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Detectives dot net. But now, from March twenty seventh, nineteen

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fifty two, here is the Big Rose.

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Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true. The

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names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a

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detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. A thirty eight

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year old woman disappears. She leaves her sister and her

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four children behind. There's evidence of foul play. Your job

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find her.

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Speaker 3: Drag mat the documented drama of an actual crime. For

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the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles

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Police Department, you will travel step by step on the

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side of the law through an actual case transcribed from

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official police violence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.

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Dragnet is the story of your police force in action.

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Speaker 4: It was Monday, June third, was overcast in Los Angeles.

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We were working the day watch out of homicide detail.

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My partner's aid, Jacob's the boss's that brown, Chief of detectives.

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My name is Friday. I was on the way back

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from communications and it was eight fifteen am when I

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got to Room forty two homicide. Joe, let's do I Brian?

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You seen Ed went all a minute, said he'd be

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right by. Oh thank you. I don't see anything in

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the book. Nothing new, huh, not much pretty slow.

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Speaker 5: Now's your mother, Joe? Or she wasn't feeling too well?

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Speaker 4: No, she's not. As a matter of fact, doctor says

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to anemia. It's gonna take a little time to get

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over it. I guess I'm sorry to hear it. I

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gotta do some checking down at the auto desk.

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Speaker 5: If I get any calls, I hadn't to switch it

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down there with you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure will, Brian, thanks you bet you? Oh, excuse

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me for.

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Speaker 5: Me, Tom all right?

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Speaker 4: Ed, what'd they give you?

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Speaker 5: Missing report? Woman? How about the Ma'm no.

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Speaker 4: It's nothing, not the missing report there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all here. Someone out on sixty fourth Street

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names Rose Baker. It's been gone about a week.

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Speaker 4: Last scene Tuesday, May twenty seven pm. Who's this? It

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made the report Carl Shelton, Who's he's her boyfriend.

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Speaker 5: Miss Baker's husband died about five years ago. It's been

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running around quite a bit since then. Had a lot

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of man trouble.

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Speaker 4: She disappeared before then.

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Speaker 5: Huh yeah, half dozen times. Never been gone this long though.

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Holmes took this report from Shelton. He gathered Miss Baker's

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not too stable. She's going to drink quite a bit.

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Doesn't see to care anything for her home or kids.

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Speaker 4: Seeing here she has four children. They're living with her aunt,

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missus Baker's sister. It's kind of a funny arrangement in there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Baker. Woman packed her bags and walked out of

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the house about a year ago. Her sister's been taking

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care of the kids ever since. My mother comes back

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for a visit once in a while.

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Speaker 4: Miss address we've got on missus Baker. It's the same

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address as her boyfriend, Carl Shelton.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. They both have apartments in the same building.

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Speaker 4: This a recent picture of miss Baker supposed to.

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Speaker 5: Be Yeah, nice looking woman.

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Speaker 4: Huh. Sister's listed here as the last person who saw Well,

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how's that Baker?

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Speaker 5: Woman?

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Speaker 4: Still wasn't living at home, was she?

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Speaker 5: According to the sister, missus Baker came over to the

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house to see her the night she disappeared, sometime around

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eight o'clock. Two of them had some business to talk over.

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Seems the sister had a check for four hundred dollars

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she got from selling some furniture. Claimed the kids had

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been sick, she had doctor bills to pay.

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Speaker 4: Missus Baker's sister took care of things to that extent.

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Speaker 5: Apparently, anyway, after the sister got the check for selling

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the furniture, Miss Baker wanted half the money. Sister said,

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that's why she came to see her that night. Two

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of them got in the car and went out to

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find somebody to cash a check.

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Speaker 4: One drink of water, no, no thanks, Then you get

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a four hundred dollar check cash at eight o'clock at night?

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Speaker 5: Would you know, sister sitting miss Dickon, did somebody good

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cash at farm? Turned out the person couldn't cash it.

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a Baker took a car and went to look up

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somebody else she thought could cash it. That was it.

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Speaker 4: Who was is somebody else?

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Speaker 5: Well? I did? Sister claimed she doesn't know. Miss Baker

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Speaker 4: Sounds like missus Baker wanted the whole check, wouldn't you say?

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Speaker 5: That's what the sister figured, and Miss Baker didn't come back.

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She finished the glass of beer, left the barn, started

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walking home. Two blocks from the house, she found her

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car park and it was time to Miss Baker. Car

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keys were in the glove compartment. So it's a sister's

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share of the money. Two hundred dollars in cash.

