Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in a Manhattan
Speaker 1: jail cell seven years ago to the day. And in
Speaker 1: the wake of them finding Jeffrey Epstein in that jail cell,
Speaker 1: we ended up with more questions than we ever did answers.
Speaker 1: And you would think over the years that there'd be
Speaker 1: some sort of reckoning with that and that the American
Speaker 1: people would be told the truth. But time and time
Speaker 1: again it's been the complete opposite. Whether that's the OIG
Speaker 1: report or the congressional whitewash that's being led by James Comer,
Speaker 1: the purpose remains the same, protect the blast radius at
Speaker 1: all costs. And up until recently, they thought they got
Speaker 1: away with it, and they thought that everybody was just
Speaker 1: going to accept the bullshit narrative that they tried to
Speaker 1: give us about what happened to Jeffrey Epstein in that
Speaker 1: jail cell. So today we have an article from Politico
Speaker 1: and the headline Jeffrey Eppsstein's death was supposed to bury
Speaker 1: the truth. It did the opposite. This article was authored
Speaker 1: by John F. Harris. Seven years ago today, Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: was found hanging in a Manhattan jail cell, and the
Speaker 1: usual reactions to a sudden, violent death were reversed. It
Speaker 1: was the people who abhorred the convicted sex offender, his victims,
Speaker 1: and all of those who sympathized with them, who were
Speaker 1: stricken with sadness and anger. Now they've feared the full
Speaker 1: truth about this man and his odious life would never
Speaker 1: come out. Can you imagine how many people were excited
Speaker 1: when Jeffrey Epstein died, All those people that he was
Speaker 1: associated with, all those people he was in business with,
Speaker 1: all those people he was financially connected to. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine how happy they were? Because remember, Epstein wasn't even
Speaker 1: in there long enough to play ball, Like literally, wasn't
Speaker 1: in that gail long enough for them to get him
Speaker 1: to talk. Epstein was still under the impression that he
Speaker 1: was going to get out. Sure he had lost the
Speaker 1: fight for Bell, but that's not the end of it.
Speaker 1: We all know that, especially when you're rich, plenty of
Speaker 1: other avenues available to you. Look at Glenne Maxwell's bitch
Speaker 1: ass convicted, turned down by every court in the land,
Speaker 1: and here we are still talking about some form of clemency.
Speaker 1: So the doors never really closed. Is it. The anniversary
Speaker 1: of Epstein's demise is occasion to note two paradoxes that
Speaker 1: have emerged over those seven years, the most vividly in
Speaker 1: recent months, as it's become clear that Epstein was a
Speaker 1: more consequential figure and more emblematic of assortid age even
Speaker 1: than we knew at the time. Oh, hold on, what
Speaker 1: do you mean we you refuse to believe it. You
Speaker 1: were too busy playing politics. You were too busy calling
Speaker 1: people maga when they were bringing up Jeffrey Epstein, and
Speaker 1: you guys have to own that shit. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there who act like they care now,
Speaker 1: who were nowhere near the front line when all of
Speaker 1: this was cracking off. Instead, they show up late to
Speaker 1: the party, like walder Frey talking about Oh, we had
Speaker 1: no idea. No, we had an idea, you just wouldn't listen.
Speaker 1: The first is the surprising degree to which the truth
Speaker 1: did indeed come out and answers were not left hanging
Speaker 1: with Epstein in the cell two twenty on the ninth
Speaker 1: floor of the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Yes, there are important
Speaker 1: matters of detail that remain clouded by mystery. These include
Speaker 1: the precise details of how Epstein killed himself in a
Speaker 1: supposedly secure facility according to the official medical examiner's conclusion,
Speaker 1: which still some doubt. I'm some okay, I don't believe
Speaker 1: the narrative. And when you have so many conflicting reports
Speaker 1: from experts in the field, I guess it's just which
Speaker 1: one you want to believe, right, Do you want to
Speaker 1: believe what the state's providing you or do you want
Speaker 1: to believe what doctor Boden had to say when it
Speaker 1: comes to the high bone and the other circumstances that
Speaker 1: have not been explained by the government. Me personally, I
Speaker 1: think that doctor Boden is telling the truth. What does
Speaker 1: he have to gain by lying? What exactly would Michael
Speaker 1: Boden gain? Meanwhile, what would the state gain? Also the
Speaker 1: full illumination of his relationship with Trump and why it
Speaker 1: apparently dissolved early in the two thousands. Many of the
Speaker 1: survivors of Epstein's crimes also remain distraught and hungry for
Speaker 1: more answers. I mean, can you blame them after all
Speaker 1: these years, after all the bullshit, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: we should blame them for wanting more answers? How about
Speaker 1: we focus some of that blame on the authorities that
Speaker 1: could have provided the answers but chose not to. But
Speaker 1: the nature of Epstein's monstrously manipulative character and the ease
Speaker 1: in which he ensnared some of the planet's wealthiest and
Speaker 1: in many cases, most accomplished people, is now commonly understood
Speaker 1: in a way that it almost certainly would not have
Speaker 1: been if he had lived. Listen. People have been telling
Speaker 1: you this since the nineties. If you chose not to listen,
Speaker 1: or if you chose to just write it off because
Speaker 1: it didn't fit into your political ideology, that's on you.
