Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of July
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, we're continuing with Lost season three, episode nine,
Speaker 1: Stranger in a Strange Land. And just to kick off
Speaker 1: our discussion, I would like to read a paragraph from
Speaker 1: Lost Peace about this episode says this was one of
Speaker 1: the series' most poorly received episodes. The native fan reaction
Speaker 1: even prompted ABC to let the producers set the shows
Speaker 1: and date, And holy cow, is that an accurate description.
Speaker 1: I actually thought that the end date had come after
Speaker 1: the Nicky and Pallo episode a few further on here expose.
Speaker 1: But no, apparently it was the one about Jack's tattoos.
Speaker 1: They'd gotten to the point where, oh frak, we need
Speaker 1: another flashback. He's got tattoos? What up with his tattoos?
Speaker 1: That's a flashback? Well, I low, my goodness, you guys.
Speaker 3: The discussions with the creators and uh huh, there's one
Speaker 3: part it said, where is it the fact there was
Speaker 3: a bad casting decision made, there was a bad pre
Speaker 3: misdecision made, there was a bad flashbackstory. Just everything that
Speaker 3: could go wrong did. But I don't think it was
Speaker 3: because the script was terrible. Else here it is we
Speaker 3: used Matthew Fox's real tattoos. That's how desperate we were
Speaker 3: for flashbackstories.
Speaker 1: You think, oh, oh my goodness, really, you guys. And
Speaker 1: it's like coming after what I think was a really
Speaker 1: strong episode with Desmond, where they showed sort of the
Speaker 1: creativity they can do and the excitement that they could
Speaker 1: put into these storylines and the dread and the creepiness
Speaker 1: and the feeling of something larger going on here, and
Speaker 1: then we have this episode, which could not have been
Speaker 1: more kurthunk.
Speaker 2: I mean starting with the title like stranger in a
Speaker 2: strange land, like guys, I mean, I mean people live there.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not strange like the island. It's just
Speaker 2: a different country that you're not familiar with, you know, Like, oh.
Speaker 1: But he is he is not one of them?
Speaker 2: What was the thing that he's he's he walks about,
Speaker 2: but he is not one of us?
Speaker 1: Yes, that is it?
Speaker 2: That is it? Gross?
Speaker 1: Just then Yeah, and once again we have the whole
Speaker 1: is this thing that they're setting up Jack for really
Speaker 1: Juliette going against orders or is it made to look
Speaker 1: that way so that they can get Jack to do
Speaker 1: what they want? It seems entirely credible that it's all
Speaker 1: an act. Yeah, because it's worked before, and so why would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, manipulation being a strong suit of he's not been company.
Speaker 2: And we get another new evil person Isabelle.
Speaker 1: That's right, boy, they they turned up the evil dial
Speaker 1: way up on her. I don't remember her, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Well, and she also reminds me a lot.
Speaker 1: That she doesn't bake muffins.
Speaker 2: No, but she reminded me of finla Flann again from
Speaker 2: last week. Yeah, Like, I was really wondering if it
Speaker 2: was supposed to be her at a different.
Speaker 1: Time, but I don't think the name was different.
Speaker 2: I know it was different, and also the timing wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the one is eloise. Yeah, well, don't worry
Speaker 1: about timing.
Speaker 2: It's not as silent and you can count on it anyway.
Speaker 1: They can, they can pressto change oh the time with
Speaker 1: oh you know there was a time job seriously, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember her at all. I meant to look
Speaker 1: her up on Lost p D after I watched it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. But she yeah, they her direction was
Speaker 1: very clear to be somebody that you don't want to marry,
Speaker 1: whereas Tom friendly was actually kind of friendly in this one.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then there was the whole like listing of
Speaker 2: the others crimes that happened. Yeah, he wasn't wrong about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jack can be dense and has done some
Speaker 2: bad things, but also.
Speaker 1: So yeah right, well but then he sees some of
Speaker 1: the people they kidnapped and is sort of rude to them. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: although the little girl would have to say, well, well
Speaker 1: dead honey. Yeah, yeah, well that didn't go so well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess he can he can see or
Speaker 2: he believes that they've been thoroughly brainwashed, which seems to
Speaker 2: be the case.
Speaker 1: Maybe so, but lots of weirdness going on there.
Speaker 2: They were in that room with the just with Carl
Speaker 2: where their eyes were.
Speaker 1: Forced to Carl. Girl's been laying in his backyard with
Speaker 1: Alex looking at the stars, just like it, you know,
Speaker 1: Mayberry RFD here.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened downstairs, but there's been some.
