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Speaker 1: What is up, Fela Sikos, I am Dan Favali coming

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at you with my certified fantabulous He has lost ten

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percent of his body fat while gaining fifteen pounds of

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muscles since we last recorded, not even over the offseason,

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but since we last recorded. Co host mister Grant Hughes,

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every single NBA media day is in the books. Training

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camps are officially open, so we are going to talk

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about takeaways, questions, observations, and we're excited to anyone who

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joins us since we kind of just threw this up,

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not randomly, but we warned you, but we didn't schedule it.

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We threw it up. So if anyone's here has comments,

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we might try to get to them in the chat.

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But first, before we talk about a new NBA season beginning, Grant,

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give me your five best Giannis trade. I mean, Grant,

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how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm jealous that Caitlin Cooper the Goat made the

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joke already of just like to announce that I'm in

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the exact same shape of my life or some version

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of that. It's like, yeah, we're all We're all there.

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I did you feel like there was a lot of

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best shape of mine. We will get to some players

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that grew allegedly. That's fun.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's hype watch now it's not muscle.

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Speaker 2: And then skinny watch for a few people. Yeah, it's

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I've I kind of feel like baseball does an even

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more egregious best shape in my life spring training thing

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than the NBA does. Really yeah, oh, it's just like

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every it is the same thing. Everyone's fifteen pounds of muscle,

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which is like physically impossible, Like it just over a

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three month span. It's like not even like you'll do

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that two years. That's incredible.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that even but the only sport would

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make some sense but even it doesn't is the NFL's

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off season is forever, right, and that's the one where

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it's But even that is just that's such a short

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amount of time to pack on ten pounds.

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Speaker 2: Can't do it. Can't do it.

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Speaker 1: I could back on ten pounds in just a couple

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of days. It won't be muscled though.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty easy. Yeah, I mean that it's the way

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you eat. I don't know if people know about what

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you're capable of, but.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah we should. That would be that would be

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a good live show is we're podcasting and I have

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Speaker 2: Post or something that's paywall. Yell, let's just start, Dan,

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Let's go to uh some Golden State Warriors slash Al

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Horford stuff. Great question posed by you. Is he legally

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allowed into Chase Cinrio? It's funny like the verbiage Chams

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had Horford, Melton, and Peyton all in some order. The

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verbage was like have agreed to or have are prepared

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to commit to and just basically not saying they've signed

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because they can't because the kaminga thing is hanging over everything?

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Was your read on this? Is this too cynical that

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my read on this? The timing of this being leaked,

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Warriors are gonna get when everything settles, was just kind

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of like them projecting to coming and his management that like, hey,

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things are happening, man like with or without you, we're

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just over here getting business done. You know, come back

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to the table when you're ready. It felt that way

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to me a little bit, because like this has been

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known forever and now like the you know a couple

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of days before the October first deadline for qualifying offer

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stuff this comes out, it felt it felt deliberately timed

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Speaker 1: I think that you could be right. I actually didn't

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read it that way. Initially. I thought it was more

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so they were going to announce the minimum signing so

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that these guys could be at training camp, although we

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didn't hear about Seth Curry yet, and I thought they

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were kind of doing a solid for Al Horford to

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not the optics not be oh, you're this valuable free agent,

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but you're still just floating around unsigned on the market.

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more sense, But yeah, it's it's just hysterical. And also

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the way that things are getting worded, like when you're

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reading reporters or listening to them on TV, the amount

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of hedging that goes on, it's like a quadruple negative

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signing with the Golden State Warriors or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I mean it's that. And then

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posts that he writes are written. And I'll just say

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he deserves it because they don't make a lot of

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Speaker 1: So it was if his writing was put through the

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team of editors that reads my work, I just I

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lot of the words there. So that's just rough stuff

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Speaker 2: So these aren't like an answer to the question, is

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Al Horford legally loud in the Chase Center? I don't know,

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because I don't think he's technically on the team yet, right, Like,

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I guess he could be like a guest. He probably

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needs a guest pass and has to sign in at

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security at this point. Let's assume this all gets done

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and the cominga situation resolves somehow in which he's still

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got like just a shred of proof of concept for

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Melton last year he started a couple of times. Who

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knows what the acl but the Horford fit in particular,

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like that's that's great, right, Like there's no other than

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he's old and the whole team is old, but like

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it's kind of a perfect fit.

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they need to overtax him because of how important it

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and Draymond Green, and then assuming Jonathan Minga is in

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the equation, this is just a fantastic fit and they

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can run certain offensive actions through him too, especially if

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Steph is off the floor. It's once it becomes official,

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I think it becomes one of the best signings of

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the summer. But the other thing here is, just like Grant,

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when is the Jonathan Kaminga situation actually going to end?

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is October first, which is when his qualifying offer would expire.

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don't know at that point for the Warriors, it's okay,

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so we'll just not let Al Horford like be with

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the team for training camp and learn our core tenants.

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I don't, I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: But my guess was always that Kuminga's side has known

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forever like which of the available offers they were gonna take,

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and they were just gonna take it to October first,

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no matter what. That's not that's just my that's just

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a guess. That's because like I don't I don't understand, Like,

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it's not like there's been any movement really, right, we

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got this like, well the Kings are interested, and then

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immediately it was like but also no traction, So like

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there's never been a change in circumstances over the course

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of this thing. We know what the offers are. There's

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three like basic ones on the table from Golden State,

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and like there hasn't been any negotiation for a long time.

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get done one way or the other. It is true

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that this deadline could be extended, but I think from

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the Warriors perspective, it's just like we got to get

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guys in camp and kind of get started, right, So, like,

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like what what do you what do you do? Like

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does Kaminga just remain a free agent and not play

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what the what the endgame is?

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Speaker 1: What have your thoughts changed on what you think is

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the either most likely outcome or the best deal, the

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best middle ground deal for the parties that are Like

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we know all these things that are on the table,

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the three minus one, the the one plus one he wants.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't it feel like maybe the two year the

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straight two years kind of feels like the middle ground

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because the it you gotta admit, like the Warriors are

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playing very hardball by insisting on a team option, and

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Speaker 1: Plus waiving the implicit no trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The team option is not something that you

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typically see. I don't think you see that often with

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the player like at this age and at this like

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sort of state of his like contractual life in the NBA.

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of years ago because he's older and who knows what

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the Rockets want to do, and or it's like I'm

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trying to think of other notable team options, Like the

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player option is by far the more common thing, especially

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so I don't they're not gonna I don't think they're

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giving him a player option, And if I'm him, I'm like,

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the team option does feel like a little like aggressive,

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five or whatever it is that I don't know that

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that'd be my guess as of today. But I haven't

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Speaker 1: Andrew will It says always spacing at the five with

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mentioning Quinton Posts beat us.

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Speaker 2: The Quinton Post mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Can't overtax alif Post is playing forty, numbers on Quinton

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Speaker 2: I mean nine point four three point times per thirty six,

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Speaker 1: Picking up the team option was arguably the single best

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Speaker 2: This argument here you want to move on to the

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Speaker 1: This seems like it's just gonna end with him signing

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a balloon one year payment, now, right.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you think?

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Speaker 2: I haven't even less like cogent grasp of what is

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happening with this one, because the offers from the Sixers

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just just someone in the front office like snorted a

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laxative pill and then just went like, let's just through

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this out as a stab in the darks to see

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with a straight face or a serious tone. However, it

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was sent out there, which is why because it's been

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confirmed now by like two or three outlets, I sort

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of wondered, Oh, they're gonna take this to October first.

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who are banged up anyway, Quentin Grimes at least, like

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new free agent they're trying to hammer things out with,

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that signed his qualifying offer or got like a real

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multi year deal, and now I just kind of think

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that they're going to sign him for like, I don't know,

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sixteen or eighteen million bucks on the one year deal,

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and then the team that trades room can just hope

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that one hundred and twenty percent raise off that would

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to negotiate this with the intent of trading him now?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, at this point you've maybe pissed him

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of if the relationship wasn't wrecked, it sort of is

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now because of how these negotiations have gone, so you

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because I guess he's a little bigger than the other

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wings they have, but they do have edgecomb, they do

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have MAXI not a wing, and they do have well

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I guess maybe McCain's thumb injury now is maybe makes

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crimes look a little more important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing that's interesting too is I like,

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do they not want like are they hoping to trade

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him eventually while getting out of the tax. They're sub

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two million dollars below the tax right now without him

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on the books, so they have plenty of room beneath

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the aprons. They're nine point eight below the first apron,

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which makes me wonder, like, is that what they were

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trying to accomplish with the four for thirty nine is

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staying under that? Or they're twenty one point seven below

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the second apron, and so this team's expensive is injured.

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It's a wild card. I don't I thought the lack

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of concrete offers we had heard almost made me think

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that this was the situation. We didn't need to give

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a ton of critical thought too, that they're just gonna

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figure it out. And it turns out that behind the

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scenes this might actually be At least it seems there

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appears to be some type of back and forth between

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the Warriors and Kaminga. But if your Grimes and his

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representation like four for thirty nine, even as a joke

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or's a starting point, is it's insulting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I agree, I think, and I'm try to

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pull the comments up here. James notes, like three teams

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have traded Quentin Grimes. Is there something we don't know

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that we're kind of there now?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Because it's like, based on how he played down the

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stretch last year, he's not a sub ten million dollars

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a year player unless it's there's just something going on.

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I mean, like the market is kind of dictating this,

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giving the Sixers the ability to play things this way.

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But it is also to the point where it's like

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that the offers are so low that it's like, what

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is happening with him that we don't know about?

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Speaker 1: Right? The thing, when he was with the Knicks, we

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know he wanted the ball more, and so maybe that

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was the impetus if like that is the one you

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look at and say, oh, was there was there a

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cardinal sin happening there? Because with Detroit he was kind

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of injured. So I don't know what you were supposed

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to glean from that, and they trade him over the offseason.

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Then with the MAVs, I thought he played fine with

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them last year. They didn't want to pay him, which

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is why they moved him, And then for the Sixers

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to know that and to acquire him and then still

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offer for like they could really be trying to play

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up their leverage on the restricted free agency market. But

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you knew he was going to restricted free agency. You

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knew the reason he didn't want to be in Dallas

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or Dallas was trading him was because he was about

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to get paid. So I just don't I'm not really

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sure what they're trying to do here, And I guess

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it's not that I thought they viewed him as a keeper.

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But if you are open to signing him for a

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one year deal, like you've just pretty much decided that

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you're not going to bring him back after this season, which,

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as you laid out, you have McCain, you have MAXI,

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you have Edgecomb. Is that is that the flat like

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the Flashbowl moment is them drafting Edgecomb? Is kind of oh, like,

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what is Quentin Grimes's role here moving forward? Maybe that's

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how reviewing.

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Speaker 2: This, I think that's the possible ability let's get to some

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other sixer stuff here, because there's I mean, unfortunately, there's

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a fair amount to talk about. We already mentioned Jared

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McCain's thumb. Paul George says he's got plenty left in

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the tank, but still recovering from offseason knee surgery. Between

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him between Embiid having no timeline, Like, is this a

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gap year situation in your opinion or can you really?

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I mean, last year, I was kind of the mind that,

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I mean, circumstance has changed over the course of the year.

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But like my sort of basic summation of the sixer

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situation was, like, you have Joel Embiid. He was an

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MVP like months ago at the time, So you can't

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do a gap year, and you just spent a quarter

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billion on Paul George, Like, this is not a gap

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year situation. Circumstance has sort of forced it to become one,

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and they wound up with Edgecomb because of it and

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some luck. You can't do that again, can you? Like

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you can't this. You have to just you have to

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try to win as many games as possible.

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Speaker 1: I think because their pick that they owe to okaysee

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has top four protected it takes a gap year off

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the table. But my question would be, are they going

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to be healthy enough to not be forced into an

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involuntary gap year.

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Speaker 2: Then it's not a gap year in that case, it's

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just like it's a lost Maybe it's a it's a

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lost year or something. We need a different term for it.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that isn't shouldn't the expectation at this point. Okay,

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Paul George isn't gonna be ready. Jewell Embiid was in

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the six Ers his first practice, but there's no timeline

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for his return, and I would think maybe I'm wrong.

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You don't treat his return if it's imminent like a

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guarded secret. You would want to shout that from the

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rooftops to get kind of the good hype that comes

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with it. So the McCain injury, what the hell is

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going on with Quentin Grimes? And if you sign him

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to a one year deal, you're planning on trading him?

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And how much do you trust Edgecomb's a rookie, so

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maybe he's really good right out of the gate, but

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if you're playing him, there's gonna be some type of

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learning curve there. And they have dudes. I would say

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in this roster, but you don't trust most like you

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like Kyle Lowry's on this team still, okay, Kelly Bridge

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Junior is there, there's Andre Trump. It's just this is

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a weird. It's I'm the whole thing comes back to

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Ken Joell Ebiid be healthy for what for the Sixers

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for you to feel good about? The Sixers is a

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regular season team in terms of seeding. How many games

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does Joel Embiid need to play.

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Speaker 2: In bare minimum fifty? Like, okay, it has to be fifty.

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Speaker 1: I just let's assume he hits that. We've still never

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seen him healthy in the playoffs. But if he can

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get like their whole thing I used coming into last year,

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as I'm stumbling through my words, I was at least confident.

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I thought they'd be able to navigate life without Joel

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Embiid because of Paul George, because of Tyre's maxim. I

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was very high on the Paul George signing. I like

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the the cole Cody Martin signing, kayleb Martin signing. And

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now it's just it seems like their entire plan is like, well,

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maybe we'll get lucky and Joel Embiid will play in

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fifty games and be seventy five percent by the playoffs,

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because I don't see the theory of this team without

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that happening, and even that, to me just feels like

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a very lack let I don't know if you've listened

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or read any of kind of like the preseason prediction

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like no one is factoring in the sixers is a

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real threat, which is kind of insane, But also you

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stop and you really think about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, isn't isn't the right read on them?

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Like the regular season, they can't prioritize the regular season,

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So the only way this works out well for them

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is if they somehow avoid the play in and magically

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their main guys are healthy enough for like a sustained

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playoff run. The problem is, like EMBIID has had much

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healthier starts to seasons and then not held up for

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a full season in playoffs. So it's just like the

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even the like, Okay, this is the hard way to

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get it done, seems unrealistic just because in easier times

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EMBID couldn't do that. So yeah, I don't think you

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can newsplash. I don't think you can consider them a

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real contender even if we all agree that, like, well,

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if all their best players are healthy and on the floor,

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they can beat anybody, Like if Embiid and Paul George

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and Tyres Maaxy and just throwing all the other supporting

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players you mentioned are like as close to one hundred

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percent or whatever one hundred percent is for them at

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this stage, Like that's a really good team, like and

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be it. It's still a problem if he's but it's

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just like you can't you can't count on that. It's

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not you. It's just not realistic.

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Speaker 1: So quick exercise. Which team wins more games? The Sixers

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or the Celtics.