Speaker 1: And it's a very dangerous thing to do. Oh well,
Speaker 1: Trump doesn't like this, so I have to like it.
Speaker 1: It's a very dangerous way to live life. And what
Speaker 1: you're doing is you're letting someone else control your emotions.
Speaker 1: And it caused a lot of damage when it comes
Speaker 1: to Ebstein in the early days of this investigation, because
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people that were discounting what
Speaker 1: the survivors were, even saying, I mean, look at ABC,
Speaker 1: they refused to run the Amy Roeboch interview with Virginia,
Speaker 1: even though she gave them the goods. She told them
Speaker 1: everything all about Andrew all about Epstein, all about the operation,
Speaker 1: and ABC chose not to run it, So don't tell
Speaker 1: us you didn't know. Perhaps you would have reached a
Speaker 1: settlement with prosecutors or gone to trial under the rules
Speaker 1: of evidence focused narrowly on the few crimes, rather than
Speaker 1: receiving scrutiny over the broad contours of his life. Annie
Speaker 1: Epstein associate, who exhaled in gratitude at his passing in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, had it exactly wrong. The ruin of reputations
Speaker 1: caused by this scandal was only beginning. So back then,
Speaker 1: when we didn't have anywhere near the momentum that we
Speaker 1: have now, we were able to force out jess Daily,
Speaker 1: Les Wexner, and Leon Black. And that's a pretty big deal, folks.
Speaker 1: And I told you at the time that's not something
Speaker 1: to sneeze at. That's a big accomplishment. Those are very
Speaker 1: powerful people. And if it wasn't for the pressure that
Speaker 1: all of you who have been around from the jump
Speaker 1: put on these people, well that would have never happened.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's a small consolation considering the crimes that
Speaker 1: were committed financially and otherwise, but at least it's something
Speaker 1: what we know now the backscratching and body bandonage with
Speaker 1: cringe inducing specificity that was the essence of how Epstein
Speaker 1: nurtured his elite relationships is a gift of posterity. It comes,
Speaker 1: of course, because of the documentary gold mine of his
Speaker 1: massive troph of vmales. These were released under an Act
Speaker 1: of Congress, largely because important voices in the MAGA movement
Speaker 1: later joined Democrats defied Trump's reluctance and insisted they be released,
Speaker 1: and I got to give them credit. Look, I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan of Thomas Massey or you know, Marjorie Taylor
Speaker 1: Green or any of these people, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: but I'll give credit where it's due. And if people
Speaker 1: have good ideas, I'm willing to listen. But as far
Speaker 1: as supporting politicians or political movements, I've learned my lesson.
Speaker 1: Neither of these scumbag parties care about me. And if
Speaker 1: you think I'm gonna fight with my friends or my
Speaker 1: family about that shit, you're crazy. Oh sure we can
Speaker 1: have converse, as we can talk about it, but as
Speaker 1: far as you know, using it as a divisive tool
Speaker 1: for me, no way. Those days are long over. And
Speaker 1: that's because I understand that they want the pitchforks and
Speaker 1: the torches at each other's throats. They don't want us together,
Speaker 1: they don't want us storming their castle. They want us
Speaker 1: burning each other's villages, and I refuse to take part
Speaker 1: in it. That gift of posterity, as it happens was
Speaker 1: central to the second paradox of the Epstein Anniversary, and
Speaker 1: it's an uncomfortable one. At the time, his death looked
Speaker 1: like a cowardly end to a despicable life of con
Speaker 1: artistry and sexual predation that soon mercifully to be forgotten.
