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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of July

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth, we're continuing with Lost season three, episode nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Stranger in a Strange Land. And just to kick off

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<v Speaker 1>our discussion, I would like to read a paragraph from

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Peace about this episode says this was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the series' most poorly received episodes. The native fan reaction

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<v Speaker 1>even prompted ABC to let the producers set the shows

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<v Speaker 1>and date, And holy cow, is that an accurate description.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually thought that the end date had come after

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<v Speaker 1>the Nicky and Pallo episode a few further on here expose.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, apparently it was the one about Jack's tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd gotten to the point where, oh frak, we need

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<v Speaker 1>another flashback. He's got tattoos? What up with his tattoos?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a flashback? Well, I low, my goodness, you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>The discussions with the creators and uh huh, there's one

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<v Speaker 3>part it said, where is it the fact there was

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<v Speaker 3>a bad casting decision made, there was a bad pre

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<v Speaker 3>misdecision made, there was a bad flashbackstory. Just everything that

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<v Speaker 3>could go wrong did. But I don't think it was

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<v Speaker 3>because the script was terrible. Else here it is we

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<v Speaker 3>used Matthew Fox's real tattoos. That's how desperate we were

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<v Speaker 3>for flashbackstories.

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<v Speaker 1>You think, oh, oh my goodness, really, you guys. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like coming after what I think was a really

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<v Speaker 1>strong episode with Desmond, where they showed sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>creativity they can do and the excitement that they could

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<v Speaker 1>put into these storylines and the dread and the creepiness

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<v Speaker 1>and the feeling of something larger going on here, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we have this episode, which could not have been

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<v Speaker 1>more kurthunk.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean starting with the title like stranger in a

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<v Speaker 2>strange land, like guys, I mean, I mean people live there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not it's not strange like the island. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a different country that you're not familiar with, you know, Like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>But he is he is not one of them?

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<v Speaker 2>What was the thing that he's he's he walks about,

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<v Speaker 2>but he is not one of us?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that is it?

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<v Speaker 2>That is it? Gross?

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<v Speaker 1>Just then Yeah, and once again we have the whole

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<v Speaker 1>is this thing that they're setting up Jack for really

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<v Speaker 1>Juliette going against orders or is it made to look

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<v Speaker 1>that way so that they can get Jack to do

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<v Speaker 1>what they want? It seems entirely credible that it's all

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<v Speaker 1>an act. Yeah, because it's worked before, and so why would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, manipulation being a strong suit of he's not been company.

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<v Speaker 2>And we get another new evil person Isabelle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, boy, they they turned up the evil dial

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<v Speaker 1>way up on her. I don't remember her, but she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and she also reminds me a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>That she doesn't bake muffins.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but she reminded me of finla Flann again from

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<v Speaker 2>last week. Yeah, Like, I was really wondering if it

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be her at a different.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, but I don't think the name was different.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it was different, and also the timing wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the one is eloise. Yeah, well, don't worry

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<v Speaker 1>about timing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not as silent and you can count on it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>They can, they can pressto change oh the time with

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<v Speaker 1>oh you know there was a time job seriously, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember her at all. I meant to look

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<v Speaker 1>her up on Lost p D after I watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't. But she yeah, they her direction was

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<v Speaker 1>whereas Tom friendly was actually kind of friendly in this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and then there was the whole like listing of

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<v Speaker 2>the others crimes that happened. Yeah, he wasn't wrong about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Jack can be dense and has done some

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<v Speaker 2>bad things, but also.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah right, well but then he sees some of

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<v Speaker 1>the people they kidnapped and is sort of rude to them. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>although the little girl would have to say, well, well

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<v Speaker 1>dead honey. Yeah, yeah, well that didn't go so well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess he can he can see or

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe so, but lots of weirdness going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>They were in that room with the just with Carl

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<v Speaker 2>where their eyes were.

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<v Speaker 1>Forced to Carl. Girl's been laying in his backyard with

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<v Speaker 1>Alex looking at the stars, just like it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Mayberry RFD here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened downstairs, but there's been some.

