Speaker 1: New England, which have very strange, strange things going on
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, I've had all my equipment during
Speaker 1: their batteries drain, my phone, dream, my watch stop. It's
Speaker 1: just very strange things. But the strangest stuff I've had
Speaker 1: happen is here in Aruba.
Speaker 8: That's what Frince Zimmerman talks about with the paranormal activity
Speaker 8: connected to mounds.
Speaker 1: What about these caves though, you talked about these caves
Speaker 1: in Cuba.
Speaker 8: That's very interesting. I've heard there's tunnels from the caves
Speaker 8: in Cuba to Florida. Do you think you guys have
Speaker 8: those down there in Aruba?
Speaker 1: The tunnels to the very funny you say that, yes,
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact. Some of another creepy, weird story.
Speaker 1: So there is in the National Park there's a cave
Speaker 1: that I've been dying to go to, but it's a
Speaker 1: privately owned cave. So anyone who owned property was in
Speaker 1: the National Park before it became a national park, with
Speaker 1: grandfathered inn so they got to keep their land, and
Speaker 1: so a lot of people eventually ended up just selling
Speaker 1: it to the government because it's such a very difficult
Speaker 1: place to try to function. It's very remote, the dirt road,
Speaker 1: no water, no service, is nothing. So so eventually, but
Speaker 1: this cave still remains in private hands and it is closed.
Speaker 1: And this is called This cave incidentally is called the
Speaker 1: Tunnel of Love. And the story and it's in the newspapers.
Speaker 1: You can look it up. You have to do a
Speaker 1: lot of digging. I had the article, but I'll try
Speaker 1: to find it and post it. This cave was very
Speaker 1: strange because an entire boy Scout group went with a
Speaker 1: I believe was a Dutch researcher Aruba Bonarakure style part
Speaker 1: of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of the history is connected to the Dutch in terms
Speaker 1: of their investigations. And so they took a boy Scout
Speaker 1: group to the Tunnel of Love, which is called blue
Speaker 1: it's like the ancient name, but then they called the
Speaker 1: tunnel look. So anyway, they parked outside, they were in
Speaker 1: these school buses, and they all went in the cave
Speaker 1: and they never came out again. And they have in
Speaker 1: the in the report in the newspaper, just the school
Speaker 1: buses still lined up, and no one came out of
Speaker 1: the caves ever, and they never found them. They even
Speaker 1: had stre.
Speaker 3: Come on what yes, I have.
Speaker 1: To look up the article. It was in the local newspaper.
Speaker 3: Disappeared trace.
Speaker 1: The creepiest part is seeing just the school buses parked outside.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, why strange.
Speaker 1: So that cave has been closed ever since. So it
Speaker 1: is rumor that that cave goes all the way to Venezuela,
Speaker 1: that you can actually walk in that cave. Now, I
Speaker 1: told this story on a podcast and I used to
Speaker 1: date the head of my ex boy here is the
Speaker 1: head of archaeology here in Aruba. So just so you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff I tell you, he's told
Speaker 1: me but doesn't want to tell it himself because he's
Speaker 1: an archaeologist, so he doesn't want to taint his halo,
Speaker 1: so he put funnel information to me. And so now
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. So now he's telling us So he
Speaker 1: was on a punt. Now he's starting to do podcasts,
Speaker 1: but he does h'm locally okay, that's nice, But now
Speaker 1: he's using my information and acting like it's you know.
Speaker 1: So now he's telling people that that cave did go
Speaker 1: to Venezuela. So just recently he admitted that that cave
Speaker 1: went to Venezuela after everyone saying, no, that's a story,
Speaker 1: it's a myth. And then people started saying, well, what
Speaker 1: about the boy Scouts? Where did they go? What happened
Speaker 1: to the boy Scouts? I mean they didn't disappear. It
Speaker 1: could also be a portal. I mean, who knows, you know, I.
Speaker 7: Means, all right, that's another question I was going to
Speaker 7: ask you, Actually, you know it could be portal. But
Speaker 7: do you think that there are pockets of these let's
Speaker 7: just say, survivors that went underground?
Speaker 1: Do you think that too? Because okay, this is another
Speaker 1: crazy story, so an altar. I swear, I swear you
Speaker 1: could look it up. This is in the new This
Speaker 1: one's in the news. This one was on television here
Speaker 1: on the news. So there's a guy here who was
Speaker 1: a firefighter and he wanted to be in the Guinness
Speaker 1: Book of World Records. So right before the pandemic, I believe,
Speaker 1: and even I think, going into the pandemic, he went
Speaker 1: and lived in a cave. So he lived in this
Speaker 1: cave for one hundred days. And this cave is very complex,
Speaker 1: another complex with all these different rooms and stuff. But
Speaker 1: he was in one of the primary rooms because there
Speaker 1: was a hole so he could get oxygen. But the
Speaker 1: rest of it you would probably you know, lose oxygen
Speaker 1: very quickly. So at night he was obviously sleeping in
Speaker 1: the cave and there were people people posted outside to
Speaker 1: like make sure he wasn't cheating, essentially because he was
Speaker 1: trying to get into the Guinness Brooke of World Records.
Speaker 1: But I don't, I don't actually know what happened. Then
Speaker 1: there was some sort of controversy, but eventually he did
Speaker 1: not get into the Innisbrook of World Records. But when
Speaker 1: he came out, first of all, he looked horrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, it was all there was by
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean he looked like, I mean, he
Speaker 1: was a healthy guy, he was a firefighter. He came out,
Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like he looked like a ghost,
Speaker 1: to be honest. And he told the story, and I
Speaker 1: have it. I've actually posted about on my Facebook several
Speaker 1: times about his fighting every night with bigfoots, with these
Speaker 1: giant bigfoots that would come and like and he has
Speaker 1: a video of them, and he tried to get a
Speaker 1: video of them, and he had it was on the news.
Speaker 1: Here he it was like this creature. And they would
Speaker 1: take him to a room with other bigfoots where even
Speaker 1: though it was black, there was a light in the
Speaker 1: center and they would tell him messages like telepathically, like
Speaker 1: all these messages, and he kept saying, stop taking me.
Speaker 1: And there's like we were going to keep you. And
Speaker 1: they were threatened. They were they were quite aggressive. They
Speaker 1: wanted him to leave, especially, they wanted him out of
Speaker 1: the cave. So interestingly, there is a cave system, another
Speaker 1: cave system not far from there, of a series of
Speaker 1: three caves, and in every cave are these giant paintings ancient.
Speaker 1: They're they're been termined to be determined archaeologically to be
Speaker 1: archaic at least seven thousand years old of bigfoot, giant bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Well all this giant with their arms, you could see
Speaker 1: their hair. How they made this so and and and
Speaker 1: it's at the at the mouths of these three caves.
Speaker 1: So one of the bigfoot is reaching out trying to
Speaker 1: grab you. It's very It's another place with eerie, creepy feelings.
Speaker 1: You'll get a very strange, heavy feeling when you go
Speaker 1: to this cave. It's very it's nerve wracking, it's a
Speaker 1: strange place. It's protected by a giant beehive of killer bees.
Speaker 1: It's very strange. And all over lining all three of
Speaker 1: the caves are these giant paintings of these bigfoots, and
Speaker 1: I have photos of them on my social media, as
Speaker 1: well as a screenshot of the video that was shown
Speaker 1: on the news channel here of the video the man
Speaker 1: took when he was living in the cave of the
Speaker 1: strange Bigfoot. He was fighting every night. So I'm only
Speaker 1: I'm always wondering is there connection between the giants? Did
Speaker 1: they go into ground and become these like strange bolers.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's a very interesting correlation between
Speaker 1: him seeing these creatures and he didn't know about those caves.
Speaker 1: Most people in the room but don't know about the
Speaker 1: caves with the drawings of the bigfoots, which is good
Speaker 1: because you want to keep it that way. Because although
Speaker 1: it's in the National Park, last time I went, there's
Speaker 1: now graffiti on the walls, etc.
Speaker 8: So there's a case in Russia that I looked at
Speaker 8: it's called the Russian wood Goblins, and it's the same
Speaker 8: sort of thing.
Speaker 1: There's also portals too.
Speaker 8: Going back to that, but there's it's a weird section
Speaker 8: of Russia where they see these big foot like creatures.
Speaker 8: There's Dolmens in the area, and there's cases of missing time,
Speaker 8: and there's cases of people who go into a portal
Speaker 8: and don't return for twenty years. But you also have
Speaker 8: the bigfoot aspect of it too and the dolmens. But
Speaker 8: I was gonna ask you are there dolmens around?
Speaker 1: Yes, I found I've mapped now I think I'm up
Speaker 1: to thirteen on the island. A lot of them are
Speaker 1: on private property, so it's just depends on someone saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I think, or they don't even realize that
Speaker 1: they're always looking at this stone, and until I start
Speaker 1: posting things and they see my work, then they all
Speaker 1: of a sudden say, hey, I think I have a
Speaker 1: strange stone on my property too. So when since I've
Speaker 1: moved back here, I've been saying that people have been
Speaker 1: so gracious and invited me onto their property and allowed
Speaker 1: me to at least take photos. I don't say where
Speaker 1: the stones are, especially if it's private property. But I
Speaker 1: do have them mapped. I have them mapped on Google Earth.