Speaker 1: Cowardly and despicable remain true. Soon to be forgotten is
Speaker 1: not happening. Epstein's life, it seems probable, will be known
Speaker 1: and studied and written about one hundred years from now
Speaker 1: he's dead. But the narcissist in Epstein might perversely appreciate
Speaker 1: that his historical persona will outlive all but few of
Speaker 1: his contempt libraries. Look It's true, for better or worse,
Speaker 1: this was an evil man that was engaged in a
Speaker 1: lot more than just sexual predation, and that's why over
Speaker 1: the years I've tried to focus on all of the
Speaker 1: other aspects as well, especially the financial angle. I think
Speaker 1: it's very important that people understand that there were levels
Speaker 1: to this and that Epstein was engaging in many different crimes.
Speaker 1: And while of course the sexual predation was the worst
Speaker 1: of the worst, those are going to be the hardest
Speaker 1: crimes depend on these people. And if you notice, that's
Speaker 1: why the DOJ has focused solely on that. You don't
Speaker 1: hear them talking about the NPA. You don't hear them
Speaker 1: talking about the financial angle. In fact, they don't even
Speaker 1: want to give up those records. They don't want those
Speaker 1: financial records out there. That's why they're fighting tooth and
Speaker 1: nail to release them. The primary reason is because of
Speaker 1: his web of relationships we now know is deeply revealing
Speaker 1: of how an age that produced vast power and wealth
Speaker 1: became unhinged, at least in some elite precincts from self restraint,
Speaker 1: judgment or simple decency. Yo, that's all of them. And
Speaker 1: what's so juicy now is I've told you this for
Speaker 1: how long? And the emails just backed up everything I said.
Speaker 1: So to all those people who discounted this shit for
Speaker 1: all those years, how do you want that crow served up?
Speaker 1: You want some ketchup? Because I'm serving up heaps of
Speaker 1: crow and the wild. This part is, it's not like
Speaker 1: I had some secret knowledge. All you had to do
Speaker 1: was listen to what the survivors were saying at the
Speaker 1: time and then dig in. And the evidence was right there.
Speaker 1: But people didn't want to see the evidence for what
Speaker 1: it was. They thought that they were going to hurt
Speaker 1: themselves politically. Remember what Nancy Pelosi's daughter said, some of
Speaker 1: our faiths are going to be caught up in this,
Speaker 1: and she was not wrong. Not everyone whose reputation was
Speaker 1: besmirched by disclosure of their Epstein interactions was an intimate
Speaker 1: of his or necessarily knew the details of his criminal
Speaker 1: procurement or exploit of underage girls. But in most instances
Speaker 1: that have come to light, they knew of his reputation
Speaker 1: as a lotharro who was Trump said in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two, like women on the younger side, Like, what
Speaker 1: does that even mean? Honestly, I understand if you're talking about, oh,
Speaker 1: I like girls in their mid twenties. All right, cool, dude, whatever, Great,
Speaker 1: have a good time as long as everybody's consenting. Great.
Speaker 1: That's not what he meant, though, And it's not like
Speaker 1: he was looking for girls that were eighteen in America,
Speaker 1: either he was looking for vulnerable girls that he could control. Oh,
Speaker 1: they went on their own. They kept coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he had their fucking immigration paperwork, because he controlled
Speaker 1: their lives, and because he was threatening them. But sure,
Speaker 1: yeah they came back. And for the vast majority of
Speaker 1: women in Epstein's orbit, they were preyed upon. Now, there
Speaker 1: certainly were women that were in his orbit that were
Speaker 1: helping him out, and We've talked to them relentlessly, and
Speaker 1: I've called for their arrest for years. But if we're
Speaker 1: talking about a sixteen year old girl or a seventeen
Speaker 1: year old girl who was brought into this madness and
Speaker 1: then turned into a recruiter herself, do you really think
Speaker 1: that that's the same level of Sarah Kelln Vickers. Because
Speaker 1: I assure you a jury will not just like Trump.