Speaker 1: Activity apparently, so, yes, some others breached the perimeter.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're just trying to warn us. Yeah, asking once again,
Speaker 2: we are asking where's Vincent?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, if they could have just had him
Speaker 1: wander up with all the other people who were kidnapped,
Speaker 1: Vincent could just be with them. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: swam across that. It's not that he's had a lot
Speaker 1: of time on his hands.
Speaker 2: Sure, But we did get a little bit of Kate
Speaker 2: and Sawyer in this episode. It seemed like, maybe, you know,
Speaker 2: I already knew that it was going to be a
Speaker 2: Jack episode, but like you know, you start out with
Speaker 2: them in the in the boat, and right, well, it
Speaker 2: is about Jack. Because Kate's like, well.
Speaker 1: We have to go back, we have to go back.
Speaker 2: So there's like litter away those words. Listen, girlfriend, we
Speaker 2: are not going yea, there no way.
Speaker 1: But he does encourage Carl to go back, which is
Speaker 1: probably do we think Carl has it in him? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I think Carl is maybe made
Speaker 1: of the same stuff as Billy.
Speaker 2: What's his left?
Speaker 1: Ye the Gilded Age who you know.
Speaker 2: Takes one look at George and is like, you're not
Speaker 2: worth it, Gladys.
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's right, that's right. Carl's got the potential of
Speaker 1: being murdered, which I don't think Billy had risk. But
Speaker 1: it's still at the same time, you know, daughter of
Speaker 1: a powerful dad. Do you really want to go? You
Speaker 1: really want to go? There are there other girls around?
Speaker 1: Surely there are other girls around. Yes, wait a little while,
Speaker 1: that blondle from the plane will grow up and you
Speaker 1: can can go from Hi. But Alex seems quite ticked
Speaker 1: off by the whole thing, so took her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Whether it's on an island or in the Gilded Age, girls,
Speaker 1: you know you have to find find guys made a
Speaker 1: sterner stuff if you want to go up against the
Speaker 1: go up against your dad. Although maybe Carl's going back,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if he can make it back by himself,
Speaker 1: if he can take the boat, I guess I'll take
Speaker 1: the boat.
Speaker 2: But then it turns out they they're gonna they all
Speaker 2: leave that island anyway.
Speaker 1: So that's right to the place that they call. So
Speaker 1: there's a place on the main island that they usually are.
Speaker 1: They were just for this endeavor on prison Island. Where's
Speaker 1: the place with all the little houses and the muffins
Speaker 1: in the book that where they're going back to where
Speaker 1: they're going I guess so this was the place with
Speaker 1: the cages in the yeah.
Speaker 2: In the underwater operating theater, right, sure.
Speaker 1: Alrighty then sure sure.
Speaker 2: Don't ask this show to make sense, Terry.
Speaker 1: How much did they spend on sets for this thing? Man?
Speaker 1: And you know they did the the switcheroo where you
Speaker 1: see Jack walking on the beach but it's in Thailand.
Speaker 1: Gotcha made you light?
Speaker 2: And that little boy who's selling him soda.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then runs from him later on, but he's marked.
Speaker 2: He's marked well.
Speaker 1: And parenting tip. You know, I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: tell your kid never to get a tattoo, but find
Speaker 1: a reputable dealer and make sure you know what that
Speaker 1: individual is putting on you, and make sure it won't
Speaker 1: get you beaten up on the.
Speaker 2: Bench, Like maybe don't do have them do it? Force
Speaker 2: them to Yes, maybe not that tattoo to your body, Like.
Speaker 1: Just because you hate yourself that much. Just get me
Speaker 1: in as much trouble as possible, will you please? I
Speaker 1: feel like.
Speaker 2: Getting pad beaten up.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's about where he is at that point. But
Speaker 1: do we know did he ever mention going there in
Speaker 1: a previous episode, like I'm done with this, I'm going
Speaker 1: to Thailand, Or are we just supposed to think he
Speaker 1: had some vacation time at the hospital, or that we're
Speaker 1: supposed to think this is him hitting bottom, or just yeah,
Speaker 1: don't ask questions, Terry, it's lost.
Speaker 2: That's a question. I don't recall this being addressed before
Speaker 2: in the Jack timeline.
Speaker 1: I mean, did he hear that his ex wife was
Speaker 1: going on a honeymoon to Thailand and so he followed her?
