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Speaker 1: All right, Jesse, I'm about to blow your mind, bro.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see it all of the Trump stuff
Speaker 1: where he's been talking about, you know, taking Greenland and Canada,
Speaker 1: in Mexico and Venezuela. Uh. I talked to a guy
Speaker 1: recently that told me that even if it's unbeknownst to Trump,
Speaker 1: he is ushering in uh the Book of Revelation because
Speaker 1: it talks about the b system and he had the
Speaker 1: ten horns, right, so they got this technique map that
Speaker 1: these technocrats are trying to bring together ten nations, and
Speaker 1: the North American nation they're trying to form is all
Speaker 1: of the country is that Trump's been talking about taking
Speaker 1: over here recently.
Speaker 2: Holy, this is gonna be good. All right, let's on second, slagging.
Speaker 1: Sound from there.
Speaker 2: If you don't know, now, you know that's crazy, bro?
Speaker 2: How how it all just kind of keeps fold unfolding
Speaker 2: the way it does? Man? He getting out of it. Man,
Speaker 2: You're you're a part of the story, bro.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The only The only thing I know from my experience
Speaker 4: and the little that I looked into, the reason that Trump,
Speaker 4: at least what I understand, the reason he was going
Speaker 4: for Greenland is because a lot of the weaponry, artillery
Speaker 4: and everything on the other side there, they're not able
Speaker 4: to actually cross the ocean because they don't have enough
Speaker 4: whether it's fuel or enough weaponry to get to us
Speaker 4: in America. So their whole idea, I thought, was to
Speaker 4: try to take over Greenland so they have a starting position,
Speaker 4: like a platform to then eventually be able to reach
Speaker 4: to the United States.
Speaker 2: At least that's what I understanding of it is, and.
Speaker 4: That's why Trump quickly went in there and was like,
Speaker 4: hang on, hold up, we're gonna go ahead and take
Speaker 4: Greenland now before they all started going at it, because
Speaker 4: you already know that China's eyeballs were looking at it,
Speaker 4: and everybody else on the other side. Russia was even
Speaker 4: looking at it too, and it was like, everyone's got
Speaker 4: to get there quick. If you're planning on taking out
Speaker 4: the United States, you need Greenland. Please, to my understanding, man,
Speaker 4: how do you feel about that? Have you read that
Speaker 4: too in the news?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I see what he's saying too. But of course,
Speaker 1: I mean there's always alterior motives and multifaceted you know
Speaker 1: angles with things. It's never just one. But I can
Speaker 1: definitely see the security thing because it's so close to Russia,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like the buffer between US and Russia.
Speaker 1: So if there is intercontinentent missiles coming, they can blast
Speaker 1: them out before they get too close to us, you.
Speaker 4: Know, right.
Speaker 1: But of course there's you know, natural resources and things
Speaker 1: like that in Greenland. I'm sure he'd like to get
Speaker 1: a hold of. But finly, fear was as if we
Speaker 1: did that, then the other countries of the world would
Speaker 1: have been like, okay, America's doing it. It's okay for them,
Speaker 1: so we're going to do it. So China they wanted
Speaker 1: Taiwan forever, so then they would just go ahead and
Speaker 1: in Baye Taiwan and take it, because the United States
Speaker 1: took Greenland, and the same thing with Russia and the
Speaker 1: whole what's that country's name again, a Ukraine? Ukraine. So yeah,
Speaker 1: all the other world leaders be like, okay, it's okay
Speaker 1: for America to do it, so it's okay for the
Speaker 1: rest of us too.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: It's a very strategic scary game man, because you think
Speaker 4: it's just oh, just go in there, do what you
Speaker 4: got to do, buckle down and hold the fort, and
Speaker 4: it's like, that's not how it goes. There's so many,
Speaker 4: like you said, levels to it. Each one of those
Speaker 4: variables hasn't you know, you do you change one percent
Speaker 4: by the time it gets to the end, that whole
Speaker 4: trajectory could be anything at that point and a lot
Speaker 4: of people's and people's lives are at stake, livelihood's economies
Speaker 4: are at steak, the trade systems at stake.
Speaker 2: There's a lot.
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm just a barber broo and a
Speaker 4: content creator. Man, I'm gonna I know my lane too,
Speaker 4: but I also see where it's like how it kind
Speaker 4: of plays out, and it's scary, bro you know.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like you're talking to me and you before
Speaker 1: we started recording, we have a Christian lens, so we
Speaker 1: actually get to look at some of these things, not
Speaker 1: just carnally but through you know, spiritual warfare kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And just like that video we watched, Revelation talks about
Speaker 1: the Beast systems coming with ten horns, you know, horns
Speaker 1: or a symbol for authority. So it's talking about ten kings. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. They're trying to form these ten nations.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of, you know, going along with the Bible.
Speaker 1: But I'm a firm believer of Deuteronomy thirty two, where
Speaker 1: it talks about the nations were divided amongst the maday
Speaker 1: hi iloheem the sons of God. And Psalm's eighty nine
Speaker 1: talks about how long will you rule unjustly show partiality
Speaker 1: to the wicked? You know, you desire to live the
Speaker 1: eternal life, but you shall die and fall like any prince.
Speaker 1: So you have world leaders, but you have spiritual filling
Speaker 1: sons of God that are ruling over the nations and
Speaker 1: whispering into the year of at these world leaders.
Speaker 4: I believe, no, dude, I have one hundred hundred percent believe.
Speaker 4: But I just get an interview with Gabe parole Man.
Speaker 4: He's a kid, He's not a kid. He's a young man.