Speaker 1: Many of them concluded this contributed rather than detracted from
Speaker 1: an appraisal that he was a terrific guy and a
Speaker 1: lot of fun to be with. Likely in nearly every case,
Speaker 1: these people were attracted to Epstein because of his wealth,
Speaker 1: his access to others with wealth, his aeroplanes and his island,
Speaker 1: and his self fashioned or as an intellectual savant who
Speaker 1: used his bespoke brain to make money in ways that
Speaker 1: ordinary mortals couldn't understand. Literally, none of that's true. The
Speaker 1: guy was an absolute moron. Oh sure he had some charisma,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't some genius. Certainly not some scientific genius.
Speaker 1: The guy was a scamed through and through. If Vari's
Speaker 1: and Little Finger had a baby, it would be Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein's bitch ass. If someone in the early twenty second
Speaker 1: century is curious about what the top levels of American
Speaker 1: life were like early in the twenty first century, it'll
Speaker 1: be hard to avert their gaze from someone whose career
Speaker 1: intersected in ways that echoed damagingly with two presidents Trump
Speaker 1: and Clinton. Royalty, the former Prince Andrew and the foremost
Speaker 1: technologist of the twentieth century and the foremost philanthropist of
Speaker 1: the twenty first century, Bill Gates, a one time Prince
Speaker 1: of Wall Street, jess daley of JP Morgan Chase and
Speaker 1: later CEO of Barclays, a star of academia and government,
Speaker 1: former Treasury Secretary and Harvard President Larry Summers, and a
Speaker 1: long roster of the wealthiest people in the world, such
Speaker 1: as Epstein, confidant Leon Black, the private equity Titan, as
Speaker 1: well as some of its most prominent intellectuals like linguist
Speaker 1: Noam Chomsky, Nobel laureate and molecular biologist Richard Axel, and
Speaker 1: computer scientist and un obomber victim David Glenter. Sounds like
Speaker 1: just a guy with some predation problems, right, not like
Speaker 1: a guy who's connected at the highest levels. Weakness of
Speaker 1: the flesh. The bottle and the purse are not a
Speaker 1: recent phenomenon. Nor will people studying this era a century
Speaker 1: from now be startled to learn that lust and greed
Speaker 1: can lure people to bad places. But there are three
Speaker 1: distinct signatures of the Epstein scandal that will surely cause
Speaker 1: them to wonder. What were those friends and associates of
Speaker 1: Epstein's thinking, Well, i'll tell you, fellow travelers, they don't care.
Speaker 1: The only sin to them is being broke. You can
Speaker 1: abuse children whatever you want, just don't be broke. A
Speaker 1: notable feature of Epstein's emails is the intense hunger for
Speaker 1: connections revealed by many of the people caught up in
Speaker 1: the scandal. Recall that almost all of the famous exams
Speaker 1: involved people who already had amassed large achievements and presumably
Speaker 1: had lots of friends who didn't have previous sex crimes
Speaker 1: convictions as Epstein did from two thousand and eight onward,
Speaker 1: but they were hypnotized by the Epstein flame. Even so,
Speaker 1: were they or did Epstein have dossiers on some of them?
Speaker 1: That is the uncomfortable truth that a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about. Still, the fact that Epstein
Speaker 1: most certainly had dossiers. Now to what extent, who knows,
Speaker 1: but he most certainly had them. Jess Staley, who traded
Speaker 1: emails with Epstein filled with suggestive references to women using
Speaker 1: Disney characters say how to snow White in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, opened himself up to the man who would
Speaker 1: later destroy his career. I owe you much. I appreciate
Speaker 1: our friendship. I have few so profound. And when all
Speaker 1: of that was happening with Staley back in the day,
Speaker 1: people were like, yeah, right, they were not that close.
Speaker 1: Staley had no idea, this is all over a blown JP.
Speaker 1: Morgan would never let that happen. Well, guess what those
Speaker 1: people were wrong. Summers was seeking dating advice from Epstein.
Speaker 1: Somemrs wanted to know what to do about a woman
Speaker 1: who was treating him as a friend without benefits just
Speaker 1: before Epstein was arrested again in twenty nineteen. You might
Speaker 1: suppose that one benefit of being Bill Gates is that
Speaker 1: you would no longer be thirsty for anything. But that's
Speaker 1: not the case. In twenty eleven, he mailed the colleague
Speaker 1: about Epstein, his lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing.