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Speaker 2: Uh, well, I think I have to say the Sixers

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because I I think the Celtics might be like if

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they're if the Celtics are over five hundred, I think

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I'm surprised. But the Sixers, I could see them going

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forty four to forty five wins and like that's that,

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you know, maybe that's like an upper middle outcome for them.

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Speaker 1: Sixers are the pacers.

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Speaker 2: Sixers, I think the Pacers are going to be like

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mid to low thirties.

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Speaker 1: Sixers are the heat.

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Speaker 2: I think I still picked the Sixers again, Sixers are

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the raptors. See, I just did win totals, so this

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is unfortunate. I'm really gonna stay. I know exactly how

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many games I think. I think I said the Sixers

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will win more, so I'll stick with that Sixers or

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Bucks Sixers, although that one's really close.

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Speaker 1: I think, Wow, you have a you have a lot

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more trust in the Sixers than I do.

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Speaker 2: But I think I don't think they can win fifty,

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you know, like in the regular season. That seems impossible.

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But all the teams you mentioned I have in like

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the mid thirties to the like low forties.

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Speaker 1: Regulator says, a healthy droll and Beat is the best

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player in the Eastern Conference. In my opinion, I think

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there's a fair case to that's a fair case to make.

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I just when you know the backstop of the health stuff,

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I don't know why you would ever pick him over

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Yannis at this point, just in that conversation, I couldn't

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get there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Giannis still has to be on top

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of that list. What else we got here, I think

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that's enough for the Sixers. Let's get to the Boston Celtics. Here.

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Incredible like clips out there of Jason Tatum doing workouts

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and stuff, and like I think he, you know, nobody

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totally shot down the idea that like or nobody really

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put out there the concept that he's gonna come back

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this year. I think it was more accurate to say,

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like he's not ruling it out. He's also just kind

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of keeping it open ended in the whole one day

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at a time recovery thing, like pretty pretty interesting. I

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think for him to be not quite dismissing the possibility

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of coming back this year, is that just him being

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a really great competitor and things have gone pretty well

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so far, so he's optimistic or is that just like

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I don't know, we're trying to not lose a bunch

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of season ticket sales, Like how do you read the

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Tatum optimism at this point? And for that matter, part

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B should Boston want him to play this year? Or

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should they? Should they be the one saying like, nah,

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this is a twenty six, twenty seventh thing.

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Speaker 1: I The my read on it is that the Celtics

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having told him he's sitting out the entire year, then

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because why would you come out and say any unless

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he's trying to subliminally put pressure on them, which again

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I don't know why he would do. I think this

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is more so your first part of the answer, which

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is Jason Tatums comes from the Kevin Durant mold of

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seems like he just really wants to hoop and always

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wants to play. And I think, even innately as a competitor,

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unless your team tells you you're definitely not playing next season,

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that the hope is gonna be you can get back.

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And I will say, though I don't know like any

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of the science behind it, the videos. I try not

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to get hyped up about videos. With the videos of

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him just running like yeah, that was and the gate

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looks a little off, but still like how many months

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he had he had surgery with him basically twenty four

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hours of the injuries, So how many months were moved? Five?

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Speaker 2: It's five months, I think he said today, which is like,

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I mean, he's he's not halfway done, not even close

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to halfway back, right like, because it's if assuming like

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just under a year is like I mean, like Adrian

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Peterson is the one that always gets cited as like

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that's an incredible recovery. I forget his was like eight

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months or no months like NFL players do make it

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in less than a year. I don't know why that is,

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but this needs to be a year. I just you can't.

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You can't do this.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there's an Andrew Willett Celtics fan here?

475
00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,519
I sure hope he doesn't play. He is moving insanely

476
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,119
well though, But do you think there could be value

477
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,680
in everyone's talking about? Yeah, why would you want to

478
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,799
bring him back? Like when the playoffs are just starting up?

479
00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:23,599
As if the Boston Celtics are going to be firmly

480
00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:26,039
in the playoff mix. And I think the moves they've

481
00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:29,519
made over the offseason telegraph that, not that they're actually

482
00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:31,519
gonna try and pivot away, but that there I would

483
00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:33,759
be shocked if there's not some maintenance program for Jalen

484
00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:35,599
Brown and Derek White, in which case you're not going

485
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,200
to be firmly in the playoff mix. You don't think

486
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,920
there's value in kind of do you remember what Paul

487
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,480
George did in Indy a while ago, came back for

488
00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:44,599
like five games? Do you think there's value in getting

489
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,920
that just gameplay under your belt.

490
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,559
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that exact thing, like, I do

491
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,279
think it takes the pressure off the season opener of

492
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,960
next year, if he comes back and plays once or

493
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,400
twice or something. I think I do think there is

494
00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:04,480
value in but not nearly enough value to be like, well,

495
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,680
it's like touch and go. We think he's okay, Like,

496
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,759
it can't be that. He's got to be like he's

497
00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,759
one hundred and twelve percent back and you're just gonna

498
00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:13,559
do it. Like, it can't be. It can't be like

499
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:14,759
a chancy thing.

500
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,799
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't. I think even if you were

501
00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:19,400
going into the playoffs, you shouldn't view it that way.

502
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,559
But I wonder if it would take some of the

503
00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:24,200
pressure off of the start of next season with that

504
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,440
build up of oh, Jason tATu's playing his first game,

505
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,680
they have to be contenders again. It would still be

506
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,039
there to some extent, But I think I would root

507
00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:32,680
for it because one would just be super cool. But

508
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,480
I also think it might make I don't know what

509
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:36,759
it actually does for him getting the feel of what

510
00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:38,079
it's like to play in a game, but to get

511
00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:41,440
that moment out of the way almost I actually think

512
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:42,319
is a pretty big deal.

513
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,519
Speaker 2: I agree, let's move to another East team here. We've

514
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:51,240
covered some Celtics, so Jannis, Yeah, he is honest, the

515
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,640
biggest troll in NBA history is the question we're answering.

516
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:59,000
I mean, he's up there. So Jamal Collier confirmed Sham's

517
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,160
report that you did like weigh his options, which is

518
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:04,400
that was the money quote early in the off season

519
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,359
of you know, I think I think he was even

520
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,319
like this off season more than ever, Jannis is prepared

521
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,759
to weigh his options. Jannis made some comments about like,

522
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,519
he's very committed to Milwaukee. He had conversations with with

523
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,640
Wes Edens, and you know, his family loves it there.

524
00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,240
And then because he has COVID, he wasn't at media day,

525
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,359
he was on a zoom call, says he doesn't remember

526
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,599
that conversation, and kind of the thrust of this was

527
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,079
like he wants to win a championship. It can be

528
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,960
in Milwaukee or it can be somewhere else, and he's

529
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,400
gonna evaluate his like path towards that title every off season.

530
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,599
It's so it's very much like, Okay, so he's back,

531
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,400
but also is just very much looking around still, which

532
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,880
like I don't know, first of all, how do you

533
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,000
feel about that stance in general? And then maybe the

534
00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:53,920
second part of the question is how do you feel

535
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,440
about him like broadcasting that all the time. Like I

536
00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:58,519
just I don't know.

537
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: I still like he's feeding the machine on purpose a

538
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,119
little bit. Just but yeah, I don't have a problem

539
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,000
with him saying it's kind of I understand how people downplayed.

540
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,799
It's just the reality of basically every superstar situation when

541
00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:14,400
you get deep, like once you get past that second

542
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,839
contract to where there's you're on your rookie scale, we

543
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,799
know how extensions work from there after that. I feel

544
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:22,400
like that's kind of what you're doing. It's just evaluating

545
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,920
year by year, especially because free agency doesn't freaking matter anymore.

546
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,640
I just I'm actually still laughing at the way ESPN

547
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,799
even framed the report from Jamal cars like Shams had

548
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,880
to be tagged in the tweet referencing his previous report.

549
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,880
This wasn't Jamal Collier confirming this was Cham's was right,

550
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,000
and I'm just one he caught so much crap for

551
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,799
it that Giannis was shopping around only to return to Milwaukee.

552
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,759
I just find it funny that there was clearly something

553
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:50,279
to the effect, like no, we got to like make

554
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,680
everyone know that that Chalms wasn't pulling things out of

555
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,720
his butt, which I think even if you were making

556
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:58,759
jokes about it like I was, you know that Shams isn't. Yeah,

557
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,920
there's you get into the politicking of news breaking. There's

558
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,480
a lot of stuff to talk about there, but you're

559
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,279
not actually making these things up that is not happening

560
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:07,880
at the level of ESPN.

561
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,759
Speaker 2: So, but with respect specifically to Jannis, I got on

562
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:16,440
Kobe about this like years ago when he signed that

563
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:19,279
ridiculous two year At the time, it was ridiculous two years,

564
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:21,640
forty eight and a half million with the Lakers, which

565
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,359
was too much money for them. Yeah, right, And I

566
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,480
was just like, he can't say the only thing he

567
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,240
cares about is winning and then sign a deal that

568
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,839
prevents his team from doing anything else. I don't know

569
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,440
if I'd make that same argument today, just because like,

570
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:36,000
if you're a player, you should get what you can.

571
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:41,480
But for Giannis, okay, all he cares about is winning

572
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,759
a championship. How does he decide looking at the bucks

573
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:50,559
current roster and future situation like no picks, just dead

574
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,759
money of Damian Lillard's contracts on the books forever, how

575
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,920
does he evaluate his situation and decide like this is

576
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,319
actually the place for me to win a championship or

577
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,599
to continue to apply pressure. It's like you can apply

578
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,359
all the pressure you want. The Bucks don't have anything

579
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,960
else to do, Like they cannot build you a championship roster.

580
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,079
So if you're serious about winning another championship is what

581
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,400
you want, you can't look at the Bucks and be

582
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:16,279
like this is one. If you're ranking teams most likely

583
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:19,640
to win the next NBA championship, like are the Bucks

584
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,839
in the top fifteen? Like I don't think so, So

585
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:25,240
like how do they do it?

586
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: So you've just said they're not even gonna be a

587
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,759
top six team in the East.

588
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,559
Speaker 2: By saying that, then well you tell me how a

589
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,599
team with Giannis, Miles Turner and a bunch of minimum

590
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:40,240
guys and Kylakusma that can't get better? Like realistically, how

591
00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:41,160
is this gonna happen?

592
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: Well, so two things is that One, I think that

593
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,279
there's a not insignificant chance that he does this to

594
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,960
keep other teams on the hook and then they're not

595
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,920
going to act, and by extension, that does help. I

596
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,680
just won't rule it out.

597
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: I don't Okay, you think I don't know.

598
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: So that'd be a plus gamesmanship. I'm not saying that's

599
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,000
what's most likely in this situation. Specifically, I think that

600
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,240
they sold him on the idea of you get to

601
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,920
be point you honest for a season, let us show

602
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,680
you the infrastructure we have around you, and then we

603
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,480
can trade three first round picks next summer, and that's

604
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,240
when we will go big name hunting again. And then

605
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,319
if they don't make good on that, that's when he

606
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,039
almost gets moved without having to ask to get moved.

607
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:25,079
It's you know, they've mutually decided to part ways, like

608
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:29,160
they couldn't figure something out with that said, I do

609
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,920
agree with you that I don't think publicly outwardly facing,

610
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,079
he can't say the Bucks aren't contenders, though ken he

611
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:38,960
would be, you'd be giving him shit for that. We're

612
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
not gonna win this year. But I'm pretty I don't know.

613
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: I I think some party would be like, well, at

614
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,440
least he understands the situation. Uh No, I I don't know.

615
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:52,039
It always I always kind of bump on the idea

616
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,160
of like, yeah, of course, he's just he's playing the

617
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,359
game like he's trying to make sure his team knows

618
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,640
like you don't don't take me for granted, which I

619
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,839
don't think certainly the Bucks are not, Like the Bucks

620
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,759
have bent over backwards to just like at every step, like,

621
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,200
what do we gotta do to give this guy the

622
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,920
supporting casting needs and to broadcast to him that we

623
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,160
want to win now because of you, which is what

624
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,720
you should do when you have a player like him,

625
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,160
and especially after he's won you a title already. I

626
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:21,160
just I have a hard time like and if and

627
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,759
if it's he likes living in Milwaukee and doesn't want

628
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:25,839
to change teams, like that's great. I think he should

629
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,000
do that, like just stay put if you're comfortable there.

630
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,000
But I don't think this you can't sort of have

631
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,480
it both ways, Like you can't. You can't just constantly

632
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:35,640
put the chance the championship pressure on a team that

633
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,880
can't like meet that pressure.

634
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,519
Speaker 1: So do you think this situation is gonna end up

635
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:41,519
being messy? Then at the end of all, is that

636
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:42,119
where you're.

637
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:42,839
Speaker 2: I don't know.

638
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't.

639
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:45,279
Speaker 2: I think the Bucks are happy to have him, and

640
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,440
I think he's happy to get to keep like re

641
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,599
establishing that he is the singular driving force of this franchise.

642
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,240
And I don't know, I don't think it's gonna get messy.

643
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,720
I just like you can't You can't say you just

644
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:58,480
want to win another title and then be like, I'm

645
00:29:58,519 --> 00:29:59,480
staying with the Bucks.

646
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,319
Speaker 1: Here's my thing, though, couldn't you I'm just trying to

647
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,519
play Devil's advocate here is couldn't you look at the

648
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:08,039
rest of the East and say, Tatum injury, Halliburton injury,

649
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,440
the Calves have been banged up and wilted the past

650
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,240
three playoff runs. Isn't there an element? And then the

651
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,160
Sixers are just implosive? Is there not an element of

652
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,960
anything as possible in the Eastern Conference, especially if you're Giannis,

653
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,039
one of the three best players in the league. Is

654
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,160
it to think that way? Here's the probably the other thing.

655
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,720
Where were you gonna go that would have guaranteed you

656
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,119
a significant better chance at winning a title? That was

657
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,079
also realistic because you could say the Warriors, you could

658
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,680
say the Knicks, But like, those are the teams and

659
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:40,839
there are other teams, like those are teams that didn't

660
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,599
have the trade packages to give Milwaukee that wouldn't kind

661
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:45,359
of screw them over. I guess the Warriors had a

662
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:49,279
real package, but it wouldn't okay, Sorry, Jannis on the

663
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:53,759
Spurs would they have better title equity in a conference

664
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,599
that has the Oklahoma City Thunder than the Bucks do

665
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:57,079
right now in the Eastern Conference.

666
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: No, but well I don't know, probably not, but you

667
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,960
could at least be like, oh, he's the next five

668
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,559
years talk about anything could happen if you hitch on

669
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,279
with Wemby, Like I could at least see the vision there.