Speaker 4: And he died and he went to heaven for eighteen days,
Speaker 4: you know, like you know, when you die here, eighteen
Speaker 4: days in heaven ain't nothing. But like he died and
Speaker 4: he was in a coma and while he was there
Speaker 4: he basically said that he saw the third Heaven, and
Speaker 4: on his way to the third heaven where God is,
Speaker 4: he said he passed the second heaven, and when he
Speaker 4: was there he was able to see the spiritual warfare.
Speaker 4: And when you look back to Earth, is exactly what
Speaker 4: you just said. He said he saw all of these.
Speaker 4: You know, I guess we almost can say high ranking
Speaker 4: spiritual authorities that are in on the world leaders or
Speaker 4: on the leaders themselves, whispering in their ears telling them
Speaker 4: what to do and what not to do, and everything's
Speaker 4: going to play out the way it is man, So
Speaker 4: that just goes to show man. That's like just confirmation
Speaker 4: on that. And this is coming from somebody who literally
Speaker 4: died and when to heaven and came back.
Speaker 2: To tell us this.
Speaker 4: So for us to have that kind of like insight,
Speaker 4: this is that spiritual insight that the world, like you said,
Speaker 4: has no idea even exists unfortunately, and that's why we're
Speaker 4: in this position even deeper, you know. But but as
Speaker 4: long as we keep a spiritual Christian lens to this student,
Speaker 4: we should be able to navigate it. And at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, the mission is going down, you know,
Speaker 4: the world is going to end, but we can at
Speaker 4: least pivot ourselves to try to save as many people
Speaker 4: as we can and reduce the number of casualties.
Speaker 2: At least that's my insight on it. Man.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it even says that that's the whole
Speaker 1: reason why he tarries in delays is for the lost.
Speaker 1: He's trying to hold out as long as he can
Speaker 1: because he don't want to lose any of his children.
Speaker 1: But even that thing that we were talking about, it's
Speaker 1: so cool that you see it in the Bible, and
Speaker 1: that's what Paul is talking about. You know, we battle
Speaker 1: not against flesh and blood, but against rulers, so palities,
Speaker 1: spiritual wickedness in high places. That's I believe who he's
Speaker 1: talking about there, and we see it in the Bible
Speaker 1: Zegiel twenty eight. You know, he's talking to the King
Speaker 1: of Tire, condemning him. Then all of a sudden the
Speaker 1: language changes. He's like, oh, you were in the garden
Speaker 1: of Eden, perfect in all your ways. To iniquity was
Speaker 1: found in you, and you know, talks about all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's talking about Satan, the spirit behind the King
Speaker 1: of Tire. So I mean, yeah, you see that stuff
Speaker 1: all through the Bible.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, you're definitely one percent, man. That's why.
Speaker 4: Like when I was growing up, man, you when you
Speaker 4: were labeled a conspiracy theorists, everyone looked at you funny.
Speaker 4: But now it's like, if you're a conspiracy theorist, you're
Speaker 4: actually just someone who's just rational and normal and they
Speaker 4: can see the world for what it truly is. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm a conspiracy theorist all day. I'm just a normal person.
Speaker 4: And usually the conspiracy theorists go on their ways until
Speaker 4: the truth gets revealed and then everyone you know, no
Speaker 4: one ever apologizes to the conspiracy theorists, of course not.
Speaker 4: But while we're there, we are trying to warn people
Speaker 4: because it's not like we want to be, you know,
Speaker 4: it just happens to be unfolding that way, man, So
Speaker 4: it's our job to do that. I feel like, man,
Speaker 4: And it's really fun.
Speaker 1: That movie twenty ten, What is it with the Woody
Speaker 1: Harrelson where the world's coming to in the end? Is
Speaker 1: that what it is?
Speaker 2: Twenty ten?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Woody Harrelson is the conspiracy theorist. He's warning everybody,
Speaker 1: and everybody's laughing at him and stuff. But he's that
Speaker 1: crazy cook in the RV hanging out at what was
Speaker 1: it that volcano park and you'll see MD or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of waiting for that mountain to explode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, he said.
Speaker 2: It finally happened. I told you, Oh, man, that was
Speaker 2: what he mean.
Speaker 4: But man, I'm trying to think of like what else,
Speaker 4: Like it's just been it's been an onslaught of things.
Speaker 4: Bro So, Like I'll be honest, I like I kind
Speaker 4: of step in and then I get beat down, and
Speaker 4: then I try to like come to my senses and
Speaker 4: then get back into the Word, and then the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 4: I feel like, takes me out, has me kind of
Speaker 4: like learn a little bit more spiritually before I take
Speaker 4: the next big chunk. And that's what I do with
Speaker 4: my content. Man, I feel like I'm going in and out,
Speaker 4: in and out trying to be guided best with the
Speaker 4: Holy Spirit. And that's kind of what I've been doing.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I don't know, like how you've been kind of doing
Speaker 4: with your content. Do you feel like the same way
Speaker 4: or you just been kind of going balls crazy? Men?
Speaker 1: Where I'm new to the whole thing being full time
Speaker 1: It's just like I've just been reaching out to different people,
Speaker 1: having conversations, and I've been doing some research on some
Speaker 1: deep dives of stuff myself here recently. But I've always
Speaker 1: just been a history and Bible nerd. As far as
Speaker 1: like the news and stuff like that. That's something that
Speaker 1: I honestly need to get more involved in and more
Speaker 1: up to date on because I am totally just out
Speaker 1: in the dark with that kind of stuff. I have
Speaker 1: no excuse now, so I need to do better. But
Speaker 1: I've had some good conversations with people and had some
Speaker 1: good stuff. I actually I haven't released it yet, but
Speaker 1: I did a deep dive episode, just a solo episode
Speaker 1: with me tearing apart Hollywood films and how you see
Speaker 1: Genesis six echoed through all these films. So I talked
Speaker 1: about the City of Angels. You remember that one back
Speaker 1: in the day, like nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: It does sounds Reglar Ryan Nicholas Cage and love story.