Speaker 1: Although it wouldn't work for me. His lifestyle is kind
Speaker 1: of intriguing. Say what now? What exactly mister Gates is
Speaker 1: intriguing about molesting and hurting a bunch of girls. It
Speaker 1: definitely didn't work. From Linda French Gates, who reportedly dissolved
Speaker 1: their marriage in part because of disgust with her husband's
Speaker 1: intersection with the Epstein scandal. Another signature of the Epstein
Speaker 1: files merits a nod to Hannah. Aren't the banality of creepishness?
Speaker 1: The notorious collection of tributes assembled for Epstein's fiftieth birthday
Speaker 1: is a good example. These purported friends and high achievers
Speaker 1: toasted Epstein with page after page of double entendres and
Speaker 1: shortling sexual references of the sort early adolescents might scribble
Speaker 1: in a middle school yearbook. There was the apparent drawing
Speaker 1: from Trump he denies it of a naked woman with
Speaker 1: his name signed where a pubic hair would be. Notably,
Speaker 1: at midlife, there were notes from people recalling the time
Speaker 1: they helped each other through the illness of a parent,
Speaker 1: or even a time they stayed up until three am
Speaker 1: talking about politics and sports at an all night diner.
Speaker 1: This is life at the top. The superficiality of Epstein
Speaker 1: and his horny rich friends was a revelation. Not for me,
Speaker 1: it was a confirmation. I've been telling you how degenerate
Speaker 1: these people are for a very long time. And when
Speaker 1: I worked at counter Fitzgerald CG Gaming in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: and I met with some one of those people, OHOK,
Speaker 1: confirmed everything I needed to know. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about banality, you want to talk about degeneracy, Wall Street
Speaker 1: is where to find it. One more reality unveilved by
Speaker 1: the Epstein files is arguably, without overdoing it, more appealing.
Speaker 1: The remarkable social fluidity reflected in the modern elite. In
Speaker 1: an earlier era, inherited social class was a powerful force
Speaker 1: facilitating careers of people to the manor born, but an
Speaker 1: infuriating limitation for many other talented people. Epstein's circle included
Speaker 1: privileged kids like Staley, whose father was a CEO and
Speaker 1: who went to Boden before Wall Street, but it also
Speaker 1: included Epstein's most important patron, Leslie Wexner, the billionaire retail
Speaker 1: investor who grew up as a middle class son of
Speaker 1: a Russian immigrant and went to Ohio State. Epstein himself
Speaker 1: grew up near Coney Island and dropped out of college.
Speaker 1: It turns out modern social moras which were work, networking,
Speaker 1: scene making and showing displays of wealth, no matter whether
Speaker 1: new or old, or a more potent force than previous
Speaker 1: generations old chum country club culture. This was a phenomenon
Speaker 1: that had already been established earlier in this century by
Speaker 1: the Bernie made Off scandal. And it's true things have changed,
Speaker 1: right It used to be a very exclusive club when
Speaker 1: we're talking about the upper crust. Watch a show like
Speaker 1: The Gilded Age. Obviously not the truth, but it gives
Speaker 1: you a little bit of an idea. You can just
Speaker 1: show up with new money and be accepted into high society. Nowadays, though,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you have a bunch of dough.
Speaker 1: You're in. Who cares what you do. You could be
Speaker 1: a child abuser, you can be a gun runner, you
Speaker 1: can be in the cartel, doesn't matter. What can you
Speaker 1: do for me? What doors can you open? How can
Speaker 1: I benefit? What is true in twenty twenty six that
Speaker 1: was not true in twenty nineteen is that Jeffrey Epstein's
Speaker 1: name is going to live in national memory for as
Speaker 1: long as people are curious about the Trump era. Those
Speaker 1: emails will find an audience for decades to come. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But where the doubt remains
Speaker 1: is what's gonna come of it. Is there going to
Speaker 1: be change? Are people going to be held accountable? That's
Speaker 1: the question that remains up in the air, and that's
Speaker 1: the question that needs to be answered in the days
Speaker 1: to come. All Right, folks, that's going to do it
Speaker 1: for this one. All the information that goes with this
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