670
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,240
But I think you're right to point out like I'm

671
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:20,160
projecting what I would be thinking about my situation if

672
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
I were honest. The thing about Giannis and players like

673
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,559
him is that, like, no, the reason he is where

674
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,039
he is is because he believes he can do anything,

675
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,920
and he's sort of been proven right several Like, you know,

676
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,640
he's been an MVPs, won a title, so like he might,

677
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,519
he might actually think that he can do this with

678
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,759
the Bucks, and that way of thinking has gotten him

679
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,799
a long way. So maybe maybe that's the problem. Is

680
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,839
I'm thinking what me, a normal person would be thinking

681
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,160
in that situation, with my level of self confidence versus his,

682
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,759
it's a little bit different. You're ready to move on, Yeah,

683
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:56,200
let's move on to some Kevin durantok Here. Basically, we

684
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:57,880
need to know when he's going to sign an extension,

685
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,480
because he did say today at Media Day that he

686
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:03,400
sees himself signing an extension but does not know when

687
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,599
that is going to happen. If he does, this is

688
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,359
worth noting. He can sign for more if he waits

689
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,799
until the six month window has passed, after being by.

690
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,839
Speaker 1: A total of two. But it's between two or four

691
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,799
million dollars is.

692
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: The difference, which which maybe I don't know, maybe that

693
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,200
matters him, but that would be that would run counter

694
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,559
to some of the whispers we've heard since he got

695
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,119
there that like it might not be a full match extend.

696
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,279
Speaker 1: What I was thinking is and that's why I find

697
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,559
the absence of one notable. I don't think it's damning,

698
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:32,119
but I also don't know what it tells us when

699
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:36,200
you have all of these reports or just harbingers of oh,

700
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,119
he's going to take less than Okay, waiting the six

701
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,200
months doesn't matter because he's not trying to prioritize every dollar.

702
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,599
And if he is trying to prioritize every dollar, I

703
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:45,240
think if you're Houston, you probably still have to do

704
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,119
it in a short term enough that you navigate it.

705
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,079
But that's not ideal when you're looking at your roster

706
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,799
structure moving forward. Am and Thompson is going to be

707
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,400
extension eligible after this year, Tari Easton the extension of

708
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,160
eligible right now, and Shanengon's on his deal. Jabbari's deal

709
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,240
will kick in next season. So I kind of assumed

710
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:03,680
he was going to end up at like two for

711
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,720
one hundred, and now I'm just sort of I'm I'm

712
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,119
just clocky. I don't think it's anything sinister, but I

713
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,720
do find it notable that he hasn't signed one yet.

714
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:13,839
Speaker 2: It is it's just hard to parse. I don't know

715
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:17,000
what the reason for that would be. Let's talk some

716
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:23,079
other rocket stuff here. This idea of floating that they

717
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,279
might play the biggest lineup of all time with Am

718
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,960
and Thompson, Kevin Durant, Alprin, shan Gun Jabari Smith, and

719
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,319
Steven Adams. As a as an avowed small ball lover, Dan,

720
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,720
first of all, this must make you sick to your stomach.

721
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,759
You must hate this just with every fiber of your being.

722
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: This isn't affront to what basketball is supposed to be,

723
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,960
which is just a bunch of six foot tall.

724
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: People should not play basketball. I've said it a thousand

725
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,240
times I think you're right about it.

726
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,839
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of Rockets fans doing the whole Well,

727
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,680
they played like so and so here last year. This

728
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,720
isn't a far departure. I'm like, they played forty posessions

729
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,920
last year with Amen Thompson at the one and Jabari

730
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Smith junior as it would be three. That isn't and

731
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:02,599
I still want to see it. I don't have a

732
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,359
problem with this. I just I have no idea what

733
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,359
it looks like on offense. I would argue that the

734
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,199
only way they survive is on the Like is that

735
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,519
even a transition line up? You have Aman Thompson, So

736
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,119
maybe the answer is just yes.

737
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: The transition player that might r on his own. This

738
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,440
is so, this is part of a trend, right Like

739
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,960
with Dallas's big the Thunder can play too bigs. The

740
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Clippers can have a big front court now because they

741
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,159
have John Collins and they have Brook Lopez with Vita

742
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,320
Zubats like I don't especially we have to mention Read

743
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,760
Shepherd Andrew when we talk about this.

744
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,199
Speaker 1: He should be playing center. That's how basketball was meant

745
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,159
to be played. Is someone who looks like a plumber

746
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,199
jumping center.

747
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: JJ Reddick understands I want to get I want to

748
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,760
get to the question we have here on the video

749
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,559
on a second, but like more broadly, how is how

750
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,199
did this happen? I thought, I like, we've come a

751
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,880
long way from Roy Hibbert be becoming unplayable overnight and

752
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,239
going through the pace in space and the five out

753
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,360
and the Rockets and the Warriors, and like Daniel Tye

754
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,280
being a viable like six foot nine starting center on

755
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,599
some good Celtics teams, like and Bam being a Finals

756
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,639
starting center because he can guard all five positions and everybody?

757
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,440
How did we get here? Like what has happened strategically

758
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,840
that has allowed big ball to like just be a thing?

759
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: Now? Like what happened?

760
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,599
Speaker 2: I don't understand that.

761
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm honestly let me take you on. Please let us

762
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,519
harken back to the The year is twenty thirteen. I

763
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,599
believe one of the most the sagest, the most saged,

764
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,559
one of the wisest people ever to coach the game

765
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,119
of basketball said, the East is big man Mike Woodson

766
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,079
saw coming and from there here we are. You fast

767
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,800
forward another twelve thirteen years. Look where we are.

768
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: I really do think the Knicks could have been vindicated

769
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,639
by pairing Eddie Curry and who it was Eddie Curry?

770
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,760
And was it Tyson Chandler at the same time? Did

771
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,800
they get both of them together?

772
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: And I remember no, stat and Chandler. That wasn't the

773
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,280
Eddie Curry? Who was Eddie? Who do they it is?

774
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,599
Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas was in charge of another Nick's luminary from

775
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:09,920
the past. I can't remember now, But yeah, I don't

776
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,280
understand how.

777
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: Well don't you think I have a real answer. Don't

778
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,719
you think it's because they're trying to capitalize on a

779
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,840
market inefficiency. If you're gonna try and come at us

780
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,960
with not a lot of size, that we're gonna try

781
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,519
and punish you with a ton of size to where

782
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,159
we're gonna be able to gum things up for you

783
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,480
offensively and in some of these instances, okay, our offense

784
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,000
won't be pretty, but we'll be able to feast on

785
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:34,760
the offensive glass. And I do think there might just

786
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,440
be an element of aman Thompson is just basically like

787
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,320
a new species.

788
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:43,599
Speaker 2: So that that's kind of the most persuasive thing to me,

789
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,320
is so cause it used to be Okay, you're going small,

790
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,039
we'll get bigger and then small will just win because

791
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,960
maybe because teams just weren't sophisticated enough about how to

792
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,519
defend lineups that space the floor, and they're just better

793
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:58,360
at it now, like they know who they can leave.

794
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,719
They understand like we're gonna concede above the break threes.

795
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Those are fine, We don't care. We just can't like

796
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,280
naturally there's a pendulum swing. But even that doesn't satisfy

797
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,280
me as much as like, well, now there's just Aman

798
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,519
Thompson's and there didn't used to be I'm and Thompson's

799
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,800
and so that's like that solves you can't you small

800
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,559
ball doesn't work against him, that they're like being able

801
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,639
to play Adams and shan Gun together and winning like

802
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,719
with offensive rebounds and slowing the game down. That I'm

803
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,280
still trying to wrap my head around, yeah, because it

804
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,079
just feels like this happens so quickly. And I wonder

805
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,119
if what would be really exciting, especially for you about

806
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,960
small ballover is if there's another swing back and it's like,

807
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,559
guess what, you can't play one big anymore, forget about two,

808
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,159
Like it's just everybody has to be six seven or

809
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,519
something like that. Maybe we swing back that way, I

810
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:46,320
hope that'd be fun.

811
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,519
Speaker 1: And your point gets more weight because it's not like

812
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,760
we have a bunch of Evan Mobley's running around out

813
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,239
there where you just look and say, Okay, there are

814
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,400
these guys that are size like bigs, but they can

815
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,519
play on offense with the ball in their hands like

816
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,000
guards or wings the time. I mean like there's like

817
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,679
Jabbari Smith Junior might be one of those types of players.

818
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,679
So yeah, the fact that we're here with you're looking

819
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,079
at a team that will legitimately be yeah, we'll play

820
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,199
Kevin Durant at the two or is Jabbari two? And

821
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,280
that's who cares it's and that gets into while we're

822
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,679
getting rid of positions or I just there's also a

823
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,920
chance that like do you think small ball just becomes

824
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,320
this misnomer because people realize they couldn't replicate the few

825
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,840
teams that were able to do. Who came closest to

826
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:27,679
mirroring what the Warriors did.

827
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: It was the Rockets. Yeah, PJ. Tucker at the five

828
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:34,400
and then wings around James Harden and like, honestly they

829
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,719
should have been they should have probably made a finals

830
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,320
with that team, But nobody else is you're right, nobody

831
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,679
else is really I struggle to think of who really

832
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,559
has come. I guess, like, I mean, the Celtics Thunder

833
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,559
when they're injured, the Thunder when they're injured. Sure, Al

834
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:51,280
Horford if you consider him like a smaller five. I mean,

835
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,039
the Celtics won a title with with kind of two

836
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,280
guards to two wings and Horford, but like they had

837
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,280
Porzingis and that's I don't I don't know. Yeah, maybe

838
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,079
that's just like, well the Warriors kind of did it,

839
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:03,880
and that's the reason we think there was a small

840
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,559
ball revolution.

841
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: Which model do you think? Do you think that that

842
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,559
is the harder model to replicate too, to where that's

843
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:12,199
the bigger anomaly. Then let's just go find like two

844
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,559
to three massive human beings that don't necessarily fit the

845
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,719
positional ideals, but well they're gonna gum things up anyway.

846
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,760
We'll slow things down and just be absolutely huge.

847
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it should be harder to get

848
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,159
away with playing Draymond Green at center on a title winner. Oh,

849
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:30,679
it seems like that should be harder.

850
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,639
Speaker 1: To do, right, Yeah, so it's harder to find that

851
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:34,400
player is.

852
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go find big guys and teach them

853
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:39,280
this defensive scheme that seems to work. I don't know,

854
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,920
and just how hard is it to go be like

855
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,239
we need to get every offensive rebound that that seems

856
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,760
doable with less skillful or rare players.

857
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,599
Speaker 1: I will say that, and I know Kyrie is gonna

858
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,480
come back at some point. But the MAVs seemed to

859
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,800
be the team that is they're like really pushing this

860
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,760
bill on how much it works, because you could say

861
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,239
the Rockets too. But the idea of Reed Shepherd Fred

862
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,119
van Fleet before he I got injured in Kevin Durant

863
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,480
like there are shooters on this team and they get

864
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,480
to the MAVs and it's like, nope.

865
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: Nope, all right, let's get to let's see oh we

866
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,039
uh oh, yes, the West is growing. I'm glad we

867
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,239
hit this one. Derek Lively says he's seven foot two

868
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,800
or seven foot three. If you're gonna come out and

869
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,800
say you grew, I'm gonna need an exact number. I

870
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,960
would just like to put that out there. We can't.

871
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,679
We can't. Let's not so. Victor woman Yama maybe seven

872
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,800
foot four. What do you make of this? Is this

873
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,679
actually a real thing or is this just like because

874
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,800
everybody got shorter for a minute there when the NBA

875
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,239
started measuring without shoes and using those official measurements. Is

876
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,440
this just shoes or back? Is that the Is that

877
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,320
the issue? Or are these guys actually getting taller?

878
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,159
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know, but I think I read somewhere

879
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,800
that like it's very rare, this actually happens even though

880
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,800
these guys are super young at this age. I will, however, say,

881
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,920
speaking of new species, you can tell me anything about

882
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,920
Victor women Yama and I will just believe it. Right, So, honestly,

883
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,159
in my mind, seven foot four, he might have shrunk

884
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,000
for all week they kind of they came. He came

885
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:03,800
into the league, and everyone was so scared that he

886
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,280
was seven and a half feet that they were lowering

887
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,920
is lowering his height. Now they're gradually gonna bring it

888
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,800
up each year as people get more comfortable with the

889
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,519
idea of this seven and out half foot human being

890
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:13,360
dominating the.

891
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: League's easing us in. That's that's what this is. I

892
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,360
feel like it's just.

893
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:19,639
Speaker 1: Just do it. After another year where he didn't play,

894
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:21,920
like where his season was cut short this time with

895
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:27,239
the DVT. But do you do you believe it like

896
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,400
I don't. And also, what is the value in lying

897
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:29,920
about it?

898
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:36,159
Speaker 2: Well, that's the question, right, what do you gain? Especially

899
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,719
for if I were Derek Lively, I'd be like, actually, guys,

900
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,039
I'm six five now and I hear you need guards,

901
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,199
so you're gonna I think he needed to go the

902
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,800
other way, because that's that's the ticket to minutes. I

903
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,920
would say. On a Dallas team that already has several

904
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,280
players that are too tall.

905
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,639
Speaker 1: I believe I think I thought when we were seven

906
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:54,119
ft five one, but you know what that sounds. That

907
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,800
sounds small. I think that people were uncomfortable with the

908
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,599
height and they thought it meant that he was going

909
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:00,519
to be injured a bunch and not not play. So

910
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,519
over time we will finally know Wemby's true height, and

911
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:05,920
when he's eight foot three inches after being the weak

912
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:09,039
for like a decade, or he's still growing. He's thirty

913
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:10,320
years old, but he's still growing.

914
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: You want to get to the Utah Jazz here.

915
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, I want to know what is I want to

916
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,000
know how much validity on a scale of one to

917
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:19,679
ten are you placing it? Because I don't know the

918
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,199
value add of lying. But this also just seems.

919
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: So I'll say seven point two to seven point three

920
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,320
is how much validity I give it just to stick

921
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,360
with Derek Cleveley's height.

922
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: Nice good job there. Uh this is I forgot to

923
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,960
include this on the outline, but h Cooper Flagg mentioned

924
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,840
grant that he obviously obviously was the word he used,

925
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,000
wants to win Rookie of the Year. Can anyone just

926
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,400
what is the pick if it's not Cooper flag.

927
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:47,559
Speaker 2: Man?

928
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:50,039
Speaker 1: So real?

929
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: So this is like, is it Cooper flag or the

930
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,440
field or do I have to give you like an

931
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,480
actual cause? Like I mean, Harper is the obvious pick,

932
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,840
just especially now that as we'll get to eventually here

933
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,440
deeron Fox has a hamstring issue to go with recovering

934
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,239
from offseason finger surgery. I guess I can't remember if

935
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,679
it's the off season at the end of last season

936
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,079
when he had it, But I don't think Harper's gonna

937
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,559
have a big enough role, So I don't know, what

938
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,119
do you guys? It's not Edgecomb same issue, like kind

939
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,920
of a positional glut there, although maybe the I don't know.

940
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure doesn't it couldn't it be like Ace

941
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,519
Bailey or I could see, uh say Trey Jones. That'd

942
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:29,280
be weird as trade Jones win Rookie of the Year

943
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:33,159
Trey Johnson. Those those feel like the two to me

944
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:34,199
Johnson might.