Speaker 2: And I know I followed the scene it yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a it's a retelling of Genesis six
Speaker 1: because in that story, he's an angel and he looks
Speaker 1: down and sees this beautiful woman, he falls in love
Speaker 1: with her, He falls from heaven, becomes human, and they
Speaker 1: fall in love, you know, and then she ends up dying.
Speaker 1: I think they sleep together one night and then she
Speaker 1: dies and it's taken from him. So, you know, because
Speaker 1: they even try to, I think, manipulate the viewer into
Speaker 1: being like that mean nasty god. He just loved her,
Speaker 1: he wanted to be with her, and he took her
Speaker 1: away because he's a mean, nasty god. So it's like
Speaker 1: they took Genesis six, the story from the Bible, and
Speaker 1: perverted it, you know, and tried to paint them in
Speaker 1: a favorable light. So I had a good time going
Speaker 1: through that with my you know, biblical lens and tearing
Speaker 1: that thing apart and how it was all.
Speaker 2: That's very good to do that, man, it just did.
Speaker 4: It's really it's actually, you know, it's kind of fun
Speaker 4: when it comes to that sense because you're as a
Speaker 4: constant creator. You were always looking for the next edgy
Speaker 4: thing to talk about and for you to break down
Speaker 4: with the Christian lens, things that are already recorded, and
Speaker 4: you know it's already been out into the open, right.
Speaker 4: You said it was like nineteen sixty seven when that
Speaker 4: came out, so people were ninety seven, so they've already
Speaker 4: been exposed to that. So if you go back in
Speaker 4: there and you clean up house a little bit and
Speaker 4: you're like, hold up, guys, I want you all to
Speaker 4: know that God, he's not the bad guy in the story.
Speaker 2: And that goes through amandad. It reminds me of like,
Speaker 2: I'm made.
Speaker 4: A Facebook post and it was about atheists, and I
Speaker 4: thought it was really interesting me because I always get
Speaker 4: hit by atheist skeptics and unbelievers all the time, and
Speaker 4: they always got some edgy thing to say against me
Speaker 4: and what I have to say because I'm a Christian
Speaker 4: and it's whatever at this point. But one of the
Speaker 4: things I always thought was really fascinating is that atheists
Speaker 4: always attack the Bible right, they try to discredit it all.
Speaker 4: But what I was telling them, it's like, Okay, why
Speaker 4: do you always come at this story if they're in
Speaker 4: the story, you know, with us, Shoo, dude, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm all over the place God and Satan. Like, if
Speaker 4: you tell the story of the Bible, the atheists have
Speaker 4: no problem siding with Satan in the story, even though
Speaker 4: they don't believe in the story. They have no problem
Speaker 4: believing that Satan was still the good guy when God
Speaker 4: kicked Satan out, that they had no problem believing that
Speaker 4: part of the story. It's almost like they hold on
Speaker 4: to the rebellion even though they don't believe in God.
Speaker 4: They love the rebellion side of the story every single time.
Speaker 4: And I thought that was kind of fascinating how the
Speaker 4: two kind of they're like parallel to each other. You
Speaker 4: don't even believe in the book, but if you did,
Speaker 4: your favorite part is the part where you know Satan
Speaker 4: did the worst thing possible. It's because it's the reflection.
Speaker 4: It mirrors who they are as people. And man, dude,
Speaker 4: if that's not a characteristic or a trait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the spiritual warfare, whether they realize it or not.
Speaker 1: I've talked to people and said that, you know, there's
Speaker 1: two or three things that a lot of atheists will
Speaker 1: like to throw at us to try to debunk our
Speaker 1: faith in kind of like a gotcha thing. But all
Speaker 1: the ones that they throw at us, it's because they're
Speaker 1: ignorant to the actual story and what's going on. Like,
Speaker 1: for instance, they'll say, oh, well, your God is a mean,
Speaker 1: genocidal god. He brought a flood and killed everything. In fact,
Speaker 1: your God's real I don't want no part of him
Speaker 1: because he's just a genocidal maniac. And then they'll use
Speaker 1: the cleansing of the Holy Land with Joshua and Caleb
Speaker 1: go in. He said, kill every man, woman, child, and animal.
Speaker 1: He's a genocidal maniac. And it's like, no, both of
Speaker 1: those stories have to deal with the Nephelom. The fallen
Speaker 1: angels cam down bread with the daughters of men made
Speaker 1: Nephelum giants, and it said that they were so corrupt
Speaker 1: that Abraham, I'm sorry that Moses I did it again.
Speaker 1: Noah and his family was the only ones that were
Speaker 1: to mem in Hebrew, so that means you know that
Speaker 1: that means righteous or cleans. They used that to describe
Speaker 1: the sacrificial animals. So he was the only one that
Speaker 1: his genes were not corrupted by the fallen angels. And
Speaker 1: you see that story. I don't care where you go.
Speaker 1: Every single continent, every time frame, every tongue in language,
Speaker 1: people group, they all have this story. Jesse, I bet
Speaker 1: they might call it by a different name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the flood story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember reading about the ones in China and
Speaker 4: in India, that I know for a fact they have them.