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Speaker 4: Well, how about the firm that issued the check? They

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get it back canceled?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of days ago. Miss Baker's endorsement on

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the back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah sounds pretty wild, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: The whole thing does talk to half dozen people who

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saw miss Baker that night. None of their stories gibed

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Hony mean. Her boyfriend, Carl Shelton, he claims Miss Baker

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told him she was going out of town for a

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few days with a girlfriend.

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Speaker 4: They check it out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, girlfriend didn't know anything about it. Then they talked

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to a woman who works with Miss Baker. She said, yeah,

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the Baker woman was planning a trip. Miss Baker mentioned

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anything about it to her sister. No, sister said, Miss

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Baker told her just the opposite, said she was getting

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out of her apartment into a new place. She's going

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to spend the next couple of days moving. They checked

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the boyfriend. Shelton said, if Miss Baker was moving was

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new to him.

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Speaker 4: Either she's a liar or one of her friends are huh.

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Speaker 5: It's all Baltic stuff. No two stories anywhere near like, what.

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Speaker 4: Do they figure for a motive? They got a line

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on anybody who might have wondered out of the.

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Speaker 5: Way, big field to pick from. She fought with Carl Shelton,

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she fought with his sister, some of the people she

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worked with. She had three four other men around town

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on the string too. Any one of them could have

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wanted her out of the way.

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Speaker 4: All our relative has been checked out, all our friends

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places she'd be most likely to go.

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Speaker 5: I'll check not a trace of or nothing.

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Speaker 4: I guess we better start moving on. It a lot

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of ground to cover. See if we can't straighten out

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some of those stories.

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Speaker 5: One thing's sure, somebody's Lyne.

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Speaker 4: Eight thirty five am. Before we left the City Hall,

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we checked with Sergeant Holmes and Missing Persons who had

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taken the report on Rose Baker's disappearance. He had nothing

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to add to what was in the report with what

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he'd already told ed. First on the interview list was

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the sister of the missing woman, Bernice Maron. She was

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employed as a saleswoman for a grocery supply firm. We

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called at the home where Miss Maron lived with her

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four nieces and nephews, but there was no answer. The

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next door neighbor told us that Miss Marron was working,

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that she usually didn't get home until four or fifteen

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or four thirty in the afternoon. In the meantime, we

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figured we might as well check the next name on

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the list, Missus Baker's boyfriend, Carl Shelton. We'd already checked

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him through our and I and he had no record.

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We drove out to his address, a three story apartment

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house on sixty fourth Street. Shelton's apartment was on the

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main floor rear. He answered the door in his bathrobe

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and slippers. He told us that he was employed at

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one of the local oil refineries, and that this particular

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week he was working the graveyard shift eleven at night

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until seven in the morning. He showed us back to

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a small kitchen at the rear of the apartment. While

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we questioned him, he fixed a percolator of coffee and

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put it on the stove.

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Speaker 5: You're sure about miss Baker's plans are and she never

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mentioned anything to you about moving out of the apartment

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house here, you know.

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Speaker 6: And never somebody's handing you a line there. If Rosie

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was going to move, she'd tell me about it.

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Speaker 5: This minute.

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Speaker 6: I gotta get that coffee.

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Speaker 5: Looks about that?

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Speaker 6: He always watch some java.

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Speaker 4: Got an old potfully, Yeah, Noah, and I'll thank you.

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How long did you say you've known miss Baker?

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Speaker 6: About a year year and a half. You got along

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pretty good, she'd right from the start. Sure don't understand

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her taken off like this.

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Speaker 4: Miss Baker ever talked to you much about the family,

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her sister, four children. I mean, did you see them regularly?

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Speaker 6: I don't think i'd know that. Rosie never had much

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to say about him. The only thing I could gather

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was that she just got sick of the routine, you know,

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keeping up a house, doing the wash, mopping dust, and

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taking care of four kids.

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Speaker 5: She just checked out.

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Speaker 6: That's all her sister beniee takeover. You ask me. She

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never should have had a family to begin with. Rosie

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isn't the kind. She's a party girl, likes a good time,

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you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Something I don't understand.

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Speaker 5: Shelton.

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Speaker 4: You said a minute ago you couldn't figure out miss

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Baker's going off like this when you filed a missing

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report on her. You said she was planning a trip

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out of town.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Well, isn't it possible she might have taken off without

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telling you? No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: She'd have told me she's planning a trip, all right,

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But she wasn't going to leave till the next night,

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Wednesday night. She's going to pick up this girlfriend of hers, Iris,

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and the two of them were going to take the

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bus down to Laguna for a couple of days.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's our understanding this girlfriend Iris didn't know anything

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about the trip. Can you explain that?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I guess Rosie forgot to tell her. I can't figure

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these women sometimes. Maybe she was gonna phone her Wednesday morning.

