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<v Speaker 1>What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, we're going to pick up where he left

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<v Speaker 1>off with day number one of the Tyler Robinson prelim

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<v Speaker 1>hearing transcripts. Judge Tony Graff, all right, thank you, And

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<v Speaker 1>mister Gernander as it relates to that, are we anticipating

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of that coming up very soon in regards

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<v Speaker 1>to publishing potentially exhibits, Grunander, not real soon, but today certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>I would anticipate Judge for the court's information. We anticipate

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<v Speaker 1>presenting four witnesses. They're all law enforcement witnesses. Officer Chris Bagley,

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<v Speaker 1>he's now with Spanish four Police Department. He was with

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Valley University Police Department. He'll be the first witness.

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<v Speaker 1>The second witness will be Agent David Hole and those

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<v Speaker 1>exhibits seven eight nine we anticipate coming in through him.

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<v Speaker 1>The third witness will be Agent Brian Davis again with

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<v Speaker 1>the State of Utah, a case agent who's here presently.

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<v Speaker 1>And lastly Sergeant Jennifer Fomina, also the Utah Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Public Safety, and we do anticipate admitting between forty and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty exhibits judge Graph, thank you all right, mister Grunader,

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize you walked away before I got my questions out.

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<v Speaker 1>If we anticipate taking a break around ten thirty, do

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<v Speaker 1>you anticipate any potential exhibits for publication being requested prior

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<v Speaker 1>to ten thirty? Grunader, I do, Judge the judge? Okay, Grunader,

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<v Speaker 1>I do I think the first several exhibits would be published?

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<v Speaker 1>Judge graph, all right, well, let's do it. I want

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<v Speaker 1>our preliminary hearing to move smoothly and with the least

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<v Speaker 1>amount of delays as possible, So let's take a brief

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<v Speaker 1>break to allow the placement of that monitor, a brief

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<v Speaker 1>test to make sure it's working, and then we can

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<v Speaker 1>be seamless moving forward. Grunader, one quick question, Judge, for

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<v Speaker 1>a council's benefit, are the monitors at the tables going

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<v Speaker 1>to be turned on? Judge Graphs. The monitors are. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I wanted to give that instruction early on

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<v Speaker 1>for each party to monitor the monitor, because if the

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<v Speaker 1>camera is doing a wide, sweet picture of the court room,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't prevent an accidental capture. Obviously, the Decoramortar anticipates

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<v Speaker 1>not focusing into the point that it's focused on your monitors.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to ask all parties to be mindful,

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<v Speaker 1>especially as it relates to the sensitive material that may

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<v Speaker 1>be published or may not. But please take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at that and be mindful of that. But I'll leave

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<v Speaker 1>it to you. So I believe it's important that all

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<v Speaker 1>parties see what it is before the court. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you have objections, it's right there. You can say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I see what the court's seeing. I have an objection

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<v Speaker 1>or not, or just to confer with your client. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to make sure that there is no misunderstanding

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<v Speaker 1>of what's being presented to allow all parties the benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of the record, and it's clear what's being presented to

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<v Speaker 1>the court for consideration as evidence. Thank you, Chad Grunader.

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<v Speaker 1>And we do have one exhibit that will be in

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<v Speaker 1>physical form, so we will be used using the easel

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<v Speaker 1>I think is just over by the jury box. Judge

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<v Speaker 1>graf all right, thank you, mister Grunander. Before we break,

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<v Speaker 1>I do wish to remind the parties that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a prelim hearing. It's a probable cause standard, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you could keep that in mind as you're presenting your evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not intended to chill what you present, but

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind that the standard is probable cause and

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<v Speaker 1>that is what the court, as a magistrate will be

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<v Speaker 1>looking at. All. Right with that, how much time do

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<v Speaker 1>we need for the placement of the monitor? Bailiff inaudible.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Graph, all right, well let's break for six minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's actually let's make it easy on ourselves. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>come back at nine thirty five and we'll resume court

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<v Speaker 1>at that time. So they leave, and now they're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Graph, please be seated. Court is back in session,