Speaker 1: There is his dad there someplace? Or is he just
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the ends of the earth.
Speaker 1: And I put my finger down on a globe and
Speaker 1: here I am.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's still very messed up individual then and now and
Speaker 1: always probably. You know, one thing we learn here parenting
Speaker 1: tip wise is teach your child how to fly a kite.
Speaker 1: Teach them young, help them to know how to do
Speaker 1: it so that they're not on a beach and some
Speaker 1: trouble young woman who will be trouble comes up and
Speaker 1: helps him. And you know what, just it's a shouldn't
Speaker 1: be too hard. You know, Jack's dad didn't teach him.
Speaker 1: Add that to the list of things you know, you
Speaker 1: you say. Charles Woodmore got another check in the evil
Speaker 1: column last week. That's another check in the Jack's dad
Speaker 1: evil column. Didn't teach his son to fly a kite.
Speaker 1: Too busy with his doctor and stuff, Too busy saving
Speaker 1: people's lives to teach his child to fly a kit
Speaker 1: No wonder Jack is such a mess. I bet you
Speaker 1: a sawyer never had his dad teach him to fly akite.
Speaker 1: Probably locks dad definitely didn't teach him. Maybe out a window,
Speaker 1: but not Charlie's. Yes See, that's the problem. If all
Speaker 1: the people on this island had had their dad teach
Speaker 1: them how to fly a kite, how much happier being here,
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here. Nope, nope, nope. I bet every time
Speaker 1: we meet somebody's dad, we're going to have to ask ourselves.
Speaker 1: Did he teach his son how to fly a kite
Speaker 1: or his daughter how to fly a kite? I bet
Speaker 1: it's no all around so lost doing a service demonstrating
Speaker 1: the essential activity teaching your kid. Have you ever flew
Speaker 1: Have you ever flew a kite gathered? You know, not
Speaker 1: a fly kite?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't feel like it's that hard. Yes,
Speaker 2: he also was having trouble just assembling the kite in
Speaker 2: the first that's true, and he needed help from high
Speaker 2: heels on the beach girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to do it right there. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, oh, still feels like a scam.
Speaker 2: The minute she showed up, I was like, he no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, my husband could not understand why he
Speaker 1: had anything to do with her, and you know, basically
Speaker 1: the entire episode, but that in specific, so just because
Speaker 1: the script says right here in the script, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think I've flown a kite, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I think I think the flight the kites I have
Speaker 1: flown did not require assembly. I think you just kind
Speaker 1: of held them up and or your dad did. No,
Speaker 1: my dad was not a running with a kite kind
Speaker 1: of guy. He was older than that. But somebody must
Speaker 1: have done it, yeah, because it would you know. I'm
Speaker 1: not on an island someplace. My life is not a tragic,
Speaker 1: tragic mess. So somewhere someone in my past must have
Speaker 1: flown a kite with me. Yeah. And another parenting tip,
Speaker 1: be careful with who gives your kids pep talks. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna, if you're gonna send uncle Sawyer to
Speaker 1: go talk to the kid, go over a few points
Speaker 1: ahead of time to make sure that they're gonna tell
Speaker 1: your kid to do the right thing and not give
Speaker 1: bad advice and not make fun of them and give
Speaker 1: them nickboks. So maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2: Although it's it's kind of, you know, a rite of
Speaker 2: passage to get a nickname from Sawyer.
Speaker 1: So that is true. I think you had gotten several,
Speaker 1: probably in the canoe, though I think it called him
Speaker 1: many things. Oh my, So we had another round of
Speaker 1: the Ben is gonna die again unless we get Jack
Speaker 1: to work on him again. What are we gonna do again?
Speaker 1: So Ethan was their surgeon? Is that what Ben said? Yes,
Speaker 1: we had an excellent surgeon. His name was Ethan. That
Speaker 1: guy was a surgeon. Would you let that guy cut
Speaker 1: into you? I don't think so. Thanks, I'm sorry, you're
Speaker 1: just too creepy. Do you have any other doctors? Maybe
Speaker 1: I could just die and'd be okay. But if you
Speaker 1: only have one surgeon, why are you sending him out
Speaker 1: on stupid miss?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, they sent him.
Speaker 1: Why would you not keep him close to home?
Speaker 2: That's a very good point.
Speaker 1: Well fed and happy. I guess he was capturing Claire.
Speaker 1: But still you have the thugs for that, You have
Speaker 1: Tom and the other.