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She knew Iris could get away almost anytime.

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Speaker 5: And you think it's possible she might have gone down

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to Laguna by herself.

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Speaker 6: No, that's not like Rosie. Besides, before I went in

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a reporter missing, I called a couple of places down

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Laguna where Rosie usually stops that they hadn't seen her.

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Speaker 5: Possible she might have gone some other place.

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Speaker 6: No, without telling me. No, desides, she wouldn't go alone.

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I know that, Sheldon.

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Speaker 4: We understand missus Baker was friendly with two or three

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other men around town. You think it's possible she might

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have gone someplace with one of them.

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Speaker 6: Sheldon, No, No, I can't buy that. If it was

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eight months ago, i'd say maybe, but not not.

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 6: We had it out, that's all, it was all settled.

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She wouldn't do anything like that. Again, pretty sure about that?

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I am yeah, positive. I didn't get it at all.

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She wouldn't do that. To me and off just packing

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up and leaving. Rosie wouldn't do that to me. She's

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got four children. Yeah, she did it to them.

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Speaker 4: We questioned Carl Shelton for another half hour, but he

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failed to come up with anything in the way of

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a definite lead. Ten forty a m. We drove to

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the home of the missing woman's girlfriend and Iris Kirby.

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Two things she was pretty definite about. She knew nothing

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about an out of town trip Missus Baker was supposed

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to have planned for the two of them, and secondly,

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she had no use for Carl Shelton. She told us

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that Shelton was her ex boyfriend and that she had

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introduced him to Rose Baker, and that shortly after that

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he dropped her. A few weeks later, Shelton began to

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keep steady company with Missus Baker. Outside of her personal

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grievance against Shelton, Iris Kirby had nothing to offer in

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the way of a lead to the whereabouts of her friend.

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Eleven thirty a m. We got in the car and

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headed for the factory in the south end of town

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where Rose Baker was employed. We stopped off in the

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way for lunch, a bowl of soup and a sandwich.

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Had had a cheeseburger and a piece of pie before

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we left. We checked the office to see if there

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were anny calls. Nothing. The place where missus Baker worked

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was on Santa Fe Avenue, a one story building covering

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almost half a block. They manufactured men's work clothes, shirts,

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and overalls. We checked with a personnel office. We asked

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if Rose Baker had any friends that she worked with.

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We were told that there was a Mildred Dunn who

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was a fairly close friend of the Baker. Woman ed

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and I waited in the office while they sent down

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to the plant for Mildred Dunn.

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Speaker 5: Miss Dunn, that's right, police officers. My name's Jacobs. Is

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my partner starting Friday.

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Speaker 7: How do you do are you?

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Speaker 4: I'd like to ask a few questions about Rose Baker,

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missus Dunn. I understand you're pretty close friend to hers.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's right. I've known Rose ever since she came here.

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She worked on the machine next to me.

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Speaker 5: She come home yet No, not yet. You remember miss

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Baker saying anything you about taking a trip, Miss done

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mean just before she disappeared.

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Speaker 9: Yes, she did. She'd been looking forward to it.

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Speaker 8: That's probably where she is, don't you think off on

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her trip?

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Speaker 4: Oh we don't know, ma'am. Did you mention anything definite

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about the trip to you? Where she was going when

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she was leaving, Well, I.

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Speaker 8: Think she was going to Laguna Beach.

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Speaker 9: It's hard to tell.

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Speaker 8: She's always kidding around, Rose is. Once she said she

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was going to fly to Switzerland for a vacation, Sam Fritz.

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She's always kidding around like that. Oh, that's so like

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Once when she had a date with Fred, she said

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she was going to the pump room in Chicago, you know,

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just being funny.

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Speaker 4: I see who is this Fred? Missus dune fell.

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Speaker 8: In the shipping department. Fred Lyons nice fella.

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Speaker 4: He and Missus Baker so much of each other.

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Speaker 8: They used to, yes, quite a bit. I don't know

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if they were serious about each other. I thought they

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were till a last month or so. Maybe they had

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a tip or something. Maybe Rose got tired of him.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but you do to think the two

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of 'em were serious at one time.

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Speaker 8: Oh yes, it wasn't more than a month ago, and

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all of a sudden they weren't sweet on each other.

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Least Rose wasn't about him.

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Speaker 9: She told me that I guess we.

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Speaker 4: Better check on him.

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Speaker 8: Ed.

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Speaker 4: Is this Fred Lyons working to day? Do you know?