945
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,039
Speaker 2: Get might get might score enough, Like since who's gonna

946
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,280
do it on that team, that could be a possibility.

947
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,679
I could see that. Man, I don't know. Bailey feels

948
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,599
like he's gonna average sixteen points but might shoot under

949
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:50,639
forty percent from the field. Like, I just don't think

950
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,880
you're winning Rookie of the Year that way, Like what

951
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,039
flag would just have to not would have to get hurt.

952
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:56,559
I feel like for a season like that to win

953
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:58,599
Rookie of the Year. And let's let's not speak anymore

954
00:43:58,639 --> 00:43:59,719
about that possibility.

955
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: No, we will move on. Wait, I hope you didn't

956
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,119
jinx it. Everyone bookmarked this.

957
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I said, I said, I won't talk about it.

958
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:11,360
So Walker Kessler not a restricted free agency stalemate thing.

959
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,159
We've talked about this a little bit, but do you

960
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,360
think so We've talked about why, like the Jazz, he's

961
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,239
extension edible eligible. He has not gotten a rookie scale

962
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,360
extension yet, despite the fact that he's one of like

963
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,519
two actual NBA starters on this team. Laurie Markten is

964
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:28,039
the other one. He was famously paid a couple off

965
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,119
seasons ago, or it seems like one hundred years ago.

966
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,159
It was it last year, whatever, what is time? Dan?

967
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:35,280
I couldn't remember when Daring Fox had surgery. You think

968
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,079
I'm gonna remember marketing it. So he admitted today that

969
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:43,039
he was frustrated with the lack of extension. I'll give

970
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,639
you the full quote here from Sarah Todd of The

971
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:48,679
Destroy News. Kesler said, I know today's media day, so

972
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,800
I was assuming I'd get a question like this about

973
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,880
the extension. So I just want to say I don't

974
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,960
want to talk about it after today, just because I

975
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,360
think during the season, tomorrow's training camp, it's the start

976
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,639
of the season. I don't want it to be a

977
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,519
distraction from me or my teammate. That being said, I'm

978
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,960
definitely a little frustrated with how you know, I don't,

979
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,280
But regardless, I love Utah, I love the fan base,

980
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,280
I love my teammates, I love the coaches, and as

981
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,079
long as I have Utah Jazz Jersey and I'll play

982
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,440
winning basketball. Continues to say all the right things.

983
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: Well, one, do we think he's going to recall this

984
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,599
conversation about loving Utah. Maybe his family's happy there. Ryan

985
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:23,920
Smith should maybe get this recorded just in case.

986
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: Works it works for you, honest. So the reason he

987
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,719
doesn't have an extension is because his cap hold can

988
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,800
be kept artificially low. It's the Tyre's Maxi situation that

989
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,280
the Sixers kind of correctly I think handled seven years ago.

990
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,800
Just since I'm getting all the time frames wrong. When

991
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,159
Tyr's Maxie was was.

992
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:46,159
Speaker 1: Like or four cbs ago, I think, yeah, yeah.

993
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety nine.

994
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,679
It's just it makes sense for the Jazz. The Jazz

995
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,159
don't gain anything and extending him other than making him

996
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,480
not frustrated, so they can wait, utilize the flexibility brought

997
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,039
about by his lower cap hold, and then pay him.

998
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,840
I don't think he's wrong to want to get this

999
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,880
done because he's eligible, but I think he must also understand,

1000
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,000
like why this is happening. I mean, what's your read

1001
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:09,320
on it?

1002
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got to understand, But I also wonder how

1003
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,360
much of it does he believe because his name has

1004
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,360
been in rumors and whether it's the Jazz that have

1005
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,599
put them there or not. If you sign an extension. Yes,

1006
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:22,599
you could still be traded, but it is so much

1007
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:25,960
harder to trade him, and so he probably wants the

1008
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,760
stability of knowing he might be in one place for

1009
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,360
a full season. And I totally get it, but this

1010
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,280
is just this stuff is collectively bargained like, this is

1011
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,199
the reality of playing in the NBA, and we get

1012
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:37,280
why the Jazz are doing it. And look, there's also

1013
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,199
probably an element of them that wants to say, well,

1014
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,280
how much is this player worth? If he's going in

1015
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,199
there and asking for double his cap pull twenty eight

1016
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:46,840
thirty million dollars a year, whatever's going to be his

1017
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,400
rim protection is transformational, but he's still I know he

1018
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,559
was jacking three's last year, but I think they gave

1019
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:54,280
him the license to do that so that they could

1020
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,400
continue losing. We don't know what he looks like necessarily

1021
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,159
on a capslock winning basketball team. It might be just

1022
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:03,159
something to where if he was willing to sign something

1023
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:04,880
like if he went in there and said he'd signed

1024
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,920
for twenty million dollars a year and they weren't gonna

1025
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,599
sign him to that, they were out of their minds.

1026
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,239
And so it's probably just the number he wants. You

1027
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,880
can't bridge a gap to where it makes sense for

1028
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,639
the team to Yeah, we'll raise your cap hold, but

1029
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,760
we are still rolling the dice. It's interesting that he

1030
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,320
said he was frustrated and boy if maybe maybe it's

1031
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,039
Utah so this won't be an issue, But like he's

1032
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,360
got to go to Los Angeles four times a year,

1033
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,400
you don't think they're gonna ask him, but like, this

1034
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,000
is not the last time you're gonna be asked about

1035
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,559
this extension, buddy. Between now and February, you're gonna be

1036
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,559
asking about your future in Utah A bunch yep.

1037
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,079
Speaker 2: I mean it's look considering how little else there might

1038
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:42,000
be to talk about with this team this year, and

1039
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:44,920
as things continue to spiral like this is all, not

1040
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,639
only will he asked about, He's gonna asked about it,

1041
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:50,280
like increasingly often, because like if you're frustrated now, like

1042
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:53,199
what happens after the next like zho to fifteen run

1043
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,000
like that, it's just gonna be the main thing to

1044
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:57,039
talk about this.

1045
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: I was just going through the comments out regular so

1046
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,199
it'd be funny if a NET one Rookie of the

1047
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:05,639
Year now, yeah, it's it's also like, well, you took

1048
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,559
five first round pick So maybe it's expected, like that's

1049
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,679
that's what it should be.

1050
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that we don't think there's anyone on

1051
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,320
that team with it, well pick one right now, which

1052
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,559
has Yeah, that's right, the right answer.

1053
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: He's he's did. You're you're already grinding film for when

1054
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,760
we do the nets look at in like a week.

1055
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,760
I you know it, well very quickly. Do you think

1056
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,599
Walker Kessler is still on the jazz past fit like

1057
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:30,360
into the summer next time?

1058
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I do, because I do.

1059
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,639
Speaker 1: They're so hard to trade, they make so little money,

1060
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:38,760
and if they're about it, it's like, what do you

1061
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,119
give up?

1062
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree, and I think he really is.

1063
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,719
I think they do view him as a core piece.

1064
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,239
He's certainly the closest thing they found among all their

1065
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,800
young guys to a four piece.

1066
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Unless you're just penciling Ace Bailey into that, which I mean, fine,

1067
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,119
he is the closest.

1068
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: Thing they have to a cornerstone, which is kind of

1069
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,800
a it's it's kind of a problem. But but that's.

1070
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: Where that could be part of the hesitance of well,

1071
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,440
how much do we want to commit to anybody long

1072
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:05,199
term when we don't know And now that Austin Ange

1073
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,079
is there. Maybe he wouldn't have done the renegotiating Excheglowery,

1074
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:09,880
because you could say, the pushback to what I just

1075
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,519
said be like, well they paid Lowry, and my pushback

1076
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:14,480
to that would be and look how that turned out?

1077
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:14,840
Right now?

1078
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair. Let's talk some Memphis Grizzlies here. The

1079
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,360
big story here, Jack Landale, very important player all of

1080
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,360
a sudden, because well not all of a sudden, because

1081
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,920
we knew some of this ahead of time. All the

1082
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,440
big guys are hurt, Zach Edy off season ankle surgery,

1083
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:37,079
Jared Jackson junior toe, Brandon Clark knee issue. None of

1084
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,159
those three will be ready to start the season, So

1085
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,679
Zach Cleman says getting Jack Landell was a priority for US.

1086
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,840
I guess. I mean, anytime you can can give major

1087
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,239
minutes to a guy who's most famous for having several

1088
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,800
non guaranteed years on his last contract, you gotta do

1089
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,320
it right. You gotta lean on that guy.

1090
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: I just want to know how bad behind the scenes

1091
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,480
is it to deal with Jay Huff that a team

1092
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:03,079
that is so down bad in its healthy center rotation

1093
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,760
that they just traded him for a second round pick.

1094
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,400
We're talking about like Miles Turner three point zero right here,

1095
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,079
and they just gave him away. I hope people sense

1096
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:12,840
the tongue in cheek tone on that last part. This

1097
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,960
is kind of insane, right, like in the fact that

1098
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,400
he had to go on me. He's like, yeah, like

1099
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,599
jack Landill was a priority, and it's like I immediately

1100
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,440
questioned everything else about this franchise by a factor of

1101
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,000
thirteen percent more where it's like, what Cedra Cowhard really

1102
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,440
like a good idea to go in and trade for

1103
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,679
that is such a it's such a bad predicament for

1104
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:35,320
them to be in.

1105
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,199
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just I don't know what else he

1106
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,239
can say. Well, I just don't say jack Landill is

1107
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,119
a priority. Say say jacqu Landell is he's gonna be

1108
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,840
an important player for us at least the outset this season.

1109
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:48,480
We're glad we.

1110
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Have him, something like we're glad that Santi al Dama

1111
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:52,280
can play thirty plus minutes.

1112
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: There you go, Well, yeah, you could say we're gonna

1113
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,480
look at some some some real back to small ball.

1114
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,519
I mean, like Aldama at center is terrifying to offensively,

1115
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,039
but like, I don't know, I think I might look

1116
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,480
a little harder at something like that. Get Gigi Jackson

1117
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,199
out there more often, just to have some size and

1118
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:13,280
athleticism like Landelle. That's like a break glass in case

1119
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,280
of emergency situation, not someone you prioritize getting because he's

1120
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,760
gonna play a huge role when.

1121
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:19,679
Speaker 1: We do our win totals, which they're coming up, and

1122
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,760
join our discord and I'll probably post it on the

1123
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,920
YouTube community. But join our discord if you want to

1124
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,559
be part of our over under competition. When I miss

1125
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,679
on the Grizzlies like I have been for six or

1126
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,079
seven years run I think it's six six years running,

1127
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,960
it will it won't be Typically, I feel very strongly

1128
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,480
about my take this time, I'm gonna miss while equivocating

1129
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,000
because I have no idea what to make of this

1130
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:40,800
team right now.

1131
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 2: That's good. You gotta try something different with the results

1132
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,679
you've been getting, so at least just this the mental

1133
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:52,360
approach will be important. Will Orlando be a dribble handoff

1134
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,400
oasis with Desmond Bain? So Bain said he's excited to

1135
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,039
do more of that kind of stuff, and they've already

1136
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,519
been working on it in Orlando Memphis. To not to

1137
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,519
do so much of that last year. Nor did Memphis

1138
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:06,920
at screens had the fewest dribble handoffs in terms of frequency. Uh,

1139
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,840
they had been in the top ten a couple of

1140
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,159
years ago for two years running. Actually, so uh, I

1141
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:16,800
don't know like that Memphis offense, man, Like, is there

1142
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,039
it ever been anything that was more interesting that everyone

1143
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,280
immediately decided sucked and they hated and they're never going.

1144
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: To do it? Was revolutionary at one point, and then.

1145
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: Then I was most interested in all for Ben Taylor

1146
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,480
video on it for thinking basketball like yeah, so well,

1147
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,960
first of all, we've been not critical, but we have

1148
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,199
and others have pointed out like Desmond Bane great edition,

1149
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,719
Tyas Jones great addition, is there enough spacing and offense

1150
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,840
like still in Orlando? So thoughts on the dribble handoff stuff,

1151
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,400
like is that is that a workaround for for some

1152
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:53,559
of the restrictions this roster still has offensively?

1153
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,039
Speaker 1: I think it could be and I know a lot

1154
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:58,880
of people might cite it for Paolo Ben Carroll, even

1155
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,320
a Wendell Carter junior, But isn't like you could use

1156
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,400
Franz Wagner in that action with Desmond Bain as well.

1157
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,480
Might be something worth trying there but I think you

1158
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,480
look at just go back to the Kings teams that

1159
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:12,280
Mike Brown coached. They had some really good offensive peaks,

1160
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,159
and I think you looked at that roster and you

1161
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,599
never felt awesome about the spacing for the most part,

1162
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,079
because what were the shooters really on those teams? There

1163
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,840
was Kegan Murray who was He's never really been a

1164
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,199
count He's had better shooting seasons and again last year

1165
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:28,679
he struggled Daron Fox's jumper. He's had one good coming

1166
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,960
above average. Yeah, right, so I would say, and I

1167
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,320
think look, especially if you can count on a bump

1168
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,400
from like a Palo Bankaro from beyond the arc and

1169
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,360
having Desmond Baine in there, I think it's I think

1170
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,920
it's a potential work around. Now I'm hoping this doesn't

1171
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,639
mean they're gonna slow things down to make sure they

1172
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:45,000
get into some handoff actions because I really want this

1173
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,000
team to play in transition for once. But I'm a hashtag,

1174
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:49,519
you know, I'm hashtag try stuff.

1175
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,679
Speaker 2: Got to how do you think Polo Bankaro felt about

1176
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,639
the acquisition of Desmond Baine.

1177
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,039
Speaker 1: He couldn't believe it. Grant, he was in awe. He

1178
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:00,000
didn't think they could get him.

1179
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: I want to read some of the quote because it's

1180
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,039
kind of it's it's I don't know. I had a

1181
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:05,760
feeling we were gonna make a trade, but I felt

1182
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,159
this is from Josh Robbins of the Athletic. Just a

1183
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:10,039
portion credit where it's due. But I felt like there

1184
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:11,360
were some guys that were kind of up on the

1185
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,199
list who we maybe trade for, at least in my head,

1186
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,239
and Desmond Bain was not one of them. So when

1187
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,480
I heard that one, I was like Desmond Baine, I

1188
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,920
was like your most kids s word, He's a hell

1189
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,760
of a player. I was excited. Obviously, I feel like

1190
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,880
shit has kind of been like like Buddy Heal crashed

1191
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,239
Jimmy Butler's media availability today, continuing their their ongoing bit

1192
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,639
of like pretending to hate each other, and Buddy Heel

1193
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,960
just dropped a ship like in the in the middle

1194
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,119
of the media room. Not literally, that would have been

1195
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:39,599
a story.

1196
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,639
Speaker 1: Uh, everybody dropped another word during his media but that one.