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<v Speaker 1>Activity apparently, so, yes, some others breached the perimeter.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're just trying to warn us. Yeah, asking once again,

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<v Speaker 2>we are asking where's Vincent?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, absolutely, if they could have just had him

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<v Speaker 1>wander up with all the other people who were kidnapped,

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent could just be with them. You know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>swam across that. It's not that he's had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time on his hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, But we did get a little bit of Kate

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<v Speaker 2>and Sawyer in this episode. It seemed like, maybe, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I already knew that it was going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>Jack episode, but like you know, you start out with

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<v Speaker 2>them in the in the boat, and right, well, it

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<v Speaker 2>is about Jack. Because Kate's like, well.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to go back, we have to go back.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's like litter away those words. Listen, girlfriend, we

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<v Speaker 2>are not going yea, there no way.

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<v Speaker 1>But he does encourage Carl to go back, which is

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<v Speaker 1>probably do we think Carl has it in him? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think I think Carl is maybe made

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<v Speaker 1>of the same stuff as Billy.

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<v Speaker 2>What's his left?

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<v Speaker 1>Ye the Gilded Age who you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Takes one look at George and is like, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>worth it, Gladys.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, it's right, that's right. Carl's got the potential of

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<v Speaker 1>being murdered, which I don't think Billy had risk. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's still at the same time, you know, daughter of

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<v Speaker 1>a powerful dad. Do you really want to go? You

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<v Speaker 1>really want to go? There are there other girls around?

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<v Speaker 1>Surely there are other girls around. Yes, wait a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>that blondle from the plane will grow up and you

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<v Speaker 1>can can go from Hi. But Alex seems quite ticked

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<v Speaker 1>off by the whole thing, so took her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it's on an island or in the Gilded Age, girls,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you have to find find guys made a

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<v Speaker 1>sterner stuff if you want to go up against the

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<v Speaker 1>go up against your dad. Although maybe Carl's going back,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll see if he can make it back by himself,

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<v Speaker 1>if he can take the boat, I guess I'll take

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<v Speaker 1>the boat.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it turns out they they're gonna they all

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<v Speaker 2>leave that island anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's right to the place that they call. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a place on the main island that they usually are.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just for this endeavor on prison Island. Where's

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<v Speaker 1>the place with all the little houses and the muffins

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<v Speaker 1>in the book that where they're going back to where

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<v Speaker 1>they're going I guess so this was the place with

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<v Speaker 1>the cages in the yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In the underwater operating theater, right, sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Alrighty then sure sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't ask this show to make sense, Terry.

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<v Speaker 1>How much did they spend on sets for this thing? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know they did the the switcheroo where you

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<v Speaker 1>see Jack walking on the beach but it's in Thailand.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha made you light?

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<v Speaker 2>And that little boy who's selling him soda.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then runs from him later on, but he's marked.

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<v Speaker 2>He's marked well.

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<v Speaker 1>And parenting tip. You know, I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 1>tell your kid never to get a tattoo, but find

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<v Speaker 1>a reputable dealer and make sure you know what that

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<v Speaker 1>individual is putting on you, and make sure it won't

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<v Speaker 1>get you beaten up on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bench, Like maybe don't do have them do it? Force

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<v Speaker 2>them to Yes, maybe not that tattoo to your body, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because you hate yourself that much. Just get me

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<v Speaker 1>in as much trouble as possible, will you please? I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting pad beaten up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's about where he is at that point. But

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<v Speaker 1>do we know did he ever mention going there in

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<v Speaker 1>a previous episode, like I'm done with this, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to Thailand, Or are we just supposed to think he

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<v Speaker 1>had some vacation time at the hospital, or that we're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to think this is him hitting bottom, or just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>don't ask questions, Terry, it's lost.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a question. I don't recall this being addressed before

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<v Speaker 2>in the Jack timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, did he hear that his ex wife was

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<v Speaker 1>going on a honeymoon to Thailand and so he followed her?