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Speaker 8: Ma'am?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 8: No, he quit last Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: One fifteen pm. We finished questioning, Mildred done and we

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went back to the personnel office to get Fred Lyons's

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description the last known address. We checked out the address,

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but Lyons had moved out the previous Tuesday and left

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no forwarding address. We questioned the landlady, looked over his rooms,

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checked through the neighborhood, and talked to everybody he knew.

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We found nothing to indicate that Lyons had anything directly

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to do with Rose Baker's disappearance, but we did find

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out that he knew missus Baker and that he thought

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quite a bit of her. We went back to the office.

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Gott a broadcast and an apb on Lions.

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Speaker 5: I want to check the book, Josie. If we got

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any light calls?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, right, homicide Jacob, that's right? All I sure?

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Where was that? All right? Thank you got something? Yeah?

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Hollywood Division, woman's purse fond the bacont lot out there,

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high school kid founded a lot of identification inside. Yeah,

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Rose Baker. Three point fifteen pm.

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Speaker 4: The purse was brought downtown to the crime lab for

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detailed examination. Brian and Barrett from Homicide went out to

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interview the boy who found the purse and to check

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the neighborhood where it was discovered. Meantime, Ed and I

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drove out to talk to the missing woman's sister, thirty

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six years old, Bernie Marrin. She and her sister's four

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children lived in a five room stuck out house just

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off Exposition Boulevard. We got there shortly after Miss Maron

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returned home her job. Her two older nephews were out

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in front cutting the lawn. She showed us into a

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neatly kept living room where we interviewed her. She was

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a plain looking woman, brown haired, gray eyes. She showed

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little concern about her sister's disappearance.

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Speaker 11: I gave up trying to keep track of her a

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long time ago. Sorry, and I haven't any idea where

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she's gone. I used to worry about her.

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Speaker 5: I don't you know how about that person of hers

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that was found the sapronym Miss Mariam. Wouldn't you say

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that makes it a little unusual?

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Speaker 9: An I don't think so. She loses things all the time.

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I don't know what she does.

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Speaker 11: When she goes off of those things. I don't want

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to know. It's drunk and does a lot of fooling around.

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I suppose she's lost two or three persons the same way.

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Speaker 4: What about last Tuesday, the night she disappeared, you know,

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so she'd been bringing in.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I got the idea she'd had a couple of

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highballs before she came over. She wasn't drunk, but she

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wasn't feeling any pain. I will say, would you excuse me?

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I want to yell with the kids out there? Yes,

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ma'am right right, that's enough of that playing around out there.

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Speaker 9: Let's decided person that lawn more.

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Speaker 2: Huh okay, no.

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Speaker 9: Better, hurry up. You still got the backyard, you do, remember?

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Speaker 1: Yah?

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Speaker 11: Well, a good thing that came out of that married

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sergeant throws kids out there. There's two more besides Frank

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and Bobby. The girls, my nieces. One's nine, one, seven,

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marvelous kids. Girls are just as pretty as pictures. I'm

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glad I have a chance to take care of them.

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I guess I just like kids. I can't understand it

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when people don't appreciate them. I don't have a family

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of my own.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I see, miss Marin, when you were with your

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sister last Tuesday night, you say she didn't mention anything

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at all about taking that trip out of town.

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Speaker 9: No, just the opposite.

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Speaker 11: Like I told you, she said she was moving out

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of her apartment into a new place. That's why she

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needed the money.

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Speaker 3: M m.

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Speaker 5: Well, what's the story about this money your sister came

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to pick up, Miss Mann. I don't think I quite

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got that clear.

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Speaker 11: Well, we had this baby grand piano my mother gave

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Rose to me just before she died. Kids have been

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sick the last couple of months, one thing and another.

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I needed a little money to catch up on some

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doctor bills, so I sold the piano and I needed

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to do it, but the bills had to be paid.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 11: Rose found out about it somehow, and she wanted half

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of the money I got for the piano. She wanted

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the money for herself, and she wasn't even willing to

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pay for her own kids doctor bills.

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Speaker 9: It'd be different if I was charging her to take

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care of the kids.

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Speaker 4: I just do it because I like them.

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Speaker 11: Well, anyway, she found out about it and I had

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to split the check with her.

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Speaker 9: The whole thing was for four hundred dollars.

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Speaker 5: I understand your sister got the check cash that night.

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Speaker 9: That correct, Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 11: It was eight o'clock at night. But Rose said she

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knew somebody who'd cash it. She wanted the money that

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night and save an argument. We got in the car

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and went to see this friend of hers, some bartender.