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<v Speaker 1>noting the presence of counsel and the parties to the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready to proceed? Grunander, Yes we are, Judge,

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<v Speaker 1>but prior to calling our first witness, I would like

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<v Speaker 1>mister McBride to make a brief report on discovery updates

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<v Speaker 1>and and then just inform the court that the state

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<v Speaker 1>has provided copies of all exhibits for today's proceedings to

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<v Speaker 1>the defense in advance of this hearing. Judge Graff, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>mister McBride. Mister McBride, yes, your honor. My report at

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<v Speaker 1>the last hearing is the latest report as of June eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>we had provided approximately one hundred percent of material in

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<v Speaker 1>our possession. Over the last week, we've received additional material

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<v Speaker 1>from SBI due to preparation for the hearing. Those materials

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<v Speaker 1>have not yet been provided, but they will be as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as this hearing is complete. Judge Graff, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense require the benefit of the record. Kathy Nester, No,

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<v Speaker 1>your honor. Judge Graf, thank you, Miss Nestor. In case

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<v Speaker 1>the mic didn't pick it up, she declined, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Turning to the state, you can call your first witness,

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<v Speaker 1>Chad Grunader, your honor. The state calls Officer Chris Bagley.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Graff, Officer Bagley, if you'd like to come forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks like he's being brought into the court room. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Bagley. If you wouldn't mind coming forward past the

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<v Speaker 1>lectern and being sworn in. He gets sworn in, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Bagley. If you wouldn't mind having a seat at

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<v Speaker 1>the witness table, And after you're situated, to your left

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<v Speaker 1>is a bottle of water, And if you wouldn't mind

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<v Speaker 1>bringing that microphone toward you to ensure that it picks

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<v Speaker 1>up your voice. Richard Novak, Yeah, can you hear that,

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Graf I can. Thank you, mister Grunander, your witness,

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<v Speaker 1>Chad Grunander, thank you, your honor. Good morning, Sir Richard Novak,

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Chad Grunander. Will you please state your name

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<v Speaker 1>for the record and spell your last name Bagley spells it?

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<v Speaker 1>And how are you employed? I'm employed with Spanish for

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<v Speaker 1>Police department as a police officer. Question what's your position

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<v Speaker 1>and your rank? Answer just a senior officer. Question senior officer? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>how long have you been with the Spanish Fork Police Department?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer about five months? Question five months? How long have

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<v Speaker 1>you been a police officer? Answer twenty six years? Question okay,

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<v Speaker 1>will you briefly describe, for the court's benefit you're training

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<v Speaker 1>what you did to become a police officer? Answer? I

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<v Speaker 1>did the Utah Post Academy, which is about six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>hours of training for basic things to become a police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>report writing, arrest control stuff to that effect. Question when

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<v Speaker 1>you say Post Academy is POST an acronym? Answer it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Question what does it stand for? Answer? Peace officers standard training? Question? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you certified through POST? Answer? I was? Question okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And what did the certification require answer going through the

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<v Speaker 1>post and graduating all the academy, all the credits that

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<v Speaker 1>you could get up with the hours and then physical

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<v Speaker 1>fitness stuff to that effect, and then graduating from that

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<v Speaker 1>to earn the certificate. Question was there also testing involved? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>There was question at the academy? Answer yes, question okay,

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<v Speaker 1>were you employed in September of twenty two, twenty five?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer I was question and where were you employed? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer Utah Value Police Department? Question and how long did

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<v Speaker 1>you work for the Utah Value University Police Department? Answer

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<v Speaker 1>five years? Question five years? Okay, and you recall what

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<v Speaker 1>your position or your rank was there? Answer a senior

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<v Speaker 1>officer there. Question senior officer, okay, describe it if you

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<v Speaker 1>would just your general duties as a police officer at

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Value University. Answer, they're at Utah Value University. We'd

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<v Speaker 1>patrol the campus. We'd walk around, we'd patrol, we would