Speaker 1: And incidentally, all of the balance stones and dolman we
Speaker 1: have here, and the balance stones in particular, all form
Speaker 1: a pattern and they go from northwest to southeast intersection,
Speaker 1: inter secting the island in three parallel lines. And this
Speaker 1: is a pattern that was also noted by the archaeologists
Speaker 1: as where the petroglyph sites are. So if you and
Speaker 1: they did map all the Petrocliff sites, they also follow
Speaker 1: a northwest to southeast pattern. These dolmen and standing stones
Speaker 1: and balanced stones also follow a northwest to northeast pattern.
Speaker 1: They connect each other. And also in the burials, the
Speaker 1: people were facing from northwest to southeast. That's how they
Speaker 1: were married. So the fault lines of Aruba also run
Speaker 1: northwest to southeast. So I think there is a we
Speaker 1: have trip. I mean, we have an earthquake just a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. We are in a very hot,
Speaker 1: hot seismic zone here in Aruba, and there was just
Speaker 1: a I don't know if you heard about an earthquake
Speaker 1: in Bogata, Columbia, and we felt it here so and
Speaker 1: that was like a six point something earthquake. So we're
Speaker 1: in a very hot sizemic zone. So it's it's not
Speaker 1: the first place on Earth where these dolmen and mound
Speaker 1: stones have been coordinating with fault lines. We see this
Speaker 1: also with the in uh Salem, New York. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you have ever in North Salem, New York.
Speaker 1: There is this balanced stone. It's like pink granite, and
Speaker 1: it's on these three little tiny quartz stones. And it's
Speaker 1: also right next to a fault line. And if you
Speaker 1: are to listen to the legends of the Native Americans
Speaker 1: in for example, Arizona, the Zooni for example, they will
Speaker 1: tell you that those fault lines are portals. That's what
Speaker 1: initiates the portal to begin and give the power to
Speaker 1: the portal. So and and the archaeologist told me at
Speaker 1: one site. We have another site here called the Io
Speaker 1: Rock Formation, which is just strange rocks, all rocks balanced.
Speaker 1: And I also petroglys there that he told me because
Speaker 1: I was I was saying at an Airbnb before I
Speaker 1: moved there, right at the base of this Io Rock formation,
Speaker 1: because it's so beautiful, very remote. But I kept having nightmares,
Speaker 1: like every night, having nightmares. And I had him over
Speaker 1: for dinner, and I said, you know, nice, so many
Speaker 1: nights I'm walking around with stage. I'm freaking out over here.
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, what do you expect your next
Speaker 1: to eight port? And it's a summer solstice and this
Speaker 1: is a scientists, Well yeah, archaelgists, And so I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean. He goes, yeah, you said. Some
Speaker 1: of them come in like you can bring you here,
Speaker 1: come in, some go out, and some go both ways
Speaker 1: and out. And he said there's probably things coming in
Speaker 1: and out and they're just giving you a hard time
Speaker 1: as you're sleeping. So I never stayed in that house again.
Speaker 1: That was the last time I stayed in that house.
Speaker 1: It was too much. I mean, the nightmares were so
Speaker 1: vivid you would wake up and still be thinking about
Speaker 1: the nightmare the next day. It was just too overwhelming
Speaker 1: for me. So yes, I think, for sure there are
Speaker 1: many portals on this island, and I think that there
Speaker 1: was a way that the giants knew how to harness
Speaker 1: that energy in a way that we still don't know
Speaker 1: what to do or how to do it.
Speaker 7: Sadly, Well, there's a lot of you know, depictions of giants,
Speaker 7: in my opinion, in ancient egypt hieroglyphics, uh with like
Speaker 7: huge people and then like a tiny person standing next
Speaker 7: to them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: Akanatin was like supposedly a god king with this elongated skull,
Speaker 7: big eyes, kind of like some weird pooch belly thing,
Speaker 7: kind of like the hump back. It's just like weird anatomy.
Speaker 7: And so I think that it's everywhere. I think that
Speaker 7: there were little pockets of it all over the place.
Speaker 7: But you know, the Egyptians, I feel like we're silly
Speaker 7: with portals and magic and all kinds of stuff. So
Speaker 7: if they were into it, I would assume that most
Speaker 7: of the giant races had some type of knowledge information
Speaker 7: something they knew what was up basically, and it's been
Speaker 7: you know, forgotten to us, Like why can't we why
Speaker 7: don't we know how to do this stuff? Like how
Speaker 7: did they figure it out? Like where did they come from? Basically?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Here's a couple of lose that I pick up. If
Speaker 4: you think about the shape of Akinatn, compare that to
Speaker 4: kind of the shape of the MOI. Right, the big
Speaker 4: giant heads on Easter Island, they got the same pooch belly.
Speaker 4: They got the same elongated features and all sorts of
Speaker 4: other things. It's very similar. And what they were practicing
Speaker 4: is what Greg Little calls the path of Soul's religion.
Speaker 4: And so this goes into the caves, this goes into
Speaker 4: all these other things that had to do with the stars.
Speaker 4: This was a fully formed religion that maybe we just
Speaker 4: don't fully understand today. But it seems like this is
Speaker 4: the crossover between giants and people and this sort of
Speaker 4: astral realm type existence. And again, they're always obsessed with death.
Speaker 1: Really, the islands here are called the Antilles, So I
Speaker 1: am in the Lesser Antilles. Above me is the Greater Antilles.
Speaker 1: So the Antilles means of Atlantis.
Speaker 3: So I believe I was waiting for you to say that.
Speaker 1: These islands were believed to be the remnants of Atlantis
Speaker 1: after the flood event or whatever occurred. I think it
Speaker 1: was a flood event. And so if you're now with
Speaker 1: all this information coming out about the Pyramids and these
Speaker 1: scans of what's going on beneath the Pyramids, which we've
Speaker 1: all heard about for so long, and thankfully science is
Speaker 1: now catching up, and if you think that maybe the
Speaker 1: Egyptians were an offshoot of the survivors of Atlantis. Then
Speaker 1: perhaps the giants are all connected to these original people
Speaker 1: of Atlantis, in which case that would make sense that
Speaker 1: the giants here would also be manipulating portals and also
Speaker 1: obsessed with death and going to the path of souls.
Speaker 1: There's a petroglyph here that it's I think of one
Speaker 1: hundred percent it's demonstrating the path of souls. And I
Speaker 1: actually was going to talk to Gregory about it, because
Speaker 1: I did. I went there on a night hike to
Speaker 1: check it out to see if it aligned with Orion. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's I believe it's a petroglyph of Orion and it's
Speaker 1: showing the Milky Way and different planets. It's it's a huge,
Speaker 1: huge petrical panel, and it's in a very secluded area.
Speaker 1: It's also protected. It's in the National Park. But it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that something couldn't happen God forbid. But it
Speaker 1: is also I believe it is showing the path of souls.
Speaker 1: And since there was such an obsession here with death.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, just to go back to
Speaker 1: their obsession with death, the power of the giants didn't
Speaker 1: die when they died. The giants, the power of the
Speaker 1: giants was maintained in their bones, so they really worshiped
Speaker 1: the bones.
Speaker 5: And so obsessed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they and they know they didn't practice cannibalism, they
Speaker 1: didn't do human sacrifice, they didn't even really do cremation
Speaker 1: because they were obsessed with keeping the bones. And so
Speaker 1: the Path of the Souls had kind of that concept
Speaker 1: of that belief system, which is so ancient and so
Speaker 1: prevalent in archaic cultures, I think was also going on
Speaker 1: here as well. And I think this petroglyph panel one
Speaker 1: hundred percent dictates that with and it was connected to.
Speaker 3: Orion that graverard you mentioned.
Speaker 4: You said that it was a sky burial and that
Speaker 4: in December, there's no way they could get to it.
Speaker 4: Part of the Path of Soul's religion is the leap
Speaker 4: over water, so maybe they did go out there during
Speaker 4: December during the time period that they use for the
Speaker 4: start of this journey, right at that spot.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's true. Yeah, there's a lot of water here,
Speaker 1: So that's a very good observation. That could definitely be
Speaker 1: something too, that that is the whole Path of the Souls.
Speaker 1: Is this the whole year long path of the goals
Speaker 1: and of this and that is part of it, as
Speaker 1: well as this preservation of the bones and then the
Speaker 1: painting of the bones and the deliberate way they would
Speaker 1: bury the people in the form of Isosceles triangles. They
Speaker 1: were so obsessed with Isosceles triangles that even some of
Speaker 1: the major sites on the island formed giant geoglyphs of
Speaker 1: Isosceles triangles. All their tools have little triangles on Isoceles triangles.
Speaker 1: Where we uh, we had a group of a student
Speaker 1: archaeologists here doing a dig at the giant site where
Speaker 1: Spuci met the giants, and I went with U. I
Speaker 1: saw the site, but then I went with the archaeologists
Speaker 1: that actually were cleaning some of the artifacts and categorizing
Speaker 1: them as part of you know, volunteering my time, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it was It was interesting because every single tool we
Speaker 1: picked up had these Isoceles triangles on them. Everything. There's
Speaker 1: stone tools, there's shell tools. So yeah, I think there
Speaker 1: is also connection with Isoceles triangles and these ancient cultures
Speaker 1: as well. I don't know if it has to do
Speaker 1: with Triangularum, which I have hypothesized, because Triangularum, which is
Speaker 1: a south a southern hemisphere constellation, can actually because I
Speaker 1: live right by the equator, I essentially live on the equator.