1197
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,519
Speaker 2: Who did? I didn't hear that one, Anthony Edwards did he?

1198
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:50,199
Oh no, yeah, he's making some choices.

1199
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,159
Speaker 1: Like that's that was a whole separate matter. But yeah,

1200
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,079
it does. It does feel like it has shit just

1201
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,000
entered the lexicon of like you could say and we won't.

1202
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,639
Speaker 2: I feel like it's following crap, because crap you sed

1203
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,559
in my house growing up. Crap was right up there

1204
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:06,599
with all the other four letters. You couldn't think.

1205
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: You're really good with time. So how many years ago

1206
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:09,559
was was.

1207
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: That seventy five? I would say? Or to heart it's

1208
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,360
somewhere in the middle. Yeah, I mean, of course paulll

1209
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,320
is excited about getting Desmond Bank. You get a career

1210
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,719
forty percent shooter in there, like.

1211
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,119
Speaker 1: Especially if you thought you were gonna get like Colin Sexton, right,

1212
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:23,079
but something else.

1213
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,159
Speaker 2: You were amped about KCP at this time last year.

1214
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:29,079
Speaker 1: This is such a sad comment from Andrew Dribble. Handoff

1215
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:31,280
are the best I am hope for being the top

1216
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,239
twenty offense.

1217
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,039
Speaker 2: And it's just look, don't some people say dream big?

1218
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:38,719
I think the Magic are dreaming realistic top twenty.

1219
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,599
Speaker 1: Ambition is the enemy of success, it would be.

1220
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,079
Speaker 2: So there, let's go to the Knicks, Dan, because you

1221
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,800
just won't shut up about them. Not really, I feel

1222
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,960
like you almost you want to talk about the Knicks.

1223
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:56,039
Who should the Knicks start? I like this isn't that

1224
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,400
hard of a question for me? I like, I really,

1225
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,599
I just I'm not starting. Mitchell R. Robinson appears to

1226
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:04,480
be the early favorite. However, Mike Brown talking about getting

1227
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:06,840
up a bunch of threes, which his offensive rebounds have

1228
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,320
historically generated. So that's fun. Where are you on this?

1229
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,199
I don't know if i've ever I'm sure I have,

1230
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,679
but like, do you have a firm answer should he

1231
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,639
be the starter or should it just be Josh Hart

1232
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,760
and you take care of Mitchell Robinson's health by managing

1233
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,320
his minutes.

1234
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: My answer is actually neither. I think that it should

1235
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,920
be Deuce McBride. And my reasoning is, before even Mike

1236
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,239
Brown had said what he said about wanting to get

1237
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,960
up forty three point attempts per game, is the whole

1238
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,079
premise of trading for Karl Anthony Towns was five out basketball.

1239
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,119
And even if you have Josh Hart on the floor,

1240
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,440
the rim pressure can be great. The transition stuff is fun.

1241
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,760
Good passer rebounder works defensively. Defenses do not care even

1242
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,119
when he's making threes, and last season he wasn't making

1243
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:53,519
a ton of threes. I just I understand defense matters,

1244
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,599
but you can't build a team around Karl Anthony Towns

1245
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:59,480
as your highest paid player, and really try to plan

1246
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:02,920
unless you have a generational defender around him, which you don't.

1247
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,639
You don't have Rudy Gobert, you don't have Giannis or

1248
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,360
like whoever you want to say. They're like, og, okay, great,

1249
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,599
he's not generational. Lean into offense. Duce McBride comes in.

1250
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,119
That's a true five out and you are ensuring because Grant.

1251
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:19,239
One of the biggest issues we had with Coronthy Towns

1252
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,119
last year or not we but that the Knicks had

1253
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:24,239
was when teams would put smaller players on him, he

1254
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,599
basically disappeared. You think, if he's playing with Mitchell Robinson,

1255
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:29,920
they're not gonna put smaller players on there. They're gonna

1256
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,519
put a center on Mitchell Robinson and another smaller player

1257
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,920
on Towns. And you've you've now invited that because that's

1258
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,159
how the matchup should work because Coronthiy Towns is your

1259
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:42,480
four and so I understand that. Okay, what does the

1260
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:44,719
bench look like if Josh Hart and Mitchell Robinson are

1261
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,400
coming off it? That's where you worry about staggering or

1262
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,079
if you want to care about defense, try and build

1263
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,119
bench lineups that can defend. But I think that with

1264
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:55,199
McBride on the court five out, he also helps insulate

1265
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,079
the two things that he does aside from the five out.

1266
00:57:58,199 --> 00:57:59,960
He would then be someone who could defend at the

1267
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,920
point of attack, which guess who doesn't need to do that,

1268
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,920
Grant mckial bridges. Guess who shouldn't be doing that. Grant

1269
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:07,920
mckel bridges like it. Just to me, it makes too

1270
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,599
much sense, and I think that the only argument against

1271
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:12,119
it would be, well, you don't want to go to

1272
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:14,119
that lineup too quickly, because then how do you build

1273
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:17,880
out the rest of your rotation If we operate under

1274
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,039
the assumption that that needs to be a concern, I

1275
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:24,760
probably might start Josh Hart just because Mitchell Robinson's durability

1276
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,239
over the past three seasons has been basically horrible, and

1277
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,760
so I understand that you can manage minutes while starting

1278
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,880
a player, but if you want him healthy for the play,

1279
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,599
it just seems easier to tamp down a player's minutes

1280
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,000
if you know he's not going to be in the

1281
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:41,639
game for the first five to eight of them. And again,

1282
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,559
then karlinth Towns still has the chance because I don't

1283
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:47,280
think teams will be as gimmicky of throwing a smaller

1284
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,880
player on Towns during the regular season. If he's playing

1285
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,519
next to Heart during the playoffs, yeah, it's different if

1286
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,800
you're playing him next to Mitchell Robinson, Yes, sure, And

1287
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,000
look there were flashes of that duo working in the playoffs.

1288
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,519
I just I'm leaning all the way into into the

1289
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:05,880
offense and I don't It's not that I don't want

1290
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,880
to see the dual big. Look, I like, do you

1291
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,920
feel confident and so you have dual biggs, who do

1292
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,239
you want to be your five coming off the bench.

1293
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,480
Then yeah, you could Stacker call at the Towns and Robinson.

1294
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,960
But if you're gonna start both bigs, having a really

1295
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,480
good third big is inherently more important. Gershon Yabuseli's not

1296
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:23,519
gonna give you much defensively there. He'll give you some

1297
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:25,960
five out lineups. And then so we're just betting on

1298
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,000
Ariel huk Porty being ready. I mean sure, So I'm

1299
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:35,559
actually I'm not saying to start Robinson would be actually insane.

1300
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,239
It I think it's more insane that it doesn't seem

1301
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,639
like starting Duce McBride is even an option within the

1302
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:43,239
Knicks that's my read on it. Anyway.

1303
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I think it's a great idea to just

1304
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,800
make it McBride because I think, I mean heart, the

1305
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,000
shooting thing, it's it's this is he that was an

1306
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,320
issue before it was announced. This wasn't a media day thing,

1307
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,840
but before it was announced that he's gonna play the

1308
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,480
season with a splint on a finger on his shooting hand.

1309
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:03,599
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I mean that wasn't media day thing. He

1310
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:04,639
just kind of revealed it.

1311
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,639
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's right. They had their media day a

1312
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:10,000
couple of days ago, right, they were one of those teams. Yeah,

1313
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:12,800
I just all, I don't I I don't have as

1314
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,719
strong of an opinion about the heart versus McBride thing,

1315
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,199
but like it just to me, it just can't be Robinson.

1316
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:21,119
I just don't, for for all the reasons you mentioned,

1317
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:26,360
and like just the idea that you if you want

1318
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,239
to have the option to play double big, I guess situationally,

1319
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,559
probably in the playoffs for certain stretches, and I think

1320
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:36,159
keeping Robinson supermanaged all year is just easier off the bench,

1321
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:38,280
And I don't think there's huge gains to be had

1322
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:42,239
because when Kat is a four, it's just like what okay? Like,

1323
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,800
what what are you adding? As? I think the best

1324
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,920
version of the Knicks has Kat at the five, Like

1325
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,760
it's just that's that's just how it has to be.

1326
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: Sounds like the Knicks are shorter rotation player who can

1327
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,440
space and defend. Yeah, his name is Justin Champagnie. It

1328
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,559
makes you go out and get.

1329
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,679
Speaker 2: Him, isn't everybody. Let's move on to the Oklahoma City Thunder.

1330
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,119
Here's a couple quick one quick item. I guess here

1331
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:05,840
are the Thunder the most transparent team in the NBA.

1332
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,119
There's just Sam Presty just out here talking about Jadob's

1333
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:15,239
off season wrist surgery, which one concerning, but two kind

1334
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,119
of funny that He's just like, once we get through camp,

1335
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:20,280
we'll see where we are. As with anything, it'll be

1336
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,960
a collaborative decision as when he returns ultimately, yes, feel

1337
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,199
comfortable with him. That is Dan. Do you read that

1338
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,519
as like he can come back in December, We'll be fine,

1339
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,679
Like don't just don't care, right, Like that's where the

1340
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:32,440
Thunder are and they don't need to mess around or

1341
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:33,320
lie about stuff.

1342
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: I honestly just felt like it would be disrespectful not

1343
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,360
to include a media day note from the reigning champions,

1344
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,599
they don't This is the No Notes team and Jalen

1345
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:43,320
Williams talked about how the injury was a blessing in

1346
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,639
disguise that have forced him to be more creative with

1347
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,639
his training. I'm assuming that he's just gonna come back

1348
01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:50,000
with the dominant left hand now or something.

1349
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: It was already good, like it's right, And the.

1350
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,719
Speaker 1: Fact that he was playing with the torn lik in

1351
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,760
his wrist. I know he struggled, but like on the

1352
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,719
court defending, like he was doing some of the things

1353
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:01,679
like off the bounce that he was I just yeah,

1354
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,239
get look, he just made a deep playoff run. Give

1355
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,239
him a little bit of a break. I'm I'm not

1356
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,440
concerned at all. I mean, I won't necessarily say the

1357
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,639
injuries a blessing in disguise. If he comes back with

1358
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:14,280
just sort of I don't know what else could he

1359
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,920
be more creative with. Sure, we could talk about it,

1360
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,639
but this team is just the eleven of ten No

1361
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:22,360
Notes team and Sam Presty's just out here for it's

1362
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,800
not even we know about the injury now, So it's

1363
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,719
not even like you don't need to be transparent, like

1364
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,039
we'll figure it out, guys, why are you asking about this?

1365
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to Lebron. We made it a long

1366
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:35,639
time before we got to Lebron. That's why you should

1367
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:38,199
listen to what we say, because we're not just gonna

1368
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:40,199
start an end with Lebron. We're gonna bury him in

1369
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:42,039
at the past the one hour mark.

1370
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:45,519
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, what's more important figuring out if Jock Landel

1371
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:48,480
can win Most Improved Player or talking about Lebron James's future?

1372
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,119
Speaker 2: I asked him, right, I mean, let's let's keep the

1373
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:55,719
first thing. The first thing so predictably because he is

1374
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,679
going into the season with an expiring contract for the

1375
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:02,639
first time ever basically or not basically. Actually, there's some

1376
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:06,079
speculation as to whether he's thinking about retirement after this year.

1377
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:08,559
There was did you see the clip of Lebron when

1378
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,000
it was on a what is the word? I can't

1379
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,719
think behind the desk basically with with some of some reporters,

1380
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:17,920
and uh, just as they're like going to break said,

1381
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,599
they said we'll see you next year, and he like,

1382
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,519
just before the video cuts, he goes maybe and then

1383
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,119
they all laugh. So that was fun, and then you know,

1384
01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:29,880
says he's not thinking about it. That's Yeah, he knows

1385
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:34,760
he's in those meetings. Uh so's he made comments about

1386
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,119
how his contract situation's not gonna, you know, factor into

1387
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:42,400
how he plays this year. Mentioned the MCL thing. What's

1388
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,760
your take on, like, is this a story or is

1389
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,599
this just like it's Lebron and it's the only thing

1390
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:51,079
to talk about with him. Do you think he's considering retirement?

1391
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,039
Like what what what's your read on his general media

1392
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:54,880
day situation?

1393
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: Well, all that to the first part, I do think

1394
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,000
it's a story just because, as you mentioned at the top,

1395
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:01,800
he's basically unexpiring contract for the or at least doesn't

1396
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,679
have control over the next year of his contract for

1397
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:07,079
the first time and how long. Yeah, But I'll answer

1398
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,519
the other part of the question with another question. Do

1399
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,719
you think that when he does retire, or if he

1400
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,880
was going to retire, is he going to be someone

1401
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,360
who doesn't really announce it or is he going to

1402
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,239
make it just based off maybe some of the ad

1403
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,440
campaigns we've seen from Nike that this is there's gonna

1404
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:21,840
be a lot of pomp and circumstance.

1405
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: I have to believe there's gonna be an announcement and

1406
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,920
then he'll just be you know, they'll be what's like

1407
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,119
ceremonies at every road arena right right.

1408
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, I know that we probably make

1409
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,920
fun of Lebron a lot, and a lot of other

1410
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,960
people do as well. He deserves it, Like this is

1411
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:45,119
just the longevity he has displayed has been absolutely absurd.

1412
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:48,000
And we've reached the point I started getting there, not

1413
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:50,360
really his past season, the season before. At some point,

1414
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,360
I'm really trying to soak in just Lebron the basketball player,

1415
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,280
because you don't. I feel like sometimes we're not allowed

1416
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,840
to enjoy things like we have to we have to

1417
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,719
be cynics on everything, and I understand that to some extent,

1418
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:06,119
Like he's gonna not play anymore and at some point

1419
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:08,960
and it's gonna suck. Like this is no worse than

1420
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,920
the second greatest basketball player of all time, and he

1421
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,480
is to me just the greatest basketball player of all

1422
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:17,920
time because of them, like twenty three. Yeah, like this

1423
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,480
is year twenty three and he just made second team

1424
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:21,039
All NBA.

1425
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: Well, and like the last two that really got me

1426
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,960
we were Dirk and Duncan and and they they had

1427
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:33,559
like sunset phases right in their careers that were very

1428
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:37,000
different from what they were at their apex. Like, so

1429
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,159
to your point about soaking it in, like Lebron's not

1430
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,239
twenty not twenty eleven heat Lebron like that guy that

1431
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,440
of course not, but like his sunset phase is like

1432
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,239
insanely close to like the very the best version of him.

1433
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,239
So like all the more reason to enjoy this because like,

1434
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,440
what he's doing is not how it normally goes for

1435
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:01,679
guys that are like, maybe he'll retire, like compare him

1436
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,280
to like Vince Carter's he was the only other guy

1437
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,039
to play twenty two seasons like end stage, Vince Carter

1438
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:10,440
was not anything close r like apex Vince Carter, Lebron

1439
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:12,519
is like I don't know, if you're watching in standard definition,

1440
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:14,559
you might not know the difference like from a from

1441
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:17,159
night to night. So like that all the more reasons that, yeah,

1442
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:20,440
if he he gets all the flowers, uh for sure.