Speaker 2: You had Danny, who you don't have anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, right, you had a variety of expendable persons to
Speaker 1: go out and do that. Why are you sending each
Speaker 1: good question? Keep him, keep him close to home, give
Speaker 1: him a cage, you know, don't let him go. These
Speaker 1: people aren't thinking things through and oh so much so
Speaker 1: much storytelling going all over the place, never to be
Speaker 1: seen again. So what somebody said to Jack that he
Speaker 1: is a great leader, which makes him lonely, frightened and angry. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's all those.
Speaker 2: I know? Does that mean, like you know, as a parent,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be a leader. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: if we're a good parent, we're lonely and agree.
Speaker 1: Or is that just Jet?
Speaker 2: I hope it's just Jack.
Speaker 1: I hope it's just although you know, when you're a
Speaker 1: leader and you have to make the decisions, can be
Speaker 1: kind of lonely frightened. I think parents are frightened the
Speaker 1: fair amount of the time. What if this thing I've
Speaker 1: done doesn't work? What if this thing I'd done worse? Yes,
Speaker 1: too well or not in the way I expected to?
Speaker 1: And why want everybody just do what I say? So
Speaker 1: there's lonely frightened to day. Yeah, it's the mark of
Speaker 1: a leader. But I ain't going to get a tattooed
Speaker 1: on my arm. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, especially not
Speaker 1: some weird tattoo that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a brand and yeah it's like
Speaker 2: a you know, a hot thing on a stick.
Speaker 1: And what the heck did they do to Juliette's back? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks it seemed to me she wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to crouch down.
Speaker 2: Like she did, yeah, to get the aloe.
Speaker 1: Yeah if they had if because it looked like a
Speaker 1: burn or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked like a brand also, so.
Speaker 1: That made me wonder if it was fake. But at
Speaker 1: any rate, she's just has a high tolerance for pain.
Speaker 1: She's as a strong girl. And I can't remember, honestly
Speaker 1: what the deal is with her, but I just feel
Speaker 1: like every time she's in peril and they use that
Speaker 1: to get Jack to do something, it's a setup, right,
Speaker 1: and the way that he falls for it absolutely every
Speaker 1: time without fail, you know, must bring them a great
Speaker 1: deal of pleasure. Juliette anyway, Yeah, they'll do it to
Speaker 1: save me. It'll be fine. I bunch of messed up
Speaker 1: people here, for sure, that's not in this case. Kind
Speaker 1: of boring people do. But the issue with the setting
Speaker 1: an ending date for this series was that as long
Speaker 1: as they didn't know how many more or less how
Speaker 1: many episodes they had to tell their story with, they
Speaker 1: had to keep vamping, and season three was heavy on that.
Speaker 1: And so once they had a end date, then they
Speaker 1: could plan their story out on the number of episodes
Speaker 1: that they had and theoretically make it tighter. Not that
Speaker 1: they didn't go on plot safari from time to time,
Speaker 1: but you know, and I think that there were probably
Speaker 1: if when this one aired they said, oh yeah, stop
Speaker 1: doing this stuff. There were still some things in the
Speaker 1: pipeline that hadn't been shown yet see xpas coming in
Speaker 1: a few episodes. But yeah, this one, they did not
Speaker 1: cover themselves with more Jack's tattoos. Yeah, nothing else to
Speaker 1: talk about. We're down to the tattoos. We're sure you've
Speaker 1: all seen the tattoos and wondered. I have seen the tattoos,
Speaker 1: but I wonder what we get next week. See next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we will continue with a season three episode ten of Lost,
Speaker 1: Tricia Tanaka is Dead, which is a Hurly episode that
Speaker 1: I remember being kind of a hoot. I hope I
Speaker 1: remembering correct, Okay, but you know Hurly early. It's a
Speaker 1: good time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, except they don't like hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just remember this being maybe it's just because
Speaker 1: it came after Strange Land and was like, oh, thank goodness,
Speaker 1: is better. It does not have to do with Jack's tattoos.
Speaker 1: Yeah who, but yeah, I remember it's being kind of fun.
Speaker 1: So we will see you next week to watch that,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you back here tomorrow to discuss the
Speaker 1: Gilded Age where nobody is getting weird tattoos. But I
Speaker 1: would like to tie down Aurora's husband and maybe mark
Speaker 1: him as a weasome way, maybe with weasels branded across
Speaker 1: his forehead will.
Speaker 2: Be okay, I think Agnes will join you.
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