Speaker 1: So there's about a couple of day period at this
Speaker 1: time of year, for just about an hour where you
Speaker 1: can see at dusk Triangularum. Some it leaps over the
Speaker 1: equator and you can see very very very close to
Speaker 1: the to the to the line of sight, and then
Speaker 1: it just dips below and then you don't see it.
Speaker 1: So I almost wonder was there a connection between Triangularum
Speaker 1: and these isoceless This obsession was Absosceles Isoceles triangles, because
Speaker 1: that's what connects all these sites to the ones here
Speaker 1: in the Caribbean. Are these Isoceles triangle the burials and
Speaker 1: the tool marks and the way that the stones are
Speaker 1: set up there. There are stone monoliths and megalists are
Speaker 1: also set up in the form of Isoceles triangles. So
Speaker 1: the waves, yes, that could be too exactly, Yes, it
Speaker 1: could be something with energy.
Speaker 2: It actually brings me to a question that was trying
Speaker 2: to get back to, but I didn't want to interrupt.
Speaker 2: About going back to the caves. You said some of
Speaker 2: them had certain purposes. Was there any of them that
Speaker 2: might have been known for like healing or anything? Like that.
Speaker 1: I don't specifically see any evidence of that. I would
Speaker 1: have to assume because I'm sure some of the caves
Speaker 1: have certain harmonics. But I know that by the giant
Speaker 1: skeletons that were found hallucinogens, there was a mushroom that
Speaker 1: they were growing here that I promise you every a
Speaker 1: Reuben is trying to figure out what mushroom had. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's extinct because no one's come
Speaker 1: up with it as far as I know, and I
Speaker 1: would hope I would know. But they were definitely using hallucinogens.
Speaker 1: So they were making a tea, so that was what
Speaker 1: they could determine the archaeologist, and that's in the archaeological report.
Speaker 1: There was also a plant that also is not here anymore,
Speaker 1: that they were making a hallucinogenic drink with. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't ayahuasca, but I'm assuming it's something along those lines,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that they were. Of course, this would
Speaker 1: only be the shaman, This wouldn't be the general population
Speaker 1: was involved in these things at all. These First of all,
Speaker 1: the caves, most of them are so completely inaccessible and
Speaker 1: hidden from plain sight. I mean, you could walk by
Speaker 1: it one hundred times in a day and never even
Speaker 1: see that there were a cave system above you. So
Speaker 1: they were very secretive. And I think they probably did
Speaker 1: do something with psychedelics in these caves, and if that
Speaker 1: had something to do with healing, I would assume it would.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I don't see any or in
Speaker 1: the archaeological report, in my own investigations, anything that could
Speaker 1: really point you to that. But I mean, it would
Speaker 1: be safe to assume if they're using hallucinogens, there's something
Speaker 1: that's going on that's spiritual of a spiritual level. Not
Speaker 1: sure if it's healing, but maybe the messages that they
Speaker 1: got were healing to the people.
Speaker 2: The reason I ask is I just wonder if sometimes
Speaker 2: some of the stuff written on the walls is more
Speaker 2: of like especially with like the spiral waves, if it's
Speaker 2: more of like telling you the frequency to play the use.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there is a in New Jersey. There
Speaker 1: was a group it's off it's on the part of
Speaker 1: Princeton University that is stettying the harmonics of the caves.
Speaker 1: And I actually wrote them a letter because I wanted
Speaker 1: them to come to Aruba and test the harmonics of
Speaker 1: the caves to see if they were at because they
Speaker 1: were finding that certain caves with all these with all
Speaker 1: the petroglyphs, we're hitting certain at certain tones that would
Speaker 1: like we've heerate and shake almost the whole cave. And
Speaker 1: so I wanted them to come to test it, but
Speaker 1: they were too busy and they were in another part
Speaker 1: of the world, and I never followed up with it again.
Speaker 4: But if you look up, if you look up the
Speaker 4: Helmholtz frequency, they have very easy to follow formulas to
Speaker 4: where you can measure that just by taking the dimensions
Speaker 4: of a room, so you can actually frequency yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what is it called Helmholtz frequency?
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Yeah, it's great information. Thank you. I'm
Speaker 1: going to try it. I will definitely try it because
Speaker 1: I've been wondering that for years about the harmonics of
Speaker 1: the caves. I know, in certain areas, especially the one
Speaker 1: cave with the bigfoots, if you clap at one area,
Speaker 1: you'll hear it in another part of the cave. So
Speaker 1: you won't even hit sorry, you won't even hear it
Speaker 1: so much like by you, but you'll hear it really loud,
Speaker 1: really far away, in like another part of the cave.
Speaker 1: So that's you know, That's really got me thinking about
Speaker 1: the harmonics of the caves so and what the frequency
Speaker 1: would be. So, yeah, for sure that could be that.
Speaker 1: It could be the harmonics as well. That's something to
Speaker 1: think about and more research has to be done.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Usually usually with big open spaces, it's a much lower frequency,
Speaker 4: so you're talking like four hertz or whatever. But most
Speaker 4: of these sites, like the Dolmens and stuff like that
Speaker 4: up in New Grange and all these other places, they're
Speaker 4: all around the four hertz range. And so what they
Speaker 4: say is that once you hit that Helmholtz residence, then
Speaker 4: that's when people start really tripping out. So you've got
Speaker 4: that combination of a lot of really powerful hallucinogens going
Speaker 4: on in that same area.
Speaker 1: Wow, very interesting. Now I'll have to check it out.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's definitely something to look at, and it's
Speaker 1: definitely another component, I think, another layer.
Speaker 3: The hieroglyphics or whatever.
Speaker 7: The piction that you mentioned in the one cave that
Speaker 7: had like the Milky Way and everything, it sounds like
Speaker 7: the opening to the movie Prometheus, like they left these
Speaker 7: you know, they left these sigils and stuff for us
Speaker 7: to find, and you know they they end up finding
Speaker 7: these giant people. But anyway, so it made me think
Speaker 7: of this. There are a lot of islands kind of
Speaker 7: like Aruba that have legends of giants that I have studied.
Speaker 7: You're obviously the authority on the Aruba side of things,
Speaker 7: but I know that there are other islands with legends
Speaker 7: of giants. But they also report a high amount of
Speaker 7: UFO activity. And they also report like things flying in
Speaker 7: and out of the water and disappearing, just weird stuff
Speaker 7: like that. I'm not a huge alien person, but I
Speaker 7: do believe that there's some weird stuff that people are seeing.
Speaker 7: So what about Aruba, Like, are people seeing stuff coming
Speaker 7: up out.
Speaker 1: Of the water?
Speaker 7: Is there any weird lights in the sky stuff? Like,
Speaker 7: what's what's going on with that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we see UFOs all the time. All the time.
Speaker 1: We see them. We see them. I was like in
Speaker 1: the daytime even I was with my my ex father
Speaker 1: in law. My ex husband is a ruben so I
Speaker 1: was with him when you know, before my daughter was born,
Speaker 1: and I had a high balcony and we were sitting
Speaker 1: on the balcony during the day and there were all
Speaker 1: these strange lights like moving and getting together. I mean
Speaker 1: it was during the day, so it was just so
Speaker 1: jaring and I had just moved to Ruba, So I thought,
Speaker 1: was this a thing? I don't know? So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought, because we have military bases around us. We
Speaker 1: have the Dutch military here, we have the US Air
Speaker 1: Force as a base in Currouseu. So I thought, maybe
Speaker 1: this is military maneuvers. And I said to him, I said,
Speaker 1: what are those lights? And he looked at me like
Speaker 1: like a ghost, like he saw a ghost. He had
Speaker 1: no idea. Yeah, he couldn't explain it. I've never seen
Speaker 1: anything like that. I have heard from people that I've
Speaker 1: interviewed personally by specifically the rock formations, the balance stones,
Speaker 1: one of the largest balance stones that I've ever seen
Speaker 1: my whole life. The man is he's a respected man
Speaker 1: in the community. He's, you know, in his sixties. He's
Speaker 1: got me. He's not crazy. He told me. When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, we would see lights coming out of
Speaker 1: there going in there. The lights would sometimes would be
Speaker 1: so bright. We always thought they were just portals. We
Speaker 1: didn't know if they were UFOs, he said. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: lights would dance. The other site I told you about
Speaker 1: where the house was that and where I was on
Speaker 1: the beach with the knocking. I interviewed people there, like
Speaker 1: old school of Rubens, and they tell me all the
Speaker 1: times they would they called them the dancing lights. They
Speaker 1: would just see lights moving across the sand and they
Speaker 1: were scared. They didn't know they were scared, but they
Speaker 1: didn't try to ter act with the lights. Because this
Speaker 1: is also deeply Catholic country. So it's interesting because you
Speaker 1: have all these strange phenomenon and all this crazy ancient
Speaker 1: magic really occurring on the island, coupled with society that's
Speaker 1: very Christian and so but to them, you know, they
Speaker 1: also hold their indigenous qualities, so they try to mesh
Speaker 1: the Catholicism with There are supernatural experiences, so they saw,
Speaker 1: you know, they and they didn't attribute any of this
Speaker 1: to God or angels or anything. They attributed it right
Speaker 1: away to something supernatural. They knew right away. They thought
Speaker 1: it was UFOs. They thought it was something alien or
Speaker 1: they didn't connect it to ghosts, and they just assumed.