1443
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,320
I just think I so sorry. I think the retirement

1444
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,840
thing is interesting because what it what it reflects is

1445
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,800
this is the first time that he's not in full

1446
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,039
control of his fate because it used to be, well,

1447
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:39,440
what's gonna happen with Lebron and like what's what about

1448
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,760
this contract? Situation, and the answer was always like, what

1449
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,840
will happen is whatever Lebron wants to happen because he

1450
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,440
has that clout like he deserves it, and so, oh

1451
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:50,199
is he gonna be traded? Yeah, if he wants to.

1452
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:52,599
Uh is he gonna sign a two year extension of

1453
01:06:52,639 --> 01:06:55,079
three year or four? Well, it depends on what he

1454
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:58,760
says he wants to sign. Like that's just that's the

1455
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,840
difference now, is like, because he didn't get another one

1456
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,159
plus one, it's just evident that, oh, this is a

1457
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,519
very new chapter where he's not the most important figure

1458
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:11,119
on his team. He doesn't just get to get whatever

1459
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:14,159
he wants, and so like that is why retirement comes

1460
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:15,880
into play, because maybe he's like, I don't like how

1461
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,000
this feels. I liked it before when I was in

1462
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:18,920
charge of the whole deal.

1463
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,559
Speaker 1: Right, That's a really great point. And the other thing

1464
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:25,920
with this too is the level of just scrutiny everything

1465
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,400
is receiving. Already, there was I saw on social media

1466
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,599
because Luka Doncic did his availability first. It was well,

1467
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:35,320
it's proof that like the Lakers timeline has changed, like

1468
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,320
Luka Docca's and like that's what we're in for the

1469
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:42,840
entire year, and do you think that. I just don't.

1470
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,480
This situation is so weird, right because you saw Rob

1471
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:47,559
Polinka when him and JJ Reddick, I'm sure did their

1472
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:51,960
media availability that they said, we're hopeful Lebron retires here.

1473
01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:55,079
I just I don't even know if he left the Lakers.

1474
01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:56,880
I don't think they're going to trade him unless he

1475
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,199
asked for it. But if they'd make it to the

1476
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,880
end of the season he's a free agent, does he

1477
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,519
try to leave? I haven't even given a thought to

1478
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:05,039
would Lebron ever be the guy that just takes whatever

1479
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:08,000
money to go back to or go to Team X.

1480
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:11,639
I haven't even reconciled forget retirement. I've even reconciled, like

1481
01:08:11,719 --> 01:08:13,719
I just assumed he was going to continue playing. What

1482
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,119
is going to happen in Los Angeles if he does

1483
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:17,279
continue playing.

1484
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I mean. Frame that way. It

1485
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,800
almost feels more likely that he's on a different team

1486
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,640
next year, just because if he wasn't If he was

1487
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,239
going to be on the Lakers next year, why wouldn't

1488
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,000
there be a one plus one or why wouldn't there

1489
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:28,880
just be a straight two year.

1490
01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:32,159
Speaker 1: I'm not offering him a new deal is Yeah, I honestly,

1491
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,560
it probably did get enough attention. We're so far remove

1492
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,279
that was like eight years ago we found out about it. Yeah,

1493
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,359
before we move on, I have a question for who

1494
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:43,520
said who said this quote? Oh agree, you could get it.

1495
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:51,039
It's literally my dad, Bronni James or the twenty eighteen raptors.

1496
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 2: Who would the two thousand and eighteen Uh yeah, I

1497
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,319
think it's both. I think they both have basically said

1498
01:08:56,359 --> 01:09:01,079
something like that. Let's get to the other because man,

1499
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:04,279
this was so this is the first opportunity for Kawhi

1500
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:07,520
to say anything and during Is there a name for

1501
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,399
what's happening? Is it aspiration gate? That doesn't really roll

1502
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:11,000
off the tongue.

1503
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:13,279
Speaker 1: We got to get rid of gate, you know, like gate.

1504
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:16,239
Speaker 2: It is a little outdated. I don't we need we

1505
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:18,760
need to use listener submissions for this. What do we

1506
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:19,159
call this?

1507
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,399
Speaker 1: It's gotta be something with trees or carbon or like.

1508
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,239
Speaker 2: Well, you can work Pablo into it somehow, since he's

1509
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:28,720
like the most important figure in all this. Uh So,

1510
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:31,520
Kawhi said he doesn't pay attention to this kind of

1511
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,279
stuff when asked about it, that he and the Clippers

1512
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,600
didn't do anything wrong. I think he said basically like

1513
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,840
we didn't commit any we committed no wrongdoings or something

1514
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,760
like that. They called it a conspiracy clickbait used like

1515
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,039
basically said journalism and air quotes more or less. So

1516
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,439
just like very dismissive, evasive that I had a couple

1517
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,159
of quotes here that I really wanted to just sorry

1518
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:57,039
before I get to those the latest because this keeps

1519
01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:00,439
trickling out on pabulatory finds. Out reported that Steve Bomber

1520
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,439
donated another one point eight seventy five million to a

1521
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:08,039
charity of aspiration co founder under a different charitable like

1522
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:11,520
charity name same co founder who conned him. This was

1523
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,560
a year and a half after the Clippers ended their

1524
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,720
original deal the Feds were closing in, so there's just

1525
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,279
like more of this stuff keeps coming out. I wanted

1526
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:23,159
to read this specific one to get your take on it.

1527
01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:28,520
So Laurence Frank, Clippers executive, was asked by Ramona Shelburne

1528
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:32,239
whether Dennis Robertson Kawhi Leonard's uncle has ever asked the

1529
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:34,800
team for any extra benefits that would not be permissible

1530
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,159
under the NBA's rules. Frank said, Dennis knows the rules

1531
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:41,199
Kawhi knows the rules, Mitch frankl knows the rules, and

1532
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:44,039
we know the rules. Ramona falls up and says, is

1533
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:47,119
that a yes or a no? And Lawrence Frank goes yes,

1534
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:53,359
we all know the rules, so Dan does That was

1535
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:58,560
a real opportunity to say, uh, nobody asked for anything

1536
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,640
and we didn't give anything, or they asked for something

1537
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,840
and we said no because we know the rules. Frank

1538
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,159
didn't say any of that. Is that the most evasive answer,

1539
01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:11,640
the most like I need to protect my ass legally

1540
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:14,119
like evasive answer you've ever heard?

1541
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,399
Speaker 1: So I'm hearing that quote for the first time. I

1542
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,920
didn't see it. My answer would be yes, but you

1543
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,880
watched it, right, I watched it because you think.

1544
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,199
Speaker 2: So this is a like when you read it, it's

1545
01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:29,520
like that can't be what he said because or it's

1546
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,800
like because that seems so evasive and like smug. The

1547
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,880
video it's as smug and evasive as it looks on paper,

1548
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:42,880
like it's it. It was pretty incredible. And now, in fairness,

1549
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:46,640
I don't know what the what the five minutes before

1550
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,479
that question looked like or the five minutes after I

1551
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,319
read the quote. I sought out the actual video clip

1552
01:11:52,359 --> 01:11:55,880
of Frank answering the questions. To me, it looks as

1553
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,279
bad as it reads, and it's just it was a

1554
01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:02,680
really rough look. And then Kawhi also had a non answer.

1555
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,800
I just because we already referenced it as specifically by

1556
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,520
ESPN if he ever performed any services for what Torre

1557
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,239
reported was a four year, twenty eight million dollar contract,

1558
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,279
the no show contract we've been talking about. Leonard said,

1559
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,960
I don't think it's accurate, but it's old. This is

1560
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,319
all new to you guys. The company went bankrupt a

1561
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:26,039
while ago. Again, just like a non answer, and then

1562
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:30,239
talks about the conspiracy. So it's just like the Clippers

1563
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:34,279
had opportunities to state their case here if they wanted to.

1564
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,920
Maybe they don't just because there's gonna be an investigation.

1565
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,439
But man, nobody's doing anything in terms of like a

1566
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,119
full throated denial.

1567
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: Like that's just from Mark Cuban. I just I can't. Man.

1568
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,920
Katie Heindel wrote a piece or Basketball Feelings about this

1569
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,119
obviously encapsulated my feelings perfectly, and she's so good at

1570
01:12:54,119 --> 01:12:57,840
this aspect of covering the league. Mark Cuban just like

1571
01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:03,039
really pandering to everybody and calling pavloatories reporting just entertainment.

1572
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,560
Is It's just so. I'm not even saying that there

1573
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,039
can't be pushed back against what Pabulatory is reporting, but

1574
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:12,760
this assumption that just because Steve Bomber is a billionaire,

1575
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,840
because Mark Cuban is a billionaire, they're smarter than everyone else,

1576
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,239
they can't possibly make a mistake like this. And even

1577
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:22,640
if we don't know, but even if there's nothing like

1578
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,880
sinister here, you can't say that this reporting doesn't like

1579
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:31,479
isn't worth further exploration all these just even look at

1580
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,119
the dollar amounts and how they line up to what

1581
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:37,880
certain payments were and the timing behind them. You don't, again,

1582
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,319
if there is an explanation one the clippers, if you

1583
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:43,119
have to give inadequate one publicly, I think that's fair

1584
01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:46,399
to say. And two it was at least further exploration

1585
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,800
in the first place. And so just miss me with

1586
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,640
this bullshit that this isn't worth talking about if you

1587
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,239
want to get into a are we just assuming they're all

1588
01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:57,439
guilty because the circumstance circumstantial evidence is piling up. Well,

1589
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,000
there's a discussion that we had there, but the circumstance

1590
01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:02,800
evidence here seems pretty freaking damn damning.

1591
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: So I actually this latest thing that came out, like

1592
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,239
the first two Problatory episodes, I just watched in full

1593
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:14,319
because I was like, this is riveting, right, Like the

1594
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:16,000
first one had me, and then the second one where

1595
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,920
you get the Dennis Wong and you get the other stuff,

1596
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:21,520
is just like, oh wow, super compelling. I didn't even

1597
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,800
pay that closest attention to this latest one because I've

1598
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,079
already reached the point where it's like this is more

1599
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:30,199
than enough now. It just the only thing that interests

1600
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,840
me now is the Clippers coming out and giving a

1601
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,880
rational explanation for what why this isn't what it looks

1602
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,119
like it is right like you saw it. Like there's

1603
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:40,880
a legal concept of like burden shifting, where it's just

1604
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,079
like you're making assertions. At some point the weight is

1605
01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:47,880
so great that the it's now the other side's burdened

1606
01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:52,159
to like refute what's being said. It's like, so the

1607
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:55,399
evidence to your point, the circumstantial evidence is like overwhelming.

1608
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,000
It's Mark Cuban seems to be the only one that

1609
01:14:58,039 --> 01:15:00,640
disagrees with that, because he's like poking holes and asking

1610
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,760
like questions of well, why did why aren't we focused

1611
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,399
on the payments that that the other payments that weren't

1612
01:15:06,399 --> 01:15:09,279
made or things like that, And it's just like, I

1613
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:11,640
don't I don't care. Now now it's on the Clippers

1614
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,960
to me, like you have to give some explanation. It's

1615
01:15:15,039 --> 01:15:19,319
we passed the point of needing any more, right, and

1616
01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:21,479
now it's just the other side's got to say something

1617
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,039
compelling because it's just otherwise like what are we doing?

1618
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,239
Speaker 1: And isn't it that everything you said especially true in

1619
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:31,319
this case because we're not in a court of law

1620
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,520
to where like the burden would be on Pablo Torre

1621
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,880
or the the league to prove that something happened to

1622
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,399
where based off the CBA, everyone's interpreted that clause differently.

1623
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,079
It seems that there would be if if Adam Silver

1624
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:46,560
wanted to, if you wanted to lay down the hammer,

1625
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:50,199
based off what that says, it seems like there's more

1626
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,359
than enough for him to do so. And the Clippers

1627
01:15:52,399 --> 01:15:57,119
have just not come out and said anything that's remotely convincing.

1628
01:15:57,319 --> 01:16:00,920
And it's just like you said with Lauren Frank that

1629
01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:03,359
was evasive. It was a I don't know how Chriitte

1630
01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:05,279
verges on a non answer, but it's like pretty it

1631
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:06,159
was word salad.

1632
01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 2: He was given the opportunity to say no, we didn't Well,

1633
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,640
he didn't say no, we didn't break the rules. He said,

1634
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,239
we know the rules that that that's not an answer.

1635
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:18,319
Speaker 1: Like that's want to make it worse.

1636
01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:21,279
Speaker 2: If you're found guilty, if you're in court and a

1637
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:24,520
witness gives that answer to that question, you immediately object

1638
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,399
and say non responsive because he didn't answer the question

1639
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,640
like that's so that's not where we are, but that's

1640
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,199
what what happened. We're this an actual quarter of law,

1641
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,319
so like I don't know it's it's uh, I don't

1642
01:16:36,319 --> 01:16:39,279
know where this goes, do you? So we've talked about

1643
01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:41,119
the punishments in the past, like what might be on

1644
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:43,800
the table if you had to guess right now? Like

1645
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,319
is this what do you? What do you think we're

1646
01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:51,159
looking If the League does interpret its powers as it

1647
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:52,880
does seem to be laid out in the CBA, where

1648
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,479
circumstantial evidence is enough and it is in combing on

1649
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,399
sort of the accused here to provide a rational explanation

1650
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:04,880
for what actually what this is? Like what is your

1651
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,880
do you have a guess? Now? We haven't talked about

1652
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,319
this in a while. On this specific point of it.

1653
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:12,159
Speaker 1: It's so tough because I think that you could easily

1654
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:14,960
say that too much of the evidence is circumstantial, and

1655
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:20,239
just knowing how Adam Silver's NBA has enforced tampering specifically,

1656
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,680
I know a lot of people have said, yeah, we're

1657
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,840
just curious how many first round picks it's gonna be.

1658
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,119
I still remain unconvinced that multiple first round picks. I

1659
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,760
don't like I've seen there's been the DISCUSSI think it

1660
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,800
was on Zach Lowspot. They had the discussion like, can

1661
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,279
you like take away picks that aren't even eligible.

1662
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,079
Speaker 2: To be traded here?

1663
01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, have we really reached that? I guess

1664
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,840
I just we haven't seen a sign from the Donald

1665
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,239
Sterling stuff with Adam Silver, But that evidence was just

1666
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:47,920
so he was on tape, was so overwhelmingly obvious that

1667
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,479
to basically get him to sell the team, I would

1668
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,640
you still be or are you there? Do you think

1669
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,760
that this is gonna be a multiple? Like if you

1670
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,239
set the over under of one and a half first

1671
01:17:58,279 --> 01:18:01,359
round picks docked from the whippers Man, what does it

1672
01:18:01,359 --> 01:18:03,039
say about the culture of us covering the league that

1673
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,359
I just turned this entire ordeal into a betting line.