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<v Speaker 1>There is his dad there someplace? Or is he just

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go to the ends of the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>And I put my finger down on a globe and

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<v Speaker 1>here I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still very messed up individual then and now and

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<v Speaker 1>always probably. You know, one thing we learn here parenting

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<v Speaker 1>tip wise is teach your child how to fly a kite.

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<v Speaker 1>Teach them young, help them to know how to do

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<v Speaker 1>it so that they're not on a beach and some

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<v Speaker 1>trouble young woman who will be trouble comes up and

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<v Speaker 1>helps him. And you know what, just it's a shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be too hard. You know, Jack's dad didn't teach him.

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<v Speaker 1>Add that to the list of things you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>you say. Charles Woodmore got another check in the evil

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<v Speaker 1>column last week. That's another check in the Jack's dad

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<v Speaker 1>evil column. Didn't teach his son to fly a kite.

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<v Speaker 1>Too busy with his doctor and stuff, Too busy saving

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<v Speaker 1>No wonder Jack is such a mess. I bet you

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<v Speaker 1>a sawyer never had his dad teach him to fly akite.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably locks dad definitely didn't teach him. Maybe out a window,

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<v Speaker 1>but not Charlie's. Yes See, that's the problem. If all

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<v Speaker 1>the people on this island had had their dad teach

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<v Speaker 1>them how to fly a kite, how much happier being here,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be here. Nope, nope, nope. I bet every time

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<v Speaker 1>we meet somebody's dad, we're going to have to ask ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he teach his son how to fly a kite

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<v Speaker 1>or his daughter how to fly a kite? I bet

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<v Speaker 1>it's no all around so lost doing a service demonstrating

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<v Speaker 1>the essential activity teaching your kid. Have you ever flew

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever flew a kite gathered? You know, not

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't feel like it's that hard. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he also was having trouble just assembling the kite in

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<v Speaker 2>the first that's true, and he needed help from high

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<v Speaker 2>heels on the beach girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to do it right there. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was like, oh, still feels like a scam.

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<v Speaker 2>The minute she showed up, I was like, he no, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well yeah, my husband could not understand why he

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<v Speaker 1>the entire episode, but that in specific, so just because

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<v Speaker 1>the script says right here in the script, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think the flight the kites I have

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<v Speaker 1>flown did not require assembly. I think you just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of held them up and or your dad did. No,

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<v Speaker 1>my dad was not a running with a kite kind

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<v Speaker 1>of guy. He was older than that. But somebody must

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<v Speaker 1>have done it, yeah, because it would you know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not on an island someplace. My life is not a tragic,

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<v Speaker 1>tragic mess. So somewhere someone in my past must have

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<v Speaker 1>flown a kite with me. Yeah. And another parenting tip,

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<v Speaker 1>be careful with who gives your kids pep talks. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna, if you're gonna send uncle Sawyer to

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of time to make sure that they're gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>them nickboks. So maybe maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>Although it's it's kind of, you know, a rite of

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<v Speaker 2>passage to get a nickname from Sawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is true. I think you had gotten several,

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<v Speaker 1>probably in the canoe, though I think it called him

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<v Speaker 1>many things. Oh my, So we had another round of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ben is gonna die again unless we get Jack

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<v Speaker 1>to work on him again. What are we gonna do again?

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<v Speaker 1>So Ethan was their surgeon? Is that what Ben said? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we had an excellent surgeon. His name was Ethan. That

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<v Speaker 1>guy was a surgeon. Would you let that guy cut

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<v Speaker 1>into you? I don't think so. Thanks, I'm sorry, you're

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<v Speaker 1>just too creepy. Do you have any other doctors? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I could just die and'd be okay. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>on stupid miss?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah, they sent him.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you not keep him close to home?

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<v Speaker 1>Well fed and happy. I guess he was capturing Claire.

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<v Speaker 1>But still you have the thugs for that, You have

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<v Speaker 1>Tom and the other.