Speaker 1: Then we also have strange and eye witnessed that too,
Speaker 1: strange like strange like little tornadoes but there's no wind
Speaker 1: and there's none. Yeah, really remote parts of the island,
Speaker 1: particularly the same part of the island where I told
Speaker 1: you with the house that no one would rent that
Speaker 1: part of the island. Yeah, I saw it and I
Speaker 1: was with my friend and I said, what is in
Speaker 1: front of us? And we were like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: We couldn't believe it. There was no way, there was
Speaker 1: no there was nothing. We don't know how this thing
Speaker 1: could whip up. It was like in the Mummy, the
Speaker 1: movie The Mummy, I don't know, if you know, and
Speaker 1: they whip up they.
Speaker 3: Always the sand, the sand and.
Speaker 1: The engulf sea. I mean, it was like that was
Speaker 1: It's very strange. And that's another common phenomenon seen on
Speaker 1: the island, particularly at these ancient sites. And that's what's
Speaker 1: what's important to remember. These aren't happening in the middle
Speaker 1: of the capital of Aruba or by the tourist area.
Speaker 1: These are specifically happening at these ancient sites that are
Speaker 1: filled with archaic knowledge and artifacts and history, et cetera.
Speaker 4: So there is do you have any Do you have
Speaker 4: any dowsers on the island?
Speaker 1: No, but I have thought about trying to pick up
Speaker 1: that that hobby just to see if I could I
Speaker 1: have had I don't know, if you know. Tim Walter
Speaker 1: Scott Walter here and he was, you know, he wanted
Speaker 1: to check. I took him to some sites as well.
Speaker 1: But uh, and I know that he knows Dowsers. He
Speaker 1: had asked the same question, but I haven't had as
Speaker 1: far as I know. No doubt Dawsers have been here,
Speaker 1: but that would be another interesting angle.
Speaker 7: I find it highly interesting that there's an air Force
Speaker 7: base out there. Sorry Nick, go ahead, No, no, no, I mean,
Speaker 7: I just think the military knows what the f is
Speaker 7: up and they try to get themselves as close to
Speaker 7: it as they possibly can.
Speaker 1: And they say it's not a military base.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 3: They're doing a kind of ship.
Speaker 1: Are you that When I have to do my passports off,
Speaker 1: I have to go to US embassy, and the US
Speaker 1: Embassy is in the curre of South, so you know,
Speaker 1: and it would make sense if you're gonna have the ambassy,
Speaker 1: you want some military presence. I'm sure that was the
Speaker 1: deal that they made. And so they have a military
Speaker 1: base that they have one that is known, and I
Speaker 1: believe it's the I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 1: if they work with the Dutch Marines, because we also
Speaker 1: have the Dutch Marines here and then we have US
Speaker 1: Coastcard down here. We have US Navy down here.
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 1: And so you know when I landed when I went
Speaker 1: to kersl last time, it was a year ago, and
Speaker 1: I realized, oh my god, why there are all these
Speaker 1: US like air Force planes here? And then I realized, wow,
Speaker 1: it's a US air Force base. And they did research. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not an air Force base. It's a part of
Speaker 1: the night. They all these fancy things, but it's an
Speaker 1: air Force base. Of course you land, you're going to
Speaker 1: see you Wow, there's all these US air Force jets there.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are they doing? Then? They just sight seeing?
Speaker 1: I don't think they're like the cat Church.
Speaker 8: Nick knows what I'm talking about. They want to put
Speaker 8: their bases right on top of the ancient sites, just like.
Speaker 1: Agree at Alta Vista. At Alta Vista Chapel, they put
Speaker 1: it exactly on top of an ancient site that was
Speaker 1: a religious site to the giants. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: the giants kept like burning down the churches that were
Speaker 1: Then the priests talk about this and they write about
Speaker 1: it that and they're frustration. The priests are frustrated because
Speaker 1: they cannot keep these churches intact, because the giants keep
Speaker 1: burning them down, and uh, I think that's another part
Speaker 1: too of the demise of the giants. Sadly, a lot
Speaker 1: of them I think probably got killed because they were
Speaker 1: just getting in the way of everything that the plans
Speaker 1: that the Europeans have for the islands. And we're cooperating,
Speaker 1: but we do have an ancient site. It's one of
Speaker 1: the most ancient sites on the on the island down
Speaker 1: on top of it, as well as another ancient site
Speaker 1: that I'm going to go to on the solstice where
Speaker 1: they alsound burials, and another ancient site where there are burials.
Speaker 1: There are three Catholic churches on all three of those sites,
Speaker 1: and everything has been desecrated, everything.
Speaker 5: Just like Italy. Yep, just like Italy.
Speaker 7: Tim knows what's up. I was gonna mention that too.
Speaker 7: I mean, of course, so you got to have your
Speaker 7: military presence and then you also have to follow that
Speaker 7: up with like some kind of religious institution, mostly Catholic,
Speaker 7: is what I've found. But wow, may I mean, Heather,
Speaker 7: You're kicking my ass. I had no idea about some
Speaker 7: of this stuff. You're amazing, girl, This is crazy.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the opportunity to share it. You know, you
Speaker 1: spend all these hours of your life researching something and
Speaker 1: then you know, I'll try to talk to my family
Speaker 1: about it. In their eyes, just glass arena to be
Speaker 1: around certain people and who appreciate it. So I'm really
Speaker 1: enjoying speaking with you all.
Speaker 6: Is there a lot of lapis lazuli around in that area,
Speaker 6: like that's in any of the caves or like on
Speaker 6: the I have.
Speaker 1: Heard that there is lapis, I have not seen any.
Speaker 1: We do have greenstone, for sure, we have gold. The
Speaker 1: whole island is filled with gold, tons, tons and tons
Speaker 1: of quartz crystal. As a matter of fact, the archaeologists
Speaker 1: determined that all of the ancient rituals of the giants
Speaker 1: were done on quartz crystal. So on the mountain we
Speaker 1: have called crystal, it's literally called crystal saro crystal, which
Speaker 1: is pappimental for crystal crystal mountain. There were burials in there.
Speaker 1: You can still find ruby, rose cord, You could find rubies.
Speaker 1: So there are some semi precious stones here for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so uh that they say Also Onyx is here and interestingly,
Speaker 1: and this is now three times it came up. It
Speaker 1: came up in the archaeological reports. It came up and
Speaker 1: some of the exploring I've done, and it came up
Speaker 1: when these amateur archaeologists came here, the student archaeologists, and
Speaker 1: I was helping them cleaning the artifacts all three times.
Speaker 1: In some of these anti burials they had inart part
Speaker 1: of the grave gifts, they found pieces of green glass, So,
Speaker 1: which is very odd because that would mean that what
Speaker 1: would they do? How were they making glass? They had
Speaker 1: to get to such a high temperature. I have found
Speaker 1: some of their ovens that they had. They were very
Speaker 1: interesting ovens. They would put them. They would take a
Speaker 1: giant stone and just I don't know how because these
Speaker 1: stones are diar right when the you know it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a hard stone. Everyone's, oh, it's only seven on
Speaker 1: the moorstale. Well, then you try to put a hole
Speaker 1: in the direct. So they would put these holes in
Speaker 1: the diaryte and it's like a tunnel and you could
Speaker 1: see the black you know they had they got it
Speaker 1: so hot. I don't know how they did it, but
Speaker 1: if they were making glass, that's that just blows my mind.
Speaker 1: And and three burial sites there were pieces and it's
Speaker 1: always green. So the archaeologist told me she thought was
Speaker 1: polished jade, which would be even crazier if there was jade,
Speaker 1: because the I mean, but you think, okay, the Maya
Speaker 1: had jade, and that's.
Speaker 5: In South America.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were trading with, you know, the Maya. Were
Speaker 1: they the Maya? I don't know, because they're also One
Speaker 1: of the caves in Bonaire has drawings in it, and
Speaker 1: an archaeologist from Florida State University who was an expert
Speaker 1: on proto Mayan and Mayan writing came to Bonair and
Speaker 1: wrote and it was in the I have the article.
Speaker 1: It's in the Miami Herald. In nineteen seventy he wrote
Speaker 1: an article stating that he believed that the drawings, the
Speaker 1: writing in the cave and Bonair was proto Mayan and
Speaker 1: he was shocked at how far the Mayans had come
Speaker 1: and how prolific they had come. While he was kicked
Speaker 1: out of the college, they threatened to take away his
Speaker 1: license to teach unless he wrote a retraction, which I
Speaker 1: also have that in the Miami Herald, apologizing for saying
Speaker 1: that they were proto Mayan drawings and that they could
Speaker 1: not have been my enjoys. Meanwhile, this was an expert.
Speaker 1: There was the only guy in the whole world at
Speaker 1: that time who could read proto Mayan.
Speaker 7: And but he's an idiot apparently because he just I guess.
Speaker 1: They just moved.
Speaker 4: They just proved that the Mayans were the inspiration behind
Speaker 4: the Mississippian culture. They have the artifacts to prove it.