1674
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,199
Speaker 2: Right. Uh, it says we're keeping up with the times.

1675
01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:15,960
So to mean what you said concerns concerns me because

1676
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,079
I kind of agree with like this still feels like

1677
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:25,560
a thing where the NBA can decide how big of

1678
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,720
a deal do we want this to be for like

1679
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,800
the wrong reasons, like decide this not on the merits right,

1680
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,520
because the way things are worded and the way Adam

1681
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,079
Silver might want to interpret this, Like the league might

1682
01:18:37,159 --> 01:18:43,319
just decide, well, there's no there's no signed illegal contract

1683
01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:46,039
that we can find that proves this. There's no emails

1684
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:48,399
or phone calls or whatever that we somehow.

1685
01:18:48,399 --> 01:18:52,359
Speaker 1: Just say what I just I'm sorry I didn't like you. Actually,

1686
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,880
that's the side, right, we agree to circumvent this.

1687
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Well, because they can. I'm not saying

1688
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,279
this is I'm saying that's the wrong way to approach it.

1689
01:19:01,319 --> 01:19:03,319
But like you could if you just wanted this to

1690
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:06,239
go away, be like, we don't want to set the

1691
01:19:06,279 --> 01:19:10,520
precedent of you know, some flimsy paper trail being sufficient

1692
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,239
to dock a team draft picks and find it, you know,

1693
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:15,159
to be in violation of all this other like we

1694
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:18,479
don't want to We're gonna need real concrete, Which that's

1695
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:22,199
that's bullshit, because the CBA does allow for circumstantial evidence

1696
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:25,119
to prove a case. And because the thing I've most

1697
01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:27,880
been hung up on is like the Clippers have to

1698
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,760
explain this or they should be punished, right, Like, it's

1699
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,239
kind of the same burden shifting argument. They have to

1700
01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:37,399
explain this, and so like at this point, I think

1701
01:19:37,399 --> 01:19:40,560
the right result is for the league to say, explain it,

1702
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,520
and then when the Clippers can't do that, the hammer

1703
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,960
has to drop and so got to be over the

1704
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,960
one and a half first round picks. It's got to

1705
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,479
be everything, I think, because if they can't, just if

1706
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,520
they can't give a reasonable explanation for what this actually is,

1707
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,000
and they haven't tried, maybe because they're just really holding

1708
01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:01,600
back like people 's Pablo of for like you know,

1709
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,560
saving saving some AMMO to like throw back a Cuban piecemeal.

1710
01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:11,239
Like I'm just this seems this seems like what it is.

1711
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:15,319
It seems like what Pablo's has been reporting suggested this,

1712
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,760
and so it should be the whole thing, all the

1713
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,279
picks and seven million dollars fine suspend bomb or whatever.

1714
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, seven millions, which you care just joke for Bomber.

1715
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1716
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: My my thing is, wouldn't you all So let's just

1717
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,800
say the NBA decides that this is and this would

1718
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,840
factor in the Board of Governors now too, that decides, Okay,

1719
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,159
something's amiss here, like this clearly happened. This is what

1720
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:40,680
it was. Is the incentive for them to lay down

1721
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,720
the hammer that you're talking about to dissuade other teams

1722
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,920
from just to set a precedent of this is what

1723
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,159
will happen if where it's almost like I guess, as

1724
01:20:48,199 --> 01:20:51,079
time separated us from the Joe smith or dealer, you thought,

1725
01:20:51,119 --> 01:20:53,920
because you didn't have an agreement signed with the player

1726
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,439
in question specifically, it was going to be fine or

1727
01:20:57,319 --> 01:20:59,359
are you As I think we've talked about this a

1728
01:20:59,399 --> 01:21:02,840
little bit, it seems like the prevailing sentiment amone like

1729
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,880
fellow owners, has been no, you have to hit them

1730
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,640
for it, And I think I would agree with that.

1731
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,840
But could there be a level of hesitance here from

1732
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,920
other owners not wanting to see the hammer come down

1733
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,239
on Bomber because what if that does happen to them?

1734
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,880
That's where I go back, and because I think, look,

1735
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:24,720
if the league believes that something is fishy here or

1736
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:29,039
that this happened, that this salary cap circumvention, which they

1737
01:21:29,079 --> 01:21:34,000
have said themselves is a cardinal sin, you should just

1738
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:36,039
lay down the hammer then, Like if that's what, if

1739
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:39,039
that's what you believe. But I'm also so far removed

1740
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:40,880
from it that I wonder if that's the same discussion

1741
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,359
that they're having, is that they're worried about other teams

1742
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:45,479
doing this, or they worried about Adam silver works for

1743
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,560
the other owners, is he worried about appeasing them? And

1744
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,239
how would they truly feel? Do they want to see

1745
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:53,359
Bomber get hit like that? So I'm I still remain

1746
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:54,359
torn on that front too.

1747
01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 2: I think whatever discussions they're having will cover all of that,

1748
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,800
and that is kind of a thorny issue and I

1749
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,119
think it will have it will be a talking point

1750
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:08,479
and whenever this gets decided, I think there's a bigger

1751
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:13,199
reason that other owners should want the full punishment to

1752
01:22:13,239 --> 01:22:16,960
be laid down, and that is the fans sentiment and

1753
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,640
public perception side of things. Now, this isn't game fixing,

1754
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:25,119
this isn't gambling, This isn't like truly affecting like the

1755
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:28,520
integrity of the competition, which would be like that talk

1756
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,159
about a cardinal sin, like that's it anything that does that.

1757
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,159
But it's close enough, and I think fans would have

1758
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:39,319
enough of an issue like all the like tinfoil hat

1759
01:22:39,399 --> 01:22:41,720
like games are fixed and all this other stuff like

1760
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,880
those people would get a lot more like right thinking

1761
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,159
people persuaded by this if this is sort of like

1762
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:52,680
loosely enforced because it does affect competitive balance, like if

1763
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:57,079
Bomber or whatever other deep pocketed owner can get a

1764
01:22:57,119 --> 01:23:00,479
player he otherwise wouldn't have gotten. And like I say,

1765
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,640
Kawai stays healthy and the Clippers make some finals or

1766
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,680
win a title or something like, I think fans and

1767
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,039
the public's perception of the league would there would be

1768
01:23:10,119 --> 01:23:13,520
a big enough issue and an enough fallout from that

1769
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:16,960
too that like, were there to be no punishment, that

1770
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,560
feel like this is bullshit? What are we watching? Like that?

1771
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,479
What are the rules even for If the richest owners

1772
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,000
can just flout, you know, can just do whatever they

1773
01:23:25,039 --> 01:23:27,960
want to pay players whatever they want outside of the

1774
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,359
confines of the CBA like that to me seems like

1775
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:36,760
the biggest problem that should inform the punishment here. Assuming

1776
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,560
the Clippers did what it seems like they did, right, Like,

1777
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,319
that's that's the biggest issue if you have fans tuning

1778
01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:45,840
out because this is all like phony or like not competitively,

1779
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:50,119
there's no competitive integrity at least financially. Like that's a

1780
01:23:50,199 --> 01:23:50,800
huge deal.

1781
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: Do you think they'll because the Clippers never even came

1782
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,159
close to winning a title during this era, And then

1783
01:23:57,319 --> 01:24:00,000
now if you let time kind of separate us from

1784
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:03,720
the heat of this moment, which I'm assuming pablotre podcasts

1785
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:07,000
and updates will eventually stop. And they've already said which

1786
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:08,840
I saw people up in arms that they're show Oh

1787
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,319
of course this is gonna not be resolved until after

1788
01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:13,439
the All Star break. I probably made that joke too,

1789
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,600
but like, this wasn't gonna be something where the league

1790
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,760
came out on opening night and yeah, Doc, the Clippers

1791
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,880
a bunch of picks. But so you don't think there's

1792
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,159
a possibility though that I don't even want to say

1793
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:26,159
the benefit of time, but the like time erodes the

1794
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:30,840
outrage over this, and like, like you said, if they won,

1795
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:33,319
had the Clippers want a title ever made a finals,

1796
01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:35,960
like maybe it's a different story, but I'm just wondering

1797
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,199
how much outrage they'll be when it's all right. If

1798
01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:42,119
they were gonna win at that level at any point,

1799
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:45,640
it would have happened already, like because they're good now,

1800
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,000
but no one's picking them to come out of the West.

1801
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:49,760
And yes, if the clippers of the One Seed or

1802
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,800
something as we get into the All Star break, this

1803
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,039
will be rekindled. I'm just curious, and I only say this,

1804
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,439
and I'm not just gonna bring up examples because they're

1805
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,800
so morbid, but the way that society just moves from

1806
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,880
so much other shit. I can't sit here and just

1807
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,600
believe that we're all like principled enough to like really

1808
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,399
be like following up like me and you were gonna

1809
01:25:09,399 --> 01:25:11,399
do a check in on this every other week or something.

1810
01:25:11,399 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 2: Throughout our attention spans are destroyed and yeah, like there

1811
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,439
will just be some new shitty thing to distract us

1812
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,920
or whatever. That that's all true. I just think, like

1813
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,680
this doesn't seem to be how it works in the

1814
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,800
broader world that the moment. But like any system that

1815
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:33,479
has a set of rules that doesn't enforce them when

1816
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,439
broken if there's not really any harm, like that's a

1817
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,880
fucked up set of rules. Like what's the point of rules,

1818
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:40,439
you know what I mean? Like, what's the point of

1819
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,399
rules if nobody gets punished for breaking them? Unless that

1820
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,399
in this instance, the Clippers want a title, Oh, we

1821
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,439
got to enforce it now Like that, that doesn't make

1822
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:52,319
any sense, Like you, the rules exist, like so everyone

1823
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:55,079
follows them regardless of sort of like the outcome of

1824
01:25:55,119 --> 01:25:58,399
breaking I'm mex I'm messing up my analogy, but like

1825
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,520
you know what I mean, Like, it shouldn't matter that

1826
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,760
they didn't win a title to us in so far

1827
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,279
as we care about the rules being enforced like that,

1828
01:26:06,279 --> 01:26:07,359
that shouldn't be a factor.

1829
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 1: One. I don't know who has the grant f bomb

1830
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,079
counter going, but we can finally jack it up by one,

1831
01:26:13,079 --> 01:26:14,560
which I think might bring his total to two.

1832
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,239
Speaker 2: I only drop it after around the ninety minute mark

1833
01:26:17,279 --> 01:26:17,800
of a long.

1834
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,119
Speaker 1: Pot and then two. I would agree with you, but

1835
01:26:21,359 --> 01:26:23,039
I know this is on a different level. But like,

1836
01:26:23,079 --> 01:26:25,920
don't you think we would have seen something with more

1837
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,920
forceful with tampering than should Like shouldn't it be kind

1838
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,000
of a big bigger deal what the Knicks did with

1839
01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:31,880
Jalen Brunson.

1840
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,399
Speaker 2: It's a I'm being naive because you're right, Like the

1841
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,720
reason tampering doesn't get enforced. Is because there's a whole

1842
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,039
industry that loves the news leaks and like the speculation

1843
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:44,880
and all this stuff. Right, really, so what industry I

1844
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,800
wouldn't want to work in that? I know some people

1845
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,720
that we just talked about Yanni straight make a decent

1846
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,760
living off of it. But yeah, no, I think that's fair.

1847
01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:57,199
I just this seems like a big enough deal to

1848
01:26:57,319 --> 01:26:59,399
where it's different.

1849
01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 1: I feel the same way, but you use the word

1850
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,159
I feel like I'm naive about it to where it's

1851
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:07,039
just we really we think that we not that we

1852
01:27:07,119 --> 01:27:09,439
got them. We think, oh, like something's really gonna come

1853
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,479
from this, and then it just won't. I just had

1854
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,640
one final question on this. I don't know if you

1855
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,199
read the Athletic piece last week, they did like a

1856
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:19,199
profile of Uncle Dennis, which it really is funny. They

1857
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:21,319
pointed out that he's known as Uncle Dennis. You know

1858
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:23,840
immediately who everyone's talking about. You don't need to go

1859
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:24,840
go with this full name.

1860
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 2: Do you?

1861
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,039
Speaker 1: What do you do you assign any blame? Is there

1862
01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:33,560
any like like discontent on your part towards Kawhi slash

1863
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,680
Uncle Dennis or is this just all they did? Was

1864
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,319
ask the systems in place are supposed to prevent that,

1865
01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:41,039
and the Clippers didn't, and this is all on them.

1866
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:44,039
Because so I'll begin by saying this, honestly, don't know

1867
01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:46,840
how to feel the whole I'm not a very persistent

1868
01:27:47,079 --> 01:27:49,359
person in the sense of when I was doing reporting

1869
01:27:49,359 --> 01:27:51,560
and on site stuff, I ended up being really bad

1870
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,600
at it because I viewed myself as an intrusion upon

1871
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,560
people's lives by being persistent. The idea of Uncle Dennis

1872
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,479
continuously asking for these outrageous things and having no shame

1873
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,800
about it, it it makes me uncomfortable. But he's also

1874
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,479
kind of the advocate for Kawhi Leonard and has done

1875
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,159
a bunch of great things for and you said it.

1876
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:12,079
You said it as a joke a few weeks ago,

1877
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:14,199
but find me Uncle Dennis, and you're like, yeah, who

1878
01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:16,359
wouldn't want someone like you advocating for that. At the

1879
01:28:16,359 --> 01:28:18,800
same time, you could push back and say, is that

1880
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,000
like behavior you want to be associated with or remembered

1881
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,560
by with Kauhi? And then you come back and say, well,

1882
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,039
how is it really hurt Kauhi? And is not NBA

1883
01:28:29,119 --> 01:28:31,920
teams haven't wanted him because if this has been the

1884
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:32,760
exact opposite.

1885
01:28:33,319 --> 01:28:36,199
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm getting real cynical now as we're

1886
01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:39,680
winding down, Like does it seems like there's a pretty

1887
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,439
direct correlation between people who don't have those same compunctions

1888
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,760
that you and I do about being an intrusion or

1889
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,359
being like pushy or like asking for things that are

1890
01:28:49,399 --> 01:28:51,680
outside the rules. Like those people tend to be pretty

1891
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,479
successful and make a lot of money because they're not

1892
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,880
held back by the like the concerns about am I

1893
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,239
being an asshole? Like you know, like that would like that,

1894
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,000
so I wouldn't. I would How about this? I think

1895
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,479
there is a case to be made that like Uncle

1896
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,239
Dennis is just being an awesome advocate, like he's doing

1897
01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:12,279
the best he can for Kawhi, like any representative should

1898
01:29:12,279 --> 01:29:15,399
do for the person he or she represents. It's on

1899
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:18,199
the team to be like, no, that's illegal, we can't

1900
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:22,119
do that. Don't ask again, Like but I at the

1901
01:29:22,119 --> 01:29:25,000
same time, like, while that seems like, yeah, he's being

1902
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,880
a good representative, it's the team's responsibility. If you're like

1903
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,119
raising a kid, like, don't be that way. That's like that,

1904
01:29:31,399 --> 01:29:33,520
don't ask someone to break the rules if you know

1905
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,439
what the rules are. That's like not what a good

1906
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,800
person does. So like maybe that's where I land on.