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<v Speaker 2>You had Danny, who you don't have anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, you had a variety of expendable persons to

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<v Speaker 1>go out and do that. Why are you sending each

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<v Speaker 1>good question? Keep him, keep him close to home, give

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<v Speaker 1>him a cage, you know, don't let him go. These

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't thinking things through and oh so much so

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<v Speaker 1>much storytelling going all over the place, never to be

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<v Speaker 1>seen again. So what somebody said to Jack that he

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<v Speaker 1>is a great leader, which makes him lonely, frightened and angry. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's all those.

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<v Speaker 2>I know? Does that mean, like you know, as a parent,

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<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to be a leader. So yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're a good parent, we're lonely and agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that just Jet?

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it's just Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's just although you know, when you're a

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<v Speaker 1>leader and you have to make the decisions, can be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of lonely frightened. I think parents are frightened the

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<v Speaker 1>fair amount of the time. What if this thing I've

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<v Speaker 1>done doesn't work? What if this thing I'd done worse? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>too well or not in the way I expected to?

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<v Speaker 1>And why want everybody just do what I say? So

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<v Speaker 1>there's lonely frightened to day. Yeah, it's the mark of

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<v Speaker 1>a leader. But I ain't going to get a tattooed

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<v Speaker 1>on my arm. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, especially not

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<v Speaker 1>some weird tattoo that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like a brand and yeah it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, a hot thing on a stick.

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<v Speaker 1>And what the heck did they do to Juliette's back? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks it seemed to me she wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to crouch down.

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<v Speaker 2>Like she did, yeah, to get the aloe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah if they had if because it looked like a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looked like a brand also, so.

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<v Speaker 1>That made me wonder if it was fake. But at

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<v Speaker 1>any rate, she's just has a high tolerance for pain.

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<v Speaker 1>She's as a strong girl. And I can't remember, honestly

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<v Speaker 1>what the deal is with her, but I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like every time she's in peril and they use that

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<v Speaker 1>to get Jack to do something, it's a setup, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way that he falls for it absolutely every

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<v Speaker 1>time without fail, you know, must bring them a great

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<v Speaker 1>deal of pleasure. Juliette anyway, Yeah, they'll do it to

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<v Speaker 1>save me. It'll be fine. I bunch of messed up

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<v Speaker 1>people here, for sure, that's not in this case. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of boring people do. But the issue with the setting

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<v Speaker 1>an ending date for this series was that as long

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<v Speaker 1>as they didn't know how many more or less how

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<v Speaker 1>many episodes they had to tell their story with, they

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<v Speaker 1>had to keep vamping, and season three was heavy on that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so once they had a end date, then they

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<v Speaker 1>could plan their story out on the number of episodes

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<v Speaker 1>that they had and theoretically make it tighter. Not that

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't go on plot safari from time to time,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, and I think that there were probably

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<v Speaker 1>if when this one aired they said, oh yeah, stop

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<v Speaker 1>doing this stuff. There were still some things in the

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<v Speaker 1>pipeline that hadn't been shown yet see xpas coming in

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<v Speaker 1>a few episodes. But yeah, this one, they did not

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<v Speaker 1>cover themselves with more Jack's tattoos. Yeah, nothing else to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. We're down to the tattoos. We're sure you've

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<v Speaker 1>all seen the tattoos and wondered. I have seen the tattoos,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wonder what we get next week. See next Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>we will continue with a season three episode ten of Lost,

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<v Speaker 1>Tricia Tanaka is Dead, which is a Hurly episode that

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<v Speaker 1>I remember being kind of a hoot. I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>remembering correct, Okay, but you know Hurly early. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>good time.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, except they don't like hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just remember this being maybe it's just because

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<v Speaker 1>it came after Strange Land and was like, oh, thank goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>is better. It does not have to do with Jack's tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah who, but yeah, I remember it's being kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So we will see you next week to watch that,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see you back here tomorrow to discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>Gilded Age where nobody is getting weird tattoos. But I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to tie down Aurora's husband and maybe mark

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<v Speaker 1>him as a weasome way, maybe with weasels branded across

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<v Speaker 1>his forehead will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be okay, I think Agnes will join you.

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