Speaker 4: They were going up through the Gulf.
Speaker 8: Yes, of course, they were in Georgia.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And they were in Georgia exactly, Yes, and they and
Speaker 1: they even were in Arizona. There are places in Arizona
Speaker 1: where you see petrogliss and you're right away. I was
Speaker 1: with my friend Jeff Woolwine hiking out there. I said,
Speaker 1: this looks Mayan because I had us come from Easter
Speaker 1: Island and Peru, and you know, you see all these drawings,
Speaker 1: it's the same, It's the same. Yeah, Utah as well, exactly.
Speaker 1: So I think the Maya were one of the most
Speaker 1: prolific ancient societies ever on the planet. And it's I
Speaker 1: don't know why people are afraid to say that.
Speaker 8: There's this guy, he's a he's a blogger and I
Speaker 8: have to look.
Speaker 2: Up his name.
Speaker 1: I'm blanking on it.
Speaker 8: But he's been talking about the Mayans in the South
Speaker 8: and Alabama, Georgia in that region. But he's been completely
Speaker 8: shut off from the archaeological world. I mean, he's got
Speaker 8: death He says he received death threats on his blog
Speaker 8: all the time. Still they're still like over here, they're
Speaker 8: still suppressing it.
Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable because it is a major component. It's
Speaker 1: another piece to the story. And you know how much
Speaker 1: interaction with the giants having this the Maya where they
Speaker 1: the same people, you know, because when you I mean
Speaker 1: I just went to and you can see these Mayan temples.
Speaker 1: I mean there are giants all over those temples, giant heads,
Speaker 1: giant faces, giant bodies, giant temples, giant pyramids, you know everything.
Speaker 3: They disappear all at the same time.
Speaker 7: That'd another question that I'd love to know the answer
Speaker 7: to because if they were so tight, you know, it's
Speaker 7: like their best these or whatever, and they are all
Speaker 7: just disappearing, like with little denote trace of where they went.
Speaker 7: I mean, what are you what are your thoughts on
Speaker 7: like ancient technology and stuff, because I do believe that
Speaker 7: some of the giants had ancient technology.
Speaker 1: I mean to move the stones that they've moved. If
Speaker 1: you see the size of these stones, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: bigger than cars, and I can't even I don't. And
Speaker 1: every stone here, especially the balanced stones, are pointed on
Speaker 1: one end and pointing to something. They're always arranged in
Speaker 1: a very specific and deliberate manner so that it's either
Speaker 1: pointed to a burial. And this was also noted in
Speaker 1: the archaeological report that these stones and the petroglyphs were
Speaker 1: always pointing you to something. So sometimes the stones were
Speaker 1: pointing you to a balanced stones supporting you to a mountain.
Speaker 1: For example, right outside my window, I have an extinct volcano.
Speaker 1: A lot of the focus was towards that volcano. And
Speaker 1: some of the stones are pointing to burials, some of
Speaker 1: them are pointing to caves, some of them are pointing
Speaker 1: to other petroglyphs sites or other balanced stones, and some
Speaker 1: of them are pointing to specific areas where they want
Speaker 1: you to look at specific times, for example, the equinox, sunrise,
Speaker 1: or sunset. A lot of the solar alignments that occur
Speaker 1: on the island are usually at sunset and at sunrise
Speaker 1: because those are the most distinct times of the day
Speaker 1: when the sun is actually moving. We don't have much
Speaker 1: movement of the sun here because we're on the equator,
Speaker 1: but at the equinoxes you will see the sun move
Speaker 1: and it's specifically at sunrise and sunset, so a lot
Speaker 1: of those stones also there. The site I'm going to
Speaker 1: go to on Saturday for the solstice has a slit.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a rock shelter. It's totally hidden.
Speaker 1: It's a rock shelter with drawings all around, but on
Speaker 1: one wall there's only one drawing, and it's of a
Speaker 1: man and or a human running, like you could tell
Speaker 1: he's in the state of running. And as the summer
Speaker 1: the sunset sun cuts through this slit that they've made
Speaker 1: in the stone, and it slowly, slowly, slowly engulfts the
Speaker 1: man so until he's like, oh, totally in light and
Speaker 1: in the light, and then he's in the in total blackness.
Speaker 1: It's such a bizarre, strange petroglyphs. I always feel like
Speaker 1: it's either the beginning of the opening of a portal,
Speaker 1: just the way the stones are and how you can't
Speaker 1: see it when you have to really know where this
Speaker 1: site is, a bunch of burials were found at the
Speaker 1: base of this stone structure, so I think, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that could denote a portal as well. I don't know.
Speaker 4: But if you got a drum, bring it with you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've thought about that, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah. I actually I have a friend who
Speaker 1: has a really nice drum. I shouldn't invite them. It's
Speaker 1: just hard, do you know, when to try to disclose
Speaker 1: these places to too many people because they're now protected,
Speaker 1: So it's you know, you get very nervous and people
Speaker 1: are so savvy nowadays. You give a couple of hints
Speaker 1: and they can find it. So I try to be
Speaker 1: very cautious about who I bring to those sites. But
Speaker 1: that one I've never posted about because I don't it's
Speaker 1: an unprotected area. But it's an amazing thing to see
Speaker 1: at the solstice.
Speaker 4: We have some standing stones or dolmens up here. They
Speaker 4: call them glacial erratics. Yeah, these nine hundred pounds boulders
Speaker 4: got dropped in the middle of an island in a lake,
Speaker 4: on top of three rocks, all on top of three rocks.
Speaker 1: Where are you based out.
Speaker 4: Of I'm in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, Wisconsin has a lot. Yes. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, I am on social media. I forget which
Speaker 1: one of the platforms it was. I posted those pictures
Speaker 1: to an archaeol, a group of archaeologists, and they all
Speaker 1: told me they were glacial erratics. I said, no, but
Speaker 1: I'm in a Ruba. There were no glaciers here, so
Speaker 1: we have to come up with something else. What's going
Speaker 1: to be next? What's the next? Excuse? Everything's a glacial erratic?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the glaciers were that intelligent, and
Speaker 1: they would put them specifically in a certain direction, facing
Speaker 1: the solstice, next to a fault line.
Speaker 4: Come on, over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: Right exactly? I mean, and then and then like you said,
Speaker 1: like two like a couple of little pointy stones, and
Speaker 1: then there's giant sixty time bowl. It's really ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Well, in my area, one of them had ogum writing
Speaker 4: on it. Oh yes, interesting from Ireland, and it said.
Speaker 1: B L Ball, Oh ball, right.
Speaker 4: Because the Celtic people were mercenaries for the Canaanite Phoenicians,
Speaker 4: so they were worshiping Ball. And it's like the only
Speaker 4: way any of this makes sense is if you actually
Speaker 4: declare that those h copper minds up in Michigan are real.
Speaker 4: They'll never do that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's no way. I mean that, and then
Speaker 1: think of how far away the copper has been found
Speaker 1: globally all over the world, this copper was transported, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Have you seen those? Have you been to
Speaker 1: those stones? You?
Speaker 4: I really want to, I mean, uh, I mean you
Speaker 4: said this Saturday, so maybe I'll head up there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's definitely if you have stuff like that in your backyard,
Speaker 1: you should totally check it out. It'll change your life,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, when I lived in New York,
Speaker 1: I would I I've seen like so I tried to
Speaker 1: see as many megalithic chambers as I could. I'm going
Speaker 1: back to New York actually next week, and I plan
Speaker 1: on seeing a couple more. And yeah, it's so cool
Speaker 1: to like have these sites right in your backyard. And
Speaker 1: you know, and then I always said, if the chambers,
Speaker 1: especially in the megalithic chambers in New York and New England,
Speaker 1: if they got popular and the archaelogists got involved, there
Speaker 1: would just be like a velvet rope in front of
Speaker 1: it and we would just be looking in. You know,
Speaker 1: let's enjoy this while we can still go in it
Speaker 1: and feel the energy and explore it. But the archaelogists
Speaker 1: will never touch those sites either. It's never ever, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you should check it out. I'd love to hear about
Speaker 1: what you find out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely will.
Speaker 8: So somebody sent me this and I got to read
Speaker 8: this because I want to run it by. They said,
Speaker 8: I once had the honor of being allowed to take
Speaker 8: a stone from the cliffs side next to Serpent Mound,
Speaker 8: and it amazed people for years as the red sandstone
Speaker 8: held a magnetic charge. To this day it makes a
Speaker 8: compass wiggle, though the charge has faded. So I thought
Speaker 8: that's interesting, and I was going to ask you anyway
Speaker 8: about Serpent Mount but as you were talking about Ruba,
Speaker 8: it reminded me of this message.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been to Chaco Canyon at the summer
Speaker 1: solstice sunrise at Casa Rin Kanata Kiva and they only
Speaker 1: let in one hundred people. Literally one hundred people, not
Speaker 1: one hundred cars. One hundred people that count you in
Speaker 1: the car. You have to get there at one o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning because the line of cars and you
Speaker 1: want to be the first or the second one, make
Speaker 1: sure you get in. So I've seen it twice and
Speaker 1: I brought it with me a trimeter and as the
Speaker 1: sun was rising, there was a strawberry moon was setting
Speaker 1: and the sun was rising. I had the trimeter and
Speaker 1: this is an experiment I saw on YouTube someone do,
Speaker 1: so I recreated it as soon as the sun was rising,
Speaker 1: had it on the stone of the side, and the
Speaker 1: meter was going crazy all of the my compass I
Speaker 1: had old school compass, same things. Everything was fine until
Speaker 1: the sun started to come up and started to rise,
Speaker 1: and then the light event occurred at Casa rin Kanata kiva,
Speaker 1: which is where the sun goes through one square and
Speaker 1: then it and there's tea pillars there. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever looked at that kiva, but it goes
Speaker 1: through one square and then it follows and then it
Speaker 1: lights up another one of the windows and then the
Speaker 1: whole thing goes away and it's it's amazing. But at
Speaker 1: that moment, the trimeter and my compass were going crazy.