Speaker 4: They might like label it a little differently, or maybe
Speaker 4: the stories a slight different, but no matter what, it's
Speaker 4: the family. It's a giant flood, and it's a cleansing
Speaker 4: of the world every single time. That's the main emphasis. Man, dude,
Speaker 4: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: But and the gods coming down and breeding with the women,
Speaker 1: you know, you have it in the Olympus. Zeus came down
Speaker 1: bread with so many women made Nephelim hybrid. So the
Speaker 1: Naga in India came down bread with women, made another
Speaker 1: demi god race. The natives in North America called them
Speaker 1: the sky people came down and stole their women. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's everywhere, dude.
Speaker 4: I mean I remember even reading in the Book of
Speaker 4: Genesis that talks about the giants of Renown, and I
Speaker 4: believe those are the Greek gods, the mythological ones. It's
Speaker 4: like it's all there, bro, Like it's under different, you know,
Speaker 4: it looks like appears to be different categories. And to
Speaker 4: the untrained eye, they're going to look at that and
Speaker 4: be like, dude, it's totally different. It's really not. Though
Speaker 4: they're trying to almost like keep the story alive for
Speaker 4: the people like you and me and other conspiracy theorists
Speaker 4: that actually see it where you can actually have something
Speaker 4: to connect the dots historically speaking.
Speaker 2: And that's what we do. And then it's like whoa.
Speaker 4: Now the Bible even became even more trustworthy because this
Speaker 4: is the only one calling this crap out. Dude, it's yeah,
Speaker 4: And I remember too, like, yeah, at first they do threaten,
Speaker 4: they discredit the Bible because of what God being a
Speaker 4: massive killer you know, men, women and children, emphasis on
Speaker 4: their children, and they freak out about that. But I
Speaker 4: also remember that in that story, God even showed mercy
Speaker 4: or he let them, you know, like it was like,
Speaker 4: hold on, we're about to send somebody to come in
Speaker 4: and wipe you guys out. You need to be you know,
Speaker 4: you need to be changed. Repent God is always about
Speaker 4: I always feel that if I correct me, if I'm wrong,
Speaker 4: but when I read the Bible, there's always a repentance
Speaker 4: part of the story. And then then he wipes them
Speaker 4: out if it doesn't make that if they're not changing
Speaker 4: their ways. Same with Pharaoh, you harden his heart. He
Speaker 4: gave them multiple chances that eventually his heart did get
Speaker 4: hardened by God, because I felt like, my wife makes
Speaker 4: it really cool. The cool idea about it is that
Speaker 4: the reason that God even hardened Pharaoh's heart is because
Speaker 4: in the timeline, eventually there will be a converging point
Speaker 4: where you must choose yes or no, and then it
Speaker 4: will continue on. So at that point God did harden
Speaker 4: Pharaoh's heart because he was not going to change. He
Speaker 4: made it to the point of the timeline where the
Speaker 4: answer was going to be no, and God's like whatever
Speaker 4: the blog and then that all happened. So I always
Speaker 4: thought that was kind of interesting because that's another thing
Speaker 4: that a lot of skeptics like to come at me with.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, why did he he had no free will?
Speaker 4: If God hardened his heart, It's like, no, man, he
Speaker 4: had free will multiple times before that happened. And I
Speaker 4: don't know, bro, It's the Bible's a dang masterpiece, bro.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, and it's living. You didn't read it ten
Speaker 1: twenty times and not see something. But then in God's
Speaker 1: timing when you're supposed to have it, boom, it pops
Speaker 1: out to you and you catch it. And there's so
Speaker 1: much stuff that's just woven in there, and I kind
Speaker 1: of get into it with some people sometimes because I
Speaker 1: like to die again, you know, to read languages and
Speaker 1: the culture of the people, and the writings of the time,
Speaker 1: even their their mythology and legends, because it influenced their
Speaker 1: writing and their beliefs.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what you do.
Speaker 1: So but I get people tell me all the time
Speaker 1: sometimes I look too deep, or you know, the Bible's
Speaker 1: not esoteric. And then I tell them, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: why did Jesus always teach in parables?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And you know, the even the followers didn't know what
Speaker 1: he was talking about. They would come to him say, Rabbi,
Speaker 1: you know, what is the meaning of this? And he says,
Speaker 1: I speak to them in parables because the mysteries has
Speaker 1: not been given. But the mysteries have been given to you.
Speaker 1: And you still ask me, Rabbi, Rabbi, you know, Sam says,
Speaker 1: it's the glory of God to what conceal a thing.
Speaker 1: But it is the glory of kings to search things out. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it's not detrimental.
Speaker 2: To your faith.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you dig, you know you're going
Speaker 1: to find that. He says, knock, I'll answer, seek, and
Speaker 1: you shall find it's there for us. That like to
Speaker 1: dig in.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, it's purposely there for you.
Speaker 4: The ones that wanted will double double down on the
Speaker 4: research to you know, look into the exploration of it.
Speaker 4: And I one hundred percent agree with that, bro, because
Speaker 4: it's not there. It's it's it's in the open, but
Speaker 4: it's not in the open. And that's the cool thing
Speaker 4: about it. And I remember too, reading that when Jesus
Speaker 4: spoke in parables, that it was you speaking of heavenly things.
Speaker 4: You know, like these ideas are not earthly, they're not
Speaker 4: secular ideas, Like you're not going to truly conceptionalize them
Speaker 4: unless you have the spirit to break down. And he
Speaker 4: explained it to you in a knowing.
Speaker 2: With your spirit. And that's what I find to be true.