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<v Speaker 1>do investigations if there was a crime to that effect.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd make sure that students or staff if they needed something,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be there for them. So basic police kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like school resource officer, you know, community based policing. Question Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a full time position. Answer it was question, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>did you work in law enforcement prior to UVU? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>I did? Question and where was that worth? Answer? I

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<v Speaker 1>worked at Utah Valley or sorry, Utah County Sheriff's Office

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<v Speaker 1>four thirteen years. Before that, I worked with Springville City

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department for six years and also with the Salt

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<v Speaker 1>Lake County Sheriff's Office for a year. Question what were

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<v Speaker 1>your positions with those departments? Answer at varies. I did

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<v Speaker 1>K nine, I did SWAT, I did motors, Senior officer,

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<v Speaker 1>FTO officer detectives. Question Okay, while you're at Utah Valley University,

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<v Speaker 1>did you have access to the video surveillance system on campus? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>I did? Question and how so? Answer? It was at

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<v Speaker 1>our desktop where our police station is. We have deaths

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<v Speaker 1>and on our desktop we have access to it there.

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<v Speaker 1>Or we'd go into dispatch and they'd have a wall

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<v Speaker 1>full of camera systems that we could look at. Question

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<v Speaker 1>how familiar did you become with that system? Answer A

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<v Speaker 1>very familiar question? Can you describe how you became very familiar? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, it was one of our daily routines

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<v Speaker 1>that we'd go in there if we were looking for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody or tracking something back. We'd go in, we'd go

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<v Speaker 1>back to that timeframe. We could trace somebody, track somebody

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<v Speaker 1>through campus. I'd also turn around make sure maps so

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<v Speaker 1>it was easier for dispatch or somebody to click on

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<v Speaker 1>an area in this campus where the buildings were and

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<v Speaker 1>be able to click a little bit easier and get

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<v Speaker 1>a faster response. So I made some maps and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Question and how often did you use the system?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer every day? Question Okay, did you become familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the campus at Utah Valley University? Answer yes, sir, question

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<v Speaker 1>when you were working there? Answer yes, question and explain

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<v Speaker 1>how you became familiar with it. Answer Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>We'd walk around. I would train other officers. We'd make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that we knew all the ins and outs, the

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<v Speaker 1>back doors. We'd make sure we knew where every classroom was,

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<v Speaker 1>where every entrance and exit was. We'd secure the building.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd patrolled the neighborhoods. We'd patrol around campus, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we also have offside campuses that drive to and make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that they're secure. Also question, okay, you mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>you patrolled the neighborhood. Answer yes, question surrounding campus answer yes,

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<v Speaker 1>question what about the neighborhood to the north of the

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<v Speaker 1>East campus. Answer yes, question okay, what was your purpose

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<v Speaker 1>for patrolling those neighborhoods as an officer of UVU. Answer one,

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<v Speaker 1>it was right next to UVU, so we patrolled it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people would run up in that area or be

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<v Speaker 1>so we'd go into the area look for stuff. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>with orm police department, we'd back them up quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit for other calls, and a lot of it would

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<v Speaker 1>be in that area. Question okay, so back up just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. So Utah Valley University is located in

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<v Speaker 1>what city? Answer? Or a Utah question or a Utah okay.

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<v Speaker 1>How familiar did you become with buildings on your campus?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer A very familiar question and the walkaways answer a

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<v Speaker 1>very familiar question. You mentioned the entrances and exits to

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<v Speaker 1>the buildings. Answer yes. Question what about parking structures? Answer yes,

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<v Speaker 1>question same answer for that answer yes. Question Okay. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you familiar with the courtyard or the outdoor amphitheater on campus?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer I am question and generally speaking, where is that

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<v Speaker 1>located on campus? Answer it's more of the central it's

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<v Speaker 1>so it's in the center of campus pretty much. Question Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>can you describe what it looks like this courtyard, this amphitheater. Answer,

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<v Speaker 1>in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up where we left off. All the information

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<v Speaker 1>that goes with this episode can be found in the

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<v Speaker 1>description box.