Speaker 1: And that's sandstone, so it's the same same concept. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I think one hundred percent hold to charge because
Speaker 1: I noticed it. I saw it.
Speaker 2: So I was just.
Speaker 4: Listening today about Goldbecky Tepee and they found other sites
Speaker 4: that have those exact kind of tea pillars that now
Speaker 4: align perfectly with the summer solstice. So there's groups of
Speaker 4: people that are heading up there for that. But I
Speaker 4: guarantee it's got the same sort of electromagnetic event.
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think these sites get energized
Speaker 1: at that time the stone there's this combination of light
Speaker 1: and stone and the intensity of the light at that
Speaker 1: time too. I don't know. It has to be something
Speaker 1: because I witnessed it firsthand at Jock o'kenyon. And even
Speaker 1: when you go like every summer solstice we would visit
Speaker 1: a megalithic chamber, winter solstice, we would go to the
Speaker 1: winter solstice megalithic chamber where are all these alignments, And
Speaker 1: there's a feeling that you get that stays with you
Speaker 1: for days after you go to those sites on those
Speaker 1: specific celestial events, which it's very positive. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, when I lived in New York, if my
Speaker 1: daughter and I were ill, we would drive up to
Speaker 1: I would drive up to the chambers and just sit
Speaker 1: in the chambers with her to just try to just
Speaker 1: get the energy of the stones and try to heal.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it works. I mean, it does work.
Speaker 1: It's not like working like taking night quill, but it's
Speaker 1: definitely working like alleviating your symptoms and getting you better faster.
Speaker 1: But and and it's very spiritual and energetic too. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's I think, like, you know, just going
Speaker 1: back to the earlier discussion, there's definitely a healing that's
Speaker 1: involved with this light and Stone.
Speaker 2: I think I'm actually I'm supposed to, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I spoke to somebody today. I forgot his name. Some
Speaker 2: guy is supposed to be pretty much following around and
Speaker 2: like filming stuff at Mount Pilot. I'm gonna be going
Speaker 2: to a Mountain Pilot for the Solstice. And he was
Speaker 2: telling me the same thing that if you have the
Speaker 2: chance to like take off your your shoes and actually
Speaker 2: stand on that ship for a minute, she's're supposed to
Speaker 2: actually heal you. But yeah, I'm able to go there
Speaker 2: for the summer solstice. Will be there tomorrow at this point,
Speaker 2: actually at this time, will be there. I think you
Speaker 2: mentioned Scott Walter from what I was told, he's supposed
Speaker 2: to be there and I'm something I don't know specific,
Speaker 2: something he's doing Tuesday. I'm supposed to film him actually
Speaker 2: doing something. Oh wow, yeah Mount Pilot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he's a Summit.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, because yeah, the Cosmic Summit. Yeah, yeah, that's what. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I should have just said that, the proably would have
Speaker 2: made more sense.
Speaker 8: Is it Violet Mountain in outside of West of Salem,
Speaker 8: North Carolina.
Speaker 2: I think it's in Greensboro. I don't know where.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, then that's.
Speaker 2: I'm coming from Greenville. I have no I I just
Speaker 2: to know where I'm going on the GPS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that's I think he's there now at the
Speaker 1: Cosmic Summit, so that would make sense. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: you'll see Scott. Yeah, he was here last year. I
Speaker 1: think it was with Haley, his girlfriend. So they were
Speaker 1: here and we hung out for like I guess we're
Speaker 1: here for five days. But I took him to some sites.
Speaker 1: He was blown away. He was really impressed.
Speaker 2: I think he's supposed to do something about the Knights Templars.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. Again, this is what the person's
Speaker 2: telling me. You know who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's wrapped up with the Knights Templar. There were
Speaker 1: no there, I don't. I mean, we have a rescousion
Speaker 1: society here, the rescoushion of the Freemasons have so many
Speaker 1: of their lodges and the meeting places here. The whole
Speaker 1: island is riddled with secret societies. He wanted to try
Speaker 1: to tie the Templars into it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he ever came up with it. I don't study enough
Speaker 1: about the Templars. If they come up, they come up,
Speaker 1: but I don't dismiss it. But it is interesting that
Speaker 1: we also have and he is a Freemason, so that's
Speaker 1: also interesting.
Speaker 8: Well, secret societies have a way of just finding these places.
Speaker 1: Don't they exactly exactly, especially with giant bones exactly.
Speaker 8: They're funny.
Speaker 1: Hear about giant bones. There's a secret society involved too.
Speaker 4: The Knights Templar were the ones who started the Order
Speaker 4: of the Golden Circle, yes, after the Civil War, and
Speaker 4: they went down to Aruba as well. So you've got
Speaker 4: that huge connection of like the fleeg Southeritors the Caribbean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have what these freemason I guess, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you call it a meeting house. I don't
Speaker 1: know the technical term. We have lodge, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: They're the highest order, like the Temple of the Sun.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's thirty third degree in higher So
Speaker 1: we have Yeah, I have one right by my house.
Speaker 1: They're scattered all over the island. I think we have
Speaker 1: six of them. And then right on the beach is
Speaker 1: the Rescrution Lodge. And my ex boyfriend, who was an archaeologist,
Speaker 1: is a rescrusion. So it's interesting that the archaeologist is
Speaker 1: the rescrution. Don't forget Anthony Fauci's also a rescrution. So
Speaker 1: interesting how these gatekeepers seem to always be in our
Speaker 1: face and really determining what we can hear, what we
Speaker 1: can learn, and what we can know. So it's a
Speaker 1: strange connection.
Speaker 5: But yeah, very aspect of life, yes, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's always a gatekeeper. So yeah, So the archaeologist,
Speaker 1: he is an active rescutionion. His father was the president
Speaker 1: of the Rescritioni Society. He was the Caribbean Islands only pathologist,
Speaker 1: which is also interesting. So he would also do autopsies
Speaker 1: on the ancient skeletons that they found. So I always
Speaker 1: tried to get a lot of information out of them,
Speaker 1: thankfully from the archaeologists, I did. From the father, he's
Speaker 1: a little older, he's in his eighties this late eighties,
Speaker 1: so his mind was a little bit all over the place.
Speaker 1: But if you go in their house, it's filled with
Speaker 1: rescution symbolism and poems, and they're really it's like going
Speaker 1: into like the house of the lodge of RESCRUTIONI, I
Speaker 1: mean os all over the place. Is very odd, but
Speaker 1: it's interesting because that is that really defines who they are.
Speaker 1: You know that that's the place from which they come.
Speaker 1: And so so that's actually the scary part about it.
Speaker 1: You know, how much more do they know that we
Speaker 1: don't know?
Speaker 2: Some thing I want to I want to ask. This
Speaker 2: is such a random, weird question. And it's only because
Speaker 2: it was something that I noticed myself seeing because I
Speaker 2: stopped at a bunch of lodges when I lived in
Speaker 2: Long Island, when I lived in New York Island, me too,
Speaker 2: Oh whereabouts, if you don't mind me asking?
Speaker 1: No, sure, I grew up in Sayville and.
Speaker 2: I went to Connect question. Oh my god, wow.
Speaker 1: And then and then I moved to Seaford. So I
Speaker 1: moved here from Seaford from County.
Speaker 2: Well, all right, but uh, from going to all these
Speaker 2: Masonic lodges. This is gonna sound weird, but I somehow
Speaker 2: noticed it and then started googling other lodges, and I
Speaker 2: would start to even notice and another reason why I'm
Speaker 2: asking this because I'm assuming in a ruber it's only
Speaker 2: so big, there's only so many people there. I started
Speaker 2: noticing like maybe you'd find a town that would have
Speaker 2: like three or four lodges, which is a little weird,
Speaker 2: and for some reason, neither right next door or within
Speaker 2: blocks away there's a funeral home. And it's like, what
Speaker 2: do you need five funeral homes for when there's only
Speaker 2: a thousand people in the fucking town.
Speaker 1: Yes. Do you know by the lodge that's very close
Speaker 1: to my house, there are two funeral homes, each other
Speaker 1: literally next door to it. Literally their other lodge has
Speaker 1: a cremate, a crematorium. Yo.
Speaker 2: I covered over one hundred of them on the United States,
Speaker 2: all have a funeral home, either walking distance or right
Speaker 2: next door.
Speaker 1: Cremation was just legalized on this island. So this is
Speaker 1: a Catholic country, right, so they're not allowed to cremate
Speaker 1: the human body. They only had the cremation the crematorium
Speaker 1: set up for animals. But now they have a huge
Speaker 1: bulge because they're running out of space to bury the bodies.