Speaker 4: Man. And like when I read the like you said too, Man,
Speaker 4: when you read the Bible, when you read the Bible
Speaker 4: at eighteen years old, it's totally different than when you're
Speaker 4: twenty eight or thirty eight, forty. It's like you've lived
Speaker 4: your life, You've got family, experienced life experience, and every
Speaker 4: time you read the Bible, a new revelation happens. And
Speaker 4: I always found that to be the coolest part about it. Man,
Speaker 4: like what we're talking about today, four months, a year
Speaker 4: from now, we're going to.
Speaker 2: Talk about it.
Speaker 4: We can literally talk about the same exact thing and
Speaker 4: be like, wow, that all was true.
Speaker 2: We did take Greenland.
Speaker 4: My gosh, you know, like whatever, but like it's very cool, man.
Speaker 4: It's this is how you know you're on the right path,
Speaker 4: because the Holy Spirit constantly wishes that you know, God
Speaker 4: doesn't wish that anyone should perish. So the more that
Speaker 4: you dig your teeth into the truth, the more that
Speaker 4: you line yourself up with the right guidance, the right direction,
Speaker 4: and you you know, you run into things like this
Speaker 4: on the podcast man.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, which I've seen on Facebook or something a
Speaker 1: while back that you was digging into the day six
Speaker 1: man and the whole Preadamite thing. It was that a
Speaker 1: rabbit hole that you've been going down here recently or
Speaker 1: is that just a post that you had found on
Speaker 1: social and was kind of sharing it out for thoughts.
Speaker 4: Let me see, I think it might have been one
Speaker 4: of those sharing it out for thoughts, because I do
Speaker 4: like to kind of throw some things out there just
Speaker 4: to see what other people are kind of where they're at.
Speaker 2: You know, Like I know it's tough.
Speaker 4: It's tough because there's not everyone's not on the same
Speaker 4: spiritual maturity. You know, some people are brand new Christians
Speaker 4: and they read stuff like that and they're like, they
Speaker 4: see it at face value, but they don't really sink
Speaker 4: their teeth into the truth of what it is. Like
Speaker 4: like you're saying, whether you know the culture, you know
Speaker 4: the background of why they might have said those things.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find out where that one is. Though
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I think it was. It might have been a month
Speaker 1: or two ago, but I had commented on it because
Speaker 1: I had recently found some stuff that blew my mind.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'd read this book my entire life
Speaker 1: and had my assumptions and thought I had stuff figured out.
Speaker 1: But then, like you said, forty hits, and I start
Speaker 1: reading it and I start seeing other stuff that it
Speaker 1: hit like me, I believe firmly at this point, uh,
Speaker 1: that where it talks about the creation of man, you know,
Speaker 1: in day six, Yes, and then afterwards it describes Adam
Speaker 1: and Eve. I was always taught that that's a re
Speaker 1: examination of the same story. They're just telling it more detail,
Speaker 1: and it made sense to me. But then once I
Speaker 1: actually got to read it for myself. If you go
Speaker 1: back and you read that, it gives you the account
Speaker 1: of day six and then it goes to Adam and Eve.
Speaker 1: But it says that, you know, he pitched the clay
Speaker 1: from the ground and created Adam. You know, he was
Speaker 1: a lifeless being until he breathed the of life into him.
Speaker 1: But it says that he done all these things before
Speaker 1: there was any vegetation on the ground. Vegetation was laid
Speaker 1: out on day three.
Speaker 4: Yes, so it wasn't even like really it was there,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't there for him to consume.
Speaker 1: And see, I think that I tell people because scripture
Speaker 1: tells you that Adam is a bene high Elohim. He
Speaker 1: is a son of God. And the New Testament tells us,
Speaker 1: you know, that if we do we run the good
Speaker 1: race and do what we need to do, then we
Speaker 1: can become benehi Elohems. And I'm a Divine Council guy
Speaker 1: from Mike Heiser, you know, he talks about how that
Speaker 1: word alohem in Genesis where it says the Eloheim you know,
Speaker 1: said let there be light, you know, and the Eloheim said,
Speaker 1: let us create man in our image. That it was plural.
Speaker 1: It was a divine council. But there's one supreme creator God.
Speaker 1: You know that's yahweh.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: But I tell people I wonder because scripture says, you
Speaker 1: know that Adam was a bene high Elohem. The Book
Speaker 1: of Job tells us, you know, he says, where were
Speaker 1: you when I hung the stars and done this and
Speaker 1: done that? You know, he said when the morning stars
Speaker 1: the boneha Eloheim saying for joy at the sight of creation.
Speaker 1: So it says that they were there watching creation. So yes,
Speaker 1: and we see that Adam was made before there was
Speaker 1: any vegetation on the ground. We don't know when, it's
Speaker 1: just before and that was day three. So I postulate
Speaker 1: to some people, I'm like, very interesting if Adam was
Speaker 1: one of those beneh Eloheim, if he was on the
Speaker 1: divine council, yes, you know, I mean kind of helped,
Speaker 1: he volunteered God with creation.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean it's very possible, man, because
Speaker 4: the more I read into it, I understand that there
Speaker 4: is a a one, there's a hierarchy, and there is
Speaker 4: a spiritual council. It's very similar to like even how
Speaker 4: God explains like courtrooms and a judge and there's like
Speaker 4: a journey, like you're watching the trials right the end game,
Speaker 4: Like there's there's a lot of heavenly things that are
Speaker 4: here on Earth, and I believe that's one of them.