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He couldn't cash the thing, so Rose took the car

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and went out to look up another friend she thought

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would cash it. I didn't want to go chasing all

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over town with her, so I stayed at this bar

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and had a beer.

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Speaker 3: M hm.

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Speaker 4: And that's the last time you saw your sister's Yes.

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Speaker 11: I waited a couple of hours, and then I walked home.

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With two blocks from the house. I saw my car

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pulled up the curb right on Exposition Boulevard. Car keys

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were in the glove compartment, two hundred dollars in cash

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right under them.

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Speaker 9: No sign of Rose, though.

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Speaker 5: Well, what time was it when he got back to

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the house.

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Speaker 11: You remember, it was after eleven It close to eleven thirty.

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Speaker 9: I think I went right to Ben And.

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Speaker 4: Since that time, you've had no indication where your sister

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might have gone, No form calls, no letters, no word

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from one of her friends who might have seen.

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Speaker 9: No, not a thing. She's in trouble.

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Speaker 11: You can't understand why I'm coming for a long time,

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last five years, going downhill all the time.

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Speaker 9: She's no good, sergeant. I don't know how it happened.

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Just no good at all.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Miss Barren.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, ma'am.

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Speaker 9: Oh, not at all. No trouble. Yes, I'd better get

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dinner started for the kids.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you hear anything about your sister, we'd appreciate it.

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If you give us a call.

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Speaker 11: Yes, all right, it's going to be the same old story,

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same thing all over again.

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Speaker 9: You can bet on it, ma'am.

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Speaker 11: She'll come back when the money's gone.

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Speaker 4: Five point fifteen pm, ED and I drove back downtown

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and went directly to the crime lab. The missing woman's purse,

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which had been found in the vacant lot out in Hollywood,

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had been examined thoroughly. They'd found nothing that had provided

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us with a new lead. We checked communications, but there

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was still no answer to the APB we'd gotten out

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on Fred Lyons, the man who'd worked with Rose Baker

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and who dropped from sight the same day she did.

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Thirty pm. We got back to the squadroom.

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Speaker 5: Hi, I'm Brian. You just get back. Yeah, you get

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the word. No, what's that missus Baker? They just found

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her body.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet authentic stories of your police

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force in action.

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Speaker 4: June third, Monday, six pm, the body of thirty eight

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year old Rose Baker had been discovered in the Hollywood

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Hills area, approximately three fourths of a mile from the

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intersection of Mulholland Drive and oaknol Terrace. A dirt road

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branched off to the left of Mulholland and wound about

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three hundred yards down the hill to a dead end stop.

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Just below the guardrail which circled the edge of the road.

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There were two eucalyptus trees. They overlooked a deep ravine

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covered with scrub oak and patches of laurel. Halfway down

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one slope of the ravine they found the body of

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the missing woman. There were two bullet holes in the

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left side of the skull. There was another one at

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the base of the throat. In her clenched right hand.

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There was a fifty cent piece. The immediate area surrounding

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the body had been roped off and Lieutenant Lee Jones

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and the crime lab crew were making their preliminary investigation.

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There was no sign of the murder weapon. The coroner arrived,

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and when the preliminary investigation was completed, the body was

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taken downtown to the County Morgue. All clothing and personal

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effects were removed from the body and sent to the

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crime lab for detailed examination. Rose Baker's sister, Bernice Meron,

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was brought to the County Morgue and identified the body.

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A few minutes after ten o'clock that night, ed and

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I got back to the office.

475
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Speaker 12: I got it.

476
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Speaker 4: I'm side Friday, is it, Sergeant Friday? Yeah, sir, that's right.

477
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,519
Speaker 12: This is Carl Shelton.

478
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Speaker 5: Sergeant.

479
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,440
Speaker 6: You were out to talk to me this morning.

480
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Speaker 4: You remember, Oh yeah, Sheldon, I heard about Rosie.

481
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,519
Speaker 12: Just a couple of minutes ago.

482
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Speaker 10: I got to talk to you, Sergeant.

483
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:54,599
Speaker 12: I gotta tell you.

484
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Speaker 5: Was that?

485
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 4: So do you want to tell me now?

486
00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 6: I don't want to tell you on the phone.

487
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,039
Speaker 10: I'll drive in to see you.

488
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Speaker 12: I'll leave right now.

489
00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:00,160
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, all right, do you mind telling me what

490
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:00,599
it's about?

491
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:00,920
Speaker 12: Yeah?

492
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 10: I know who killed Rosie?