Speaker 1: And you can't bury bodies in the ground here in Aruba.
Speaker 1: They have to be in like New Orleans. You know,
Speaker 1: they have to be above grind, and they're running out
Speaker 1: of rooms. So now people prefer to just cremate the bodies.
Speaker 1: So now all these crematoriums are cropping up, and there
Speaker 1: are Masonic temples literally on the same block.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I noticed, I was like filming a bunch
Speaker 2: of FM because I was just I was trying to
Speaker 2: see like that, the architecture, just anything about these buildings
Speaker 2: are significant. And as I was editing all of them.
Speaker 2: As I'm editing all of them, I'm like, yo, like
Speaker 2: or even as I'm walking, I'm like, yo, at a
Speaker 2: funeral home, Wasn't there a funeral home over by so
Speaker 2: and so on? As I saw it, going through all
Speaker 2: the footage, I'm like, why is there a funeral home
Speaker 2: home next to these Masonic lodges?
Speaker 1: That's exactly Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just started googling lodges and then the funeral homes
Speaker 2: in the area, and I'm like, right next to each other.
Speaker 1: They're right next to each other. Yes, yes, same here.
Speaker 1: And and it's a ruma. It's so far away, it's
Speaker 1: over two thousand miles away. It's the same.
Speaker 4: It's a final destination for all these human traffickings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of the tunnel system, is connecting all
Speaker 2: those things.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, exactly, Yeah, that's very interesting absolution.
Speaker 2: Yes, the funeral home, that's cool. I was just like,
Speaker 2: what's the odds you're even going to realize that? But
Speaker 2: that's great.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, once you said, because you said, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's a small island. So right away the first one
Speaker 1: I picked, why.
Speaker 2: Do we need Why do we need ten funeral homes?
Speaker 1: It's very because and it's funny because there are only
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten thousand people on the island, Like
Speaker 1: how many people are dying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's like, yo, if you need that many,
Speaker 2: you're going to go extinct. I guess, right.
Speaker 1: Exactly. I mean why there's so many doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I'm always saying, how do these
Speaker 1: things stay in business? I mean there's one person who
Speaker 1: dies a month. I mean, you know, thank god.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean did I ask you rub question?
Speaker 1: Sure? Please?
Speaker 4: What about that case about kurk Vander whatever? The guy
Speaker 4: what was what.
Speaker 1: Was you're in vander suit? Yes? Yeah, it's crazy. His
Speaker 1: mother taught at my daughter's school. She was an art teacher.
Speaker 1: He went to my daughter's school. I mean, this was
Speaker 1: like a yeah, no, he was His father was believed
Speaker 1: to be a freemason as well, and so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It still haunts the island to this day.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's alive at all. You know, at
Speaker 1: this point, I think, you know, something terrible did happen
Speaker 1: to her, and I think involves human trafficking. Aruba is
Speaker 1: a human trafficking hub. If you look on the CIA
Speaker 1: or State Department website, it's one of the first warnings
Speaker 1: that they give, especially for young people putting drugs in
Speaker 1: your drinks at these clubs serving underage people. Aruba has
Speaker 1: one of the lowest ages of consent in the entire globe.
Speaker 1: It's fifteen years old. So you have to like with
Speaker 1: my daughter, I have teenage daughter. I mean, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm so strict with her. I don't care at all.
Speaker 1: I said, when you get to be my age, you
Speaker 1: will understand exactly why I'm being the strict with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm very very conservative with her. You know,
Speaker 1: some of her friends are going out and drinking already.
Speaker 1: You know, they also have no drinking age. Essentially, So
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, it's a it's definitely a place where
Speaker 1: you have to watch out. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I had friends come into town and you know, friends
Speaker 1: of friends, and I saw them and they said, oh,
Speaker 1: our kids are they're teenagers. Oh they're going to this club.
Speaker 1: In this club, I'm like, tell them be careful, especially
Speaker 1: the girls. You got to if you forget, you leave
Speaker 1: your drink and you go to the bathroom, you come back,
Speaker 1: throw away the drink. Don't worry about the money, don't
Speaker 1: you know. That's a thing that happens here. A lot
Speaker 1: of these guys would work with the bartenders, so they
Speaker 1: knew where to bring in the girls and then where
Speaker 1: they could drug them. They could film snuff films like
Speaker 1: a lot of evil.
Speaker 6: You got to get a can you just got to
Speaker 6: get something that's like literally skilleder something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because it's an it's an operation here. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a very organized operation. So and and they're powerful,
Speaker 1: so you have to really and the law isn't on
Speaker 1: your side. I mean, if you're fifteen years old, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the age of consent. That's it. It's
Speaker 1: literally I think it's the youngest age of a consent
Speaker 1: except for like one of the Arabic nations or something.
Speaker 1: It's like really, but that's something that you know, you
Speaker 1: have to think about too. So that's that case still
Speaker 1: haunts the island. It will always haunt the island.
Speaker 8: Is it like a government secret societies and they're all
Speaker 8: working together?
Speaker 1: Well, I think yeah, a lot of the government officials
Speaker 1: are in the secret society, so I would I would
Speaker 1: say yes. Also, you know, I mean we're right by
Speaker 1: South America, you know, by cartel activity, drug activity. It's
Speaker 1: it's a major jumping off point for all things like
Speaker 1: really evil in the world. Sadly, so at the.
Speaker 4: Thirty second degree of freemasonry makes you a brother with
Speaker 4: all of the pirates at sea. They've been behind drug
Speaker 4: trafficking operations, human trafficking operation since the beginning.
Speaker 2: You know, there's another weird question, but sorry, like kind
Speaker 2: of it's on the same thing. But rotary club you
Speaker 2: have you noticed any of those?
Speaker 1: Of course, we have a rotary club.
Speaker 2: You gotta have your boats. They have boats in there
Speaker 2: from me.
Speaker 1: Anyways, in the in the center of the town and
Speaker 1: around yourself. I have a picture of it. It's on
Speaker 1: my social media, a picture of me standing in front
Speaker 1: of a monolithic stone that they took from one of
Speaker 1: the rock formations here where there were two monoliths. One
Speaker 1: is on the ground broken and the other one they took.
Speaker 1: They literally took. I even asked the arch i'llgist and
Speaker 1: they put it in the center of town. And that's
Speaker 1: their like monument, the Rotary Club monument. Is this ancient
Speaker 1: stone that they took from this temple complex here in
Speaker 1: the Ruba moved it. So, yes, the Rotary Club of
Speaker 1: Aruba is here.
Speaker 2: Lions Club too. Let's throw that club as well, if you.
Speaker 1: Don't, of course, yes we do.
Speaker 4: Spot They probably all come down from the States and
Speaker 4: do whatever they want to down there, have the big
Speaker 4: conference whatever it's anything.
Speaker 6: A big sigil, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3: Exactly in the giant bones they.
Speaker 2: Set right, well, wonder if that has something to do
Speaker 2: with it. Absolutely odd fellows have like bones in their temples.
Speaker 6: Supposed you know, the help in the marrow and all
Speaker 6: that saying.
Speaker 5: You know, that's a path.
Speaker 4: It's always been a sex cult. That's what they're doing
Speaker 4: in there. They're doing strange stuff with those bones.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I know it's interesting that, you know,
Speaker 1: we're on an island that had giant giant.
Speaker 5: I call it a boner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to do it. At least a female
Speaker 2: could get away with that.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm gonna say it, but I was waiting for you, Julia.
Speaker 7: You know, I am the foulest one.
Speaker 8: You got to wonder too, if any of this stuff
Speaker 8: is a remnant of like so, so Julia talked about
Speaker 8: like maybe the Egyptians were Atlanteans, and then he let's
Speaker 8: talks about the Canaanite Phoenicians coming over here. So like
Speaker 8: if and that's all in the Mediterranean, You've got like Egypt,
Speaker 8: Middle East, and Mesopotamia all meet right there on that sea.
Speaker 8: And we know that they were coming over here.
Speaker 1: We're starting to.
Speaker 8: Find all those ships and everything else. They were coming
Speaker 8: in the copper mines. Of course, they were coming over here.
Speaker 8: So did they come and did they bring their pagan
Speaker 8: religion with them? And is there a remnant of that
Speaker 8: still lingering on these islands?
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's a great that's a great question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, because they were definitely over here. I mean,
Speaker 1: we know for sure that people were traveling by boat.
Speaker 1: So that's very that's very possible.
Speaker 6: Yes, continue, the elites really liked to go on Onalysis's
Speaker 6: boat and hide out the logs as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: The Pathive Soul's religion was transmitted by the Manoans, and
Speaker 4: the Manoan civilization really took that the religion everywhere they went,
Speaker 4: and so you find a lot of it in North
Speaker 4: America and probably with the with the giants as well,
Speaker 4: So I mean that's probably where they picked it up from.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Manoans had an island with filled with caves
Speaker 8: beneath it.
Speaker 1: Oh that, Yeah, I didn't know that. That's Amazingians.
Speaker 4: It's the same group.
Speaker 2: They just.
Speaker 7: It's definitely the same group because even in Peru, the
Speaker 7: elongated giant skulls that they found.