Speaker 4: I believe there is a council for the universe. I
Speaker 4: believe that Satan at one point his whole job was
Speaker 4: to be one to test God's creation, to go to
Speaker 4: and fro from Earth or other planets or wherever he
Speaker 4: was doing, wherever creation was. He would test creation to
Speaker 4: the highest standard, which was God's standard. And that's why
Speaker 4: when he fell. And this is interesting, Bro. When I
Speaker 4: got on that podcast with Gay Piro, he was telling
Speaker 4: me that he saw some pretty interesting stuff with it. Bro.
Speaker 4: He told me that he was able to jump timelines
Speaker 4: and be able to see creation, and it blew my
Speaker 4: mind on this part. Bro, he told me that, And
Speaker 4: it's crazy because, like, I'm a big science guy, but
Speaker 4: I'm also a Christian. I love the Bible, so it's
Speaker 4: interesting when people bring it together in another light. I'm like, oh, revelation.
Speaker 4: But he was saying that the reason, you know, when
Speaker 4: God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was formless,
Speaker 4: shapeless in the void, right. It was just a mass
Speaker 4: of basically water just chilling there and the world everywhere
Speaker 4: else was in utter darkness until God showed his face
Speaker 4: upon the depths and separated light from dark. But where
Speaker 4: did that darkness come from? Where did it come from?
Speaker 4: The whole thing is that he was telling me that
Speaker 4: there was a spiritual battle that was happening in heaven
Speaker 4: and when Satan fell, he didn't just fall to the Earth.
Speaker 4: Instead he created a complete utter destruction to the entire
Speaker 4: universe was in utter darkness, and that's where God came
Speaker 4: over found Earth, which explains why the universe is fourteen
Speaker 4: billion years older. Is like, they like to claim that
Speaker 4: and Earth is four billion years old. Well, how is
Speaker 4: the universe so old and the Earth is so new?
Speaker 4: Well there's you know, there's a math to that, and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of science to that. But the idea
Speaker 4: here is the universe did already previously was established, except
Speaker 4: it went into dark, utter chaos because when Satan fell
Speaker 4: and then the Earth, God showed his face upon it
Speaker 4: and then decided to do creation. So Satan was wandering
Speaker 4: around the universe. Where's God where it happened? I know
Speaker 4: he must be doing something and the last thing I
Speaker 4: remember is he was going to create us and that
Speaker 4: bothered him, so he was I almost think of that
Speaker 4: almost like a like a Marvel calm, right, like he's
Speaker 4: yelling through the universe, Yeah, like where did he put them?
Speaker 2: And then he finds us and he's like, how do
Speaker 2: I get to them?
Speaker 4: Now? I need to be clever like a snake serpent,
Speaker 4: and I need to deceive the woman who because he
Speaker 4: knew the God's plan. So this is the other part
Speaker 4: that's pretty crazy. Ma I don't gonna speak too much,
Speaker 4: but when he was when Satan was deceiving the scepter,
Speaker 4: he deceived Eve. But the reason he did it where
Speaker 4: he did it and made her eat of the fruit
Speaker 4: of the knowledge of good and evil. Right. The reason
Speaker 4: that all happened, though, is because at one point when
Speaker 4: God created earth and he created Adam and even put
Speaker 4: them in the garden, that was a This is Gabe's
Speaker 4: like what he saw in the timeline. He said he
Speaker 4: saw God because in the Bible Genesis, this is that
Speaker 4: Adam come here the footsteps of God. Right, So that
Speaker 4: means he must be really very close and intimate with
Speaker 4: how close he really was in the premise of the
Speaker 4: premise of where he was.
Speaker 2: So anyway he was.
Speaker 4: Able to see God eat of the fruit of the
Speaker 4: knowledge of good and evil. God was able to do it,
Speaker 4: and he had Adam sit down and Eve sit down,
Speaker 4: and he would eat of it and share with them
Speaker 4: the knowledge of everything that he was doing. But the
Speaker 4: thing was is that he used it through the filter
Speaker 4: of God himself, right, so it was easy for them
Speaker 4: to digest. It was safe for them to understand God's goodness.
Speaker 4: And that was a very intimate place. It was almost
Speaker 4: like a church. Right, these are my two creations. I
Speaker 4: love you guys so much. Let me tell you some
Speaker 4: more about what I've done, but with me explaining it.
Speaker 4: So when Satan came in, he went to the most
Speaker 4: sacred place. He went to the tree of knowledge of
Speaker 4: good and evil and asked Eve because she knew about it,
Speaker 4: because she was learning from God and her husband. But
Speaker 4: still she was deceived and decided to eat of it.
Speaker 4: So it ruined everything. The intimacy. What is the next
Speaker 4: thing happen? The next thing happens is where Adam and
Speaker 4: Eve leave? And then God's like, where are you? But
Speaker 4: God knows everything. God knew exactly where Adam was well,
Speaker 4: he felt Adam leave spiritually where are you? Spiritually? We
Speaker 4: were walking together, I was teaching you things, son, I
Speaker 4: love you. What happens to our relationship? And and Gay
Speaker 4: believes that during that time, if Adam would have came
Speaker 4: back to God and repented for what he's done, God
Speaker 4: could have fixed everything. But the fact that the man
Speaker 4: he hid and then he didn't want to even stand
Speaker 4: before God for forgiveness.
Speaker 2: He was just like, all right, I'm leaving, blaim the
Speaker 2: woman gave me.
Speaker 1: Well, even blame God, you remember, because he said the
Speaker 1: woman that you.
Speaker 2: Gave me gave me.
Speaker 4: His mindset was already twisted, bro. So it already goes
Speaker 4: to show like this was the fall. The fall of
Speaker 4: man happened, you know, quite before a lot of that
Speaker 4: because it was a mental game.