493
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 4: Eleven oh eight pm Karl Shelton arrived at the office

494
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,319
ed and I took him down the hall to the

495
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interrogation room, where he gave us his story. He told us,

496
00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:16,119
first of all, that he was well acquainted with most

497
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,640
of the regular customers at the tavern where Rose Baker

498
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,599
and her sister had first stopped to cash the four

499
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,400
hundred dollars check. He told us one of these people,

500
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,480
Leroy Hanson, had contacted him after he read in the

501
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,319
morning paper about Missus Baker's murder.

502
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,039
Speaker 6: I've known Larroy at least four or five years. He

503
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,519
used to work with him. He wouldn't lie to me.

504
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,559
Speaker 5: What this pellattas Shelton, that's Leroy Hanson. He said.

505
00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 6: He got to the bar a little after midnight. Hadn't

506
00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:39,559
be at least that because Leroy doesn't get off work

507
00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:41,839
to eleven thirty. Said he saw Rosie sitting in a

508
00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:43,599
car parked a couple of doors down from the bar.

509
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,279
There was a woman in the car with her. He

510
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,559
described her just like Rosie's sister. They were having a

511
00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:47,920
beef and.

512
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 4: His friend of yours here what missus Baker and this

513
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,559
woman were talking about.

514
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 6: No, but he's smart enough to know a big argument

515
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,200
when he sees one, he says, they were really going

516
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,200
to it? Is he sure about the time? He's got

517
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,240
to be. Larroy works at a sheet metal plants south

518
00:20:58,279 --> 00:21:00,480
of town. He gets off at eleven thirty, takes him

519
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,039
more than a half hour to get in. Why should

520
00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:03,720
he lie about it. He wasn't even gonna mention it

521
00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:04,880
till he found out she was dead.

522
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 5: This woman, he says, Miss Baker was with She fits

523
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,160
her sister's description that.

524
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 6: Close exactly, and there was a guy with Leroy.

525
00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 4: He'll back it up.

526
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,519
Speaker 6: If the sister says she wasn't sitting in that car

527
00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:14,880
with Rosie outside that bar after midnight, she's a liar,

528
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:15,400
well she is.

529
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,559
Speaker 4: If you can prove your story.

530
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 6: Here's the phone you asked Learroi.

531
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Speaker 4: Eleven twenty two pm. We put in calls to both

532
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,519
of the men who were supposed to have seen Rose

533
00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,839
Baker and her sister Bernice sitting in a parked car

534
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,960
outside the tavern six nights before. Both of them corroborated

535
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,160
Carl Shelton's story down to the last detail. They were

536
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,480
especially certain about the time. Bernice Marron told us that

537
00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:43,200
on the night her sister Rose disappeared, she hadn't seen

538
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,119
her after nine fifteen PM, and that she had walked

539
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,240
home and was in bed by eleven thirty. Both Leroy

540
00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:51,160
Hanson and his friend told us that they had seen

541
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,000
Rose Baker and a woman answering her sister's description sitting

542
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,240
together in a car parked outside the tavern. They were

543
00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:00,000
both certain at the time that it was well past midnight.

544
00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:02,839
We made a check on Leroy Hanson and his friend.

545
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,480
As far as we were able to find out, there

546
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,559
was no logical reason why they should lie about what

547
00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:09,000
they'd told us. Ed and I got in the car

548
00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:11,039
and drove out to the home of Bernice Maron, just

549
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:14,440
off Exposition Boulevard. It was twenty minutes past midnight. We

550
00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:16,359
rang the front doorbell and got her out of bed.

551
00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 9: Oh officers and then who it was? Come in?

552
00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 5: Thank you man?

553
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 11: Oh, you have to wait long before I answered, I

554
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,319
sleep pretty sound.

555
00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:28,079
Speaker 5: Would have to ask you to get dressmas Maren like

556
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,000
to talk to you downtown.

557
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: Why what's the matter, Well, some more questions we have

558
00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:32,960
to ask you, ma'am. A few more things we have

559
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,759
to clear up about your sister. It's pretty important.

560
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 11: I've told you everything I know. I don't like to

561
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,279
go out and leave the kids alone at night. What

562
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,519
is it you want to ask me about?

563
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 4: Well, you told us the last time you saw your

564
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,759
sister was about nine fifteen last Tuesday night, and it's marya.

565
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,559
Speaker 9: Yes, that's right.

566
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 4: We've got a couple of people who claim they saw

567
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,079
you with your sister after midnight Tuesday. You were sitting

568
00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:52,440
with her in your car parked outside of tavern. You're

569
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,480
having an argument with her. At least two people saw

570
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,359
you and they'll swear to that.

571
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,839
Speaker 9: No, that couldn't be right. They said it was after

572
00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,839
midnight and they saw me.

573
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, that's what they say.

574
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 9: And do you believe it? You believe it was me?