1907
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,279
It's like, that's not a cool thing to do. But

1908
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,640
if you're trying to just selfishly or I guess you

1909
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,319
know by proxy selfishly, do the best you can for

1910
01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:49,720
the person you're representing, Like that's that is how you're

1911
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,880
gonna get which the best stuff. That is how you're

1912
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,600
gonna get what you want. Unfortunately, we have a question

1913
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,399
that chat. Don't you think this has a chance to

1914
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,960
harm Kauhi's leg What's what's what legacy? What is his legacy?

1915
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it didn't it's not associated with the way

1916
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,119
he won either of his titles. If anything, I guess

1917
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:10,319
you could backtrack and say, because Uncle Dennis was at

1918
01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:12,760
the heart of his departure from San Antonio, he ends

1919
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,399
up in Toronto. But maybe it would be different. His

1920
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,439
legacy is going to be one of what if because

1921
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,239
he won two titles and then had all those injuries.

1922
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:21,600
I think that will always be the bigger chunk of

1923
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,840
his legacy. Then I don't know what would need to

1924
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,479
happen with this for it to I guess that the

1925
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,640
Clippers got doct built the five first round picks would that.

1926
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,720
I'd like he'd be more he would come up more often,

1927
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,000
but I still think he'll be sorry.

1928
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,600
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I think either way, this is in This

1929
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,880
is in the first paragraph of his Wikipedia entry, like

1930
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,359
the of the short version of the Islanders that we're

1931
01:30:43,399 --> 01:30:47,000
measuring legacies, Well, it's just like if you're thirty years

1932
01:30:47,039 --> 01:30:49,640
from now, Kawi. Leonard won a title with the San

1933
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:53,239
Antonio Spurs and then later with the Raptors. Was embroiled

1934
01:30:53,279 --> 01:30:55,760
in a cap circumvention scandal towards the end of his

1935
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,760
career with the Clippers amid injuries. Like yeah, yeah, it's

1936
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,840
like titles injury, this thing, it's all gonna be right

1937
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:02,399
at the top.

1938
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: I think I think it will be more of a

1939
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,800
legacy stainer for Steve Bomber and this clip right era

1940
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,439
than it will be for Quhi is what. I don't

1941
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:10,880
know whether that's right or wrong, but I think that's

1942
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:11,720
will ultimately end up.

1943
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,039
Speaker 2: Well, we'll lump all this in with like the Clippers

1944
01:31:14,079 --> 01:31:16,880
were just such a narrow do Well franchise forever, Like

1945
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,720
the jump from Sterling to this will be just like

1946
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:20,199
same old Clippers, you know.

1947
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,159
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, especially with the passage of time or I

1948
01:31:23,159 --> 01:31:25,560
guess in years, this could be next summer that we're all.

1949
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 2: It's only like ten years apart, it's gonna be. It

1950
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:28,800
might as well have been a week as far as

1951
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:29,479
I'm concerned.

1952
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: We have one more topic to get to, right, Why.

1953
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,520
Speaker 2: Didn't we end with the Clippers here? So? Uh we

1954
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,199
clocked this like separately because Jeremy Grant said he does

1955
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:40,680
not expect to come off the bench. And then you

1956
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:45,159
had some more here what's going on with their lineup decisions?

1957
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:47,520
Because maybe you could say this was easy to see

1958
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,560
coming when they kind of two timelined it with Drew

1959
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,159
Holliday coming in and young players. Now you've got Scoot

1960
01:31:52,199 --> 01:31:56,079
Henderson with a torn hamstring. Don't like torn, by the way,

1961
01:31:56,399 --> 01:31:59,159
can we just say strained? Because when did we start

1962
01:31:59,239 --> 01:32:00,760
using torn? And it's one to two months?

1963
01:32:01,079 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 1: Isn't they say the same? Is it like every sprain

1964
01:32:04,079 --> 01:32:04,600
every spring?

1965
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but like don't say don't say torn, say

1966
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:13,199
strainers or whatever. Robert Williams shocker uh has and flow

1967
01:32:13,239 --> 01:32:16,439
recovered from left knee surgery. This sucks like he just

1968
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:19,680
you know, can't he's just it's been years and years

1969
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,920
of this with just can't get all the way right physically.

1970
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,640
So how does that affect the logjam at center that

1971
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,119
still exists even without DeAndre in there? Like, what are

1972
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:31,600
we doing with this lineup? What who should play? Like

1973
01:32:32,399 --> 01:32:35,119
Jeremy Grant seriously think he's gonna start? That seems wild

1974
01:32:35,159 --> 01:32:35,359
to me.

1975
01:32:36,039 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: It becomes a little bit easier. I guess now that

1976
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:42,319
scoots out because I think you just do Timani Clinging, Drew,

1977
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:44,920
Jeremy and Shaden and then you're done.

1978
01:32:45,079 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 3: But once you're starting Denny Avdia, holy shit, So the

1979
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,560
forwards forward, the forwards have gotta be Denny and Timani,

1980
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:55,399
all of them.

1981
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 2: Uh, Drew, Shayden.

1982
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: Clinging, Donovan, I don't know. I guess is Shaydon coming

1983
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,239
off the bench? Then if if Jeremy Grant starting, Shaden's

1984
01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:05,600
the one because you can't bring Timani or Denny off

1985
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,640
the bench, that is bananas.

1986
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:13,159
Speaker 2: Well, and I do not I don't love the Timani

1987
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,520
Denny Grant wing combo.

1988
01:33:16,079 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: Like true, I mean, there's a lot of defense with Klingon,

1989
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,399
that's a really hell of a defensive lineup. I mean,

1990
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,000
I think if by the Way was saying that they

1991
01:33:24,039 --> 01:33:26,800
could throw out some pretty terrifying defensive lineups and I

1992
01:33:27,399 --> 01:33:28,800
agree that's accurate.

1993
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 2: Also, a lot of talk today independent of the lineup,

1994
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,159
stuff like they're really gonna run, which like, yeah, that

1995
01:33:35,359 --> 01:33:37,520
sounds good to me. I think, I think that's the

1996
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,199
way to do it.

1997
01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:40,239
Speaker 1: They're not gonna run with the starting lineup we just

1998
01:33:40,319 --> 01:33:40,720
laid out.

1999
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,399
Speaker 2: I mean, well, Klingen's best shape of his life. Dand

2000
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,960
know if you heard he lost like he lost fifteen pounds.

2001
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: Is he also shooting threes?

2002
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 2: Probably? Probably?

2003
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:57,359
Speaker 1: So who should start? Like, here's my thing. The other

2004
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,439
the variable that we're playing on accounting for enough is

2005
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,520
that Timani Kamara's extension eligible and if he doesn't sign one, like,

2006
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,159
is he gonna be sitting here trying to play for

2007
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:06,800
his next contract? Shade and Sharp? Is he gonna get

2008
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,479
an extension? What are the and if you bring Shadon

2009
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,720
Sharp off the bench after not giving him an extension,

2010
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,600
the politicking there is so bizarre. This is such a

2011
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,960
I'm not this isn't like a terrible situation. They have

2012
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,800
a lot of good players, but at some point they

2013
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,479
need to divorce themselves. I'm using Jeremy Grant as the

2014
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:25,079
billboard for like, divorce yourself from this idea that you

2015
01:34:25,159 --> 01:34:27,920
need to start, Jeremy Grant, divorce yourself from this idea

2016
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,960
that even Drew Holliday needs to start, I think right now, yeah,

2017
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,000
sure Scoot is out, but if you still believe in

2018
01:34:34,079 --> 01:34:37,039
him and Shadon, you have to. And even if you

2019
01:34:37,159 --> 01:34:39,119
want to say starting is overrated, we're okay. How are

2020
01:34:39,159 --> 01:34:41,279
you closing games with this team? Does Jeremy Grant expect

2021
01:34:41,319 --> 01:34:44,079
to be on the court in crunch time too? There's

2022
01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:45,920
just they have a lot of options in a good way,

2023
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:49,119
but their timelines are there's just such a dichotomy between them.

2024
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:52,680
I'm I don't know. This is just it's bizarre. So

2025
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:53,560
who would you start?

2026
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,119
Speaker 2: The non negotiables? To me, are Kamara and Opdia like that?

2027
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:00,199
There's you No one is starting over those two. So

2028
01:35:00,279 --> 01:35:02,479
to me, that means Jeremy Grant's not starting because I'm

2029
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:03,960
not starting him at the two and I'm not starting

2030
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,079
with the five, So that leaves clinging at the five.

2031
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,239
Drew's got to start, Like I just I don't know

2032
01:35:10,279 --> 01:35:12,359
if Scoot I think I would have had Scoot and

2033
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,560
him start together and Sharp come off the bench. So

2034
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,199
now I guess I'm starting Sharp because I don't want

2035
01:35:18,399 --> 01:35:21,399
Jeremy Grant and Abdiya and Kamara together. I just that

2036
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,880
doesn't make sense to me. But if, but if maybe

2037
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,920
the squeaky wheel gets the grease, maybe, if Jeremy Grant's

2038
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:28,399
going to make a thing out of it, Sharp is

2039
01:35:28,399 --> 01:35:30,079
the one that comes off the bench. I wouldn't do that.

2040
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: Here's here is I would. I agree with everything you said,

2041
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,199
But now I'm wondering, Okay, so that's your starting lineup.

2042
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,840
What happens when Scoot comes back. Is it easier to say, well, Scoot,

2043
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:41,720
you got injured again, You're coming off the bench. Or

2044
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,840
are the Blazers thinking maybe Sharp will start the season

2045
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,720
coming off the bench because that's where he's gonna stay.

2046
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:50,199
We'll put Scoot in for Jeremy Grant when when he

2047
01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:52,920
returns from his injury. I'm not trying to give that

2048
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,560
pat me Merritt, just wondering if that's.

2049
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 2: A thought that's a possibility. I mean, Sharp did come

2050
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,520
off the bench for stretches last year. He kind of

2051
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:03,479
he wasn't like a guaranteed starter, as I recall. So

2052
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,000
that's not ideal because you want him to seize that

2053
01:36:06,119 --> 01:36:08,159
job and have him become a non negotiable but that

2054
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:13,119
hasn't happened yet. I guess I think, like I think

2055
01:36:13,119 --> 01:36:15,720
maybe the way it goes is like you can sort

2056
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:19,279
of justify to scoot, like because you're behind, you're coming

2057
01:36:19,279 --> 01:36:21,119
off this injury, you want to manage your minutes, like

2058
01:36:21,159 --> 01:36:23,319
maybe he's the one that you're you're gonna get away

2059
01:36:23,359 --> 01:36:25,920
with coming off the bench. But that doesn't solve the

2060
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,840
Jeremy Grant problem either. So I don't know this. This

2061
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,720
does feel like they kind of put themselves in this

2062
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:32,960
position with the way they put the roster together, doesn't it.

2063
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:37,119
Speaker 1: Maybe, But I think if you're getting strong armed by

2064
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:40,119
Jeremy Grant, you have bigger problems as an Orgistracian or

2065
01:36:40,119 --> 01:36:42,159
should not be able to strong arm you after last year,

2066
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,199
So like you paid him, like he got so this

2067
01:36:45,279 --> 01:36:47,119
is this is what he signed up for too, Like

2068
01:36:47,159 --> 01:36:48,800
you knew that Dame was on his way out when

2069
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,319
you stayed here, So I would bring him off the

2070
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:53,760
bench now and for the rest of the season. And

2071
01:36:54,119 --> 01:36:56,479
even that just doesn't take care of it because one

2072
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,359
of Shade and or scooed. It seems like unless you're

2073
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:01,199
leaving Drew or starting without a big and I would

2074
01:37:01,279 --> 01:37:04,119
argue they're more likely to start young handsome John Hanson

2075
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,680
than they are to play without a big to begin games.

2076
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 2: Right, they they just like several teams, they've just got

2077
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,720
a logjam up front. No, I think I think that's right.

2078
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,119
I think like if Jeremy Grant had had, like I

2079
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:18,119
don't know what a normal Jeremy Grant season is, but

2080
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:20,560
had had a much better year than he had last year,

2081
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,159
there'd be a case. But he just didn't play well enough.

2082
01:37:24,279 --> 01:37:26,720
Like that's that's that's kind of the long and short

2083
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:28,880
of it, right, And he's like not a future piece

2084
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,199
for them by any stretch.

2085
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:33,239
Speaker 1: Like, it's also just amazing because and we have a

2086
01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:35,159
comment Dames here to be the leader to stop guys

2087
01:37:35,159 --> 01:37:37,680
from complaining about the role. I didn't think about that,

2088
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,239
So hopefully he can take. But also Dame's not even

2089
01:37:40,279 --> 01:37:43,039
hell Like imagine Dame was playing this season. How much

2090
01:37:43,079 --> 01:37:45,199
more complicated this entire thing gets.

2091
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I think we'll get the right

2092
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:49,479
result there. Eventually. We did it.

2093
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: Do you have any counter? Yeah, we got through it.

2094
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,199
I think we wanted to do this in like a

2095
01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:55,600
buck fifteen year, probably say three minutes per what item

2096
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,239
we had, so we definitely went over.

2097
01:37:57,359 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, well we had to go out the Clippers

2098
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,920
pretty good. I have nothing to add to you have

2099
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:02,960
anything to add.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do. Did you hear that Jay Huff found

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out about his trade to the Indiana Pacers while hiding

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in a pantry during a game of hide and seek?

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I think that's per Tony East of Forbes.

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Speaker 2: He must have been very confident in his hiding spot

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to be on the phone in there, because the light

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might have been visible to any any good seeker is

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going to be looking for.

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Speaker 1: He's clearly better at hide and seek Thanny. His basketball.

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Speaker 2: Gotta be pretty hard to hide as a seven footer.

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How big is this pantry?

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Speaker 1: Right? I mean, he's definitely one of the have you

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ever seen like professional tag they have like competent like

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living room where there's furniture and stuff. Now I'm imagining

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that he plays that, So maybe he plays competitively with that,

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Like it's a hide and seek situation.

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Speaker 2: There we need to start. It's a million dollar idea.

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Speaker 1: Should the next Hardwoo Knock summit that will be uh

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massive about hide and seek among the Sakas.

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Speaker 2: I mean, thanks everybody for listening, for watching, Thanks for

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all the comments, but really appreciate that. Thanks to the

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NBA for Media Day and just just content rich comments

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You're gonna want to get in on that so you

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can beat us, which most not most, but a lot

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of people typically do. A lot.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people beat beast. You were middle of that,

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a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still might have been a majority cop vide. But anyway,

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join our discord there. I think that's gonna cover it.

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Thanks as always, shouts Franklin Kin Apologies Jarrett now