Speaker 2: That really is what did it? Man?
Speaker 4: He played into them very unfortunately, very nicely, and it
Speaker 4: worked very well and has been killing a lot of
Speaker 4: people ever since.
Speaker 2: But I thought that was people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it is, and what you were describing is
Speaker 1: and I've done some shows on it with people the
Speaker 1: gap theory, and they say that there's this huge gap
Speaker 1: of time they believe where he says, you know, let
Speaker 1: there be light, and he created the heavens and the ears,
Speaker 1: and then they think there's this great, big pause. You know,
Speaker 1: it could been thousands, millions of years whatever, but there's
Speaker 1: this gap, and then there's this rebellion in heaven in
Speaker 1: this fight because when it gets to where He you know, creates.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the Hebrew word, but it was what
Speaker 1: was it now, I can't remember. I'm going to butcher it.
Speaker 1: But the Hebrew word means to re establish or re create, Okay,
Speaker 1: So they're saying, oh, he's recreating it, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think it's Isaiah says that God makes nothing void. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to toe who by bo who, that's it. They call
Speaker 1: it void.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what.
Speaker 4: Gabe was telling me bro on the podcast. But God
Speaker 4: doesn't create anything in nothing that there's always a reason
Speaker 4: behind it.
Speaker 2: So Dan, dude, that's crazy, dude, That's exactly what he said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when I talk about it in my book,
Speaker 1: I believe in the ancients did too. You read all
Speaker 1: the legends and the extra Biblical books. It all kind
Speaker 1: of coincides with it. Like Ezekiel twenty eight that I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. You know, it's pretty unanimous that everybody believes
Speaker 1: that they're talking about Satan. And in there it says,
Speaker 1: every precious stone was your covering. Yes, and he says
Speaker 1: barrel onyx, topaz jasper, he names all these stones. The
Speaker 1: Masoretic texts lists nine, but the Septuagen lists twelve. Well,
Speaker 1: this is a carbon copy polaroid picture of the priestley
Speaker 1: E fought, So it's painting Satan in a priestly role.
Speaker 1: And then after that it says, and you defiled your sanctuaries,
Speaker 1: So it paints him in a priestly roll. It says
Speaker 1: he has a sanctuary, but he defiled it. The ancious
Speaker 1: believed that the coverings that was given to Adam was
Speaker 1: the skins or coverings of the nakash, and that's the
Speaker 1: word in Hebrew for serpent. It camming serpent, but can
Speaker 1: also mean the shining one or the one who practices divination.
Speaker 1: So they believe that at the fall, Satan was stripped
Speaker 1: of his priestly position and dominion that he had, and
Speaker 1: his garment, his robe, his coverings was given to Adam,
Speaker 1: and that's why Adam was given dominion over earth. And
Speaker 1: all the rabbis trace their beginnings back to Adam that
Speaker 1: he was the first king and priest over all creation.
Speaker 1: So that was pretty wild.
Speaker 4: The parallel to that isn't real. Damn man, I got
Speaker 4: to look into that one. That sounds super deep. So
Speaker 4: they're literally trying to reflect what Adam has already been
Speaker 4: given dominion, you know, by the world, that he had
Speaker 4: the dominion over the world because Satan basically lost his role.
Speaker 4: It's like a lost your position, buddy, You're going to
Speaker 4: give it to the next guy. And that's where we
Speaker 4: had at Manday.
Speaker 1: It's a mirror image of the prodigal Son, I think,
Speaker 1: because if you look at the prodigal son, there's an
Speaker 1: elder son right like, look you go back to job
Speaker 1: like I was talking about, they were there at the
Speaker 1: side of creation and there are sons of God. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about a family. Here we are the younger brother,
Speaker 1: the angelic racet, you know, including Satan. The Nakash is
Speaker 1: our elder other, the parable of the prodigal son, and
Speaker 1: all the stories man God Jacob and esau Cain and Abel.
Speaker 1: God always favors the younger son, and that's us. It's
Speaker 1: telling the over all these little stories, these microcosms are
Speaker 1: telling the big overall story of us, our story and
Speaker 1: our struggle, our fight in the family of God against
Speaker 1: our elder brother, the angelic race. And so when you
Speaker 1: get to that parable of the prodigal son, yep, the
Speaker 1: son leaves, squanders the money, and the inheritance comes back,
Speaker 1: but the father welcomes him back with open arms, and
Speaker 1: the older brother's pissed.
Speaker 4: Yep, And they say, remember right, the father even put
Speaker 4: on the robe over the son, didn't he He took him.
Speaker 1: A robe of authority and a signet ring of authority.
Speaker 1: I said, that's Satan, folks, that's the angelic host.
Speaker 2: Dang, that's deep, bro. This is why the Bible is
Speaker 2: so perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome, dude, it is, dude.
Speaker 4: It's so many hyperlinks. That's why I love you. Ever
Speaker 4: see that little the little chart with all the hyper lynxes,
Speaker 4: like three hundred thousand of them, It's like it's a
Speaker 4: possible bro forty authorsteen hundred years. Naw, they didn't know
Speaker 4: it was God. But man, dude, that's really good. That's
Speaker 4: a good find. That is a really good fine. I
Speaker 4: gotta look more into that myself. I might have to
Speaker 4: make a post on that one.
Speaker 1: I'll get your address, man, and I'll send you a
Speaker 1: copy of my book. I talk about all that stuff
Speaker 1: in my book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, dude, I've actually seen you.