575
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am.

576
00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 9: We do you think I killed Rose? Said it?

577
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:16,599
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am. We think so. How about it, miss marn It'll.

578
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,519
Speaker 11: Take me a minute to get my clothes on. I

579
00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:20,680
want to talk to the oldest boy man if you, Frank,

580
00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:21,440
But it'll be all right.

581
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 4: I'll have to go along with you, all right, this.

582
00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:31,079
Speaker 9: Way down the hall in here. I don't want to

583
00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:37,960
wake the other kids fighting helping, all right, Frank.

584
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:44,519
Speaker 7: Wake up, Frank, Frankie, what do you want as I

585
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,079
hate to wake you up, Frankie, I'm gonna have to

586
00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,960
go downtown tonight. I'm leaving now in case I'm not

587
00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:50,559
here when you and.

588
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 9: The kids get up. I want you to take care

589
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,720
of everything, all right, honey.

590
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,319
Speaker 12: Okay, what do.

591
00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 7: You have to go downtown for it?

592
00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,279
Speaker 11: Well, it's something about your mother. Frank might take a

593
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,759
little time. You see the girls get off to school

594
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:04,160
on time in the morning, won't you, Bobby too. The

595
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,880
sandwiches are all made, they're in the ice box. All

596
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,359
you have to do is put them in a paper sack.

597
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,039
Speaker 9: All right, yeah, okay, why do you have to go now?

598
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:13,279
Speaker 4: Can't you wait until tomorrow?

599
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 11: I'm afraid not, Honey. You take care of everything, huh.

600
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,279
Make sure all the doors are lot and don't forget

601
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:19,920
to feed the dog.

602
00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 5: No, I'll forget.

603
00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:22,279
Speaker 4: What's the matter?

604
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 5: Is anything wrong?

605
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:23,279
Speaker 10: Oh?

606
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 4: Of course not now.

607
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 11: If something happens so I can't get back tomorrow, I'll call.

608
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 9: You on the phone.

609
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:31,279
Speaker 11: All right, Yeah, okay, you'll be sure and call huh,

610
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,880
I'll call you, honey. Go to sleep now, it'll be

611
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,400
all right. You get some sleep. Good night, thank'ee.

612
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, good night.

613
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,319
Speaker 11: I'm sorry to keep you waiting. I had to tell

614
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,240
Frank what to do. The kids wouldn't understand. I mean

615
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:49,759
if they woke up and didn't find me here.

616
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, what'd you do with a murder gun? Miss?

617
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,799
Speaker 9: Ma'm in my garage. I'll show you.

618
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,519
Speaker 11: I had her for kids to raise. It's not easy.

619
00:24:57,319 --> 00:24:59,519
You know what it costs to feed them, put clothes

620
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:02,960
on their back. It's not the kids I minded. They're wonderful.

621
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,519
I love every one of them. I'm glad to get

622
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,400
the chance to raise them. Never married myself, never had

623
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,640
any of my own. Hasn't been easy at all, working

624
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,200
all day, coming home, cooking for them, doing the wash,

625
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,880
trying to keep the house clean. Rhodes never gave me

626
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,079
a dime to pay a bill for her own kids too.

627
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,599
She gave us nothing, and she tried to take everything,

628
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,440
tried to bleed me for my last dollar. I catched

629
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,200
the check that night and said she was going to

630
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,279
keep all the money. I couldn't stand anymore. We are

631
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,079
you and I killed her?

632
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I'm sorry, ma'am.

633
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:30,079
Speaker 5: We'll have to go.

634
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 9: Yes, all right, Well I do, sergeant, What'll I say?

635
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: I advise you to tell the truth. You'll get a

636
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:39,559
fair trial.

637
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,799
Speaker 9: I know that it's not what I mean. What do

638
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:43,839
you mean inside there? What am I going to say?

639
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:44,799
How'll I explain it?

640
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 5: Ma'am?

641
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,759
Speaker 9: The kids? How do you tell four kids you killed

642
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:48,160
their mother?

643
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names

644
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,880
were changed protect the innocent.

645
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: On October third, trial was held in Superior Court, Department

646
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:07,240
ninety two, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California.

647
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:18,279
In a moment the results of that trial, When their aunt,

648
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,279
Bernice Alberta Meren, was apprehended on suspicion of one to

649
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,319
eighty seven PC, the four Baker children were taken into

650
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,559
protective custody by juvenile authorities. Bernice Maren was indicted for

651
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,559
murder and entered a plea of self defense. She claimed

652
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:33,599
that at the time of the murder, her sister attacked

653
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:35,880
her with a knife while they argued over the division

654
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,799
of the four hundred dollars check. Bernice Maren was tried

655
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,440
in Superior Court by a jury composed of nine men

656
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:53,720
and three women. She was found not guilty. You have

657
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,680
just heard Dragnet a series of authentic cases from official files.