Speaker 3: In Peru, they're all redheaded.
Speaker 7: You know, it's like, why do they all have similar
Speaker 7: physical features? But are you guys big Donovan fans at all?
Speaker 7: Do you listen to Donovan.
Speaker 3: Head listen to you? Do you know that Atlantis?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 7: They literally he literally talks about how Atlantis knew, you know,
Speaker 7: it could foresee its fate. So it sent out ships
Speaker 7: in seven different directions and they made little capital cities
Speaker 7: all over the world, and they spread their culture and
Speaker 7: their anyways. I know it's just a song, but I
Speaker 7: really do think something like that happened.
Speaker 3: I think that they they.
Speaker 7: Set up like workshops all over the place, and you
Speaker 7: know they did that.
Speaker 4: Theory is confirmed. That's the real problem is like the
Speaker 4: more you know about this stuff and you see how
Speaker 4: it all spread out, it's all these very similar motifs
Speaker 4: being transmitted all the way across the world.
Speaker 1: That had to be that and something that no one's
Speaker 1: bringing up with the Naska mummies, you know, the ones
Speaker 1: that that I don't know. I think you guys did
Speaker 1: a show about the mummies, the three fingered Maska mummies
Speaker 1: that they had these implants, right, they have these implants.
Speaker 1: The pokis, the elongated skulls of Paracas also had implants,
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering is there a connection? And I no
Speaker 1: one has brought that up, but I know I believe it's.
Speaker 1: Doctor Stephen Greer is now down in Peru and he's
Speaker 1: doing testing on the implants. The metal of the implants
Speaker 1: in the Colombian sphere that just crash landed that has
Speaker 1: all that strange writing on it that they've deciphered in
Speaker 1: to have some like message about higher consciousness. He's he's
Speaker 1: going down there with NASA scientists to study the metal
Speaker 1: of the sphere and also the metal of the implants
Speaker 1: of the Nasca mummies. So I would love if you
Speaker 1: would also connect it, if it could be connected to
Speaker 1: the implants in the elongated skulls of the Parakas mummies,
Speaker 1: because it's the same thing. I mean, I saw those
Speaker 1: and when I was in Lima, Peru, I saw the skulls.
Speaker 1: I have pictures of it actually my social media of
Speaker 1: the of the implants in their in their heads and
Speaker 1: their teeth and their the back of their head. I
Speaker 1: mean it's bizarre. I mean implants that are totally healed
Speaker 1: and completely stuck if fused into the bone. It's just
Speaker 1: absolutely bizarre. And I kept trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: would be the purpose.
Speaker 5: Of school voice the skull technology.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's like I mean those earphones now and you
Speaker 6: can buy like, yeah, it's a real.
Speaker 4: Think about the Aztec piercings, right, the Aztecs had piercings
Speaker 4: all over that could have been a memory of that
Speaker 4: same sort of implant.
Speaker 7: Like an homage, right, like something that they had consciousness.
Speaker 5: What if it's their consciousness. So interesting, very interesting, weird. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's crazy cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody were using the.
Speaker 8: Copper for that too, just like connecting like they were.
Speaker 8: They think that they were putting copper on top of
Speaker 8: the mounds over here in North America. And it's a
Speaker 8: similar concept, I think to the tips of the pyramids,
Speaker 8: because the pyramid tips used to be different or coated
Speaker 8: in gold or some substance, and it was able to
Speaker 8: signals and frequencies and all that were able to travel.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, I agree.
Speaker 5: Very interesting one of these.
Speaker 6: I was trying to look while you were speaking about
Speaker 6: the Isosceles triangle because it was driving me insane, and
Speaker 6: so I was just trying to like go down a
Speaker 6: little rabbit hole there. And it does talk about the
Speaker 6: connection between worlds with this representation on occultism, So that
Speaker 6: would make a whole lot of sense if you're if
Speaker 6: you've got you know, something in you to store and
Speaker 6: the connection to the higher realm.
Speaker 5: That was what I was talking about. I didn't know
Speaker 5: right implants, So that's yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The implants are fascinating to me. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear I hope we hear the results.
Speaker 5: You know, you never really agreer. He can't be trusted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a rabbit hole, and we never
Speaker 1: hear anything about it again, and you won't even go.
Speaker 6: You know, they're doing all these big hearings right now,
Speaker 6: and he's like, I'm sorry, I have a sniffle, I
Speaker 6: can't come. And then they showed him at some like
Speaker 6: place where he was taught wucking and they're like, clearly.
Speaker 5: You're not sick, and they just have been doing this
Speaker 5: on and on.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yes, it was very disheartening, but someone Yeah, you
Speaker 1: never know, but most likely we'll never find out.
Speaker 2: Hope you can compare it. It would be great. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: So I hope you do, so you can at least
Speaker 2: compare it to your stuff. That would be great.
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 6: Maybe they'll leak out something and we can run with it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and we can figure it out the hell of us.
Speaker 6: You us, everybody just go on a mission. Yeah, anybody
Speaker 6: out there?
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, did anybody have any other questions? I guess, Well,
Speaker 2: it's almost too hot. Was actually a little longer.
Speaker 5: Than I thought it great, Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: If anything, maybe get you back on in the future.
Speaker 5: Put down a rabbit hole with your ice aucles triangle.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, I was really surprised to hear as much
Speaker 2: as I did, and I was surprised how much I
Speaker 2: guess you were into other things that we talked about.
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely. So yeah, anytime, I'd love to come
Speaker 1: back on. Yeah, it's just fun. It's great speaking with
Speaker 1: you all. You're very knowledgeable, and I appreciate.
Speaker 2: It, of course, No, thank you.
Speaker 6: It's nice to decompress, right with, like you said, with
Speaker 6: other people that get it, because like my family just.
Speaker 5: Looks at me like I have out of my ears exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even try to explain it anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: it's anyway everything I say comes true anyway.
Speaker 5: So there you think, Well, you got a good track record.
Speaker 2: There you go. Sorry, No, you're good, all right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I guess we'll wrap it up now. I'll let
Speaker 2: everybody plug their shows again and then heather on, we're done.
Speaker 2: You can you let everybody know where they can find you, Julia,
Speaker 2: what is up? Please? Let everybody know again where they
Speaker 2: can find you. Amazing work.
Speaker 7: Some asshole also known as my husband is mowing the
Speaker 7: grass right now, so I hope you can't hear it,
Speaker 7: but a cosmic Peach podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. Heather,
Speaker 7: it was so amazing to meet you and to listen
Speaker 7: to your amazing research.
Speaker 5: I was away.
Speaker 3: You kicked my.
Speaker 7: Ass today, loved it, loved every minute of it. Thanks
Speaker 7: so much, Nick for letting me be a part of
Speaker 7: this one.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah no, this was again, like everything that you
Speaker 2: just said was mind blowing. And thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: And tell Kolby, I said, what's up? And I miss him?
Speaker 6: Hi, I will, I'll tell him he's an asshole for
Speaker 6: Juliet No, just kidding. No, I am Heidy, love of
Speaker 6: the Unfiltered Rise. I'm everywhere podcasts are served. I'm happy
Speaker 6: to be part of the occult rejects. Happy to be
Speaker 6: here as always. And Heather, you were just fascinating. I
Speaker 6: appreciate you so much, Thank you, thank.
Speaker 2: You, Thank you very much, Heidi for joining it. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. And we got Tim Constantine from sixth Century
Speaker 2: Podcasts what was going on?
Speaker 1: So yeah, hey, happy to be here again.
Speaker 8: This was great. My podcast, sixth Centsury Podcast is on Spotify, app,
Speaker 8: with YouTube and Patreon. Thanks Nick, thanks all the other
Speaker 8: rejects here. Everybody brought something awesome to the table, especially Heather.
Speaker 1: Heather, thank you.
Speaker 8: This was great.
Speaker 2: Thank you yeah, definitely, thank you very much Tim for
Speaker 2: making it. I was excited when I saw you pop up,
Speaker 2: so I appreciate it and we got Headless Giant.
Speaker 4: You can find me in just a little while. We're
Speaker 4: gonna go live on the Headless Magical mail Bag. If
Speaker 4: you have a scary or occult story, or if you
Speaker 4: have a mall dream, if you've got a dream about
Speaker 4: a mall that's like post apocalyptic, I want to hear
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: You send me an email at.
Speaker 4: Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Yes, Headless Giant Podcast. That's it. There's
Speaker 2: no ciphering, no just decrypting anything steady. Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: Neflix and finally, Heather, please again, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Like everybody said, you blow our minds. There was so
Speaker 2: many things I did not think we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about that we did and it was amazing and we
Speaker 2: got to have you back on in the few CUCA. Heather,
Speaker 2: please let everybody know where they can fund you.
Speaker 1: Stuff great. Thank you so much, You're so great. Being here.
Speaker 1: Please follow me on all social platforms at Heather l Arnold.
Speaker 1: And if you are coming to Aruba, I know someone
Speaker 1: coming to Aruba. I do give tours and you can
Speaker 1: contact me on my social media. My tour company is
Speaker 1: called Ancient Aruba Tours.
Speaker 2: Awesome and thank you again so much, and thank you
Speaker 2: all for joining me as well. And that is the
Speaker 2: end of another record reject until the next one. Everybody
Speaker 2: be well later.