Speaker 4: You drop that, man, you were doing some book signings
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, right, and it's a Esau, right,
Speaker 4: it was, Yeah, the epic of Esau. There was the
Speaker 4: epoch of Esau. Dude, So good that you did that. Man,
Speaker 4: It's cool that you're you for me. It's like, do
Speaker 4: you have a degree or anything in this.
Speaker 1: No, I'm a good old boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, hey, nothing wrong with that rope me too.
Speaker 4: But like I think a lot of people assume that
Speaker 4: you have to have all of these different degrees to
Speaker 4: be able to just be fascinated with something because I
Speaker 4: feel like when someone like you you do it right,
Speaker 4: like you love it, and so would somebody I'm sure
Speaker 4: that's a biblical scholar would love to research this stuff too.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of like.
Speaker 4: An overarching umbrella turn But who's going to study that
Speaker 4: specific thing harder than you? You know, and you are
Speaker 4: you are the what do they call it, like a
Speaker 4: specialist in that particular category. So when you when you
Speaker 4: were able to tie it together, not everyone's going to
Speaker 4: be pray. It's like a Dan McCallan or something like that,
Speaker 4: or a Wes Huff. I love west Huff. I think
Speaker 4: he does really a really good job. But I do
Speaker 4: feel like he's more overarching, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He's good in a lot of different things, different fragmental
Speaker 4: pieces of the pop hyras you know, p. Fifty two,
Speaker 4: And he's really good at all that information, but you're
Speaker 4: really good at breaking down the correlation between the two.
Speaker 2: And I like the way you break it down, like
Speaker 2: you just did it.
Speaker 4: You made it simple, something complex, tied it all together
Speaker 4: and simplified it. And I think that's what the world needs, man,
Speaker 4: especially when we all read it a fifth grade reading level. Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: as simple as possible, but as impactful as God would
Speaker 4: want it to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm a big fan of Michael Heiser, and he
Speaker 1: was a scholar, but he actually dumbed things down a
Speaker 1: whole lot and explained him to where simple people like
Speaker 1: us could understand it. And he used to jokingly say,
Speaker 1: he said, well, I guess I'm just the gand off
Speaker 1: of this story. He said. I take the knowledge, you know,
Speaker 1: he said, and bring it to middle Earth and deliver
Speaker 1: it to you guys. You know. So I tell people
Speaker 1: I love this nerdy stuff and I'm forty year old,
Speaker 1: barely graduated twelfth grade and that was twenty years ago, folks.
Speaker 1: I'm no rocket scientist. I must see plus average guy.
Speaker 1: But when you find something you love, man, you just
Speaker 1: latch onto it. And that's what I've done. So then
Speaker 1: I like looking into it and talking about it. So
Speaker 1: people that tune into my show and my social media
Speaker 1: is and I explain these things, that's I hear a lot.
Speaker 1: They're like, man, I love how you break this stuff
Speaker 1: down so simple that I can understand it. And I'm like, yep,
Speaker 1: I'm the redneck Rosetta Stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love.
Speaker 4: I really do like your content a lot, man, which
Speaker 4: reminds me of the people that didn't like your content.
Speaker 4: I saw that posts that these people were gonna be
Speaker 4: on your podcast, and they were like, you said, two
Speaker 4: shiny Polish Christians, and that I feel like hurts. So
Speaker 4: I don't mean to switch the topic so harsh like that,
Speaker 4: but it's kind of like, I like the way that
Speaker 4: you break it down, man, and I think if you're
Speaker 4: going to talk about the Bible, I want to see
Speaker 4: the grit. I want to see the blood, sweat and tears.
Speaker 4: I want to know what I'm saved from. You know, like,
Speaker 4: who is this satan? What did he really do? What
Speaker 4: was his strategy? People don't like even like saying the name.
Speaker 4: It's like saying Voldemort or something like, Dude, you don't
Speaker 4: even know the enemy. You don't even know the tactics
Speaker 4: that he's doing. If you don't know him, dude, you're
Speaker 4: probably falling for every one.
Speaker 2: Of his traps. You don't even know it end up.
Speaker 4: Man, So like when I man, when I get those
Speaker 4: kind of godly people, the righteous ones, is yeah, it's
Speaker 4: so hard for me to like really wrap my head
Speaker 4: around it. I'm like, how deep are you planning on
Speaker 4: getting here? Are you doing this for book sales? Please
Speaker 4: don't be doing it for book sales, you know, Like
Speaker 4: I hope we're like we're trying to really talk about
Speaker 4: the gospel of Jesus Christ, and it's already hard enough
Speaker 4: to do that. You know, I don't want to feel
Speaker 4: like there's gatekeeping involved or there's walls to climb over
Speaker 4: being a Christian and simply if I were to just
Speaker 4: use my platform and talk about the god spool solely.
Speaker 2: That's already enough effort, Bro. It's it's tough. That is
Speaker 2: a day, that is a lifetime worth of work.
Speaker 4: And if people are not on your side to help
Speaker 4: you promote and go, you know, you got a different branch, bro,
Speaker 4: you got a different type of audience. It's a very unique,
Speaker 4: very in depth I would feel audience.
Speaker 2: So that's why that's what I get out of you. Man,
Speaker 2: And I watch you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate kind of like a blurry creatures a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know you ever watch them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really good stuff too.
Speaker 4: Man, and you guys are like my two favorites when
Speaker 4: it comes to that in Demon Erasers if you.
Speaker 2: Ever watched that vibe too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and Brian are real good friends. He actually
Speaker 1: made my new logo I love Brian to death. I'm
Speaker 1: actually going to California to record with a guy named
Speaker 1: Apollo in May, and he was like, Man, you need
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