658
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,279
Technical advice comes from the Office of Ties Chief of

659
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:04,519
Police W. H. Parker Los Angeles Police Department Technical Advisors

660
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:08,720
Captain Jack Donahoe, Sergeant Marty Winn, Sergeant Fans Bracer. Heard

661
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,599
tonight were Barney Phillips, Virginia Gregg, Vic Perrin. Script by

662
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,000
Jim Moser, music by Walter Schumann, Hell give Me Speaking.

663
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 4: Next, It's Counterspy on NBC.

664
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:50,599
Speaker 1: Welcome Back. What kind of an interesting ending in that

665
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,680
she was acquitted? It what was mean? With quite a

666
00:27:54,680 --> 00:28:00,279
few questions about the real life situation as well some

667
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:07,440
of the adaptation issues, like did the alleged attack from

668
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:13,160
Rose actually happen or was it something that she made

669
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:18,559
up later. It does seem like when police confronted her

670
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,319
that would probably be one of the first things that

671
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,160
she would say. The adaptation leaves it feeling like that

672
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,839
she acted in anger, so it'd be more like a

673
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,240
case of perhaps manslaughter. And of course, if the self

674
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,160
defense story was true, it seems like there would be

675
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:45,200
some corroborating evidence in the car or on the body,

676
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,200
although this might also be a case of a situation

677
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,119
where you could say to someone no jury in the

678
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:59,160
world would ever convict me if I took some rash action,

679
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,000
and it actually is true, Bernice would be a very

680
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,640
sympathetic defendant, and a lot of people, if not most people,

681
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,279
have had a relative similar to Rose, so maybe that

682
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:21,880
sympathy overrowed any evidence. If, on the other hand, it

683
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:29,359
really was self defense and there was not any sort

684
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,920
of maliciousness, you'd hope that she would get a custody

685
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,119
of the kids back, or at least that that process

686
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,440
would be considered. But again, there is a limit to

687
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,839
what we can know from the Dragonet radio play. All right, well,

688
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,640
now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day.

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00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,039
Thank you to Nancy, Patreon supporter since March of twenty sixteen,

690
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currently supporting the podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of

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seven dollars and fourteen cents or more month. Thanks so

692
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much for your support, Nancy, and that will do it

693
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696
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be back next Thursday with another episode of Dragonet. But

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00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:21,039
join us back here tomorrow for yours truly, Johnny it

698
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:21,799
all or where?

699
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Speaker 12: Nice to hear from you again, Johnny. What can I

700
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:24,640
do for you?

701
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:28,519
Speaker 10: Roy? I'm putting this call on expense account. Oh ain't that?

702
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: Ain't all?

703
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,519
Speaker 10: If I could make connections down to New York. Well,

704
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:33,799
let's see, there's a plane leaving for the West Coast

705
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,039
a little after midnight, so i'd arrive in LA early

706
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:36,799
in the morning.

707
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Speaker 12: Coming out of here.

708
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,319
Speaker 10: Unless somebody's been pulling my leg, Roy, you have a

709
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,119
policy holder named Helen Daner, Yes, we certainly do. Well, now,

710
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:45,720
what's that mean.

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Speaker 12: She's an elderly woman of Spenser who lives up in

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the little town Tomorrow Bay, that's about two hundred miles

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north of here, Johnny. She called his office early this afternoon.

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She demanded your phone number there in Hartford, and well

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I didn't give it to her.

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Speaker 3: Why not us?

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Speaker 12: She wouldn't say why she wanted to get in touch

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with you, knowing how busy you always are. Will, But

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just a few minutes ago I began to wonder about it. Yes, well,

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after all, if she wanted to contact you about some insurance.

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Speaker 10: Matter, Yeah, well, did you call her back?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, since we hadn't lot her insurance, that is, I

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tried to, but I got no answer.

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Speaker 10: And right I'm going to grab that plane I was

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talking about.

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Speaker 12: Well, I wait, did you get to you. Did you

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talk to her?

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Speaker 10: Yes, and it has something to do with her insurance money.

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So I'm flying out there riot your company's expense, not

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just a minute, unless, of course, you'd rather pay off

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her insurance to some beneficiary, honey, then just be sure

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to have a rental car waiting for me when I

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pull into the airport.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime,

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send your comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net,

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Boise Atohole. This is your host, Adam Gray, him signing off.